City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Trees & Greenery Committee, 13 Feb 2023

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2.8.2023 Trees & Public Greenery Committee

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The best audience will have a chance to know who we are.

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Peter lachlan, thanks leader, hey michael griffin, uh peter s is thank you very much.

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In the january 11th meeting.

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um Thanks, yes, um so these are three ash trees in front of the community.

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Campus to the left of the main entrance um completely shot through with woodpecker holes.

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And exit wounds so suggesting that it's an eb infestation, um yeah just figured because.

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Of the location, it should be important to post these and get them as soon as possible.

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Okay, any questions about those uh eventually yeah, we'll replace them not with ash, though.

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um Yeah, maybe not necessarily with this year's landing, because most of our trees.

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Have been allotted already, but certainly within the next couple of years, expected.

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They're, relatively small I couldn't really tell yet, but maybe 25 years at the most, I would say.

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um Yeah now the rest of those ash trees in that area that they go to.

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I am willing to bet they will. Yes, eventually we're looking mostly for those. Obviously, those.

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Exit holes, uh the bringing sex and then you know, woodpecker holes are also sure, tell signs because.

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They're, obviously beating on everything that's in there, but we're also now's a great time to.

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Start looking for that sort of blonding effect that occurs on bark and we often see it maybe.

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In the reporting subject, ground first and they slowly make their way down. It covers the entire.

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Church so now's a good time and we're just kind of going across the city. Looking for these and.

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We'll address each tree as they as they come up to us, okay equations to max, so we have an.

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Option to recommend uh someone looked at. I just like to speak to the emotionally.

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What's the second micro center exactly um you know, the community campus has been managed by.

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uh The non-profit trusts about 4 20 plus years- and you know this is really you know, then their.

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Focus was not management of the perfect forest um so having max and our staff being able to.

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Spend more time out there and take care of these trees. It's a really nice area for people to enjoy.

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Walking in the woods- and this is you know, we're really we're happy that we're able to do this.

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um So I'm glad that max's crew is able to get out there and start paying some attention to a really.

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Nice necessity of the city and we could see the whole all the trees yeah we spent about two weeks.

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um Obviously, between other projects and focusing primarily on the road clearance. But we spend quite.

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A bit of time, cleaning up the parking lots, the roads in and out of the community campus. So it.

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Needed needed a little bit of work and continues to need something. So it was that a project.

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Can't believe it was that cinco sabras collaborative lauren had started what.

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Kind of going to chuck wood because the community so they're enlightenment.

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They get together, it's a local, smaller operating decision together around aberdeen.

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Community chemistry, I am.

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All right public library, uh so this came up as a request from uh some of the um facilities.

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Supervisors, there's a birch in a planting box that is causing some issue with uh the I guess, the so.

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It's a bench and then a big planter and sort of assuming at this point too, that there may be some.

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Damage on the um the structure, the building side too, just from this this tree as it is maturing.

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It's starting to push and keep certain aspects that we want to uh yeah. So we just like to remove.

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This tree and and uh keep it from causing any more damage, and hopefully we can get that repaired.

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Any questions asked well: um how long has that tree been there and since the bill.

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Since the library was built yeah I mean it was really a poor choice. uh Locations.

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Such a beauty and architecturally when it lights up at night, so we have a very valuable.

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What's we're smarter now I know it's been all evolving committee with arborist and.

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This was a bummer yeah, I think probably the intent was to cut it down. Probably five years.

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Ago and plant another one, uh just you know not have it tendency to grow much larger.

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So it is, I agree, it's nice. We will work to replace with something equally distracted.

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um But it's it's not a good place to be playing today.

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Could this be a possibility for one of our 100th planet or smaller the space or would.

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This be the greenery moment. I always wonder about treating greenery. I would encourage.

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You to think really on this one. Oh, I would love to thank you. I always questioning greenery, okay,.

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I was, I saw the tree and I it was troubled by our improving area.

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A number of years ago, the north church funded in three. Next to it, we moved and we were rather.

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Reluctant to do that and they said well, I was causing problems. He weren't convinced that it was.

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And um I I just don't want to be a president that it's a tree and planter downtown some places old.

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Too big for that location, I I'm probably not being very rational and being concerned.

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About taking down a very healthy tree and a very visible location,.

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That's emotionally recommendary books, I hope to recommend called second.

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um So you need to schedule I'll come round trip here.

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Super reluctantly and I like to just bring this like forward outside of.

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Learning about as long as we learn from this book that I would support this. Yes.

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um Okay behind 280 south street and it's necessary.

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Good morning um I do live on broad street. However, I'm here as co-chair of the cemetery committee.

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um And I brought a brief uh presentation: this is hall. Cemetery is located on your.

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Map that I gave you where the dark part is built in um is the actual cemetery.

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um And it that right away is 16 feet wide max, and I measured in.

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um So it's not very wide, but it's there 16 feet wide. um We are requesting that we can.

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Have a well, I should show you more interesting, so that's the actual cemetery in part of it.

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It should just click over yeah. Well, I think that's the case there you go, but I'm not sure I meant.

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Hold on, let me um make sure I'm sharing so that people see online.

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I can peter yes, thank you. um I think the last one was 1820 and it's 17. 35 for the first one.

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um It is a colonial cemetery. um I did bring a copy, I'm not a copy. It's the actual map.

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um You can locate the cemetery um on a map as far back as 1850.. It's clearly marked. I did find.

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Another map from 1813, but um to blow it up to just get that section to show that the cemetery.

