City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Pease Restoration Advisory Board (RAB), 26 Jan 2023

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1.24.2023 Pease RAB

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Welcome everyone um I'm on a ferguson. This is the peas restoration, advisory board meeting. We.

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Are in a hybrid meeting we have- maybe I don't know 20 or so people in the room and some.

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People attending online as well. um We have a two-hour meeting. We hope that everyone got a.

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Chance to watch the technical presentation, either in advanced lab members, as we sent it to you or.

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um In the last hour and a half and we're going to start with just a little bit of technical detail,.

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Of how this whole thing is going to work, and then we will jump into content in a few minutes. Cameron.

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Yes, thank you. Everyone, I'm cameron, hager, I'm part of the consensus building institute and.

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Cosilitating this meeting so just to talk about the hybrid technology in the room.

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um If you are online, you have to bear these simple setup. uh What we'll ask you do is if.

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You are a panelist feel free to raise your virtual hand, which you can find under at the.

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Bottom of your toolbar there and feel free to use the chat as it's open to you as panelists. If you.

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Are a member of the public and your attendee? You should just have a raised hand. Button at.

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The bottom, which we'll do once we reach the public comment period for any members of the.

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Public in the room, we would just ask you that, uh when you're ready to give public comment.

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um Raise your hand- and you can sit next to me just so- that the microphone the room can hear you for.

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The virtual members and other than that uh it's a fairly straightforward meeting from there if there.

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Are any questions just feel free to? Let me know, thank you cameron. We have a two-hour conversation.

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Tonight we're going to do just a little bit of committee business and then we're going to jump.

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Into open discussion with rad members, um it's an opportunity to talk with a technical team about.

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Any and all of the presentations or other project issues and then we'll get an update from brian.

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Goetz, the municipal water update that we often do for a few minutes, and then we have public comments.

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And we will wrap up around 8 o'clock questions about the agenda. Oh all, right. um I would like to.

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Let's do quick sorry, I haven't been in this room in like three years doing this. I know somebody.

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Who are here in may, um let's do just quick introductions in the room so that everybody.

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Can hear and see who is present and then those of you who are on zoom can see the names of the.

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Panelists that way too, um let's go around the table and at the table is technical team and.

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Rad members and if you can just say where you fall and all of that uh jared sheen rap member.

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For abuse development, I've already managed there and environmental management program.

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Running goods, city of portsmouth and these water system, operations, manager and al pratt.

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Our water resources majors here with me, he's the one that's going to provide the update.

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Sammy I'm a newington resident peter standing on the new hampshire department of environmental.

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Services, project manager, hank and dulcik I'm the project. I do dealership fees with wsp.

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And maddie dinsmore, I am a project chemist with wsb, I'm amy benson, I'm an email press.

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Confessor with wsd grant austin project manager on the plant side of things for wsb.

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Andrea amico worked with president on the fees, rap cameron, eggert, facilitator and.

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I'm frisking the air force beg which is a brag environmental coordinator for peace.

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And I think it's gonna be tough to hear on the owl, but just so we know who's in the room. I'm actually.

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So if you can speak loudly, there's a chance, they can hear you on scene, just name an affiliation.

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A several mcdonald's.

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Also with ecc entric gabriel, with ecc entricola, gcc lauren tierney, with wsb uh wsb, brandon shaw.

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From wsb what I'm saying, I got a usp al pratt: more resource management, portland thanks everyone. um We.

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Are um should we introduce the people? Do you want to introduce? Do you want to run through the names.

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I know they can't all other people, virtual yeah, sure thing uh mike daley. If you want to go ahead.

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Yeah mike daley here um epa project manager- I'm sorry, I'm not there tonight, uh working.

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On getting some kinks out of my back but um uh glad to be here tonight, um cycle don here.

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Good evening uh nice to be with you again, and uh I must say I miss uh linda geisinger,.

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Who did such a great job over the years working on this.

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Dante galt.

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Hi everybody, I'm danteagle public affairs support contractor with the air force.

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Matthew casey.

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Yep hi everybody, I'm matt casey, I'm the environmental manager for.

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Pez air national guard base um good to see everybody virtually.

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Good to see you, I actually want to ask rad members: if you're on virtually, can you please.

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Turn on your cameras, it gives us the best chance to pretend we're all in the same space.

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If it works, I know it doesn't always work for everybody all the time. Thank you, uh kim mcnamara.

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Kim are you there.

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She's, pending a pet also, I know I'm something going on at her house and christina harvey.

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Hey good evening, everyone, I am with dod the office of secretary of defense, glad to be here.

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That's everyone there, great thanks. Everyone um rab members we'd like to approve the.

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Last meeting summary, we didn't hear any concerns about it, but now's your chance.

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We will post it as approved. Thank you all.

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um And I want to just give a very brief update on membership, because every year right around the new.

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Year we do a check-in with all the rad members to ask rob members serve two-year terms. They're.

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Renewable so at the end of each person's two-year term, we check in with them about whether they want.

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To keep serving that's where we have community seats, and then we also have some appointed seats.

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So the pointed seats they keep their appointments welfare for as long as they want. um We have had.

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Four round members step down in the last month or two joan hamlet, mindy, besmer, ted, connors and gene.

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Schrager want to thank all of them so much for their time and attention and service on this board.

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um And we will post, we made a post and updated membership list, but we will do that.

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um As and when the co-chairs, andrea and chris review, the applicants applications we received and.

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They have the decision making power together to approve band members and we'll come back and let.

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You know kind of what the decision is and who our new members are before the next meeting or at the.

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Next meeting, so that is update on that and we'll kind of update things on the website. Accordingly,.

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Questions on any of the membership stuff.

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And you're gonna check the virtual steps yeah right, so this will be my last official meeting.

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What um I'm going to turn it over to mr pratt, who has attended these meetings uh tirelessly himself.

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um I'm not going away it's just al will take over as the representative. Thank you.

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I'm remaining director of water city, but uh seven years I was looking back. When did this start so.

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um 2016 was the first meeting. That's right. Thank you for letting us know welcome we're.

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Happy to have you apprecially officially all right, I think that's all the business.

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um In a minute, we're going to go to open discussion where our members can raise any.

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And all questions comments, thoughts, we're gonna actually give the floor to chris king for a few.

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Minutes to give a little bit of updated news, yes, and if you could share the slide, the slide.

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About the national defense authorization act in 2023, it was just recently updated. As of today. I.

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Know during the presentation I know that may that slide may have driven. You know drawn something you.

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Know if it's confusion, maybe it was missing some information that we wanted to go ahead and update.

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And share with the group, so maybe you're, you know to kind of lead us into the open discussion.

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um What what wasn't said in the slide before are basically the two bottom bullets that have been.

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Recently added so um as it was spoken on the slide that may have been confusing, we we absolutely.

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Can michelle wilson, you know well sampling results with her, but other other data as well.

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um This information, you know just the sample results themselves- are not personally identifiable.

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Information that pii personal identification for personally identifying information includes.

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The name of the physical address of the sampling location, whether that be soil or.

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Water well or any other type of media like, but the backyard proof is that you're all familiar with.

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um So we cannot share that without the private property owner's consent.

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From two days, we don't have consent from most property owners, we're going to be looking to.

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Possibly get that via you know, alternative means, but right now we do not have that data. So we are.

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Restricted from sharing that pii exclusively um right now, the dod is discussing the best way to.

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Proceed, we will share more information and with you about that data and all can be shared when.

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It's available right now. The dod is there. Are discussions are being made at a very high level.

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And it's not just to affect peace, but that do basically a dod wide decision so that we're.

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All consistent throughout all the services in the air force, navy, etc, and so with that I would like.

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To just kick it open, then open discussions for the red members. If you have any questions, please.

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Ask away and so rob those of you in the room and I want to I do apologize. I had been asked to give.

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Them, ms mckenna, if you wanted to jump in from senator shaheen's office, if you had anything that.

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You wanted to hold, which has to give you a moment or so to respond to the new well david slider.

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And you should be allowed to talk man great. Can you hear me? Okay,.

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Awesome yeah! Well thanks chris, for that update um to the slide uh I'll I'll just share a quick.

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Background too, on our end, when we saw the slides um that you shared with us a couple weeks ago,.

