City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Safe Water Advisory Group, 8 Mar 2023

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3.7.2023 Safe Water Advisory Group

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Okay, no okay, good evening, everyone, uh brian getz,.

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What resources director deputy director of public works city portsmouth here tonight for.

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March, 7th save water advisory group turn over to andrea to go around the room. Hey everybody.

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um Andrea amico co-chair of the swag with brian thanks for joining our first meeting of 2023.

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um We have an agenda put together that we sent out to all of you and we have some guests from.

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Dover here tonight, who are going to present to us so we're appreciative of making the.

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Trip and looking forward to hearing what they have to share with us. um I think the.

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First thing we'll do is probably introductions just so everybody knows who everyone is again.

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Andrea amico, portsmouth resident and co-chair of the swag with brian and I'll ask it this way.

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City resin hillman, I'm a city, resident assistant.

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The use of a student representative, christine I'm consultant to the dover group.

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uh Gretchen young, I'm the environmental projects manager for the city of dover.

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Consultant project manager for the google mental group, one resource manager for the.

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City convinced lombardi of the city councilor, which blaylock I'm also a city councilor.

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And I'm john store, I'm the director of community services for the city of dover. Thank you, friends.

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A mesa of the water quality analyst for the city of portsmouth, okay, uh we have two attendees, but.

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They're, not uh swag members, so we will uh oh there we go. I think, just in time is laurel's.

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Vote her to panelists and then she can introduce herself. So it's good timing.

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Are you there laurel.

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Hi everyone good evening, good evening, it's good to have someone that can give us a little feedback if.

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uh What you're seeing on the screen? It's always a challenge here to know exactly what we're going.

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To get ready to share screen I'll blow the agenda so laurel um good to have you here and we you just.

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Came in right as everybody else got introduced, so good timing. Let me share the screen of our.

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Agenda for andrea.

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What's always a struggle there, we go great. So this is uh what we plan to.

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Cover tonight we're quickly going to go over the survey results that all of you filled up.

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For us, thank you for that brian's, going to give us a brief year in review of 2022.

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um And then we'll pass it over to representative muse who will give us some updates on legislation.

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In new hampshire and then we will hear from our guests from dover on the toll, landfill have q a at.

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The end and then open it up for public comment um before we get started the one order business need.

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To do is approve our minutes from the december meeting, so if we could have a motion to do that.

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Swag minutes second, and it's everybody in favor of approving those minutes. Yes,.

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One agreement: okay, uh next slide, please real quick! Let me ask laurel: she is seeing.

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Slides change laurel. Are you seeing the slides james change on your uh your end,.

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Yeah, I'm I'm seeing the slides change, it's not in um presentation mode. So I see the small versions.

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Of the slides on the left, but yeah I'm seeing the slides, okay, I I think it's a matter of.

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This system, but uh look we're almost full screen here, so that that's kind of good, so, okay I'll.

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Turn it back over, there wait all right and then just briefly, I wanted to update all of you on the.

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Survey that we did send out uh 10 of you completed it. Thank you so much and um really the goal was.

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Just to make sure we're scheduling the meetings at dates and times that work for most people, we.

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Know we all have various commitments and that's hard to do sometimes uh tuesdays and wednesdays.

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Were the best days to meet so we'll try our best to schedule, meetings on those sites um and 6 30 to.

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8 30 was the best meeting time for the majority of the group, so we will try to work within that.

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Time frame as well and then really we just wanted to get feedback from all of you on future topics.

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And what the swag should be focusing on in our meetings- um and this was the votes that we had.

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Received so uh seven votes for other sources of p fascinicity that could impact water supply.

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um There was also seven votes for public outreach around watershed, drinking water sources and also.

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Legislative updates and then uh for four votes again: how city emergencies, impact water supply.

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And uh coakley landfills impact to drinking water, uh three boats legionnaires one vote.

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Over overall water system, supply infrastructure, uh wastewater, ccm, 137 and then lead from itsy's.

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Impacting children so uh again, thank you for everybody who filled out the survey.

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It's really helpful for brian and I, as we plan our meetings and make sure we're covering topics that.

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Are pertinent to all of you and the community and the different perspectives that you bring.

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um And if there's any concerns that come up, you know please just let us know, because we want to.

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Make sure we're addressing concerns that are relevant to our community, and so that was it.

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If and we'll just move on to our acceptance, I I think a good basis for uh what we'll probably.

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Try to narrow down for the next meeting so uh first up very quickly, you're in review.

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um As you know, one of the initiatives of this group was to do quarterly updates, which is what.

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We've we've been doing, we actually took what was a monthly update and turned into.

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Quarterly and then the year in review, which we did last year so I'll zip through our look at.

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Last year um for the st cloud advisory group, uh first, first off precipitation.

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uh This time last year we were looking at pretty dry conditions again, and we saw that pretty much.

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um Though we did have, you know pretty good february and pretty good april. So if you see.

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The the screen here, the the light blue, is average in the dark blue is the amount of.

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Precipitation we got so we were less than average all the way through until july. We.

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Finally, got some pretty good rains. August was a kind of average september, wet october, wet and.

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Then november and december combined pretty well so the end of year, um the second half of the year.

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Was really good for recovery? We continue to be on that path. We were kind of in a wet pattern.

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February was dry, but january was wet and we're back to but again um right now- um and this is.

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uh Pretty much where we stood with the drop monitor as of october, we were recovering and.

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Then, of course right now, this is fairly current. There is no drought to speak of in the entire.

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State moment, that's that's been the first time in a long time that we've seen a map like that.

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um Overall weather of boston globe, so stephanie c chords now with us tonight, but uh she likes to.

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Provide this summary: she does a little snapshot of this every year and um I don't I've never run.

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Across one for our region, specifically portsmouth, but this boston globe, one is very interesting. It's.

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More of a broad look of temperatures and uh again above normal temperatures, it's been trending that.

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Way for a while um they do have 150 years of record and july was the third warmest august.

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The third warmest in november uh warm as well, so I think we all experienced that up here as well.

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um This, if there's one graph that helps al and I talk about water supply, it's this one. So this.

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Is the bellamy reservoir and um we had kind of the drought of record in 2016, followed by you.

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Know kind of some average weather for the the next few years, nothing extreme, and then we moved right.

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Into 2020 drought, which was right behind the 2016 recoveries, both times were quite quick. You know it.

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Takes about a pouring terrain combined for uh to see the recovery in the reservoir and as you can.

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See from the dots it takes a while for that draw down and for the drought to like actually begin.

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But getting out of the drought ended quickly. I think I've said before this group too, that.

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The drought is one emergency that we can sort of predict or you can see coming because you know.

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It's slow coming, and you know hats off to al and staff for dealing with that and, as you saw from.

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The precipitation we were you know heading that way this year again too, and then july came and got.

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Wet and right now, where our conditions are looking good, we see the same thing in our groundwater.

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Table so we drought conditions back in sorry about the being able to see the the bottom there.

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But this is uh right around 2014 2015, so this is a drought and this is showing low groundwater levels.

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We had recovery and right now we're in really good conditions, and and some of that too, I've talked.

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About are strategy of using the service water when it's there, we we save the groundwater for the dry.

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Times and for peak usage, this is the overall water supply al. Does this graphic, which is a really good.

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Indicative of where the water comes from, and so the the dark blue is the amount of surface water.

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In a million gallons, so the bellamy reservoir, we took 833 million gallons of the bellamy. The.

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Light green is the amount of million gallons out of our groundwater sources for portsmouth and then.

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The peas, groundwater sources and we've got a little more info on peas right here, and this.

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Is the breakdown of all the sources of supply? One thing that joined the club so to speak for.

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Our supplies was the introduction of madbury. Well 5.. That's our though it's it's not! It's.

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The fifth wheel of madrid, but well one, does not exist anymore, so we have two through five and.

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You can see combined how much those wells do mad very well. 5 is pumping very nicely the greenland.

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Well is a good producer, groundwater, wise and then portsmouth collins, but as you can see, the bulk.