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Was acknowledged even back, then you've been able to see it anyway, but if anybody's curious.

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It is marked in this 1850 map um in this cemetery. There are three revolutionary soldiers. There are.

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Four dar women, which means their husbands, fought in the war. um There are three or four captains.

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That were on privateers that um worked during the revolutionary war, um and there were there.

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Were some of those privateers for captains? um Not the captains, but like peter shore, probably served.

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On the ship raleigh, which is on our state flag, so there's a lot of history sitting up in here.

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um It shouldn't be ignored, so the cemetery plus there's an rsa at the state that says.

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All cemeteries, um even if it's on private property, in this case it's not, but we do have a right away.

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But it the city is responsible for the community is responsible for keeping the access to these.

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Cemeteries, clear so family members can come down in here or whoever, but mostly family members.

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It's a city cemetery. It started out as the hall family, but over the years it the city.

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Has maintained it and I have a copy of the tax record from the city where it says that.

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Portsmith owns the cemetery okay, so at some point originally it was a family cemetery who belonged.

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To one of these properties, I assume it it doesn't belong to even on this great house. Right here is.

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That just how's globe- oh I mean originally oh well, yeah. It's somebody! Okay, yeah, all right.

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Private cemetery on not affected by the city or anywhere else, then only the people.

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That are related to those folks would have rights to access that type of cemetery. Okay,.

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Bloodline, you know in an act of cemetery if the city took and adopted it bought.

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It, whatever orbits out of a non-profit group, that's publicly accessible sentence.

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Okay, thank you. So there's a couple of different irish states that get on that.

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um So this is um this is who made me on the right hand, side and.

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Yeah sorry, my uh my slide when they go by when I took the pictures so perfect. This is the this.

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Is the cemetery what it looks like now, so in another view, this is right. Next, in the middle.

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Of the right away that goes to the cemetery, um I don't what kind of trees did you say? Yes,.

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So that goes down quite a ways it, and this is a street view, and I think the next one shows the.

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View from the back side now that's there, so that is from coming from the cemetery out. That's part.

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Of the brambles that are blocking you really can't get down in there, you have to hike and go over and.

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Under and all those sorts of things- and there is also a big bramble patch right in the middle of.

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The cemetery and we are asking to have if we can go back to a cemetery picture at some of the trees.

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Cut down in the cemetery because, like that one right, there is dead, but most of them are over four.

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Inches, um even if they come down they're gonna break, you know the headstones even worse. I do have.

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A picture that was on the tax map, that's, and it doesn't say um how old the picture is, but it shows.

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This view- and there are absolutely no headstones that were broken- I'm willing to bet it was taken.

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Back in 1970s or even the 80s, so I mean we've gone to a lot of damage in the last 50 years. So that's.

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What we're requesting that we have permission to clear this right away and clear the trees, not all.

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Of them, just the ones that might are either up against a headstone or well, basically, that.

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Would be something that would take it down, so they cause damage to the headstones eventually so from.

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The roots and then also you know, possibility of something falling and breaking another headstrong.

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um Usually, we're asked to approve or not approve, trees that are marked.

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So this is like a blanket approval. I think the numbers are mixed. A little bit of a mix-up.

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That I actually, when I got the report, I actually max security, and I think that the idea was that.

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um I wasn't, I wasn't asking for specific removals, but it was a. It doesn't appear this way on the.

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Agenda but it's a this is an informational thing and then the relevant trees that would have to be.

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Removed would be tagged right, correct, yes, yeah not well, there are a lot of trees that will come down.

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But there are also trees that go along the path that belong to the property on the left-hand side,.

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So those trees wouldn't be coming down, so it's not going to be a clear cut all the way through as far.

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As all the trees that you can see there, but there are a lot probably about 25. trees that need to.

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Come down so we can come back the next meeting on a subsequent meeting and that max would integrates.

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Well, it's it's not! It's not necessarily a vote at this point or any particular trees. This was.

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Just to get this initiative into our spotlight and discussing the potential for this project.

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To go through and not again not voting on any one particular tree because uh mysterious going.

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To be contracting out with a lot of this work so before she can make any commitments to them.

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It would make sense to bring this to the committee, see where we're at and.

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See whether or not it'd be something we should move forward with, after which, taking away all.

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The four inch or less trees, then we would have something to post and bring it to you.

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Would this be one of those situations, perhaps that we would do a site as a committee, a topic or.

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It just seems a little more complicated yeah. It's narrow between two homes that do.

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um I I did uh this is took me uh back into. I would knock down her door because I didn't.

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Really know I didn't want to go looking around and it was uh it was. The easement was thought. I.

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Didn't have the staff, so everyone could tell what was going on um and it seems a little complicated.

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That I it would be nice to do it as a group for us yeah. I've already walked it myself and um you.

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Know there are brambles and there's definitely clearing that with somebody getting user friendly.

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But I'm not comfortable giving any kind of little work to a project. I don't even really understand.

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Well, that's that's, I think that's that was some mix-up originally was on the list and then.

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um um Next clarified that no, this is informational, but I, when I put.

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The final agenda together, it really didn't, come across very clearly um so, but anyway.

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We're here for a public hearings.

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I'm a property owner at 280 south street. um First of all, I agree totally with a site block on this.

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Property, um I'd like to give you some history on how many times the trees and greenery people and.

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The um this year, two people have been out to adjust the treaties on that property.

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When we first moved there, we cut down all the trees on both sides. We had no trees in our yard.

