City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Sustainable Practices, 24 Feb 2022

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2.24.2022 Sustainable Practices Blue Ribbon Committee

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The page on the website they are.

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When they get there, sometimes sometimes there's a little delay. Sure.

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Will that be something that we'll do sort of going forward? Are we going to maybe publish or post, maybe the last, so the video will be posted on the website.

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um With the minutes- and so it's just a matter of keeping it up and.

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Anybody that wants to help with that okay come see me I'm going to watch my language too yep.

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Okay, we are recording now larry, so hold back those watch. It.

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um All right so for the benefit of the recording we've called to order the meeting.

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We've accepted our minutes from the last meeting, which was.

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Oh, my goodness january 27th january 27th, perfect, um hopefully we'll see mayor mcearon at some point.

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This evening, so the next on our next point on our agenda and I'm sorry. What I didn't do up here was.

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Who is leading each of these agenda items so I'll? Take a crack at it, um but for climate action plan.

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Next steps, um I'm not sure if, if effie you would like to, I know you had the majority of our next.

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Steps as far as the climate action plan, um if anyone else wants to pitch in because I know.

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There was obviously a lot of activity at city council and in voting on the capital improvement.

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Plan as well, of which this was included so all right, so at the last meeting peter had to be out.

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And we talked about whether it would be possible to issue the rfp earlier and wondered what kind.

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Of resources we could get together, so um you all got with the agenda a short like resource list.

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Of different links for different cities rfps and the one from sioux forge that.

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Bert introduced us to some time ago, so the idea was, you know, does it take a city council motion.

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Authorizing a release of an rfp contingent on funding, because the funding, even though the cip.

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I think is march 7th the vote, the next city council meeting. Okay, so I believe, that's march.

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That that funding will not be definite until the fiscal year starts in july. As my understanding.

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It could be withdrawn after the vote, so I'm wondering you know just because what we've.

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Seen from other cities is, it can take a year and a half to put a climate action plan together.

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If we issue an rfp, even if we had it out july 1st, having the bidders look at it and get back to.

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The city and evaluate the rps adds months to the process, and that's why we were talking about. Could.

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We get the rfp out early, so peter, I don't know. If you want to chime in yeah, I will yeah. So the.

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um So the cip is the first step in the process of getting the climate action plan going. There's.

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50 000 that the council needs to adopt the cip. I don't think there's any objections that have been.

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Stated to that so that should go forward and then to to really turn it into a budget item. They have.

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To adopt the budget with that in there, so that's the next step that has to happen. That'll happen in.

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June or july, so the fiscal year starts july. 1 with the budget will hopefully be adopted a little.

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Before that, so if you wanted to do it with no risk, you'd wait till that july time frame to release it.

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You know there could be a caveat in the rfp pending city budget proof, if you really wanted.

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To get going early, I don't think it would need a vote. It wouldn't would need to go.

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To the council, it comes with authorizing the pro process. That's their role. The next step.

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Is you know the city manager would play a role in staff city staff? We put the rp.

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Together and follow our purchasing guidelines, we need to get you know certain number of app.

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uh Applicants or proposals in and then review the proposals and and hire somebody, but.

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You know the rfp is only one piece of the climate action plan. I know that there's.

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Been a lot of talk about how the common action plan should be really a community driven process.

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And so there could be work ahead of that. That would strengthen the climate action.

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Plan process, when the consultant comes on board or whoever comes on board to work it so.

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And and whether it's a consultant and how that's all going to work, there's going to be.

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You know discussion, I'm sure about that, but it doesn't have to wait till july. One, I guess, is the.

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The short answer: yeah, we were talking it about it as two streams, the climate action plan, but that's.

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You know got some administrative time and then the community engagement time that really makes.

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It a long process, so we can be doing things in the meantime. So that's what we meant.

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And it doesn't have, I don't think, there's any reason it has to be completed in one calendar.

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Year or anything like that, not that not that we wanted to drag on but right, um but the thing is.

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I guess some questions came up because 50 000 probably won't be enough for the climate action.

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Plan, I think nobody thought it would be um so we you know we're wondering about the arpa process.

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And the plans I looked at wherever I could find what their contracts were for I put.

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That, in that resource sheet, that you all got so like in maine, portland and south portland.

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Did their plans together and they spent 220 000 um concord mass, which is a smaller.

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City than portsmouth, but similar in some ways, because historic buildings and other things.

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Not to exceed 125 for that plan, so we'll put this on hold too hey. Sorry,.

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Yeah, I am flying out right after this there's, apparently a storm coming tomorrow. I heard.

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Something about that. I want to rejoin my wife and family um in warmer climates, but I.

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uh Wanted to to be here first to thank everyone for the work that is going on here and will go on.

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I'm excited that josh is back on this committee after what he refers to as sabbatical.

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But I'm I'm truly excited about the work that's going on, so uh I guess two points that I'd like to.

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Make one I want to envision these on zoom and publicly noticed not just for.

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Letting the community know but ease of meetings, but really this should be.

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Talking about engaging the community and one thing out of covet that we found.

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Was the zoom participation really did increase uh people's participation in our government.

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This is a big part, there's a lot of people that are excited about things that we can do um to to.

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Kind of bend the curve here in portsmouth, so you know on the the the most middle school level- is.

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Properly noticing and putting the meetings on zoom to make sure that everybody is able to participate.

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We'll go a step in that direction. The second part of what I want to share and my hope for this.

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Committee going forward provided the cip passes, as it currently has a climate action plan to really.

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Look to to this uh committee to help form that climate action plan and then hold us as a city.

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Accountable to meeting the needs uh outlined and goals outlined in that climate action plan.

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Is where I think this committee can take the ideas of a community whittle them down.

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To actions that the city can take and then measure those actions and hopefully get more people.

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Involved so um I'll take a few questions if there's any, but I also appreciate your time. I'm.

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Larry larivie here, hey larry. um I know your father, I know you're your brother, okay. I know you're on.

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It gives you any idea of how long I've lived in portsmouth.

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um What's the chances of of making this a standing committee as opposed to a blue ribbon company, I.

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Think that would be so one I'm going to look to uh that lady right over there counselor cook, um but.

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This was one of the the committees that I do think should be uh a standing committee. um There is.

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uh We're a city on the sea, uh whether we solve climate change or not we're gonna, feel the impacts.

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For the rest of our lives uh around that, um so I don't see this committee ever going away and I'd.

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Hope that out of the governance um committee, there is a recommendation that this become a standing.

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Committee, um where we can have a, uh I don't think any mayor would would turn it down, but I do think.

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That it, uh when you become a standing committee, you there's a certain amount of planning and.

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Foresight, um especially from staff and involvement there, so um I would hope that you know we have an.

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Audit committee, uh so I hope that we can get the through the the ordinances um required to do that.

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I wouldn't I wouldn't expect there to be pushback on the council level, uh but I do want it. Crafted.

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In the right way to get the engagement of the public because it's an opportunity to to kind of.

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Bring that forward to to the rest of portsmouth, okay. Thank you. Thanks, laura.

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Any other questions, nothing from the eco club. Anything.

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Yeah, you know I've been looking at a lot of other cities, climate action.

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Plans to prepare for our work and a lot of cities, look at it, there's what the city.

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The municipal government can do, but the much bigger piece is what the city could encourage.

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And what citizens take on to do themselves? So I'm really glad to hear you talk about.

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uh Community engagement and by community we also mean the business community.

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And I was looking at burlington vermont's and they have a separate section for the airport, so they.

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Have kind of four buckets: the city, the citizens, businesses and the airport, so it's just things.

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To keep in mind, it's I'm not saying that we have to do this well, but well, I think if we do it right.

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We account for one to two percent of total uh kind of emissions of the entire city. That's not enough.

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To bend the needle or bend the then the curve move the needle messing up metaphors there.

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But what we can do is is lead and provide a. uh You know what an example of what good is.

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um And what grade is, and so I, the city, has that aspect and then bringing the citizens and and.

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Helping them buy in the climate action plan itself and the cip, whether it's right now, it's.

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uh Fifty thousand dollars it could grow. uh If we need to see that in terms of how much it.

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Takes to actually write that and look for input around this community in that process, but that is.

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Somewhat minuscule uh compared to the the cost of change um over, uh you know when it.

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Comes to a departmental standpoint when it comes to say you know.

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Sidewalk you know composting would be a city-wide initiative. Things like that. That's.

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When costs come in costs without engagement are, uh are tend to look at as as fees you know so.

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We need to make sure that the cost through the tax levy is something that we want um and.

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We will want it if it's correctly messaged, and so I look at the folks in this room as.

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The evangelists of a better future, so it's a really important aspect and you know we will.

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Do our best on the council, I know councillor cook and councillor. Denton are incredibly passionate.

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About this, and I would say to a person, uh we're engaged on the the council level, but in order.

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To actually get it across and get people coming out to cip sessions, getting people to talk about.

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Tax rates, but then what we get for, that it's going to require people to to buy it.

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When I lay in bed at night and peter's been gone for two weeks and we're here, I don't know.

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We've uh this is the biggest meeting I've. Seen of the account we got.

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uh Sro, what's that sro standing room home planning room only and we have.

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uh There's tremendous energy because there's tremendous.

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Need tremendous urgency, because a small time frame so when I think how do this vast array of years.

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And experience in town, what would it look like? I tried to save my mind. What would.

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It look like if we had a climate action plan. What would it look? The city looked like it was.