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We immediately jumped right on that to reach out to the air force because, as you all know,.

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When we were informed of the ndaa change from last year, senator shaheen worked really closely.

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With a number of stakeholders, new hampshire des and the air force, to make sure that we could.

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Come to a resolution on this, and we were told that this language would work.

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um So we we're definitely glad to see that um that it's been updated as of today.

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um And we're just we'll continue to make sure that this is uh works for the community in.

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Peace and that the air force continues to work with new hampshire des and the.

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Community members on the wrap to make sure that folks um are getting the data that they need.

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And information that they need to make sure that this you know that this is successful.

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Great, thank you very much. Okay. So logistically, if you're in the room- and you want to speak, you.

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Can put your card up um and I can make sure you get in the queue and if you're, virtual panelists.

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Committee members, you can put your virtual hand up and cameron will make sure we get.

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You into the discussion and I see andrea's card, so let's start there sure. um Thank you very much.

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For the update chris and elizabeth, also for your comments and for senator shaking's work on this.

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um You know, I guess for me, it seems like we're moving in the right direction in terms of getting.

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The dod to be able to share more data with the community. I also recognize the privacy.

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Concerns- and you know, people not wanting their personal information out there, but I think we.

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Need to strike the balance of being able to share information with the community, so we can better.

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Understand the contamination in our communities and for us to meaningful be able to meaningfully.

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Engage in this process, we need to be able to see more data. You know, so I hope that again.

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This slide is better than the first live. That was in the presentation, um and I just hope that we can.

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Continue to work together to find a resolution that does protect people's privacy, while also.

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Sharing meaningful information with the community, so we can engage in this process in a way that.

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Feels helpful and feels like we truly understand what contamination is being found and where, in our.

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Own communities, because that's really important to the process for sure and with that um amy, do you.

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Have access to that graphic? Yes, the map? Yes, sir, and so along those lines of andrea, so we've come.

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Up with a graphic oriented that we can share with everybody in a way that does protect pii and we.

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Like to display that for the group just to figure everybody an idea how this data is being displayed.

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They're with us bear with me for some reason: a media is not sharing about my share because.

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All right, so in this graphic, if you can zoom out just because yeah start it all off.

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So you can see that this is all of our. You can't see the legend. This is all groundwater.

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Data in and around the former base, so as you as, as you know, what is currently former peas.

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Is all currently occupied and managed by the fish and wildlife service, national guard and.

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The pda, those are non-restricted data points and so you'll see we in this graphic. Once it comes.

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Online as you'll see that we can display full google earth overlays, along with the data and.

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Then beyond what is the formal basis? What really encompasses you know, mixed private lands and such.

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Like that, so then we kind of we went with the we call it great up, but it's really more pinkish.

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Depiction of those locations so that this way we're protecting that pii, you can see generally.

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Where the samples are taken, but you can't necessarily attribute it with any one, private.

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Landlord and so along with this, this also presents the data in a color-coded format, so you can see.

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Basically, the ranges of exceedances where they're on it, you know, based on the color, so.

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The darker, the color, are generally the greater the exceedings. You can see sighting where it's.

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All black, that's obviously a hot spot, that's a major source area right there and then from.

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There, the colors tend to become less and less going towards green, where they're pretty much.

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Not necessarily not detect, but underneath the rsls from the hidden chemical that this map will depend.

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So you can see this is this provides a lot of information in it over the entire payment.

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Cell and uh this is the type of graphic that we're looking to be able to share.

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Once again, once all the data is finally approved and ready to go.

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Yes, can I ask the follow-up question on this topic? um I know in the past this was.

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Impacting new hampshire des ability to receive information will any of this change or solve.

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That issue for dds and is this presenting challenges for you to do your job, peter.

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I'm still a little unclear exactly on what it is that I will be allowed to receive. um So is it true.

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That I will be getting rejected reports you'll, be getting graphics like this. That are, you know that.

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Are sort of characters? Yes, uh I really can't see that so yeah, that's it's a large field of paper.

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That could make a better determination. um You know from understanding this like conceptual model and.

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The distribution of contaminants discodes: this is a step in the right direction. For me to be able.

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To evaluate that and and perform those duties, this doesn't by being withheld of the actual.

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Property addresses and property owners, those are actually requirements of our own environmental.

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Contaminated management rules, where we're supposed to be notified of exceedances on some of the.

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Property within 24 hours, for injecting water, for instance, so that we can serve those properties.

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And one question I have is I understand: what's been uh sent down to us is that the dod is no.

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Longer uh seeking to reach agreements for sharing data with individual states is that the case.

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I don't know if anybody online that can answer that right. What I know is that.

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um Yeah we currently do not have an agreement in place at the state and I don't believe one's.

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Being pursued at this moment and at least by the air force yeah and the way the way I was.

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It was explained to me earlier was that that was an avenue that the state could pursue with dod.

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uh To reach an agreement where data wouldn't be shared publicly, but the state would would.

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Be receiving those, uh but those agreements were pulled back or withheld and I'm just.

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Curious, if that's something that would be, uh could change moving forward so that we could.

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Receive the completely unredacted data or not yeah, I wish I could answer that as an osd level.

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Question that's right, but my ability to answer that would be the most ideal for me personally.

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If the, if, if the laws as they are written, uh prevent the public from getting full disclosure.

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On on the pii, then, I would hope that we could reach an agreement with dod so that we can.

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I get all the information that we need to to be able to serve the people of new hampshire.

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To uh I see christina harvey, raise your hand, do you want? Do you have a point to answer that.

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Christina I just wanted to yep. I just wanted to address some of the the questions that.

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The gentleman had asked with regards to state agreements, um so we are at the osd level. uh We.

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Had looked into doing state-specific agreements, what we found is that many of the states don't.

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Afford the same protections to pii that federal entities do so, whereas dod was able to enter.

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Into a memorandum of understanding with epa and at other federal agencies, they are required to.

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Manage pii information and data in a very specific way, the states don't necessarily not all states.

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Necessarily have those same protections for pii. So that's why we have advised, as a generality, to not.

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um To not assume or fall back on on that type of approach. Now what we are looking.

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To do and what we're trying to explore are different opportunities that we can still.

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um Share the information, um even specific information by um talking with homeowners.

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um Especially in in certain locations where the state is offering um the resources, if, if levels.

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Are above a certain a certain threshold, we are providing the opportunity for homeowners to to.

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Share their pii with the state, we are looking at those options and what we can do to help share.

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And facilitate the information with the states, we really do want to provide as much information.

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As is as necessary, so that um not only we can show all the efforts that we've done, but that.

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Regulators and our partners, our stakeholders, can uh to can really get confidence and understand.

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What they're looking at and what data has been collected, so there is more to come and we will.

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Try to provide those updates through each of the rabs in each of the installations.

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Other so ride members. This is your chance to continue this conversation and also.

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To ask questions about any of the typical presentations or any of the information in.

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The newsletters that chris has been putting out every month. What do you want to know what didn't.

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You quite understand this is highly technical. It's expected that not everybody has the same.

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Types of expertise, so if you have a question, probably other people have the same questions.

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So, just basically um is that I assume the raw data will be provided as much as possible at some point.

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Yeah the dod is working on that to clarify some things in that, like I said, they're trying to get.

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Their hands wrapped around at the eye issues and how to properly uh you know and uniformly display.

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That you know throughout all the real threats, so in terms of mapping, there was a pink area.

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That, in terms of the raw data, that would be like uh rejected in terms of just being a generalized.

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Area like north newington, something like that yeah there exists or the final nature of it is.

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Still to be determined or working on that, but yes that, like I said that data from the samples is not.

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Pii in and of itself, and so it can and we will be sure, that's the format and everything is finalized.

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Brian go ahead so um as far as the usefulness of the data um is monitoring, continuing are people.

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Dropping off, or are you still monitoring quarterly annually on the presidential wells and residential.

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Wells are all monitored on a certain on a program depending on either semi-annual or annually.

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Depending on the level and what systems are in place and all that, but yes, they are continually.

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Monitored: okay, the ri is obviously in southlands, coming to a close for the ri, but that's not to say.

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That monitoring is not going to continue in the future, especially when the feasibility study comes.

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Along it's going to be a big part of it still and yeah. The private private wells are well monitored.

