City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Technical Advisory Committee, 4 Apr 2023

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4.4.2023 Technical Advisory Committee

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April 4th 2023 site plan review technical advisory committee meeting to order.

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Note that we have a quorum first item of business is the approval of the march 7th meeting minutes.

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Are there any changes or make a motion to approve the minutes? Second, second, all in favor.

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Aye aye aye. um I would like to entertain a motion to remove 375 banfield from the.

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Agenda and we'll just because they've been postponing so long that we're.

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Going to re-advertise them anyway, so moved all right, all in favor, all right all right.

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So that brings us to item b now the request of thomas e mary beth b james b and megan c reese.

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Owners for property located at 305, beverly hill road requesting redevelopment of the.

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Property, including the addition of two new dwellings units for a total of three units.

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With associated site improvements, said, property is shown on the sensor map 255 lot 5. lies within.

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The single residence, a single residence b and natural research protection districts.

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A good way all right good afternoon, everybody good to see you, everybody, uh I'm here uh eric.

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Sorry with all this engineering, I'm here with one of the applicants- jim reese here to my.

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Right, I also have charlie hoyt it's charles and charles charlie. Let's do charlie charlie.

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Hoyt who's, one of the architects for the adu. uh That's going to be attached to the existing.

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Structure we made a few changes to the plans as you've seen through the sets um added some signs.

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To restrict trucks, I've got one here and another one out on beverly hill out on here.

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That's basically indicated that this section of the driveway is not for truck access for tractor.

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Trailers, uh that was at the request of the fire department. I've also revised the water line. It.

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Now stays on this side and it's entirely versus crossing over like we had before and that's to get.

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Around the septic system, which is in here, which we were finally able to track down the plans, there's.

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A fire truck turning template sheet in the set, which I hope is acceptable to you, pat thank you.

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um We have revised the septic slightly. Originally, we were going to tie into the existing system in.

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Here now everything's coming to a new field out in here, so these two will be tied together into one.

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New field, we did a test fit with dave. Was it last week dave or a week before? As expected, the soils.

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Were absolutely fantastic, we went eight feet down, there's no water table, it's all sand and gravel. So.

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It's like septic heaven, um one comment: it's where you want subjects to be: yeah; no, and you never.

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Will again I've never heard of stuff together? It's right here! That's right! It's right here.

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um I got an email from zach this morning about adding a second septic tank so that each unit.

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Has its own tank and that's I added that to the plans this morning. Obviously they're.

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Out in front of you right now, those plans will go into des probably later on today,.

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um We did uh find out what the numbering is: it's 301 303 and 305. beverly hill. I think.

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That's what it ended up being 305 305, 307 309 going the other way and those are to be on the.

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Mailboxes out on beverly hill road, which is at the end of this driveway on the top.

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Here, with existing mailboxes are um that was confirmed with jamie at dpw, so we avoided the.

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Whole private road situation that we were talking about, yeah mailbox, is right here.

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um We got confirmation from the state regarding the conservation easement, uh the replacement of.

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The water line is not in contravention of the easement from what they can tell and I think.

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That issue is behind us now, um and that is it in a nutshell. So uh we're open to questions.

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Obviously we have charlie here to answer any fire code, questions that you may have pat. um I know a.

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Lot of stuff was captured on the plan, but leave it to you guys all right any comments or questions.

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Pat, uh I see you separated the building, that's good.

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I I'm still not I'm not.

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Satisfied with the access, yet okay, it's very tight. What's the width of the road, I don't the existing.

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Driveways, it varies obviously in places it's about 10 feet on average, maybe 12 at the most. I wouldn't.

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Expect you to do 20 20 feet the whole way, um but we need to have a little bit of a buffer here.

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And then uh did you did you look at appendix d in the 2018 ifc for the accessible requirements.

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No because that's relating to a row from what I understand.

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um I was just related to fire department access just in general, okay, I missed that.

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At some point, as we get up close search who the buildings we would want some more space and we.

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Would want to meet the turnaround requirements that are on appendix d, which you might be close to.

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I don't think I have a problem with adam and they bring they bring tractor trailers up there.

