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Regular City Council Meeting 11-04-2020
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Oh,
it
was
larry
okay.
Well,
that
was
just
that
was
terrible,
oh
the
well,
that
was,
it
was
just
a
file
list.
It
wasn't
anything
presentation,
oriented
but
yep.
If.
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D
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M
A
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I
G
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I
I
think
the
mic
is
now
on
yep,
so
with
that
good
morning,
welcome
to
the
november
4th
2020
ponte
gorda
city
council
meeting,
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
council
members
are
present,
including
john
miller,
who
is
on
zoom
good
morning
john.
Can
you
hear
us
and
also
the
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building?
N
Shall
we
pray
heavenly
father?
We
thank
you
that
we
live
in
a
country
with
free
and
open
elections.
We
pray
for
peace
and
unity
for
our
nation.
We
thank
you.
You
look
over
us.
We
pray
for
your
guidance.
We
pray
for
our
first
responders
who
keep
us
safe
on
the
home
front.
Each
and
every
day,
father
be
with
them
in
the
split
decisions.
They
must
often
make
father.
We
ask
that
you
bless
each
family
represented
here
today
and
lord.
We
think
of
the
decisions
that
that
the
council
will
make
today.
N
I
So
before
we
get
started
today,
we
have
an
item.
We
will
deviate
from
the
published
agenda
and
because
of
the
first
thing
it
says,
is
public
comment.
However,
there
are
actually
only
two
council
members
here
that
are
official
at
the
moment,
so
we
need
to
deviate
and
begin
with
the
swearing-in
of
our
new
council
members.
M
You
actually
the
first
thing
we'll
do.
Is
the
election
results?
M
It's
my
honor
to
announce
the
2020
general
election
results
for
the
city
of
pune
gorda,
the
district
seats
up
for
re-election,
we're
districts,
one
two
and
four
council
members,
jaha
cummings
district,
one
debbie
carey,
district,
2,
inland
matthews
district
4
have
all
been
reelected
without
opposition.
Congratulations!
Everyone.
G
M
R
R
I
Thank
you
david
good
morning.
It's
been
my
pleasure
to
serve
as
the
mayor
for
the
past
two
years,
and
I
thank
you
for
giving
me
that
that
opportunity,
it's
been
a
privilege
and
to
represent
us
in
the
community
and
as
is
customary
with
a
lot
of
our
communities
where
we
have
a
weak
mayor
form
of
government
in
around
florida.
I
This
position
is
rotated
every
one
to
two
years,
and
so
with
that,
I
would
like
to
make
a
nomination
for
the
mayor,
someone
who
has
served
us
with
as
the
vice
mayor
for
the
last
two
years
and
was
voted
into
office
and
I'd
like
to
nominate
lynn
matthews
for
mayor.
R
R
D
R
Thank
you
very
much.
The
gavel
will
be
passed
to
you.
The
the
meeting
is
now
in
your
hands,
and
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
with
you
presiding,
is
the
election
of
the
vice
mayor.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
confidence
you
have
given
me
to
do
this
job.
I
will
do
my
very
best
and
thank
you
nancy
for
serving
us
very
well
for
the
past
two
years
as
our
mayor,
and
certainly
we
look
forward
to
another
couple
of
great
years.
Hopefully
you'll
be
around
for
a
while,
hopefully
we'll
all
be
around
for
a
while.
D
So
the
next
order
of
business
is
that
we
need
to
make
nominations
for
the
vice
mayor
and
I
would
like
to
nominate
debbie
kerry
you're,
the
mayor.
I
don't
think
you
can
nominate.
Yes,
I
can
you
can
I
I
was.
I
asked
about
this.
I
I
I
There's
no.
I
So
if
I
may
mayor
the
city
manager
brought
to
my
attention
that
we
have
a
visitor
with
us
today
from.
Q
I
Southwest
florida,
water
management
district,
our
representative,
mr
raguso
and
we'd,
certainly
I'd
like
to
welcome
him
to
join
us
and
just
introduce
himself
and
good
morning,
and
so
I
just
thought
I'd
bring
that
to
your
attention
great
good
morning.
Good.
S
Morning,
good
morning,
dennis
ragosa
southwest
florida,
water
management,
district
government
affairs
manager.
For
the
record.
I
just
want
to
say
how
nice
it
is
to
finally
see
everyone's
faces
again
now
that
our
agency
is
opening
back
up,
and
I
kind
of
just
wanted
to
stop
by
today
to
serve
as
a
reminder
and
give
myself
as
a
quick
introduction
to
your
newly
appointed
city
manager,
mr
murray
and
just
say,
on
behalf
of
the
district,
we're
excited
to
work
with
his
staff
moving
forward.
S
And
I
know
the
district
has
had
a
great
great
relationship
with
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
with
the
new
ro
project
that
was
funded
by
us
recently.
And
we
have
a
great
partnership
with
you
guys
and
we're
just
super
excited
with
everything.
Moving
forward,
opening
up
and
being
able
to
work
with
the
new
city
manager
and
his
staff,
and
just
want
to
reiterate
how
great
it
is
to
be
back
in
person
and
be
able
to
see
everyone
again.
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D
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D
G
I
R
S
R
Mayor
we,
we
took
the
liberty
of
reworking
rearranging
the
order
of
business
today,
so
we
could
take
care
of
the
swearing-in
and
the
election
of
the
mayor,
but
we
would
like
to
when
greg
gets
back
in
return
to
the
top
of
the
agenda
for
the
public
comments.
D
H
Could
I
ask
a
question:
yes:
is
there
any
way
that
we
could
let
the
people
who
are
here
in
person
make
the
comments
first
and
then
do
the
reading
of
the
comments
we
have?
We
have
several
people
out
in
the
lobby
and
I
know
there
are
some
people
sitting
in
here.
That
would
like
to
comment.
I'm.
D
T
My
math
back
since
everybody
has
their
mask
on
good
morning.
Everybody.
My
name
is
joseph
camarano.
I
reside
at
1427
pine
island
court
with
my
wife,
mary
we've
been
residents
of
punta
gorda
for
about
18
months,
and
the
purpose
of
my
being
in
attendance
today
is
to
see
if
we
can't
resurface
the
pickle
ball
courts
at
gilchrist
park.
T
I
have
never
been
to
a
city
council
meeting,
but
with
the
reduction
of
the
courts
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
confusion
as
to
who
and
when
and
where
we
can
play.
The
entrance
and
exit
to
the
courts
during
play
is
very
confusing
and
in
many
cases
unsafe
and
I'm
hoping
we
can
resurface
the
topic
and
potentially
bring
back
the
other
eight
courts
and
if
not,
have
improved
signage
and
improved
entrances
to
and
from
the
pickle
ball
courts
to
make
it
safer
for
all
of
us
residents.
D
D
T
Yes,
I
guess
my
comment
is
really
is
the
way
the
courts
are
located.
There
were
eight
there's
four
and
there's
three
on
one
side,
there's
one
on
the
other
side
and
if
there's
no
intention
to
bring
back
the
eight
chords,
is
there
a
potential
to
separate
the
chords
and
maybe
do
the
four
corners
or
if
there
is
a
potential,
to
bring
back
more
chords,
do
three
on
one
side
and
three
on
the
other
side.
D
Okay,
we'll
address
that
at
a
later
point
in
the
meeting.
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
I
stay
or
leave?
Well,
it's
not
an
agenda
item,
so
it's
not
something
we
can
talk
about
until
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
when
we
have
our
council
member
comments
at
this
point.
O
Partner
in
crime
good
morning,
my
name
is
mark
sorosko,
I'm
a
resident
of
the
creekside
development
in
the
county,
quick
question
for
you
and
it's
really
based
on
general
knowledge.
We
understood
there
was
a
hearing
today
on
a
rate
increase
for
the
water
district
that
are
essentially,
our
water
rates
would
go
up.
Our
question
is,
and
it
may
be,
a
question
my
neighbor
was
going
to
ask
as
well.
We
have
brown
water
now
we're
changing
our
water
filters
for
the
house
every
month.
It
turns
brown.
O
V
V
V
F
Certainly
again,
the
ro
system,
of
course,
has
been
online
for
several
months
now
and
we're
blending
the
water
with
the
water
from
the
previous
facility
that
blended
water
goes
into
the
system
and
is
transmitted
to
all
users
of
our
water
distribution
system.
So
the
water
that's
being
generated
from
our
combined
facilities
goes
to
the
distribution
system
and
anyone.
That's
our
customer
gets
the
benefit
of
the
lower
hardness
that
we're
seeing
and
obviously
the
total
dissolved
solids.
That's
much
lower
than
it
was
before.
The
ro
system
was
put
online
as
far
as
brown
water
concerns.
D
U
First,
let
me
lay
a
little
groundwork
and
say
that
gilchrist
in
the
evening
is
really
the
only
place
for
a
casual
pickleball
player
to
play.
Now,
if
you
work
at
publix
and
have
a
family
and
one
play
pickleball
at
6
p.m,
your
options
are
pay
200
to
go
to
pikaplex,
which,
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
people
can't
do.
You
can
play
at
pickleplex
until
five,
but
after
dark
you
have
to
pay
200
to
pay
play
at
pickleplex
or
the
other
courts
around
here
south
county,
which
many
many
nights
has
leaks.
U
So,
but
now
we've
got
a
situation
where
earlier
in
the
year
the
lights
were
working,
just
fine
at
gilchrist,
now
they're,
not
working
and
unfortunately
you
know
the
times.
Have
the
clock.
We've
changed
our
clock
so
at
five
o'clock,
or
shortly
thereafter,
it's
too
dark
to
play
pickleball
unless
you
have
lights
on
10
24.
U
A
letter
with
stan
actually
was
sent
to
mr
murray
about
the
lights,
and
the
response
was
quote:
unquote,
the
lights
are
not
operable.
Now.
I
I
remember,
without
I
don't
know
I'll,
remember
all
the
details,
but
a
couple
times
in
the
last
year
we've
had
similar
situations
where
the
lights
went
out
and
it
came
back,
not
repairable,
can't
fix
them
blah
blah
blah.
I
understand
that
only
six
of
the
eight
lights
are
working.
The
other
two
can't
be
fixed.
U
Fortunately,
there's
four
good
lights
on
the
end
of
the
courts
where
people
play
so
the
light
is
actually
very
good.
I
understand
the
lights
can't
be
changed.
I
understand
the
city
is
not
going
to
pay
50
or
100
thousand
dollars
to
replace
the
lights,
but
as
far
as
we
see
it
at
least
a
couple
months
ago,
the
lights
were
working
just
fine,
those
two
times
in
the
past
both
times
once
the
pickleball
players
inquired
about
the
lights
they
were
turned
back
on.
U
U
So
I
don't
claim
to
know
all
the
details,
but
it
just
seems
like
the
lights
are
getting
turned
off
unilaterally
without
council
involvement.
So
what
I'm
asking
for
is
I'm
asking
for
a
good
faith
effort
from
you
guys
to
get
the
lights
back
on.
We
understand
they're
not
going
to
be
perfect.
You
know
if
it
costs
ten
thousand
dollars,
you're
not
going
to
do
it,
but
it's
just
a
matter
of
turning
out
of
power
or
a
simple
fix.
Let's
get
the
lights
back
on
for
the
guy
that
works
at
publix.
Thank
you.
D
F
I
have
a
volume
of
emails
to
read,
so
I'm
going
to
take
a
deep
breath
pack,
a
lunch.
I
F
And
get
into
it,
I
have
prepared
myself
with
coffee,
so
if
we
could
start
this
is
from
julia
de
palma
good
morning
as
you
all
meet
this
morning,
please
remove
the
masked
main
mandate
from
our
city
and
let
the
citizens
decide
for
themselves
whether
they
wear
a
mask
or
not.
Please
put
our
freedom
back
in
our
hands
where
it
belongs,
then
we
have
kathy
frantis,
please
don't
mess
with
the
current
policy.
The
virus
is
spreading
faster
than
anyone
can
keep
up
with
and
is
up
to
you
to
keep
us
safe.
