City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Technical Advisory Committee, 8 Feb 2022

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2.8.2022 Technical Advisory Committee

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February 8 2022 work session of the site plan review technical advisory committee.

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We have a special agenda today because we have a presentation, jamie mccarty. Let me get your.

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I don't know if that mouse does that see if you can.

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No, that's all right. It's pretty simple I'll! Just tell you when to advance the slide.

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All right, all right, so uh yup thanks for having me uh my name is jamie mccarty, I'm the gis.

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Coordinator manager for the city, I also do a lot of work uh on the ms4 stormwater permit. um We're.

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Now, entering into our fourth year of that permit and um uh for last year's requirements, we had to.

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Implement uh some enhanced stormwater regulations, and so we worked with the planning department.

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Planning board to amend the site, review regulations and um you can go to the next.

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Slide um but all this is part of an initiative that we're uh kind of marketing through the.

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City is think blue, so this is all uh you know we're trying to coordinate uh environmental.

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And sustainability uh actions throughout the city for water, waste, water and storm water, so.

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uh If I didn't put that slide into my slideshow, brian goetz would be very disappointed with me all.

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Right so next slide um some of the uh resources that we have, that you guys will want to check out.

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um On the city's website, uh we created a page that explains what uh what I'll get into more.

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It's called ptap, um it's going to be a lot of the same stuff that you'll see in this presentation.

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On our website, we link directly to the application, which is that third link there.

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But the the link above that goes to the unh page. That also explains ptap and.

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So I think those are all valuable resources for you. So next slide.

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So yeah back in late 2020, we worked together with the.

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Planning board, uh we presented recommendations based on the requirements of the ms4 permit.

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Those meetings can be viewed here. Those are two youtube links to those two meetings where it was a.

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Preliminary meeting and then the meeting where these regulations were accepted by the planning.

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Board we go into a lot of the details as to why these changes had to be made.

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And so, if you want to get into that more and those are all on the city's youtube.

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Page, you can search for uh those dates and you'll find those meetings. So next slide. So.

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The first item that I'll talk about um is the what we refer to as the land use development tracking.

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Form uh from now on I'll, just uh call it ptap ptap stands for pollution tracking accounting program.

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It was a application that was developed jointly with new hampshire des unh stormwater center and.

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Quite a few municipalities that are part of the great bay watershed and what it is is a it's a.

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Tracking application, that is, tracking land use and uh the implementation of stormwater bmps uh and.

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um So that way we have a receipt of when these things are being installed and and and what and.

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How much change and impervious surface there is uh in these developments that are going in.

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So this for this form, was developed, um so the actual regulation that we put in is that.

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Site review needs to include some sort of submittal of this tracking form.

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For right now and for the you know for the future, as we would hope you know if this.

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Program is successful, it'll all be tracked through this ptap system. uh Other towns, exeter, durham,.

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Have also implemented this and it's any of the towns, municipalities that are included.

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As part of the great bay, nitrogen perimeter also required to utilize this application, so.

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So in our regs it says you have to submit this. The approval is based on as built conditions.

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But we're going to be looking for the applicants to submit it as part of the tac process and I'll.

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Get into a little bit of that later, so next slide uh real quickly. It's the whole program is that the.

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Application is administered by unh and that's where the database lives, the site administrator.

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Is uh is a combination of unh stormwater center and a des representative, when you guys set up a.

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Out uh an account, that's who's authorizing you to be a member uh and a user of this application. So.

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It's uh it's not automated. It's an e, you know it's an email that gets generated and sent to.

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Them and they have to go in and manually, approve it, so there may be a delay there.

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The rest of those town administrator- that's me, I'm the one who can review all.

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The applications that are coming in to the city, town employees can have access to it and then.

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The last one there are the authenticated users, which would be the applicants, so next slide.

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So it's just a screenshot from what it looks like on the web you're going to.

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Put in some basic information about your site and you can go on to the next slide.

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So who's required, so you know in general it says it's part of the requirement for all site.

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Review projects, but um we're really looking for the ones that are having a disturbance, if you, if.

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You check off any one of these three boxes. We're gonna want you to complete a p-tap application, so.

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Any disturbance of greater than fifteen thousand square feet if you're, adding any.

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Type of additional storm water management bmps and, if you're, adding any septic on the site.

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So next slide uh the and so um the on that city's website. um There is a hour and a half presentation.

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That uh des and myself and some other people put together in this room here um for.

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uh For the public- and it was recorded so- and it goes through more details of how the application.

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Works: how to start an application. These key data points that are needed, but basically, what.

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We need is- and this should all be- you know pretty simple- to fill out, because, if you're putting in.

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New stormwater bmps you've already done the design calculations through something like hydrocad.

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That is generating these numbers for you, based on your design, but we need to know the type of.

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Bmp, how much impervious surface it's managing storage capacities? You know what the design storm.

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Depths are all those kinds of things if you're doing any long-term maintenance of bmps um and.

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The surfaces like sweeping a parking lots that can be put in there also um the change in land.

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Use on the property! So if it's going from you know, field forested to a residential land, use.

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You know what the acreages are of that um and then the wastewater is, you know if it's going.

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From undeveloped land and you're going to put septic on there or you're going to be connecting.

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To the city sewer that can all be inputted into the application, so next slide. So here's an example.

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This is the one off of beverly hill road. That's been uh in review right now, so.

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I'm going to go really, you know broad on this. You can see some stormwater.

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uh Detention infiltration ponds in the middle there, another one off to the left.

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um So you know the engineer would uh have those calculations and you can go to the next slide.

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Here's a little hard to read on the screen, but here's an example of what the output is in.

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In the ptap application, so in that top chart uh table there, each one of those lines is one of the.

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Bmps the amount of surface it's treating the water quality volume, infiltration rate and so forth.

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And then the middle one is the non-structural bmp, so they're gonna do sweeping and catch basin.

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Cleaning, um I think that's what it says and then uh and then that last con table is the land use.

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Conversion, so all the different soil types type of land use that covers the lot, those acreages and.

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What it's going to be in its future condition? So all that's got you know. You'll have to input those.

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Soil types and stuff, but then it does the subtraction. You know the conversion for you.

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uh Next slide, um so one of the reasons why we want this done is so that it can help us to.

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Make sure that your that new site uh plans are adhering to our enhanced.

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Stormwater treatment standards, so this was a new addition to these site review regulations.

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And this is a requirement of the ms4 permit and it says that any new development anything uh that any.

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New impervious surface needs to be treated to 80 tss removal, 50 total nitrogen uh from the total.

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Post construction impervious area um and then redevelopment, if you're not touching the existing.

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uh Impervious you don't have to, um let's see, let me make sure I get this right.