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In your mind, because you're in the thick of it, we have other people. I see this as a little bit.

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Of a dialogue, what do we envision? We can't go any places to condition what we want for this.

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And so I think when you're talking about permanent committee, you're thinking about.

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Community engagement, what, if anything, is in your mind that you could not? This is fixed but start.

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The dialogue for us to create that vision of what we can be to get where we want in the next five.

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Ten years, because that's a big big, it's a it's a steep hill, but we're both optimists right. uh No, no.

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I'll tell you what I've been in talking to people and a lot of people are saying.

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On a one to ten scale, they're at a five or a seven, I never used to be below five. The other.

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Day at gut level, I put up four okay, because I'm getting information, that's really serious.

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I'm not an optimist, but- and I am hopeful okay hope is different, because we are here tonight.

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Because we know that we don't know, we don't know what the city should look.

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Like we don't know, what's going to come on board, we didn't know that you were going to inspire me.

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Actually, I've been thinking for years and the first thing you said in the parking lot.

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Was you wanted the ordinances and a climate action plan? I said what that's inspiring.

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You know where did that come from so I know that we don't know and that's what I want to do is.

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Collectively, get the vision that what makes me whole okay well, uh where it came from, is talking.

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To people in portsmouth, so um that's a that's an easy one and should give you hope that it was.

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Coming from people in portsmouth, I think there is a more than I can never remember a groundswell.

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To take action um and what uh portsmouth looks like I don't.

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I can't say that I could paint right now a picture of what it looks like. I do know that.

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um Failures in politics, government, but politics are typically a failure of imagination.

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Failure to imagine a world that's different from today that we will all strive towards. I think.

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A job of this community and and this committee is to define what that future looks like. I know.

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There's some pieces, I see lisa here from the school board. I see eco club. I would like this to.

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Be a inter-part into departmental aspect of how do we? How do we push the idea of climate action.

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Into the community so short term, if everybody understands uh climate action plan, what that.

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Actually means for portsmouth and then in two years, if everybody is agreeing that we definitely.

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Need a climate action plan, those would be two very uh short goals that I think that we could.

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Work on uh as as a committee but bigger than that, I think that we have to imagine that it it takes.

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Investment, if we want a future that we're proud of investment of time investment of resources.

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An investment in our future. That's that's what I think a climate action plan spells out and.

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Steps in order to get there and that's what I am hopeful about- the energy in this room, the energy.

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That I see when I talk to people the energy that we hear either from urgency uh or from opportunity.

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uh There's energy and sometimes they're hard to distinguish uh but they're, both powerful in terms.

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Of motivation and there's not a single person that I've walked up to you know even larry. The.

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Old portsmouth people there's not a single one of them that I've met. That has said you know. What's.

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Up with that climate action, isn't that a bunch of hui like no, I think that people get it now.

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uh Unfortunately, because we're so, our proximity to the effects are a little bit faster and they'll, be.

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Here, a little bit sooner uh than they are in the rest of new hampshire and the rest of the state.

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I think this is for the whole group we're going to discuss it after you. Leave too.

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Are you asking him what it is, what is a climate action plan in your mind, yeah? What is in the.

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Climate action: oh right! Okay! So what are we talking about yeah? So a climate action plan.

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uh To me is goals uh and objectives across every department in the city to make sure that we are.

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Accountable to reducing our impact on the earth so that we can enjoy it for a longer period of time,.

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So, whether it's the police department, whether it's the school department,.

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Here, in the municipal standpoint, you know we still, you know little things like the amount of.

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Paper that this uh that this city uses not, I mean luckily we're all on ipads uh this year. um It's a.

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um But to have key metrics and objectives across every department that we can actually say.

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This is where we're going to. This is where we want to get. This is where we are, and this.

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Is how we get there? That uh is um a climate action plan uh for me in the in the city of.

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Portsmouth and then ways of to effie's point from a business standpoint from a community standpoint.

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If the pda will let us you know from an airport standpoint, you know there uh there's a lot of.

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Development that's going on there. We only get one chance at development when it's. You know.

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We're talking about 200, 400 000 square feet, making sure that that's a part of that as well.

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So identifying areas that a climate action plan is needed and then identifying parameters of which.

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A climate action plan uh can be effective and and measured yeah, and this isn't necessarily.

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A question for you, but I also want to kind of put what we're doing in a broader perspective, because.

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Portsmouth isn't alone in crafting a climate action plan. I was speaking with somebody from.

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Clean energy, new hampshire and nashua concord, keene, hanover and lebanon are also creating.

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Climate action plans and that could go to support our state, creating a climate action plan as well.

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Because municipalities hold enormous sway over our state legislature, so it could have incredible.

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Ripple effects. Sorry: what was your name laura lee laura lee? That's right! um So I think that.

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That's right. um Luckily, I imagine uh climate action plans are kind of a leapfrog business.

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Where we can take the best of what's worked uh in some other communities.

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See if it applies here and then use that, and I like your idea of using our.

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Our collective power as municipalities to push the state to make climate action a part of the.

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States I I I would like to believe that they all the time listen to us here at the municipal level,.

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um It's not always the case, but here's where um here's, where it's really important.

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And people do things in concord and it happens in concord. Sometimes it trickles out to us down.

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Here in portsmouth and manchester national keene people don't really notice what goes on in concord.

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Some do some that pay attention, but people certainly notice uh their tax bill or an ordinance.

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That happens here on the local level. This is where we have community engagement. I would love to think.

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That, because we have 400 legislatures 400, reps up in concord, that everybody is as informed that.

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Not always the case, but people do pay attention on the community level, so I do agree that they.

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Might not listen to me as mayor or josh and kate as the collective as the council, but they do.

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They do listen uh to people and the people are going to be most affected by what we do in this.

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Room in portsmouth and then we can take that with other municipalities with other people and say.

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This is the time for this is now. If we do not have this, you know all of the industries that we built.

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Up around fail, uh you know a couple of degrees, the foliage goes away. You know, fishing goes away.

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Tides come in and and and wash us away and make it incredibly difficult to get.

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Storm water and wastewater out of here- so um I I like that, so I add that to uh the goals of a.

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Climate action plan in helping form a blueprint for the rest of the state of new hampshire.

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To follow, along with, I think, that's a I think, fort smith's a few. It should be a few years ahead.

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Of the rest of the state, and so if we can act like that, you know maybe we can be and bring them along.

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Thanks, laura hi john kennedy. um Thank you so much for being here, I think, speak for all of.

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Us I really appreciate it and we look forward to collaborating and kind of partnering through.

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This whole thing, um I guess my question is and similar kind of what bert was saying. um You know.

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It's a little bit different in your talks with the folks around portsmouth. Do you think that there.

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Are other policy changes that can be implemented kind of concurrent with the climate action plan.

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Because I think we're kind of putting a lot of eggs in that basket right and you never know.

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What's gonna happen and maybe that doesn't pass or something gets delayed or it takes a while right.

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Like you know, I, if josh has ev charging stations up there like are there other things that we.

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As a kind of community should be thinking about that, we can work on whether it's schools or.

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Businesses or airport that may be part of the climate action plan, but they could also live.

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Separate and so we can start implementing change, whether or not the climate action plan.

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Happens this year or next year or in 10 years so I'll. Take that question in in two parts. First,.

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I am confident that a climate action plan will happen um and I am confident that the.

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Act of trying to get one passed has a purpose in and of itself of pushing and promoting ideas.

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uh Out into the ether which is portsmouth and having people think about them, so there's.

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There's the aspect of that, I think the climate action plan. We will find there's aspects of that.

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Climate action plan, be it uh transit. uh You know, ev charges are great, but you know identifying like.

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How coast could serve more people um in portsmouth from a standpoint of hey if it didn't run every.

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Hour would more people use it? How do we go about doing that? How do we go about funding that.

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You know from a zoning standpoint, you know what uh zoning is preventing more walkable.

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Communities outside the downtown, we get a lot of awards for being walkable in the downtown.

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But are we walkable in panaway or you know, elwynn park, um so I view that the.

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The climate action plan is going to create a lot of different avenues for us to start.

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Start going down, what I think is going to be. The challenge is not necessarily getting a.

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Climate action plan built and across the line and us to identify it's going to be.

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Implementing the suggestions of the climate action plan, so I think that it is it's a it's a.

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It's going to be tough to make sure that we we do the climate action plan. Well, I'm.

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I have a lot of confidence that we will make a good one. What I have less confidence about now, but.

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That's only because it's earlier in the process and the you know the world is not defined is.

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How do we take those plans and put them into action? How do we say we want to.

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Increase public transportation in portsmouth, what do we say when we want to you know, have.

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uh Greater density in a part of town that hasn't had greater density before to lower.

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The the footprint: how does that? How does that look? Those fights will be uh and not fights, but.

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Those will be harder to to bring people along with, and so I I don't view the climate action plan as a.

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um You know, uh I guess I don't view it as the eggs, I view it as the basket and there's a bunch of.

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Different eggs in there, um all of which are going to be, you, know, hard to crack and it's our job to.

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You know collect up as many as we can so that we have extra optionality when it comes to trying.

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To solve this in a uh you know, an incremental, but fast way is that helpful yeah. Thank you.

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All the way back around to the eggs yeah we'll eat eggs. Listen, you know, I I'm a man of many metaphors.

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That sometimes mixes them up, um but guys I do have to run because I don't want to miss.