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We have a hand for meg down here mike, go ahead.

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Mike donahue, you want to unmute.

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Sorry for the delay, um but it's really nothing compared to the way this um particular issue.

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Has been handled, I've been on the rep for four years. I make these comments really for the public.

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I'm not going to say anything to the air force that they haven't already heard.

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um This is, this is continues to be extremely disappointing and you know.

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In going through the slides in preparation for this meeting, um I found the information to be.

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um Difficult to relate we're right to be had the opportunity to speak with citizens of newington to.

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Assure them that the air force was doing the best job they could on this project and was actively.

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Seeking to address it, this lack of information leaves us as ineffective advisors to you. We're.

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We've been in this since the beginning, with one arm tied behind our back into here tonight that.

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It's moved over so that our state officials, who many times at these meetings we've looked.

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To to provide uh an independent uh judgment on some of these issues,.

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To learn that they don't have the information they need and can't get it, and uh you know it. It's.

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It's great that christina mentioned. You know going back to the uh um to the individuals whose consent.

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You need, uh but that's an idea that was I I I put it forward four years ago,.

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To be here today, I I I'm inclined to say we should continue this meeting until we can get.

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Graphic information that provides information about what is the extent of the contamination.

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In newington, that's what this affects it affects it. It all relates to newington in.

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This particular case, because that's where the private landowners are.

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It's worse than they had in the sense that the state of new hampshire isn't.

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Able to get the information that they need that they require of every other site.

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That they deal with I've represented site owners, I've represented municipalities, it's.

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Impossible to participate in this process with without more openness about this information.

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Thank you. I appreciate that you'll, you know, provide a form for me to say that.

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But I I I've discouraged and disappointed that that's what I that's, what I'm here saying again.

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Thanks and you know, change slides at the last minute.

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And and tell us I I mean I, I haven't even been able to read this slide. The.

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New slide, but I'm having heard the comments about it, it clearly doesn't solve anything.

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Foreign, I just yeah. I just had a follow-up question to this information so like.

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We know that the epa is in the process of setting new advisories for pfoa and campos.

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So I just want to make sure I understand: should those levels get set much lower.

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Which we anticipate that they will and the air force has tested private wells that they.

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Won't share that information with des like how can we be sure that residents who may.

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Have exceedances once the new mcls are set? How can we be sure that those homes will.

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Be intervened on, how can we be sure that des is going to know about them? How do we even know if.

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The air force will comply with them. You know like I guess, I'm just worried that there's a lot of.

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Wells that have been tested- and we know some that were above new hampshire but below epa. There was.

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Disagreements initially about intervening and then those homes did get intervened on, which was great.

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But can you tell me, will that become a problem? This data sharing limitation will.

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This become a problem in the future, the near future when these mcls are set and.

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Some of these wells could potentially now be at levels that are not considered same.

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How would we know that, and how would we, how could we be sure des is able to oversee the air force.

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Intervening in those homes des does get private well data. It's just you know it's the pni rejected.

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Versions of the report, so should they come come to be, he would definitely be able to the state. Would.

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Definitely be able to see that there are wells that are being impacted over a newly accepted.

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um Epa epa levels, and at that point you know it's. You know everything's predicted that has.

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A res 59 arrest, 21 or you know some sort of coded number in there and then, of course, we.

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Would have to act on that as well um yeah, so they they're not so they'll be notified, but.

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Exactly where, where is what you're saying they won't know, how many.

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Minutes, if I understood christina correctly, one of the things you're looking at, though.

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Would be to, in that case, uh seek permission from the property owner that we've then be.

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uh Provided all of the information so the weekend right, if they give us that, then yes, I mean we're.

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Free to share everything. Okay, this we have attempted with several you know the more modern.

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um Access agreements- and we nobody wanted to sign that form. So I I hope that changes.

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I mean I'm certain, you know when we get to the actual private land owners, drinking water, wells events, maybe that would change. Maybe their attitude would.

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Be different than some of the ones we've seen recently or those are pretty hard now.

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um But yeah, that's the effort. Is it's worthwhile, so we're gonna have to look into that about going.

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Out again and see it again asking for permission but, like I said so far today we have none.

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I feel like we're, like kind of feeling, the elephant kind of identifying where we are okay,.

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Questions about the 3d model that was shown or about the plants, the legs and any of that andrew.

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I do have a list of questions um at first. I guess I just want to mention to this group.

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um That I have worked with mike daly in the epa. I think there are some grants available to raps to.

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Provide technical assistance and I think, we're at an opera we're at a you know a point in time where.

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I think us having some technical assistance would be really helpful for our community.

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Broad members, just because I think we've lost some really seasoned, knowledgeable ram members.

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Recently and there's all this data coming out and some of it, we don't even have all the data, but.

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um It just I think, it's a good opportunity to try to pursue some independent technical.

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Assistance and so I've worked with mike daily and we, the peace, rob community members have a.

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Meeting on january 31st from six to seven with bob schuack to talk about different options.

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And so I just wanted to put that up to the group. That is something something members.

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Have expertly exist in and I think it would be beneficial for a group at this time to have.

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More scientific expertise we can help the community members interpret all this data.

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Thank you. I don't know if you want to say anything about that.

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Okay, so andrea, if anybody missed those emails, all of our members are welcome. Yeah I mean I.

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Think it's for the community rob members, but I think yeah, whoever yeah got it yeah.

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But yeah just to clarify is community. It doesn't have to be it's not just the rap, but it can be.

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Anybody within the community that you know has would like to sort of uh or have an interest in.

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um uh There's a there's there's a couple vehicles uh one allows.

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uh The community to hire their own consultant um and epay reimburses uh the cost of the consultant.

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um And there's sort of uh certain costs or most costs are covered, but certain things are not.

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um Those but those are clearly um delineated, and then we also have another little more avail.

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Easily more easily available uh consultant that can provide uh it's an epa consultant.

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But can provide the services similar to a consultant that the community would hire.

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um Through so that that the tag technical assistance grant is something where the.

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Community can hire their own consultant and then something called task. Technical.

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Assistance for super fun communities, I believe, is for where we can have a it's a lot more uh quick.

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Streamlined uh easier, uh where there's already a consultant available to the community and they.

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Can task that community a test pick and test the consultant, the task consultant to review stuff so.

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uh So that those are the couple things that we can go into greater detail, um we have a scheduled call.

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uh On the 31st, so we can provide some more details in what may work for the community. So uh and I.

I

Explained to andrea too, this is a good opportunity. I I think we're in a you know: it's never well. It's.

I

Never too late to sort of you know get this kind of support. This help um to basically interpret.

I

Some of the stuff- and it is it's hard- there's no question about it, um it's hard forever. Even for me.

I

At this point, uh and what's interesting about this project, it's it's such a large. It's it's basically.

I

You know well, it's probably well at least the size of the base. You know 4 300 acres and then some.

I

As you as you look into the town of newington, so there's a lot of data. There's a lot of data, a lot.

I

Of information, so um a consultant can help a lot in interpreting the stuff uh for the community, so.

I

um So that so that it you know, is still will be a draft it'll be an ri report at some.

I

Point later in the year, so um the information that's available now can certainly be sort of.

I

um Reviewed and evaluated and then interpreted for the community and and that would sort of get.

I

Them on a trajectory to when the report comes out, uh they'd have a nice sort of baseline of.

I

Information uh because there's a lot of information out there now there's been a.

I

Lot of reports thus far you know, uh generated by the air force, so there's a lot of good information.

I

um That you could sort of get a nice primer for uh the eventuality of getting an iri report. So.

I

Why don't you jump in thanks? I just would like mike to clarify the epa, provides the funding, but.

M

They don't it's not their consultant and they don't choose a consultant correct. We get to.

M

Choose the consultant they just pay for it. That's the technical assistance grant. um The other thing.

I

That what I mentioned was a technical assistance for super fund communities. That's where we have.

I

There is a consultant, that's sort of I'll call I'll use the term I'll look on retainer.

I

But it's available to the communities to task and review stuff. So there's a couple: there's a.

I

Couple options: the tag has a little more sort of a little more to do's with it. um I've had I've.

I

Had experience with both, so it depends on what the community wants, what they're looking for.

I

um And, like I said, the tag has a little bit more there's more to do's there to sort of to get.

