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4.5.2023 Sagamore Avenue Project -- South Side Construction

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A very minor capacity um so hello, thank you for joining us for the sagamore ave, sewer extension.

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Project kickoff uh south of the creek. um Thank you for viewers. We have um online.

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Are we able to put the presentation up as well.

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So this is the public pick-off meeting for construction itself of sagamore creek uh and.

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Zach cronin the efficient city engineer at portsmouth, I'm here with eric fiedler.

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The city engineer: kevin garvey of wright, pierce, mark rainey of severino and roger.

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Rivet, san marino plus stephanie secord, our public information officer, sorry.

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So general uh presentation overview I'll, give general information on the project.

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Follow up with the information for pre-construction? What to.

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Expect out there uh during construction, uh frequently asked questions we've received.

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um For pre-construction, then we'll move on to the private property work. As you are aware, there is a.

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Private property section of this project then frequently asked questions from that and then.

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General questions at the end we're going to hold that until the end of the presentation.

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The general information, uh the project team for this is myself um eric fiedler, that's the.

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City's team we have bright pierce mike tario who's unable to attend. Today I used the senior.

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Project manager, we have kevin garvey, the direct project manager of the project and roy babylon.

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Unfortunately, was unable to attend uc resident projects representative, I use the boots on the.

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Ground for the city directly hired by the city to oversee construction and help interface, public.

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um He's kind of our direct eyes and ears on site. uh He will be on site starting april.

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15Th he had some winter construction that is, wrapping up will be available after that time.

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And then severino mark rainey, the project manager, severino and roger rivet, who is.

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The superintendent uh who's on the ground he's, I'm sure, you've seen him already, but that is severeign.

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The total project overview there's sagamore ave running down the middle. There.

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um North of the creek uh has been substantially completed, but that is sagamore ave, cliff road.

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Shaw road whopper bungalow, that was about six thousand feet of sewer a little bit of water.

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Service switching over and then what we're here to speak about tonight is south of the creek. So.

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Sagamore ave from the bridge to roughly where the moose lot got, the moose lodge got redeveloped.

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Wentworth house road all the way to the rystown line so we're at bg's and then sagamore grove.

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That's about 2500 feet of sewer main and then a water main installation on sagamore road as well.

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So the bid award and pricing bids received december 21st uh 21. uh The base bid was awarded at.

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That time it was substantially completed last year in december of 2022, due to our funding structure.

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We held awarding the uh add alternates, so the south side of the creek and the private side.

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Where, until appeared, the next fiscal year began so july of 2021, which is why that work was offset.

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We have phase one of private side connections on the north side of the creek that have been.

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Underway so this we have a number of properties that are actually connected to the functional.

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Sewer on the north side of the creek already and then phase, one of the private side connections.

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South side of the creek were awarded and partially the number of properties out.

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There properties that wish to connect, um and that is under contract that will have to wait.

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Until after the sewer main is completed, because we cannot connect houses to sewers that don't.

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Exist yet, but we are under contracts to have that work done, that moves us to phasing foreign.

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Er is not enjoying all right uh generally. What I've already stated that the green.

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Was substantially completed for the sooner main in the street and uh the private side.

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Connections have been ongoing, uh they're at uh severino's ability to do so with manpower and time.

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um Then the south side of the creek we have a swimming that needs to be installed.

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And the water main, that is, the red box- is really this phase of construction right now,.

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uh The I will be passing this off to kevin at this point thanks. I appreciate it. So let's do.

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A quick overview of the construction schedule, or particularly expects going on over the next six.

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To nine months um at the end of march cereal trucking, in the end um there are probes to.

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Confirm some of the leg steps in between some of the larger gaps uh dixon's already occurred.

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They're not expecting any free black surveys that would be happening in the near future.

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If needed, to clarify that they're not expecting to blast, that's you wouldn't need the pre-blast.

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Surveys to be done, if blasting does happen, we would still need to do that. Correct uh traffic.

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Control has been set up for the destruction that's ongoing. uh They recently started work in the dot.

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Right away, student dot was willing to start about two weeks earlier than expected, which was great.

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Hopefully, that allowed them to get out of the road before some of the summer traffic comes through.

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um Rock excavation has already begun and we'll continue throughout the summer.