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My flight, um but it's uh it's uh it's it's great, to see this this house packed for something. That's.

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Not talking about um you know, it's easy to get things. It's easy to get people out when.

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When something is being taken away, you know whether it's taxes and your money uh quality.

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Of life when it comes to your views, corridors or things like that, but you guys aren't here.

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Complaining about uh what we're, uh what we're losing you're here, collaborating about.

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You know what's possible for us to to gain as a city that is incredibly powerful, know that.

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You are in a subset of people that devotes your time to something in the future. That is yet to be.

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Defined because that's not common and that should be celebrated, and I celebrate you guys tonight and.

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I look forward to working with you uh throughout these these next two years, so thank you very much.

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Yeah, I don't control the fight, it's got to get there.

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Well, as you all know, I'm in marketing and communications and so.

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Mayor mcconnell gave me an idea for a t-shirt for this committee. The evangelist for a battery.

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Of course, all of that have recycled and completely.

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um That was, that was lovely. That was really good sentiments and good thoughts, um certainly on the.

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Climate action plan so, and I would like to just give him the notes if he would have been here.

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Longer two other items that I think we would have uh will put on either our agenda tonight.

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Or next time is the uh it was building on the state idea. The climate symposium.

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And I just need to say for myself: I don't see us needing or wanting to be the reader. I think the.

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Position that I would like to see us in is working together to facilitate everybody to move forward.

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And each person does that themselves. I'd like to see us frame things in a cooperative model.

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Rather than the leadership model, it's it's subtle, but I I think it's important.

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That, if we're going to talk about community, we really need to.

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uh Work in a model that says we're.

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Equals among equals and that we want to learn from each other, not be the one who's teaching.

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Others and that's why I also I'm just going to a little bit of trigger evangelism.

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Again, you know these words. Thank you. No. I know. Yes, sorry, no, not sorry, because we all do it.

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And that's why I think we need to talk about it. Is I'm not out to change anybody.

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It's hard enough for me to change myself. It's hard enough for me to grasp the reality of.

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What's happening myself, and so I want to keep the focus on each of us doing our own work.

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And supporting each other to do that and that's a position that no and it's such a good point.

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And I yeah I tripped over it, but it's it's a we're communicators, communicators of a better.

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Better future, perhaps so, I think, there's a hand yeah. I appreciate your points.

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And I agree with you entirely that you know, for me: community is so fundamentally important.

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But I will say from what the mayor said: I I sort of thought of it more as leading by example and.

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Not so much as like dictating just trying to be thoughtful and thorough about how we.

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Develop and show what's possible so that if other communities are thinking about it, they can use us.

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As an example of oh look, what fort smith is trying to do here? Maybe you should try to do that as well.

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Not so much you need to follow our plan and community power is a lot like that as well.

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Yeah and I like that, getting me off my soapbox, so thank you very much.

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That's what we need is honesty and uh that kind of, because that's true yeah, the best.

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Way we do is what our actions really say a lot and if we as a community act in a thank you.

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um I appreciated your question too about. I think we all are maybe slightly thinking about.

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The climate action plan that definition just just slightly differently but to be able to have what's.

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That big vision- and I know we talked about this at the last meeting, but sometimes you need that big.

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Vision that big overarching goal for the community to understand for everybody to buy into it at.

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Their own level and then a lot of the things that the city is a already doing or putting forward.

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These are all kind of tactics and actions, ev charging stations, outdoor dining composting. These.

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All work towards in this is, in my mind, that sort of bigger vision and whatever we come up with in.

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Our plan um something else too, that the mayor just said um that struck me. He said you know we're a.

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Seaside town, and so for me, I just had this all of a sudden. I just thought this whole time. I've been.

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Sort of thinking about the climate action plan is in the draw down framework, how we're drawing down.

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Our emissions and addressing greenhouse gases as each system as a city as businesses, the airport.

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um But I just wanted to make a plug too, that we also need to be thinking about preparing.

B

For things that are already happening so that sort of coastal resiliency preparedness piece, I I think.

B

There's like two two things: we need to be doing as climate action plan being being prepared for the.

B

Changes and then taking action to hopefully start towards drawdown, so that was something I just.

B

All of a sudden, I'm like oh wait, a second, it's sort of. I need to be doing two things at the.

B

Same time, does that make sense, it might just come with more things more things. More. Yes, more to add.

I

To the list well, and I feel like that's from the city perspective, one of the biggest expenses is.

I

Going to be around infrastructure improvements that are required because of sea level rise.

I

And having to deal with storm water having to deal with, you know: how do we, how do we deal.

I

With pumping when we have water, because we we right now, we have a plan for prescott park, but.

I

Prescott park is not the entirety of the parts of the city and streets that are going to be flooding.

I

So um so a lot of the cost, and I think that that's what the mayor's always talking about is.

I

This fifty thousand dollars is just a tiny bit of the cost for the city, but it puts us in line.

I

To be thinking about and planning for all those additional costs that we are going to be incurring.

I

So something I would piggyback on that, I think uh another counter to track that. I.

L

Think we should be considering is we've had a lot of talk tonight about community engagement.

L

Which, I think is very important both for you know, raising awareness and getting ideas.

L

But I think it's equally as important to have a very strong expert factor to it, which I guess.

L

Is what the consultant is, because lots of people can have ideas about what they think is important.

L

Like recycling comes up a lot and recycling, of course very important, I do it every day, but.

L

That's not even close to the top line of what needs to happen as far as climate change. You know.

L

I mean, I think most people aren't even thinking about things like pumping stations, for example,.

L

um So I think expert opinion needs to really factor in at least as much as community engagement.

E

50 000, I always thought of that as seed money.

E

I think when we originally talked about it, it was 75, then it might become 50 if.

E

I remember correctly, and that was just the first step I mean I think it's going to be.

E

Now we're finding out how how much bigger it's going to get, but I think you know I always thought.

E

Of it, as just a very first tentative step, just to get that you know that consultancy and I think we.

E

We should look much much further than that and from this point forward immediately.

B

Sorry, stephen, so just to tie a few things together. I think, um like we've been talking.

J

About next steps, um and and like aubrey, was saying we're going to have experts they're.

J

Going to come in they're, going to sort of what they're gonna need, I think is you know.

J

Some sort of direction we're gonna, have to start thinking about specific goals like like the mayor.

J

Obviously alluded to like our dates: timelines like are: we gonna go just net zero if so, by when.

J

Are we using the you know, paris, agreement sort of guidelines? Are we using other? Are we looking.

J

To other states to see what they're doing, because states are all over the place and in their goals.

J

So we should start thinking about our concrete uh goals and and timelines, and the other thing.

J

That kind of made me think of is- and this ties into the greenhouse gas inventory, that counselor.

J

Wanted to start on an annual basis. I've mentioned this before we've got initiatives kind of all.

J

Over the place in the city, would it be a good idea to just sort of pull them all together, see.

J

Where we're at right now make almost like a report card just to have that data available, I mean that.

J

Would tie in they're, obviously gonna have to do another inventory of greenhouse gases anyway, and.

J

Just see where we're at with all our initiatives and put them in one place, so we can really get.

J

A pretty good picture that way when they put that climate action plan together, we could say.

J

Okay, here we are, this is what we want. This is where we are and help us. You know, move forward.

H

Yeah, I want to build off what was just said, but first since this is recorded, make sure.

M

That you're talking into a microphone it's um if you're not like within a foot of the microphone.

M

It's not gonna be picked up on video and people will stop watching the meetings um with that said.

M

The um as far as what goals should the climate action plan be based on, I may be biased here.

M

Because we do have a net zero energy policy, I think we should start with that as the goals and.

M

Don't get me wrong that needs to be adjusted there weren't dates attached to it, because there was.

M

Little chance of the city council passing that policy. If there were actual dates tied to it,.

M

So that was a concession, but I think the actual, like phased approach that that took, um should be.

M

Considered as goals and net zero energy was chosen instead of 100 percent, because the way how new.

M

Hampshire's is structured. You can't technically get to 100 in new hampshire, like you can in other.

M

States like vermont, so we wanted to make sure it was realistic. So we went with net zero energy.

M

But- and the other thing I wanted to build off of, I think the mayor talked about.

M

There are other areas that could also benefit from similar plans, whether it be the community.

M

Peas, one nice thing we were able to do for the net zero energy policy. Is that committee.

M

Got a member from pease there to get some buy-in towards the policy itself so.

M

I personally think the climate action plan should just be based on the city government, what it could.

M

Do but it could definitely set an example and we could try to encourage others in the community.

M

And ps, or whoever else, we uh partner with a regular basis to do the same.

G

Josh, would you define net zero as you understand it, so.

M

I'm not a scientist, but to me net. Zero is very simply that we use either the same amount of.

M

Energy that we produce or less.

M

And ideally, the energy would be produced in the community first before it was produced.

M

In the surrounding areas than in the region, but should be renewable energy, that's being.

M

Used as a priority, but again it's using the same amount or less energy than what's being produced.

L

On an annualized basis, yes,.

A

I just had a question. I just wanted to follow up with what you said, josh, that you said that you.

A

Wanted the climate action plan to be just the municipal government so with you a lot of this.

A

Talk has from the beginning has been about raising community awareness and outreach and action in the.

A

Community trying to tackle that bigger nut. All of that are things that the government can be doing.

M

And they should be included, but the plan itself to me is this: is the plan for the government with.

M

Just 50 000 seed money for the initial uh rfp that goes out. I think it might be tough to say.

