City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Sustainable Practices, 27 Jun 2023

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6.22.2023 Sustainable Practices Blue Ribbon Committee

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Does anybody have any corrections or anything they want added or changed or anything from last month's meeting minutes.

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That's like all right: if not, will somebody make an order to accept.

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Themselves, the minutes from may 25th great, the second second and everybody in favor.

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Great all right- um and so the third item on the agenda this evening is christina.

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And plastic free july and skip the stuff okay, so I'll start with stupid, stuff and.

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For anybody who doesn't know yes, so I'm also gonna.

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Posse is this way, and maybe if we have just one of each on each table, then people can just.

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Share okay, so my name is christina dubin excited yeah. I think we just want to do it as a share.

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Screen and then the recording will capture it. Oh okay, I don't think it'll capture it with us.

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um Sorry yeah remember: I don't have readers yet. Thank you.

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Sorry, there's all the clicks that are happening somewhere here: okay,.

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So I'm christina dubin I live in portsmouth. I have kids um in the little harbor school system. You get.

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Out of there, um I am the campaigns coordinator for the surf rider foundation, new hampshire chapter.

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um And I'm also a full-time community organizer for beyond plastics, which is a nationwide project.

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Out of bennington college um with the mission to end plastic pollution everywhere, that's all.

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So um skip the stuff is a campaign that was originally introduced by upstream solutions.

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But there are many different versions of it and I created a skip. The stuff we'll get on the beyond.

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Plastics website and uh there's lots of different model ordinances, just zero beyond plastics and.

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Many others, so um this is something that's been around for a while and the the idea is that.

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We have all of this waste coming from take out foodwear accessories right, so you can.

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See up here, billions of disposable food service items that are creating millions of tons of waste.

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And a lot of these are not necessary. People don't want them. They're, just included by.

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Default, they are not recyclable and I'll skip ahead to another slide and then come back.

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um Well, I know jess has presented before on plastics the plastics problem in here, but I'll.

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Just say that less than six percent of plastics get recycled and plastics three through seven.

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um Are not at all ones and twos in states with container deposit bills have high rates of.

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Recycling because it's a clean stream versus um those being in a co-medical situation, so.

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um So these items are not recyclable, they're not getting recycled. If they're compostable there.

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Are issues that I won't go into, but they're confused with compostables and bioplastics.

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um That's not, they don't have legal definitions, uh they're only they're defined within the federal.

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Trade commission screen guides, but those are not um like legal definitions in terms of across.

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The board, so there can actually be fossil fuel based plastic in a bioplastic up to 80 percent.

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They can have pfas and other chemicals, just like plastics can, if they don't make it to an.

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Industrial facility, then they're going to degrade into microplastics just like their fossil fuel.

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Counterparts so- and there are true compostables that actually do right breakdown in the backyard.

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um But that's a whole nother presentation, so so the answer here is really simple: it's just switch.

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It to opt in versus opt out, and so the idea is that the customer is the one who requests the item.

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So if the customer's ordering to ordering takeout, they can verbally say I would like utensils or if.

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They're doing it online, they would have to check a box and opt in it's important to note here. The.

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Idea is not for the restaurant. The burden should not be on the restaurant to ask the customer.

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And this can sometimes create friction where restaurants will seem a little worried that.

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um They're going to be upset if they get home and they don't have those utensils. There is a.

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Little bit of a you know, behavior change here, um but overwhelmingly, especially post pandemic.

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We see that people are taking these items home or to offices with reusable um silverware, etc.

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So not only does it lower waste um and it is cut, it. There's cost savings for the restaurant.

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So it's a pretty easy sell to restaurants right, especially when they're trying to still recover.

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um You can see this is just one case study um and I am spacing where this restaurant is right. Now I.

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Want to say, like maryland or something like that: um they they have the skip the stuff. So.

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They're asking before um and it says that they are asking, but again we want to flip that and.

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Have the customer ask if they want these these accessory items and then, if you look down to the.

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Bracket, we have a polystyrene band, so they it's similar right. They just removed that.

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uh From their from their restaurant and made um swaps, so it's a really great thing for.

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For restaurants and for city for for residents, and where we are at in this um campaign, is a voluntary.

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um Presentation to restaurants so we're just trying to get restaurants to voluntarily say we're.

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Going to skip this stuff um and they can put the sign that I passed around in their window front.

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Next to their cash register and and then we have um different tools to get people to share this.

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With the community, so I had a letter to the editor published in seacoast online portsmouth herald. We.

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Really want other people publishing letters to the editor. um We have social media write-ups, so people.

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Can share this on their personal accounts or or in organizations other organizations so really.

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Just trying to get the word out about what is skip the stuff, why is it good? Why do we want to do that.

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And the idea is that we would get to a point where we'd want to pass an ordinance. Because.

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um We would want as new restaurants and businesses come in. We would want them to come in under that.

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And just immediately be skipping the stuff. This is also paired with or kind of dovetails with.

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Our the surf riders ocean friendly restaurants certification program, so I'm really excited to.

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Say that um we have three restaurants now in portsmouth, there's actually a fourth one, but.

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I can't announce it yet because they're finishing up some paperwork and that fourth one has, I think.

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Like eight locations um or seven locations outside of portsmouth, so it's like a big deal.

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Yeah, you might be able to guess what that crew, and so these restaurants have to meet seven criteria.

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And then they have three optional criteria, and one of the seven is that they have to skip this.

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Stuff so they're already, even if they don't have to skip this to a poster they're ocean friendly.

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So they're already doing that and then the two on the bottom um parked in rye and stone face. I just.

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Found out yesterday is um skipping this stuff, so I'm gonna get posters over to them. We'll shout.

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Out to them on social media and then in dover, the dover plastics reduction group, which used to be.

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um Dover democrat, that's whatever they're, not partisan, they're normative partisan.

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Affiliation anymore, so they've been doing a lot of work with restaurants, um so they have.

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A number of restaurants in dover, dover that are participating, so it's really exciting.

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um And we just want to continue. You know getting this out getting the word out to restaurants.

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um And and again just building that um the awareness of it, the practice of it in the.

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Restaurants and and then hopefully you know, get get an ordinance passed, so I think yeah.

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That was it, um so I do have so that there's an information sheet there and the posters.

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um I do have a couple sample um ordinances, one is from from just zero and one is.

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um From beyond plastics, so you're welcome to to take a look at if you want.

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um And I think that's it. Okay, if you have any questions awesome. Thank you, yeah. Thank you. Awesome.

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um Can we approach restaurants and ask them to do this because I just copied the qr code.

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So I have the information, so um I think because there's one I think of and every time I order it.

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To go, I say none of the. I don't want to give too specific here, but yeah the condiments on the side.

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And they always are in the bag. Yes, so I think the best way to do this actually is through existing.

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Relationships right, your favorite coffee shop, your favorite, restaurant and- and you know you can keep.

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These sheets, you'll notice, I had to type on my email address, so I have to print some more anyway.

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um But it's really easy to explain. This is not complicated right, so I think going somewhere.

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And just saying hey, do you want to have you know all these access to take out accessories.

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Be opt-in versus opt out, um and then I can get them a poster, or I can give you posters and you.

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Can get it to them so they can stick it up, so I really want you know these to be up so that.

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um You know, residents see it and also tourists are seeing it. You know we're kind of creating a buzz.

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um And you know again we're going to shout them out on social media and um we want them to feel.

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Good about it, and and not in turn to maybe bring new customers in because they appreciate the.

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Waste reduction that that the restaurant's doing that's great thanks, awesome, great yeah. Are there.

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Other ways that we can support you, christina so um yeah I mean if um again, if you wanted to write a.

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Letter to the editor, um so so there's a toolkit on the beyond plastics, so beyondplastics.org.

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um I can't give you the whole year out, that's too long, but if you go there and you click on the act.

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Tab you'll be taken, you'll scroll down and see all these toolkits, and one of them is.

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Skip the stuff so you'll see this graphic and if you click on that it has a sample.

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Letter to the editor- and it also links to our letter to the editor, writing kit. If someone.

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Has never written one before goes through the whole process? How to do that? How to submit it.

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um And then same with social media, the social media toolkit takes you to a page.

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With pre-written posts that are like template posts, you just have to plug in your information.

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um Graphics, so it just makes it really easy. um You could certainly just write your own.

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Post and if you're at a place, if you're at a restaurant one of these restaurants, that I had.

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um Here you know if you it'd be great. If, if you normally, you know say, oh, I just had.

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A great dinner you know had a coffee at white heron and guess what they're skipping the stuff.

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um And it's just hashtag skip the stuff. All one word great: does it only relate with takeaway.

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Orders, or does it also apply for in restaurants, so skip the stuff, is just for takeout, okay, but.

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That being said, I mean there's some restaurants, that will then like remove um self-service areas.

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Or make something bulk and put it into paper cups instead of the condiment packets right.

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Yep, so that could be certainly suggestions as part of it. They're skipping the stuff.

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I have a couple restaurants in mine too. I think kind of already do this so like what's the value.

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On that side, is it just kind of that, like so exposure and yeah product was like that they were.

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It was looking through it. They were like we're already doing that. I'm like great put up a poster.

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um It's because it lets the customers know that you're doing that and it gets them thinking about.

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About that wastefulness, that might be happening in other places, and this is a lobe. This is like low.

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Bar of entry here right, like we, really want to be grouping up to to actually having like reusables.

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For all on-site, dining and reusable take take it take away containers um which also working.

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On a pilot project course so we'll get there um but yeah. I think this it's more of like an.

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Awareness right, yeah and it'll help those other restaurants that aren't doing it to get there.

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It's not, I do have a general question. Is that the kind of thing that the municipality would.

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Completely stay out of maybe that's a peter answer, a question um just with my other residence babe.

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It's actually, you know city-wide, uh and I know that larger cities do it. Yeah new york city, just.

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Passed, I skipped the stuff bill, um so that means that if it's, if it's an ordinance that.

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Gets passed and it has to and it's enforced yeah another thing. I guess this municipality isn't.

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Getting involved in this to actually they've tried, I think I think we're working continue.