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um The trees that are there are old um and right away. I don't know if you could turn on the map.

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But it's probably 16 feet yeah at the cemetery, but as it comes up past the garage it goes out.

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So um there's an old, I believe it's a maple there that um we have been um trying to keep.

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Healthy for a number of years, the trees people have been out twice to trim that.

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uh It's a very old tree and um I would hate to see anything happen to that. Also.

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um The second time we had um the people come out. They had just got their bucket uh colin.

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Was all excited about going over the uh our garage? They turned stuff back there.

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um But the request was for uh an older elm in the back and um they didn't want trim. um Basically, he.

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Told me that um there are very few elms left. This was a healthy tree and um they just did what they.

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Could from the ground? Because there was no, there was no access back there to to get into that.

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um Bottom line here um I would be more than happy to have a path trim to the cemetery, but if this is.

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About clear cutting, I am totally against that there's a lot of healthy trees in there that.

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um There's no reason to to take them down. um The other thing I might offer forward is.

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um There is a line of trees that have grown up along the stonewall in the back there's a.

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Stone wall that surrounds the uh the cemetery and these trees are inside of the cemetery.

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um I don't know how you would get equipment back in there, but on the other side, the people off of.

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Bracket have basically clear-cut everything from bracket up the hill to the cemetery, and there is.

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Access in there, um the people um on both sides of that access have had um real heavy equipment.

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Come in and actually turn the trees there and um if you ask permission, I'm sure they.

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Would allow you to get your big equipment in there, so you could get those trees out of there.

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But um as far as taking out and clear cutting all the trees in there, I would be happy.

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um If you clean this up according to what I'm reading from the family cemetery, this has not.

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Been done since 1983 and there's the healthy trees, I I really have a hard time with that. Taking.

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Out the all living invasives and cleaning up, I'm making a nice pack to go back there.

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um Would be would be fine. um The other questions I would have um that complicate. This are when.

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The city put in the bump outs uh on south street uh at the bottom of mount vernon. There.

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um They adjusted the property lines. So when you look at the pictures that are on there like this.

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My property light comes out, there is there. Is it it's kind of complicated by where the easement.

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Actually is, and if you can see, we have a fire hydrant there and the driveway to the next door.

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Is right next door, so um a concern for myself and my neighbor is: how would people be access.

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Accessing this, and would this be maintained um as far as coming down private property, to go to this.

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um Is is a problem so um that that would be the questions that I would have that.

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I would like answered before um any any type of cutting comes down, and I I think.

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It would definitely benefit this committee to come and take a look at what is there.

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Because the the trees, especially that that um maple is um they're, very old and we've been.

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Struggling to keep it healthy and cleaned out because they did overshadow the house.

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This committee has a history of being very reluctant, but any trees down and, um uh and so.

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Shorter also 280 south street there's just a couple of things that I wanted to add because.

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I have a few concerns uh like pizza, I I think it would be great to clean the cemetery out and.

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Have some kind of a path access um some of the concerns? This is a much better shot. Actually, a.

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Point that I think we made that I wanted to clarify it's really hard to see whether even.

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Begins because it's sort of deceptive, but it actually the driveway for 272 the houses.

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Across there, that driveway is in the easement the easement lines back a little differently than what.

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um Some of those shots are showing, it looks like it goes right down the green path, but.

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That's not actually the case. It actually is in that derive way and goes into different angle.

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Listen so when you're looking at it or they should go out and do the sidewalk together.

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Maybe a little more reference um and when she was first speaking about the trees in.

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The back of ours, I think you use the term cut, but we had trimmed. We didn't actually remove.

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Any trees from our yard, it was trimming all this stuff that other grows into our yard. In the back.

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um The concerns, along with what uh petra said that I have also because it had been like four or five.

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Decades that anything has been done back there, the trees and the growth are actually providing.

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um Habitat there's all kinds of animals back there that use that I mean I've seen.

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New england, cottontails possum raccoons there's all kinds of animals back there so.

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The fact that it hasn't been done for so long has allowed that to go into you, know kind of a.

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Refuge for habitat and that also there is a lot of um wet area back there and all the trees and.

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All of that brush and that I think help absorb some of that from the different houses. There's.

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A lot of drainage down the back, I think right behind 270 the the bigger houses you get down.

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The walking path that goes to the school, that's a big, wet wetland area. um So I don't know how much.

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That would affect that, but that would be something that would concern me as far as the amount reviews.

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That are removed, so those are those are some of the things that concern me. So I agree. I think it.

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Would be great if you guys did this sidewalk and kind of kept some of those things in mind.

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But then, and I would like to learn those how part of this committee, um but the plan for what's being.

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Done with the cemetery, is this a one-time project that, since it hasn't been maintained for so long.

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um Is this going to be going to clear it out and then nothing happens again.

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No, the mission of the cemetery committee is to bring all eight historic cemeteries up to.

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um Good standards, there are a lot of crumbling buildings, we're going to fix, headstones straighten.

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Them things like that, so when we're done with all of them that it will be easy for the city.

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To maintain all eight cemeteries, because they've gotten out of control so they'll be able to keep.

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Up with repair, no, we the goal is to bring it up to standards so that it's easy for the city.

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To maintain forward okay, so there is a plan for it to be maintained. To then keep the yeah.

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Absolutely okay! That's great! I want to answer the with a 16 foot, um I guess of 16. um I don't.

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Know it's a strip, I don't know the city owns it or whether it's right away, but whatever it is.