I

um To get set up to sort of start the um sort of get the money flowing so, um but I.

I

Can we'll get we can go into that and you know really good detail um on the 31st. So, okay thank.

I

You yeah, so it's they both work they're. Both I've seen them both in action and um it just.

I

Depends on what the community is willing to sort of um yeah what they're looking to do so.

A

Thank you andrea over to you and your questions. um I had some questions for amy.

B

About the vegetable data, so you had mentioned a drought and how that kind of created some.

B

Problems in the summer, so I'm just curious: do you still feel like you got a comprehensive.

B

Sampling set given the drought, and would you want to do additional sampling? It sounds like.

B

You probably couldn't get in timing with reports, but do you still do you feel like that negatively.

B

Impacted your ability to get a comprehensive sample set our objective. Mostly this year has been.

B

Confirmation we did do a little bit of expansion, but because most of it was just confirming that.

B

We didn't detect anything we needed before. I think we feel pretty comfortable with it.

B

um You know we haven't done google analysis yet maybe when we look at it, you know, as I said there.

F

Was a little bit more detective this year, we're going to look into maybe what could have caused.

F

That, um if there's anything that we can decide related or you know, the drought makes a difference.

F

We don't really know and then um another question I had was: how did you report this information back.

B

To the homeowners, because I had heard like some folks got letters, maybe and was there.

B

An opportunity to people have like a phone call, because I I didn't see what the report back was.

B

Like but like, I can draw a comparison to blood testing and it's super confusing and not easy.

B

To read or interpret so I'm just curious what the report back was to homeowners who participated and.

B

If people are still confused, how can they reach out to get more help in understanding results.

B

Yeah I mean they can reach, I believe you know, I believe I will chris yeah. I saw all the letters.

G

That go out so they have absolutely all of my contact and I encourage them to call me if there.

G

Are questions and if it comes across, they have a question that's way over my head and I require any.

G

Help and I'll get around the conference call as well that ri email address and and phone number.

F

Are still active so if someone can also found things there, you know so that that either way.

B

There are, there are multiple apps, so just to be clear, it's just letters that went out, though, like.

B

Phone calls didn't get made to these homes to walk them through this information. The letter with like.

G

Services or something with all their results in comparison, if there's a screening level for that.

G

Particular media, then that's in there as well, so they have something to compare it against.

B

Okay, and if people do have follow-up questions, they should start with you. Yes, okay,.

G

And I have fielded several phone calls usually now with the mostly water, but um it does happen. Okay,.

B

um I think the next is just more. I guess a general comment in the sense that I understand that we.

B

Can't always see the specific locations of where data was collected, but sometimes I feel like the.

B

Information presented to us is too vague in the sense that it doesn't always. It doesn't share.

B

Every p fast testing core and like arrange, and sometimes it just focuses on a handful of people.

B

So maybe that's just all you're detecting, but I feel like that's an ongoing um gap for me where.

B

We just I don't think we're always getting all the information and just a comment, and I guess.

B

Feedback for future presentations, if, if it could be set up with you, know, here's all the pfas. We.

B

Tested for here's all the ones that we detected and here's the range of what we found, um I don't.

B

Know I just sometimes feel, like the information is laughing and it seems vague, so just give you that.

B

um The other question is for grant so at the site. Eight, you talked about trenches, being replaced.

B

And you said a through d was decommissioned, but one through five was constructed. How many.

B

Trenches are there total, like. I guess that wasn't clear is a through b, the only trenches and you did.

B

Only ones or are there still other trenches, old trenches and yeah. So yes, so the new construction.

N

Consisted of five new trenches, replacing trench a transit b, trench c trench deep four trenches, which.

N

Were decommissioned those out for access? There's one remaining trench, trench e from from the old.

N

Structure, okay, that we have the opportunity to use if, if we we currently do not do not.

N

Direct flow to that trench heat, which is only from the far the northwestern side.

N

The spark area at citated, but we do have option to use it so they've been replaced with five new.

N

Active trenches that far exceed the capacity of what what the plant will essentially reduce.

N

Or effort, and additionally, it's far exceeds what we've had actively working at the time.

N

To workplace, we were down to effectively two trenches. These were trenches. We piggybacked.

N

On when we came in and built and built the plants- oh okay, so they had some age to them. um That was.

N

Identified in 18, we knew that that replacement was on the table and that came to fruition really in.

N

Spring of this year, okay, so you replaced them because they were kind of old and outdated.

N

To reject that water into the capture the influence, the flush, the system there.

N

um When our options kind of narrowed slowly over the course of the last couple again, this.

N

Goes back to 2018 when we recognized testing was done. We recognized that this was so as our options.

N

Narrowed it was time to engage the air force, so it's time to replace the trenches. It's kind of.

N

What a design on the table is highly designed to design which happened right around thanksgiving.

A

Which is not for thanksgiving okay yeah all right. Thank you sure. um I have two other questions.

B

um Chris for you and the ri report, like, can you walk us through the timeline a.

B

Little bit in a little bit more detail, and can you explain the stops along the.

B

Way where we, as the community member, are going to get to view the reports.

B

And like well, we have the ability to provide any comments on them.

B

um I know there was a talk, I think, of like a draft report in the spring that the regulators will get.

B

To see and then we'll get to see a report at the community level in the fall so anyways.

L

If you could just like help us better understand the reports that are coming up this year and the.

B

Timeline yeah sure and please jump in if I'm I'm off in this bank but yeah. So the draft is it's. It.

G

Works right now we're actually because this is such a complex, our iron or it's basically, two.

G

Water device we're going to do them in sections just to keep things moving, so we're going to do.

G

Our internals, the air force, obviously gets the first crack at it before it goes to the regulators.

G

And at that point they have their. I believe it's 90 day review period for the ira reports here.

G

Team will respond to them and, however long that may take, then they get an opportunity to review.

G

Them and you know, accept or argue against how the government was resolved and then once sort.

G

Of the air force team and the regulators are about come to terms when the final report can be made.

G

Available and that's what the public will have access to it: okay, but it's finally there so, but.

B

In terms of timeline, the first tasks will happen where they, the regulators, will see. It is this.

B

Spring is what you're hoping for yeah it's late spring summer early summer. I think. Currently it's.

D

June, 1st or beginning of june sometime or is that no that's the air force? I guess you, the airport,.

D

You guys get it, you know first, so, okay, so you'll get it to you. First, the regulators get it when.

B

Same time no they'll get it after the airport as well. So we want to make sure that our.

G

Internal comments are addressed before it goes external, and when can we remember, members expect.

G

um That's going to be at the end of the fall, the end of the fall of this year, right after.

G

The after all, the comments are done. I can't really promise a deadline, because if there's.

G

A lot of comments that go unresolved that could go to that could go into you know further discussions.

G

Or mediation, or something like that, so it could take longer to get the final like we.

G

Hope not we've been working hand in hand with our regulators the entire time, so we feel we're all.

G

On the same page- and we feel this process should go fairly well and are the regulators comments.

B

Made available to the community: do we get to see what they comment on? I always have to yeah. Okay,.

K

I'm sorry you're looking for an answer for me.

I

uh Yeah, no, no like we. Yes, we can certainly share those and um yeah the the you know. It's you know.

I

I I can't think of a time where we've had you know this. This is such an expansive.

I

um Again, it doesn't really exist uh uh uh in the library for peace, there's a lot of uh what we did.

I

Is we parsed out the uh call operable units so there's a lot of ris you'll see numerous ris for.

I

A lot of these sites that have uh I'll call them legacy sites that have been studied.

I

Remediated and then there's been a number of optimization efforts, and uh so you know.

I

And those are ongoing, so um so yes, this will be a pretty expansive. It will cover.

I

You know it covers the 4300, you know I'm just coming up. The base originally was 4 300 acres, but.

I

um You know much of that still is retained, uh it's much of it with pda and then again we have much.

I

More uh real estate that this contamination has sort of um spelled on to newington uh so yeah, it's.

I

Going to be a quite and it's got and it's going to be a multimedia, it's you know again, and this is.

I

Not again, this is untypical of a lot of other ri reports, but we have a number of media that we've.

I

Never even evaluated through the other legacy uh programs program such as again produce so eggs.