F
F
F
Then
we
have
one
from
maryland:
hairline
the
local
news
just
reported
tonight
that
florida
is
going
from
orange
to
red
zone
for
a
covet
19.
that
was
yesterday
and
the
positivity
rate
has
climbed
to
7.5
percent.
So
please
extend
puna
gorda's
mask
mandate
like
our
neighbor
counties
to
the
south,
to
at
least
easter
2021
to
protect
us
from
snow
birds,
kathy
frantis.
Please
don't
mess
with
the
current
policy.
The
virus
is
spreading
faster
than
anyone
can
keep
up
with,
and
it
is
up
to
you
to
keep
us
safe.
F
F
While
we
know
we
are
aware
that
masked
mandate
in
punta
gorda
is
expiring
and
that
it
will
once
again
be
on
tomorrow's
meeting
agenda.
While
we
know
there
are
those
who
feel
their
rights
are
being
overlooked
with
the
mask
mandate,
we
believe
that
all
citizens
and
visitors
to
our
city
deserve
the
protection
the
masks
afford.
It
has
been
stated
over
and
over
again
by
experts
that
the
wearing
of
mask
is
essential
to
lessen
the
spread
of
covet
19,
and
certainly
the
statistics
show
that
to
be
true.
F
F
We
can
only
do
that
if
people
wear
mask
and
socially
distanced.
We
personally
know
three
three
people
who
lost
their
lives
together,
19
and
another
who
survived,
but
how
now
suffers
from
long-haul
syndrome.
Only
one
of
the
four
had
pre-existing
conditions.
We
know
that
cases
are
once
again
becoming
out
of
control
and
as
such,
posing
a
threat
to
all
of
us
and
taxing
our
medical
providers.
So
we
ask
you,
isn't
something
as
simple
as
wearing
a
mask
a
small
price
to
pay
to
remain
safe
and
healthy
during
the
epidemic
that
threatens
our
city.
F
Thank
you,
diane
lowry.
I
agree
that
the
city
should
extend
the
mass
ordinance
to
protect
our
citizens.
Me
andrew
sanchez,
regarding
the
upcoming
discussion
on
pontegorda
masked
mandate.
I'm
writing
as
a
puna
gorda
nato,
charlotte
high
school
graduate
2013
and
writing
from
the
perspective
of
soon-to-be
physician
as
one
year
graduate
this
year
from
columbia,
university
school
of
medicine
in
new
york,
I've
spent
almost
four
years
here
studying
evidence-based
medicine.
It's
my
recommendation
that
the
ethical
decision
regarding
a
mask
mandate
is
to
implement
it.
Let
me
present
to
you
why.
F
F
F
As
preliminary
data
on
covid
fatality
rates
originally
suggested,
more
elderly
individuals
have
a
higher
chance
of
death
upon
contracting
cobut.
A
recent
study
using
data
from
45
counties
was
just
released
and
one
of
the
most
esteemed
medical
journals
called
nature
of
the
study
suggests
a
chance
of
death
for
those
aged
65
or
older
to
be
between
1
to
ten
percent.
If
we
were
to
lowball
the
fatality
rate
estimate
using
2019
census
data,
one
percent
of
punta
gorda
residents,
age,
65
or
older
represents
114
people.
As
I'm
writing.
F
This
we've
already
seen
161
noon
deaths
due
to
covet
in
charlotte
county.
One
of
those
deaths
represents
one
of
my
friend's
otherwise
healthy
grandfather.
Finally,
as
shown
in
another
nature,
study
masks
do
indeed
work
when
used
properly
despite
being
uncomfortable,
masks
have
also
been
ashamed
to
be
safe.
They
do
not
affect
people's
oxygen
saturation
levels
in
columbia's
pulmonary
rehab
clinic
last
month.
I
witnessed
the
safety
of
masks
first
hand,
as
patient
with
lung
conditions,
came
to
our
pulmonary
rehab
center
to
form
exercises
while
wearing
oxygen,
saturation
monitors
fun
fact.
F
Some
of
these
patients
survive
severe
covet,
but
now
have
such
scarred
lungs
that
they
will
require
portable
oxygen
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
In
any
case,
I
think
the
ethical
decision
is
obvious,
although
I
am
optimistic,
given
our
vaccine
trials
initial
results,
we
must
do
our
part
to
promote
our
community's
health
until
the
vaccine
is
available.
Regardless
of
your
decision,
please
promote
effective,
mask
usage
and
avoid
using
gator
style,
neck
fleece,
bandanas
or
knitted
masks,
as
these
have
been
shown
to
be
much
less
effective,
feel
free
to
forward
this
message
to
interested
parties.
F
Judith
denham,
I
understand
you
will
be
taking
up
the
masked
mandate
issue
at
the
next
meeting.
I
think
a
mass
mandate
is
a
wonderful
thing.
It
follows
the
science.
It
helps
slow,
the
spread
of
the
covavirus
it
lets
us
senior
citizens
go
to
the
grocery
store
and
shop
in
a
safer
environment.
We
are
now
entering
our
cooler
season
and
the
number
of
coveted
cases
is
starting
to
rise.
F
F
Many
of
us
are
senior
citizens
and
grew
up
having
rules
that
we
followed,
because
the
rules
helped
our
society
run
more
smoothly
and
safely
for
everyone
wearing
a
mask
is
not
a
big
deal.
We
can
do
this,
so
we
will
improve
the
safety
for
all
our
citizens.
I
hope
you
will
extend
the
mask
mandate
until
the
serious
threat
is
over
judas
denim
from
elaine
byrne.
F
We
need
protection,
not
platitudes,
wearing
a
mask
or
at
the
very
least,
face
shield.
If
a
mask
is
not
possible
due
to
medical
issues,
hand
washing
using
sanitizer
social
distancing,
avoiding
crowds
are
the
only
defenses.
We
have
against
this
worldwide
invisible,
disruptive
and,
in
many
cases,
tragic
deadly
pandemic.
It
does
not
announce
its
presence
until
it's
too
late
and
one
becomes
infected
and,
in
turn,
already
infected
others.
Many
people
do
not
understand
the
concept
of
being
asymptomatic,
feeling
well
but
contagious,
while
still
harboring
and
spreading
this
vicious
virus.
F
Nor
do
they
understand
the
need
for
mask
wearing
is
to
protect
others.
If
all
were
to
follow
masked
mandates,
we
would
all
have
a
fighting
chance
against
this
unwanted
intruder.
Is
this
a
personal
freedom
issue
to
the
extent
that
one's
actions
infringe
upon
life,
liberty
and
pursuit
of
happiness
of
another?
Yes,
for
those
who
will
not
wear
a
mask
their
rights
end
at
the
tip
of
their
nose
and
mouth
they're,
ignoring
mask
wearing
impinges
upon
other
people's
rights,
preventing
them
from
enjoying
life,
liberty
and
the
pursuit
of
happiness.
That
action
is
not
freedom.
F
That
is
a
false
sense
of
entitlement.
Please
ensure
what
is
right
to
keep
us
protected
and
do
your
due
diligence,
the
health
healthy
future
of
our
citizens,
visitors,
snowbird
and
economy.
Our
very
existence
depends
on
you
to
do
what
is
right?
Not
what
you
think
is
popular
continue
with
the
masked
mandate,
bonnie
fowler,
I'm
writing
to
express
my
continued
support
for
the
masked
mandate
in
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
with
covid
19
cases
on
the
rise.
This
is
not
the
time
to
let
down
your
guard
against
the
virus.
F
Many
of
our
city
residents,
older
adults
and
people
of
all
ages,
with
certain
underlying
medical
conditions
are
all
at
increased
risk
for
severe
illness
should
they
become
infected
along
with
the
threat
of
cuba
19
infection.
We
are
also
entering
the
flu
season,
making
the
importance
of
protection
even
more
vital.
I
request
that
the
leaders
of
our
city
continue
the
mass
mandate
for
punta
gorda.
This
extra
precaution
is
very
much
warranted
and
recommended
by
our
professional
health
care
providers.
F
F
I
sure
hope
council
continues.
Mass
squaring
person
in
remission
from
acute
myeloid,
leukemia,
monitored
frequently
norm
is
89.
We
stay
in
only
time
out
with
mass
to
medical
appointment,
cvs,
pharmacy
and
occasional
food
shopping
hope.
All
five
support
mask
on.
F
D
F
So
carol
perry,
please
please
keep
the
mask
ordinance.
I
also
think
we
should
go
back
to
enforcement
for
the
safety
of
all
residents.
The
virus
is
surging,
so
this
is
not
the
time
to
change
course
and
put
citizens
at
risk.
Thank
you.
F
D
F
I
was
thinking,
did
I
read
this
before,
but
now
highland
is
my
understanding
that
you
will
be
revisiting
the
citywide
mask
mandate
on
november
4th.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
apologize.
I
truly
believe
that
the
masked
mandate
is
not
only
necessary
but
is
helpful
with
keeping
at
least
our
little
world
here
in
punta
gorda,
safe.
The
influx
of
travelers
and
seasonal
persons
from
around
the
country
is
scary
when
you
consider
the
increase
in
surging
coronavirus
numbers
nationwide.
F
For
these
reasons,
I
ask
you
to
please
consider
extending
the
mask
for
at
least
until
the
end
of
snowbird
season,
until
we
know
which
way
this
new
national
surge
is
going
on.
Another
note.
Over
the
past
three
weeks
coming
down
marrying
marianne
I've
always
been
hit
while
driving
head
on
by
people
coming
from
another
road.
I'm
very
cautious,
I
know,
there's
signage
just
be
careful
when
turning
at
the
end
of
marion
near
fisherman's
village,
different
topic.
F
Wendy
young,
please
seriously
consider
continuing
punta
gorda
mass
mandate,
at
least
through
2020..
I
see
so
many
businesses
and
people
getting
comfortable
with
not
wearing
masks.
The
virus
is
not
going
anywhere.
It
is
still
here
and
very
active.
I
was
disappointed,
for
example,
when
we
went
to
penney's
grill
for
breakfast
a
week
or
so
ago,
and
she
and
other
employees
were
not
wearing
masks.
A
month
ago,
their
employees
were
wearing
masks.
Nothing
has
changed
so
why
they
relax
their
policy.
Needless
to
say,
this
behavior
tells
customers
they
do
not
need
to
wear
a
mask.
F
F
I
hope
the
city
will
consider,
following
the
lead
of
culinary
county
in
this
coming
week's
meeting,
by
imposing
a
mass
mandate
for
businesses
in
punta
gorda
through
the
end
of
the
season.
Obviously,
the
pandemic
is
not
going
away
before
then,
and
we
want
our
visitors
as
well
as
our
residents
to
feel
as
safe
as
possible
walt
kaiser.
I
encourage
the
city
council
to
continue
with
the
mass
coordinates.
My
wife
and
I
have
observed
the
recommended
protocols
and
have
so
far
been
able
to
stay.
F
F
And
this
is
from
sue
krasny.
We
want
to
share
our
thoughts
regarding
the
upcoming
city
council,
mass
mandate
review.
As
you
know,
the
covet
19
virus
has
not
disappeared
and
the
cdc
and
other
national
experts
are
recommending
that
masks
be
worn,
as
well
as
other
safety
precautions
taken.
The
fundamental
city
council
should
be
proud
that
their
current
mass
coordinates
has
contributed
to
controlling
the
cove
at
positive
numbers,
hospitalizations
and
deaths
in
charlotte
county.
This
trend
needs
to
continue.
F
In
our
opinion,
since
a
vaccine
does
not
appear
to
be
forthcoming,
please
consider
renewing
the
city's
current
mass
coordinates
until
may
2021,
which
would
cover
the
peak
of
our
high
season.
Population
increase
after
that
further
review
should
be
scheduled.
Your
mandate
renewal
would
be
a
signal
to
returning
seasonal
residents,
year-round
residents
and
visitors
alike,
that
puna
gorda
values
their
health
and
safety.
F
F
Roberta
kaplan,
I
would
like
the
city
council
to
keep
mass
mandate,
at
least
until
the
end
of
the
year.