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um Where is it on that, if you peter, if you could perform a bit, you can, if you walk down the street.

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Just on a bed, you can see a better angle of it. Sorry, the other way, the other way yeah.

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That can also pull up the uh the tax map tunnel down through there yeah.

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Yeah it's hard to find and because of the way the driveways come out, you really can't.

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Tell but it is really kind of a shot I mean straight down through there. It actually right.

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Away uh strip plant includes that it goes over, that driveway yeah. No, it's the house next door.

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Is 280. where's 280 and our driveway is completely on okay, it's the other driveway.

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But I'd suggest uh boots yeah. Well, it's very nice back there.

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That brambles or what is that shown as a right-of-way or the road right away peter? I was.

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Thinking you know the checks map whether it was a right-of-way or it's an eastman. It's a cities.

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Yep, it doesn't show up, he doesn't show up on the other people yeah right away, don't show up on the.

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Tax manner, so um maybe we can see that one I swear to bob sullivan about it. Of course, it's.

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It's belongs to the city, it's a strip actually onto private city yeah. If you click on um yeah.

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um And, as I just said, foreign.

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um If I could just add the intention, never I guess we came across one when the intention was never.

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To cut down every single trip there are, there are clusters of trees that grow together down.

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There but anything but the old retreating that you're talking about there's another one down.

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Back there's another one that max and I went got no, I mean that's, not the intention. The.

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Intention is to get rid of the trees that are definitely blocking the right in that 16 foot.

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Right away to get those out of the way and talk about those trees are in that section, but.

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They don't need to be cut down so that people can get down and also uh when we looked at it.

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It is it, it looks like it's the whole thing, but it's not the very.

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Narrow selection or section- and there are still a lot of trees, growing down right.

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Next to it, so it's not going to be like all of a sudden. It's going to be this big wide, open.

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You know space that, where trees used to you know slide shade and things like that.

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That's not the intention, it's just to make it a safe and clear pathway down into the cemetery.

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So just to reassure everybody yeah so so the intention is to clear the path.

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S residents or anyone- that's not to get back there. No, I thought you should use the verbiage.

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Open the path as a book's computer, because that suggests a 16 foot, just complete clear cuttings.

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Are smaller than what is going to be brought into the committee? So for what it's worth? It's.

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It's the brush is smaller sampling, trees and then a lot of those maples in there are norway.

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Maples, which are very undesirable trees. um Obviously it is a tree for what it's worth.

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But these ones are growing through fences at your property, so those are things that.

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Didn't need to be advanced as well, because they are multi-stem, they added relatively weak.

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If they were split now you could split in future, so it shifts an argument of.

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And it's also not that includes trees inside the cemetery. There's probably 10 inside the cemetery.

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Yeah three or four, which are dead so yeah, that you know that estimate of 20 trees sounds like a.

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Lot but those trees that are in the cemetery they come at brunch of this committee again.

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What I'm requesting is that the city come in or how are they going to do it in survey, so.

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That we actually know where the 16 foot right away is and then and then go down.

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Through, as matt said and mark the trees that we would like to come out for whatever reason.

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The concern is trying to get equipment down in there because there is no way to get all the.

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Equipment that they need and all the bucket trucks and everything back down in a 16 foot.

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But didn't he say, the intent, though, was not to declare that very clear. It was just to open it.

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Up they stated, though, that that's fine, but even coming in from the front, to trim those junk trees.

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Is going to be hard if the city is not doing this contractors are doing this work? That's a bigger.

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Concern many bucket trucks, the size of this table, so they're trapped, [, __, ] trucks that they could.

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Seek in the back, you know little areas, so they've got 100 foot bucket truck, so we'll go through a.

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4.1 feet and then they set up a very large legs, so you can get up in the air, so you can sneak.

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You can make a six foot path and get a bucket truck all the way to the cemetery then set up.

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In the cemetery to do that, work so there's ways to use off-road equipment in areas like this. Oh, yes,.

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The a lot of this stuff is you just want to do by hand. No, the lower stuff was my impression as well.

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But you know I'm just imagining a scenario where we didn't indent this to the trees.

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Ingredient committee and sue and the historic, the portsmouth historic cemetery committee, brought in.

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These contractors, what kind of reaction would that have garnered from the public? So we're really just.

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Presenting this to you all to get ideas watch out this project to see how feasible it is. It's not.

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Where we didn't post anything because there's nothing to remove at this point, we're here to.

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Just present, this idea that she brought to me um and meeting on the ground sounds like.

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A perfect idea, so everybody's on the same page there's a little confusion after that. Hopefully.

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um Yeah, it was just to present this idea. um I think I think we would all benefit from having.

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Some work done through there, and especially the the cemetery. I think it's important to.

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Highlight uh the historical uh uh fortunes of our city that make it really important so.

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If we did this walk through, could you identify the training suspension come out here yeah? I think.

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It's going to depend on oh yeah, of course, uh but I think it's also going to depend on again. Maybe.

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We're brainstorming this now, but the scope of this project overall, so we'll be putting in our path.

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Is it just going to be cleared out and that comes down to the budget of the committee? It comes down.

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To resources them so just to clarify the committee doesn't have a budget. The city has a budget for.

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Maintenance of historic cemeteries. There is a right question to allocate some of those.

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Resources towards this project, it's an appropriate use of monies associated with storm cemeteries.

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um The first thing that we need to do is establish a boundary survey so that we clearly identify what.