I

You know so there's a lot of things, so it will be a big report and with big reports, inevitably.

I

Come lots of comments, so I think what chris was trying to say is, as we try to nail down timelines.

I

um Yeah there could be a number of comments from from either me and or des that will have to get.

I

Resolved and sometimes, as chris suggested, sometimes there's a dispute that arises out.

I

Of it, because it's a it's a it's a report of consequence, we call it a primary document. The.

I

Fellow cities agreement, uh but with that said, you know again, we have been working hand in.

I

Hand we've been collaborative, so you know, I'm hoping chris is hoping, I'm sure he's hoping we.

I

Don't have any of those major sort of uh impasses with regard to what the report is uh with what the.

I

Report contains and if there's any sort of issues that you know, hopefully there's no issues that we.

I

Have that will have to be adjudicated uh through the process that we have so hopefully that won't.

I

Be the case, but it is, it is a it's a bit hard to sort of necessarily define, and uh you know 45 days.

I

Will probably be not enough, at least for me, and probably I don't want to speak for pete, but yeah.

I

That's there's going to be a lot of information, so we do have the ability to request extension under.

I

The phillips lose agreement. That probably will be the case, so I'm just trying to give some apply.

I

Some realistic sort of expectations on because the size of the report it'll be significant, so.

A

Foreign, I was just curious kind of going back to the new epa mcls and guidance that may should be hopefully.

B

Coming out soon, how would that decision or those you know? How would that impact this report and.

B

Any conclusions that are drawn because a lot of information is kind of drawn on current.

B

Information, the current guidance or health advisories, and so if the epa were to come out.

B

With much lower levels, drinking water would that change the conclusions of some of these reports or.

B

If this report is already kind of, you know, almost complete they're, an addendum be done like where we.

B

Have this kind of hanging over our heads, this epa decision that's coming soon? How could that impact.

B

The work that's being done here: could it delay it? Could it change conclusions in the future.

I

I I'm going to speak. I don't want to cut chris off, but I will say and again I don't know what the new.

I

Then again I don't know what the draft rule making mcls will be. um I can tell you that the numbers.

I

That we're relying on uh which are which are regional screening levels, are pretty low uh in the.

I

Range of I believe, four parts per trillion. I think for p4p foss uh amy can correct me if I'm wrong.

I

um But that's quite low and you know so it's from a delineation standpoint we're trying to.

I

Use the lowest of everything at least through, and I think the slides sort of try to depict. I.

I

Think the lowest of all these things that we have currently, but I mean this is what I've been saying.

I

I think we've all been collectively saying this has been the struggle as we try to sort of conduct.

I

This work we're constantly trying to adjust on the fly to again these emerging contaminants, so.

I

Yes, we've been doing this um constantly, I think you know every data set uh that we've collected.

I

Which inevitably had to go back and review it and compare it against the latest and greatest so.

I

um So with that said, I I wouldn't expect you know if, if indeed epa does release.

I

uh These draft mcls, you know I I'm like I'm hoping this sufficiently low enough at least.

I

What we're using now to sort of delineate those that these areas, but it could it.

I

Could it could require some some additional, perhaps some some tweaking if, if need be,.

I

um So that that could be that's a possibility, but um we're so low. Now in terms of our sort.

I

Of screening um yeah, it's like how low can you go, so I guess we'll see.

B

Okay and just to be clear, my what the epa is doing next is putting out throughout mcls.

B

Not definite right, so then. What does that look like in terms of you know? Is that like a year or.

B

You know what can we expect on a community side of the next step with the epa in that process?.

I

I'm sorry, I didn't quite hear you, but uh you were asking about um how the process goes after the.

I

Drafts are released is that was that the question so the next step is the drafts of cl's come out.

H

Right yeah right and how long are those in draft form before they become permanent? You know like.

B

Well, there's going to be a, I can imagine. It'll go for public comment and, like all these things.

I

um There's always a significant public comment, because there's a lot of interested priorities.

I

That will have a lot of interest, a lot of things to sort of, say and comment on. So I you know with.

I

Regard to these, I imagine there'll, be a lot of comments um given it's given, given the fact that.

I

They are emerging contaminants, so um so yeah I I wish I could say I I really don't know, um but I.

I

Think these again with I think this, these classic chemicals seem to generate anything surrounding.

I

Them seems to generate quite a bit of comment, so um you know the drafts. I I suppose in regards to.

I

The draft numbers, like you, know again, we would, I think, practically we'd- have to consider those and.

I

Those would be part of our screening or our consideration of, as we consider nature extent,.

I

Of contamination so um for groundwater anyway drinking a lot of groundwater, so.

I

um But yeah, I really don't know it's. um I can only imagine um it'll probably be a significant.

I

You know significant comment and then those comments have to be uh they have to be. You know.

I

Responded to and they have to be uh published and so yeah it takes a while and sometimes the.

I

The mcl sometimes they're um they don't become effective immediately, so there could be a period.

I

Of time when they do eventually become effective, so um so that allows, for instance, want a supply.

I

Is to sort of uh you know adjust make be able to basically meet the standards it gives them.

I

A period of time to uh make the changes so, um but you know that's the process generally, I.

I

Just couldn't tell you exactly how long it could be before the drafts become uh eventually final, so.

A

You want to airports. Do you want to respond to any of the questions about how that fits.

A

Or what you're expecting or well I just also want to you know just make mention.

G

That we have pivoted, you know among those articles that mike was just talking about.

G

Came out, we did address it for you, you know it was earlier this year when they popped when they.

G

Dropped on and we did adjust our step out well so that we could go out there and capture them.

G

So that being said with, this is all going on, while the ira reports being done, you know it's. It's.

G

Possible yeah: we would have to take a step back and go out there and take more delineation. That's.

G

We'll have to wait and see like mike said, those rsls are really low and we're at.

G

Least, I'm hoping that the new standards are aren't below those but they'll. Let the weight.

G

See but like I said there is president, we have done that I've never been ready.

G

But I mean the the current health advisors and the courts for.

B

If so, it's like for the epa for the drinking water, so I know what you're saying but like.

B

Based on what the epa's already put out this year- or I guess last year it it's below per.

B

Trillion so I I recognize horus very low, but that's the epa is still going much lower right.

B

Now for pfoa and pfos, at least in their current health advisories, which I know is in sandstone but.

B

There is a big difference, but I guess it might have been one um between four and you know for.

B

Quadrillion, so it's just something we should be prepared for and and again just general the.

B

Curiosity of how that could affect some of the conclusions that are being made in this report.

B

Certain levels are, you know, safe, but then all of a sudden they're. Not so then what you know.

B

So all right understood, I think it would have its biggest implications in the in.

E

The water, the drinking water results, but the problem with your private wells right sure.

C

We had a question in chat from ken. uh What is the background.

C

Concentration of epos and the environment in non-point sources such as rainwater.

C

Then feel free to come off me if you want to add to that.

M

I mean I, don't I don't remember what that I won't say. Natural concentration is, but that.

M

Ubiquitous concentration is, uh does anybody remember yeah, I don't. We haven't sampled for.

D

It at peas, but I I I in literature searches. I I've come across a number of like three pvt or.

D

Something like that. I mean it's, it's it's it's low, it's it's low, but it's deductible. So there's.

F

A lot of research being done, and there are certain states that are starting to think about setting.

F

Background numbers based on research that they're doing so there's you know I think, there's I don't.

F

Think there's a set in stone number at this point, but well since it seems really.

M

Impossible to find water sources that haven't been contaminated by pfos, you know across the globe.

M

The simplest approach- wouldn't wouldn't it be to just know what that background is environmentally.

M

Globally and use that, instead of all these changing concentrations, because we are the.

M

Restoration advisory board. We would like the aquifer restored to its condition prior to when.

M

All this went into the water and we can't get to zero, but it seems like a lot of time and effort.

M

And energy has gone into this discussion now uh for a few years, and progress is definitely being.

M

Made but it feels a little wasteful because we should just shoot for the moon here. Let's just.

M

Restore the aquifer to what we can get it to as an environmental concentration. Naturally, you know.

M

We're stuck with pfos in the environment, so uh just my thought. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Expenses or additional comments or questions.

B

I would say for people in participants who are in the public if you're going to want.