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Redevelopment uh any existing parcel yeah 30 percent of the existing impervious cover.

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Needs to be treated and 100 of any new impervious cover needs to be treated to those same standards.

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So next slide right now I'll be producing this report, but basically there's an export out of ptap.

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That then puts it into an epa spreadsheet that does the calculations for the removal rates of.

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These bmps so you'll this is that same project um that bottom chart there you'll see says.

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For each one of the different bmps that were listed um you're, you know we're.

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Getting 100 tss removal and generally 80 uh nitrogen and phosphorus removal uh for.

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um Each one of the bmps that are being installed, so you know pretty clearly we can see that they're.

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Meeting the stormwater requirements, the enhanced stormwater treatment requirements um so next slide.

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So, that's it, that's that's what the ptap uh application is. You know, that's why I wanted to.

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Bring it to this work session, you know all that information should be. I think you know readily.

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uh Ready for uh this point in the process.

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um But just so you guys know the city's using it it's for their own internal uses. We have to track.

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How much uh and and required, to try and reduce the amount of nitrogen that the city is discharging.

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um To the great bay watershed, and um so we're tracking all of our any bmps that this.

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That we're installing as part of city projects, as well as all of our non-structural bmps, like catch.

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Basin cleanings leaf collection, fertilizer control, programs and so forth, so so yeah any questions.

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In terms of the they have to report on their initial.

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So we do have that requirement. That's been a requirement since I think the 2006 permit.

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The long-term maintenance, so this is going to be an easier way for us to follow through with.

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Those long-term maintenance requirements that we already have so right now, all over again.

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Yeah we're still we're still working out how that's going to work. Okay,.

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Yeah because it'll I mean my thought, is that it'll go through a few permit.

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And they'll they'll use that as a form to you know as an annual inspection report.

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And they can fill it out themselves uh and submit it, and you know, but all those there's no new.

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Requirements for that long-term maintenance, they still need to provide that as part of the tax.

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Requirements of you know showing what their long-term maintenance would be on each one.

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Of these bmps- um and this will just be a way for us to follow through with.

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Monitoring that that that that's actually happening.

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Any other questions.

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Any other question.

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Yeah so right now yeah, I think we've got like four submissions so far for ptap applications.

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uh I'm the person who reviews them to see if they meet the requirements for the application um and.

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You know it's still a work in progress, there's some nuances to how you put the data in. So if.

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There's anybody who has a problem doesn't seem to be generating the correct results. You know for.

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Those comments and questions to me, the unh stormwater center, the people who developed the.

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Application are, you know, very helpful and you know have been working with.

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Developers individually on their individual applications to help them get it in correctly, so.

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Yeah all right, thank you. Thank you, peter's if he was peter yep. Thank you.

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The second item on the agenda is uh 70 court street who's. Here for that application.

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Good afternoon um chris mulligan representing the applicant, I also have with me eric sorry.

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From altus engineer engineering, um the project engineers on this project.

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This is, I think, relatively straightforward.

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The applicant has got a variance application pending before the board of adjustment, which.

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Will be heard next week to get relief, among other things, to convert the existing office.

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Building at 70 court street into a eight room, boutique inn with a caretaker residence.

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In order to do that, we're going to need use variants to sort of bless that specific use in.

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That location, but we're also going to need to come before the planning board for a conditional use.

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Permit, because the amount of parking that we have on site is deficient, we currently have um four.

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Spaces on site, the proposal which you will see in the proposed site plan increases that to five.

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But that's still short and leaves us with a deficit of six, so um we will be filing.

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Assuming we get the variances we need, our plan is to file for a conditional use permit to modify the.

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Amount of parking that we need on this in this location. So beyond that, I don't have a whole.

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Lot of information, for you there's a couple of things. I think you can see on the plan that in.

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Consultation with various members of the planning staff we've added, including a um a speed bump.

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um In the rear of the building, this is, I think you might all be familiar with this, but this is a.

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Property that is adjacent to two other properties: that um kind of connect to each other and act as a.

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uh Kind of a thoroughfare or cut through um so there there tends to be some traffic traveling.

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um Although there aren't any permanent easements that we're aware of, there tends to be some traffic.

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Moving from one lot to the other, so one of the things we're going to do or we're proposing to do.

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Is put a speed bump in there to mitigate some of the traffic flow? We're also going to dress up the.

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Rear of the building replace some of the pavement with pavers do some landscaping things of that.

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Nature, but the the relief we're going to need from the planning board would be a conditional.

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Use permit to approve less than the required amount of parking. We have a couple of options.

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One of which would be a shared parking arrangement with a property. That's you know.

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Four or five doors away on middle street, another would be acquiring parking passes at one of the.

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City's facilities and we're really just here to kind of hear any suggestions you might have.

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Or what direction you think would be the most appropriate for us to take in that regard?.

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We, you know understand that the I think the the next submission deadline for a full tack.

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Review is, I believe, the 15th, which is also the date we're going to be before the zoning board.

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So we will likely attempt to get something filed by then and then perhaps supplement it.

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Or modify it based on what happens at the zoning board.

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I think so um any questions from tech members.

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I have some all right: is this going to go through a full site review.

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Where we look at everything, are we just looking at the? I think we're just looking at the conditional.

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Use permit so I think it's there's no other there's nothing changing on the site, except.

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We're shuffling some parking and adding some green space and some papers. I mean it's there's.

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Nothing, technical or really planning oriented, there's, no new building or anything. You will.

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Need a sprinkler system yep and I'm not sure that your egress is adequate either or a hotel. Yes,.

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On sheet c1 note, 1.

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It states the plan set is intended to defeat the redevelopment uh for restaurant use. That.

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Was obviously the last plan where I took this title block no restaurant proposed here, I'm not.

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Familiar with the site or the building, but do you have um where it's a change of use.

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You have combinations for accessible entrances because it looks like you have stairs.

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In other words, is there any rolling opportunity or ramp, or how does that work? We'll have to look.

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At that, the project architect's gonna have to do a full code review on everything. Okay,.

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Where will they, uh I guess the biggest concern is where they're going to park in the winter.

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On the street, well so um again, we we have an opportunity to um utilize a shared parking.

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Arrangement with property, that's owned by the same uh same owners um in a short distance away or.

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um We could you know there. Obviously, there are a number of um public.

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um Parking facilities in a relatively close, uh um you know close distance from.

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This property, um so it's probably going to be a combination of those two. um You know we expect.

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Because of its location downtown that guests in this type of facility, uh it's gonna be kind of.

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You know get your car somewhere and leave it, and then you know it's obviously a very walkable part.

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Of town, um so you know, we would expect that the type of clientele we're going to see are going to.