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Trees are ours and what trees are others. So we'll do that first, I would suggest, but while.

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We do a site walk so that may take given the time of year. Given you know, fortunately, there's no snow.

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Coverage really right now um you know surveys can get out there available easily. um So I would hope.

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That we get identify somebody to get that done in the next month, uh but I would say you know that's.

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The first quarter business um is to get that, and then you know, prior to our our media, our site.

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Work, you know matt's uh we go through and identify with sue some of the trees that they um suggested.

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Be taken down so I would say you know this isn't going to be immediate. We need to get survey done.

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First and then we'll we'll mark the trees and then set up a meeting. I would assume it would probably.

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Be uh march sometime, so that's fine. That seems very sensible, yeah right again, we serves everybody.

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Okay again, it's just max and I we're just getting this going. So thank you for this information.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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What there's an awkward uh dynamic between committees.

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And budget, because committees do not have money, we probably had to wait till the survey is done and uh probably set it up set the meeting.

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Said the site at our my team, and um I point out that I thanks to the.

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um I went online to look at information about the course of 400, but I also looked.

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On other cemeteries, so what the cemetery to me- and you know, rebuilding these books and.

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um Painting the stones- and I I was unaware of much of that and.

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um I, when I see something like that, I've ever seen, it's really neat that people care about and take.

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The time volunteers and doing these things a lot of hard work and dedication, and you see this, mr.

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Chairman, you see the neglect and unintentionally occurred, because there wasn't that.

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So we were very fortunate to have a committee who's doing a great job.

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uh Gently, you know getting the hand on our back yeah to make sure we're moving forward.

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It's been great to work with, and we're really fortunate to have the committee.

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um Moves forward so and we don't as a community, we don't or even personally we don't. We want what the.

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Community wants we're just bringing it forward so that can help make it happen. Yeah. I really.

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Appreciate it very much appreciate it. Thank you yes, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

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Well, um I think you've delayed it as long as you can, because I'll be waiting.

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um uh We have nine 10 skills.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, okay, landscape architects and uh fungus. One of laura's last projects was a saint patrick's school.

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Parking lot and yeah, which then something came in from april to november, but anyway,.

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um It's owned by sylvia and peter smith. uh They plan to.

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um Remove and replace their existing home and as part of that, to provide a garage underneath the.

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Structure right now, there is a um shed slash garage structure in the backyard that is not.

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Accessible but not a driveway, so if you're familiar with the neighborhood, you know the.

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Parking is at a premium, so they felt that as part of the renovation or replacement of this.

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Structure that they would put a garage underneath, so we have a the plan we have in front of you is.

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The existing condition plan more or less in terms of a couple trees missing. Can I talk about those.

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um And it shows the approximate location where we're thinking of this driveway coming off the.

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Rockland street stub and going down underneath the building uh there are two trees there. One.

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Of which is the city tree? It's important, it's a brand new degree. I don't think.

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um uh I believe it's a sweet gum and then the other tree is an apple. That's on the.

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On the property, which is when I was there um photographing it, it was full of apples, but.

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It's it is where we can put this driveway, so I thought would be that [music] um because it's.

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Where the driveway is the city, tree has got to be either be moved or replaced, um and I think max.

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Felt that yeah, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but he felt he could transplant it yeah. So.

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We think we can just transplant this and move it to just maybe the park that's right down there. So.

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um And, according to what is suggested here, we'll be planting, we're two twos weekend will be planted.

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Yeah, uh in the same one or in roughly the same right-of-way location uh uh where this speaker.

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Currently, is um I just peter, I just emailed you a picture and don't go straight. I don't know.

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um The um existing new film is was right, the right of those steps right.

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There and it's literally two inches in california, maybe two and a half yeah.

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um So it should pop right up equally and then multiple replacing kind of, but we'll.

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Need to to replace the up one to replace that so um and that's the that's. The total eating.

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Next tuesday, to discuss the driveway and then we need to go to zoning for some other variants.

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It's out there yet.

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Ideally, for this for max: instead, it's obviously yeah so could we still do that, and this is going.

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Through the assault field, should we still do that because appropriate process? I don't.

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Understand the rest of the politically I'm doing the software, so so, if you make it through chat.

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That's optimistic right um and then then we would, we would know zonings. Yes, the driveway.

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The driveway driving distance, the second driveway- I you were talking to the wrong.

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Person on that one we met with nick nick advised that, in order to be ready for the.

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Experience that together ducks and grow either be the driveway and uh barbariance being requested.

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Theorem to create this driveway all right, I I just need some document that this even.

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Requires that are interested, no, no, the drive wouldn't require variance. Many other.

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Things, but the driver is one of the things that got it. I'm sorry.

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I said what are you doing here.

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But and if it's a driveway driveways.

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In terms of they want to seek variance relief, and I think they're, trying to.

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Create a situation where board of adjustment could see yeah. This is going to be better.

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This be good. I don't see any reason why the tree couldn't be moved, but I would give you.

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A innocent of that, because if you get solved because they moved the tree into july, exactly.

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Ideally do it before I mean fingers crossed, we have time to do it before our.

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It can be moved.

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Trees there already those don't show.

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On the survey connected to uh two trees out front right, yeah.

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There's still more to come down.

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It solves us with europe, but it's almost a tree yeah. So as far as videos.

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And that includes. uh Is it appropriate to also um just approve that the plantings that that will be.

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The two trees that will be replanted here are sweet home, so I know that to save you, maybe a.