I
am
concerned
that
virus
cases
will
dramatically
increase
during
this
upcoming
holiday
time.
We
urge
the
city
council
to
extend
the
mass
mandate.
People
coming
into
our
area
from
all
over
the
country
would
be
prudent
to
do
so.
This
is
a
very
serious
health
issue,
not
a
political
issue.
Thank
you.
F
This
is
from
the
millburgs
as
part
of
the
senior
citizen
population
in
ponegorda.
We
feel
a
true
need
for
the
mass
mandate
to
continue
covet
cases
continue
to
increase
here
in
florida
and
across
the
nation.
Please
listen
to
the
science
professionals.
Let
panagorda
be
a
leader
in
protecting
our
wonderful
city.
Thank
you.
F
F
F
So
this
is
mary
gillette.
Please
extend
the
masked
mandate
in
panagorda
until
at
least
january
1.
cases
are
increasing
rapidly
everywhere,
including
in
charlotte
county
pontegorda
has
an
older
population
and
must
be
especially
cautious.
I
would
not
go
out
to
a
restaurant
or
a
store
if
there
were
no
masks,
no
mandate
for
masks.
F
Paula
johnson,
I
do
not
reside
in
the
city
of
pontogorda.
I
reside
in
unincorporated,
charlotte
county
off
rio
villa
road,
charlotte
county
has
been
very
fortunate,
keeping
the
numbers
lower
than
a
lot
of
other
areas.
I
do
believe
this
has
to
do
mainly
with
the
mass
mandate
and
social
distancing.
People
are
actually
protecting
others.
Our
county
is
filled
with
people
60
and
uber
those
most
vulnerable
to
the
devastating
effects
of
the
virus.
We
spend
a
lot
of
money
and
time
in
the
city
of
puna
gorda.
F
F
F
F
Julie,
zielinski,
rn
msn.
Please
keep
the
mask
mandate
as
a
nurse
of
over
40
years.
Many
of
those
in
respiratory
care.
I
now
know
how
important
masks
are
in
preventing
the
spread
of
disease.
The
public
has
a
right
to
be
protected
from
the
life-threatening
disease
that
supersedes
the
right
to
not
have
to
wear
a
mask.
It
is
the
one
thing
that
can
easily
be
done
to
protect
others,
protect
yourself
and
keep
the
economy
moving
for
those
who
claim
to
support
the
healthcare
workers
it
is
in.
It
is
the
best
way
to
support
them.
F
My
heart
breaks
for
those
nurses
who
are
being
stressed
by
a
pandemic
that
should
be
under
better
control,
masks
work.
Thank
you
for
all.
You
do
marcia
case.
The
majority
of
citizens
are
grateful
for
the
city's
mass
mandate
as
it
now
stands.
It
is
important
that
we
feel
safe
and
those
of
us
over
60
especially,
are
aware
of
the
danger
of
being
exposed
to
someone
not
wearing
masks,
especially
with
the
surge
we
are
now
experiencing.
F
F
And
this
from
sandra
and
don
helt,
we
support
extending
the
face
covering
punta
gordo
ordinance
for
the
following
reasons.
One
copy
cases
are
on
the
rise
again:
two,
our
community
is
populated
with
the
most
vulnerable
group
seniors.
Three
economic
recovery.
We
feel
guarding
our
health
is
our
responsibility.
However,
we
cannot
support
businesses,
restaurants
serving
the
public
inside
or
outside.
If
managers
owners
employees
fail
to
wear
a
mask
four,
in
addition
to
safeguarding
our
health,
it
is
our
civic
responsibility
to
guard
others.
F
If
we
innocently
contract
covet
and
are
asymptomatic,
five
wearing
a
mask
in
public
is
a
small
personal
sacrifice
to
make
to
support
church
school
business
reopenings
and
minimize
the
spread
of
covet
is
a
step
towards
normalization.
Thank
you,
susan
wells.
I
commend
you
for
making
mask
mandatory
and
I
hope
you
will
extend
the
mandate
masked
mandate,
russ
and
doris
blair.
Once
again,
we
are
requesting
city
council
to
vote
for
a
masked
mandate.
We
are
all
aware
the
number
of
coveted
cases
are
on
the
rise
in
our
city
and
positivity
percentage
for
our
county
is
increasing.
F
We
need
to
stay
the
course
and
keep
our
citizens
as
safe
as
possible,
also
as
written
in
the
daily
sun.
This
morning
we
are
losing
healthcare
workers
due
to
stress
and
increased
concern
about
their
own
health
and
safety
together.
We
can
make
it
through
this
very
difficult
time
and
wearing
mask
is
one
way
to
do
it.
Thank
you
for
helping
to
keep
our
citizens
healthy
and
safe.
F
Terry
beggs.
Please
help
protect
the
vulnerable.
My
family
will
not
cross
the
river
if
we
are
not
sure
that
the
establishments
are
conscientious
about
health
problems,
doug
smith
and
carol
smith,
miami
herald
reported
on
11-2
that
florida's
department
of
health
on
monday
confirmed
46-51
additional
cases
of
covet
19,
bringing
the
state's
noon
total
to
812
063.
F
Also
45
resident
deaths
were
announced,
bringing
the
resident
death
toll
to
16
834..
One
new
non-resident
death
was
also
announced,
bringing
that
non-resident
total
to
209.
This
is
no
time
to
remove
the
mass
mandate.
The
government
cases
are
climbing
new
england.
Communities
are
rolling
back
openings
and
we
will
have
a
large
influx
of
winter
residents
coming
down.
My
wife-
and
I
don't
feel
this
is
the
time
to
roll
back.
The
mandate
going
into
a
store
to
shop
with
a
mask
is
not
an
inconvenience
given
the
alternative.
F
Robert
delaghi
logie
m-a-e-m-t-p
iso
h-o-o-n-c-a-t-p
as
a
retired,
public
health,
official
paramedic
and
safety
professional.
I'm
writing
to
strongly
encourage
a
vote
in
favor
of
extending
mass
use
in
public
places,
at
least
through
the
winter
months
and
coexisting
influenza
season.
The
data
are
clear:
mask
face
coverings,
work
and
have
been
proven
to
reduce
the
spread
of
covet
19.
F
mask
and
face
coverings
may
even
help
in
blunting
the
impact
of
the
spread
of
seasonal
influenza,
reducing
the
likelihood
of
co-infection,
which
will
likely
increase
mortality
and
morbidity
extending
the
pandemic
and
refueling
public
concern.
This
is
backed
up
with
hard
evidence
when
one
examines
human,
behavior
and
spread
of
infection.
There
is
nothing
to
support
the
notion
that
requiring
mask
or
face
covering
and
fringes
upon
one's
constitutional
rights.
F
F
Dorian,
doreen
secor.
I
think
the
masked
mandate
should
be
should
be
kept
in
force
for
the
foreseeable
future.
The
virus
is
not
going
away,
bonnie
bernard.
I
hope
you
make
the
decision
to
continue
the
mass
mandate
within
our
wonderful
city
of
punta
gorda.
As
we
are
all
aware,
the
cope
at
19
virus
has
not
gone
away
and,
in
fact
seems
to
be
making
a
resurgence
in
many
areas.
Thanks
to
the
decision
that
he
made
in
punta
gorda
to
require
mask
indoors.
I
believe
we
have
kept
our
numbers
down.
F
F
F
Say,
mr
mrs
gilder,
I
saw
the
article
about
mask
in
the
sun
this
morning,
I'm
in
favor
of
extending
the
usage
of
masks.
People
do
not
realize
that
snowbirds
are
arriving
daily
and
may
have
the
virus.
I
noticed
today
that
the
7-eleven
have
no
signs
up
or
are
their
employees
wearing
them.
The
center
has
been
slow
to
follow
the
safety
guidelines.
Since
we
have
the
virus
alert
here,
I
will
no
longer
go
there
until
this
virus
is
going.
Thank
you.
F
Alan
lessman,
on
behalf
of
a
number
of
charlotte
county
transit
riders,
will
request
that
you
do
not
extend
the
masked
mandate.
Many
riders
live
outside
city
limits
and
some
are
terrified.
When
the
bus
enters
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
they
don't
live
there
and
are
not
sure
what
the
rules
are.
They
are
frightened
by
police
rule
again.
Thank
you.
F
Karen
steinfeld,
in
light
of
the
rising
cases
of
cove
at
19
in
florida,
I
believe
we
should
keep
the
masked
man
dating
puna
gorda.
Our
percentage
of
cases
here
versus
port
charlotte
are
lower
because
we
are
all
wearing
masks
in
public
and
indoors.
It
works,
our
snowbirds
are
returning
and
there
will
be
a
lot
more
population
here.
The
smart
and
safe
thing
to
do
is
approve
the
mandate
sharon
long.
F
F
Please
keep
the
inside
mask
coordinates
thanks,
roger
and
sharon.
Joanne
lancaster.
Please
continue
the
mass
coordinates.
The
number
of
coveted
cases
are
going
up
because
people
are
not
wearing
them.
Please
please,
please!
It's
a
community
of
senior
citizens,
steve
helmers,
I'm
writing
to
encourage
you
to
back
an
extension
or
reissue
of
the
masking
rule
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda.
We
are
in
dangerous
period
of
coronavirus
pandemic
and
we
know
the
science
is
in
place
that
encourages
us
to
mask.
F
It
should
not
be
difficult
to
attempt
to
protect
your
citizens
and
help
to
keep
us
healthy
being
a
person
whose
health
is
compromised.
I
currently
wear
a
mask.
Whenever
I
visit
a
public
place
because
of
the
masking
rule,
I
can
go
grocery
shopping
visit
the
hardware
store
and
go
to
a
safe
restaurant.
On
occasion,
if
you
remove
the
masking
rule,
you
take
all
of
that
away
from
me.
It
will
further
restrict
my
freedom,
while
some
regulate
the
freedom
from
a
mask,
a
mask
weighs
very
little.
F
F
This
is
from
janet
thomas
wearing
masks
should
not
be
a
political
issue.
Cdc
guidelines
strongly
state
that
mask
will
save
lives.
Pontegorda
has
one
of
the
oldest
populations
in
the
country.
We've
been
fortunate
that
our
death
rate
has
not
been
higher
at
this
time
of
year.
We
welcome
back
our
snowbirds
from
other
parts
of
the
country,
and
fortunately,
this
greatly
increases
the
risk
of
not
only
kevin
19
but
also
flew
in
colds.
F
I
strongly
urge
the
council
to
uphold
and
enforce
the
ordinance
by
at
least
verbal
reprimand.
I
also
urge
council
to
mandate
that
all
food
service
personnel
must
be
masks
masked
susan
miller,
I
requested
the
mask
wearing
ordinance
without
collection
of
fines
for
not
wearing
a
mask,
be
continued,
at
least
through
the
end
of
the
year.
This
will
enable
our
many
establishment
stores,
restaurants,
bars
country
clubs,
agencies,
etc.
The
opportunity
to
enforce
the
rule
without
condemnation
from
a
few
consumers
who
may
resist
wearing
a
mask.
F
It
is
such
a
small
price
to
pay
for
our
residents
to
remain
safe
in
our
local
businesses
to
have
a
chance
of
succeeding
during
the
holiday
season.
Thank
you
for
all
that.
You
do
for
our
wonderful
town,
loris
kelke,
as
a
snowbird,
along
with
many
friends.
We
truly
appreciate
the
mask
mandate.
We
feel
very
comfortable
coming
back
to
our
beautiful
city,
knowing
leaders
care
enough
to
have
this
mandate,
which
in
turn
has
helped
keep
our
county
numbers
low.
F
Otherwise
we
would
have
stayed
north.
We
will
not
be
visiting
shops
and
restaurants
that
do
not
require
masks,
so
we
are
requesting.
You
continue
the
mandate.
Thank
you,
rebecca
zubrod.
Please
extend
the
masked
mandate
in
panagorda.
The
covet
cases
are
on
the
rise.
Please
keep
us
safe,
thank
you,
celeste,
mary
gwen
and
edmund
davis.
F
Thank
you
for
considering
our
email
comments.