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Be people that will park and leave their vehicles and not make multiple trips once they're here, okay,.

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So you'll have some kind of notification of people staying.

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And you're, it seems like I, don't have the standards in front of you, but for.

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Additional use, you can either go with a shared parking or just ask you completely.

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Gonna take um well, you know, I guess that's kind of what we would like a little input from.

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You know this body if, if you can give it, um you know we're certainly committed to.

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Shared parking if we can pull it off and if that's what it will take um if it's not.

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You know if people don't deem it necessary, then we'll probably just ask for relief, but you know.

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If anybody has any strong feelings about it, one way or another, that would be beneficial for us.

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The only consideration I have is in the wintertime, as you mentioned, is it going to present a hardship.

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For finding parking, that's the only question I have and I'll defer to staff. If that becomes.

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A bigger issue, I'm good with I I'm good like peter, and I think, you're answering your question.

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Not needing shared parking to make it work. uh I think that I'm not the parking expert.

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Running that department, but I I think, there's general availability on that section at state.

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Street to be able to park most of the year- and I think we do a great job- removing snow that you.

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Know for the overnight they're going to need to be off probably off the street in the garage. But.

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Because my understanding of what we do in a shared parking agreement or the ordinance.

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Requires some kind of covenant between two property owners to provide off-site parking.

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The covenant isn't permanent for a million good reasons. It's a basically a lease agree. Agreement.

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That's revocable, it's a long-term parking commitment. So if this inn is successful,.

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And it's here for 30 years, it's going to exceed anything we come up with anyway that meets the.

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Letter of the law for a covenant, and then we'd be in that predicament anyway, when it expires.

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Because the permit doesn't expire when the covenant expires, the covenant just expires.

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Unless I'm missing something doesn't follow that so yeah, I'm good with with you asking for relief.

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In the absence of a shared parking arrangement,.

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Might be better for your end to have it, but I don't. I don't think it's required.

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Well, you know, I mean, obviously it's going to be a business decision.

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You know provide whatever amenities the clientele expects, um but um you know.

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In terms of acquiring municipal approvals, you know I tend to agree with that philosophy myself, that.

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You know it shouldn't be, you know necessarily dictated one other question we had or I had.

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In moving forward with this, um the in order to obtain a conditional use permit the ordinance.

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Requires that we produce a parking demand, analysis and um you know for a project of this size, um it.

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Wasn't our intention to go out and hire? You know coral and palmer to do a you know a full-blown.

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Engineered study um you know is: is that typically acceptable um or you know, are you expecting? Will.

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You be expecting that, will the planning board be expecting. I think what was it, what would bri have.

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Had a pretty pretty rudimentary parking debate analysis I forget the name: the barber shop.

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Yeah they had a pretty straight, I mean they. They talked about what they had for uses. You know one.

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Chair and how many people would come in and got it. So I think if you can talk about how many I.

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Think and maybe yeah I agree. um Okay, maybe include description of available parking in there because.

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We're talking about six foot six spaces, I mean. That's not I mean yeah, you know parking analysis.

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For six spaces, how many people might be at the end, how many cars you might end up having what your.

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Projection is the business owner must do this anyway. Sure? Okay, are you outside the downtown.

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Overlay district just outside I mean there's four of the six right there. If you, if you were.

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Across the street, so that's not unimportant for people that don't know what that means.

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If you're in the downtown overlay, you get a credit of four because of the presumption of.

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The presence of public parking, so we would just have that in your report. Okay, would would you.

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Have one of these spaces that would be set aside for people who are dropping off their.

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Luggage, for example, like what happens if all five of these spaces are full.

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Is during the day when there may not be available parking mark street and the adjacent street are.

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Both narrow marks sure you believe it's one way. You know we could probably uh talk about.

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um Signage that would leave one of the spaces open as a loading space. um You.

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Know during certain times, I think we would want to maintain it to be an overnight parking space.

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You know permanent parking space but yeah. I think that's a good idea.

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And you are proposing uh caretaker residents as part of part of this inn right yep. So for that.

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Person, or is there going to be a designated space? Well, no, that's the person that we're going to you.

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Know have the most control over so they're they're going to be hoofing it no matter what you did. Okay,.

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But so no, they would not be on sunday. Okay,.

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I don't know that you have to do it.

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But it's worth considering whether there's a way you could provide one of those spaces as.

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A handicapped spot which might double as you're loading it even though that might not be it can.

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You do that, I don't know yeah, but you know: can it be used that way? Probably it's your property.

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In reality, yeah people could use it if it was open, but I gotta look. It could be accessibility.

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Preferred, but something like something like that: just to be fine, you know, because.

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It's all about where it goes. If there's an 88 route to somewhere, because you've got the back.

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Stairs yeah, like something julie, knows just see if you can make it here, 88 percent go up the stairs.

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It doesn't really what's the little thing hanging out to the left of the second spot. There, the the.

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Spot that says two: what is that a light? That is a light yeah is it there now is there? You know.

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Cause I mean what what would probably make sense to me is either one of those two spaces have the.

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Ability with some kind of surface to be a little wider. So if you had a mobility impairment and it.

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Wasn't a handicapped spot you'd know to go there and and either load unload or I don't know, I'm.

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Just thinking out loud, I want to review your accessibility standards because by law you will.

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Be required to designate a certain percentage, so you're going to have to figure that out one way.

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At this point, we need one, no matter what that's what I meant to say: okay, and then also look at.

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Your van, so in other words, depending on how many units you have do, you have to have a van.

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Or is it simply, uh accessibility, yeah and you'll have to have your designer provide that.

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As part of the code review so now nick, if we expanded that space number two yeah does.

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That get us into the front yard. I don't know that you need to go what I'm suggesting you do.

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Is not expand the width of the space but where you're going to landscape near that light, yeah.

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You actually put some textured pavers or something in the landscape island that you could stand on.

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That wouldn't be parking, but would make it more comfortable for somebody to get in and out. I'm.

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Just again thinking loosely here to work sessions, I also think you're. We do not want a speed bump.

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You want a speed hump, you want that to be more subtle, not spilling your drink, going over. It.

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It's just to get people to wake up driving through there not not need a five-point seat belt.

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Speaking about that speed bump is that for travel between this property and the adjacent.

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One number 82 and are there easements for travel uh across the two properties.

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uh There it's my understanding is: there are no formal easements for travel across the.

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Properties but the I think, the long-standing practice, I think everybody in the neighborhood.

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Will tell you the long-standing practice has been that there is through traffic.

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You know I, the the property that we're talking about number 70 is owned by the same principles.

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That own point and walder next door, um so you know they've got an ocean of asphalt back there.