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Of performance supply comes from the surface water from the bellamy and then over here for.

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The ports of the peas source smith, harrison and with behaving well back online. This used to be.

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The portsmouth water that we had to supplement peas when the haven was offline, but now with.

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Treatment we've been able to bring that back into service and that's been a good source and.

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The good news there is, you know, less water, less stress on the portsmouth system because of that.

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um Here's our water sales, we're trending. I know there's a lot of discussion about all.

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The development in the city and where's all the water coming from well there's is quite a bit.

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Of redevelopment, it seems to be fairly efficient when it comes to water usage, and we see efficient.

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Efficiencies through this trend- and um you know so we're not seeing a big adult curve of our big.

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Curve up of water demand on our customer side attribute to this a little bit to a success or.

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A rebate program we're at about over 1500. Now this was as of a fiscal year and 22, which was june 30th.

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Of last year, so we continued this now we're well over 1500 rebates for the low flow of toilets and.

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The washing machines, and with that I've started to calculate you know what are the savings of that so.

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You know just some rough estimates: if people have three and a half gallon toilet replaced.

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It with a 1.28, you know, and it's a family of four flushing four times a day each. You know.

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These could go up and down bigger family, smaller family, more plushes, less flushes, but um you know.

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Just using that standard and then one load of laundry a day, a inefficient top leg, washing.

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Machine uses, 40 gallons, is was surprising to me to find out how much water on one of those machines.

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Can use when you, um you know, fill up all the way. High efficiency washer is 13, gallons per load, so.

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We're estimating a savings about 50, 000 gallons, which is reducing our water demand by 1.4 percent.

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um In the grand scheme of things that doesn't seem like much, but if we were to need that much more.

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Source and it was a groundwater source- that's a permit anything over 42, 000 gallons a day would.

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Require a state permit for um and then our water balance, um so the blue is the amount of water we.

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Pump in the system, the green is the amount that we sell. The orange is that differential.

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um And you can see how we're closing that gap- and this is through our leak.

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Detection through our meter program- and um you know, tracking down water loss so.

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um We're about as low as we've been we're sitting right around four percent. So when we add all those.

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Numbers up that differential is about four percent anytime, you get below five, it's it's very good per.

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The state we're supposed to be below 15 um 10 is like the industry standard. So the fact that we're.

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Doing this well and a big credit to staff out there that really worked hard on leak, detection.

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um And then al, um so this is uh our bellamy reservoir. I know dover. Here's is here to talk.

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About the tolland um in the reservoir, um a big effort that we've been making.

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um Also in concert with dover, um they have some sources in dover, actually in 2018.

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um Acquired some land adjacent to the reservoir, that's now protected and we al got the uh the.

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Two acquisitions in 2018 and 2020, and we're currently working on one down here that has.

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Gone through council and al we're at the point of you know, hopefully closing out soon closing.

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The deal yeah, we did get approval from the state for funding. For that too two and then.

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Just summon out all those properties there, uh the collins wells moving forward. We did pump testing.

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You can see the existing collins. Well, is here the new collins well so similar to the madbury wells.

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uh Two through uh five um we have. This will be now collins. Well one and this I know this graphic says.

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Collinsworld b, and what do we call it? Well, it's collins wall too, so that has been pump testing.

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We've submitted the report, I think, but now you give us an update, we're still waiting for the.

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Final report from everybody care: we did the public test in october and everything looked good from.

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That all the water quality came back, so I just needs to go through the state to get our permit.

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And get that by the summer time, so we could use as well as a backup well in case something wrong.

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Our little bit of water transmission main so we are currently working with.

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The durham townodorum for access through wagon hill, so this is the water main.

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That runs all the way down if you're familiar with emory farm and wagon health farm over in durham.

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Our water main goes into wagon hill, it splits down and goes under little bay and then back up on fox.

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Point and so we're in the process of finalizing permitting and land um agreements to get down to.

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The waterfront we do have a pretty good easement, but it's really just to get the additional.

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um Area needed to to do actually the construction and and over so uh been working with john starr.

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um On this project and um the the bridge project, so there was article in the paper today about the.

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The state trying to get some federal funds for the bridge project we if they get the.

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Federal funds, we we already have some federal funds. um Three and a half million dollars has.

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Been earmarked through senator shaheen to put a pipe on the bridge and then on either side that.

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We work on either side. The project is overall, a 7.2 million dollar project. So three and a half is.

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Half of that money and then we'll see what we do to acquire additional monies we're going to keep.

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Our efforts to work with the state, but ultimately it it- would link all the systems up here to the.

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Systems down here, which gets us all the way down to seabrook from rochester all the way down to.

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Seabrook- and this is the last link, all the other systems are in are connected in one way or another.

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Or the pipes are just right next to each other, so that would close close the loop so to speak.

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As I mentioned, mad very well upgrades so we'll put the boards back online and uh on our quality.

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Mason casares is with us mason's our water quality specialists in charge of the lab and sampling and.

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You might see them out and about doing the same thing. On tuesday I saw you from the corner on the.

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With that um actually mason's here tonight to become um he's going to sit in llc move.

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The board, so uh you may know that we also have the restoration advisory board, which andrew is.

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um Part of and uh co-chair of that one too so al is going to take my seat as representative.

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Restoration advisory board tim green who's, our chief plant operator out at peas, it's gonna be.

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The number two there so mason's gonna step up and he'll, be part of the state lawyer advisory.

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Group with me moving forward, not an official member but sort of you know technical support.

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In that so with that and he's here tonight, um so our performance on the p-pass treatment.

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um This is a good news story right now, with the removal of uh you know the filters that are online.

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Were well over 360 million gallons treated through our site on grafton drive, I know some of you came.

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To uh meeting we had where we took a walk around tomorrow, we actually have new england, waterworks.

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Is doing a pfas seminar, that's going to be a des over um fps and then at the end of the.

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Day, uh everybody's going to come and tour this facility, so it'll be a lot of people interested.

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um Alan tim will be taking them through, but these are the resin filters here and the carbon filters.

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Behind and then the sampling that we've been doing monthly for quite some time now we are.

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Getting ready to change out a couple of these filters, the media, to get them in a cycle of.

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um So they all don't um go at once, so uh that um I know on the agenda. We are talking about when the.

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Pfest regs may come out um the recommendated recommended epa um mcls, but these are the.

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Latest running average, so in new hampshire we have these four compounds and regulated we're.

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Supposed to do the fourth quarter running average of them, and this is uh where we're at right now.

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um The portsmouth well being kind of the highest concentrated one on the edge of the peas. I prefer.

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um We are working with a consultant to look at what type of treatment that system would.

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Possibly have to go on there should uh you know the regulations dictate that so we are.

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Working on that, similarly, we have in the cip treatment for the greenland. Well, so I think.

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The council has approved that and we're in design of that as well. Our preliminary design.

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uh So last, lastly, um every year the ds does stop by and they do a full tour.

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Of all our facilities and meet without they meet with me, meet with other staff.

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um We actually just got this reporting today, so they will do a final edit to the presentation.

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um And they said a couple nice things to us, which is really credit to al and his staff.

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um They especially you know liked our proactive aspects of uh you know: operations that have water.

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Conservation communication um and um succession plan for for staffing, so succession right here.

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With mason and no promises the long-term mason, but there you go, we gotta, you know.

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Get it get them in there and get them in the loop? That's how it works. You know so.

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um Anyway, and- and we do have some other great new staff- um you know uh we did uh unfortunately, for.

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John sake, uh we just started today at one of one of donors. Former employees came to work for us, so.

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That's not really the way we wanted to pan out, I mean I'm sure it happens with the fire department.

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It happens in police departments, it happens in consulting, um but uh you know it's really tough.

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It's really hard to get good employees. You know we've really been on the wastewater side as well.

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Or just overall technical stuff, so uh we're doing our our best there to step up. So uh with that.

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I guess if any questions in particular to that updater, we could move on to our legislative update.

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We're very early in legislative process right now, uh only a couple of the bills involving.

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Water uh and environment uh have even been acted yet on the communicative committee, so.