M

Not just don't just tell us what you think the city could be doing, but also.

M

What can people that we can't control in the community do where, yes, we could give.

M

Recommendations, but I think it'd be tough to actually bring them in the fold immediately.

L

So would you consider changing building codes to make buildings more efficient part of the.

L

Municipal government, or not under that definition, yes, because falls under the planning department.

M

So that's something that we could do. We could change the codes. We could encourage people to.

M

Build to a more stringent code, but it might be tough to go out and get developers to um buy off.

M

And put their name with wet ink on the climate action plan itself. That's the distinction to.

M

Me I'm just gonna, go with jess and then steve and then lisa. Oh sorry, kate. I didn't that's. Okay! Well,.

H

I think josh, I have a similar question when you say the city like. Does that also mean.

H

Offering or implementing plans um that would be available to citizens to allow them to operate.

B

In a more sustainable way- or so yes, it would be a recycling program like I know, there's composting.

I

On the board, I'm not sure if that's the right example. But having is that part of what you would.

H

Consider a climate action plan is yes, a climax channel would include many things that the city.

M

Could do to encourage the community to incentivize the community? However, it would be tough to require.

M

The community to do something the city would make it easier or more accessible for citizens.

J

Just to go back to bert's question about the definition of uh net zero, I knew I had this.

J

Somewhere and just it from that city policy, I knew I had it recorded, so it's I had it handy.

J

It actually says just says: the actual energy consumed on an annual basis is less than or equal.

J

To locally generated renewable energy, so that's how it's that's! Just a quote from the actual.

J

Policy that I happen to have andy but there's another interesting document from the national.

J

uh Renewable energy laboratory, which I will happily share the link to if anyone wants about.

J

20 pages and it talks about definition of net zero energy communities. So I'll put that out there. I'm.

J

Not going to be great, I'm not going to summarize that for everyone, but um that's all I got.

B

Lisa and john then ben sure. Well I liked what steve said about a report card just because I.

K

Think that we do have a lot of isolated programs that already could be used that are in place that.

K

Maybe if we just republicize them in a way where we frame it as a chance for people to take climate.

K

Action, instead of just using the bike lanes or getting a charging station or composting.

K

If we can try to promote it in some way, that might help to sort of kick start a conversation.

K

um And I guess I was also just curious if we've talked about, I know the historic.

K

District is one piece of it, but I do foresee potential tension around like if people want.

K

Solar panels or charging stations, or a lot of these things that we want to promote.

K

Where are we fitting that piece into it, and maybe that's already been discussed, but I was just.

K

Curious is that a zoning issue only or is that also a whole separate can of worms.

I

No, but it's a great point um and one of the things that's also in the cip budget is.

I

uh I think 50, it's 50 000, I think to revise the htc guidelines as well. So um if this committee had.

I

A recommendation around things like solar, or that they wanted to present um to whatever committee.

I

Makes those decisions? I don't know if it's going to be the land use committee, I don't know who.

I

Who's going to be doing that at that point it would be good for this committee then to move.

I

Forward with a recommendation around that before those those um guidelines are revised, so I could.

M

Build off that before you go ben, so the steve mentioned the national renewable energy laboratory.

M

They put a study forward almost a decade ago on their view of best practices of implementing solar.

M

In any hdc one of the takeaways again, I'm not a scientist, but it was encourage buildings to first.

M

Be sealed before you put solar on it because you could throw a solar on a roof sure. It looks great.

M

You feel like you're doing something good, but it's significantly more beneficial when it comes to.

M

Energy consumption just to tighten the building all around, so it goes through things like that.

M

It does have some suggestions on where solar could be located on roofs.

M

It makes recommendations that solar shingles are better than solar panels. I don't necessarily agree.

M

With that, um however, the only time I spoke at an hdc meeting as an elected official.

M

When I first got elected, I went to the htc uh brought that with me and asked them to consider it.

M

And um uh the new planning director I sent that to her because it came up at the city.

M

Council's retreat, I also sent it to both the mayor, who asked the very same question and.

M

Counselor rich blalock, who is the htc rep, so they all have that and whether there's a new.

M

Version of it or something better, I'm not sure, but that's a good uh starting point. What's the.

C

Name of the organization that enroll it's the national renewable energy laboratory. Thank you.

E

This might be redundant. So stop me if it's, if I'm just talking in circles, but the thing I I.

E

That comes to mind that I envision we're talking about a climate action plan um facilitating.

E

Sustainable practices among citizens and encouraging them and incentivizing them.

E

This the skeptical side, the skeptical voice inside me, says that there are people and there are parts.

E

Of every population that you can incentivize and encourage as much as you want and that's always.

E

Somebody who objects or who doesn't buy in or who doesn't you know care for lack of a better word so.

E

Like the the model, in my mind, the perfect utopian climate action plan city, I go to cup of joe's, not.

E

A not a promotion by the way, no affiliations just for the record. No, no! No about asians.

F

uh When I go, I get uh hibiscus iced tea and it comes in a cup and I'm walking around downtown and.

E

I can put the cup in a receptacle just as easily that I can compost it's a compostable or recycled.

E

It's just as easy for me and it doesn't change my lifestyle. That's where I see the buy-in, so I think.

E

We've already discussed like the holistic approach and how it has to be every step of the way. But we.

E

Can say all day long until we're blue in the face you have to compost. You have to take this to the.

E

Recycling, you have to you know, and people still will will never have that that complete uptake as.

E

As I see it, so I think the focus should be for us to build build this all in as one kind of unit.

E

So that people's lifestyles don't have to change and adapt to whatever we get out of this climate.

E

Action plan but that the city kind of behind the scenes or on the on the back side of that.

E

The city becomes sustainable, it achieves net zero without the citizens having to actually do.

E

Without the perception of of inconvenience or of a great change, that's the way I see it that might be.

E

Redundant, that might be pointless, but I I thought it was it just just came to mind and I wanted to.

K

I think the flip side of that is also just not making it challenging for people who are your.

K

Early adopters to do the progressive things that they want to do, and so whatever we can.

K

Do to publicize like lower fees, lower paperwork and make it easier for people to be incentivized.

K

To do the things they want to do anyway, yep and not make it a million meetings and a lot of hassle.

M

If I could add one thing to something you said earlier lisa you mentioned how having a report.

M

Card and maybe sharing it in advance with in the rfp itself. I think that was steve's idea, but yeah.

M

One of the city's annual documents- um it's I can't remember which one it was. I don't think it's the.

M

Actual budget, but if you flip through it, has icons next to it, which says like this falls in that.

M

Category so something like that already exists and I'm not sure who and staff would be the playing.

M

Department who we could ask like hey, um could you pull out a finance? They create the document.

A

Copper is that the one yes yeah if they could pull out everything that has those icons on it already.

M

So it could be shared as part of the rp, because we don't need to recreate the wheel.

H

Kind of like the net zero energy policy has a goal. It simply exists. Yeah, there's a lot there's a lot.

A

That exists and I think that's that's a really good point. I was thinking about your renewal.

A

Under energy apology, also as a starting point to include so we capture all that first and.

A

Usually in an rfp, you have a list of documents, so you give that in the rfp out to people and.

A

See what they bring back and and how you get that and one of the things about the rfp too.

A

Is it could be informative? You know there might be different things in different rfps that we like.

A

It doesn't have to be that we select the first person we like we might want to get them to.

A

Team up with other people or do different things so there's a lot of different ways to go. But I.

A

Think the more we talk about how we're going to get move forward in the city, the better.

B

I guess, as you've been trying, I'm just being mindful: we've got till at 8 30, correct.

B

um I guess I'm I'm still not, maybe because it's just the end of a long week and I'm sorry.

B

um I'm still not clear from this committee. If there are things that.

B

We want to do for community engagement, this putting out this report card.

B

Letting the community and the residents know what we're already doing from sustainability initiative.

B

Standpoint all that being said, are there things that we want to do in parallel track to releasing.

B

This rfp to sort of um can't think of the, I can't think of the right metaphor, but two tracks going.

G

At the same time, yeah so we're doing the climate action plan and we're doing the energy and we're.

G

Doing the recycling and so they're both going on they're not either or they're, both they're both is.

B

That what you're asking, but I don't know if I'm not I'm, not getting clarity, I'm sorry from the.

B

Committee, if that's something that we want to do, or we want to just say, draft this rfp and release.

B

It you know sometime before june or july. I would think that one of the priorities for the committee.

I

Is to help define a scope of work for the rfp so that we offer some guidance to the city manager.

I

um Into peter, so that so that, um basically, what the committee wants in a climate action plan that.

I

Kind of guidance so that they can write the rfp, but at the same time then after you have them.

I

Initiating that process, then the committee could have like the mayor, suggested community meetings.

I

You know where you gather prior to selecting anyone to to prepare the plan, have community.

I

Meetings where you gather information from the community, so you could have this process started.

I

um But you'd have to issue, you need to issue the rfp so that you can. I think.

I

Usually depends the bidding time. You know you can correct me. I don't know how long it would.

I

Be on a climate action plan usually 30 to 60 days, probably yeah, yeah. Okay, thank you.

B

John and then burt is that right, I think another interesting element here is, I think, kate touched.

H

On last meeting was you know, part of this climate plan and, and the mayor also spoke about right, like.

H

There's going to have to be cost associated right like there's, there's goodness there, but we might.

H

Get some pushback- and you know this goes with, I think, is what was some of the original charter of.