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Trip back because there is a condition to be met for planting in the right way. That.

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Species reviewed by the excuse me by the trees and greenery committee. um Is it appropriate.

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Like a pack of fields yeah, I just want to send you a trip back down to the community.

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As all landscaping it's on after, let's start I mean like what we see here.

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I think we're kind of running into that with proposed planting sites, where you know maybe.

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In a year or two, so I've been working with david focus about their what their projects.

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For the next few years, and if there's even a hint of something occurring, I'm like well.

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I'm not going to paint these streets here because, just like the those two uh those.

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Two ginkgo that we had a hearing about so well. Let's just avoid that completely.

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Do our homework and them when they're, when they're done messing with that area for a while.

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Okay, um tree planning for the city score 100. and yep raised a question about information on.

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That can you talk to stephanie secret and through appointed correctional city website, which actually.

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Is just my email address today at this point? Let's wait yeah, I was just wondering a couple. Things is.

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uh I dipped my toe into the that project and everyone. Lots of people in the city are very.

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Excited about this, they just want to know how to yeah it's a tree. What kind of tree they want to.

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Think about their space so because people are stuck inside, they want to think about it. Now.

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um So it's all great- um and uh this is terrific stephanie brought it all together all the words.

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That you guys have been laying out so it's great. um It is problematic, though, on the.

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Enforcements400.Org site, you have to go into news to see where should be thrown into uh signing up.

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For this program, it's a little cryptic, so I I think we have somebody that's working with.

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Me peter from the 400th and yeah yeah. No, not valerie was another webinarian. First, yes, it's.

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Been just uh connected just with us, it would be nice if they had a little bit more of a.

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Page that comes up at the 400th direction to the city site. Do we? I don't know if we.

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Have any control over what goes on the 400. 400th anniversary page? So that sounds no.

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Because people.

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They have said, go to their site and then you do go to their site and you can't.

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Really find the information that you want, so it should be easy to burn them down too.

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And for us, so jillian richmond is the 400 liaison. No, she is a student.

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Well, maybe I don't believe that's correct she's she's, a student activist, that's working with her.

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Sustainability committee at the high school and has reached out to do a day of action.

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um I did not think that was a 400 um committee liaison uh it's more of a student activist.

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Liaison, oh, okay, that's my understanding as well. Stephanie says she's working with tara and what's.

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Not to keep the communication channels connected to be talking, she's she's, a really nice young kid.

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She says a junior in high school right, god of a friend of mine. Just you know super kid. So it's.

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Exciting to see that you know the high school kids interested in doing stuff, high school young adults.

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Yeah right yeah, that's great! I think it's just yeah. It's done a great job. It's just been amazing.

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um Surprisingly, though, um many people do not go to the city website, um I I know it's crazy, but.

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It it happens all over this time. um Peter has agreed if uh you know to a draft up a letter to.

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The editor from the trees committee sort of bringing forth the information that we just.

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Were presented from stuff, I need to kind of make it all concise. You might do a little historical.

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Walk, I don't know what he's going to do based on jake adams, based on dick's, historical, uh draw bomb.

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So we can just kind of get in front of more messaging.

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Sure- and I would encourage everybody to that- that's the city manager's office before that gets.

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Put out absolutely, um you just need to make sure we're all inconsistent yeah. That's why I.

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Did want to ask about because you know people into the world city club, for this talk and.

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Came up to me and then I was sort of blindsided as being a tree and greenery green ambassador. I was.

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Feeling a lot of loop, so I thought we all went on the internet and I think it's also. You know.

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That we, as on our committee, we should encourage five or six people that will know to grab a tree.

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But I am interested is one should get into the wood city site you sign up on their email. Everyone.

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Wants to know what happens next sure and I'd like to just clarify this seems to be a continuing bit.

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Of confusion, our relative to resident activity associated with this residents would be given.

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The tree to plant themselves, a city would not be going under their properties, planting the trees.

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uh Read it as being a treatise going to be planted.

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And that there's no participation from their side of the inside okay.

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But maybe maybe spreading spreading. The two of those apart could help answer them. Real, quick.

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It's the way that I have been best achievements. You know, and I said that and and claire you know.

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Tony is is right um that uh the cities had to get another water tank to be able to accommodate this.

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Project and um how great is that you know, is that true peter, that is true. We're gearing up.

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It's just going to be a significant undertaking. It's going to strike our resources, it's going.

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To take away from other initiatives that max uh crew are going to be working on, but this.

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Is something that you know we're committed to and we're moving forward with, so an a rotary.

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Is donated graciously some money towards that, so it helps offset costs associated with goodness. So.

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Okay, that's good! That's what I understood. I just want to make sure I'm telling people that yeah.

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I think I have like 196.50, yes, it's coming up. Would there be.

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Any way that we could even share is that is that too hard yeah.

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Yeah, so, historically right, so uh I think what we're what what I'm going to try to do is get.

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That information to maybe the secretaries at dbw, to send out letters so that those homeowners whose.

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Right-Of-Way is right there in the front, so they would be able to say no or whatever. The case is.

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That I would have to adjust and find additional spots. What happened in years past, when this has.

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Happened either people don't respond to the letter and we take that as yes. But yes and we the day of.

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Planting arrives and we go and plant the tree and the homeowner comes out and says I don't.

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Want this tree um so it yeah! So it's a little bit of a little bit of an issue that we're trying to.

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Grapple with a little, um so that's currently what I think what the pipeline looks like at this point.