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For parking and there's a an apartment, building next door to it, that also has.

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You know pretty much all pavement in the back, so I think between porter street and mark street.

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There's a fair amount of traffic going through there.

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So, chris, just just to make sure we're hearing you right, I mean the answer is.

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There's people moving back and forth you're going to need an easement on that. If there's.

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Right parking spot without crossing into number 82's property, yeah and yeah who's to.

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Say somebody buys 82 and puts a fence along right. We can't have that. Nor can you, okay.

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Well, they're, a bunch of lawyers, so I'm sure we can well. You know what, even if it's some sort.

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Of floating easement that allows everybody in the future to mutually agree to move it.

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If something happens that you can't foresee, but it needs to be there to protect everybody.

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I think uh there's a few handicap spaces, but behind 82, maybe we could put them in.

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The easement as well, if we needed to just you, just need an easement yeah. We would definitely need an.

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Amazement for that we had actually thought um you know. We had bounced a couple of ideas um around.

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Regarding restricting access either by a fence or a gate or something like that, but none of those.

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Really make a whole lot of sense in my opinion, and I think they would raise some safety issues.

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um In terms of access back there, so I think the consensus is to leave it open as it is now, but.

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Do what we can to mitigate traffic? I mean it's an existing condition that um you know.

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Has just evolved over time and it doesn't, you know, doesn't seem to be unworkable, but.

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It also seems like a benefit to everybody, including emergency services,.

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I'll take that right, pat yeah. Actually they didn't go into this building on the.

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Other side of my street we had staging up and we we had to make sure that we would.

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Have access to that parking lot at the time that was just about a month ago, yeah. I remember that.

H

You know seeing that str that striped area come down is a little odd surprise. You showed us that.

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How many this is an old photo 2008 on google street, but it shows three spaces.

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Instead of two adjacent to the, the existing survey shows two up by the building and two up along the.

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Fence line, but I think in front of that light pole people will squeeze in if they need to and that.

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Third space, on the right hand, side on the bottom: it's not there! It's not demarcated.

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But people do park there from what we can tell, but officially there's only four spaces existing.

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Yeah, does it make sense to any of you? I think I mentioned this when I met with you guys.

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The applicant a week or two ago does it make any sense to make the throat of that curve cut.

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A little bit smaller than it is in order for that first car that that's there to not be hanging out.

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In the driveway, I brought it down the new little bit of grass we're adding. I brought.

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It down to the end of the brick sidewalk, okay, so the logical place all right, stop I'll! Stop talking.

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I just obviously there's a lot of quirkiness here. Oh yeah best fit that's what we're looking for.

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Any other comments, or are you all any questions? Can I ask one more what what are.

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You doing between the two buildings somebody parks there now in that. What happens in that.

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White space that's shared between the two yeah. I think somebody does cram themselves in there.

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So just a question to consider it's a work session. You probably have a piece of mechanical equipment.

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There that little box- but I can't tell not the dark one but whatever the light box, is.

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You know sure would be great if there was a way to deepen that parking space.

H

So you don't need a fee at 500 to park there without blocking the driveway.

F

All right we'll take a look at that. No promises we're going to find out what that is.

H

Get your truck in there dave we'll work it out. Yeah.

A

What's that, why, I think, with the nine rooms times, the 1.25.

G

Would equal 11.25 spaces with the ground up to 12, not 11.? Oh, I think the.

D

I think I can explain the discrepancy there. um The way I've calculated it is that we need.

D

10 spaces for eight hotel rooms and one space for an apartment, that's 700 square feet or less.

D

So perhaps I calculated that wrong.

D

But that's how that's how we came up with that number yeah. I'm not sure we looked into that so.

H

That's why we're quiet over here I mean it's gonna. It's gonna need relief, yeah, oh yeah, no.

D

Matter what there's no quality out there we'll look at it. But if, if data caretaker apartments.

D

Less than 750 square feet, we need one space, one space, correct and again that's the easiest. One.

D

For us to deal with, because that's the space we're going to have the most or the the user.

D

We're going to have the most control over so um that's kind of the least of our problems.

A

Sounds good, okay, all right! Well, thank you very much. Thank you. Well, those pavers.

H

At the foot of the stairs yeah, I listen to you.

A

All right, uh next on the agenda, we have 200 230 commerce way.

I

Good afternoon, everyone, uh neil hansen with tyne bonds,.

I

So project we're looking at is at 230 commerce way. um The existing parcel has the three-story.

I

Office building and then a large parking area behind it, and then it butts the.

I

Large wetland area that is between portsmouth boulevard and was it market street there.

I

So the proposed project would be adding another two-story office building to that rear parking.

I

Area the first floor would be a vet clinic and then the second floor would be general office.

I

We will be seeking a special exception for the vet care use, which is only allowed by.

I

Special exception: we're also going to be needing a conditional use permit for the wetland buffer.

I

Impact um as you can see from this, the existing or the existing conditions plan anyway, the existing.

I

Parking paved area is, is already impacting the uh the hundred foot underfoot 100 foot welton buffer.

I

And the the proposed project will be reducing the impervious cover within that buffer.

I

There's currently approximately three 3 000 square feet of impervious within that buffer and.

I

The alignment layout we're looking at on this page here has approximately.

I

750 square feet of impervious and then also about 5 500 square feet of restoration area.

I

We will be doing some minor modifications to the the parking area to allow for that building and.

I

Some better circulation to the rear of the site, as well as we're proposing to add a driveway.

I

Off of portsmouth boulevard with a dedicated turn lane for that left, turn onto the site.

I

We did a quick look at potential traffic impacts on the site, so the vet use we're basically we're.

I

Moving from across the street, which is at 215 commerce, so that would be we're just basically.

I

Moving the use across the street so there'd be no additional trips for that, and then the second.

I

Story that additional 12 000 square feet of office would be approximately 20 additional trips. So it's.

I

Pretty negligible increase in traffic for this, this book can leave that space where the vet was.

E

Vacant, I assume I I I mean something else would go in there. So yeah, I'm sure you can.

I

Just discount that right, yeah we'd have to look at whatever that square footage is, but.

I

um If, if it goes back to another office use, it would be um it'd be about half the number.

I

Of trips for an office use compared to the vet, so unless another vet went in there it would be a.

I

Just those additional office trips, are you saying the vet across the street.

I

So there's there's a vet clinic at 215 commerce, which is where, on there.

I

It's on the bottom left of this page: okay, oh the next parcel one of the buildings on here already.

I

Yes, over here right, yeah right where your cursor is moving, that would be yeah, so they would be the.

I

Tenant on the first floor, they're the proposed tenant on the first floor: okay, um what's on.