H

The committee is to kind of poke and prod and find projects that are ultimately, you know, cost savings.

H

Right and so there's the the street lights that went a couple years ago and that saved a hundred.

H

Thousand dollars a year or whatever it is right, like that's a good thing right, so there's a cost.

H

Outlay but then every subsequent year falls right. So if we are going to try to uh you know combat.

H

Those little hurdles and battles like should this committee have a point of view. I'm saying hey.

H

Listen like we know that uh you know the budget's going to go up, but we also think that we can save.

H

500, if we do this thing right like and so to me, that is interesting um and potentially something.

H

That we might want to pursue to kind of help, find potential funds or not have as much objections.

G

I think kate hit on a point. That's been on my mind.

G

I've I had about an hour conversation with the consultant who writes rfps and I'm trying to get.

G

That process in my mind, and so when kate said, peter's, probably going to be the one who is.

G

Going to fall on your shoulder shoulders, pretty much yeah well with you guys, yeah! So that's.

G

So it's falling on your shoulders. So, as you are thinking about getting this done and doing it well,.

G

What, if anything, is in your mind that we haven't done or already done that could be helpful to you.

G

How could we be of service to your getting that done, so you could get to bed at a reasonable.

G

Hour, I think the mayor touched on it too, but it's there's. This is not reinventing the wheel.

A

There's climate action fans all over the country and different size, communities and different and.

A

It's not like, we want to go, take south portland's plan or portland spain. Every city is different.

A

So we know you guys, know portsmouth and we kind of know what we want, but I think to kate's point. The.

A

List of things we want to include in there would be um really important, so the either their their.

A

Objectives of the climate action plan: what do we hope to get out of it? It's only 50 000. So it's not.

A

It's not the whole world, but um to me just looking at some of those other plans out there and seeing.

A

What resonates with what this committee has been talking about? Those key points that we want to.

A

Make sure we include, I think that that's what I'm going to do. That's how I do other rfps. You look at.

A

The last ones that were done or other communities that do them or that kind of thing.

A

And try to make it a better project rather than trying to start from scratch and anything along.

A

Those lines, if you look at those and then think about what we can do, I'm still struggling with.

A

The outreach- and you know, there's and john's idea that the city could do something that could save.

A

Five hundred thousand dollars, but the community could do something that could save five million.

A

Dollars you know so what things in the community should we be asking people to do that are gonna.

A

Be moving us in the right direction that those kind of big community things are what I think.

A

Is this plan is really going to be stronger for if we can get there, and I I don't think we shouldn't.

A

Shouldn't tell the government what to do, but I do think we need- and we haven't really in the past.

A

And we can't necessarily make people do things as we've seen before, state law has to be there.

A

For it, but we can encourage people and we can show by example, what can be done. So I don't know.

A

That's a long way around to say you know: what can what can you see that other communities have done.

A

That would be really cool in portsmouth and be effective and get us where we want to go.

B

John john sorry, I've got my back to you, so I can't see and then aubry did you no. I was.

L

Just pointing out that he was waving his hand and he probably couldn't see him john.

N

First, we'll do john kennedy and then and then the other jungle really confusing all right.

N

My middle name, my mother's made me excellent. um I think, there's a lot of good ideas like.

H

Piggybacking off this right, like josh originally or a couple minutes ago, said that you know we get.

H

Kind of more bang for our buck if everyone kind of better insulates their houses right.

H

And like are we ultimately better served if somehow there's a way for portsmouth to like.

H

Really take new hampshire saves, which is an existing program right and like somehow just make.

H

Sure that everyone's aware and I don't know how we do it like- maybe it's a library event or something.

H

But if we can get, you know 10 of ports of houses to retrofit and put better.

H

Insulation, like that's a really big win, it saves the residents money and it ultimately.

H

Saves energy right so are there things like that that are kind of already out.

H

There, which need to kind of better partner with you, know some of these organizations.

N

um So yeah, I just wanted to actually call it a resource. We've talked about um learning. What's.

N

You know not reinventing the wheel. Learning from one of them he's put all municipalities.

N

Have done particularly in new hampshire, um what goes on at concord and how we make sure.

N

Our voices heard there so laurel. I mentioned an organization called clean energy, new hampshire.

N

I've been at this for about a year and a half as a semi-retired person. I joined cnh last year.

N

And I just found them to be a tremendous resource of information.

N

uh They're not for profits, so they're not in the consulting business, but they pull together.

N

Municipalities and businesses and individuals like me, they've got caps. They could help us talk.

N

In more detail to items four five and six so just wanted to shout them out their local organization.

N

Have been at this for about 15 years, very smart, no pun intended, but very high energy people.

N

I think they can help us and they're they're available. It's called clean energy, new hampshire.

F

G

G

Meeting of sustainability at the library last night re showed.

G

Paul hawkins talk about drawdown and there was an interesting part where he said.

G

That 70 of all the greenhouse gases are coming from energy.

G

He said, however, if we completely eliminated all fossil fuel energy.

G

We're still going off the charts in terms of climate change,.

G

Those of us who were there license, I don't know if anybody remembers that.

G

Did I get that correct, so what he was saying was energy is incredibly important. However,.

G

This is why I'm really interested in what the goal of the climate action plan is, because, if the.

G

Goal is to get us to completely neutral energy use, but agriculture agriculture's going consumption's.

G

Going uh people social justice isn't here I mean there's a multitude of things that need to happen.

G

And that's why I felt badly about saying I'm not an optimist.

G

I am hopeful because I'm going to give everything I have to make something happen, but given the.

G

Trends where we're going in the world in the social context in countries cooperating together.

G

We are going to be having to keep our eye.

G

On five to ten years to be at a certain place, with reducing.

G

G

Greenhouse gases.

G

And I'm going to just put out some of the things that concern me.

G

The amazon forest is now not a sink any longer. It is an emitter, that's a huge perturbation in.

G

The system, I think we need to take that in it's, not it's not making me optimistic.

G

And that has political ramifications, the melting permafrost and the forest in alaska.

G

Are really releasing methane, which is a huge contributor so taking in the reality.

G

I'm also taking in that denmark has wind power model in place. That says if we can take.

G

That model there is 13 times more wind power, energy than is needed by all of the world. Today,.

G

So I hear both of those things coming at me at the same time, so I guess john I just to let you know.

G

John as a center, so here's here's where I'm saying that this committee would do well to look at.

G

What is the real goal and I'm sure other people have thought about this? What is the real.

G

Goal of a climate action plan and if we are effective and everybody else is effective,.

G

In doing it that we're going to really get somewhere- and I don't know the answer to that.

G

But I think it's really worth our attention and then I saw john had his hand up on him. John.

B

Aubrey and kate did you have something? Thank you. You just wrote on on the uh resource. Talk you just.

N

Held up one of my favorite authors on this topic, one of the others is john derr quantic perkins.

N

John deere, so he put together a book called speed and scale, and the two of them together are sort.

N

Of the opposite ways of looking at your question, most people, including those two, will agree that.

N

A cap is not meant to go to do just energy exactly right. If all we did was solve energy.

N

We haven't, we haven't stopped the curve, there's a wonderful cheat sheet. I've actually got a printed.

N

Version of it that that came with dara's book see that's so big. It lists nine or ten things.

N

That are climate, relevant power is one, food is one, food waste is one and each of them actually.

N

Has um kpis attached to it? That's outdoor thinks because that's what he does but again, if anyone's.

N

Interested gender speed and scale and anything by paul hawkins, we can literally lift out of that.

N

The things that any municipality or frankly, any business could include in its own count.

B

Aubry and then kate, I think, okay.

L

I was just going to say that I think what you're saying bert is very, very important for context.

L

But I also feel that we're a small committee in a small city we're not going to do anything.

L

About the amazon directly, we're not going to do anything about the melting tundra directly.

L

And we have almost no agriculture, so we can't really affect that.

L

I think that, as a committee, we really need to focus on the things that we.

L

Can put our hands on and control like an example that john gave we don't have control of the food.

L

Side but we do have control of the food waste side, or at least somewhat so like composting, and that.

L

Type of thing is something that we can do, and I I just feel that with limited time and resources.

L

We really have to focus on the things that we can actually effect change on at a local level.

G

I just want to respond. I I feel we do want to be practical. However, the rainforest is being.

G

Destroyed because of part of the agricultural processes which our community is using.

G

uh When you start we're all interconnected, so it's just like when the city does something it's going.

G

To affect the community, I think if we take the top scale, I actually think that when they say 30.

G

Of the carbon going up is due to food. Every single person in the community every day makes decision.

G

About their food and what we can do is connect our everyday habits and power ourselves, and it.

G

Is affecting the amazon yeah, and so that's so I'm not saying it's an either or, and I and I know that.

G

Most of us get mad motivated myself include about things that are actually doing here.

G

But I think that our job is to connect us to the bigger system so that we are aware.

G

That we're not alone, we are actually you know the old, the butterfly in japan, so.

I

Yeah, I think I mean this is a very important discussion to be having, because I think that.

I

That delineates the difference between what our, what our scope of work is for a climate.

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Action plan versus our scope of work for community education, which I think are two elements here- that.

I

Are critical to address you know we, I think the scope of work for a climate action plan.

I

Should be comprehensive, you know. Yes, we should start with a net zero energy policy because we.

I

Have one in place, but that's one policy we hope for a future of many policies right. We want to.

I

Potentially have curbside composting, you know we would like to see.