B

To make public comment that might be coming sooner rather than later, just heads up, yeah.

E

Think about your predicted concentrations and the graphs you showed um about chiefos moving.

E

Through the haven well- and you said there was a slug predicted a few years and I was wondering.

E

Maybe I messed up what was the source and we expected destination unless of the slogan.

D

Well, I mean the the behavior well is in the middle of the proof right now and that's and.

D

Then that plume there's a lot of energy within that film. Maybe they can move up great answers.

D

You know, there's it's not a constant concentration, grading and there's pockets here and there, and so.

D

You know the model predicted that there's there's a there. I think it was a slight decline and then.

D

There was going to be a slight increase come through and then it went down in concentration.

D

Then it went up a little bit and then it started sitting and sterling going down and as the result.

D

Of just the heterogeneity of the of the water upgrading of that you know, uh I don't know without.

E

Looking at the map, which specific point source is responsible for the contamination of single well.

D

It's you know, it's it's site, 8 is contributing to it. uh The the uh the fire equipment test area.

D

Is contributing to it uh the firing range? Those are the big three big players all fresh, um mainly.

D

The current crash station, I think, is yeah the crash stations. Okay are to a lesser degree,.

D

You have to share. Hopefully I don't like.

A

I know you can see the map in your head right. I know I'm sorry.

D

Am I I don't know if I'm sure, but this is basically not yet not yet hydrologic flow. Just.

E

Containing those contaminants and moving across the place, yes through the bedroom, yes and.

D

So everybody technical pause.

D

D

Else right there I got it sure. Thank you all right, we'll challenge technically these things, but.

D

Anyone be around me with that. Thank me any assistance with this stuff so.

B

I think it's going to be tiny on most people's screens. Okay, you really gotta.

D

Orient them yeah. So let me I'll zoom in here and we'll. Let me see if I can.

D

D

I was paying the well and we're talking about that right now, zoom in a little bit and I'll.

D

Put on here um water table cloud floors, there's a water table contours and I'm going to put on.

D

Sword series, and can you speak a little out of this yeah? Sorry, so, okay, so uh here's the.

D

Haven well- and we have uh these areas up here- the purple areas are known or potential source areas.

D

uh This is the uh former crash fire station here, uh and this is the current crash fire.

D

Station and those are uh have been identified in the report uh um as as uh as storage areas.

D

They're not as significant as uh this like eight up here. This is a significant source area and then.

D

These two source areas here this is the firing firing range and the uh fire equipment test.

D

Area so from from a groundwater flow perspective. Here, let me just make this a little bit bigger.

D

And um this is this on this area here this isn't bound, so this is actually going in all different.

D

Directions here, but from from the pay uh impacted, uh you know the southern flow area. This is coming.

D

Down in this direction here, so these guys are coming down like this as well as this is coming.

D

Right down through that side area site eight, the stuff up here is- is coming right down through here.

D

um At least the kc155 crash site, so you can see there's several these.

D

Are kind of emerging sites uh emerging flow lines of groundwater, although you.

D

Have contamination that's moving down and you know and it gets it gets pulled.

D

In uh they just run it backwards from here, although you know stuff like that,.

D

Well and there's a capture zone around here that you know these things kind of get pulled.

D

Into that's what our model is showing you know, uh and so the distribution of.

D

The contamination in this whole area is not is not consistent. You have high levels and lower.

D

Levels and pockets of contamination and so on, and so that's what that's. What you're seeing.

E

So you have a good model prediction on the point of the payment. Well, someone our intercept model.

E

Is also able to show where these slugs or areas are going to move through after that and then go.

E

I guess toward greenland or whatever yes and and that's what you know yes and we we usually we're.

D

Not, and that is that is part of our plan- we're not going to, uh uh we can do it with maps too.

D

You know we can, we can do it, uh we could show the extent of say an rsl or a mcl exceeds matter.

D

And we can have a line said: okay after 10 years of migration is what it looks like and after 20.

D

Years you know and so that'll we can predict that and that that that ring that mcl or seeds line.

D

Could get bigger and bigger bigger in certain areas in some areas it's going to get smaller.

D

And smaller and smaller because we have treatment, so it's going to change so we're that's where we.

D

Are working on that right now and you know so the graphs that I provided in the presentations just.

D

Just kind of in one little snippet, um we expect to see that as part of the final report, then yes, yes,.

E

Yeah, that would be very interesting.

I

Hey hank, uh just just for the sake of um that um pictorial. There.

I

um I just wanted to clarify that allocide 8 is not moving south. I just thought it would.

I

Be important to just sort of um right, and so I just want to make sure that there's not the.

I

Expectation that it's all moving south, that you know life insurance, that's a good point and I'll.

D

Just explain I think it was mentioned earlier uh about uh uh you know, like maybe you mentioned it.

D

uh Or or chris mentioned it about how this is going to get divided out and it was presented.

D

In the presentation this this line here with this little circle and- and it goes over- this is uh our.

D

Float well is kind of an arbitrary thing, uh but it's our our flow field, designation. So anything on.

D

The including circles here anything north is what we're calling flowfield one and anything south is.

D

Float bill two: we have these circle because these this contour, you can see this oval here. This is a.

D

High point and there's a high point over here too: this is our groundwater highs for the base. The.

D

Water is split there. This is so it's it's flowing, it's flowing to the north and it's flowing to the.

D

South so uh so site a is actually contributing. Contaminants. Contaminants are migrating from.

D

Site a northward into newington and southward into into the flight line area and the same.

D

Thing for these two sites here, so these are split and they're flowing in two different ways.

E

Thank you that was possible and the report's going to be structured. That way. It's going to.

D

Be we'll talk about uh the sites in flow field, one and and we'll talk about all the sites that.

D

Are contributing local one and then we'll talk about you know my integration pathways.

D

In political one and then we'll talk about all the and that's what we'll speak session.

D

And then the other section is all the sites we can put bill to the source areas and then.

D

Call that call that, as a call with all those sites a migrate through world war ii, foreign.

E

Can move more readily through portions of peas, whereas uh other parts have.

E

Finer grain sediments, lower hydraulic conductivities, less transmissive, but foreign.

E

Yes, that's right, and, and so this this is a mapped, uh sand and gravel or or uh well it's an actor.

D

It's a glacial epoxy and the darker, the blue, the higher the permeability or the transmissivity.

D

Of that and that's where you know we see that's where the supply wells are right: they're they're.

D

Tapped into uh you know, they were smart back then they they knew how to cite these wells.

D

uh So they they put them in these deeper coarse grain deposits. So these blue blue areas are you.

D

Know it's much more transmissive a lot more water looking through here um and so so contamin is.

D

Going to move through there, too um is there. They will have their preferential to happen so to speak.

B

Thank you, I'm wondering if there are rad members who haven't had a chance.

B

To share it, thank you, questions and andrews right jump in please.

J

Well, I certainly would defer to any any ram member that hasn't had a chance to speak, but.

J

um Regarding site, a.

J

Can um someone comment on the effect of the improvements that you've outlined by.

J

uh Make you know eliminating uh old uh outflows and putting in new ones on the operating potential.

J

Of the plant, it continues, as I read, to be at 55 percent of the potential for its effectiveness.

J

And we're looking at a remedy: we're not going to get to a record of decision or told the end of.

J

2026, at best it sounds like longer, given the complexity, which is understandable, so.

J

I'm very interested again on what what is being done to make site eight work better.

N

We thanks mike the the the trenches that were discussed that were given an overview in the in.

N

The slide presentation, don't necessarily have a direct correlation of what what's.

N

Restricting our flows uh in the plan currently, okay, uh our challenges are, with the with the.

N

With the water that were uh that were that's available to that plan and in particular that.

N

High iron wells that make up the majority of the abstraction wells for that facility.

N

So upcoming improvements that are being discussed are optimization efforts to treat that water more.

N

Effectively that allows us to increase those influence rates into that plan. Pre-Treatment.

N

Different filtration systems, as we as that water enters the plant before it's before it's treated.

N

So those type of things are being discussed would be, of course, now currently uh to get that plant optimized to get those rates increased.

G

Yeah and I'll just add that I'm like so leave their right wspn would have been in discussions.

G

Well, regulators have been involved as well as the possible changes to that to that plan, maybe bring.