We
feel
strongly
that
the
masked
mandate
is
even
more
important
than
ever,
with
the
number
of
cases
rising
nationally
and
more
snowbirds
traveling
to
our
state.
We
need
to
protect
our
residents.
Most
visitors,
too,
will
appreciate
our
mask
mandate
when
they
arrive.
Please
continue
the
mask
the
mandate
until
we
have
a
vaccine,
it
is
the
appropriate
measure
to
protect
the
health
of
us
all.
We
love
punta
gorda
and
feel
comfortable
shopping
here
because
of
the
current
mandate.
Keep
up
the
good
work.
F
Honey
zimka,
please
do
good
for
all
your
constituents
and
extend
the
masked
man
day
for
at
least
another
month.
As
I
am
sure
you
know,
the
covet
invasion
is
getting
stronger
again
by
the
day.
It
is
only
due
to
your
previous
decision
to
declare
the
mandate
in
puna
gorda
that
our
area
has
remained
on
the
low
side
of
the
figures
that
are
reported
almost
daily,
be
good
leaders
and
extend
it.
F
Steve
steinfeld:
in
addition,
we
continue
the
masked
mandate.
There
is,
please
continue
the
masked
mandate.
There
is
a
consensus,
scientific
opinion
that
wearing
a
face
covering,
will
save
lives
and
reduce
the
devastating
impact
of
our
health
care
system.
What
is
the
downside?
A
little
temporary
discomfort,
james
and
deborah
griffiths.
F
F
F
I
sincerely
hope
the
council
will
extend
the
mass
mandate
and
actually
limit
the
size
of
gatherings
of
people.
The
coronavirus
has
surged
back
to
levels
we
had
in
july
in
charlotte
county
in
florida,
and
the
track
appears
to
be
upward,
not
leveling
off
or
going
down.
While
people
are
tired
of
staying
home
and
being
cautious.
This
is
no
time
to
let
up
on
protecting
ourselves
and
our
community
jason
cox,
sheila
cox,
marisa
lane.
F
We
have
a
seat
belt
law
that
protects
drivers
and
passengers
in
the
event
of
a
car
crash
when
dealing
with
covet
19,
the
only
thing
that
protects
us
as
washing
hands,
social
distancing
and
a
face
mask.
It
is
not
only
it
not
only
helps
to
protect
us
but
others.
Why
would
we
not
do
such
simple
things
to
possibly
save
a
life?
Any
other
action
is
not
patriotic
ann
taylor.
I
urge
you
and
the
entire
council
to
extend
the
mandatory
mass
coordinates
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda.
F
Peter
pavero,
this
is
to
let
you
know
that
I
strongly
favor
keeping
the
mask
policy.
I
am
an
older
resident
and
very
concerned
about
protecting
myself
and
others
from
getting
the
virus.
I
know
that
people
like
myself
want
to
shop
in
a
safe
environment
and
will
avoid
places
that
don't
require
a
mask.
Please
let
the
council
members
know
my
concerns.
F
I
just
wanted
to
advance
an
argument
that
would
not
be
popular
among
some.
The
cdc
in
response
to
something
that
was
put
forward
on
fox
wrote
that
mass
do
not
protect
the
where
it's
ludicrous
to
continue
using
the
draconian
measures
to
force
citizens
to
comply
with
your
viewpoint,
which
is
not
scientific.
This
represents
a
slippery
slope
which
we
will
find
ourselves
once
the
government
is
not
serving
us,
but
rather
we
serve
the
government,
it's
dangerous
to
all
americans
in
europe
where
they
do
not
use
mass.
F
Their
statistics
show
that
it
is
not
much
different
from
where
they
do
wear
them
and
is
now
well
named,
statistically
that,
in
spite
of
rising
numbers
in
cases
right
now,
deaths
are
falling,
immunity
is
up
and
deaths
are
down.
Personally,
I
cannot
breathe
with
the
mask
and
it
limits
my
oxygen,
which
is
already
compromised.
F
Due
to
my
covet
experience
during
the
month
of
july,
I
always
wore
a
mask:
hardly
ever
left
my
home
and
still
got
it.
So
I
know
mass
queering
is
not
key.
Through
personal
experience,
with
visitors
coming
in
from
out
of
town,
it's
difficult
to
enforce
a
mandate,
presumably
unenforceable.
Please
let
people
do
as
they
please.
G
D
Okay
at
this
time,
if
there
is
anyone
in
the
audience
who
has
submitted
a
resume
for
a
border
committee-
and
you
would
like
to
introduce
yourself-
please
come
to
the
podium
anyone
in
the
audience-
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
move
on,
we
will
adjourn
as
the
punta
gorda
city,
council
and
reconvene
as
the.
D
D
F
F
When
you
look
at
the
monthlies
and
the
commercial,
the
moorings
that
we
have
the
liveaboards
et
cetera,
it's
very
close
from
a
year
to
year
perspective
for
october
19
to
20.,
we
still
have
the
13
free
public
side
ties.
We
have
a
pump
out
dock
and
we
have
four
slips
that
are
currently
reserved
for
punta
gorda
police
department,
charlotte
county
special
ops
and
the
marine
work
boat.
F
So
those
are
being
used.
The
police,
of
course,
have
their
boat
that
we're
waiting
to
get
into
a
slip
there
and
the
rest
of
the
operation
is
going
fairly
well.
We
have
people
that
are
calling
actually
saying:
when
will
there
be
a
slip
available
so
that
I
can
get
mine
in
there
and
as
some
of
these
expire
of
course,
more
annual
than
anything
that
people
are
right
now
looking
for,
we
have
others
on
the
list
to
move
in
there.
So
it
appears
it
will
be
a
fairly
consistent
revenue
and
operation.
D
F
Only
that
we
have
allocated
more
of
the
slips
for
public
safety
operations,
so
right
now,
the
the
ones
that
you
see
for
the
police
department
for
their
boats,
charlotte
county
sheriff
the
marine
workbook,
which
of
course,
is
the
pump
output
et
cetera.
Not
all
these
slips
were
allocated
last
year
this
year
they
are
so
that's
the
response.
We
got.
F
Think
a
lot
of
people
don't
know.
We've
been
trying
to
get
that
word
out
as
we
talk
to
people
that
that
community
room
is
open
and
you
can
schedule
that,
for
you
know
the
events
with
the
proper
social
distancing
and
mass
squaring,
but
no
one
has
taken
advantage
of
that
for
a
while.
Now,
actually,
that's
a
good
point.
F
The
monthly
pump
out
report
you
can
see
that
october
2020,
we
have
124
miles
traveled,
so
there's
slightly
less
mileage
on
it.
That
boat
is
the
one
we
were
looking
at
a
new
engine
for,
but
at
the
same
time
the
number
of
pump
outs
in
october
were
93
pump
outs.
Florida
was
79,
non-florida
were
14,
and
you
can
see
that
in
october
of
last
year
you
had
more
florida
vessels
and
less
non-florida
vessels.
F
F
We
have
the
quarterly
grant
reporting
we're
required
to
provide-
and
this
of
course
shows
at
the
bottom
that
the
city's
not
collective
fee
for
service
and
that
the
new
motor
was
installed,
not
a
reimbursable
maintenance
expense
under
grand
terms,
but
it
was
certainly
because
we
do
get
a
lot
of
use
out
of
this
vessel
and
it
does
provide
a
substantial
service
to
the
vessels
that
are
in
our
marina
and
harbor.
Actually
so
out
of
state
vessels.
That's
just
for
the
quarter.
F
You
can
read
that
the
total
vessels
pump
269
and
the
miles
traveled
we're
almost
500
miles
on
the
water.
So
that's
a
lot
of
miles.
F
For
you
know
that
little
boot
to
be
used
in
the
work
that
it
does
almost
5,
000
gallons
pumped
in
that
case
for
the
bait
service.
That's
a
lot!
When
we
look
at
our
project
report.
The
gilchrist
park
harbor
walk
that
project's
complete.
There's
some
nice
pictures
there.
F
You
can
see
people
enjoying
the
harbor
wall,
it's
good
that
that's
now
open
we're
continuing
with
some
of
the
minor
improvements
that
may
be
needed
there,
a
little
bit
of
signage
to
help
remind
people
that
there
may
be
some
places
where
other
people
are
using
that
for
various
purposes,
and
they
need
to
be
cautious,
especially
riding
bikes
at
speed
going
around
some
of
the
curves
and
some
of
the
bridges
at
the
far
end.
So
we'll
continue
to
work
on
that.
F
J
F
Thought
that
was
pretty
special
still
haven't
seen
an
alligator,
but
I
know
they're
here
still
looking,
so
that
project
is
complete
and
open
and
we're
happy
that
that's
being
used
as
widely
as
it
is
gilchrist
park
improvements
that
was
basically
a
regurgitation
of
the
parking
that
we'll
be
working
on
we're
coming
back
with
some
final
numbers
to
city
council
and
what
that
will
be
for
final
approvals
to
move
forward,
but
that
will
garner
some
additional
parking
space
and
reconfigure
of
existing
space
to
be
more
efficient
in
the
area
of
gilchrist
park,
so
that
we
can
have
more
efficient
flow
of
traffic
or
parking
of
traffic.
F
There
go
cross
park,
playground
the
surface
repairs,
begin
maintenance
began
october
30.,
you
can
see
what
it
looked
like
and
why,
and
it
looks
like
it
will
be
reopening
tomorrow
november
5th.
There
was
a
lot
of
work
done
there.
The
resurfacing
is
complete,
looks
very
nice.
If
you
haven't
been
able
to
see
it,
you
can
take
a
look.
I
think,
on
the
next
page,
you'll
see
that
people
should
be
very
happy
with
the
maintenance
work.
That's
been
done
there
in
the
knee
surfacing
the
recreational
cord
surfacing
cooper
street
rec
center.
F
You
can
see
the
tennis
courts
there
and
again
in
gilchrist
the
basketball
courts,
pickleball
courts
and
the
tennis
courts
that
were
completed
in
march
of
2020
they've
been
resurfaced,
we're
getting
play
on
those
and
tennis
courts
and
pickleball.
Of
course,
the
2018
decision
was
play
until
dusk
and
lights
on
neither
of
those
courts,
basketball
or
pickleball
are
on
or
functional
wayfinding
signage.
We've
had
a
lot
of
the
survey
work
done
completed,
so
we
can
get
that
signage
up
a
lot
of
that
direction.
F
From
for
the
historic
district
to
fisherman's
village,
to
the
various
amenities
in
city
center
in
the
downtown
core
staff
met
with
the
engineer
and
florida
department
of
transportation
representatives
first
week
of
november,
and
that
is
moving
forward
nicely.
So
we
can
get
that
signage
in
place
as
another
amenity
to
the
downtown
core
for
puna
gorda
veterans
park.
F
F
They
are
working
on
that,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
to
clean
those
they're,
of
course,
categorized
now
and
will
be
placed
it's
not
only
some
in
sections
in
front
of
the
signage
not
or
in
front
of
the
mural,
not
that
complete
section,
because
you
still
have
the
gray
space
there,
but
also
where
the
gazebo
is
so
that
remains
to
be
finalized
and
presented
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
that.
We
have
six
new
benches
from
donors
that
are
going
to
be
installed.
F
F
Lashley
park,
we
have
a
scope
of
work
and
the
fees
for
the
engine
engineering
services.
We
anticipated
the
cost
that
is
shown
here.
That
could
be
a
six-month
project.
We
know
that
once
we
have
the
notice
to
perceive,
we
will
proceed,
which
of
course,
we
now
have
a
contract
signed
as
of
just
a
couple
days
ago.
F
F
We'll
look
at
those
concepts,
get
the
100
plans
once
we
approve
final
design
and
then
there
will
be
bidding
assistance,
that's
incorporated
within
the
scope
of
work,
so
six
months
from
now,
plus
or
minus,
we
should
be
able
to
go
out
for
bid
and
actually
get
some
construction
going,
so
that
that
interactive,
fountain
and
playground
improvements
and
expansion
will
be
completed.
That
will
be
a
very
nice
amenity
in
that
area.