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To work towards it, yeah, oh okay, so it might be short of you know. There's enough traction! It.

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Needs a little more yeah. It needs a little more support but yeah, okay, cool, okay. The answer is.

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Got it okay started.

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So quick observation: I would say that um what do we have there? Six seven restaurants.

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Out of the hundred and something in portsmouth, it seems like there's some low-hanging fruit here.

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Yeah, absolutely yes and and say: dover has just had like a restaurant team on the ground going.

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Around and doing a survey so we'll use survey so we're just sitting down with restaurant owners.

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Talking to them doing these surveys- and we just didn't- have the volunteer capacity for that. So.

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We're a little bit behind in portsmouth and would love the the help um in going around to.

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Restaurants and yeah, if you know the owner or again, if it's somewhere, you frequent and they.

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Know you it's really easy to just you know, walk up and talk about it, not during a busy hour, though so.

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um As far as plastic free july, I saw that on there and I I don't know if you want to talk about what.

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What you were thinking in terms of the yeah okay yep, so um I did submit a potential proclamation to.

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The mayor that includes it's like declaring july uh plastic, I think it's plastic reduction month.

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And it would include some skip the stuff language um surrounding that, so hopefully that might happen.

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um And we're just calling it like skip the stuff summer. um So that's kind of the.

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Idea this this is like the main focus um that that we're. I guess that I'm focusing on here.

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Beyond plastics nationally, I'm I have a whole um tool kit and working with groups who are.

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Doing various events, some of them bringing plastic waste back to district legislative offices to get.

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Behind you know, whichever bills they're trying to get past. um So if you're interested in a.

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Particular plastic free july event: we have a ton of resources and I will be participating.

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In jess's community conversations so interview, this is like would be a really cool thing to.

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Add to I mean we have so many events that are so restaurant based like restaurant week or you know.

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I'm blanking on the um food festival: uh oh yeah, the giant food festival happens every year, yeah.

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And like how to like that seems like a really good way to you, know kind of integrate. This kind of.

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Stuff, um so I think those are conversations that would be really great to have like restaurant week.

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Is working with this concept and even if it's just temporary for that thing, hoping that.

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Restaurants and the behavioral change could be adopted right past. That.

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Yeah definitely that would be. I mean I don't know if it's too late for.

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Restaurant week it's two a year, the next one I think is in november or something recently yeah.

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Really, um yes, that would be great, and- and there are some.

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Other connections that people have made with like, what's the seacoast eats local online.

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Yeah so things like that, it would be great to to speak to the people.

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That are heading it and and yeah partner with them. uh Building on what tori said.

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uh See uh seacoast can, as a committee that's working for a year round.

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um Picking a restaurant each month to feature a vegan menu and uh that committee might this would.

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Be a really easy add-on. So nice connection, thank you. Yes, thank you. That'd be great.

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That's awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Christine you're welcome.

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uh That was my everybody's all set with that. We can move on to the next item, which is the.

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Community engagement committee update: do you want to do that about transportation.

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Did you have I could or you could or uh I will talk to the one in july? If you want to speak.

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To the one all right uh write the date down the uh thursday june 29th from 6 30 to 8 pm.

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Over in the 11th cinema room in the library, so it's going to be 6 30 to 8 an hour and a half.

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And what's nice about it, it's the uh first of five or more conversations that some communities.

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Going to have regarding what we can do to get to a climate safe planet, basically, but using.

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The cap to support it this year and this will be the first of the series, so it will be ongoing so.

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We're looking for continuity, this is kind of our pilot year. uh The alliance who wanted to.

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Be here tonight is doing grandparent sitting for twins uh in the midwest somewhere. So I am. uh We.

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Have a wonderful uh three-part sponsorship for this, which is what we wanted to do. Smart growth.

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Is a co-sponsor and they're using their mailing list, and this is the first event that they've had.

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Since covet came out, so I ran into somebody the other day and they were telling me about.

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The conversation where'd you hear about it, so everybody who would like uh we have this poster.

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It's uh I usually wouldn't print it out, but the thanks to um portsmouth climate action and to jess.

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And uh her design connections, uh we have a logo uh that is there, and so it's just it talks about.

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Community, it's! This is truly a manifestation when I heard emotional connection, people care.

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And people want to give their time and that's what this is about. uh There will be an agenda there.

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Will be presenters of best practices on mobility, there will be a chance to dialogue in small groups.

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And then come back and feed the information back to this city for the dialogue, uh there's.

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Several other people want to add anything after it is that just you want to add anything to that.

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That was it yes, oh my god, I I well. I did one other thing. The.

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Agenda will be, uh and you want feedback from everybody. This will be a template agenda.

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Which, hopefully, we can learn from what works and doesn't work and then, in july.

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When we do the plastics you can pick up and and go from there, so you want to go from there sure.

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um So we are working on the community conversation for july, which, in honor of plastic free july, is.

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Going to be about waste and specifically around plastic recycling and composting.

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And so christina has graciously. Oh, the tentative date right now is tuesday july 25th.

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I believe, um hopefully it will be in the levinson room as well.

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At 6 30, I'm waiting to confirm details with the library on that.

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um Christina has graciously agreed to be one of our content, informant people and speak to.

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The plastics issue, um tom r erwin, who is the vice president of the conservation.

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Law foundation from new hampshire, who is a portsmouth resident but spends most of.

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His day in concord, working on rules and regs and where we are as a state about.

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How we manage waste and what we're doing around that has also agreed to participate.

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um And I am hoping the other piece we might get is somebody from dpw to talk to where we are as.

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A community and what we're doing as a city what options we have at the transfer station right now.

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I don't think a lot of people know all the things that they can bring to the transfer station and.

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Just maybe our success rates, if we can get that information like christina said with so little.

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Being recycled, how are we doing as a community and do we need to re-look at that um and again.

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As bert mentioned, we're kind of waiting on some of the things to see how transportation goes to.

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See what kind of participation we get and then do? We just have a big group discussion after.

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And see what people think and what we should be doing as a community and again sending all.

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That feedback back to the cap consultant and hoping to help shape the climate action plan.

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um And that's about it, hopefully we'll partner with the library on this one: smart growth, if it.

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Works timing, wise. The only other thing I would add is that we've also talked about climate.

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Change and health impacts. We have a nurse who's very involved in the portsmouth climate action.

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Group and she's expressed interest about doing something around that, and I know councilor cook.

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Had talked about resiliency and that piece too, so that's definitely one that we keep thinking about.

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Just trying to get people to engage to help organize and figure out what these look like.

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Questions yes, more comments, so tom irwin's, actually, the president of new hampshire chapter.

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Cla he's vice president of the organization itself, he's an all-around great guy who I've known for.

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The better part of the decade, yes and very knowledgeable yes, so I think he'll be thank.

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You I know he has like a dual title, but I always forget exactly how that works.

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So he's the I believe, the tile's president, but he's the person in charge of the conservation.

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Law foundation of new hampshire, but they fall under the conservation.

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Law foundation, which has essentially a branch in each state in new england, so.

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A plug-in for green building and infrastructure; okay, with the hope that maybe we could tie.

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It to some of the work that I'm not going to jinx and say it will be done.

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Well, if that is something that, like I said, we, you know part of organizing these things.

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Is just getting people to help organize who can speak to the issue and that kind.

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Of stuff, so we can definitely. I can hear what you're saying I'm sorry, uh I said.

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That we I've wanted to put a plug-in for green building and infrastructure.

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Another thing that we're looking at the original thought was: uh there were five uh sectors in the.

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Crime vacuum plant we were thinking to have them go along with each of the sectors and so dory your.

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Name came up several times and that's the kind of thing that we can plan ahead and try to relate it.

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Back to the sectors and all the another thing that will fit in here at each of the conversations will.

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Do a plug for bright action, hoping that bright action will be a platform that people can sign.

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Up uh and take personal action or organization reaction through a church, so we're trying to.

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Get an integrated program, we don't know what's going to work, but that's kind of the fun of it.

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um And I I love the idea of doing like resiliency in the face of sea level rise and bringing in some.

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Of those experts that spoke um at the keeping history above water conference because there.

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Are a few local experts and I don't think a lot of our local individuals had the opportunity to.

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Have access to to what they said? Is that I'm sure you already have these connections, but I have some.

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Connections at unh to the coastal resiliency group yeah. They do really great work.

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uh Kate, with that uh have a potential tie in with cold benefits and health, so I mean they.

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Can learn not to get oh, we only have an out in the past, but I'm thinking you know. Where could.

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We bring things together that uh we'll both do greenhouse gas reduction and resilience.

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And co-benefits, and it's like the restaurant- that they can reduce the plastic, save money.

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And get more customers, so that's anyway! I just, I would almost say that's if there's any of those.

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Topics that it comes into it'd probably be more green buildings. I was thinking exactly the same.

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Yeah, exactly because indoor air quality and is very much a part of that conversation, the only.

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Thing I worn in that is that that will pull the conversation towards green buildings and away.

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From green buildings and infrastructure as a whole, which can be a direction we go, but it's you know.

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That's bigger conversation is infrastructure and construction and just the whole pie.

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Ce breakout groups, people could go to their own interests and then come back. So that's.

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What we'll learn how to structure it, so those are two great most of us haven't even thought on been.

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You say: okay: where do you want to go and then so that that's terrific yeah? So I think, as things.

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Develop, if you want to connect me with yeah the nurse, I think we could definitely figure.

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Out how to make that work because they are very they're, not related resiliency or green buildings,.

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And kind of more specifically indoor air quality and health, but I mean they're very and what about.

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Energy, it kind of ties into the resiliency side of it too. Yeah yeah, I mean they're all.

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Yeah, that's the problem and the solution- maybe maybe that's something we need is just everybody.

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Put their ideas about conversations about somewhere in an email, and then we can all.

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Sort of shake it through and see what makes sense to do collectively or needs to stand on their own.

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Or that kind of thing yeah, I almost feel like health- could be like one of those breakout rooms.

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Like health, in relation to whatever the topic is right, it's healthy transportation is going to be.

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A thing health and buildings, health and resiliency like these are all going to be, and when I think of.