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In time once I have that list blocked in I'll be happy to share it anytime, any specifically.

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um Honestly yeah, we I initially tried that uh so a lot of replantings in over at bohenko park.

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um A lot of those have either failed so that market market street greenway gateway uh so.

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There's we probably we have quite a few trees going back into that area um and yeah really.

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We're kind of all over the place to be completely honest with you, so no one particular name of it is.

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Getting an incredible amount of trees, but at least I think peter, and I we talked some time ago about.

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Targeting some uh our portsmouth authority, housing neighborhoods, was that I I was in the impression.

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That would be that was going to be through the initiative at the urban forestry center. Is that.

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So we, you know.

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We need to be careful about where we're planting trees uh to ensure that we're planting our you.

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Know, city property. There are a number of housing authority properties that are city properties, that.

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They just have front of your leases associated with them, so lafayette schools, one- is the harness.

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The cottage is another, so there are opportunities to do that. um You know max, you know, and I will.

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Reach out to um to mark lentz who's, their facilities, manager uh for pha, okay, um you.

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Know we had one of the things that we wanted to make sure we did our reach on was you know having.

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Folks, at places like a place like awesome meadows uh being able to adopt trees as well and that's.

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But the intent of that was that they would come get the tree and plant it. That would associate.

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Their group would do that not in our room on that. So all right, um and that leads me to think about.

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Some I have some friends who live in uh apartments then they might like to underwrite a tree. Do we.

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Know what kind are these trees? How much are they to citizens? What's where are we with that right.

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Keep it separate from all those the goal is to you know, get the trees to my place and.

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Get them out as fast as we can, because the longer they hang around you know, trees, walk.

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Off trees have issued, you know, critters, you know all these kind of things we're not set.

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Up as an interest, okay, so we're going to send this whole thing up like a yard, sale and try.

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To move everybody out, uh we don't have a date yet we're keeping those dates. You know almost.

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Out of here, just because everything's based on the shipping, uh so when they start digging.

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They start chipping, definitely all done more and we'll tighten. You know that kind of stuff.

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Down, hopefully, we'll have at least a couple week window, but a spring happens real fast.

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um It's spring havoc trail pass, and you know spring happens during tax process as well, and.

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You would like that so on board that whenever you leave that time right, you know, trucks go in.

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The garage, so you know next time we're going to the trucks cut in okay. Sometimes they show up a.

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Little life at four o'clock like ten at night because the guy's been driving for you know 3.

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000 plus miles you want us to come at 10 at night. Who knows.

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It will be realistic, but you know we're gonna put the call out: hey the guys, are 24 hours out yeah.

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Whatever yeah uh or you know, they call you when they're in new york- and you know whenever they.

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Show off it's getting unloaded, okay, so my staff is already well aware of the business as well.

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But one person it's gonna, take a long time. People goes fast, yeah, um we'll put all these trees out.

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And lay them out in our place, but that timing backs us up that you know trucks coming wednesday.

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Thursday, within two saturdays from then will be our you know, we'll be our time we're going to get.

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Things have we been able to identify, uh I know the species, I know that we have another species.

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So we've got about 10 species on that list of the reserving totally responsible, but until they.

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Show up until they get back out of the ground. Well, he was hurt until we know what we have, but.

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Somewhere else, but it's based on them going out in the fields of the fall looking around being.

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Like okay, is that going to be big enough? It's gonna have deer damage, he's gonna. Have you know.

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Whatever damage they have they're, just given a good answer, okay, so the species will be basically.

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Identified when they show us and then will- um and you guys will work with the citizens to say it's.

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Funny, yes, big little shady, you will guide them as people start, because I know some people are.

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Looking around the yards, they only have so much space and they're trying to figure out.

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They might have trees in the whole social spectrum, yeah.

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So since we've got redwoods in there, we put some white oaks in there.

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Yeah, look at your list here we go so I know you know we try to hit the whole gamut. You.

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Know whatever you're looking for um and you know we put in for one version of don redwood.

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You may get you know, 200 of our differences, we're going to work with what's available.

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And I think what to that end once we know once we have that 24-hour notice, once we have that weak.

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Window we'll organize and get stephanie on board, because that email, when people sign up they're.

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Signing up to be notified when this will occur and she'll do her press release and she'll get.

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That out to everyone who's registered to to plant a tree, so that will all sort of kick into motion.

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And hopefully get that out to as many people as possible, who were initially interested and that'll.

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Be closer to the event: is there any? I think that some um some people have been having you know. They.

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Put their email in and it just they don't know what to do and they're just it could there'd be.

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A little follow-up to that email saying this is the current plan. What happens when you send it.

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Just dump it in the city site, nothing happens.

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You know just that: hey we got you yeah. These are the targeted.

B

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Perfect, that's all yeah! That's wonderful! That's a great learning experience! It.

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Certainly is hard to finish with a great time to it, because we don't want any displays. Yes,.

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Yes, um something is not going to be available to just have our own.

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Nursery is sold out of almost everything they have. I'm trying to get seedlings.

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For our projects- and I was being told no- that uh you know that's- 500, 000, siblings,.

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um So we're tied up with that, so I wanted to go on and just talk about. um I know that a.

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Third of day is some initiatives are happening in our dpw's um jumping in on earth day day.

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That you guys have- and I just maybe we'll talk next month about that when you want to be sure.

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That'd be great. The trees in greenery committee would like to go to that uh kind of a symposium.

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That's being held at the connie bean center, maybe we lived in arborist. Maybe I don't know.