F
That's
expanded
for
the
the
not
only
the
kids,
but
some
adults
that
like
to
be
kids
for
our
families
that
are
using
the
park,
the
herald
court
center
subway.
We
do
have
that
space
vacated
right
now.
You
can
see
by
the
pictures
that
on
the
top
left
and
right,
we
have
the
big
freezer
and
refrigerator
in
the
back.
These
are
very
large
units
that
are
fully
functional
that
were
remain
after
the
area
was
vacated
in
the
front.
We
do
have
the
condiment
cabinets
and
workspace.
F
Those
are
still
there.
They
can
have
a
solid
surface
underneath
the
glass,
so
they
could
be
display
cases
they
can
be
removed
as
condiment
cases.
They
can
be
moved
completely.
They
are
not
fastened,
although
they
are
solid,
but
they
can
be
completely
removed
so
that
front
area
is
wide
open
and
can
be
reconfigured.
F
You
can
see
in
the
middle
slide
to
the
left
that
that's
the
front
side
shot
of
those
cabinets,
the
condiment
cabinets
and
or
display
cases
with
those
removed.
There's
a
substantial
amount
of
space.
There
there's
small
refrigerators
behind
it
along
the
wall
and,
of
course,
for
better
or
worse.
We
can
take
out
or
leave,
there's
also
the
soda
machine.
That's
on
the
left
that
was
remaining
in
the
space
on
the
right
in
the
center
column
is
where
the
tables
were.
F
That's
also
an
open
space,
it's
very
good
space
with
access
to
the
other
street,
and
there
is
a
small
hallway
off
that
space
that
has
fully
fit
out
men
and
women's
restrooms.
So
the
space
itself
is
a
very
good
space,
very
usable,
a
lot
of
parking
above
it
there's.
Hardly
anyone
in
that
side
of
the
parking
garage
right
above
this
space
and
there's
a
stair
tower
right
outside
that
comes
right
down
from
the
parking
to
the
outside
area,
on
the
corner
of
the
space
itself.
F
So
very
nice
space
always
1500
square
feet
and
we'll
be
looking
for
someone
that
wants
to
take
advantage
of
that
and
trying
to
assist
them
in
getting
in
the
space
so
that
they
can
open
and
have
another
business
in
the
harrell
court
center
that
we
can
be
proud
of
and
help
support.
And
if
you
look
on
the
last
project,
page
of
the
herald
court
center,
the
refinery
market,
which
is
probably
not
on
the
slide,
the
grand
opening
will
be
november
21st.
F
We
wanted
to
put
this
in
there
because,
when
mikhail
was
down
there,
the
other
day
they
did
have
some
goods
sitting
out.
It
was
the
first
time
we
could
really
get
a
picture
of
that
and
with
the
grand
opening
being
held
november
21st,
we
wanted
to
get
that
the
next
cra
meeting
won't
be
until
after
that.
So
we
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
put
that
in
here,
so
that
you
could
see
that
they
are
there
they're
ready
to
open
and
on
the
21st
they
should
have
some
of
their
first
customers
in
the
door.
D
Thank
you.
Any
questions
for
the
city
manager,
john,
any
questions,
no
okay,
okay.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
october
7th
meeting.
I
would
entertain
a
motion.
D
D
Okay,
this
is
something
that
we
do
every
year
once
a
year
and
after
we
see
all
the
the
new
folks
that
are
potentially
new
members
to
the
council
or
the
cra,
and
we
will
do
this
also
at
the
city
council
meeting
later
in
the
agenda.
D
But
what
this
is
is
a
resolution
just
adopting
our
rules
of
conduct
which
are
posted
on
the
wall
in
the
council
chamber,
and
we
would
need
a
motion
to
approve
that
so
moved.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
second
second,
second,
okay.
We
have
a
motion
in
two
seconds
to
approve
the
resolution
of
the
cra
formally
adopting
rules
of
conduct
and
providing
an
effective
date.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
mushrooms
unanimously.
D
G
D
Okay,
typically,
we
always
have
had
one
of
our
dedicated
cra
representatives
as
in
that
seat,
when
we
had
jane
leave
before
the
end
of
a
year,
jaha
took
the
seat
interim,
and
so,
if
they're,
I
don't
know,
is
there
anyone
that
would
like
to
nominate
someone
for
this
position
or
is
there
anyone
that
would
like
to
volunteer
for
the
position.
J
I
would
make
a
formal
motion
that
we
have
bill
serve
as
representative
of
the
cra
on
the
shaker.
D
D
J
None
nancy!
Oh
yes,
just
congratulations
to
the
new
new
board
members.
I
I
D
G
K
F
I
can
certainly
comment
on
that
when
we
researched.
Of
course,
I
had
to
go
back
and
research.
What
had
been
done
in
the
past-
and
it
looks
like
our
electrical
contractor-
did
indicate
that,
of
course,
these
lakes
should
not
just
be
turned
on
and
used,
because
there
are
issues
with
the
lighting
system
not
only
there,
but
also
around
the
tennis
courts.
F
F
If,
in
the
evening
hours
people
wanted
to
play
that
there
were
other
opportunities,
either
at
picklebikes
or
different
areas
that
that
after
dusk
play
could
be
accommodated
and
that
the
lights
should
not
be
repaired
and
money
spent
on
that
when
the
intent
was
to
allow
play
during
the
daytime
hours
and
in
the
evening
hours
to
have
it
more
of
a
passive
park
and
not
have
the
the
play
continue
with
lighted
quartz.
So
that's
right
now
what
we
are
doing.
F
That's
been
the
decision
and
that's
the
decision
that
we're
following
that
was
also
a
consensus
at
the
time
that
basically
superseded
the
first
consensus.
So
we
do
not
have
signs
there.
That
say
eight
to
eight
at
this
point
and
we
do
not
have
the
lights
on
after
dusk
and
we're
following
the
direction
that
was
previously
thoroughly
vetted
and
discussed,
and
that's
the
the
consensus
that
stands
and
so
that's
our
direction
to
follow.
At
this
point.
D
I
know
that
we
did
that
so
that
there
wouldn't
be
encouragement
of
using
the
courts
after
dark
and
and
certainly
that
has
made
a
huge
difference
in
the
the
satisfaction
of
the
residents
that
live
in
the
surrounding
district.
D
So
I
I
think
we
pretty
much
beat
that
dead
horse
quite
a
bit,
and
I
I
think
what
we
did
was
the
right
thing
and
keeping
four
courts
has
completely
stopped
all
the
really
nasty
comments
we
were
getting
and
it's
really
calmed
things
down
substantially
and
the
fact
that
we
repaved
all
eight
courts
is
simply
because
it
was
less
expensive
to
pay
the
eight
courts
than
to
tear
out
the
macadam
for
four
of
the
eight
courts.
D
So
you
know
if
we
ever
do
decide
to
flip
the
tennis
courts
and
the
pickleball
courts,
one
to
the
other.
That
could
still
happen
at
this
point
and
that's
why
we
did
the
paving
the
way
we
did
it,
so
that
will
explain
to
some
of
the
residents
who
may
be
listening
in
why
we
did
that
as
far
as
the
paving
or
surrounding
the
courts.
I
I
don't
believe,
that's
ever
been
paved
to.
F
The
best
of
my
knowledge,
if
you're
talking
about
the
perimeter
of
the
courts
outside
the
sound
deadening
which
was
also
put
in
in
the
18
discussion,
that
was
also
good
to
help
keep
the
sound
within
the
confines
of
play.
It
has
never
been
paved
on
the
outside
grassy
area
so
that
you
could
access
or
sit
out
there
while
pickleball
play
was
occurring
and
that's
not
in
our
capital
plan.
We
don't
intend
on
doing
that.
D
Yeah:
okay:
okay,
if
there's
no
other
comments,
then
okay.
M
I
don't
care
good.
Could
I
just
ask
a
quick
question
about
the
representative
on
the
chamber
government
affairs
committee.
When
mrs
sturgis
served,
we
didn't
do
the
appointment
annually.
She
just
continued
to
serve
year
after
year.
M
D
I
mean,
I
think
it's
like
a
consensus
if
you're
amenable
to
it.
My
my
opinion
would
be
that
as
long
as
you're
amenable
to
staying
on
it,
if
you're
on
the
cra
that
it
would
continue
the
continuity,
I
can
tell
you
that
some
of
these
boards
and
committees
that
we
all
sit
on
continuity
is
a
really
big
deal
and
when
you
are,
you
are
in
tune
with
everything
that's
happening
on
that
committee
and
you
go
month
after
month,
year
after
year,
there
is
a
great
amount
of
continuity
that
occurs.
F
Okay,
I
believe
councilman
matt,
oh.
B
Oh,
are
you
I'm
not
hearing
very
well,
but
if
you
ask
greg
to
put
his
microphone
a
little
closer
to
his
mouth
because
I
he
doesn't
come
through
very
well.
D
M
R
L
L
That
explains
what
this
ordinance
proposes
to
do
and
why-
and
you
should
also
have
a
letter
from
the
actuary
indicating
that
the
cost
of
this
ordinance,
if
you
adopt
it,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
additional
cost
associated
with
its
adoption
and
typically
that
takes
me
over
the
top.
When
I
tell
you,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
cost,
but
hopefully
the
ordinance
was
kind
of
self-explanatory.
L
There's
some
housekeeping
changes
in
here
there's
several
changes
that
have
a
result
from
changes
that
have
been
made
in
the
internal
revenue
code
because,
as
you
know,
this
plan
is
a
tax
qualified
pension
plan.
So
we
have
to
kind
of
keep
up
with
the
requirements
that
we
that
we
get
from
the
irs
and
when
they
change
things
we
have
to,
we
have
to
make
those
changes.
So
so
those
are
in
here.
So
I
know
you
have
a
long
agenda.
L
It's
already
been
a
long
agenda
and
I'll
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
on
this
ordinance,
but
obviously
the
board
of
trustees
recommends
its
approval.
H
L
I
D
I
D
D
D
D
Okay,
we
have
a
four
to
one
to
close
the
public
hearing,
so
I
will
entertain.
D
D
I
Move
approve
ga-13-2020
second,.
D
N
V
D
D
A
D
D
R
And
finally,
we
have
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
does
not
require
a
public
hearing.
This
is
pd-02-2020
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
ordinance
number
1904-18,
as
amended
by
ordinance
number
1919-19,
which
approved
the
planned
development
for
4.02
plus
or
minus
acres
generally
described
as
900
west
marion
avenue,
punta
gorda
florida
to
permit
public
events
at
an
existing
auditorium,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
effective
date.
D
Okay,
this
is
not
a
public
hearing,
so
I
will
entertain
a
motion
of
approval
of
pd-02-2020.
B
D
D
D
D
W
Good
morning
chris
and
simeone,
so
we
had
wanted
to
let
the
citizens
know
and
also
provide
the
council
an
opportunity
to
discuss
some
of
these
miscellaneous
charges
prior
to
putting
the
ordinance
together
so
that
we
had
everyone's
buy-ins.
W
So
the
final
report
was
basically
everything
that
was
discussed
with
our
consultants,
and
so
it
still
recommended
the
3.75
rate
increase,
of
course,
with
our
recommendation
that
we
review
that
each
year
so
that
instead
of
doing
3.75
annually,
we
will
still
review
it
to
see
if
we
need
it
just
because
of
changes
that
might
happen
in
our
capital
plan
or
timing
of
some
of
our
projects
and
things
like
that.
So
in
any
particular
year,
if
we
don't
need
that
rate
increase,
we
would
not
propose
it
for
the
future.
W
Again,
we
talked
about
the
water
and
sewer
impact
fees,
and
the
the
water
impact
fee
will
have
a
decrease
of
one
hundred
forty
nine
dollars,
and
that
was
mainly
due
to
the
ro
plant
and
the
grant
funds
we
were
able
to
receive
for
that,
and
then
the
increase
in
the
sewer
impact
fee
of
eighty
three
dollars,
so
those
are
still
there.
So
then
we
move
into
the
miscellaneous
fees
and
we've
included
a
chart.