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um Some saying we're creating we're expecting this work to be done by december of 2023, and we expect.

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The final opinion that d.o.t roads to be done. This fall, I didn't say where it go next spring.

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uh Product side work will kind of overlap structure depending on um how much rock.

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They're running into a crew, availability and mlg is being signed by the residents.

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So we had another similar list today at the meeting, but these are.

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The key contacts of the project, so roy babylon again as zach you mentioned, is.

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um See he's kind of offered on site just to make sure it was. Any issues is a contact with.

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The residents to talk to roger rivet is the same, similar contact for several trucking and.

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Then zach's the key contact if the city has been really great with this project.

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Thank you, foreign a.m and 6 p.m, contractually progressing to work. So we expect excavation to be.

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Going initially if needed, blasting would occur, but again it's time we're not expecting that.

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uh After the next space been performed, they would install the main after install the main they come.

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Back and install the sewer services, and also they do side restoration, a similar prosthetic.

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Curve for the private property work after the mainland works, please uh traffic control and.

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Access, so we expect this to be alternating, one-way traffic. We don't expect any true detours on this.

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Broad here there'll be signage, portable message, boards and swaggers. um We don't expect any true.

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Road closures, I don't believe right marks, though yeah all right and then um parking. We think the.

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Old places might be slightly issue to be on segment road and I think the contracting plan.

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To handle this so they'll handle it last seer on cliff drive, which is basically just after.

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The coordinating the residents to make sure we're working together to dissolve any issues.

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um So projects are the shop prices dusty and loud. We have medication practice in this. For that so.

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Include street sweeping and water truck to release the dust to the maximum instead of the practical.

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Other potential impacts so there'll be some water service interruption on cellular grove.

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We're replacing the water main, it could be some fun spiritual impact attention to this project.

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um One of the contracts work in front of your house is getting directed where you.

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Crash that box paint typically would be for um the contract over you guys for that to.

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Make sure that's uh working as needed and when the contracts in front of your house they may.

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Be restricted access to you right away again, it has the issues coordinated with them and.

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They get to their best to try and get you want to do your property is, but as they can.

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So the the northern part of the product requires some blasting only on about 700 bucks track of the.

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Project but um it would be a conserving thing: the residents need one to bring it up at this meeting.

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And this county currently don't anticipate it, but if it were to move forward, it's basically a.

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Quicker process remove bedrock, so it can expedite the contract which time so on project house.

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The exact locations are unknown, but it basically be locations where there's more.

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Or less or currently anticipating uh before they can perform blasting, they either need.

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To get a city or actually a dot permit to form that word. The contractor reach out to.

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Form some building inspection. At the end of time, we recommend signing up for that.

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List it helps you get this one outreach out in the back and there's any issue. That is all.

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From the last day, we have some clear information, we'll discussion, the resident and the contractor.

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um If connor is move forward, lasting is a call list get on that list, so they can.

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Give you a phone call right before they start the glass you're, not surprised.

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uh The day of the blasting there's a pre-blast notification and they use some fog boards to kind.

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Of library, you know this is an internal blast. We expected. So it's three horns before the blast two.

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Horns two wins for the blast and then one more one more excuse me when it's all clear to proceeding.

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Lasting times, 8 a.m to 4 p.m. It's a little bit tired window, which.

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Is going to typically try to do two per day use around 11am 2 p.m. Today,.

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I built this form: what's the forms filled out and started along the contractor, uh they sent.

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Along with their insurance, company will not be directly depending on the situation.

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um For communication throughout the project, so there's a project website that has a bunch of.

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Historical information and it's updated occasion with additional information, so they were to come.

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Up there's an email sign up if you signed up on the check-in list here about exact access.

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Your email, so we can give you updates, be for other information and contacts act directly at the email.

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Show on the sheet and again, as I mentioned, please sign an attendance sheet if you haven't already.

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That one I'll pass practice action they've already seen this project. Yes, so uh frequently.

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Asked questions we've gotten, and this is in this section of uh presentation- is for the summer rain.

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In the street we do have the private property questions, but uh this one is going to pertain to.

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In the right of way, um so the sewer system itself, how will residents know if system is clogged so.

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The swimming to the street uh there would be uh your pump would alert you to that. It would tell.

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You that it's no longer pushing into the sewer system with a very loud alarm, even here inside.