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Cold benefits, which kind of goes across the board. I always go to the health ones. First,.

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Because that's my background too so yeah, I agree with you. I think a lot of them just naturally we.

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Even overlap, but I think, as bert said, we only have an hour and a half so to address these things. Well,.

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We want to make sure that each one sort of has a focus and an intention and we're all clear about.

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What we hope to accomplish so that yeah, I don't know how would we go about doing that? Just on the.

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Email chain, every anybody who has ideas about what topic should be for these conversations can throw.

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Them out and then yeah I can put the original list of five out to the group. Yeah yeah. I think staying.

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Health and we talked about uh resilience in terms of preparedness, so it included some health issues.

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Like planning for extreme heat, asthma, higher rates of insect-borne illnesses and all the things that.

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The other just listed recently, I really like the idea of tying health into all of the topics.

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um If nothing else, because that's something that everybody cares about and it's kind of.

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Like a little gateway drug, you know like oh, how is this going to affect my health and then they.

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Kind of see all the other associated things around it, you can almost be in that template.

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Like these presentations are always going to have some components, yeah, and I think my understanding.

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From bill is that they, you know, saber is going to participate in the transportation one. So I.

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Think that'll probably be one of the things that they talk about is the health benefits.

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Of walking and riding your bike versus you know one of those pieces, so I would definitely put a.

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Plug for trying to keep in those five categories of the caps, I think that that's really important.

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To always be tying back to this cap and like we're having these conversations they're going to relate.

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To this, we're going to get more guidance on these things so that people just over time really build.

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A recognition with the initiatives, I'm so bad that you might add to context of that triad.

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People plan a profit, because it's really very much fits exactly what you're thinking about.

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That's the idea I just wanted to check if you send that out, are you okay? If people respond.

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Back to you, so you could collect them for sure and then we can use it at the portsmouth station.

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So anybody who has ideas when you get it from effie is uh respond back and she'll break it.

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Bring it to reports and climate actions wednesday and we'll integrate what we can.

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And before we leave community engagement, it's not to do with community conversations right action.

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Yes, so your ad for bright action of the month um we're up to 50 households, which is really.

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Great and uh today I got a preview of the app being adapted for cell phones and it would be.

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Familiar to you, if you're on bright action, but it looks great and I just think for a lot more users.

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It'll be appealing to have the app on a cell phone. If you haven't signed up yet- and I know who you.

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Are please feel free to email me to ask or if you go on or know someone else who's on and ask that's.

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Fine too, but um it's really a great tool for all of us, so I hope you'll give it a try. Do you know.

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When the phone app might be yeah, they say within a couple of weeks, so I say within a month: okay.

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Software yeah, but it looked great awesome, yeah a theater special for you is somebody who's really.

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Engaged in that do um is there the opportunity for us to give them feedback on how they.

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um Calculate the stuff or do the stuff. Yes, though, um we are a, I don't know what to call it, but a.

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Budget customer we're not like a deluxe rate customer sure and they have a lot of customers.

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So they would take it, as you know, input for their program and their future ideas. For example, I don't.

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Think yet they have an action about divestiture, which is something bill. Mckibben has been pushing.

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A lot of us have heard about third act and moving our money out of certain banks, and um that's not.

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Listed as an action- and I think it should be and they were responsive, but it's not there yet. Okay.

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So yeah I was thinking, I went and did it and um one of my big personal hits was that I have to.

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Travel a fair amount you're, not in trouble. So I'm like all right. I'm going to make that commitment.

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And buy offsets every time, so I've been doing that yeah there's like there's, not a means of like oh. I.

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Just took a trip and here's an offset and that so I feel like I'm, making progress right still.

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This like thing for the year, that's just like you know black cloud over me right yeah, so you don't.

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Get that feedback that you're doing something yeah, that's in the right direction, yeah and if.

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You wanted to give it to me or fred calcinari. We talk with them a lot, so we could forward it.

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Or if you want to forward it to them directly, there's a little question mark in the lower.

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Left corner where you could communicate with them directly great thanks and just to add to that even.

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Though we have the silver level or whatever they have said, my understanding is if they get enough.

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Feedback from things globally, then then they will add them to the platform regardless yeah. Your.

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Subscription level so yeah, I don't start saying: hey, can you put in something about offsets here.

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Because we're trying right, then it might motivate them too. That's a great point because they really.

F

Are responsive it's just they can't like have us call one day and expect to see it next sure yeah.

H

So, especially from a relatively small customer yeah, is there a community of communities? Are we.

L

In touch with other communities that are using bright action, because that's the way to get the.

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Attention of a software developers have multiple customers yeah, don't I know of a few of them just.

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From our work on the cap earlier right, but I'm not in touch really not at this point.

F

Thanks anybody have anything else about community engagement, questions or friends to share otherwise.

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Hi, I don't know if this is the time to bring it up, but um my name is melissa. Ragazzio, I've.

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Done a sea coast for about 14 years I mean portsmouth, now production and a half and I'm.

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A designer and I'm a lighting designer and I wanted to bring up um and I apologize. I wasn't.

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Able to make the other meetings, I don't know if anyone's discussed uh the issue of life mission.

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um And I wondered if we could talk a little bit about that. I can consider it.

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um uh Maybe add it to one of our goals for the committee: it's it has devastating uh effects.

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On our ecosystem and a lot of the awareness is just starting to come out now and so do you have.

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um Just in general, broadly yeah, it's five minutes. So here's some facts about large.

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Pollution sure I'm sorry yeah yeah, would you mind just come up to phones because you won't.

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Get recorded very well if you're over there, because I have to go to a meeting [laughter].

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um I just kind of wanted to introduce this subject today um and I do I have been talking to people.

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At the um international dark sky association, about possibly coming up and presenting, could.

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You say your name again, I'm sorry. My name is melissa, regazio and I live in fort smith and.

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um Just briefly light pollution is inappropriate or excessive use of artificial light.

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And according to johann beckloff light pollution is the easiest of all environmental problems to.

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Solve we, as private individuals can, with little cost, reduce the amount of our light pollution.

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um So just a few facts: um light at night is pollution. The the moon itself is 12 to 13.

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Reflective so no lights on, you know reasonable sky. We still get some light. So it's a question.

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Of how much more are we putting into the atmosphere? um Sadly, we've lost 10 percent.

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Of our visibility of the stars in the last 10 years- and this is a problem- that's really rising-.

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um Unfortunately, leds have leds, have not made it better. uh There's a green washing of leds.

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um What we have to do is just be much more mindful of how we use light and where we use.

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Light and there's so much building going on here in portsmouth, um very adverse effects on people.

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Plants, our pollinators, our wildlife, our birds uh for people, it's obvious, it's melatonin suppression,.

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It's messing with our circadian rhythm, all the things, bad things that you hear about: blue lights,.

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Exposure in plants I and I was just at several lectures in new york on this and one given by the.

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National park service and I had been looking into it because I'm working on a building that is going.

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To be dark sky compliant, but I was floored by some of the information I I heard um growing seasons.

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Have changed spring is nine days earlier and fall is five days later because of light pollution.

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Trees under lights, plants under lights hold their leaves longer um in pollinators, uh we're dependent.

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On pollinators for 30 percent of our food source- and I think we've all noticed that our insects.

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Are disappearing, 70 percent of our insect population decline is due to light pollution.

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um What happens often is like the moss they get trapped in the light they go to the light they.

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Get confused, they don't pollinate, they don't procreate, they're, easy targets and uh we're.

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Losing them uh birds rely on natural light cycles, cycles accumulating and reproduction many species.

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Threatened species do not 25 of birth threatened species. Do not experience natural light cycles.

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um Similar stats for amphibians are mammals, marine life in particular in particular, and there's a lot.

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Of light on the water here that, I really think we can try to mitigate at least some of it.

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um So the solutions are easy and I I printed some extra ones of these. It's.

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Just five things that need to be done and it's low hanging fruit honestly.

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um All light should have a clear purpose, and if you walk around town at night in portsmouth.

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um Particularly the banks which I understand need to be lit, but they're so bright.

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um They're, not lighting, what really needs to be lit. um Light needs to be targeted. We don't.

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Need any lights that shine upward, there's no reason to light the sky. That's a huge waste.

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um Light should be no brighter than necessary, which I think is kind of a.

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Big point: the parking lots I mean the glare is just outrageous. I understand.

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Safety concerns, but the reality is, there are no um there's. No data that says brighter is safer.

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um So it's a matter of controlling uh turning down lights, turning off lights,.

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Turning lights on sensors many communities where they've done case studies, they have.

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um After midnight, until dawn whenever the street lights are on, they've turned them down. 60 percent.

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And the result is energy savings, cost savings and everyone says no one's even noticed and.

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um They're in color also is important um using the warm, not the blue light. The warmer lights.

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um So there's some simple solutions. um I do think portsmouth. um Ultimately, I think.

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It would be wonderful to have some city ordinances regarding existing and new.

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um I know it's not easy to get those through, but I also think this was emphasized at the conferences.

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As well once people understand light pollution and the dev, it has really devastating effects.

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On our ecosystem, I thought it was more about like aesthetics and it's it's really very, very damaging.

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um And there was actually I think I left my things over there I mean.

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There's information coming out all the time on how detrimental this is.

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um And I would like to I have some friends that are interested. As I said, I'm a designer I'm not.

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Affiliated with a group at the moment, I am working with the dark sky alliance people, um but I would.

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Really like to see you know some effort, maybe you know the ordinances are tricky. I realize, but just.

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Approaching maybe some of the local businesses a lot of the storefronts are so bright at night.

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They just don't have to be, and again we can use sensors. We can dim um uh there's a building on.

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Pleasant street and the new food court building they're lit up all night long. The building on.

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Pleasant street the four-story one, every interior light is on in that building all night long.

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um And there's no reason in a lot of buildings, there are exterior lights on and step or sorry.

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Interior lights, on step lights on during the day, even the library which I absolutely love.

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Like you know, and that's a little thing but but just going around and noticing.

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um How improvements could be made um is something that I personally would really like to work on and.