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um There's a lot of actions can happen over the next few weeks.

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um But for now uh it's a win just to know uh how many bills are out there and what they are.

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um Which you know we really weren't able to do until about a month ago.

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um But just just to give you an idea: there are over a thousand bills, a filed uh just in the.

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House uh in this particular legislative session to uh trying to track all of them is, uh is a it's.

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A it's quite a task, one of the things that um I think is sort of a theme with some of the builds.

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That we're seeing this year is uh the sighting of landfills is a big issue, and that's because of.

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What's been going on uh up north in dalton, where casella has been trying to build a new uh landfill.

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um uh Relatively close to uh to a state park up here, people in the community have objected.

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To and other people in the community that told those other people to get out of the.

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Way to sell what people build it, and so there's been a big fight around the.

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Whole issue of landfill, citing how involved the department of environmental services should be.

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How involved the legislature should be so what we have is a combination of bills where the.

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Legislature is trying to be in some of the very prescriptive around uh what can and cannot be.

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Done and then there are there's another group who can almost um that essentially would allow.

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Des to write the rules themselves, so the the bill that caused the big controversy last year.

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uh That wound up by dying over in the senate, but no it's actually viewed by the governor.

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um That particular bill is backed by its hp 56 uh and that's making its way, uh making its way.

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Through one that should be on your radar, although it's not a huge impact importance, because we don't.

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Have a ton of private wellnesses, we do have a um a private, well testing bill that I'm actually the.

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Prime sponsor of it was sort of the food of one of the foods of our labor, the seacoast long-term.

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Drinking water, commission and then several of us are on um the reason for that is that um uh aes.

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Gave us a uh an update on pfas contamination in new hampshire in private wells and.

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um Over a third of the crack of wells that they've done testing on uh tests above the mcl levels,.

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uh And almost two-thirds- and I think almost three quarters of them of the ones that were tested are.

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Testing positive for some level of pfas, most of the most of these problems are in the southern.

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Part of the state, you know where we have the biggest uh the biggest part of the problem, but.

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One of the things that it really did was it sort of opened a lot of people's eyes to the extent.

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Of the pfas problem out there, but I think we tend to think it's uh it's just aromatic around the.

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Single event plant or a quickly landfill- and it's nicest around that- and that really isn't the case.

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um There are lots of different ways that pfas is entering the environment and it is finding its.

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Way uh in private wells, so uh hb 205 would require uh testing for the four uh regulated pbs chemicals.

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um It would also require testing, I think, for over a dozen others, uh including radon um and.

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Arsenic require testing when new wells are actually drilled, so the weld installer would.

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Actually have to um would actually have to run the testing for you. There's some debating.

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Committee about whether or not to take the pfest part of it out, which would kind of break my heart.

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um But it uh if that's what we need to uh to get testing done with the other chemicals.

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It's better to have three quarters of a bill go through than have nothing to go.

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Through because we can always lend it and try to try again next year,.

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um uh Another bill called it will sound familiar to. Some of you is a bill that would establish.

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A a blood level testing requirement, but for children who are ready, preschool kindergarten.

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um We got that through the house last year, didn't quite make it through the senate. There have been.

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Some changes to it so fingers crossed we're going to get that through this year. There were also some.

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Appropriation bills and one of the ones I wanted to call your attention to is one that's actually.

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Already passed, hb 534 is actually in the hands of the finance committee now and what that would do.

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Is create a water resistance fund that can be used to repair and replace drinking water treatment.

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Sources that are actually damaged in catastrophes that distracted this traffic depends big weather.

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Events- things like that, um so it would, it would actually provide money for things of that nature.

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um Probably you know overall uh not as not quite as much legislation around the pfas issue itself.

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There are some bills that are kind of floating through the commerce committee. Now that would.

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In the use of food packaging containing pink vest materials, there's another bill in healthy.

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Human services that would require insurers to cover what they call preventive, p, fast care.

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So that would be the kind of care that, if you, for instance, a situation, I know andrew that you and a.

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Lot of the folks who keys are in is, you know, you have elevated levels of pfas and the question is.

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Is well well now what what kind of preventive care should a beginning who should be paying for it? So.

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The objective of that bill is is to clarify that that is something that should be covered uh in in.

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Your insurance in the state of new hampshire, um so that's another one, that's kind of basically making.

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This way through the process, and if you have a copy of the presentation, you have a list of.

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The bills and what I'll do is we have? Our meetings is I'll, provide updates on the status of them and.

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If they're, if you have any questions about where things are at just give me involved, it's very easy.

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Thank you so much.

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Please uh this slide is blank. uh The epa, as you all know, we had a presentation. I think.

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It was last summer with dr john vitale from new hampshire des who walked us through how the epa.

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Released some health advisories on um for pfas and that we should be expecting mcl levels to be.

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Released initially, it was supposed to be fall of 2022 um and it's now march of 2023, and we.

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Still have not received any updates from the epa, they have not officially announced their mcls yet.

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um So we will keep you all posted. I think we put that there hoping maybe we'd, hear something, but.

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um Nothing yet so I think a lot of folks are anxious to know what those numbers are, and it's.

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Important to know that, even when they set the set release, the levels for the mcls there's still a.

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Long process for that to get approved, um there'll, be public comment periods and all of that and it's.

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My understanding it will take like a year, I think, um or longer so at least yeah. So it's not like.

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Once they release the levels it's automatic, but I think it will so everybody will know. You know.

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It'll give us some idea of what to expect so so we are, you know. I've been working with al on this.

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I'll be out next week, if they announce it next week,.

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To be the spokesperson, but um hopefully it's not a going away. I think for me, but uh we've talked.

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To the state about this, um you know it it would be pending um regulations. So for now new hampshire's.

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Aren't the the markers for us, so we wouldn't immediately have to shut down sources or anything.

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Like that, because we follow new hampshire's mcls, which we believe are that we're very thoroughly.

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You know put together and analyzed and and and set, um but we'll see what uh you know. The epa comes up.

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With and again like andrew said, it's it's a it's a fairly long process that they'll be going through.

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um And I think, as as we know, um that's david said I mean this stuff is ubiquitous. I came across a.

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Most recently, um of course, yeah the uh the water keeper alliance did a survey of surface waters.

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And found it everywhere in every state um and some fairly high concentrations.

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um Around so I think, there's still, this assessment of you know places that have.

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Never even sampled, yet throughout the country, so um so we'll see see where it goes um right.

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All right, let's see so with that, I think we'll turn it over to our guests from dover to um give.

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Us a presentation on the total of landfill- and I think brian has some slides of theirs to pull up.

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Yes, but we'll let them gretchen and company you can reintroduce yourself. Let me let me just.

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Sure yeah, I will take a second so first of all, thank you so much for the opportunity to.

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Come speak with you um again, I'm gretchen young, so I am the environmental project.

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Manager for the city of dover, I've been with this city for about nine years now,.

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um But I have been in this role for two almost 30 years. uh I t so I'm one of the really new people.

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On this project, there's a long history with it uh dean, pachelle you'll, see in the slides.

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That there's actually a dover landfill group, so dover is one of a host of groups or a host of.

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um uh Members of this group and uh dean fishel is the project manager for the group as a whole.

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um He has a long history with the the project he was with the city of dover for many many years.

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um And has been part of the landfill project. Basically, since the beginning.

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um So he's got a lot of history. Also with me is christine binger um from bergantas she's.

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The consultant for the dover landfill group um and she's got a long history with the project.

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um So we're really fortunate to have some continuity with these two folks and then behind me.

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um Is john store, who is our community services director, and so I think, between the four of us.

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Hopefully we can answer all of your questions, I'm going to give you the overview um and then maybe.

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Kind of pull other books into and either technical questions or history, questions.

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So with that we're gonna um get going, I also wanted to say uh we'd like to give periodic.

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Updates we recently had a five-year review of the landfill from epa, and um so that sort of.

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Spurred the quote, to give a five-year or excuse me to give an update, so we recently went to dover.