I

The second office general office, yeah yeah, so and then obviously whatever went into that.

I

I mean something: something's gonna fill that space, so uh it's kind of hard to know exactly.

I

What what would go there, um but either way it's it's pretty pretty low change in traffic.

I

And then, as far as utilities, we'd be looking to pull.

I

Water, water, gas and electric from portsmouth boulevard and then connect there's an existing.

I

Sewer running through the site that we would be proposing to tie into storm water would be adding.

I

You know detention treatment as necessary obviously have to go through the design on that.

I

That's that's the general general overview of the project and.

I

Anyone's got any questions comments.

C

It what's the detention, what's the treatment of stormwater now.

I

uh As far as I know, there is none for that rear parking lot. Is it all sheep flow or is it.

C

Just catch basin, just all sheep- I think it's all sheet flow yeah amazing. So how old is this 20 30.

C

30 years, which is the original building, I think yeah, oh well, it's pretty tired, but yeah.

I

That's a good way to describe it so yeah there I mean all this all the air in the.

I

Back we'd be we'd, be capturing and detaining and treating as necessary, so stormwater perspective.

I

Would be a pretty significant upgrade for for? What's out there now and the I see the outfall.

C

That you're proposing is that just an initial concept? Yes, okay, because you're thinking you might.

C

I'm thinking you might want more than that, like a rain garden or something yeah, and um you know we.

C

We still have to do some some site investigations to find out. If we can, we can do infiltration or.

I

Any sort of uh sort of green bmp, as opposed to what we're just showing is.

I

Obviously, very conceptual beacon of green bmps, um the salt storage on the site in.

C

Yes, um can you take a look at that when you bring the application in yeah, make sure it meets our.

C

Regulations, you didn't say it already same for lighting.

H

How big is the vet place across the road? That's moving in here.

H

I I don't have a significant expansion. I'd have to look into that yeah. I don't know.

A

Near the comp pat did, you have, were you right say something a couple.

E

Fire suppression system going in, I assume yeah I would assume so, um but that would be up to the.

I

Building designer or the code, whatever yeah, I'm not sure about that. I don't know. I don't know.

I

It would be required- I'm not not familiar with building code, but yeah. That would be that would.

I

Be something architect would have to look at um and then the access around the side and the rear.

E

Is pretty narrow for fire department access? Okay, it could be 20 feet.

I

That's the same even with a two-story building.

E

uh It may be affected whether or not there's a fire suppression system in there. Okay,.

E

What's the what's the length in the width of the building.

A

A

80 by 80 it would be.

C

Square footage yeah, it's basically a square, so I don't know what's square root.

I

I mean I measured it 60 by 60 about oh, it's bigger than that.

H

It's it's like 120, 100 squared you've got 2 4 6 8, 10, 11 parking spaces on one side and.

I

Okay, so it's about that okay yeah! It should be good to see the architecturals in there.

H

No they're they're, not where the entryway is and how that's treated up.

H

Presumably, on the front it'll be good to see that on the elevation, yep yeah, your sidewalks.

H

Look like they're five feet wide you're going to want them all of that with the overhanging cars.

H

That you know when they pull into those parking spaces yeah some people are going to put their bumper over the sidewalk.

H

Actually, you need to make sure they're wide enough. You can still walk in front of the.

H

E

I expect, based on the size of the building.

E

Even without a suppression system, you're going to need fire department access, okay,.

C

I had a couple more questions, so I appreciate all the reduction of.

C

Buffer impact just check our regs, because new new impervious surface in the buffer is supposed to.

C

Be pervious unless you demonstrate otherwise, so you have to have a reason why you wouldn't.

C

Make a pervious pavement: okay, what's left, I know you're removing previous impervious pavement, but.

C

Maybe that's your argument, but just keep an eye on that section.

C

And then um there's some pretty narrow, slivers you got on here just make sure your delineation.

C

Is up to date? Yes, that is um so, and I I didn't mention, but we are going to be a conservation.

I

Commission tomorrow for work session, yeah and we do have uh go of environmental- is going to be.

I

uh The wetland scientists so they'll be making sure that we're all okay all up to date on all.

I

The all the wetland components yeah just check the boundaries in these areas, in particular.

E

Let's have a portsmouth boulevard address too bad jamie's, not still here.

I

I believe that is the intent of the the applicant. um We want to get that squared away. Okay,.

J

We're just making the condition it would have to be a placebo. It's that.

J

Easy other comments, david couple things so um when the city rebuilt commerce way.

J

A couple of years ago we never found the water main okay, so the original development.

J

Had a cul-de-sac in front of 230., it did not attach to portsmouth boulevard.

J

um At the time, so the water was actually fed for this building because it was the first building.

J

It was actually fed from watson, boulevard and, and we don't know where that mean is it's somewhere.

J

Between these two buildings, the proposed and the existing, um so we're probably going to task you.

J

With finding that water main and using that for your water serving okay and then discontinuing.

J

The other end where it, wherever it attaches to commerce way from the other side, because right.

J

Now we have to turn three valves off to shut the development off, because we don't know where the.

J

Connections are, and we didn't have permission to dig holes in the parking lot like over us.

J

But we tried ground penetrating radar. We tried every thing that we could possibly think of.

J

Try to find that water man, but it's ac pipe, so you can't trace it.

J

So you're just going to come upon it and there it's going to be.

J

Sounds like fun: it's going to be real fun yeah. It should be a good time for somebody.

J

Thanks dave you're welcome uh the electrical that you're showing is coming off of a little tiny.

J

Transformer that right now is just powering the irrigation system and the light street lighting.

J

On portsmouth boulevard, so that's not real you're going to need to run to an electric.

J

Manhole somewhere, okay to get primary and then you're going to have to deal with the irrigation.

J

System you're also going to impact one of the lights on portsmouth boulevard, so you're going.

J

To have to show us what you're going to do with that, so that we don't lose lighting on the street.

J

You know I'd like you to move the driveway about 15 feet to the right, so that you're not.

J

Impacting the catch basin that right now is in the driveway okay, so that that catch basically.

J

Can still be on curb line, then you can start your radius after that shouldn't affect anything.

J

In the buffer zone, okay right, you mean you're, closer to market closer to market yep. Exactly.

J

um I think we should require a fence behind the building so that people who are walking their pets.

J

That go to the vet, aren't walking around and, and that also collects trash before it blows into the.

J

Big wetland back there, especially on the market basket side. There is a trail on the commerce.

C

On the ports of boulevard side that they'll want to connect to, but they should designate that and.

C

Mark it- and I agree, fencing off those areas behind market basket might be a good idea, because.

C

It's steep for one and there's a lot of trash back. There it'd be nice to protect that with it.