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um I don't want to take up any more of your time, I'm so appreciative that we have this committee.

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um And I'm you know open to any um suggestions for how to move forward.

M

With this and then I also have a lot of information that I'd be happy to pass along.

B

I'm gonna say one thing um in in terms of the an ordinance the city does have a requirement that.

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All new commercial lighting anyway for our site review regulations, be dark sky friendly, awesome.

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So we already incorporated that in commercial, it's not a residential or smaller project, but.

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um And the conservation commission jess is a member of the conservation is very sensitive.

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To light in terms of wetland protection, so when someone has a project wetlands, so they're wetlers.

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Oh yeah they're responsible for wetlands and wetland permitting um and they often like you.

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Can speak to it too just, but they often ask the applicant to make sure no lights is direct.

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Light is directed toward the wetland and it's all directed to the parking lot. So it kind of focusing.

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More than just dark sky friendly, but even away from any kind of wetlands or sensitive, highlights.

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So there's a couple little things happening at least so it's not yeah completely ignored, but it's.

C

I think it's a sort of thing. You know, like the um plastic utensils, where, if you just bring it up to.

M

People and you know, let them know, people don't realize, and you know their lights on all night.

M

Long when they don't have to be and so forth, so um I think there's a lot of room for improvement.

M

Here so also, that's actually something I was going to ask a lot of what we found in the topics. We've.

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Taken up in this commission is about education and awareness, and a lot of us we included, didn't.

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Know how damaging one of these things are until they get brought up, maybe come across any good.

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um Educational material for both businesses yeah- actually, the um dark sky alliance- has a.

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Whole like kit, um and they have postcards that you can print out with the you know, five most.

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Important things that you can do and really kind of step by step, I realized after I looked at it. I.

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Was like, oh, I saw all that in my lectures. It's you know it's fascinating to see and I I would.

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At some point, love to bring down to the right audience, um someone who could speak on it and.

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Show you know just the graphs and and talk about how you know a lot of european cities. They you.

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Know turn prague turns their lights off at 10. You know they're fine, you know you can you can really.

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um You know do a lot of this very easily, so I was going to suggest uh portsmouth smart growth.

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um One of their missions is to bring speakers into portsmouth. You know national or even international.

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Experts on topics to do with urban planning and design and public spaces fantastic, they might be.

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Really interested in this topic yeah, and they have a website. You can find them awesome great.

F

Okay, yeah great thanks for bringing definitely sure yeah, I mean it definitely ties into you.

M

Know all of the eco you know: smart building, yeah um and again people go a little crazy on leds.

M

Because they're inexpensive and um but in some circumstances they're making things worse. So you.

M

Know we just have to know what we're working with tori yeah. I have a couple comments and hopefully.

G

Most of them will instill happiness, and not I do uh the first one less so, which is, I think, a lot.

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Of people like lightest safety related there's, a security related thing and though, luckily in this.

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City, that's not the most pivotal concern generally. I think that that is the connotation in a lot of.

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People's minds, so I think, on the educational front, resources along that line of, is it actually safe.

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Like is leaving your front, you know I'm it's a habitual thing right, like my parents, always left.

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The front door lights on because somebody would come rob the house, then they would know your.

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Home because the front lights on, even though it's on every day, and that's not actually how.

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It works right, and but those are the types of I think connotations that a lot of people have and.

G

Yes, they have done studies, particularly in like lower income communities, urban communities, where.

M

You know they just glass light to these poor people all night long and it has been proven.

M

It hasn't been proven that it that it helps or it stops crime, and I I know I have quite a bit.

M

Of that, in the literature that I have and again we're not saying no lights right, but you know if.

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You really look around there's a lot of room for improvement. You know just maybe it could just be.

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um You know just a quick fix to some of the street lights. You know no light going up and.

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Just just you know, lower turn them down a little bit and you know sensors, work and there's that.

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You know that kind of thing, but yeah that that's the tough one yeah and people will hold on to that.

M

um You know it's fine, it's one of those yeah! um That's it's great to hear that that.

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Is an angle because I think that's a hard one for a lot of people um yeah and then my on a nicer.

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Note than crime and light um I think, we'd love to have you engage with some of the stuff we're doing.

G

On the green building infrastructure side, um I you know, and your opinions on specifically how.

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Other kind of non-dark sky, but related like lead, has lighting requirements and downloading and is.

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That you know is that the realm we're going in is that a good way to approach that or the greenhouse.

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Gas inventory I mean we know how much the street lights you know and like is that an angle for it.

G

I think this is one of the things that really just touches on yeah. So many there's one more rich area.

L

To dig into yes, your placement did switch, I think in 2016 to led, but there's still a lot of room for.

M

Improvement, I think, on our street lights and even if it's as simple as when they get switched out.

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Right and maybe this yeah I'm not saying we need to go around and do it all but yeah like, um but.

M

It's you know, overall, it is, it does save energy and it saves costs. um If you do something upfront.

M

I don't think you were here when the new bridge came up. Oh yeah, I was did you know, then do you.

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Know peter samsich, I know of him he he was the one who actually the bridge had to redo and I think.

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Was a 80 or 90 000 refill or a dark sky? So if you want to have somebody who's been through it, do you.

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Mean awesome and he's a laser. His professional job he's a um laser light specialist and works.

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For him, so as an ally and somebody who's been yeah, that'd be fantastic. Thank you. Yeah.

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Spell your last name: it's r, I g a z-I-o and are you comfortable giving out some form of contact.

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Information absolutely so that either people here can get in touch with you or if josh puts it.

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Reflected in the notes, if there are other people who are interested in this, do you want my email.

M

Or my email is just my whole name, melissa, regazio gmail.com, and I can send it around two tomorrow.

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Because I need sweet content and I will attach um a lot of infer. There was one piece that just.

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Came out today, there's a lot. There's a lot more coming out about this now um and it is really.

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Devastating to the ego to the stone, thank you for coming yeah. It's definitely an important thing.

M

I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to miss the next one I'll be able to be here in july. It's the summer.

M

Shuffle but yeah anybody else that, too, want to say anything to melissa before we continue on. Thank.

A

You um all right if we are good with community engagement, we can continue on to the cap update.

A

Which I'm guessing is from that side of the room. I didn't prepare anything but okay, I'm just gonna.

J

Okay, so um cap update so end of june, has been sort of our goal to get as much feedback from people.

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Around the community as possible in terms of the questions we asked in the surveys like what are.

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Your kind of impacts that you feel personally, what do you want portsmouth to be doing things.

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Like that and so end of june, is our goal to get all that data into the consultants, so they can.

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Start working on their big priority list of what the citizens really want to see happen.

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um And so they're going to bring that to workshop number two be on july. 31St.

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um No completely set on the time yet it's either 6 to 8 pm or 6 30 to 8 pm in the levinson room.

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At the library- and so that's going to be a bit similar to workshop number one except a little.

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Less presentation, and actually maybe a little more presentation um talking about the priority.

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Strategies they came up with they're, going to come out with a business as usual projection for.

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um Greenhouse gas emissions sort of like what what we look like in 2030 2050 things like that.

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um And those will be based off of the 2018 greenhouse gas inventory and by the end of.

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June or july they should also have a pretty basic um presentation and report for us on the 2021.

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Inventory that john and I gave them our data for um and that will, I think, will still provide some.

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Time for uh back and forth and like interaction because it will be a workshop type deal. But.

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um A lot of it will just be sort of giving out those strategies and asking people to.

N

Sort of point out, what's really important and sort of ranking them and really refining those.

D

Yeah, the one thing that we talked about um just to add to that is trying to reach we've.

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Had conversations about the community that we're reaching community that we're reaching with the.

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Climate action plan, and it seems like we um we're trying any way we can think of to reach.

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Further into the community- and um I think one of the things we've talked about with the consultant.

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Was is they're volunteers who would be willing to go sort of knock on doors in different parts?.

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Of the community, the neighborhoods, where people might not come to regular meetings or might not.

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Come out as much um and we haven't formulated that into a past yet, but that's one of the.

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Things we're working on, and so we probably won't have time to bring it back to this committing.

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um Maybe not at a meeting, but maybe through our network. You know emailing.

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And the volunt that we have are robust core uh climate ambassadors that we can.

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um Tap into too, but that's one of the things that we're trying to do and working with the.

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Consultant on and and just like, the first round of work, we're doing with the first workshop. This.

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Second, workshop will have climate ambassador and other people that are interested sort of.

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Outreach going on beyond just the workshop, so if you can't make it to the workshop or you know, if.

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There's people that have groups they want to take things to we'll have opportunities for that too. So.

D

That's my addition to that um so, but july 31st is the date for the next big community meeting.

A

Questions comments, anybody anything to say.

A

Thanks guys, that was my question when's the next one, because I keep getting asked so now. I have an answer.

A

um Yeah, did you mention more about community engagement.

E

um And I will go into all the details. Long chat with kate about it.

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um Last week about the student um involvement in the uh in in portsmouth, the report of high.

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School, does anybody know exactly what's going on in terms of the schools engaging the high school.

E

Students or the community engaging high school students because you talked about education. This.

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Gentleman here right, education and awareness, and all of that starts with kids. um I had the.

E

I went to the ports of high school because it's my alma mater, I mean I'm from portsmouth foreign.

E

E

Who is no longer married lion, so I thought I'd wear alliance, but I ran into one of the teachers.

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Doing it just really haphazard, but really cool doing this amazing, like stewardship.

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Work on the school grounds with a bunch of students, and so I said, oh my gosh. I.

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Came here to talk to you know principal who I knew I used to coach. I went with.

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um Mary lyons- and here you guys- are doing this stuff that I was going to.

E

Talk to her about which is a student conservation association- and I was actually here for my 25th.

E

um Reunion with my old crew from 1998 actually so um I just like- I don't know um a lot about. What's.

E

Going on now in the schools- and I just thought I I'm trying to figure out if sca is still involved,.

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In portsmouth, and if anybody's heard of it it's doing stuff that you know the organization is.

E

Actually doing work enforcement, they think that's a wonderful portal. Our new teachers.