I

More ev station ev stations for charging. We want to see you know more solar panels on homes, even.

I

In historic district, you know I'd love to see the trees and greenery committee have some rules.

I

Around cutting down trees, you know for the city and policies about replacement of trees, I mean.

I

And even for residents some guidance around that as well. You know so so all of these I.

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Would see this as a comprehensive plan? You know those are just a few of the things that would.

I

Be incorporated in it that would provide the city with guidelines for how we initiate new ordinances.

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For residents, how we initiate new programs for residents and how we, how the city itself provides.

I

Guidance in education, but then there's this other element of this group providing continued public.

I

Education, public input having large meetings around a climate action plan and large discussions.

I

Getting the business community on board with thinking about what is their.

I

Action plan as a community, you know, maybe you involve the chamber of commerce.

I

In the business community, maybe then you also invite peace development authority to to take.

I

Part in our discussions and ask them to develop their own plan as well around that, because the.

I

City has limited impact there. There are things, though, that we can do as a city with regard to.

I

Peace, so so to me, it's it's kind of these two things working in conjunction with each other.

C

C

Looking at other cities, climate action plans we'll get some ideas. What we want for our overarching.

C

Goal and then how we accomplish it, but I wanted to mention that there's a model that cities use for.

C

Motivating businesses and households to be more sustainable. I think it's in california, the last.

C

One I looked at is albany california, and they have sustainable households and they're looking to get.

C

I don't know 300 and they only have half of them. You know they haven't.

C

Gotten the interest and the commitment, but they have a menu of things, that.

C

Households could do kind of looking at the drawdown principles like having more.

C

Plant-Based meals driving to work less frequently, you know things like that or not using the dryer.

C

At home, using a clothesline, you know and people commit to them for their household and then they.

C

Become a sustainable, albany household or something, and they have a parallel.

C

Kind of program for businesses and different plants- and I think that's how the city would.

C

Be involved just in in setting something up and, and we as a committee would play a role in that.

C

um I also wanted to talk about financing what the mayor was talking about. Once we have a plan.

C

You know there's multiple things we have to pay for, and a lot of them are infrastructure and.

C

Capital type expenditures, but there's this really great document, that's in the resource sheet. You.

C

Got it's from the urban sustainability directors network and this is just bend. Oregon's financing.

C

Plan but the point is they have public-private partnerships, they have loans, they have grants, they.

C

Have a revolving load fund, there's all different kinds of you know: partnerships, funding, financing.

C

For all these different projects, so that was just something to keep in mind. It doesn't all come out.

C

Of the city coppers and savings, the point that john made, I think, where steve made, is important.

C

Part of that um and another thing I happen to pick up: unh has at their law school franklin, pierce law.

C

School has 50 students working full-time pro bono in the summer for government agencies.

C

So if we could put somebody on looking at all the zoning and land use, ordinances and the best.

C

In terms of climate, the model ordinances that some some are out there and putting that all.

C

Together in some massive document for the city, I think it'd be worthwhile and I don't know.

C

Who would initiate something like this? You know it's only a two lines in the unh magazine.

C

But I'd love to have someone with that kind of expertise and time to dig in and maybe there's.

C

Something else we should be having a pro bono law student. Looking at um but hearing the mayor talk.

C

And kate mention some things and other people talking about hdc. It seems like a good fit.

I

Can I just note that there's a land use committee right now meeting trying to make changes to land.

I

Use ordinances, so this is another one of those like if you can get them information sooner.

I

Rather than later, okay yeah, but it's the land use committee, so is there one person to reach? Is it.

C

The planning director, no, it's it's a committee of the city council, so it's a subcommittee.

I

Essentially and they're they're meeting and discussing changes to land use um provisions.

I

To our zoning, but it but they're focused around affordable housing. So just know.

I

They're focused around affordable housing issues and and making sure our land use and zoning rules.

I

Encourage that but and making any changes that that we feel like needed to be made.

I

So they're going to come back with recommendations. I don't know.

I

I don't know when they would look at this, but it would be something that they could look at.

I

Yeah and who's in in charge of the committee beth moreau, okay, yeah. Thank you.

B

um I'm just looking at our time um if we could just spend the last half, we've got half an hour.

B

And see if we can just move on to the ev charging stations, which I think josh will take the lead.

B

On discussing that, but I just wanted to throw out one idea to wrap up the cap because it seems like.

B

If this is a focus for our committee, which I think it actually should be- and we've got some.

B

Parallel steps to be taking as far as community engagement and the rfp process and the scope of.

B

Work for that is it worthwhile to set up. I can't remember who pitched this idea of setting up.

B

Almost a subcommittee for the cap process, or if we should just keep on like a subcommittee, makes.

M

Sense to make sure it yeah where they could work outside of this committee and report back versus.

M

Everyone everyone would still have input, but would be the primary focus of those people outside to work on.

B

What's it that makes sense, I guess I'm just curious as to what that.

A

How that would be different than sort of the conversation we're having here or maybe, if there's.

B

A couple people on this committee that sort of want to take me if he took the lead in kind of.

B

Honing in and pulling all these resources together, looking at different rfps, if it would be helpful.

B

You know to you peter to maybe just have a couple of people that between us meeting monthly.

B

Kind of keep pushing this this action item forward. I guess I guess I'm I hate to lose the mind of the.

A

Committee and almost feel like a short section, if maybe that subcommittee could focus this committee.

A

But I I guess just bring bringing back a result from a subcommittee to me from a small group of.

A

This bigger group that has a more diverse, I don't know just another perspective. I don't think I.

A

Don't think the two are exclusive, they both could happen, but I don't. I guess I wouldn't want to see.

A

It happen at the at the loss of being able to have this conversation with the big community.

I

Could a subcommittee potentially meet just between now and the next meeting and come back with just.

I

More information about in recommendations, so that, then this committee could talk about those and.

I

I'm concerned about time frame, I'm concerned about getting information.

I

To the city as soon as possible, so that they can develop an rfp, because the rfp process.

I

Could be, you know, 30 to 60 days anyway, so then you're still looking at you know pushing it out to.

I

May june july, just being careful between, let's say kate, between this meeting and next meeting. If.

B

Our action item is to develop this draft scope of work just for the rfp, I think that'll require you.

B

Know maybe maybe a subcommittee is too official, but maybe just appointing two people to to make.

B

Sure that happens and and work on it with peter and as a blue, ribbon committee out there. I do not.

M

Think any rules prohibiting that versus if it was a standing committee there would actually be rules.

M

So I think it pretty much comes down to who has the time and wants to help on this, whether it's.

M

Via email, whether it's meeting in a coffee shop somewhere just to keep the ball rolling outside.

M

Of here it does not be anything formal, because this isn't really a formal committee yeah. Yet.

C

And um one thing is march: 7th is the hey larry? No, no, are you you're putting your hand up to.

B

Be on the drafting of that yeah. One thing I haven't heard a word of tonight with this.

F

Cap is anything to do with the water, water, runoff protection from flooding.

F

And and that sort of thing and that's going to be, I think that's going to be a part of it, because.

F

What's outside our door right here now, you don't have to be a novice living in the city.

F

To see that there is a lot of water flooding potential here and I just happen to have seen a.

F

Pbs program this week that showed about the floodgates that are down in louisiana to protect.

F

That state, from the same sort of thing, that happened during katrina, that when they have.

F

An issue they closed the floodgates. Well, that didn't come at the drop of a hat. It's something.

F

That's been in planning for for some time, and I think that it needs to be a part of what.

F

We're talking about here in some capacity- and I know that peter's been working on that.

F

For the city, uh devising a system that protects us, um but I don't think it's the.

F

Only thing that we can talk about is what has been done. It's you know. I see the south mill pond as.

F

A disposal, if you will I go, I walk around that and I see those drains spewing out water.

F

From runoff from where I don't know, but they claim they've got everything under control. The city does.

F

But if I see water coming out and it's not clean water, then what are we doing? We're polluting.

F

Downstream everything is going out that way. So well, it's a lot cleaner than when you were younger.

A

Larry I'll tell you that it's a lot cleaner, very few csos compared to what there is now.

A

But it's not perfect, no we're an old city, but we can work at it yeah. I think that.

B

Preparedness piece is a huge part of the climate action plan, so I think effie effie.

B

Then bert, and then we must, we definitely should move on to evie. Sorry, joshua, no yeah. Thanks now.

C

I'm sorry I just wanted to mention march 7th is the capital improvement plan vote and I'm.

C

Not going to be here, but if we want anyone speaking in support of the climate action.

G

I plan to the work session, which seems like a long time ago now, but I can't hear you oh.

E

You're, sorry, I went to the work session. Oh yeah, some time ago. Now I think I don't think.

E

It'll need much of a push. No, but but speaking in favor helps both yourself and christina spoke.

M

And maybe only five total people spoke at the last city council meeting total at the cip.

M

And especially when you spoke ben at the work session that carried a lot of weight for the.

M

Counselors, because anytime, you get involved, so anyone who could attend, preferably in person.

M

Over zoom but zooms an option and there is still a ongoing public hearings, so you can.

M

Speak for as long as you'd like, although we ask you to keep under three minutes,.

M

So if you can make it on february sorry march 7th, uh the meeting should start at seven.

M

And the public hearing should be at the very beginning. Please do just voice your support for it.

G

I just wanted to get closure.

G

Effie has put a lot of work in already, so I don't know if there's more but.