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City council gave a very similar presentation to them to sort of update them on. um You know.

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The status of the project- and so you know we really appreciate the opportunity to be careful.

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All right so giving everyone a sense of where this uh site is so.

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um You can see kind of in the middle of the screen is the bellamy reservoir and then.

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That's yep exactly thank you. Thank you. I know I told brian. I might get up and start moving around.

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But uh so there's the bellamy reservoir to the north of that is uh where that former municipal.

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Landfill site is, and then you can see, there's the cochico river that comes meandering down.

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Right through there yeah and then actually just to the north, you can see a large wetland area.

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um Not sorry yep right up there, the hoppers um dover has two uh of our main um wells right up.

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In that area, it's all pretty wet through there and um uh christine can give you some more information.

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About the sort of geological reasons why that is but there's a lot of clay through that whole area.

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um And that's why, when the bellamy reservoir was down, why it is filling in and holding water.

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um So again the the um the landfill is just cut into the north of that right next slide.

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So the landfill has the way that the hydrology works through there, because.

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There's the cochico river to one side and the bellamy river. Now the reservoir to the other.

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um The way that hydraulics work is it comes down and goes through the main landfill area, which is.

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In bloom and um and then sort of divide, so it goes to the eastern plume, which goes to.

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The cochica river, which is not a drinking water source, it's more, um it's kind of you, know history.

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Of industrial use along there and then to the southern plume, what we call it, the southern.

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Plume area which does drink down towards the bellamy reservoir and then you can see, there's.

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A little purple circle- and I point that out because there is some talk of the northwest.

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Landfill area and on the plan below it, you can see it says, northwest landfill area, it sort of looks.

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Larger, but that purple circle is really the only area that we're talking about them yeah next, one.

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So um that is the watershed of the of the bellamy reservoir, so you can see the landfill site.

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um Actually, if you look close, the landfill site doesn't even fall into this outline.

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um It's right up in that tip the watershed is pretty uh large for the belgium reservoir, and this.

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Plant is actually taken because just to the south of the reservoir is where dover has an artificial.

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Recharge intake right there, that's one of our. uh We have a number of wells in that area and that's.

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um An artificial recharge, so we put this together when we were looking at the watershed of that.

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um And so it just kind of shows, I guess one just how large the the contributing area is into.

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Dover is also concerned about. You know: what's going into that watershed, because.

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That's a drink from the water source for us as well all right next next slide so.

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I mentioned that it's the dover landfill group. There are the potential responsible.

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um Parties, and so dover is about 42 they're, almost 43 uh one other contributor textron is.

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Another large amount and then the remaining 20 is uh a mix of other contributors.

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So that's how that breaks up next, so I'm going to take talk a bit about the history.

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So the uh landfill operated from 1960 to 1979. it's about 47 acres. It is not some landfills.

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um They found areas where the earth was kind of carved down, either naturally or worry, or for.

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Whatever reason, that's not how this landfills set up, so it's it's really kind of broad. It's.

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As 8 to 12 feet thick, so it's not really really thick. It sits on a layer of sand. uh Then there's.

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Something called an intubated which is, you know, sand mixing. It becomes a little bit thicker and.

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Then that marine play that's below it, um so it's a pretty large area, but not not all that big.

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Right next time, um just taking you through some of the contamination history, so in.

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1977, that's when the state first put in a monitor and well and found that there were.

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Some volatile organic compounds uh and arsenic president in that groundwater, so.

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um By 79, the landfill was then closed, taken out of operation and by 1983 uh it was included on the.

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National priority list, so it was not a super fun site yet, but it was on its way right next slide.

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uh 1984 through 1991., um I'm not going to get into all of these studies uh that went in, but.

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There was a fair amount of um investigation that was done at the site during that time.

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um When the epa did eventually issue their record of decision, that's when it became a.

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Super fun site, so it was being controlled primarily by the the federal government.

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um And that's when the dover landfill group started doing institutional controls, which.

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Meant there was, you know, prohibiting access to the site. There was some uh some of the wells that were.

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Right around the area were taken out and municipal water was brought through that area and then.

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We started the groundwater monitor program right next slide uh again, just kind of going through the.

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um The history here, the epa um in in the 90s in the early 90s, initially recommended that this.

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Would be a traditional cap uh landfill that kind of spurred on some additional.

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um Characterization of the of the soils of how the site was working, um some more investigation.

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Into the groundwater uh and how that how it was moving through the site and the next slide.

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um Also in 1983 that we started a very robust monitoring program and that's.

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Still in place now so there's been quite a bit of some changes to the monitoring.

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As it goes through, but it's been ongoing monitoring since then, and that continues now.

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um I apologize for all the text here, but uh 96 um we submitted uh 100 remedial uh or remedial design.

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um That was, you know 96, so things had changed and said, but uh really uh proposing to do a capture.

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And uh institute bioremediation approach, uh rather than doing that, traditional capping approach.

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um Epa did some review. There were some more testing, more pilot programs.

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um 2004 they issued their amended record of decision um and that's when we moved away from.

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The cap uh design- and I mentioned that it actually comes up a bit more in dover, but there are.

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um There's a fair amount of interest in reusing that site right now. It's just an open.

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um There was hope to do maybe some solar panels, um some other type of reuse and yeah.

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We have no reason to believe that we're going back to a capped type site, but um I just because uh it.

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Was originally an idea of having it, um the epa has not been comfortable with allowing really.

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Any rooms on that area, yet um then in 2006, so there was a trench put in at this time. They were.

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Collecting some runoff uh in 2006 and seven they did a southern plume uh pre-designed investigation.

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The sub includes what you all are most interested in. That's what's heading towards the bellamy.

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um The southern groundwater extraction operation went in in 2007 through 2011., uh that was about.

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A 4-h well that went in and was pumping uh from the center of mass pulling a lot of.

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The groundwater, the contaminated groundwater out and again at this time, we're kind of looking at.

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Those that those more traditional vocs um and then uh and then there were some additional.

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uh Analysis of the the groundwater that was heading towards the cochica all right next slide.

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um So I did talk about the the first pumpkins. There was a well that was put in that southern.

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Plume it was um put in where the center of the mass was for those traditional vocs you'll.

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See, there's um kind of a line of um monitoring wells, sometimes there's two so there's a where.

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The bellamy river is or bellamy restaurant then there's one low line down there and then the one.

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Above it, so that's where the kind of the edge of the plume was as they as we understood when.

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We were, we were doing those traditional bocs um down closer to the bellamy. uh There's some.

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Older ones, some those two blue ones, are from the 90s and at there were no vocs detected.

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And still have not been any in those lower um those lower monitored wells right next slide.

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uh Again, we're going to talk a little bit about that northwest landfill area.

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um Because you'll see it comes up in the um five year review comments, so that's.

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That little pocket in the northwest- and it was a hot spot- you can go to the next slide.

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So it kind of there was a process of determining where that hot spot was, but once they found it.

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They did a pretty um pretty close, they did a full-scale um air sparge vapor extraction, they.

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Were able to remove over 43 000 pounds of vocs, um you know really did a lot. They operated that.

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For three years, and in the end, you know they really felt, um and the epa also found that.

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It had met their goals so that hot spot, a lot of that had been pulled out right next slide.

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So 2007 I had mentioned that we had been using a trench around the site in 2007.

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um We kind of went a different route. We started saying uh we're going to do extraction.

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um Around the around the toe of the landfill, um so it uh we so the extraction. There's a series.

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Of wells that go in and um if they're pulling um they're able to pull groundwater out of.

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Multiple lighting levels in the in in the subsurface area, also at that point there.

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Was a nhges issue at the initial groundwater management department? All right next slide.

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I also mentioned um for a while, so when they're extracting this, this uh what's.

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Being extracted, it does end up in the dover uh sewer system. So, for a long time there was no.

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Sewer in the area and they were actually trucking um the the groundwater, um so in.

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Around 2010 they expanded a force main from the site uh and and constructed.

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Enforcement to gravity and connected into the doper's municipal system, all right next slide.