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Yeah there's plenty of room yeah and your fire trucks have turned around up there before too yeah.

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They've been up there a couple times.

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So what are you looking for pat and where do you want it? Well, I I see where the you know.

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Looking at the wheel tracks at the overhang or right, you know either we're hitting the line in.

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Numerous places yeah um I'm just looking to have a bit of a buffer there, a little bit more room. I.

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Mean you do have to remember this program. That was extremely conservative. I mean this is the.

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Program that shows that you can't get trash trailers into the nissan site on the spalding.

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Or mr weiner, my partner told me that they brought some of you guys out there and the trash trailer.

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Guy came through, went right through and then hey you guys want me to do it in reverse. If you did it.

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In reverse, so that's the same program. There's a lot of buffer in the calculations on this.

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um But if you want to widen out a little bit, that's a little you in some places.

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Wet in the roach widen the access yeah, oh yeah, slx spots.

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The two tough spots, all right, you got your little cool pointer. The two tough spots for tractor.

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Trailers and the fire trucks are right there and those are already widened. Everything else usually.

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When the big tractor trailers turn around, it's actually right there in the field, there's plenty.

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Of room right there I mean you can stay on the paved area. Well, the gravel area, not 50.. um That's.

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Not a problem, but all of this is is usually what we use, but this is already widened, and this is.

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Already widened to allow for the turning radius for bigger vehicles, yeah the um out pass right.

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About here this status from gis, so it might be old, so if it has been wide and then we did not capture.

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It, but I can take a look at it: yeah we can capture it show it show. A little bit of you know, give us.

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A little bit of a buffer there, let's say we don't expect the 20 feet all the way down. That would be.

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Ridiculous but um show us a buffer and then show turn around meeting one of the options.

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In appendix do you have the 2018, ifc is looking for options there. I think there's.

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Enough space there is, of course, this place is a tractor trailer can get to that. We can.

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Because we don't have them yeah, you don't articulate if you don't want to definitely.

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The electric line that you're showing.

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Not realistic, they're not going to take down the horse, paddy fence to put the oh.

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That's an overhead wire, okay, so add the celtic tank and I think I'm good okay.

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Oh yeah, just because the architects you're, the architect, you said architectural designer so.

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This is a accessory drawing unit, but we're still treated as a two family: correct, yeah, okay yeah. I.

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Did a detail of that? I think I was just going to say: we want to remove that label as an adu.

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Because it got to proved as three dwelling units it didn't go through the adu process, so they're.

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Just three three units: so it's a two family and one family right. Okay, just so you guys.

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Are wearing for septic programming purposes, it's easier, less confusing for them. If I call them adus.

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That's a semantic thing, but I need to well it's definitely to lead them to water. Unfortunately,.

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Well, for the planning board: it's they're, it's definitely gonna. Let it go through.

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Right, it's only a label on the septic sheath that are not part of the plan set right well,.

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In the subject to be labeled as a two family, which is well, it's.

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It's different because the one bedroom is its own.

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Thing and it has a different loading. So when you have a, if you have a one bedroom versus.

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The two bedroom yeah, so it's a 225 gallon per day versus your standard 150.. So anytime, I'm over two.

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Bedrooms I go 150 150 150. in that particular case. It's an adu because it has a kitchen. It has 50.

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More loading in terms of sexual loading, so instead of 150 per bedroom, you know 150 gpd per bedroom.

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So to keep it cleaner with them, I mean treating them as adus, just because it's sort of capturing.

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That one bedroom unit scenario it's it's confusing. Well I mean there. The septics are designed based.

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On bedroom count, they are except in this case it's two separate units. Okay, one of them is only.

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A one bedroom or a studio, so just because it's below this 300 gallon threshold, it's below two.

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Bedrooms I have to have more flow coming agreed. I would just call it its own straight up unit. It.

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Would be a two family and that way everything is. You know everything jive if you're in our records.

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And des yeah yeah I'll, try it I'll see where I mean yeah I'll see where it gets me yeah. I don't.

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Think you're going to get past the planning board. Otherwise, because they're pretty focused on adus.

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And your approval for construction is not going to want to say from des adu, okay right, okay, all right.