G

Was there anybody who wanted to meet happy or anybody else just.

G

To look into things and and bring them back to help move things along and we.

G

There's people who uh more energy we put together and just bring it back, that'd be really great and.

G

After you've been kind of, are you willing to bring it together? Did you get everybody's name or.

C

I'm happy to work on it. I will be in puerto rico,.

J

um So I think I'd rather not leave it. Would one of you be willing to call people together.

G

One of the four that's okay, john john, will get everybody's name you'll set out sometimes and.

G

Then you can bring it back thanks, john and effie. If you could share with john the documents you.

M

Already have yes and then send it out. Thank you, wonderful, okay, josh for sure for sure.

M

Sure so steve, I know if you want to go with the ev charging stations you asked to be up or I could.

M

Gladly give it one over the world and where it narrow stands, uh you you go yeah. So a big picture.

M

For those who don't know, there's three types of electric vehicle charging stations out there.

M

There's level one, my understanding is, you can just plug your car to the wall socket.

M

And it might take 12 to 20 hours to charge, there's level two, which is the standard chargers. There are.

M

Several around town, including public ones, like the lower lot there, the hanover garage.

M

Has uh one which means two ports and then the new garage has five charging stations in it.

M

And then there's those might take 8 to 12 hours to charge and then there's level 3.

M

480 volt chargers, which could charge a vehicle in about 30 minutes. um They are quite popular for ev.

M

Enthusiasts because you'd much rather be able to park your place, your vehicle for 30 minutes.

M

And charge it versus all night and there's a big push in the buying administration to roll them.

M

Out the bipartisan infrastructure law has a lot of money in it that can be used for things like this.

M

There are some limitations: we'd have to be close to the highway same thing with.

M

Volkswagen got a lot of hot water years ago. There are diesel vehicles, they were lying about.

M

The emissions which ended up in a lawsuit and then there's money out there for this right now.

M

So that's big picture. um For several years I tried getting a dc fast charger so level three.

M

Downtown in the capital proven plan, uh I was successful it initially. I wanted.

M

In market square, what I learned is: it's: you want charging stations where they're publicly visible.

M

Not tucked away- and I got some pushback from then the mayor and city manager said hey. Let's.

M

Do the bridge street lot instead and that's where the pop-up was two years ago, so the one.

M

Across from where the whalen wall used to be so, I'm going to be dating myself with that, the.

M

And I had pushed to include it, I asked for a report back and how we could fund an ev charging.

M

Dc fast charger downtown, the report back came with a couple things of note.

M

So one charging station with two ports would likely cost a hundred thirty thousand dollars.

M

And that doesn't come with the 480 volt electricity pack, I'll simply call it that.

M

Which is likely around twenty thousand dollars from eversource, it's probably close to 150 000.

M

I would love to see it. I don't know if there's electricity capacity for downtown right now.

M

Likewise, it's could be a hard sell on the public, but one thing which report back did say is.

M

It would make more sense in their view, to do uh level two charging stations downtown uh for.

M

A couple of reasons um I'm saying downtown, I'm talking about the um there's different parking.

M

Zones so the prime places downtown to park, uh they recommended level two charging stations there.

M

Instead, they are less expensive for probably about half the cost and you don't need.

M

A 480 volt booster, you could get probably three chargers, so six actual ports.

M

There wasn't any specific places recommended, but they said that would make more sense.

M

And their logic was the opposite logic of what I had previously heard, which is.

M

You want a dc fast charger in a by a convenience store or by a coffee shop or.

M

The library where people stop for a short period of time versus downtown my account.

M

Argument's always been well there's 15 minute parking and then there's three hour parking.

M

With all of that said, and with the city's state of preference being level, two chargers downtown.

M

At this moment, I just want to see what everyone's thought would be, instead of me pushing to include.

M

A level 3 dc fast charger downtown, possibly pushing like all right. Well, let's do some level 2.

M

Chargers at street level parking downtown and the best time to do anything like this is when.

M

There's actually work already being done. Market square is getting ready to be torn up. That's where.

M

I originally won the dc fast charger. Likewise fleet street street's gonna be torn up. So um I.

M

Could make that proposal for that instead, but I want to throw that out there and get everyone's.

M

Thoughts on, I just had a question about the the fast charger. How many plugs are you talking about.

M

So for a dc fast charger, so one station is two plugs two plugs, so that would be around a hundred.

M

Fifty thousand dollars, if the electricity exists and really so I I drive a chevy volt.

E

Nice, so I have the electric car ownership insight which may be you know it's a little bit different.

E

Because I do have a small amount of gas, but the principle is the same, so I know I leave the house.

E

I have a charger at my house I'll leave with a full battery in the morning. Usually that's enough.

E

For my daily driving, there are a couple places portsmouth, the hanover garage being one of them.

E

The newmarket public library has one free level, two charger um and I think oh, that's fantastic.

E

But unless I desperately need electricity, if I'm not gonna be leaving the car for five six.

E

Hours, I think, okay, what's the point I'll just park anywhere else, so if we're gonna be having.

E

Level two chargers: they should, I think- and I think you touched on this- they should be in places where.

E

People are leaving their cars for for very long periods of time, because otherwise, if market square.

E

Is covered in level two chargers? The way I see it, no one's gonna use them. No one's gonna say.

E

Okay, let me get my, let me get my card or my app out, and you know sign in and pay and a lot of.

E

The time it's just easier to skip it and go home and charge at home if you have a charger at home,.

E

Whereas the level three, I think, there's a lot of logistical challenges, so I think we would be.

E

Pinpointing them to where they are most acutely needed because they are so expensive and so.

E

Infrastructurally uh demanding- and I think those if, if we instead of doing, say, 10 level, 2 chargers.

E

I think two or three stations of a really high speed, all right, I'm going in to grab a coffee.

E

15 minutes I want 75 battery capacity. I see people using that and utilizing that much more frequently.

E

And I think it's like a mental barrier, almost of it's so much easier, and that was my original.

M

Mindset when I was pushing for it, so I think I think the original concept is a strong one. Aubry.

L

um I I had a couple of thoughts, um one as far as 480 can we get because I know they don't have 480.

L

Power everywhere is that something that we could talk to like eversource and get a map of where.

L

They actually have 480 lines in the city. I would start with believe they could and the reason why.

M

The report that came back said the bridge street lot would again be the most likely place is.

M

Because of the electricity there's, I don't want to say a shortage of electricity, but with a lot of.

M

Construction going on downtown, there might not be the 480 volts required right right.

M

In market square or fleece yeah, just I think from my understanding, it's somewhere on hanover street.

J

They'd have to come from and they'd have to go across the street, so you have to dig up the street.

J

And get to transform or set your transformer over there um there's power issues. With this I mean.

J

If you're looking to put it anywhere, there's going to be power issues all over town, a lot of our.

J

Facilities don't have the cap just straight up, do not have the capacity for that.

J

um I I have a lot of concerns about this. um I approach it from sort of maybe a different angle.

J

um I know hearing from people I work with who've dealt with power issues in all the facilities.

J

That we don't have the capacity for some of these chargers, even the level two ones.

J

Because they didn't provide enough space on the service for future growth, which they should have.

J

In my view, I feel like if you, if you're just joe schmo taxpayer, whatever you want, and you want to.

J

Believe you believe in charging, you want to build out the infrastructure you want to.

J

You want to get these in as many places as possible. I personally, like the level 2 just.

J

Because you can get the most bang for your buck.

J

Things I've heard from from people around they say: okay, you might have a dc fast charger there and.

J

Why should I be charging for free this work for small free or whatever this person to put up.

J

300 miles of charge, so they can drive back to new york. No, you want to get into town and you.

J

Get them up enough charge, so they can get back to where they came from and they stay a couple hours.

J

And they spend some money downtown. I think it's an easier sell and I think you, when you get that more.

J

For your money, you know you're building out that infrastructure a lot more. So that's kind of the.

J

Way I approach it, um so that's just a couple of thoughts. I mean I have a thousand thoughts. Those.

J

Are just the ones on the top of my head, yeah and then john, I think sorry, aubry I'll be quick.

C

I have an electric car and I would love for there to be a supercharger or you know fast charger.

C

Near portsmouth, whether it's in portsmouth or not, we have to go to see brooks portland or concord.

C

For a fast charger, it's ridiculous and a level two just it takes a long time. um We use a trickle.

C

Charge the low level charge most the time you know if we're just going to be driving around town.

C

But um if you, if we had a fast charger, it would bring people in too people that are traveling.

C

Would stop to charge their car and get their coffee and do whatever? um But I I don't.

C

Think having level two, I don't think we want to encourage people parking downtown anyway. You know.

C

We want them out at the parking garages, so that's my two cents, I think john aubry and then ben.

N

Yes, so a couple things if you just touched on one of them location at some point, I think we're going.

N

To be looking to make the city more walkable and have fewer cars come down so as harsh as.

N

It sounds I wouldn't cry too badly if they weren't high-speed charging downtown. If we had high-speed.

N

Charging in high handover and foundry that would be great in the garage. um That said what I just.

N

Suggested as we look out a few years and think about what's the charging station inventory.

N

Going to look like, but me personally, I would like portsmouth to have a reputation with people.

N

Like my tesla owning son-in-law is oh yeah, there are lots of chargers available right now. There.

N

Aren't I mean we live two streets over from congress and we generally can't get. I want to.

N

I'm thinking maybe a 70 30 80 20 mix of level twos in the higher numbers because we can get so many.