O

Wonderful, so we do we have um our student reps from the high school also happen to be on the.

O

Seacoast students for sustainability, so we are partnered with all of our neighboring towns on.

O

That and they've been very successful, but jess and I are working on putting a proposal together.

O

For the superintendent to to talk easy to address exactly what you're talking about, and I know it's.

O

Been a hot topic with christina: it's like healthy habits, start early and education starts early and.

O

It's definitely something that's on the mind, but it always gets pushed to the back burner.

O

And I think the interest from all is how do we get it front and center, but how do we also give.

O

The teachers in the schools the tools to build out, as you probably remember you know, environmental.

O

Sustainability is like the big culminating project of fifth grade here across the district, so they.

O

All do their environmental school, but it wasn't. When I was. Oh, it wasn't. Okay, it is, we've got a.

O

Couple of linchpins that we're holding on to, but but to be perfectly honest, it's there is.

O

No curriculum for it. There is no bill diet and there's a lot of partnerships that we're talking.

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About like, for example, the high school students have written some lovely lesson plans. We now have.

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Gardens at all of our schools there, the ability to partner is there. We just need to push it over.

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The hill, so we're there's a lot in the works, but so it's really funny is like the gardens.

E

Are the schools right, but this teacher was just pulling her hair out, while she's pulling weeds.

E

Because she's just like no one's no one's wrong, no there's no one's volunteering. To do it, and I said.

E

Oh man, there is this great organization, student conservation, association, yeah. They send crews out.

E

Locally to throughout the state of new hampshire and then throughout the country to remote regions,.

E

To these great projects- and it you know, students have to get like passion excited about it right.

E

They're not going if there's not something there for them to grab onto right, so I I just would.

E

Love to make that connection, because we just had a whole big, you know they did this reunion.

E

And we gave it to the students, it's a national organization, so we gave them our social media.

E

Stuff and they're, you know amping it up and it's like we just had this enforcement, so they're gonna.

E

You know, and I thought well maybe there's a way to take that good energy and just get it to the.

E

School, I love the contact for you know and we can talk. I don't I don't. I can't speak for the.

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Administrative team: it's not surprising that I'm the school board rep here, because it's something.

O

That I care a lot about and have really pushed for years to get us to be more front and center.

O

And we're we're making small steps, I mean we had a would. We have 40 volunteers from our schools for.

O

Earth day, that's huge for you know for the for for day of climate action, so the the seed is there and.

O

Now we finally have the interest and now covet's behind us, so there is some thoughtfulness around.

O

How do we seamlessly educate, but I love the conservation [music] that'd be great and just.

A

Build off what margot said, there is an outdoor educator for all three portsmouth elementary.

A

Schools um and she has done outdoor ambassadors with a lot of the from my understanding, a lot of.

A

The teachers at all the elementary schools, with a focus on getting kids out and making that part of.

A

The curriculum at least once a week, we have a really wonderful middle school teacher science.

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Teacher who does a lot of great projects with kids who have presented here and typically, we have.

A

um High school eco student, kids, as part of our committee they're, actually going to be written.

A

In as within the rhythwood yeah a long time, yeah we're just in summertime yeah this summer.

E

Yeah so they've been here for years right, so the members are graduating and so in the fall we'll.

A

Be getting new eco club members here who will participate? They are typically are very involved.

A

And very active, so we do have those pieces and I actually just met a new english teacher who.

A

Talked about wanting to do stewardship and be involved in the sustainability, fair and.

A

All kinds of things, so there are definitely like margot, said: there's lots of seeds out there yeah.

E

Anyway, one of the teachers, if you talk to an english teacher, she's brand new, she hasn't even.

A

Started she'll start in the fall yep, so yeah yeah. So as margo said it, it feels like there are lots.

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Of pieces out there, it's just figuring out a way to put them together, better and and personally.

A

Having two kids about to start the schools, I am very motivated to make sure that it's.

E

This is the most time I've spent in at one time, I'm here, for other reasons, family and otherwise.

E

um In this city, since I had to leave for my you know, school on the west coast and uh 25 years.

E

Ago- and I I will say, though, that the I think for kids, you know I, as I was a student in the.

E

Public school system here right and so, and I even taught in the public schools when I was at unh.

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um As a substitute teacher, and I think that students going around this city today.

E

I have to see that there, the the city has got that kind of presence. If you know what I mean.

E

And this that that's what this group is about right, that's what is happening, but what we see.

E

Is this constant battle of massive development and all of the you know commercial stuff going.

E

On and trees, I mean I'll bring it up again, trees getting chopped down, and that kind.

E

Of stuff- and so I think, for kids students, if I were a student in the city today, then you know.

E

Versus whatever was this, I would look around and see if what's really going on around me and is.

E

There going to be: is there going to be enough energy behind me getting involved? What what is.

E

This you know what example are we setting in as a city for the students to give give them a pack.

E

So that's just my job. We planted 400 trees this year. I hope so. I heard that they're at the dpw.

E

In a warehouse and they're not totally doing did they get them out. Yeah they're alive dozens yeah.

A

Anybody else have anything to say about: okay, um so moving on to the greenhouse gas inventory, update.

A

But you john or kate, or sure, um help out along the way. I just need to be admitted to the zoom session.

N

That's what it says: uh it usually pops up, yeah city of fort smith,.

L

Zoom rating one welcome, that's what I have 68.. This is the right one.

J

Doesn't want you in there very strange.

N

Maybe it timed out, I didn't I've been looking, I didn't see anybody come up.

D

If you click the little arrow and decide participants doesn't change or anything.

D

um Can you send me an invitation that might be it says, invite about at the bottom? It.

N

Might be yeah, I don't know we logged into someone's email on here. Oh no, probably not.

D

And the link on the city website didn't work. Can you just say it verbally sure I'll yeah.

L

I'll do it. I was going to show everybody what we've got, but we can. We can do it.

L

um Check me if I get anything wrong so um yeah we actually walked the um cap. Consultants.

L

Garrison and don through the current state of greenhouse gas. So just quick recap.

L

um We settled on a platform from unh uh sustainability institute called cymap.

L

um Office almost two years ago now and uh kate, and I primarily kate, the new yeoman's job of.

L

Collecting data from around the city- that's job one, getting the data converted into a format that.

L

The system can consume that's job through and then actually getting it into the platform. So.

L

Outstanding work: okay, if anyone in the room or data walks- and you like working with data.

L

We could definitely use some volunteers, it's an explicit ask it's, uh but where we are right now is.

L

um So what simap does in any good ghc platform is it takes all the the um calculations from.

L

Kyoto and from paris and in the ghg accords itself, and it gives you an ability to take.

L

What you're consuming for energy of various types and convert it into greenhouse gas equivalents.

L

So um things are measured in scopes and basically what we've got now for calendar year 21, so we're.

L

Sort of doing this crawl walk run style. We have all of the scope one data for the city, so that.

L

Means stationary fuel propane oil stuff that's stored in a tank to generally eat buildings.

L

We've got transportation fuel and we have them all tagged by city department, so we can actually break.

L

Down who's using what types of fuel? um That's uh that's all scope, one um and sorry scope. One is the.

L

Stationary fuel scope, 2 is purchased electricity. We have all of that. I believe for all of the city.

L

Organizations so net net. We have, I think, a pretty good snapshot of what calendar 21 looked like for.

L

The organizations that make up the city portsmouth and then once the data is in, and this is what I.

L

Was I'd be happy to show anyone wants to see it afterwards or it's a term of the screen mode.

L

um There's all kinds of graphing and charting unit, but the gist of it is cymap, takes the.

L

Transactional data, how many gallons of gas was it? How many gallons of diesel was it? How many therms.

L

Of natural gas did you buy in such and such a month? It takes all that stuff and it converts.

L

It into co2 equivalents, so it tracks what the carbon dioxide is, what the methane is, which.

L

Is 34 times as impactful as the same amount of carbon dioxide and the uh the nitrous dioxide.

L

Which is 300 times as impactful is the same amount of carbon dioxide. We have that data.

L

Now for the energy purchases that are being made by the city, so that's done for 21 the consultants.

L

Have it okay if they had a chance to get in yet? I know they only just saw it last week for the.

L

First time I knew they have access to it and I think that's their point is to really get into.

N

It before the workshop number two and go get like a presentation, a mini presentation together to.

N

Give us the basics yeah. We gave them kind of a 10, 000 foot 900 mile an hour flyby last week. So with.

L

Any luck at all, hopefully, they'll, come back to us and we'll give them some stick time and actually.

L

Get amusing the data in the meantime, we plan to replicate what we did for 21 in 22.. Now we know.

L

What data we need? We know where the rocks are under the water, uh it's where we could use that.

L

um But once we get that and we get that going forward, we'll be able to do quarter over quarter.

L

And year over year, comparisons for the city. So that, in a nutshell, is what I was going to show and.

L

um The other thing katie and I talked about this a little bit so that's city data. We can impact.

L

That I mean we can impact how many gallons of gas, or how many kilowatt hours of power being.

L

Purchased by dpw or police or school, um there are also other data that are sort of we've talked.

L

About the ring of the the ring of here's, the city here are the businesses in the city, and here are.

L

The citizens that residents that reside in the city, obviously we don't directly impact those.

L

Ladder too, but it's good to at least know what's going on, so we did get some data like estimated.

L

Data from rocking rockingham county on vehicle miles traveled and that gets extrapolated into.

L

You know into carbon dioxide that kind of data is a lot less useful. In my opinion, for our purposes.

L

Because we don't impact it, we can know about it and be aware of it, but it's not like we can you.

L

Know reduce the number of cars that fly by 95 john by fiat. What about with community power.

F

And people switching to clean our energy, which is that still a big impact in the community well.

L

We haven't seen the impact yet, but we have the ability to track it. So what some apple? Let us.

F

Do that's why I thought having a baseline yeah, exactly yeah and and as we get more of the data.

L

um So I mentioned that scope: 2 is primarily consumed electricity. It's not burn fuel. It's.

L

It's electricity, electricity, that's purchased from a traditional utility, is looked at in.