W
W
Yes,
perfect,
that's
perfect,
so
we
did
a
comparison
with
several
entities
that
are
close
by
to
us
as
well
as
use
the
tool
that
was
provided
by
stantec
and
in
using
the
tool
we
find
that
our
costs
are
more
than
we
were
collecting.
So
we
were
trying
to
recommend
increases
that
would
help
cover
our
cost
and
in
some
cases
we
chose
possibly
not
to
recommend
a
completely
higher
rate.
Maybe
do
it
in
stages
to
kind
of
get
there
talking
to
our
billing
and
collection
supervisor.
W
Again
on
the
water
tap
charges,
it's
mostly
labor,
so
we
felt
like
we
could
maybe
do
a
little
bit
better
there,
because
we
already
pay
for
the
labor.
We
do
want
to
try
and
collect
as
much
as
we
could
to
cover
those
costs
because
they
are
being
taken
away
from
other
things
that
they
could
be
working
on,
but
on
the
meter
installation
charges
we
had
to
use
a
higher
percentage
of
the
increase
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
materials.
So
that's
why?
W
You
can
see
that
we're
trying
to
get
more
in
line
with
some
of
our
neighboring
communities,
because
a
lot
of
them
two
of
the
communities
just
charge
it
together.
They
didn't
have
separate
charges
where
ccu
did
have
separate
charges.
So
that's
why
we
put
this
comparison
in
so
you
could
see
apples
to
apples.
W
W
For
the
disconnect
and
reconnect
the
admin
fee
during
the
working
hours,
we've
only
been
charging
fifteen
dollars
and
again
we're
requesting
forty
five
dollars.
W
That
would
cover
the
cost
of
the
you
know
the
billing
collection
stuff,
as
well
as
the
person
who
has
to
actually
go
out
there
and
turn
it
on
or
turn
it
off
first
and
then
turn
it
back
on
during
working
hours
every
once
in
a
while,
we
do
get
someone
that
wants
to
have
it's
already
like
late
in
the
day
and
people
have
gone
home
and
they
want
to
have
that
water
service
reconnected
during
after
hours.
W
W
Going
down
for
customer
requested
rereads
and
again
this
one,
we
can
discuss
a
little
further
if
you'd
like,
but
again
it
takes
staff
to
go
back
out
and
manually
read
the
the
meters.
W
So
if
they
go
back
out
and
they
reread-
and
it
was
a
correct,
read
we're
suggesting
charging
25
some
charge
it
and
some
don't
and
again
most
if
most
communities,
if
they
do
charge
it
it's
only
if
it's
correct
that
the
the
customer
would
get
charged.
W
W
Field
testing
them
the
meter
again,
our
ordinance
calls
for
actual
cost.
We
really
have
not
generally
charged
that
fee
because
it
varies
for
each
visit
because
it
different
staff
might
actually
be
working
on
it.
So
we're
just
suggesting
a
flat
fee
of
45
on
that
and
that's
again,
if
it's
within
the
tolerance,
our
ordinance
calls
if
it's
within
the
three
percent
range.
W
Customer
requested
shutoffs
and
turn-ons
so
again,
if
like
they're
gonna,
be
away
and
they
want
the
city
to
come
and
turn
it
off
and
then
turn
it
back
on
we're
suggesting
25
each
time.
However,
knowing
that
we
have
some
seasonal
residents,
we
would
allow
one
each
per
year.
So
obviously,
if
they
left
to
to
go
up
north
that
and
ask
for
a
turn
off,
we
would
not
charge
them
and
when
they
came
back,
we
would
not
charge
them
it's
only
if
they
requested
additional
turn-ons
and
turn-offs.
W
W
Currently,
we
charge
fifty
dollars
for
the
meter,
installation
and
five
hundred
dollars
as
a
security
deposit
and
we're
suggesting
the
meter
installation
should
be
a
hundred
dollars
again.
It's
usually
two
times
that
the
crew
has
to
go
out
there
to
install
and
then
also
to
uninstall
and
the
security
deposit
to
cover
the
meter
and
the
backflow
preventer.
W
The
backflow
preventer
is
really
what's
the
biggest
part
of
the
expense,
if
like
there
was
damage
to
that.
So
that's
why
we
would
request
a
higher
security
deposit
to
cover
that.
If
there
was
damage
again,
they
would
get
that
returned
if
there's
no
damage
to
the
equipment
or
they
could
use
that
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
water
usage.
W
A
lot
much
in
our
ordinance
for
that,
except
for
watering
restrictions
or
watering
conservation.
So
we
really
kind
of
wanted
to
just
clarify
that
and
move
that
to
have
some
higher
costs
involved
because,
especially
with
our
advanced
meter
reading
now
on
the
automatic,
automated
meter
reading,
there
is
sometimes
people
that
are
cutting
the
wires
or
things
like
that,
and
we
really
want
to
kind
of
make
it
that
there
are
some
consequences:
higher
consequences
to
tampering
with
those
connections.
W
W
W
I
did
didn't
do
a
calculation
for
that.
I
could
again
we're
just
trying
to
cover
charges
mostly,
except
for
the
ones
that
are
the
tampering,
because
those
are
more
punitive,
but
for
the
actual
things
we're
actually
just
trying
to
cover
some
of
our
expenses.
I
could
go
back
and
get
you
that
information.
N
H
Years,
could
we
could
we
do
something
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
take
another
36
years
to
make
sure
we're
covering
our
costs?
Should
that
be
something
that
is
just
built
into
our
strategic
plan
that
we're
going
to
yeah
evaluate
this,
because
I
mean
you
know
if
we
ran
our
household
budgets
that
way
we'd.
W
W
Correct
and
so
we
will
look
at
this
more
frequently
and
almost
probably
annually
at
this
point
because,
like
I
said
on
the
the
top
two,
the
tap
charges
we're
still
not
covering
a
hundred
percent,
because
we
didn't
want
to
make
it
too
much
of
a
jump
all
at
once.
So
we
would
want
to
like
any
time
we're
looking
at
rates
again
annually,
maybe
increase
some
of
those
ones
that
we
weren't
covering
a
hundred
percent.
Yet,
okay,.
D
I
So
I
have
a
nancy
yeah,
a
question
then,
but
the
tap
charges
who's
going
to
be.
Who
are
we
going
to
be
charging
those
two.
I
I
F
E
W
I
thought
I
had
printed
it
out.
Maybe
I
left
it
on
the
printer,
I'm
sorry!
So
if
we
were
to
go
up
it,
the
the
240
would
be
more
in
the
400
range
and
then
for
the
meter
installations.
W
They
would
go
up
as
well
like
the
970
say
on
the
two
inch
meter
is
approximately
1200.
versus
the
970..
I
can't
remember
them
all
offhand,
but
I
could.
I
could
include
that
if,
if
you
would
like
to
go
that
way,
we
could
recover
100
right
up
front.
H
W
E
W
B
G
W
W
Yes,
because
that
makes
sense
again,
if
there's
delays
in
some
of
our
projects,
we
might
not,
we
might
not
need
an
increase
in
one
year
or
we
might
need
a
smaller
increase.
But,
yes,
we
could
again,
they
just
looked
at
a
10-year
period
and
tried
to
make
it
even
throughout.
You
know
what
the
rate
increases
would
be,
knowing
what
we
know
at
this
particular
point
in
time,
so
they
were
totally
on
board
with
us
reviewing
it
each
year
as
far
as.
W
And
it's
good
that
we
review
it
with
the
consultants
every
few
years.
Just
because
then
you
know,
we
know
we're
on
the
right
track
and
we
are
covering
all
our
bases
as
well,
but
historically
we
have
in
finance,
worked
on
our
own
rate
increases,
or
you
know,
information
and
so
like.
As
you
remember
the
last
time,
the
consultants
had
recommended
a
three
three
increases
and
we
only
needed
two.
W
W
Yeah,
so
the
one
last
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
in
our
what
we're
proposing
for
our
ordinance
change
is
moving
from
25
days
from
the
bill
date
due
date
to
21
days.
That'll
always
make
it
on
a
generally
a
weekday
also
with
us
working
on
outsourcing
our
billing
and
doing
it
all
at
once
for
all
customers.
W
G
I
M
F
I
think,
in
context
also,
the
county
had
proposed
a
seven
percent
increase
for
multiple
years
in
a
row
compared
to
our
3.75.
So.
G
D
W
Yes
and
then
we'll
bring
it
back
to
you
in
our
first
reading
of
the
ordinance
at
the
next
council
meeting
and
then
the
final
reading
will
be
the
first
meeting
in
december.
But
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
your
guidance
on
creating
the
the
new
orleans.
D
W
Right,
and
also
just
to
clarify
also
the
final
public
hearing
and
the
public
hearing
part
of
this
will
be
the
second
public
hearing,
which
is
the
december
meeting
the
first
december
meeting
of
council
to
meet
advertising
requirements.
Okay,.
D
Okay,
okay,
all
right!
Well,
we
have
consensus.
Thank
you.
Okay.
I
think
we'll
just
take
a
five
minute
break.
If
that's
okay,
we'll
be
back
in
five
minutes
at
ten
till.
D
If
the
council
members
are
agreeable,
we're
going
to
move
the
agenda
item
up
to
on
for
the
conquistadors
presentation.
Okay,
is
everybody?
Okay
with
that
sure,
okay
and
then
we'll
do
the
comp
plan?
Okay,.
X
For
the
for
the
record
mitchell
lawson
city
of
pontogora
urban
design,
I
definitely
want
to
introduce
the
the
representatives
from
the
conquistadors
here
in
a
moment,
but
I
did
want
to
preface
their
presentation
by
saying
that
city
staff
has
been
in
communication
with
their
group
for
the
past
couple
of
years.
X
X
C
Good
morning,
good
morning,
good
morning,
as
mitchell
said,
we
have
been
working
on
this
for
quite
some
time.
C
I
really
didn't
realize
it
until
last
night,
when
I
started
looking
at
my
notes-
and
I
thought
whoa-
a
lot
of
time
has
passed
from
the
beginning
to
where
we
are
right
now,
but
as
of
today,
we're
very
very
happy
to
present
a
gift
to
the
city
and
hope
that
we
can
work
with
the
the
the
city
in
regards
to
the
on
park
renovations
in
order
to
enhance
and
even
and
make
it
bigger
better
than
we
already
have.
So
without
any
further
ado.
C
Thank
you.
Technology.
C
We've
been
involved
in
the
community
for
a
long
long
time,
you've
seen
our
ship
that's
walked
or
been
paraded
throughout.
The
community.
We've
been
very,
very
involved
in
a
wide
variety
of
different
things.
One
of
our
things
that
we're
most
proud
of
is
the
scholarships
that
we
provide
to
the
three
high
schools
in
the
area
and
every
year
we
make
a
very,
very
nice
presentation,
and
I
know
the
kids
that
receive
those
are
always
very,
very
happy
to
get
that,
and
I
can
tell
you
from
a
personal
standpoint.
C
After
putting
my
two
nieces
through
college,
every
every
dollar
counts,
so
yeah,
it's
college,
isn't
isn't
cheap
anymore,
so
anything
that
they
receive
is
is
always
very,
very
much
appreciated.
C
We've
been
giving
back
since
we
were
conceived
in
1979,
the
we've
organized
in
82
and
they
basically
incorporated
in
84
and
we've
been
involved
in
a
wide
variety
of
things,
and
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
go
through
all
the
different
things
that
we
have
been,
and
this
is
just
a
brief
sampling
of
what
we
as
an
organization,
has
been
giving
back
to
the
city
for
a
long
long
time.
C
But
we're
proud
of
our
involvement,
we're
very,
very
active
and
that
we
want
to
continue
to
create
better,
bigger
and
better
things
for
the
for
the
community
and
we've.
We've
have
a
number
of
things
coming
up
that
we're
planning
and
we
just
to
continue
to
strive
to
make
make
the
area
bigger
better
and
happy
for
everybody.