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Be something to highlight it's on the 20th, the 21st yeah, yeah and they're doing a collaborative.

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With a lot the library they're partnering with the library, this is the portsmouth climate action.

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Group sustainability group right yeah, so that's not dpw. Okay, that's not ppw. However, some I've been.

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Source that that's wrong. Well, I know brian guess is planning on having some involvement relative.

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To water resources, um so that's typically, you know over that. You know sometimes master group.

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um Treaties uh we do stuff like that.

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um We are understanding and driven by a lot of things right now, and I.

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Would not I'm not committed to anything okay, I guess we would love to do these.

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Things but we're scratched it yeah. I do not want to commit to anything.

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Having a space would that be appropriate.

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Trees, the committee can decide what they would like to do on that. I have no issue with that.

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I, if you're looking for us to sap it, no, you can say a solid. No, the computer will go. I can't talk.

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Yeah, okay! Well, it has something: that's come across my unjust people asking if we might uh to be.

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Involved and at least share what goes on because I'm so enthusiastic to share it's.

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With people- uh and the last thing is that I just had queries about was about arbor days.

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Because we're doing the 200 of this rba going to be a little on a lowdown, I mean.

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They're really wondering I believe we have to assume just you do have to have a proclamation.

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um Aside from that sort of ceremony, I I currently don't have anything planned.

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Other than the 200 trees we're planting in the equivalent, so uh yeah so certainly.

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In proclamation aside from that, uh nothing else currently in the works, but I always open to ideas.

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That's it for me, um any old business has the contract been awarded for the side box. Yes,.

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Yes, probably april, I mean yeah.

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So that's moving forward as well.

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um So yeah because that's impossible any other old and new business. Yes on the attendance list.

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um I I sent a draft of it around so last year we had some questions about it and the list didn't.

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End, I think joanna's, I'm assuming still with us, but joanna's name wasn't on there and.

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um And I realized that um city address should be on listed on the committee.

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um And I I looked at the the um audience.

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um There is a treason, community show system, 10 voting members, including the following: a.

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City council city manager, on a designated the tree, one are just made public works, foreign.

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uh City managers, but anyway max should be on list here um and uh so I'm going to add.

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Him and then joanna will be added and um so far um deb and michael had perfect attendance. um So.

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um The zooming count uh yeah, I'm saying nobody was unexcused, so I'm inclined to say everybody at birth to.

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Tennis, so they don't mean to slight michael and deb. I really really perfect attendance, but.

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um A pluses for them yeah yeah, so oh and the other thing, um the governance committee.

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Governor meeting at 10 10 a.m, here on the 13th dr jennings monday, and um um and they.

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But they're interested in redstone community. So I understand if anybody else it's um monday, the 13th.

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At 10 a.m, from a to discuss potential strategic planning around open spaces, slash parks within.

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The city community has been several spent, the last several months discussing the concept of.

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A car experience to gathering information from city staff: this is going to be host members of.

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Several other committees, with direct experience and handling different aspects of products for.

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The city, because next monday, yes, the day after the super bowl, yes, are you planning a ranger.

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I didn't realize you're such a radical experience.

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The information relative to that the veterans committee has been investigating or exploring the.

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Creation of a dfl committee, uh which I discourage, uh I felt that it was already adequate coverage.

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From seeing greenery from the recreation board um that open spaces has a voice, it's just a matter of.

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Working on focusing it um so that it's clear that the dissipation from the various committees.

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Stands their charges um you know having sometimes having additional. Maybe a student does not.

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How clarified things you make it more challenging? This is the backstory that.

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Was part of the discussion? Okay? So we take your voters.

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Well, it just becomes challenging when there's a lot of overlapping jurisdictions. You know and.

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Then it becomes cgp food, everybody. You know. Even this becomes very challenging from an operational.

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Standpoint, um so that's why that's why they try to focus so you know public process is.

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Very important making sure that you know people advocate for open spaces very important, um so.

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I do have a bit of new business as well. uh Behind me is aaron gilman he's the.

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New arborist technician for for dpw here um started on monday, so I know he we met. uh We.

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All met outside this morning when we were locked out, but I just wanted to uh address.

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For three years, um I graduated from the university of vermont.

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With the ambassador's degree in wildlife and fisheries biology- and I had a minor in forestry.

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um I'm also an army veteran. I just got back from deployment this past year. Thank.

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You for yourself yeah, and I bought my first house down in kensington yeah.

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Interfaces with citizens, okay, good good.

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Oh good luck. I hope you enjoy your job. Thank you.

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Get some seedlings from linden trees open? Are you aware of those who are the women's.

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Seedlings, police kensington. Yes, I do a little research. Okay, I'm actually curious.

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Of independence to sign one of the signers from pennsylvania, who was.

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An arborist collected tree species from all over the world and he gifted those to every.

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One of the scientists of the declaration of independence, thereby the first chestnut treated.

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On the market, street extension, which is the largest of its species in the country, was a.

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Gift william whipple accepted that as a kid yeah joshua bartlett chose the linden tree.

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And they were planted on his property over in kensington wow foreign.

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Beach, that's probably on par with partisan's part of new.

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Hampshire right, it's in my backyard, that's the reason I bought the house.

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Students, yes, it is.

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That also because was there a bit of a storm that.

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Happened before my attack, but that was the top thrones yeah.

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I'll make a motion: everyone is a favor. Thank you all very much.

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B

Good morning um it's 16 and.