L

One way, due to a power, that's actually purchased from a green source, is looked.

L

At a different way, so we will actually get credit as a municipality for buying more.

L

For buying greener electricity as we track it, we just need the data so for the cap, I understand.

F

We have the city piece from the city departments that you've put together, which is great, and I love.

F

That you'll have it set to go next year because that's that's the whole as long as we get those.

L

Volunteers I asked for yeah: did I mention we're looking for volunteers, but the community pieces.

F

The bulk of our greenhouse gases in the city, so what is the cap going to do for that? Well,.

D

That's that's what the cap is all about. It's about sort of raising awareness about these numbers. No, I.

F

Mean how are they gonna they're gonna get the numbers to report every number of submissions.

D

The municipality and the community, so they're, okay, they're, both part of the inventory, the 2018.

D

Inventory has them both the 2012 2006. They all do they break out the community yeah. The most recent.

F

One was 2018 came out in 2019, but we'll have another one. 2021 is the one they're working on.

D

Right now great, and so that's the one that the cap consultant will use in looking at what the.

D

Community impact is, and I think, they're going to have the data they need. I don't know where they're.

N

Going to be with 21. same community data that the 2018 one had so, it should should show similar.

N

So is there a data, visualization visualization aspect to to this part of it and I'm asking.

L

Because I wish I could get into the zoom meeting right now, yeah, yes, there is well. I worked for the.

C

Sustainability institute, I worked with jen andrews and you know cymap to um was. I was planning out a.

C

Dashboard that would be used to show all this information. So I'm just wondering if that's.

C

Kind of how it will be shown, I will I'll leave it running on my screen. I'm sorry. I can't actually.

L

Put it up on the uh put it up on the board, where everyone can see it, but uh yeah it's simap has.

L

A nice set of visualization, yeah and reporting stuff built into it so you're going to use the.

L

Yes, so for those of you who can see the little screen, this is what 2021 looks like it's very.

L

Impressive from a distance, you can see a pie chart with colors yeah. Sorry, uh as a fellow data nerd, I.

G

Feel like did you see a little bit of background on uh data clarity and validity, so when you're.

G

Looking at the municipality, we have very direct data sources, transactional transactional data.

G

Sources, we know how much diesel came out of tanks. We know exact electricity bills when you go to the.

G

Community one of the problems- and I think one of the things that john was trying to get at is.

G

When we say we can't impact those numbers, it's it. We know that we're making impacts, but you.

G

Can't measure them, because the type of data that we're using is not specific to portsmouth.

G

um You know rockingham transportation data, so some of it is some of it is some of it is yeah.

D

You know that is a the thing to understand when we're looking at. If the cap comes out and says.

G

This action is going to have this impact necessarily going to reflect.

G

In the greenhouse gas inventory, because our uncertainties are so large in the type of data.

G

um There's a lot that can be done on that uh community powers naturally going to have a.

G

Lot on that, because it's going to give us more information about things like.

G

Utilities are notoriously bad at sharing this information and they don't have.

G

Any requirement to so we can ask them all day and that doesn't that's one of the things community.

D

Power has done right and so that ability yeah so. But I guess my point is that we're gonna as.

G

The data gets better, the numbers don't always go down warning because the original numbers weren't.

G

Necessarily accurate, so when we're talking about like setting a benchmark, I think distribution to.

G

Be careful about the language um because setting a benchmark today on the data that we have today.

G

Some of which is, we have to understand, like there's, there's no other way to know.

G

um And comparing the three years when we have information from community power- and we have these.

G

Specific data sources. I just think that, however, whether it's a dashboard or whatever we're doing.

G

We just need to be careful about being clear about how we can measure these things so that we don't.

G

Fall into a situation where people are like well, the cap said: if we did all these things, it should.

G

Go down right right, yeah! The challenge requires completely agree with tori yeah. um I know um it's.

F

Been a while, since I looked at the portsmouth 2018 greenhouse chaos inventory, but I did recently look.

F

At the one for the city of concord, new hampshire, and if it's a year later, I believe yeah 2019,.

F

But it's just the quality of the concord one if we could aim to do more than what we have in the.

F

2018, I understand it was done with help from unh and I don't know the arrangements, but I'm.

F

Hoping in the cath, our baseline uh new baseline numbers could be better than what we had in 2018.

F

And it's no criticism of anyone here or anyone involved in this. What do you mean by better.

D

More specific, more detailed, the the community section and the 2018 report is pretty vague.

F

And even hard to follow the writing yeah, that's kind of what I was I'm sorry. I really want to see.

F

A better product: that's why I'm disclosing this yeah so having it agree with you both wildly and.

L

Exactly yeah, nothing has changed except now, kate, and I have spent a lot of time with horrible's in.

L

The data and everything else, so my recommendation, when I'm feeling more comfortable with is we can.

L

Tell a very definitive transactional narrative about an entity called the city of portsmouth.

L

Now it is true that portsmouth's ghg footprint is a relatively small percentage in the total.

L

Area, that's true. I personally have decided that's not role, because that's a story that we can tell.

L

Because we have that transactional data, as we said, we know exactly how much, how many gallons.

L

Or kilowatt hours, our tax money is spending, we know what that is, we will know it year over year,.

L

And people in this room have the ability to influence how that gets done. So we can tell.

L

That very detailed transactional, defensible year-over-year story about the city and I.

L

Think we should in part because well in part, because we need to start somewhere, but also.

L

I think it enables us to tell the larger storage so as the the businesses of the communities when.

L

They hear okay, this is what the city had in 2021 we're talking about the data we have now.

L

And then we see what we have in 2022 and they know what we're measuring. Oh wow, look at the.

L

Impact such and such a change made now will that translate into the same percentage of impact in.

L

The community or in the business community we don't, we can't know it's not that we don't know.

L

We can't know, but what we can do is we can tell that story, including influencing the the changes.

L

The decreases in the co2e and what we did to make it happen and frankly, hopefully not because.

L

um We can get some ownership because again we all own the entity that we're talking about. We, we are.

L

All shareholders in this I think aubry's been waiting and I do want to say something else to.

F

Reply: okay! Well, I'm I'm just wondering because I love this conversation about the the nuances.

H

Of the data and, like you said, the utilities would be a great place to start, at least for electric.

H

And natural gas and all that, but I wonder I mean this seems like a conversation- needs to happen.

H

With the state and maybe state legislation, but you know when I think of transportation.

H

Every single person that has a car in new hampshire has to get it inspected every year.

H

That inspection has the make of the vehicle it has how many miles it is at that point. Presumably they.

H

Have the data of what the miles were the last year and the year before and the year before,.

H

So it seems like that metadata is somewhere. You know if we actually wanted to be like.

H

Okay, you know this is the breakdown of vehicles that are registered in portsmouth new hampshire.

H

This is how many miles they did for each vehicle type and there would be a way to get a lot more.

H

Nuanced data: out of it wouldn't be perfect. You know because it all depends on how fast you're.

H

Driving and what have you but um it'd be a lot better than like this is the rockingham county.

H

Breakdown of what the the fleet of people is things like that, so I wonder if there's some way.

H

At the state level to say, okay, the state needs to start track, and this and giving it to towns.

H

um The state needs to require the utilities to give that information to towns, as well as, if.

H

We're going to take this seriously, it's all about the data and tracking and I've said it before you.

H

Can only change what you can measure and if we don't have your data, then we can't measure it so.

L

Fair enough for me, just a quick touch. Could we get the data? Yes,.

L

um But in particular on the transportation data, I personally wonder about the value in doing that.

L

Because I could register my car in new hampshire, which I do and I can report with the odometer.

L

Biologist from last year, which I, which is easy to get but there's no way to know whether I put that.

L

Co2E into the air in new hampshire or in florida there just literally, is no way to know. So. That's.

H

True- and I guess that's how you're tracking it is like I mean, does it matter where you're putting.

H

It I mean you as a resident here are responsible for that, so it's it's effectively coming out of.

H

You know your households, that's true. What I'm suggesting is. That's not I. I don't think that's.

L

A greenhouse gas inventory. Well, I think it is because if business travel I mean it's the same.

G

For if I mean they don't, but if our city vehicles went down a mass every day and back right, it would.

G

Be it would be the same track? Yeah it's the owned entity is how the scoping is right. It's.

D

It's really defined definition right, yeah, okay, yeah. I know effie wanted to say something and.

A

Then counselor cook yeah, so um I was just going to say. I understand what you're saying about the.

F

City and having it be trackable and traceable. So it's all there and I get that. But what I'm really.

F

Looking at is the climate action plan and what we talked about is having a good baseline to go.

F

Forward so that in future years we could compare back to it, and I understand there are big chunks.

F

We won't be able to get at like peas, like the port authority, with ships coming and going like I-95.

F

Zooming through, but still we could do a better job on businesses and homes within portsmouth and.

F

I don't mean to say that concord new hampshire is the be-all and end-all. I just thought wow, you know.

F

Comparing it to portsmouth's last report, there was a lot more specificity and oh yeah, no sources.

L

Yeah, I understand I'm not I'm not disagreeing, I'm just trying to separate in everyone's mind.

L

Sort of the rings of the onion well, I think it's a very important point and I think everybody here.

F

Is clear that the city was like? Was it three percent to the greenhouse gas emissions in the.

F

Last report compared to the community, meaning businesses and households manufacturing being.

F

97 or whatever percent, so that's why I'm really more interested in the 97. I think it's great to.

F

Have the city piece- and I think that has some other purposes it could be used for as well.

K

Council cook, um I just I just wanted to say I love the idea of getting the state to actually.

K

Give us those numbers and track them somehow, um but it gets us one step closer to a carbon tax.

K

um On individuals and households, but that also means that it's very very unlikely. The state.

K

Will ever do that and track those data unless we put a lot of pressure on elected officials.

K

To do so or we do a lot of work, electing new officials today, yeah, I think, there's.

G

A parallel draw here, our state, does not have things like climate action plan. At the same.

G

Time we have one of the top sustainability institutes that are state-funded university.

G

So that can give you a picture as to how many hurdles there are between our abilities and.