C
As
you
know,
the
gilchrist
park
proudly
displays
our
ponce
de
leon
statue
that
sits
there
and
we're
quite
proud
of
that
and
as
a
person
who
likes
to
walk
that
area
a
lot,
I'm
always
surprised
to
see
the
number
of
people
that
stop
and
look
and
and
just
just
take
a
look
at
what
we,
what
we've,
what
we've
done
and
it's
just
kind
of
a
nice
thing,
but
the
ponce
leone
park
really
gets
his
name
from
the
original
explorer
of
of
florida
and
back
in
1513
april.
C
That's
the
route
that
he
took
during
that
period
of
time.
I'm
sorry,
is
there
a
there's
something
going
on
here.
That's
background
noise.
There's.
C
It's
the
weevils.
Maybe
it
was
feedback
or
something
anyway.
So
sorry,
folks,
whoever
I'm
insulting
here,
but
you
can
see
the
route
that
he
took,
and
so
we
get
our
start
from
that
point.
But
back
in
1521
is
when
he
actually
tried
to
make
a
settlement
somewhere
in
this
area.
C
Now
you
can
get
debates
from
now
until
whenever
of
exactly
where
that
is
and
when,
if
you
find
out
the
exact
location,
please
let
us
all
know
because
we'd
really
like
to
do
but
suspicion
is
that
it
was
around
this
area,
charlotte,
harbor
or
somewhere
in
that
area,
and
we're
coming
up
on
the
500th
anniversary
of
that
particular
event,
and
I
can
honestly
say
that
he
was
the
very
first
snowbird
that
came
here
in
1531..
C
So
if
nothing
else
we'll
give
him
a
plaque
for
that.
C
But
history
lives
on
and,
as
I
said,
it's
the
500th
anniversary
marking
the
upcoming
trying
to
make
a
settlement
here,
but
unfortunately,
for
a
various
number
of
reasons.
This
didn't
work
out
now
we
have
the
park
and
it
was
dedicated
in
1970.
It's
a
place
for
boating
walking.
C
We,
the
conquistadors,
usually
utilize
it
a
lot
for
picnics
and
just
a
great
place
to
just
go
out
and
just
enjoy,
but
some
of
the
relics
that
we
have
in
the
70s
from
the
70s
tell
the
story
in
today's
park
and
some
of
them
possibly
need
a
little
updating,
some
things
that
are
there.
C
So
we've
seen
some
exciting
plans
that
have
been
considered
to
date.
Nothing
is
concrete
by
any
means
the
imagination,
but
at
least
we
know
that
we're.
You
know
we
have
something
that
we
can
start
on
and
making
some
additions
to
the
park
in
order
to
make
it
nicer.
Some
seawall
improvements
are
already
started.
The
boardwalk
and
pier
are
already
started
or
planned.
C
I
should
say-
and
those
are
great
things
but
we'd
like
to
add
one
more
thing
to
that,
and
that
would
be
we'd
like
to
present
the
bronze
statue
that
we
have
now.
The
folks
on
tv
can't
see
that,
but
it's
about
three
three
feet
tall,
it's
solid
bronze
and
we
have
some
plans
for
that.
We'd
like
to
go
into
detail
on
that.
C
So
we
have
it's
named
after
obviously
the
namesake
for
the
park
and
courtesy
of
our
resident
artist,
patty
pressler.
She
did
that
beautiful
painting
that
you
see
over
there
in
the
corner
underneath
the
screen
and
that's
the
the
concept
of
what
we're
looking
at
now.
To
give
you
an
idea.
The
bust,
as
I
said,
is
about
three
feet:
we're
looking
at
putting
up
a
a
pyramid,
style
oops,
wait
a
second,
let's
go
back
here,
oh
well!
C
There
we
go,
I'm
figuring
it
out
here.
The
total
should
be
about
10
feet
from
top
to
bottom.
Now,
we're
looking
at
an
idea
of
possibly
elevating
that
just
a
little
bit
more,
but
you
get
the
idea
so
it'll
be
something
that
you
know
is
there
invisible
and,
and
people
can
appreciate
that,
but
what
we're
also
looking
at
is
also
putting
a
bronze
plaque
on
that
now.
This
is
an
example.
This
is
an
example.
This
is
not
the
bronze
plaque.
C
We
haven't
even
decided
that,
but
it
will
some
be
something
very,
very
brief,
descriptive
and
basically
just
telling
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
of
a
story.
C
What
we
plan
on
doing,
though,
in
order
to
enhance
that
even
more
because
as
a
former
history
teacher
I
enjoy
that,
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
want
to
try
to
do
is
add
qr
codes
to
it.
One
of
the
things
we'll
do
is
try
to
give
a
story
of
poster
leon
of
the
spanish
conquistadors
of
the
colusa,
indians
and
other
explorers
of
this
area.
C
So
it's
just
not
one
particular
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
highlighting,
but
it's
a
wide
variety
of
things
that
we
can
do
in
order
to
tell
the
story.
The
complete
story,
the
beautiful
part
of
that
qr
code
is
the
fact
that
we
can
change
it.
Add
it
delete
it.
Do
a
wide
variety
of
things
in
order
to
keep
it
updated
and
and
current,
and
that
to
me
is,
is
one
of
the
important
or
asp
one
of
the
best
aspects
of
a
qr
code.
C
The
other
part
is
that
we
are
aiming
it
toward
the
adult
reader
and
also
to
the
child
that
is
interested
in
that
type
of
thing.
I'm
a
former
seventh
and
eighth
grade
history
teacher.
So
that's
that's
where
I
like
to
try
to
aim
things,
because
if
you
catch
the
kids
early
regarding
history,
usually
they're
hooked
over
over
a
long
period
of
time,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
try
to
do
is
keep
it
at
different
levels,
so
that
people
can
enjoy
the
the
full
story.
C
We've
looked
over
the
park
and
the
one
area
that
seems
to
be
perfect,
for
it
is,
as
you
enter
the
park,
it
would
be,
as
you
came
down
the
road
just
directly
to
the
right
across
from
the
the
animal
center
right
in
this
area.
Here.
C
And
so
the
suggested
idea
of
placing
it-
and
this
is
not
just
in
concrete
at
all-
because
it's
a
gift
to
you
and
and
obviously
you
would
have
the
final
say
on
exactly
where
that
would
be,
but
it
would
just
work
out
beautifully
because
it's
away
from
the
traffic
it's
in
a
non-utilized
area
and
also
it
would
have
the
the
capability
catching
everyone's
eye,
as
they
first
came
in
plus
there's
a
walkway
that
goes
right
past
it.
So
it's
a
win-win
all
the
way
around
yet
standing
alone.
C
The
need
to
enhance
it
to
make
it
a
bolder
statement
to
draw
the
eye.
We
need
to
work
with
the
city
in
regards
to
having
it
placed
in
a
proper
area
and
what
we're
looking
at-
and
this
is
just
some
random
drawings.
What
you
know
could
be
done,
but
placing
the
monument
in
an
area
that's
surrounded
by
either
a
brush
concrete
barrier,
something
to
protect
it.
That
type
of
thing
would
be
something
that
we
hope
that
we
could
work
with
the
city
and
the
city.
In
regards
to
that.
C
This
is
another
concept
once
again
placing
the
monument
in
the
center
of
it
and
then
having
some
type
of
architectural
or
landscape
architect
situated
around
it
in
order
to
enhance
it,
because,
basically,
if
you
have
this
just
sitting
out
in
the
middle
of
the
road
or
in
the
middle
of
the
the
grass
area,
it's
it's
going
to
lose
a
lot
of
its
impact.
C
C
C
And
basically,
what
we're
looking
at
is
searching
for
a
home
for
it
in
porcellion
park.
Oh
one,
other
thing
too,
in
2013
2013
during
the
quincentennial
of
the
discovery
of
florida
by
ponce
de
leon,
it
was
designated.
C
The
park
was
designated
as
a
tourist
destination,
so
hopefully
this
might
be
something
else
that
could
be
beneficial
to
the
city
in
itself,
and
the
other
part
would
be
that
if
we
could
work
it
so
that
the
we
could
put
this
up
for
the
500th
anniversary
of
ponce
posterior's
attempt
to
settle
this
area
would
even
be
better.
C
So
possibly
these
are
types
of
things
that
we
wish
for
you,
folks
to
consider
and
we'd
like
to
try
to
incorporate
it
into
the
500th
anniversary
of
ponce
de
leon,
trying
to
develop
this
area
and
and
settle
it,
and
we
we
hope
that
you
will
enjoy
the
the
marker
or
the
monument
and
and
what
we
have
gifted
to
you
folks
and
that's
pretty
much.
It.
D
I
It's
just
a
comment
that
I
I
forwarded
to
cancel
all
the
information
that
we've
received
from
the
mayor
of
santa
barste
campos
in
spain
that
inviting
the
city
to
participate
with
them
in
spain,
on
whatever
events
they
have
and
and
celebrating,
but
they're
celebrating
the
death
of
of
not
they're,
not
celebrating
500
years.
Since
he
came
here
to
settle,
let.
I
I
So
I
I
gave
I
forwarded
copies
if,
if
any
of
council
members
wish
to
participate,
that's
certainly
something
that
I
think.
I
Yesterday
are
very
interested
in
this.
I've
had
multiple
conversations
with
lindsey
harrington,
also
with
jean
and
teresa
murtha,
who
from
the
penal
court
history
center
they're
very,
very
interested
as
well.
So
I
think
that
we,
we
can
have
a
we're
waiting
to
hear
back
from
the
mayor
of
santa
rosa
campos
to
see
what
they
have
to
say
and
certainly
can
continue
the
communication,
and
it
we
probably
depending
on
how
cove
it
is
and
whatever
could
have
a
a
delegation
of
people
that
would
road.
True.
I
Yeah
and
they
have,
they
actually
have
a
museum,
a
ponce
de
leon
museum
over
there,
and
he
he
is
quite
the
celebrated
figure
in
santa
bosa
campos.
So
well,
I'm
sure
more
to
follow.
I
I
don't
know
how
staff
is
you
know
coming
with
the
plans,
you
know
what
they're
thinking
about
since
we're
not
going
to
be
having
the
the
wildlife
center
in
ponce
de
leon
park,
but
I
would
certainly
support
this
and,
in
replacement
of
the
other
statues
that
we
have
in
the
park
of
ponds,
I
think
one
statue
like
this
in
a
prominent
position
is
would
be.
D
Well,
it's
certainly
classier
and
more
elegant
and
a
little
more
up
to
current
what
we'd
like
to
see
in
our
parks.
So
what
one
of.
D
C
Hold
on
to
him
for
safe
people
for
the
time
being,
actually,
we've
been
talking
to
the
military
heritage
museum
and
they
would
like
to
exhibit
it,
and
so
we
are
in
the
process
of
trying
to
determine
where
how
and
when,
in
order
to
do
that,
it's
heavy!
It's
it's!
It's
a
big
boy.
You
saw
our
guys
laboring
to
get
in
here
with
it,
but
it's
it's
it's
heavy!
C
It's
it's
solid
and
oh,
by
the
way,
from
a
standpoint
of
and
I'd
hate,
to
bring
up
the
negatives,
but
with
some
of
the
people
with
currently
tearing
down
statues
and
that
type
of
thing.
The
way
we
have
this
designed
is
you're.
C
Gonna
have
to
bring
a
real
big
truck
to
tear
this
down
because
of
the
support
system
on
the
interior,
which
will
be
all
stainless
steel
cladded
with
granite
on
the
outside
and
we've
chosen
granite
by
the
way,
for
the
simple
reason
that
there
are
other
types
of
stone
which
are
a
lot
less
expensive,
but
the
granite
itself.
If
you
try
to
spray
paint
it
or
do
something
to
it,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
clean.
C
If
you
want
to
try
to
chip
at
it,
everything
you
can,
you
can
chip
anything,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
of
an
effort
to
do
something
like
that
and,
as
I
said,
trying
to
tear
it
down
with
the
structural
interior
that
we
have
for
this
is
going
to
be
a
thing,
which
is
one
thing
that
we'd
like
to
work
with
the
city,
engineer
and
and
architects
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
base
is
is
solidly
put
and
also
that
we
have,
we
have
to
be
concerned
with
water,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
thinking
the
10
feet
that
we
have
as
of
right
now
for
the
base
to
to
the
total
top.