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Of your house um and flashing light, I will let you know: let's hold off on using some water right now,.

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um And either call the city to see if it is in roadway or if it is. If you determine that it is.

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Your pump, then that would be uh within the first year there's a warranty um from severing over the.

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Workmanship and then a five-year warranty from e1, which is uh through mahoney, who is the local.

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Representative for environmental impulse I'll provide that information to the homeowners. It's.

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All the control panels- yes, it is in the control panels, yep, they have a pretty good website. We.

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Did have the e1 wrap come out and actually give presentation as far as a design on this as well.

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um The impacts of our property, the system is clubs, the sewer main there is a double.

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Check valve at the curb stop that prevents any sewage that is in the main, coming onto.

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Our property, so that would prevent uh anything from backing up into the property, as well as a.

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Backflow uh check valve in the pump itself, so that would prevent anything from the system.

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From sewer mains coming onto your property, uh could the tank back up into the yard if.

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That alarm is going off and you continue to use water. Then it does have a possibility of ignore.

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Overflowing of the tank, you go into your yard, but it it's smart enough to tell.

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You that you should stock using water and take a look at it before you get to that.

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Several layers of protection edition, so let people know the stuff exist. Yes,.

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Yes, septic system would not tell you that and keep on blowing water forever.

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um All right uh plan for blasting notifications: uh we have a pretty robust uh blasting permit system.

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Here in portsmouth that involves inspections or sidewalks of properties and a 500 foot radius of.

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Blasting sites um we highly suggest it blasting does occur, which we don't expect, but if it does.

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Occur if you work with contractors to get a baseline of everything on your property and then.

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Compare it to anything after should anything happen, and then you did see about the last.

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Notifications, uh day of uh when blasting be held off until all the pre-blast surveys are completed.

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There's a procedure in there with multiple notification attempts from the contractor.

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So they would hold off for as long as feasible at proving that they've reached out multiple times.

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To provide to do the pre-blast surveys, but it is ultimately on the residence to allow them in to do.

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Pre-Blast surveys such an amount feasible. Yes, we would hold off on blasting until pre-blast.

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Surveys are done, but after the multiple attempts of reaching out to that swen construction does.

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Move forward and it's hop in there. What they do is that yeah anything the residents can do to help.

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That process of belong to the contractor wants to get out to record your house down the street, keep.

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Moving along through its lives of an impact, their little neighborhood, so the point where.

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You can respond if those surveys ever do go out, be much appreciated just to keep this moving on.

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So should blasting happen. uh We have included uh the line item, uh radon testing that is going.

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Into the lowest part of the house, where red owner collected slow-line gas and installing.

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A meter it would sit there for a few days, then contractor comes back, collects it and.

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Yeah determines the level of radon if the radon is existing already above acceptable levels, you'd be.

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Informed of that, the city has not done anything. That's that information. This doesn't really just.

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Want this to move the project forward, that's not trying to be punitive in any way. This would be.

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Free and post blessing, free and posts, but if you are free, is above acceptable levels, then we would.

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Not do a post because the homeowner would have to do something about their property, um their own. We.

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Recommend it, you know, we recommend it wouldn't happen. We recommended to do their own mitigation.

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um Then you know good results to begin with uh then redo after blasting and should the level.

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Rise to uh above acceptable levels then work with the homeowners to rectify the situation.

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Quick question in terms of blasting: just uh you don't anticipate on the mainline stuff. Is it.

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You also don't anticipate it on if any residents wanted to connect to, or is that sort of that's the.

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Question: where is it on the residential side or is it on the main lines, uh both okay, so.

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You still might hit some you've done. Some probing, though so you're pretty confident. What's there? Yes,.

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Yeah they've done some warnings and then they went down through on their own as well and kind of did.

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Some borings in between uh what the contract has on implants, just not going to verify. Okay and.

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Then, if construction damages my property, who do I call roy babylon, is in our eyes and ears on site.

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Get him and go over fill out d with the form and which points an investigation will go forward to.

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Look into the situation: if anything has happened, we then go through uh civilian assurance. There.

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They would reach out to work with you before yeah, so once we get the complaint form from.

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Wright pierce, that comes to us we hand it over to maine building a blasting who would.

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Be a subcontractor and then we would work with their free blast survey person and.