G

What gets done in the state house or what they will even entertain? Unfortunately, right I mean.

G

Because yeah the data like right, the data does exist somewhere, um some some of it. Some of it.

G

Truly isn't disclosed in a manner that makes sense. um I think this, I think community power.

G

And some conversations we're having about energy disclosures are a huge part of this too. um It's a.

G

Many piece puzzle, I'm curious, do you think bright action can have I mean I know we only have 50.

A

Households signed up, but as people sign up and start to take action from where they're starting.

A

And as they make change, can we get data to see reflections of any of that stuff really meant.

F

Or made to do that, you know bill lyons, I think described it as a dotted line connection yeah.

F

So that if we had a great number of households in portsmouth, we might see some decreases but to to.

F

Draw lines and say it's because of this- that this carbon reduction happened, the tool isn't made for.

F

That so, even when the people participating, you wouldn't see, like collectively, these 250 houses.

A

Went from this yeah and you was a household purchase, I know I will you're individual and.

F

For our group, we can see how much we're saving and it's all estimated right and those are also.

H

Not representative households, you know those are all early adopters that are obviously very into.

H

It you know, that's right, I know that's a very select, but if it grows there could be those can.

G

Be helpful to understand trends like that kind of data is helpful even how many ev chargers there.

G

Are in a city and how often they're populated, but you can't extrapolate data from it, so it can help.

G

You look at the data and say we think this is inaccurate, because is essentially, which is a.

G

Helpful thing and in in greenhouse gas inventories, there are narratives, and that is why, because the.

G

Data could not tell the whole story. You have to do a certain amount of understanding of what.

G

You're looking at so those things can be helpful in that, but it's not going to get you the actual.

G

Data- it's just going to give you perspective, okay level, where you have individual people, seeing what.

D

The impact of what they do is just like jordan's saying at the city level the individual impact we.

D

Have the good data for that, but I would argue that we need to keep working on the community.

D

Data because it is so important that people see that if we want to be, I mean mostly, these are.

D

Communication tools, they're really not data tools like a data climate model or something like that.

D

Or communication tools to show people where we are and where we're going and, and I would argue that.

D

Doing a greenhouse gas inventory every year is not going to benefit us in a huge way. It's every.

D

Five years or so that you're going to really see a trend, shift you're not going to see it every year.

D

In this amount of data, especially with the quality data we have now, some communities have taken it.

D

Further and done much more on their greenhouse gas inventories, the one advantage of doing it.

D

Every year is you're. On top of it, you have a staff of several people that work on it and they collect.

D

Data in a better way like like in portland, I think they're using google maps and ways to get people's.

D

Driving trend data and they can somehow input that data. I really like the idea of getting the car.

D

Registration because, even if it's not going to get you the people that are using it here, it's getting.

D

It's getting the same set of quality data, of the same set of people that live in the city, so you're.

D

Comparing at least that trend and is that trend going down, so it's just a conversation about maybe.

M

So you communicate the information right, yeah and and continue to communicate it and, like you said.

D

It's really about the cap and we're doing it. So we can raise awareness about the need to reduce.

D

Our greenhouse gas emissions and what the cap, how can we strengthen the cap to do that? Better.

N

John and I just want to emphasize two things that are disturbing both of you, which is that.

L

It's it's about the narrative right. I think we have to have faith, but if we put together.

L

The right narrative, supported by whatever we can plug in, to support it as individuals who.

L

Either run homes or run businesses as they consume the stuff, assuming that they care.

L

Then they can think about what actions can I take? Will we ever be able to completely.

L

Precisely manage uh and measure and manage and compare no, we won't, but again, I think it's a.

L

Narrative you're right here: it's not it's not a modeling tool and that's that's. Why.

L

As a as a career data person, I'm very averse to showing my charts unless I know exactly.

G

Tell you what was your job real quick, but but if we're telling a story and telling it in such a way.

L

That people say hmm I could do such and such that's progress. You might not always be able.

L

To measure it, but there's a pretty good chance, you're at least going to be helping make it happen.

L

That that I think that I agree with both of you- that's a big part of.

L

What's going to come out of the cap is the cap is a big part of the narrative.

A

um All right, we have one topic unless there's other business, so victoria, oh okay, I have.

A

Something else too, but we can go with green buildings first. Okay, I'm sorry! So just please.

A

Consider that announce their quick once a few minutes. Yes or what time do we end 8 30. this.

G

Whole time I thought we ended at eight and I was like no um green buildings working group green.

G

Buildings and infrastructure uh bigger umbrella, so we've been making some progress on a couple things.

G

um First off is we had drafted a municipal, green building and infrastructure policy.

G

So this would be just for city related projects, essentially things in the cip and city buildings.

G

um And team kind of got a version that we liked. We brought it to dpw because being the people who.

G

Will be implementing most of it that opinion is important, got some comments back actually today.

G

Were able to work through some of those comments um modify the version that we had in a way that.

G

Hopefully is received um more friendly and then peter is going to have an additional conversation.

G

um With them- and our hope is that after that conversation we can have a draft that feels.

G

Near completion to be able to bring to this committee so that everyone can look over it.

G

um Have an understanding of the types of things that we're trying to get in it and.

G

That we would be able to take that uh policy to a vote here to be brought to the city manager.

G

um Right now, our thought process is that this we will try to do this as an internal policy.

G

um In the end that will be up to the city manager, but right now the avenue we're hoping for is that.

G

We would bring the city manager, it would be an internal policy icd manager um that could.

G

Be a little bit more quickly, and I did um there is always the chance that the city manager will.

G

Want it to be a city council policy, in which case we'll go through the kind of avenues of that and.

G

Peter can speak way more to that process than I know, um but yeah. So that's that part and that's.

G

Exciting and kind of as a preview to that one of the you know. Obviously we wanted to do this to.

G

Make sure we have this type of policy, we all know that a lot of the buildings and a lot of things.

G

That person has already been doing falls under a lot of the things that are already in this policy.

G

But this is an actual way written on paper to point us to that as decision cip, things are going.

G

um And also because the city will have this as we move forward and look at things like green.

G

Building codes or energy disclosures or aid programs for energy efficiency for residents.

G

The city can already point to that municipality is doing their part um and hopefully some of.

G

Those lessons too, before it goes kind of more community abroad. um So that's that that's very.

G

Exciting and then on the other side we've got, you know, there's other things as well, so we're looking.

G

um Shanti, the building inspector we've had a couple conversations with him and his interest.

G

On possibilities of um green building codes likely optional to start, but at least getting language.

G

In there there actually is already a section now, at least for green building in the code.

G

um Which he already put in there so helping him in that process of figuring out what types of.

G

Things and what types of code language make sense for our city um and achieve the goals and our.

G

Functional from a inspector's standpoint and what we're capable of doing with city staffing.

G

um So we've got that going on. We've got conversations on that realm kind of energy.

G

Disclosure and energy efficiency in the city. And how do we look at that? To help not just green.

G

Buildings and impact, but things like greenhouse gas inventory and even municipal just a bit more.

G

Understanding of where all these things are coming from and um councilor cook has been.

G

Working a little bit on uh there's a mechanism, a trust. Please correct me if I really messes up and.

G

We're figuring out the legal entity and this trust would act as a way to help with energy efficiency.

G

Projects in for portsmouth homeowners, especially homeowners, who need help with the residents so.

G

um And mechanisms of any funding from this green building work in the future, hopefully.

G

Helping fund that um in some ways so that you know it's not just a draw on the city and it's.

G

Not a constant ask, but it's its own entity, um so yeah lots of things going on [laughter].

G

But next meeting we will go we'll, provide the draft, hopefully not.

G

An early draft- hopefully draft number- I don't even know at this point um it's for everyone to look at.

G

um And be able to take a vote on it to bring it to the city manager.

O

That sounds exciting. All right aubry do you have anything else? I think I already covered it perfect.

A

Anybody else have anything. Thank you both for all your work on this. It's awesome.

K

um Last but not least, um the governance committee discussed the sustainability draft.

K

Sustainability ordinance the councilor denton um presented to council and asked for the room so.

K

um We did have a few questions for the committee.

K

um Most of the questions are around how you want to structure appointments, initial appointments, so.

K

In reappointing, we have to give instructions so for the mayor in making the appointments and you.

K

Can just kind of tack these on at the end, they aren't actually part of the ordinance, but it's.

K

Like special instructions for how you implement the ordinance once you adopt it, and so if we tell.

K

The mayor to reappoint everyone who's sitting, which I think was the goal in the language, the.

K

Question is, then, what terms do you want people appointed for? Because you don't want to appoint.

K

Everyone and say everyone has a three-year term that everyone rotates off at the exact same time,.

K

And then suddenly you're making decisions about who gets reappointed. So how do you want to stagger.

K

The terms and who should be slotted into which terms. And the reason that this is an important.

K

Question is that the mayor won't be appointing new people until you get down to a certain number.

K

So those people that have the shortest terms, the one-year terms will be off the committee.

K

For a while waiting and and so that's that's key to know as a voting member they'll be off the.

K

Committee as a voting member, they can still come. They can right. Anybody can attend from the public.

K

um And the way automatically reappoint somebody, it has to be over a certain time.

K

um You can't the problem is: is right now the committee doesn't really have terms.

K

At all, and so when you go into kind of this ordinance format, people have three-year terms.

K

And then they can get be reappointed, but we're trying to go down. My understanding is reduce the.

K

Number on the committee um to a certain to a much lower number than we have now so once we hit 9 to.

K

11 members, then the mayor will be able to appoint, but until we get to that point uh there are no.

K

Appointments right got it, so that means people who have a one-year term will be waiting for a while.

K

And people have a two-year term will probably be waiting for a little bit or we might actually.

K

Have a few that get appointed at that stage and then the three-year term people will rotate off.

K

And then you know yeah, so you see what I'm saying. This only applies to those seats that are uh not.

G

Designated so we'll always have like the students you'll always have the students. You'll always have.

K

uh A counselor, a school board, your city staff, you just it's, it's the people who are appointed.

K

um In in the standard fashion, for a committee like our volunteers, how many people do we officially.