G

In some more technologies that are more like games or the ground implant that are seeing.

G

Really highly successful rates you know maybe increasing the you know the gak filters as well.

G

um Possibly, switching to a single pass residence of a free up some space, so that we could put in.

G

Some of these pre-treatments to really increase that uh increase that flow through there and then.

G

Of course, in the future you know we're not ruling out, you know additional wells uh and things like.

G

That so I mean yes, we are absolutely on board with you. We are looking for ways to optimize.

G

And get that to get that system running at a higher capacity and make a bigger difference.

G

There so yeah, thank you for your question, but yes, we are absolutely looking into this. It's one of.

G

My priorities as well as it's in the works: well, it has the potential for rewards when you look at.

J

The effectiveness of the uh efforts you've made with aims on you know on the south end.

J

uh It was just outlined when you, you see the significant reduction that you've achieved and you.

J

Know it's important, obviously, that's a municipal water supply, but there are people drinking water.

J

Coming north of site a in uh in newington. Thank you, sir. Like I said it's priority for us and we.

G

Are you know we are I'm currently in discussions with my leadership and with contracting as well.

G

To get some of these changes a month, that's sooner later, just because it is such a high value to us.

G

That was a little more to come on that as that develops. Thank you for your question.

A

Great members, final questions are coming now before we go to our water city, water, update.

H

You said there are no more um sampling protocols, I'm going to be introduced this this season.

E

Just follow-up testing on dominance, yeah well, yeah right, so the uh you know. We need to focus.

B

On report- writing. That's at this point, so we also partially partially referring to a short.

B

Conversation that I suppose we should probably mention here about the honey.

B

It asked a question so and so we had a short discussion just about whether or not it was.

B

You know what about honeybees, you know we did all this produce sampling. We definitely saw.

B

To do that there we know there's a lot of people with the with me actively in the area. So you know.

B

It's a question of you know: if we decide it's a possible pathway, is it something that could.

B

Be done at a later date, even if it can't be, you know, pulled into this ri, because the timeline.

B

And it you know, potentially, is so something that we're gonna definitely think about moving forward.

B

um We do still have, I think, there's what sampling for uh maple syrup. We are going to go to naval.

B

Staff this spring that was mentioned and then yeah, something else right, yeah, that's it foreign.

A

Real quick um is the pfos, it's being removed being destroyed being incinerated, or is it.

M

Still being land filled, yeah, it's being launched a little classy landfield landfill.

G

So nothing's being considerated that has been fast enough from air force activities.

M

And we request, or can I request that we go back to incinerating it? um I currently wish I could.

G

But it's against it's against the air force's policy or the dod policies. Right now, I've heard.

G

The ndaa, so we have a current moratorium on waste incineration. Therefore, we have gone the.

G

Road of going to classy hazardous wasteland bills as a precautionary method of disposal, but the epa.

G

Will eventually have a ruling on the types of pfast instructions that are going to be allowed.

G

I don't know if anybody has heard when those are coming out. I don't think it's for another year or.

G

More unfortunately, mike I don't know if you've heard anything about that, but to my knowledge.

G

um There are no rules yet on what we can do with pfas other than put them in the in the.

G

Landfills will you be able to extract them and treat them later when the ruling comes through.

M

Of how they can be destroyed once they're in the landfill, don't we well, it just feels very.

M

Irresponsible to take this problem, we have and distribute it elsewhere. Thank you. [music] Oh.

B

Serious all the time in this committee because it has to be, but it's really hard.

B

um Thanks for all of that, a lot of really good topics um from many of you and lots of great.

B

Helpful responses, thanks for that, with the conversation, let's go to papa all right brief.

E

Update on the uh these drinking water treatment facility at grafton road, I know some of you were.

E

On the tour during the last grad meeting, so if there's any questions that come up, that you have.

E

From that round meeting I bring that financial now um plan is still running great. um Not much has.

E

Changed since the rad meeting at this time, we've treated about 376 million gallons to the treatment.

E

Plant we're still sampling monthly throughout the treatment process. There. No long change compounds.

E

Have been seen or detected coming through either the resins or the gac. So that's all good.

E

um We are, it's been a little over a year and a half now we've been running.

E

um April will be sort of the anniversary of two years, so we are making plans to change out of.

E

One of the carbon vessels, as well as three of the resin treatment trains right now, we're planning.

E

On the gax once the gak change out in march and if all goes well we'll be changing out three of.

E

The the resin trains in april that will get us on a good operational cycle. I know the residents had.

E

A warranty period of two years we're hitting that in april, I will get on a change out schedule where.

E

Every two years we change out the residents and the gas will be every three years, we'll change.

E

Out again, so that's sort of a way to predict our our costs moving forward and changing things out.

E

um And we're still running a pilot study there. We still have the four different exchange resins.

E

We've been running that for about four months now, all the resins are looking really good.

E

um Still not seeing any of the long chains, so this is what we're seeing with the the exchange resins they're, really great at taking out the long chains. We're.

E

Seeing some of the short chains coming through so it will start mapping those.

E

um They're, all pretending quite well so we'll continue doing that as long as we can. We want.

E

To see some belong change, so we can really see where the breakthrough is see. How long.

E

We can push these, uh but that's it for the update. Any questions you have would be good.

B

um What short chains are breaking through the pfba? It's always the person that comes through.

E

And we're seeing that around 30 parts per trillion uh pea is coming through the resins. At this point,.

E

um And I can't play with the concentration as well and.

E

um And then pf hxa goes with three that, in other short, sayings are typically completely.

E

Those those compounds breaking going through to the water that's going out to ease the pspa. Yes,.

B

Is the only one that's in the like finished final water at like 30 parts per trillion, yeah, okay,.

B

um And then what will you do with the resident of gap when you're all done so? Will that also go.

B

To a landfill yeah we're following the air forces guy on that, so the all the resin is.

E

Going to be shipped down to the same things, we do the same class c landfill that they're using.

E

um It's basically manifest under air force's controls, instead of you along the.

E

Ways essentially and the the carbon is going to be reactivated, sent back to calgon, where we got.

E

The carbon and then we reactivated for future use. Do you know what the reactivation process.

B

Is like how do they get rid of the pfas that it collects and like so essentially they reuse? It.

E

Right, yeah, it's heated to extreme temperatures with steam, I believe, or something to reactivate.

B

um And do we get that same one back or no we'll get the same? One back it'll be a lot of tests.

E

Along with that, when you get it back, um it's common practice according to calgon. This is this.

E

Is what they do we're at a good advantage where our carbon is hard to be used at all, since it's at.

E

The end of our trading training: we really want to look in it, so we feel pretty safe, we're using well.

A

Other questions for all.

H

Right. Thank you it's time for public comment, so our participants um on the public who are here.

B

Virtually or in person you can have a few minutes to talk. I think we have up to three minutes. I.

B

Don't know if we're gonna have much interest in that, but um participants in the webinar.

B

You would be listed as an attendee right, you can raise your virtual hand and let us know if you're.

B

Interested in making comments and for people in the room here, if you can just let us know.

B

I think we're mostly that side here. So um all right do we have pam? What are you seeing on the.

B

Participants, I think so far, but just a reminder to attendees the race hand functions at the.

C

Bottom of your screen, if you're on the bone, I believe is star nine to raise your hand.

B

Of course, they're sexist, it's one of the two one numbers.

B

Any public comment tonight anybody else who wants to share thoughts on all of this.

B

I don't think this has ever happened.

B

I think that means that members are raising all the questions.

B

Thank you um all right. Let's I'm going to open the floor, then, for a few more minutes.

B

For the grab, if there's anything else that you'd like to go into further remember to.

B

Anything you were like, oh, if only I could have asked one or two follow-ups to really understand.

B

Something- and that was a great time to do that easier to do it now than later anything else.

G

I just wanted to say is mike donna you still on the horn yeah there. You are like.

G

um You know you brought up earlier about your ability to um so I talked to you on the screen.

G

I know I should be looking in this owl. This was really hard to concentration. Do that, but then you.

G

Know you're, you feel, like you need some tools to communicate with your with your communities.

G

I don't know the map that you saw today and also the ones that were in the presentation that showed.

G

You know not only the points were the worst. Some of these uh you know the samples were collected.