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Their insurance company to and you know, and the homeowners insurance company to.

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Rectify it right and uh again, the product is on slide. 10 of this presentation, an example that.

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Forms on slide 13 that they would look back to this app on this. This presentation will.

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Be available on the city's website uh video, as well as a pdf of this presentation, review.

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So now we'll move to the private property work.

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So this slide, I'm sure a number of you have seen before the city is installing.

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The sewer main in the right-of-way, so that is everything to the right of that dotted line.

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So that's the sewer main, a sewer, lateral and a curb stop at the edge of the property line.

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Then, if the property owner chooses to connect to the sewer, everything on the left would then.

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uh Mou would be signed to allow the contractor to do work. uh The city would cover the cost of.

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Connecting the pump to the house purchasing the pump and the stretch that the property owner will.

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Be responsible for is that white line, which is the sewer lateral from the ejector port of the pump to.

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The curb stop at the edge of the right-of-way that was done to keep these roughly the same.

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Cost to the resident as gravity service connections uh don't require pumps.

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I would say if the owners cost like how what's the payment mechanism, the payment mechanism, we do go.

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Over that, in a couple slides, it is the 10 years zero percent interest loan should the homeowner.

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Elect to do that or there's the option to pay uh in full upfront and on the right we see the e1.

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Pump which pump uh selected and designed around for the sewer system uh very robust. We have a.

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Number of these already installed in the city and uh at city-owned locations such as bathrooms, on.

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Portrait island very robust and really more of an appliance, and uh we picked this one because it is.

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Very high quality and very durable, the vast majority of that is very disturbate. Yes, the.

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Top three we saw you'll be able to see the best warrior, that's buried on the ground. So yes- and we.

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Can see examples of that in the next slide as well, so this is not in the sagamore area, but this is.

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In portsmouth two separate houses that green cap, you saw roughly two two and a half feet. Diameter.

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And uh ski winches up the green does blend. In with the lawn we had to put.

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Arrows to show where it is on the left and then there is the control panel box.

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um That has the information, the alarm the light, and that is on the right. You can see it.

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Right with the electrical box of that other property there, so it looks pretty good.

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So uh we prioritization of the connections. These are as the mousse come in, but when we.

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Get them it is systems on holding tanks due to the environmental impacts of being holding.

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Tank then the documents and failed septic systems again because the environmental.

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Impacts uh septic systems that predate 1905 due to age and then at owner's request.

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We are continuing funding for private site connections through fiscal year, 28 additional.

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Outreach for people who have not signed mous or have designs completed already. uh We plan to send.

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Out uh in the spring of this year, so very shortly you can expect additional information shortly.

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uh The potential connection scenarios are that you've already scheduled the site visit.

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You already have a sign completed. You have the mou so working through those connections. Now.

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On the north side at least, and then after the sewer is installed themself, we work.

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Through those and then may want to connect at a future date and go over that subsequent slide.

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Right, the mous are the memorandums of understanding, so it has a legal.

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Documentation allowing severino to come onto the property or the contractor after severeign.

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Legal documentation allowing the work to be done by the city's contractor under the.

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City's contracts, it stipulates the payments schedule as well, whether that's the 10 year.

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Zero percent explode or full um it also. That document does include a a lien document, just.

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To make sure that the repayment does happen um and stipulates that at the sale of a property.

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um At that time, in order not saddle the next owner with an unknown cost, that is the general.

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Mlb instructor, like it's written up by the city of portsmouth uh three years of beauty,.

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Oh yeah, what is included from the private property work? uh The cost estimate to all.

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Properties, so that's the design sheet that a number of you already seen, but it is your.

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Property with the pump shown on it and uh where across the property, it will go along with two.

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Cost estimate sheets, one of the cost estimate or the private homeowner, as well as the cost.

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Estimate for the city portion of work showing that the city is connecting under the property.

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um Like I said before, the zero percent interest loan- uh that's a 10-year repayment period that.

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Would come not on your water and sewer bill, but it would come more or less in the same envelope.

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And that would begin after the final. uh After the all of the work is done on the private property.

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So finishing loaming and seating um would be when billing for that work to get done.

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The cost shown on those mousse were based on the bid prices that we received.

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um San marino, during the bidding process, they did very very much uh site to site and complexity to.