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Okay, so we'll talk about the um the main landfill area, so the extraction wheels.

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That I was just talking about where they're pumping are along the lower toe of the landfill.

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um So they put them in we've gotten about 260 million gallons of impacted. Water have been.

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Bumped out, um and I, as I mentioned, the groundwater that is captured is.

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Going to the dover wastewater treatment facility, all right next slide, foreign.

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Planned so um that groundwater extraction was working well, uh there was a fair amount.

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Of monitoring that was going on and um things to be seemed to be really positive. Right next slide,.

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So then epa did their first five-year review and this I'm sure everyone remembers around.

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This time was when epa started, looking for key bass and went for dioxide, so we did.

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Do some analysis you can see in the next slide and that's when we start realizing.

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That there are some concerns about the pfas and the 14d all right next slide.

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um Looking to the eastern plume, um we did a fair amount of investigation. No risk was identified.

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And so there's just a robust evaluation plan that continues every five years. It's ongoing evaluation.

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On next slide, so the southern plume- this is what you all are most interested in. We immediately.

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Started repumping that forage pumping well that had been in place, um and that was uh it was in.

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Place where the mass of what we understood the voc used to be this is when we started.

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um Adding lines of monitoring wells closer to the bellamy river, seeing that that pfest.

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Had traveled a bit farther than what the original vocs had traveled next slide,.

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um So so, since 2012., so really it's not written here but right away, we had uh proposed the dover.

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Landlord proposed expanding that the well system that we have there, so we had the one four inch.

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Well and kind of a kind of reaction area right away. Our proposal was to do more wells like that.

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Do overland because it isn't all uh wetland area out there? um It's really! You know a nice.

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Environment out there, um so we were hoping to overland pumping, which um limits the disruption.

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Of the wetland, but of course uh requires that it can't it can't operate during the winter months.

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um We proposed that the agencies really did not feel comfortable with that they wanted to do some.

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Additional monitoring they wanted to really make sure that um we understood uh what what.

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Was needed how the hydrology was performing before we put anything in place so next slide.

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um So where we are right now, uh we are still working with the agencies still.

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Doing some additional monitoring, I'm showing the um the large.

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Watershed so right now at the bellamy intake. They there are signs of pfas and we do know that there.

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Is p bass, low levels, they're low levels when we talk about you know, I just was speaking to.

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The dover city council, we do have a contaminated uh aquifer with pfas. The levels are just orders.

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Of magnitude different, but there is, uh there are little levels of keep asking development.

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um Right now, there's no detected one for dioxide in the um water intake, but we do have some.

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Detected in the tributary uh within low levels, but we do know that it's there coming from the from.

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The landfill um and monitoring at the landfill does show that everything's holding steady or.

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Decreasing at the shoreline uh next slide, so right now, we've been working with the agencies.

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um And uh they have requested additional uh monitoring, hydraulic monitoring in the.

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Southern bloom, so we we are working with that with our consultants. We actually had a meeting.

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With both epa and des today at the at the city of dover, and then we went out to the site through a.

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Lot of the modeling, um the hope is in the summer, we'll be installing additional monitoring, welds.

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um And then the next once once the models are in place, one cpa is comfortable with the models.

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um We'll be able to move forward with our southern food remediation design and.

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Then epa can approve it and then we are still vocal to be constructing in 2024.

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um I also, I think, it's worth noting, that we have some consistency both with our consultant and dean.

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Michelle who's been a representative. The epa and des moines have had a fair amount of turnover, both.

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Their project managers and the consultants that are working for them so unfortunately,.

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There's been a bit of catch-up played um it just it just is a fact, and so there's been.

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You know some of the questions uh and the request for the additional model modeling.

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um Maybe comes because there wasn't that long history with the project so.

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um I think that you know it wasn't that the models weren't done or that we were doing.

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Things without models, but they're, just kind of looking for some additional uh information.

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Right next slide- and I had mentioned that there was a five-year review in 2022 and there were.

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A handful of recommendations that came out of that review, which I you know some of you- may be.

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Familiar with so I wanted to just go through those uh really quickly just to let you know that you.

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Know we can address all of them, so the first one just had to do with the technical memorandum um on.

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The eastern boom um there were reasons that hadn't been submitted because we were waiting on some.

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Additional information so that we are definitely on target to submit that um they had requested.

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By september of 2023, and that should be no problem- okay, uh they are saying um dover landfill group to.

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Prepare a hundred percent of the design report uh remedial design report by and again that the date.

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Is september 30 2023. um we did have a meeting with them today uh because of all the modeling.

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And the pieces that you need to fall into place and just kind of the discussions between our our.

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um Technical uh support and and their technical reviewers, we believe that we'll be able to have a.

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More probing, both parties, the agencies and the dover landfill group are hoping to have a 30.

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um By september 30 2023, so it would not be 100 by that point. Next slide uh submit a work plan for.

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Further investigation this this had to do with that um small area that we were talking about.

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And again, we did meet with them today. The work plan right now is for our dentist to really go.

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Through so all of the information they already have, which is a lot and extensive and outline.

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um Some more information for them to review, or why. We believe that the the capture zone is.

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This hot spot area is covered by the capture, um that's in place, so next slide. um This one talks.

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About so see, I I talked about that lower uh line of monitoring. That's in place the question that.

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um Came up, is they really want to have a good understanding of what the contaminant levels are.

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Going towards the bellamy now that we can compare to in 10 years um and that discussion came out of.

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Today's you know face-to-face uh talk about what they were looking for with this request, so.

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While this looks like they are actually asking for a whole lot of additional wells and or water wells,.

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um We agreed that that's probably not the best approach, um so we're going to work with them to.

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Come up with a good idea to really understand what the contamination levels are, so that we can look.

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um Look at this again in the future, all right next slide.

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uh This one is conduct additional investigation, help to complete delineation. So the question is we.

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Know groundwater is going to the south and we know it's going to the east and exactly where that line.

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Is is difficult to tell and it's also changes when you are pumping groundwater. It does start to merge.

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um So we have a lot of historical data uh that really informs where we believe that line is.

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We'll need to continue to work on I'll kind of pull that together to just really outline.

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It to the agencies and then we've agreed to put in a few uh one or potentially more additional.

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Monitoring wells kind of between the two to just really clarify where that line is.

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Right next next slide and then the last piece is the epa just kind of made a comment saying.

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um They would like us to continue to monitor pfest, which of course, we definitely will so we we've.

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Already we treat it as a contaminant of concern and being able to do that part with that questions.

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And thank you again.

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Control system.

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We usually do a lot of construction in august september when it's really dry yeah, so.

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um I would say once you start constructing the footwells and we've been trying to provide in.

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Their treatments in that construction season and then the goal is to have a year-round.

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System so we will be started, we'll try to put it in that summer and started.

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We can put in the extraction loans in easier, the ones we start to put in the structure. I.

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Think that's what we need to do when we try to work on it. Yeah it's very web out there.

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That is, that is a piece of working around so then the short answer is one construction to.

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People yeah, um first of all, thank you so much for coming down here and thank.

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You I really appreciate all for coming down here.

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um This is obviously very important being a drinking water as well, um when you mention.

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The lower line that you were monitoring and epa wanted for, like all these little uh little testing.

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Spots in what would be in other way to do that to see you know what is there now compared to what's.

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There in 10 years sure well, so I think the comment maybe came before there was a real understanding.

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Of how to be any monitor was already exists and there it's good to have a lot of data. But.

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It's also not great to poke a lot of holes in to a layer right next to your work. So there's certainly.

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Pros and cons so using the information that is out there, I think, is going to potentially be enough.

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That shoreline area is about a thousand foot wide area and we do have a set of the four.

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Four shallow wells in that area and there's three tributaries she mentioned. So we have a.

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Quarterly monitoring program, where we're out there four times a unit of collecting data over time.

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um So that's so we feel like she said we feel like we have a sufficient data set, but we'll be looking.

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At it vertically horizontally to see, if there's any gaps, um that would help better understand.

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We talked about mass flux or how much contamination is potentially.

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Thank you, yep.