G

With those contour maps, so you could at least show to your your neighbors or your community members.

G

Where the extent of the pfest is that something that will help you, because we can get those.

G

And um yeah, if it would, it would help if the presentation materials were.

J

Similar to the approach that mike daly uh mentioned to you bear in mind that excuse me.

J

If the um materials were divided in it would allow for a better scale between north and south of site.

J

A if you treated it as two different areas, one area north of site, a so you'd, get what's coming.

J

Up site 8 going north and what's the extent of that and the obviously where the focus has been.

J

Until a blade, everything going south of side, a the the the scale is- and I know they can be enlarged.

J

On on your computer screen, I mean some of the few things I'm probably capable of doing, but.

J

That doesn't really make for uh uh and it you lose any kind of global. Look. Then you're zooming in on.

J

You know a very small area and, given the lack of detail, you lose any ability to try to figure.

J

Out, where the, where it is it's just uh I I appreciate the offer and I I think, if we could.

J

You know if we could have a technical session on that, the the way we had a technical session.

J

Working towards you know some of the the design of some of their remedial investigation.

J

um I think we could uh make some headway, but have a hard time seeing how it's gonna.

J

um Substitute for being able to do more disclosure, but um I I'm quite willing to work on it with you.

J

And I appreciate the the offer and you know I I'm sure there are other folks from the.

J

uh You know andrea will work tired tirelessly on anything for the for this organization, but.

J

Maybe some of us, the rest of us, can relieve our of this thing and work on that, uh particularly if we.

J

You know we we need some additional members from newington. That's that's pretty clear. With is two.

J

Of us tonight- and you know, this is a major thing for that town- whether they appreciate it or not,.

J

800 people- yes, and I believe we do have some metal kids currently for.

J

The red bulls, I'm aware of that, so that's good dude, I'm not scaring any of them off.

J

It's like they don't watch this.

A

B

I don't know reading the room in the in-person room, things are pretty mellow and kind of quiet.

B

I don't get the sense that there's a lot of topics just waiting to bust out for those red.

B

Members on zoom anything else you want to mention or raise at this point before we start wrapping up.

B

All right, I'd like to give each member a chance to share final thoughts. Just any closing remarks. You.

B

Want to and I'm going to call on people and can help me make sure I don't miss anybody um kim you.

A

Want to share closing remarks and then we'd go to mike donahue. I I think I made my uh feelings.

M

And thoughts clear, but thank you thank you mike donahue and then mike bailey all set thanks thanks.

B

Daley and then andrea, uh no, it's good to, I hope, might get some more help um and uh for newington.

I

So that would be. uh That would be. uh That would help, and I I think I understand what you're saying.

I

Like in regards, I I mean I I appreciate again, I think you're trying to look out for the town.

I

um I I and I think I know what you're looking for and I think we should you know I think through.

I

The the working meetings you suggest, um I think we could probably again hopefully accommodate.

I

I guess that information sharing as it relates to you know, information was specific to newington, so.

I

I I can appreciate when you we're looking at you, know: 30 000 feet and you're. Looking at the.

I

Pretty much almost the whole peninsula, so uh the piece peninsula I I can uh certainly appreciate.

I

Where you're, where your mind, where your eyes are focused relative to the town, and um so I.

I

Think that I I think that can be accommodated and, and uh certainly you know extra eyes on it.

I

From the town would certainly again be a help to you and into the town you know generally so.

I

um You know, I hope I hope uh whoever has applied. Will you know, can you know.

I

Can support or help and uh to help the town, so that would be that'd be great.

A

Thank you, andrea and then jared. um Thank you. um I guess I have a few composing thoughts. I do want.

B

To just reiterate, thanking uh mindy mesmaritz headquarters, gene trigger and joan hamlet for.

B

Their contributions to the rap really sad to see them go, um and you know I definitely am.

B

Looking forward to having adding some new members and getting more perspectives on this and just.

B

The importance of making these meetings really meaningful and engaging so people do want to stay.

B

On them and participate, because I think this is a long haul and we do need to stay engaged on it. So.

B

um Thank you to those that have served and I'm looking forward to adding some new members.

B

um I also do want to recognize that I want to thank the air force for intervening in.

B

Those private wells- I know that was you know a friction point a couple years back.

B

So the wells that were below ep's advisory but above new hampshire.

B

Is mcl's, thank you for following through on that that's important and appreciated.

B

um And then, lastly yeah, I just you know with the ndaa update, um you know I think initially.

B

The first slide was disappointing. There was some more information on the second slide. That was.

B

Provided tonight and that you know, I think we we need to come to a better middle point where.

B

The data can be shared with the community in a meaningful way, and um I hope the air force will.

B

Continue to stay, open-minded and work with the state and also um thank you to senator shaheen.

B

And her staff for all their efforts on trying to find a middle ground here, so that this can.

B

Be this can benefit all of us, so I hope that we can continue to see progress on that front as.

B

Well, moving forward, and just it's really nice to see you guys in person. So thanks for the meeting.

A

um Jared and then matt casey, uh I don't have any age.

D

Matt and then brian yeah uh just appreciate hearing all the updates and I certainly take.

K

You know the takeaways back to the base and discuss it with leadership, so we understand.

K

uh What's going on with the ongoing investigation, um you know with all the construction work we do.

K

Have going on base, we want to know where these hot spots are and make sure we're um you know, taking.

K

That into consideration, so I appreciate all the updates and comments thanks, brian and then samuel.

E

Yeah, I'm glad to hear that you know the monitoring is going to continue because I know we talk a lot.

E

About predictors, but the data speaks for itself. So that's good, just like al's able to talk about what.

E

We see what we really see what's going on in the water system, how the treatment system is working.

E

um And uh you know as al I swap seats, I won't be far, but I know uh you know he's doing a great job.

E

um Just like chris has done um like roger and chris had the same. That has the same.

E

Knack as roger of picking and meeting in january, when the snow's gone remember when.

E

I talked to you last week. He said I know it's going to snow. Here comes the snow, so.

E

What tell us, when next january meetings coming chris, so then we'll know we can.

E

All plan, for you know a couple snow days in school skiing getting better. You know someone.

B

Samuel and then peter so did I understand we did. We did get a couple of applications. We.

E

Did get a couple applications so we're they're going to be reviewed and then.

B

The co-chairs yeah well, I agree, I mean the more I get involved in the smaller.

E

Realistic system, so you know a vital importance to millington and has been.

E

You know long before I got here of course, but it's going to be ongoing for many years.

E

um So I'm gonna look forward to seeing a report. Thank you all in advance for working.

E

On it, putting it up, whatever has to happen, I wish a little bit as a community member. We get to see.

E

Some uh well, the comments and stuff was good about me uh useful, but.

E

um More sooner, we can see it at the veteran, let's start wearing ourselves, yeah.

E

I want a second, you know what andrea said, thanking the senator and the air force center's office of.

E

The air force andrea for working hard on trying to resolve these data sharing agents that are.

E

Certainly very frustrating, um but I don't want that to overshadow the amount of work.

E

That's gone into this before, and I really appreciate uh the all these folks that have.

E

Worked for years providing a lot of data, and it's really gotten us farther down the road.

E

There's there's a good story to be told in this report when we get it and I'm looking forward.

E

To it I'm going to go to chris in a second did I skip any other rad numbers. Do I get you off.

B

Let me get everybody christmas yeah. You put some kind of taken away from peter there.

G

Yeah, there's been a lot of great work going on here now these red meetings can seem kind of.

G

Tense at times, but this is a good group and we uh we share, you know we work together very well and.

G

The team that has put together is a stellar one like like peter said. This is going to be some good.

G

Things that come out of the support and all the continued work that we're doing, and we appreciate.

G

The community's involvement- and we think the red members that have stuck it out and those of you.

G

Who have left them? You know we thank you again and thank you for you know, promoting other applicants.

G

As well, uh to keep this thing going so everybody it's, it's been a good thing and it's a again ndaa.

G

We still work in progress more to come and we'll let you know, as the things develop in that regards.

G

And yeah thanks great, um I hope you all have a wonderful night. We will be posting the recording.

B

Online in the next week, sort of um so you can share with anybody who wants to see it and.

B

Missed it and be well travel safe, and we will be in touch soon. Thank you all soon, foreign.