H

Have on the community now that are not those special people? I don't. I don't even know honestly.

K

Just like 18 total, it's a large number. It's a large number yeah. It's a really large committee.

K

um So it might take a little while for people to kind of rotate off. So I'm just the committee.

K

Needs to make a decision on how do you want? What do you want that to look like as far as those that.

K

Appointment structure because governance didn't have other major suggestions and the governance.

K

Committee was pretty happy, so it was legal with a language, um the only other. I know the only other.

K

Question they had was um because we are the council's currently considering uh a changes.

K

To the administrative ordinance that require committees to appoint a chair annually in january.

K

um The language around how you appoint the chair and how the chair is chosen would have to be done.

K

Yeah, but we would assume that this committee is going to elect the the chair, that they want. The.

K

Same chair that the committee has been electing, so that's pretty common people continue to serve.

K

um So that's the only other real question we had um you know and- and you know when you're thinking.

K

About the way you want to slot people into terms, think about who who who here really wants to stay.

K

On the committee for a very long period of time, because if, if you want to stay for a long period,.

K

Of time, then, you probably really want one of those three-year. You want the three year.

K

Term, not the two-year or the one year, because um you want to be in a situation where you're.

K

Just reappointed after three years, so that's the thinking my thoughts on this are a couple.

H

um One, it seems like I mean on one hand we could just you know, all draw straws who gets one two or.

H

Three, but on the other hand, I would want to see like we have numerous areas of expertise on here.

H

And people that are focused on different things, so it wouldn't be like we want. Everybody is into.

H

Transportation, they all ended up with a one-year slot and then we don't have anybody. That's focused.

H

On transportation, so we kind of need to somehow balance out those two factors I think to make sure.

H

That you know somebody would whatever expertise is, has both short and long. If there's multiple.

H

People with that, so one thought they had is for the next meeting. We could request from the city.

J

Clerk all the currents, members applications, so we could have them in front of us. We could.

J

Hate to say, put them in order which, like there's some people here, willing to do a.

J

One-Year term versus a three-year term and start sorting it that way and then maybe go.

J

Buy descending order like people who have been on the committee for the longest amount of time.

J

I'm not sure if we're going to want to give them the shortest amount of time or give them the.

J

Longest slot, but come up with it. I think we should start with a list of who's yeah, a stack of the.

J

Original applications that were submitted to the city clerk I mean, I think that is definitely the.

G

Logical way to do it, I would just pitch that, maybe that is an activity that we have a set group to.

G

Do and can reach out to people. I just think that that's a hard group consensus thing. I think it's.

G

Going to be, people are going to be like I kind of want to ditch out here, but I want to be the person.

G

To be like, oh put me in one year, you know like, I think it may be easier if it was you know, maybe.

G

The standing members who aren't even a part of this conversation can help facilitate that um and.

G

There's, like you know, maybe, can put out a draft or shoot on email- hey you're in this group, because.

G

Some guidelines, we decided, you had expertise or you have tenure. You attend a lot. If this doesn't.

G

Apply, let us know you know, and I think that would be a good task for, like a smaller group.

G

um Than like everyone trying to not that, I think that anyone here is gonna be particularly.

G

Feisty about it, but I just think that it could be a long process if we let it be.

A

Yeah, I definitely think it's a longer discussion. Is there any way not to put it off, but to put it.

A

Off like can we defer it for a time like become an official committee with our members and say.

A

You know like, within this certain amount of time we will get down to these numbers, so maybe we.

A

Can have a little more time to think through the process and give people an opportunity to.

A

Yes, you know like, can we can everybody start with maybe a two-year, and then we from after those two.

A

Years we start doing one years and three years you can take the approach that you appoint everyone.

K

For a three-year term, but that means for three years, you're gonna be the size in in the committee.

K

Then then, the mayor won't appoint anyone. um No until you hit you know, no one could be appointed.

K

Really for the next three years, unless you somehow drop below nine to 11 people, which you might you.

K

Might have people enough people leave that you drop down, so you could take that approach.

K

The challenge, then, is balancing terms, and this is what governance committee has been dealing.

K

With for a year and a half is committees that have off-balanced terms and um we're like, like.

K

Parking traffic and safety- I always use as the example, because all five permanent members rotate.

K

Off the exact same time, so that means that you lose all that expertise if they don't come back.

K

And that's the last thing that you want. You want to make sure you have kind of like this healthy.

K

Rotation of expertise and and knowledge, so so that's the concern. I always have around that.

K

um uh You could say all all people are point reappointed and then, as the mayor appoints the.

K

Mayor should appoint to create a stagger, so you could say everybody's appointed for three years.

K

And then, when once we drop below, uh I think it's currently the instructions 11 or something 9 to.

K

11 members, um then the mayor should appoint to create a stagger and you can define what that.

K

Is the new members are appointed for one year? The first you know so so we could go through.

K

That process of setting this up- and I would think we'd want to do that in some sense. No matter what.

G

Method we took for the original appointment right, we're. We wanted the language where.

G

When somebody's appointed, the mayor should be able to look at that or the governance can we should be.

G

Able to look at that and say: we've got a lot of one-year people. You get two, you know where you.

G

Get three and should be able to fill those blanks either way, so I think that language needs to exist.

G

No matter what we do about the first grouping of us yeah, we have an official attendance list, no.

G

Right, I think somewhere yeah there's an official list of doing alternative. There is an official.

K

List the clerk has an official list of who's on the committee. Well I mean attendance of meetings.

K

That would have been an easy way to at least get some big chunks of you have to go back and look.

A

Through the minutes, but people are technically here until they resign right. Officially, they.

K

Send the letter a resignation um or, if they've moved, and they didn't do that. Ultimately, the.

K

Mayor can reach out to them and verify they are no longer. Can we send out a first email.

G

Of just hey we're going through a restructuring if you're not active in this.

G

We, like the numbers, are now matter. Can you please, like here's, an address? No one's gonna.

G

Judge you can you please, like let us know, and at least then we'll have a number of like.

G

Well, our next current email distribution list has people on. If I haven't been on the committee for.

J

Quite some time some people have just in defense of some of the people. I guess um have asked to.

D

Stay on the list, even though they don't that's fair, it's more than fair. So it's more of an.

D

Informational thing, too also, so I'd like to make a suggestion because of time I like the idea josh.

I

Of getting if you're willing to get the official list bring it in next time, and I think it's going.

I

To be easier than we think, there's a lot of people who I've even emailed, if you would resign so there.

I

Might not be that many people on and then for those of us who are here. uh I like the idea of.

I

Keeping as much expertise and uh knowledge in the group and some of us are getting so old that we.

I

Don't want to be on for too long, so I think if we could work it out next week, if people are.

I

Agreed with that- and I have one other suggestion on the ordinance as well the effective date, if.

K

I would personally recommend and we've never had an ordinance. This has upon adoption of something.

K

um Yeah, oh, have we oh well, they told me legal told me that we hadn't, um so that's interesting, so.

K

But I would recommend that you make the effective date like january 1. and so that the mayor can.

K

Take the actions to reappoint the people, the instructions, the actions to repoint everyone here.

K

um And so that this committee is in place january 1st, even if you haven't we, the committee hasn't.

K

Finished his work and adopted the climate action plan, yet um the reason I'm making.

K

That recommendation is that you can pass this and the climate action plan is not adopted and.

K

Say that then you have a council, that's not really! I. I don't think this will happen, but.

K

You have a council, that's not receptive to climate action plan decides not to adopt it.

K

And then suddenly the committee just stays the way it is and yeah. So I would just. I would.

K

Consider adopting it for a january first date: somebody's got to think of the options anyway,.

G

Yeah, it's like it's normally my job at work, so I love this. I'm sorry, actually the butt. If it's.

K

It's possible, it's not likely, but it's it's possible. I try to. I try to always like guard.

K

Yourself against the possibilities, yeah pretty big, swings before yeah. I think that's right, yeah.

A

It's um uh anybody have anything else. Okay, do we need a motion for that to no, we can keep.

K

Discussing yeah we can keep discussing um this and so that you got guys, have some instructions.

K

To send me back with okay, and then I can take them back whenever I would say. Probably the.

K

Latest you probably want these back is um august, because you need some time for three readings.

K

So if we can plan to have it figured out by the end of next meeting, yeah yeah, that's great yeah.

A

um I'm gonna ask for somebody to um suggest that we adjourn and then we can do takeaways.

A

After that, if that works for everybody and then we can stop the recording so the question um I have.

F

The schedule for who the facilitator and recorder is, but it's not what we're doing so. I just wanted.

F

To check in I think ego club was supposed to be here: yeah you're, taking months notes now right.

F

Yes, I have to miss the next meeting, so if it's me, I can't do it well, usually, who facilitates takes.

A

Notes all right I see so so I will take notes. I think I have facilitated because it would have.

A

Been eco club- and they are not right here so summer- I don't know who the next facilitator.

F

Is I thought it was the other way around? I thought the note taker became the facility yeah yeah, all.

G

Right, that's fine you're doing yeah. I think that was an action item in the last meeting.

H

To sort out the yeah in our uh 30 seconds, so josh will facilitate and who will take notes.

A

But he was working on the new one uh and it's on our google docs are the notes for the next meeting.

D

Do you want, did you do the notes before this meeting? No, no, maybe it makes sense.

D

That you do, oh, no, would that make yeah. That would make sense right sure. It says.

F

Morally, it would be facilitator and the recorder is eco club next month, yeah yeah.

K

It's not happening in the next round.

F

uh August is just being facilitator and josh being note taker that who's after just so so. The next.

F

One is josh, facilitating and just taking notes, so there we go. That was just early. Let's do that. I.

F

Got to do it in october, there you go and november. Let's follow us, apparently all right. So that's.

A

Fine josh can facilitate and I will take notes if it doesn't work for you guys, just send an email to.

B

Us or the whole group and someone will volunteer- hopefully all right so does anybody make movement.

A

To a journey second, in second, all in favor all right, anybody have some takeaways. They want to.

A

Share before we go you'll start this way this time boy. That was awesome. We got to a lot of topics. Oh.