C

So I don't think it's unrealistic to ask you to treat all the water behind 320 even.

J

Areas that you're not touching, I understand that the area in front of 320 drains south.

J

Toward the next building, so that would be out of bounds really, but we're going to want you to.

J

Try to pick up all the flow that's behind the building, so we can at least get that treated.

J

And last, but certainly not least, uh she's gonna request that you build a sidewalk on market street.

J

From portsmouth boulevard to granite street, which is about 215 feet more or less and.

J

Put in a pedestrian crosswalk across market street, from portsmouth boulevard across market.

J

Street, so that people can walk through there without having to go up and over that bridge.

J

Part of that will be that island, that's in the middle, is wide enough for a pedestrian refuge. So you have push button activation in the island as well.

J

The signals are all set up for walk lights, but you'll need three ped poles with buttons.

J

Crosswalks across market street and then 215 feet of sidewalk.

A

A

Anything else from anyone, yes, the proposed sewer connection would need a manhole at.

G

That location, it's just shown direct piped into the sewer main currently.

J

We're going to look at the infiltration record on this cross-country line to nail just to.

J

Verify that we don't have any issues in there, but we should know that before you come back.

J

Dumpster will have a fence around today. Soon, yes,.

E

Mulch any mulch the parking lot around the building should be either non-combustible approved by the fire department. Gotcha.

C

And where you're putting landscaping in the buffer, it's a restoration plan, so I'm sure.

C

Global will be key to that, but I'm sure you provide wetland buffer, plantings, yeah and yeah.

I

Go goldbee. We can talk about that tomorrow. You'll get an earful of that.

A

All right anything else you all set now yeah yeah.

A

Good cool, thank you.

A

You're done right, I thought we were, I don't know yeah so.

A

Are you we don't have anything? We didn't have a submission for.

A

Yeah, what are you here for? What are you guys here for 325 little harbor.

K

Submitted yeah, we submitted it in a number of places, actually.

L

On viewpoint a couple weeks ago, I have a usb drive.

A

L

We were asked to submit um you said over the tac website. We originally submitted through.

L

The splitting board website, because our project was just a wetland cp.

L

And it's residential, but here I think you and ray ask that we come here for the utility review.

C

Yep attack application because all the line in the street yeah, so we originally submitted it through.

L

The original planning board application and then two days later, um we submitted.

L

It through the attack website, because a staff member had asked us to do it that way. Instead.

H

Is this? Is this a work session? This is a work session. I mean, I think, if people want to review.

H

It it's not the end of the world, no, we could no decisions going to be made. I don't know it wasn't.

C

On the agenda, is this complicated I mean, have you ever seen it before? What did you do well nobody's.

A

Seen it before because yeah I brought it down, can you pull the application and put it up on.

A

Yeah at least sniff them you have it on a thumb drive they haven't done it. Steph has.

C

Oh you had it stephen got it yeah. I I saw them here and I realized what they were here for so.

L

Hannah did you submit attack, work session application or just a regular tac application.

L

There was an email from a staff member I'll have to check who okay.

B

We can figure it out, let's just submit it. She like gave me the link to the direct.

L

Like okay, but we can figure that out later it must have been kim kim or isaac. Isaac, isaac.

A

So that's the cover letter. There should be another pdf in there.

A

Maybe you can summarize the letter and talk us through the proposal just to remind everybody so.

L

My name is hannah giovanucci civil engineer with tf moran here with me, have corey also at tf moran.

L

And bernie lee of severino construction um again we're here for 325 little harbor road where's, a.

L

Residential property, um it is a private island, um it's also known as lady isle or belle isle.

L

um And again, we're here um just on behalf of doing the utility design to share that with you.

L

Normally residential applications don't need attack review but based on a lot.

L

Of the activity that we're having going in little harbor road and connection in sagamore.

L

I think it's beneficial that we hear input from the city as well. uh Bernie's actually doing the.

L

Sagamore sewer extension project, so hopefully you trust him with that. You'll you'll trust.

L

Him on this private project also to do kind of the same area. You don't trust him at all.

L

I don't blame you and just a little interjection. We have been before the conservation commission.

K

We were slated to go to the planning board in december peter and ray contacted me and said.

K

Hey the utilities here are pretty complex. We want you to come before tack for for a review.

K

Of those utilities nicely enough, he did that just before we were going so you weren't stuck.

L

At planning board I mean the big thing really is that it's in the public right-of-way.

C

And it's um a whole new sewer service for the streets really. So let me see if I can get this to.

L

Work, probably I don't think you just tell me what a public road so I'll just do um a quick overview.

L

Of just the structures that are on the site, but first just big picture before we go into the.

L

Actual design, if you could go to sheet scroll down, I'm just going to look at the utility plans.

I

11 yep and we'll just rotate between 11 and 12.. That's all right! So we have um currently on the.

L

Island we have an existing dwelling, it's a two-story um house. There is also a cottage.

L

And then there's also a carriage house, a barn, a shed another barn. So there's a.

L

Lot of structures on here already, so what we're going to do is demolish the existing building or.

L

The existing dwelling and do a two-story home we're going to renovate it's a historic cottage.

L

Which will be an accessory dwelling unit, but it's just like a guest house.

L

There's also going to be a new garage, that's built, there'll, be a pool.

L

And pool pump house area we're going to renovate a barn, that's closest to the tennis court.

L

A barn that's over where this like horse paddock area, is going to be relocated.

L

And also the shed near the dock is going to be replaced as well. So obviously, we have a lot of.

L

Utility connections that need to happen to get all these buildings to function properly.

L

So towards the bottom of the page, we have a bridge there, so the existing site is serviced by.

L

Existing water, it's a two inch main and what happens is it's constantly freezing.

L

So and it's not insulated either, so it just freezes as it goes over. So that's a huge issue.

L

It's also serviced by a septic system which is just kind of right in front of where the proposed.

L

House is, and then also to the north um there's an overhead utility line that connects from pleasant.

L

Point which is pretty unsightly, so our hope is that we can provide all the new connections.

L

Via the belle isle road right there- and that is, um if you go to the next page,.

L

So the top right is kind of where the island is all the way to the right. So as you're going left.

L

You're going closer towards little harbor road, so we have a four inch water main we're planning on.

L

Using c900 pvc that's going to be insulated as it goes underneath the bridge and that's.

L

Going to carry out all the way over towards little harbor road, if you can scroll towards the bottom.

L

We're going to do a wet tap right at the end of the driveway, the driveway from.

L

um Little harbor road to the island is about a third of a mile, um so we're going to do wet.

L

Tap there stainless steel with gate valve. We also adjacent to that we're next going to do a.