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I'll figure out a way to parse it.

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Shantae, did you have your did? You have your first question answered yeah yeah, I'm gonna scrolling.

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The details, but you've got it on sheet day too. I I detailed the assemblies there. We go perfect.

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Okay, thank you, yep and also do. Although it's I had the conversation with pat um now that we are.

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Separated from the barn I I don't show that as a fire rated wall exterior wall, but it will be.

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A I'll make sure it's rated as well. It has to be because it's all I'll have to double check that I.

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Didn't detail it, but I will when it comes time to do the work and drawings it'll be detailed as such.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that it has to be because it's all under one fire area and it's a one.

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And two family drawing but correct I'll double check right, so it doesn't have to.

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Be fire rated, but I think it's talking about this wall because it may be too close to the.

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Back, I don't think it matters, though I don't think, there's a a any sort of a requirement.

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Because it falls under the one in the irc, it's not a commercial and it is an accessory to the.

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Residential use, it's under one fire area, the entirety of that barn and two family, but we'll.

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Nail that down but yeah, you might be able to save yourself some work and some money for the owner.

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I'll review that, with uh with you sure, farges, is submitting the working parents.

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For paul, the bird is used for okay, oh, is it a commercial barn, well she's for uh camp right, yeah.

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That might that might change things: okay, yeah, like the kids camp or through that. Well, when I went.

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Over with paul it was sort of, we were abandoned it around a little bit. We didn't know what to do.

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I just told him: I was gonna just fire it right, okay, so the stricter of the rules, the regs, will.

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Apply if it's an actual wreck, that's right, yeah. We can work through that, though yeah yeah, okay,.

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All right, any other comments, questions.

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Anyone from the public like to make any comment see if anybody's on zoom.

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No one on zoom, no one in the public, so we'll close, that portion.

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It's further discussion: the turning radio showed your driveway going on your butting.

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On the abutting properties, according to gis, it does, but it's not, I don't have to buy a roof.

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If I track the gis it is, but we didn't go surveys. The north broadway right there this year.

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I wonder if that is still left over. It's been there for hundreds of years, so that's not going.

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uh The rock wall that separates the two is, you know, on one side of the driveway, so I think.

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That's probably incorrect. Okay, so the gis is wrong. Yeah. I just had what I had I'm like. Okay, I gotta.

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Get out to the road somehow, because we only had that north driveway through the gis to make it.

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Fit yeah the old rock walls around the perimeter are pretty close to the property line. Okay,.

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Did I make a motion, you can make a motion to move this onto the planning board.

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With the uh stipulations that have been outlined in the meeting.

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Specifically, a second septic tank shall be added for the uh for the other building.

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uh Driveway needs to be able to handle the fire truck and wind in appropriate spots.

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What else should I forget, do you want to see that before it goes to playing word so yeah, so.

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um Turning template will be reviewed by fire where you improved reviewing.

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To be approved by fire prior to submitting to playing board second.

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Any further discussion, all in favor sorry, I just have a question.

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um If, if the driveway is widened in that conservation area, does that need to go back to des.

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Cribe, probably.

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So that might be just an extra for where's the conservation area. It's everything! That's.

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Not being builted, there's a cutout, the driveway. This plan shows the cutout this whole one. That's.

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The cutout yeah anything outside of this is in the easement is in the conservation, easement.

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I'll take a look at what we got for survey if we have to I'll, send johnny shag back out and pick.

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Up what's out there if it is, it has been wide and then like. We might not have to do anything.

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It's been widened by use.

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But you're talking about widening it on the way in or all the way up there it'd be this spot.

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Just need to check it in the corner. You just gotta check this corner and this corner. Okay,.

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This one's not the concern, because that's outside the eastman.

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I bet the corners are close to 20 feet, yeah. Well, we'll we'll take a look at that and if we need to.

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Go back to it, you know el chapo, whoever it was lcit yeah, make sure we get a little peter will.

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Go through the yeah yeah a better view of it. Okay straight we have a motion in a second all.

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In favor hi all right, any posts, you're approved all right. Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Thank you.

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Any other business I missed you guys.

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All right, you're right.