D

Yeah, I I have a different question. I guess, and that is isn't pfas still used in manufacturing.

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Yeah, so that's a really good point. Yeah and you know it seems like we're going to be fighting.

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This forever, that's right! That is right, and you know it's it's one of those things we dover and.

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The doberman hill group are both 100 committed to to fixing this, but we also have got to stop it.

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From coming into, you know uh so that is, you know, I mean john stores, um brian or really kind of at the.

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Forefront of those discussions but absolutely absolutely and that you know at what point.

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But you can really do a lot, but to one end I mean just stop getting it out there and and don't worry.

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Similar, I think portsmouth has been. We haven't uh students from unh who are doing um some work. It's.

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A you know: capstone project, but they're analyzing water levels, just throughout the city. You know.

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Even brain levels- and you know pps- is everywhere um yeah. So it's it's a bigger problem than.

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You know the slide I provided and how it summarizes, what we are seeing that the.

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Intake is three parts per trillion: bfoa. um The other compounds uh on the four quarter average.

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Are among attacked pretty much or a blip of a quadrillion, something or whatever so again, like.

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Gretchen said you know and we're looking one of the recommendations we have is look up stream, a.

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Little bit too so you had that comparative there and then initially when we were notified, I think.

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It was dean at the time, a few years back by the one for dioxane, the first things we agreed to.

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As a group was sampling in our intake, so that happens when christina said to quarterly and.

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They've been doing correlate at our intake, which will continue probably definitely.

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It's real important as well, because we know it's there, but again, that's how much.

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Is attenuating and actually maybe we're getting turned intake is still a question.

C

um Yeah, thank you again for coming out for the presentation. um I have a few different questions.

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So what is uh the dover landfill group in the city like how does the dover land hill group.

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And the city of dover work together or is there representatives from the city of dover on that.

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Group, or can you just describe that structure yeah? No, that's a really good question um that so I am.

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The representative from dover on the dover land of the group and I obviously work really closely.

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With john and our state manager, but that so that's my role um so and dean is the project manager so.

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He represents the dover landfill group, and so when epa is reaching out correspondence about.

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The project it it goes through him and then it uh comes to all of the members that the the.

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Two larger contributors obviously just pay more attention, and I do I pay. I mean it's part of my.

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Job really to pay a lot of attention, one because doper is obviously part of it too, because you know.

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It's in our city, it's leading to our drinking water. It's going to our wastewater treatment.

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Facility so there's you know just a lot of stake in that that group. So you know I'm here talking.

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Tonight, it really maybe should just be the dover landfill group, but we're neighbors so we're here.

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um But that's how that works so, ultimately, is it the dover landfill group, who's responsible.

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For this, but because dover is such a big part of that group or has a large percentage, that's.

B

Okay and because yeah, and because we're they were supportive, just you know, yeah.

C

um Can you tell us what was put in the landfill, like I'm curious, what the source of the p fast.

C

I mean, I know, can faster ubiquitous, but I recall and we didn't talk much about levels other than.

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Like what's in the reservoir, but some of the clues have pretty high levels of pfas right.

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Like I, I I'm just recalling, like a newspaper article from a few years ago, like 800 900,.

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Parts per trillion of feedback- you know yeah, that's that's about that. One order, magnitude.

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That's where the two highest volumes to us and that's the southern food? No, that's not the normal.

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Shoreline we do have the single digits- okay, very, very low, similar to us everywhere else. So what.

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Do you know, historically, what was put in the way until that might contribute to levels that.

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High, I mean I mean everything I feel like it's a municipal and also in domestic ways. So just.

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Household ways, and certainly has it started in the east side near tolland road and you.

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Know over time we've got to go to the west. So in this 70s you know, industrial users started.

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Depositing more say on the west side toward the end of the life of the landfill. So that's where.

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When we're doing our testing, the east side has attenuated very well. I mean the west side is.

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Too, is degraded quite a bit in the northwest landfill where it took out more mass, so the.

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Landfill itself is, you know, has attenuated since the 1980, but pfasa wanted to tell you what no no.

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But it does, but it still falls in attenuation pattern where you have sore concentrations.

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That, maybe a thousand you know they go to 100, to 10 to single digits. There's a pattern. It's.

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A pattern of the same region for both one bro dioxane and that's pretty that's stable.

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um What treatment technology are you using to treat the groundwater? We've talked about.

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The system that was in place like what, what is that and it just it's um potw I mean it's.

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It's not when it's leaving the landfill, it's non-hazardous water because of the levels in it.

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um And it's it's really boces that again, it's all relative at very low levels um and we're.

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Coming into the top of the sewer system, so it's kind of traveling all through the sewer.

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System, so the treatment is really settling and any treatment that would happen at the phpotw. I mean.

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On the landfill, well we're doing the satellite settling solids out, so the wastewater arkansas.

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um um uh I'm sorry I'm trying to read my horrible handwriting so balloon.

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Remediation design, like what technology would you is, is it similar technology.

B

That's the remediation because getting the water out of the ground and then doing what.

C

We're sending it to the wastewater treatment facility, so it wouldn't be treating the water.

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Or just me pulling it out right, I mean it's treated at the whatever treatment occurs at.

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The police report or two, but it is, it- is not going through any sort of carbon at.

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The wastewater treatment facility it's similar to, unfortunately, there is pete bass in regardless of.

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The landfill that is coming through right, I know portsmouth still going to get two right now. Dover.

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um Sludge is we're taking it to canada, I it that is a problem, and that is a different problem, but.

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um How that gets managed at the base part of treatment facility, um yeah.

D

Yeah I mean it's, you know these stories keep going too. You know people really not.

B

That long ago, sludge was being used for a farming and for agriculture and then.

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Obviously, that's not happening right now, so if that is, is definitely a hot topic.

C

And then um my last question would be you know: how could all of this change, as we talked about.

C

The epa is going to issue mcls, I know that's for drinking water and you know this is related.

F

To the drinking water at the belgium reservoir, but it's also, you know part of the landfill so.

C

um How what could we expect might change if mcl's come down really low and now the.

C

Bellamy, might you know even three parts per trillion per pfoa, but potentially we don't.

C

Know could could exceed an mcl depending on you know. We know right now. The health advisor.

C

Is in the per quadrillion, so that's below um so anyways, I'm just curious! What how could.

C

Your plans change, or how could you address this? Should those mcls come in very well and exceed.

C

What we see coming into the bellamy reservoir- I I would I will ask christine to to chime in, but.

B

But contaminants be fast from getting you know to development.

B

And that's what we're doing um so. You know I can't really see.

B

It nothing's going to be expanded more right, we're gonna get as much as we can now.

B

um And then I'll, let first change up. I mean yeah. The groundwater attraction is the technology and.

C

um The total of my actual pumping since 2012. the 260 million gallons or intercepting the.

C

Water, that's coming from the landfill, you know not. You can ever intercept 100 of water molecules.

C

But you're you're getting a lot of that um higher higher mass when we've seen those.

C

Concentrations at the total anthon decrease. We already started an interception in 2012.

C

um That wraps around the you know the southern edges of the landfill and when.

B

That's doing a robust job, we're seeing changes and decrease the concentrations.

C

With the southern plume, we'll put another layer like another line of defense of interception, so.

C

So, even though the source control is working and starting to pull things down, as it comes out even.

C

In 2012 there was already mass south dakota right, so so you want to try to go a little.

C

Further south intercept that pump it away, so we keep all these systems pumping for a long time.

C

um It gradually reduces all the grammar concentrations around them, but it's a long-term.

B

And there is um again, these are forever chemicals, so there is attenuation, but.

C

It's in the form of transition and um just normal mixing of water. You know, as.

C

It's moving through the subsurface, so just about dispersion infusion.

C

Things yeah, I still, um I don't know it to pump all the water but not treat it doesn't seem great.

C

I'm not an engineer, but I just if there's an opportunity. I know at peace we have the you.

B

Know the gap in the resin that they um take out of the they treat it and then they reinject the.