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Work some properties were farther back. Some are very close. Some have a lot of ledge some.

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Have their septic far in the back of the property, so they did very, very much property of property.

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And the cost uh included the service lateral length and the anticipated restoration over.

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That it's to you, know, excavate put in the pipe and restore the ground.

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There, too, that those costs were good through those current improves, so people have already.

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Signed mousse or ever cws to be signed. Yes, future phases. We need to get additional pricing due to.

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Just escalation of inflation over the last two years since these bits came in yes, yes, so.

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Yeah, that's actually the next slide. Oh sorry, uh the process to connect, if you wish to connect and.

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Already have the design done, uh we will distribute the mou to you as we already have the design done.

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And uh it's under the first change order contract. So if you've already reached out uh as interested.

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To connect and want to be mou, um that is, this process is executing or signing the mou that.

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Does include having it notarized by everybody on the deed of the property, we have a notary.

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Here at city hall and the city clerk's office, who would notarize no charge because it's city project.

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And then it goes to the legal department or vinyl review and then.

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Explicit happens, uh roger would reach out to schedule a time and make that information.

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See there are unknowns on that cost estimate document um depth of ledge.

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Can be very difficult to estimate, we did try to be conservative with that number.

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We found that the connections on the north side emotionally come in below, but we cannot guarantee.

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That that would happen for you. We were trying to be fairly conservative on the leg estimate.

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But reach out to me um for additional information on that or if you.

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Want to ask questions about your current mou. This is the process for properties that did not have a.

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Design done not gone through that mou process, so you need to reach out to me so that we can have.

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Severino right, pierce or subsequent contractor after severino has has finished their work. That.

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They're under contract for the cost estimates may be different. We cannot guarantee that future cost.

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Estimates needed pricing would remain the same, for that is simply because we've about severino under.

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Contract for so long, the number of properties that we've already executed at a fair amount.

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Of outreach to try and get as much interest as possible, um but if you would like to connect, we.

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Would need to hear by december of 2026 while we are finalizing funding for fiscal year, 28.

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And that would follow the you know. The items from the previous slide would be the process.

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After that- and it is just contact me- get you on the list of um we wish to connect.

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Frequently asked questions of private property work. Do homeowners need to connect to this serum.

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No you're not forcing anybody to connect in the sewer, there's a connection at will.

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um uh The sewer rates should you connect in uh when the sewer rates begin. We have.

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Been notifying the building departments when the pump is operational and discharging against sewer.

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um That it is based on the water usage of the property, so the water meter reads how.

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Much water comes into the property, which is uh estimation of how much within go into the sewer.

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We've had a couple questions about irrigation systems that we do have an irrigation system or.

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Irrigation meter process that you would like to have an irrigation meter to put into your house.

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There's a process on the city's website. We are not forcing anybody to connect in or use a an.

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Irrigation meter, but we do have irrigation meters available. There would be some internal plumbing.

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That the polymer would need to do in order to connect one of those, but it would then read.

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That water usage separately you'd be charged for that water, but not for the sewer usage.

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The owner chooses not to connect now the cost change. This is.

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Yes, yes, it was more than likely the unit prices will change. We only have severino.

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Under contract for so long um so they may not be the contractor that does future connections.

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um And they are within their contractual right to renegotiating the prices for subsequent change.

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Orders so more than likely yes, costs would change and then the cost sharing the the cost sharing.

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That we've made available to residents is going to stay the same until fiscal year, 2028. at which.

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Point that program will end and connecting into the sewer, would be at the cost of the residents.

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So the cost sharing structure, which is the 10-year zero percentage of loan city paying for the pump.

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Connecting it to the house upgrades to the house if necessary, and then the homeowner paying for.

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The ejector pump is there the lateral from the eject report to the curb stop that structure.

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Will not change until fiscal year, 2028, which point that program would no longer be available? Who is.

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Writing the memorandum of understanding, which is the mou a city legal department, has written that.

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Up, we do have a draft example. If you would like to see reach out to me, make that available to you.

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And then describe the process for those wanting an inspection that is to contact either myself roy.

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If you see him on site and roger, you can take a look at the properties and see what it would take.

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To connect you, uh the right person to create the designs, create an estimate and then understanding.