L

Gas connection the gas is going to go all the way down to sagamore, which is all the way to the left.

L

And from where the driveway is to sagamore, that's about a half a mile.

L

I understand there's in the sidewalk of sagamore there's a gas connection right there. That's two.

L

Inch so we're going to extend the main to two inches and then we'll be coordinating with.

L

um Unitil or eversource for what the correct size is for our gas main in our mep.

L

Next to that, um if we can go back to the page before we have sewer, so we're going to be doing.

L

You can't, you might not be able to see it here. um We have a sewer gravity, that's going to come.

L

Right outside of where, like the 50-foot buffer, is and there's an e1 pump, that's going to start.

L

Right there and it's going to travel underneath the bridge again, that'll be insulated as well.

L

It's a one and a quarter pipe and we're hoping to get that to go to a manhole in sagamore.

L

And connect there that's about almost a mile of stretch for that and then adjacent to that.

L

We're gonna do electric we'll do four conduits, two four, um just plain old electric two for.

L

Communications and that's gonna connect just um across the way uh at a utility pole, underground.

L

So that's the gist of uh the utilities um where there's an existing driveway.

L

That's already there so just as doing that, we're just gonna keep everything within those limits.

L

And just repave it same same as it is right now.

L

So I'm looking forward to your comments and advice on this.

J

You know we just repaved the road three months ago right, I know.

L

I know it's just going to be repaving the road. I know I'm upset too. Why don't you tell me.

J

Because last I saw it you were going the other way at a pleasant point.

J

Yes, otherwise, I would have said something: yeah, no good point dave. Our plan was to go.

K

Our plan was to go to pleasant point, we've worked with des, we started wetland permitting and there.

L

Was a salt marsh? That's right! Over there we had some geotech work done and then basically what.

K

Stopped that was there's um the depth of the mud was was not enough. We had to bury those utilities.

K

In bedrock and that became very impactful to fish, I understand wildlife. You can't do that.

J

Underneath, where the bridge is correct, there's not enough soil where the bridge is you don't want to.

J

Need to go underneath drill it with, as opposed to trying to heat, underneath that little bridge.

L

Bernie's, probably the best answer this. No, that's not that's where the existing water goes now.

M

And it's been repaired. Yeah it's been repaired several to on both sides of.

M

The bridge they've had to repair and just leave another water in because it bursts.

M

So how are you going to keep the water warm? It's going to be because there isn't going to be enough.

J

Water moving through that pipe to keep it from freezing right. It's going to have the appropriate.

M

Insulating jacket on it, that of any typical bridge crossing and then it'll have a heat tape.

M

That'll be also hooked to the generator connection, so it won't fail.

M

We've used many applications. When we I mean I've done it at liberty, mutual.

J

You're gonna have electrical connections, so it's heated all the time. Yep.

J

Is that the only way it's not gonna, freeze yep, I guess the biggest issue we have is the sewer.

J

And the obvious question is: why don't you put a septic system in up on the top of the hill.

J

Where the good soil is and there's plenty of room for a septic system.

J

Because, by the time that septic comes all the way down that road and all the way up sagamore, it is.

J

Going to be hideously offensive and odiferous, we had we hadn't. I think so. One other thought.

L

One other thought we wanted to float by you. We were discussing potentially using um just like.

L

A septic tank, so everything would flow into the septic tank all the solids and a lot of like the.

L

Actual sewage part would just stay there and then, with the gray water that we would pump out instead.

L

So that way, there's no there's no like fumes or anything that would cause corrosion further down.

L

And, like the gravity part of sagamore, and it just wouldn't smell, it will smell, it won't smell bad.

J

The um we have other means that are just as long with force mains and you just.

J

This house is not going to develop enough storage that you can put in a force made that long. It's.

J

Just not going to work, so you really should the other things we can work on, but the septic you.

J

Should be looking at putting a septic system on the island, if you can, it certainly is a lot less.

K

Expensive to put a septic system on the island, part of the reasons we were looking at sewer is.

K

We've got to run utilities down that driveway, you know so we're going to be digging up the road. It's.

J

Kind of like oh well, we might as well do it while it's there. But if you understand the nature of.

J

Sewage, you will understand that you're going to create a problem for us downstream you're going to.

J

Have to put odor control systems in and all kinds of things that you don't want to par any part of.

K

The other, where does the odor escape from you know, actually, when it gets discharged in sagamore ave.

J

It'll go into the gravity, sewer, yeah and then it'll go and vent out. The.

J

The adjacent houses, those are the people that are complaining, gotcha, so it'll. You know.

J

Yep and then so, you'll never smell it on your end, but they'll be horrendously impacted unless.

K

Others really really really really don't want you to put a sewer force mate in.

J

Okay, what about dave, if others along the way tied in to boost that, if you had a flow that might be.

J

Different but you'd have to have everybody literally everybody on that road, tied in.

J

And then maybe, but not guaranteed. What, if we tied in downstream of the last uh clean on.

M

Manhole walker bungalow that we're going to install into that two-inch horseman, so that.

G

Sewer force main is going to travel all the way down. Walker, bungalow all the way down.

G

Shaw, then, all the way back up, sagamore and that would essentially double the length of time. That's.

G

In the sewer force mate just by its configuration, but we have a ton of users, I guess if they tie on.

M

If they tie on, if they tie on there's a ton of users from that main hole to that point,.

G

You wouldn't have a lot of users starting out on the walker bungalow area and that's if they.

G

Tie on it would cause a lot of problems in the short term that may not get fixed for.

M

Right yeah a long time, please put it so we could. I guess if we propose to put a dry pipe in that if.

M

Everybody on walker, bungalow, shaw, et cetera, tied on he could put a leach bed in now. Simply just.

M

Install a two inch pvc main, so he doesn't have to dig up his driveway until we, you said: okay, yeah,.

M

Now you can tie on especially you know. The nature by itself is really long right and it's just what.

J

Is it two houses out there I mean they're, big houses, but they're two houses. You think they're.

M

Not going to generate that kind of flow, you need a subdivision, yeah, 300 gallons a day right.

J

Let me tell you what happened in 1996.

K

It was a long time ago. Wasn't it, it sure, was yeah yeah. What what dave's.

K

Talking about is him, and I worked on this island back when we were both in our 20s.

K

And uh there was a lot of a lot of concerns then, but I'm I'm with you dave on septic. The only.

K

Thing in my head that bothers me is most of that island is in the hundred foot wetland buffer.

J

But not all of it, not all of it. There is room, there is room on the west side.

K

Outside of it, the soil is decent yeah on the on the left, but on the left of the wooded area, yeah.

K

We do have plenty of um vegetation left over. You know that we wouldn't be impairing the.