C

Clean water back into the aquifer, um you know that that is the challenge of pete, as it's not.

C

Just specific to this situation, or anywhere else like we, don't really have a way to get rid of it.

B

We just move it around which doesn't feel great um and we just take pollution from one place and you.

C

Can do it somewhere else and it becomes something, that's a problem which is not sustainable.

C

uh I think that's it. I have a lot of questions. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Anybody else has any follow-up questions or maybe laurel.

E

um A lot of questions have already been asked. I was curious, did you say that.

E

The sludge from the wastewater treatment plant goes to canada.

B

It does yeah right. That's still the plan yeah yeah.

F

So I don't think, that's it, but.

B

That is a total, a whole other topic.

C

Got it? um No thanks for your presentation, um the questions I was going to ask were answered.

E

At just maybe just one thing to clarify in terms of the water that you're popping out from that.

E

Area is that what else hundreds of parts per trillion of pfast or was that something else.

B

That is the it's the source area of water, so the water from the landfill, the highest concentrations.

C

um I don't know the exact concentration, this is the mixture and the concentration.

C

Which she had decided were for individual monitoring roles at.

C

An upcoming vocation, so the affluences is a combined that one christine the toe is.

A

Southern it's, it looks like the w at the bottom, so you've got that the main landfill area when we say.

B

The toe of the landfill is the kind of along the southern side of that mainland, so yeah, oh.

B

For any of those, you see that the w that's your channel right there see that yeah. So it's going.

C

Towards each other, the arrow, the arrows are the groundwater florida. So and- and maybe you.

A

Didn't get into this too much, but that that's a trench, correct! It's a perimeter ditch um she was.

B

Mentioning the trench, which is an airsparce trench, which was a remedial technology which.

B

Would have been more like a 30 or 40 foot trench around the perimeter of blowing air up through it.

C

um That was not going to be feasible to implement. You know, because it's so so much clay out there.

C

Okay, but so that does not that's not coming towards the southern.

A

That's what gets either bumped out or it's going towards yeah.

C

Okay, one more questions: um are there any private laws in the area that have been affected so.

B

So well long tall and road, um all the wells along children, they pulled in um public water.

B

A long time ago I was like so I don't know. Historically, I think they had low levels of.

C

Eocs and some of the shallow wells and the you know between the landfill and the chico river.

C

um Because the data, all the data that you all collect, do you have a place? Is that available.

C

Online, yes, so you need to review so the ones of the new hampshire des one stop. um If you look up.

C

Some landfill, we do an annual report every year and we actually do quarterly quarterly updates.

C

um And the quarterly updates are now including the the classroom, reporting data so every year.

C

We have a summary and then my last question is the groundwater extraction system that you have.

C

um I'm not familiar with like what that looks like, but is it something that in the.

C

Future additional technology could be added to like you know when we have the the gap in the.

C

Resident piece: that's what I'm familiar with so is there you know, I don't. Is there like a.

C

Treatment plan or something I don't know what it looks like so right, so we're pumping the water.

C

Then it gets pumped off to to the wastewater treatment facility. At any point, we could add.

B

Treatment, um the biggest issue with water in this area is it's rich in iron, so as much as you're.

C

Trying to treat you know, part petroleum level of something you have to remove mass amounts of iron.

B

Since we've seen that at peace yeah, so it's just a complicating factor, so the um and while the water.

C

Meets the criteria for the wastewater treatment facility, we will continue to send it, but that's.

C

That's a an ongoing discussion with the city and um the navy pa as to what, in the future, okay.

B

And just to add on to that, the point that was raised earlier is that there are.

B

Are places that are contributing pfas? um That really should not be this one is unfortunately.

B

You know dealing with a previous issue, um I know dds is talking a lot about wastewater.

B

Treatment facilities looking upstream and what's contributing, and I think when that continues to.

B

Progress some of the new, the byproducts of you know, a new keypads introduction is.

B

Really, where we want to focus a lot of our energy and taking that out of the stream.

D

Yeah, it's been a long time since I've taken chemistry.

D

um But is it is it an organic is pretty fast an organic.

C

D

F

It might be hard to answer this, but our dover residents interested in homes.

C

We've got a lot of pictures yeah, we did a movie. I mentioned that we gave a presentation recently.

B

um Certainly, I think counselors are interested in. There was some turnout for folks that lived around.

B

There this has been a long history right. So for a long time there was a group that.

B

It's heavily involved um and that has sort of uh dissipated over the years.

C

So there's is that what kind of started a citizen action group so to speak, or was it worms yeah? What.

B

Started it was the give me on the superman site sure, but I wasn't sure that a lot of citizens were.

C

You know complaining about it and that's what led to it initially, but you know the other way.

B

Around and then we also have um what we call the dover utilities committee, which.

B

Is kind of similar to what this group is not just focused on drinking water.

B

um And that we do a lot of the discussion with that person, products.

C

B

And then obviously I would say you know any questions. um Brian and now we talk all the time.

B

In some more property, so more, you could add to your list so definitely reach out to them.

B

Answers. Thank you.

C

uh Brian, I have a few questions from some of the.

C

Earlier stuff, if that's okay, yeah and go for folks, feel free to leave.

C

um Around the land acquisition, um what will be done with that land.

D

So basically, it's actually a conservation, easement purchased. So we're objecting.

D

Reliable being developed yeah, so the property owner will still own the property in forestry.

D

But anything that could potentially impact work all in the reservoir. Okay, great a question about.

C

Collinsville too, I know the college world doesn't contribute a huge amount to the large size. It's.

C

Pretty small, I don't know if that's because it's just a small well or more well, two is online. Would.

C

We expect to see it like contribute more to the source, the overall collins well field. Now we're.

D

Calling sort of accountable, I feel, and we're trying to have permanent, 450 gallons a minute.

D

Historically, that students could do limitations, are the old columns. Well, is it's getting plugged.

D

With manganese, the screen is sold and it's been clogging to know so much we're gonna cycle now.

D

Every two years I think of cleaning it so it can contribute 250 gallons. A minute 300 would.

D

Be really push it, but that's it so with this other. Well, it's going to enable us to get the potential.

C

Okay, so it will add more to the system once it's going to.

C

Function and we'll make it needs to be a problem there or do maybe over time yeah.

D

And both wells will stay in place. Yes,.

C

um I have a question about the system interconnection like when that all happens.

C

We'll who over, who will oversee that it won't become like one big system.

B

Right is the plan for that interconnection just to help in emergencies. Yes, emergency.

D

A

Operation so there we're going to work on agreements that were sort of laid out.

A

um And um you know we, when the initial in 2014, when initial p fast hit happened at.

A

The hayden wall and it was shut down. We actually got water from rye for two weeks.

A

um And we can enter we're interconnected with them, so we can pump water the other way as well, but.

A

No, it's not intended to make one big system. It's just you know you have a fire water main break.

A

Brief contamination, that kind of thing so the the idea is to be able to you know maybe a few days a.

A

Week but not you know, continues and then so, who would be responsible for the pipes that you know.

C

Like interconnected the bridge, we've talked about this, I believe the bridge itself um in the middles.

A

Where dover starts, I don't know who who responds to the next horses newington. It's not. It's not.

A

Even force, but so um right down the middle, so we figure you know we'd be responsible for all our.

A

Pipe and we would need we need pumps on the newington side in order to get water over to.

A

Dover, they have higher pressure, so it'd strictly be opening a valve and have a valve control. The.

A

Flow that would come this way, but uh you know be shared responsibility. We don't have an agreement.

F

C

Keep learning as many questions great. I think we just need to go right ahead.

E

Sorry, that's okay. I just have a quick question for david. I was interested.

E

In the things for the legislative update, I was curious for the bill that you mentioned.

E

About requiring health insurance providers to cover preventative health care related to pfas.

E

um Is there are there any other states that are doing that, or do you have a model for what that.

E

Legislation would look like because that to me I hadn't heard of a state offering that so I was.

E

Wondering I was curious to hear more about it. I don't know a lot about the particular.

D

um Has had uh significant health issues, they shoot races back. There are high level of exposure to gen.