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So I know that was a lot all at one time. Sorry, um so now we can move on to uh questions.

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uh My question is that we've finished the north part.

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Then I live in the south part, so I can do a member random of understanding and an inspection.

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Or is that not ready yet, but we can do um uh sorry, we can do an inspection design for your property. I.

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Believe we have a design for you. I don't know you put in your property and change order. One.

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um I believe your son did reach hours, [music] okay, so whatever this, if that was your change order, one.

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No, that was a dedicated list that was a separate photo documents, so I need to take a look.

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I think you're during the initial design. I think your father was.

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Still on the property, and uh we weren't able to get inside to take a look at.

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I'll make sure that both I'll email you to follow up on that. Okay, thank you. You want to call me I'll.

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Swing through monday through friday, get right, pierce involved and okay. That way, if we you.

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Know if there's any changes, they can give you a more accurate cost breakdown if we actually.

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Get to look at and see where your septic is and sure all that, so I always want to meet up next.

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Week, just let us know we'll get the ball rolling and I believe you're actually ready to connect.

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Because he's on the previous installed yeah yeah, so the reason when it moves like this redevelops.

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um They came out uh crossed in front of your property. I even know where it's at the engineer at.

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The time uh this kid plays across me, so you marked it, and I know where, where it's at so all right see.

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Us sub and are are ready to connect onto so that you wouldn't even need to wait for the steward to.

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Be installed if you were including the funding of the one. So I need to take a look at that.

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And that's my you've answered my question right there all right. I.

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Wanted to say that that uh 10 years, zero percent, no one's given that out anywhere.

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Thank you. We really did want to. uh I mean if people don't understand that you know thank.

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You it's a good benefits. Hopefully people are responsible. Well, maybe if someone listens to that.

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They're, giving me saying it as chris knows a house that I've always had to pay x amount for whatever.

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Yeah, that's something free pump electrical upgrade. The zero interest is great we're getting getting.

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The first pump is it's not really hard to explain to someone yeah. We want people to connect in yeah.

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Thank you. We can. We can open up some questions to the the online uh if you'd like.

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Any uh there's these hand raising feature, uh I believe it's the bottom of the screen.

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You guys, if you have any questions, foreign.

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It's a plastic pipe, so you don't get a lot of there isn't a lot of cost increase in.

E

That what we've seen kind of the biggest cost increase has been the pump itself, which is.

E

What the city is is paying for. So not that I'm saying hold off, because pricing will go up, but.

E

The big the biggest bulk of that is, is what the city is paying for. So that's one benefit.

E

um And then the other thing is the mousse, um like the gentleman had just said, he's he's actually.

E

Able to to book on now, and if you, if you get those signed right away, if you want to get on it's a big.

E

Benefit to get that ahead of time and get it done roger will go out right, pierce to their best to.

E

Try and design your tie-in as best if they could, but sometimes we'll go into the house and say: oh.

E

Gee, your septic is coming right out right out of the front so instead of going around your house or.

E

Through a driveway, we can zip up the side. You know a lawn area and tie you in um for a much lesser.

E

Cost so the sooner we can get those in the city can get those in as soon as we can look at your.

E

Property, um you know it's a benefit to everybody, and we've actually worked uh on that with a couple.

A

Of properties on the north side, yeah, yes, where you've been able to redesign with the expertise.

A

Of severino and unders too short enough or find a more advantageous alignment, um everyone's benefit.

A

Benefit than it is the cities, so if we could rewrote the plumber in the.

C

City's putting a bill for that and it's it's yes.

B

Questions yeah the environmental benefit, as well as having users using a sewer system is one of the things it.

B

Helps our the system is like: we need the flows to keep on making sure it flushes of maintenance.

B

Which will maintenance? Yes, and I believe robert went about eight to ten dailed subway systems.

B

Sorry, it's not electronics, so yeah there isn't a clear environmental benefit of the study is.

B

Even currently operating systems, it's uh borrowed my world benefits and now smart. uh No, thank you.

A

uh Barring any any online comments rocco, I'm I'm happy correct. Thank you.

A

We will uh wrap this up. I would, I would say too, if there's any questions, make sure yes sac new.

B

um If you didn't think of them at the meeting today, then feel free to reach out to them.

B

All right, thank you, hope you have a good night.