K

The natural woodland buffer and the percentage we have to keep it's just the uh you know the.

K

Septic system- I guess it would- we probably could keep it more than 100 feet from the water's edge.

K

Get it out of the hundred foot buffer? The concern I had, or the thought I had was if we can go.

K

Sewer, why not? And then we don't have the septic concerns so close to the piscataqua river. It's.

K

Not environmental, it's the people that you're going to affect and you'll never even smell it.

J

So that's the reason so that being said, you're looking at re pretty much.

J

uh Re-Bindering the entire section of saga bar from the driveway to where we stopped.

J

The city is repaving little harbor road this summer, that'll be part of the final overlay.

J

So it's already in the contract for paving, so you get a couple of months to work in.

J

Before we close the door for five years, let's stick it to gas, at least at this point. Yes, and.

J

Whatever water connections you need, yeah at this point would be get the gas down.

M

Across and tap the water, where are you going to drop the power to the pole across the street from.

M

The driveway on the far side a little harder road, yes, the opposite side, you're, not you're.

J

Going down bow isle road all the way so you're gonna put electrical manholes in every it's just.

M

It's just vaults right now: it's just their pull box, yeah! Well, they're primary bull boxes, yeah yeah,.

M

Right, every six they're big they're, big yeah, so four bucks I already designed it with nick costco.

M

We've got a knuckle. Design certainly have no problem, but that's what's going to happen.

J

You're going to have to remove everything that we just did from the driveway to where we stopped.

J

And then we were planning on going to sagamore with the overlay so that.

J

That part you wouldn't have to pay for, but the rebindering you would it would be the.

M

Lane that we're in uh we wouldn't want the lane we want the we want it just like it is.

L

You gotta have one more. I have some. You really want more.

E

What's the weight limit of the private bridge.

K

K

It's currently, it was reviewed by.

K

Mike seifert of he's now with horizons, he used to be mjs consulting, and I want to say that it was.

K

Approved for 70 thousand pounds, seventy thousand pounds.

K

We're currently under contract with the owner to reinforce the bridge to h20 loading.

M

Depending on how many axles we have, basically, we could carry on a little bit a hundred thousand.

M

Pound extra data across it I'm meeting with bes tomorrow, to because we're above tie line to see.

M

If they want anything for us to reinforce the bridge abutments in the structural steel, so.

M

We're gonna we're gonna, reinforce that bridge.

M

So that it will accept construction equipment for our equipment and for concrete trucks, etc. But.

M

Right now, basically, a 10 wheel, loaded, 10 wheeler can go across that bridge safely, which.

M

Covers your fire trucks at this point require fire suppression or it's a private road yeah. That was.

A

uh Will there be how many structures are out there? Seven, I think one, two three, two residential.

K

The rest are barns or garages uh there'll be a oh, they won't be living at the same.

K

Time there'll be a primary residential building, which is shown right in the middle of drawing.

K

And just last thursday evening we got approval from the planning board for a detached accessory.

K

Dwelling unit, which is the caretaker's house which is being renovated so that will get use.

K

You know we're told half a dozen times a year, but the primary residence will be a um four five.

K

Five people, family, five-person, family and they'll, be you'll, be putting a suppression.

E

System in both of those you're gonna need a blow-off hydrant. We have one okay.

G

That four inch main is not going to get a lot of turnover. Fire suppression. That's a good question. I.

K

Don't know I haven't seen the architectural construction drawings haven't been advanced.

K

Enough to to answer that, I think the last time we discussed this, this was probably.

L

Like a year or two ago, we were looking to use the sea water to pull it in from there.

K

For fire suppression, why would you do that? If you have a 4-inch man, if I think they didn't at the.

E

Time, oh yeah, but yeah. So now you would should be able to because you only need to supply a.

E

Couple of heads yeah, two heads really in each structure well flowing at a time I should say.

E

Which is not a lot, it's like, usually around 26 gallons, a minute total between the two of them.

K

So would you like to see fire suppression in the residential buildings.

E

Certainly in the residential buildings and then.

E

We want to see what is being how the other building is being used.

E

What's being stored, the residential, the big ones? Yeah, it's a life safety issue, the other.

K

Buildings are so the garage is going to be a four car garage. The barn is being converted to a.

K

It's storage, but there will be some office space in there. A one-person office with a bathroom.

K

It is one story: it's two-story is the office on the first floor or second place. uh The office.

K

Is planned to be on the first floor? Maybe we'll look at that, but I'm not as concerned with that.

E

The residential is more important. Is it a requirement for sprinklers? Could they just.

L

Do I think, the last time we discussed with them, they didn't want a sprinkler inside. Why would they.

E

Not want to sprinkle it inside what would they be? Don't they, like the house and I'll put fast food.

L

Because it would do that, my understanding is, if, like it goes off, it goes off ever almost.

L

Everywhere and so that's it yeah one head at a time, so each head has it: has a film filament.

E

That melts and that's how the water flows. So it's only one head at a time. It's only in the movies.

E

It's a good movie, though,.

H

Just like when they hit the fire hydrant the thing explodes into the air that doesn't.

J

Happen so will only one of these go off in this room at a time, one road only when the heat gets.

C

Hot enough to melt it, each one will come on as they as it feels in this room gets bigger. Yeah.

C

I guess there are, there are ones it's a deluge system, but.

E

Like if you're, storing rainbow liquids or something in a warehouse, you might have a daily.

E

System where they all go off at once, but was it older buildings too? That did that as well. No, okay.

E

And if they're properly installed and maintained, they will only go off when there's a fire.

K

Yeah, so I just want to recap, so we hear you, the preference would be to have a septic.

K

System no sewer, but as far as gas, electric and water, I think we've detailed them on the.

K

Drawings no significant concerns, obviously they'll be reviewed when we come to attack.

K

Fire suppression in the residential buildings.

K

And that's all I've heard so far: oh uh repeating yeah repaving of little harbor road ready to go so.

J

Yeah, you have a very short amount of time and is that a moratorium that happens or.

L

That just means that we have to if, after that, don't have to rebuild entirely yeah right.

K

And that's the speed tables that's slated for summer, the paving yes okay, so it has.

K

To be done by summer, it should be done by july sometime. I will work with you, of course,.

J

There's a nature of your excellent client who always always worked for me. Thank you.

L

And thanks for hearing us as well yeah, we appreciate it. It's a very, very.

K

Large residential and very expensive project and takes many many permits and we've been.

K

Working on it for years, quite honestly, and we appreciate your input and help.

L

Appreciate it thank.

A

You I speak to you. Thank you, entertain a motion to adjourn so move. Second, all in favor all right.