D

X over in merrimac, um and I and her entire family has a extremely high, highly elevated levels. People.

D

In our neighborhood, do um it's just a long-term issue and one of the things that we're asking.

D

People to do um you know, in effect, is to you know, to to monitor um a chemical in their blood that.

D

Basically can't be removed uh where the level is never, you know, aren't going to go down any.

D

And one of the things that they really you know don't have a great understanding of at this point.

D

Is what is the long-term impact of even a small level of exposure to these chemicals? So I think.

D

You know when you look at uh the way we monitor other health conditions. The way we monitor.

D

um You know if you have a distributed cardiac disease in your family. If you've had a history.

D

Of diabetes, I think one of the things that I think um she's looking for is a little bit more parity.

D

In the health care system and and what we have now, which isn't much the testing itself even just even.

D

The cost of monitoring it is expensive because you have the expense of the testing. You know unless.

D

You're able to take advantage like something like these testing program. You know and get your levels.

D

That way, but in terms of you know even being able to monitor your levels at a year by year,.

D

Basis just to kind of know where you are you're accumulating more of it. Where do you stand now.

D

um Just continually having that testing done my understanding, it's not that easy to get it number.

D

Number one and it's expensive: they have a lot of insurance companies, um they don't look at it as a.

D

Preventive cause preventive costs. There preventive expenses actually covered under a um a lot of the.

D

Health care changes that were implemented back in in 2010, but diagnostic services are not included.

D

In that, and so even though you're monitoring it, um you know effectively, it's considered a.

D

Diagnostic service, when you get the test, so if you have something like a high deductible.

D

Health plan, you could find yourself, you know the test costs 700, that's 700 against your deductible.

D

um And that's just for testing, so I I think what she's I'm not quite sure that, where that.

D

Bill stands at this point, but I know a lot of people are interested in in what she's.

D

Doing and to answer your question, I don't know if that's an approach they've taken another state so.

D

This is one of the areas where new hampshire is actually in a lot of ways leading the way.

D

um You know we're one of the leaders in establishing state level mcls and I think.

D

A lot of the stuff that we do at the state level, um you know, obviously we can't have as.

D

Much impact as as the federal government could, if it actually decided to start doing things.

D

um But there are things that we can do and, and I think inner you know there are a lot of other.

D

States that actually have their eyes on the video in our legislature when it comes to pfas, and I.

D

Think this is an issue that other other states will be looking at too, and what I would expect.

D

Is that um bills like this usually continue to get better? You learn things in the public hearings. If.

D

You didn't know when you were writing a bill or you're putting the legislation together and.

D

Every time you go through this process, I know it seems sometimes in some of these builds. It's like.

D

Groundhog day, but um every year these bills get a little bit better. The people who are are putting.

D

Them forward or more knowledgeable they're able to call in people who could do more and one of.

D

The things we find in new hampshire is that this is not a like a short-term game, a short-term fight.

D

Where we can expect to have a lot of really cool victories in one section of legislature,.

D

It's it's really kind of a thing of building building momentum, adequate learning, experiences.

D

um Talking to people who know stuff, they like people in this group is really important.

D

um And uh and we kind of go on from there, but but that's that's how we've been making.

D

Progress so so with respect to the insurance covering the blood testing and then a few.

A

Years ago, new hampshire passed a law that said that insurance needs to cover it and.

A

uh No, I didn't, will it wish it upon me? I drank the water of peas before I got into this job, so.

A

um I participated in the first two rounds: blood testing and then, um when I found out.

A

That you know it gets paid for. I want you know my annual physical. I said to my doctor. I don't.

A

Want to be past this of course, first thing he says: what's that and then he looked uh looked.

A

It up couldn't find anywhere to do it. So it's been a year and then, but last october I was able.

A

He had the test through quest, so he was able to order it up and got the pass so.

A

He was a whole another aspect of my my deal with this, but interesting enough.

A

um The blood results over that time. I know the the word attenuation.

A

um Was was brought up as far as you know, things dissipate they go down over time.

A

um With pfas they talk about half-lives. So how long does it take for half of this to get out.

A

Of your body, my blood is tracking, almost locked up with those predictions or the that analysis.

A

What other people are doing so I mean I'm, I'm more than happy to share that, because I think.

A

That's enlightening that that to me it's it's like well, you know, I'm still drinking water.

A

um So there's some p fast, but you know my numbers aren't continuing, go up! They're they're.

A

Down they're doing what it's uh you know and I have my ailments, but you know I can attribute.

A

That to my gray, hair and just regular old man syndrome, an understanding of these models of.

D

Exposure, you know what what kind of chemicals are actually in your system at what level.

D

um At some point, we may actually have a much better understanding of what your level of.

D

Risk may be for different, you know for different conditions, so conductor can say well see because.

D

You have this particular compound in your system. At this level, you might be more at risk for this.

D

Type of cancer, so what we'll do is we'll run we'll run a test, a preventive test for that.

D

Kind of thing, so I think that's that's the point. I think that um that we would like to get to.

A

Yeah, I mean, and you know the medical side is in that research only peripherally. You know familiar.

A

With but I do know that some of the concerns about the low levels of heat pass while laurel can speak.

A

To this more than I am for sure, are you know, vaccines and tetanus shots, and things like that.

A

And it's like: well, you know if it tetanus founders, every 10 years, then maybe you should get it every.

A

Seven or something I mean to me that it's like okay, well, brian, get a tetanus shot. It's you know.

A

Seven years instead of ten, I mean okay, fine I'll I'll. Do that? That's a go to visit the doctor boom.

C

Yeah, I think the concern sometimes too is that people don't even mount the.

C

Appropriate response, though, with vaccines, but more more studies are being done. Such.

C

As p best reach or pretty soon, but uh one other point I just want to make.

C

um The national academy of science did come out with some guidance last summer. If I'm familiar.

C

With it, but it talks about screening levels in your blood. First of all, they recommend people.

C

Who are really exposed to get blood tested for p fast, which is like a big milestone?.

C

um And then they listed like levels in your blood and what risks you're at and then a list of.

C

Medical monitoring criteria, so I hope that wendy thomas's bill is kind of based off that national.

C

Academy of science like to me, it's like there's already like a model in place, and maybe it is.

B

Yeah, so so there's already a road map, you know, so it's just getting the insurances and.

D

Exactly uh wendy thomas and nancy murphy and um they are free women, horses of nature.

D

um Not only have been big advocates to their community, but actually got.

D

Elected to the legislature to actually passed, it's got the.

D

Big changes so pretty pretty neat story and a pretty dedicated group of women.

E

Yeah and I'll just add, in addition to the um the national academies report, our pfas reach.

E

Group also developed medical screening guidance documents. Andrea was part of that process to.

E

um Kind of getting out what brian was saying you know, if you do know, you had elevated levels of exposure. What are some tasks that your doctors might consider.

E

Running is you know, part of your long-term health care, just things to keep an eye on so.

E

I guess the next. The next step is to see what atsdr does with the national academies.

E

Recommendations in terms of what they come up with for guidance, because I think that's.

E

That's where doctors go for for guidance is the aps-cr and cdc, so um I'm hoping that they will.

E

Follow the national academy's recommendations and offer some kind of concrete recommendations.

C

All right uh public comments, we do have one attendee and um I'd say um rosalie.

A

um If you have a question, you can type it into the chat.

D

Okay android so.

F

Okay, we can include our meetings. Yes, thank you. So one last thing, I guess andrea we've talked it's.

A

Going to be tuesday or wednesday, that was, you know, kind of um so what we generally do andrew and I.

A

Get together post meeting and discuss and we work on the the meeting minutes um right now. I just.

A

Penciled in it looks like sometime in june, we'll look to have our next meeting so always between.

A

Then, and now um you know, feel free to comment, suggest, topics and stuff and we'll certainly start.

A

Working on a date, a lot of that plays into what city, council and other meetings are going on here.

A

And then we'll schedule something and yeah but june. That was great. Thank you. Happy spring. Okay,.