N

More endpoints, yes, some number of fast chargers, but I'd love to see more chargers in more garage.

N

Based locations and just advertise the heck out of it, so people are here and outside of portsmouth.

N

Yeah and this general made a great point- we're not trying to get people charged up to 300 miles.

N

We're not I mean if we try to do that, we're going to run out of budget after the sixth.

N

The sixth outlet we're trying to get to the point where they don't feel the range anxiety.

B

I think it was ben and aubry kate.

E

So I think that was a really good counterpoint, steve and I, I think, what it's kind of leading.

E

Me to is is now we're at this this precipice, almost of it's a lot easier for us to just.

E

Say let's do level two for now? That's that's the the path of least resistance. It gets us.

E

And we've been talking about visibility as a as a group. That's a that's! A very visible initiative.

E

So I I do agree that the bang for the buck and the visibility- I don't think that should be discounted.

E

I think the need will exist very soon. The demand will exist more acutely for the level three.

E

But I think I see a can of worms digging up downtown with infrastructure projects.

E

uh And then all right, we're digging up market square, we're digging up fleet street, you know, etc.

E

What else do we need to change? Where does the infrastructure need to.

E

You know accommodate other new uh energy draws and such things, so I think.

E

I'm trying to collect all of my my many scattered thoughts, but I I think the level two might be a.

E

Good kind of a first foray, but I think we should not. I think it shouldn't be black or white. I think.

E

We should not put to continue the eggs in the basket all of our eggs in that basket. We should.

E

Say all right, let's put a couple, see how it goes. I think um who was who said cars need to be probably.

E

Leaving downtown instead of coming in so I think the strategic placement will come into play with.

E

Level three chargers: I think, there's going to be infrastructure projects happening in the future.

E

In the near future, that would be the perfect point to really that's her to really. You know sync, this.

B

Yes, aubrey and then kate, I believe, okay, um we're gonna, run out of time tonight.

L

Yeah, okay, I'll be quick, a couple couple of thoughts I have or one um I'm also pretty.

L

Down with the bang for the buck thing, I think, like two of the level twos is probably more valuable to.

L

For visibility than you know, one of the level ones, um I think you get a lot more um bang for the buck.

L

Downtown if people have I mean I, I could see those easily being used for somebody who's coming into.

L

Town they stop they park, they go to dinner. Maybe they go to the press room whatever they they're.

L

There for a few hours- and that gives them not a full charge, but at least enough that they get that.

L

Extra 100 miles to get home or whatever they need to do, um it's sounding like and I'm not a electric.

L

Car driver myself yet, but there's what only less than a half a dozen of these in the whole state.

L

So if we're going to have one of those I mean it seems like got it the no at the traffic circle.

L

Or something would be the perfect spot, there's more than that like at seabrook. I think now there.

C

Might be 12 they've been in oh okay, so there's a bunch of maybe eight or ten like. I could see the.

L

The parking lot at the liquor store, for example, being a perfect spot for those, because they're.

L

I mean they're right by the highway, there's tons of parking. There um I mean. Maybe it's not the.

L

Perfect place for somebody to spend a half an hour, but I mean that's the type of central location.

L

That's easy and easy out it's out of downtown, and one last thought I have is 130 thousand dollars.

L

That's a brand new technology. I bet in like three or four years that sound eighty thousand dollars.

L

Or less as they get widely adopted, um and we may also want to talk with like the utilities, because.

L

They have every incentive in the world to promote electric driving, so maybe there's some kind of.

L

Synergies, we can do with the utility like they pay for that 40 line to go in and we pay for the thing.

L

Or something like that, maybe there's something that can be done there. There are public private.

M

Partnerships with um builders in general, so they could pay for part of it and advertise on it.

M

But that's exactly what I was going to jump off on. um What can we do as far as incentivizing.

I

Private privately owned lots to put in chargers. We could play around with ordinances a lot.

I

Yeah, so so that it's not all city money, it's we get somebody else to do it.

I

For us, with some kind of putting them in there, yeah yeah common man's put it replacing the.

A

You know come in with a proposal to replace the burger king across from water country and there's.

A

Chargers, the back of that site, so I think there'll be more on private business because.

A

That brings customers to their especially restaurants and longer stay kind of places.

B

Can we put a caveat in about where the power is actually coming from? That's tough, it's kind.

B

Of like so, the um congress made a small mistake, they put a caveat in the bipartisan funding bill.

M

Saying that it needs to be american-made and I think there's one company that makes american.

M

Dc fast chargers and almost all the parts come from uh countries that have the minerals like.

M

China or whatever else so, okay awesome. Did you get enough feedback? I did. I got the feedback. I.

M

Wanted and I could hit on the greenhouse guest inventories and the outdoor dining composting.

M

In about a minute, a piece sounds great, so another report back we had requested, was.

M

One on greenhouse gas inventories- currently there's been one every six years, just to.

M

Pretty much do the baseline. Here's where we are here's where we're going.

M

The um last one was in 2018. uh the question I'd asked for was like how best to fund.

M

One every year not actually expecting one every year, but just that's the initial proposal and the.

M

City manager's response to that was essentially that should be part of the um climate action plan.

M

So that makes total sense and then, as far as outdoor dining composting, um when did you first.

M

Come speak here about banning plastic shopping bags. Eight years ago, yeah yeah, we first met.

M

2013. uh becca's proven effort, two ban plastic shopping bags.

M

I was an early adopter to it fast forward and your sister ben x helped, with this passed uh a.

M

City-Wide ban on styrofoam cups and containers and then a far more comprehensive ban on city property.

M

To include mandating composting at the time there's only six or seven restaurants during.

M

Outdoor dining, but the goal for me was always to expand that number and impose a penalty.

M

And with outdoor dining now and um it's coming back- which I think is a great thing.

M

I had a proposed motion which would have been half the proposed cost of outdoor dining for.

M

All the restaurants and then charge a fee under this ordinance for the remaining half for those.

M

That don't compost, I read the room. It was pretty obvious that people didn't want to.

M

Charge that much money period for anything so instead I changed the motion and also on.

M

March 7th, the fee committee is going to be meeting and unanimous vote by the city council.

M

Authorizing us to set a fee for food establishments on city property that do.

M

Not compost, so it's a step in the right direction and the reason why there's been a lot of focus on.

M

Composting is food. Waste is the third largest source of greenhouse gas emissions due to.

M

Methane, so um we'll come up with something a plant, so there will be a fee. It's not going to be.

M

100, it's not going to be thousands of dollars, but um it's a good first step.

I

Can I take one second here just to um josh is doing an amazing job at the city council.

I

Presenting different issues every single meeting, it seems on climate issues, and so I just want to.

I

Take the opportunity to let you guys know that there's usually something on the agenda and josh.

I

Has usually proposed it and um he's doing a great job advocating for um this committee and for what.

I

What needs to be done so, thank you. So is there anything coming up that we should know about.

M

Not off top of my head, but I've been up since 4 30.

B

B

It is now past 8 30.. I know we wanted to talk about sustainable.

B

Sustainability visib visibility, efforts which we touched on last time. Burt do you would like.

G

To move that off, okay and recommend that we stop the recording, if we do a quick checkup sounds good.

A

Can I just ask one question before we do that the mayor brought up doing meetings on zoom versus.

A

This recording, which I think is probably brings more people in, but it's also something to think.

A

About do you want more people in so um I can set up a zoom with their agendas. It's easy and.

A

It does provide people that don't want to go out, especially now um with that opportunity, so.

A

Doesn't it need to be on zoom if it's a standing committee, or is that not the case right now.

K

I know that it is no, I don't know I lost track of that right, like it's, not a requirement.

I

Because we're not under emergency provisions anymore, but I would say, don't be surprised.

I

If there are recommendations that come out that everyone is accessible on zoom.

I

I would not, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see that coming out of governance.

B

Thank you for doing that. It is it's a great I mean as far as accessibility goes yeah. It opens.

B

It up to everyone, I'm all for it, but I I always prefer to at least have the option to come in and.

E

If other people wanted to, I think we should continue having the physical discussion just.

E

Because yeah, I'm not I'm not saying we shouldn't, have the regular meeting, I'm just saying would we.

A

Want to open it up to zoom to bring more people in or so effie can do it from puerto rico. Yeah.

C

Yeah, no, I think that I'll be back for the next one. Just for the record too, I need some clarity.

B

On the symposium- because I know this committee- the city is sponsoring, but I don't have a good.

B

Sense of when that is, and so can we put that on the agenda for next time. Okay, great the symposium.

A

Can you tell me the date now, do you know do you know we are in the process of trying to find out.

A

Okay, we're trying to create the path as we walk it. Okay, thank you just one quick thing I heard peter.

C

On national public radio, talking about coastal resilience initiative too, I still haven't heard.

A

It I can't find it it's during the hourly update, so it's just all right, sustainable planner. It's.

I

Great, that's good, yeah very well done, and I heard laura lee on it about two weeks prior updates.

I

I was just going to say if, um as far as a symposium, if it gets pushed at all into 2023,.

I

Would highly recommend talking to the portsmouth 400 folks about schedule.

E

I have I have some connections there. I think some other people do as well.

B

I think we speed around there at the end, but- and we have to push some things to the.

B

Next meeting, but it's pretty stop the recordings. The worst problems to have.

E

Yeah exactly um yeah, I guess we can stop the recording, stop the recording, see and.