C
C
No,
no,
it's
not,
but
it
would
be
the
type
of
thing
that,
if
you
want
to
make
it
is
as
classy
as
possible.
This
would
be
the
you
know
the
the
the
way
that
we're
considering,
because
we're
trying
to
enhance
the
park,
we're
trying
to
make
it
into
something
of
a
wow
factor,
and
if
you
just
have
this
located
there,
it
it's
it'll,
be
okay
and
we
could
probably
develop
some
type
of
base
to
it.
But
you
want
to
try
to
have
a
wow
factor
of
nothing
else.
C
Thank
you
for
the
clarify,
yeah
and
and
to
take
it
one
step
further.
I
grew
up
with
a
guy
who
is
a
landscape
architect
in
the
pittsburgh
area,
very,
very,
very
well,
respected
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
I
showed
him
actually
the
paintings
and
that
type
of
thing
when
he
was
done
a
few
months
back
and
he
said
no,
what
you
need
to
have
is
now
something
else
in
order
to
make
it
a
wow
factor,
and
that's
that's
that's
basically
what
he
does
for
a
living
is
making
something
into
something.
C
D
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
We
appreciate
the
contribution
to
the
city
and
we'll
look
forward
to
getting
that
project
put
together
and
with
city
staff.
I'm
sure
you
can
work
all
the
logistics
and
details
out
in
the
future
sounds
great.
That's
that's
all
we're
asking
great
yeah!
Thank
you!
Okay.
D
Okay,
we
have
a
fairly
lengthy
presentation
coming
up,
so
we've
got
to
keep
things
moving
here,
because
we
have
a
time
sensitive
issue
later
on
on
the
agenda
that
we
must
address.
So
we
now
have
the
presentation
for
the
the
2021
update
to
the
punta
gorda
comprehensive
plan.
2040.
P
Wonderful,
can
everyone
hear
me
and
see
our
presentation.
D
P
Okay,
great
I'll,
just
quickly
introduce
myself
and
congratulations
to
mayor
matthews
and
vice
mayor
kerry
for
their
appointments
today,
and
thank
you
to
all
the
council
members
for
having
us
here
having
us
back
my
name's
louise
alete,
I'm
a
project
manager
with
dover,
colon
partners
working
on
the
comprehensive
plan,
update
and
I'll
quickly
have
bill.
Spakowski
and
victor
dover
introduce
themselves
before
we
get
started.
P
Y
Good
morning,
council
members,
this
is
victor
dover-
glad
to
see
this
next
step
and
standing
by
here
for
any
questions
you
might
have
in
my
direction.
Louisa
and
bill
have
this
well
in
hand.
D
Q
Sure
I'll
introduce
myself
good
morning,
commissioners,
I'm
justin
wallace
and
I'm
assisting
luisa
with
the
punta
gorda
project.
Comprehensive
plan
update
nice
to
meet
you.
P
P
So
with
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
with
the
presentation
and
we'll
try
to
go
as
quickly
as
possible,
we
know
this
is
a
busy
morning,
so
I
just
want
to
go
quickly
through
the
timeline.
We've
had
a
lot
of
milestones
to
get
us
to
this
point,
which
is
the
presentation
of
the
first
draft
of
the
comprehensive
plan
changes.
P
So
we
kicked
off
this
pro
project
back
in
march
and
we
had
a
series
of
city
council
interviews
and
then
we
went
on
to
our
kind
of
a
preliminary
outline,
an
assessment
phase.
P
We
completed
an
assessment
of
the
existing
comprehensive
plan
after
that
in
june,
we
worked
on
a
comprehensive,
annotated
outline
to
go
through
all
the
changes
we
were
posing
to
make
after
that
in
july,
we
completed
the
preliminary
draft
comprehensive
plan
and
that
was
circulated
with
staff
and
workshopped
a
bit
all
leading
us
to
the
first
draft
of
the
comprehensive
plan
at
the
very
beginning
of
october
and
I'll
say
that
at
the
end
of
september
and
beginning
of
october,
we've
also
been
holding
some
technical
review
meetings
with
different
state
agencies
and
local
regional
planning
agencies
too,
and
I'll
go
through
what
some
of
those
meetings
are,
and
so
that
takes
us
to
today
november
1st,
we're
presenting
this
to
you
all
and
following
this
presentation
there
will
be
a
public
comment
period
after
that
public
comment
period,
we'll
be
incorporating
community
feedback
staff
feedback
council
feedback,
as
well
as
feedback
from
the
different
agencies
that
we
have.
P
Now,
following
the
transmitted
copy
of
the
draft
of
the
comprehensive
plan
changes,
the
state
will
have
a
60-day
comment
period
to
review
that
so
we're
looking
for
a
final
adoption
sometime
in
april
2021
now,
because
some
of
these
agencies
have
already
been
reviewing
the
draft
versions
of
the
document.
Hopefully,
that
might
expedite
that
60-day
comment
period.
A
bit.
P
So
this
is
the
second
part
of
a
three-phase
project.
We
worked
on
the
2019
citywide
master
plan,
which
has
helped
inform
some
of
the
changes
we're
proposing
for
the
comprehensive
plan
and
following
the
comprehensive
plan
we'll
be
working
on,
hopefully
working
on
the
updated
land,
development
regulations
and
a
forum
based
code.
P
P
We
had
a
technical
meeting
with
them
and
they
have
already
received
the
first
draft
as
well
and
are
reviewing
it
to
give
us
some
preliminary
feedback
that
we
can
already
incorporate
ahead
of
the
transmitted
copy.
We've
also
met
with
charlotte
county
planning
staff.
We
had
a
really
positive
meeting
with
them,
just
wanting
to
keep
them
up
to
date
on
the
changes
we're
making
to
see
where
they
are
in
their
process
as
well.
P
Updating
their
county,
comprehensive
plan,
we've
also
met
with
the
fdot
district
one
on
office
and
we're
going
to
continue
working
closely
with
them
to
start
establishing
the
assumptions
for
their
trafficked
impact
analysis
based
on
the
changes
we're
proposing
chart.
We've
also
met
with
the
charlotte
county,
puna,
gorda
transportation
planning
organization
and
we've
had
contact
as
well
with
the
south
florida.
P
So,
just
to
go
through
the
kinds
of
changes
we've
been
making
in
the
document,
there's
a
lot
of
housekeeping
items
and
updates
to
data
and
analysis
that
we've
done
throughout
the
chapters
that
includes
integrating
the
most
up-to-date
planning
efforts
and
recent
city
plans
that
have
happened
since
the
previous
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
updating
any
relevant
state
county
federal
city
legislation.
P
That
may
have
changed.
Since
the
last
update
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
We've
updated
some
of
the
data
tables
with
more
recent
demographic
data
and
information
based
on
the
bureau
of
economic
and
business
research
from
the
university
of
florida.
Any
of
the
analysis
that
was
done
by
partners
of
economic
solutions
as
a
part
of
the
citywide
master
plan.
We've
also
incorporated,
do
not
yet
have
the
2020
2020
census
data
available.
P
P
So
I'll
go
through
each
chapter
and
kind
of
highlight
the
key
changes
that
have
been
made
so
starting
with
coastal
management.
The
coastal
management
element
overall
we've
been
incorporating
the
concepts
from
the
citywide
master
plan,
where
relevant
and,
like
I
said,
updating
those
housekeeping
items
and
data
and
information.
P
So
in
terms
of
water
access,
we've
updated
the
public
access
areas
and
inventory
of
different
facilities,
as
well
as
the
future
needs.
We've
incorporated
the
recommendations
from
the
boater's
alliance
harbor
a
waterfront
master
plan
from
2018..
P
D
D
P
So
here
is
the
map
changes,
we're
proposing.
You
can
see
on
the
left,
the
previous
map,
that
was
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
proposed
map
we've
now
included.
The
proposed
map
shows
existing
facilities
in
blue
and
then
potential
future
facilities,
and
again
this
was
based
on
recommendations
from
the
citywide
master
plan
and
also
the
boaters
alliance.
Waterfront
master
plan
as
well,
and
you
can
see
you
know
kind
of
clearly
where
we're
proposing
new
potential
future
facilities
and
again
emphasis
on
potential
future
facilities.
P
This
is
you
know,
desirable
future
facilities.
P
P
For
the
historic
element
we
updated
the
historic
resources
survey
to
show
the
more
recent
surveys
done:
an
inventory
of
historic
resources
since
the
previous
comprehensive
plan.
P
We've
also
added
more
analysis
based
on
pes's
economic
development
and
budgetary
analysis
that
was
completed
as
the
part
of
the
citywide
master
plan
that
includes
new
demographic
data,
housing,
inventory
data,
household
trends,
migration
patterns
and
housing,
market
forecast
information,
we've
also
updated
any
data
and
tables
associated
with
that
information
and
according
to
more
updated
demographic
data
from
the
bureau
of
economic
business
research
and
the
american
community
survey
and
we've
also
included.
Like
I
mentioned
previously,
an
update
to
the
historic
resources
survey.
P
For
the
transportation
element,
we've
clarified
and
expanded
some
policy
language
to
include
provisions
for
low-stress
bicycle
facilities.
According
to
the
2019
citywide
master
plan,
top
priorities,
we've
added
policies
to
implement
traffic,
calming
measures
and
complete
street
standards
in
new
street
improvement
projects.
We've
also
introduced
the
concept
of
constrained
corridors
in
a
map
which
I'll
show
shortly,
as
well
as
the
concept
of
fdot
context
classifications.
P
That's
also
a
new
map,
additional
maps
that
we've
added
are
updating
the
future
bicycle
facilities,
map
we've,
also
added
a
map
for
future
trails,
specifically
multi-use
trails
and
future
roadway
network
and
I'll
share.
Those
with
you
now
so
here
is
the
recommended
trails
network
future
trails
network.
This
shows
both
the
existing
multi-use
trail
network
and
a
proposed
expansion
of
the
trail
network
in
the
future,
and
this
again
is,
according
to
the
maps
that
were
included
in
the
citywide
master
plan.
P
It
it
goes
hand
in
hand
with
the
context
classification
map,
which
the
city
which
city
staff
have
been
working
on
even
prior
to
the
citywide
master
plan.
So
that
map
has
now
been
incorporated
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
again
reinforces
the
idea
that
the
design
of
state
facilities
and
larger
roadways,
both
minor
arterials
and
principle,
materials
and
collectors,
should
be
designed
in
response
to
the
actual
context
of
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
P
For
the
future
land
use
element,
we've
included
quite
a
bit
of
changes.
This
is
where
we
focused
a
lot
of
our
effort
in
addition
to
transportation,
and
this
is
mostly
to
address
the
recommendations
from
the
citywide
master
plan
to
allow
for
what
we
call
missing
middle
housing
and
that
we
should
be
calibrating
density
to
allow
for
these
housing
types
that
have
historically
existed
in
puna
gorda
and
which
would
more
closely
match
the
needs
of
the
local
workforce.
P
So
we've
established
some
new
land
use
categories,
also
attempting
to
simplify
the
land,
use
categories
ahead
of
future
land
use
regulation
changes,
we've
also
clarified
and
expanded
the
policy
language
related
to
transfer
of
development
rights.
This
is
also
something
we
had
done
in
the
coastal
management
section.
P
We've
included
some
additional
analysis
that
was
completed
by
pes
as
a
part
of
the
citywide
master
plan,
we've
added
their
analysis
on
annexation
and
real
real
estate
market
trends
to
the
analysis
section
of
the
future
land
use
element
in
terms
of
overlays
and
historic
districts.
We've
clarified
throughout
the
the
document,
the
difference
between
an
overlay
and
a
district,
so
it
all
reads
as
overlay
unless
it's
unless
it's,
unless
it's
referencing
as
a
specific
historic
district,
so
every
other
overlay
is
simply
an
overlay.
P
P
So
here
you
can
see
the
previous
historic
districts
and
again
these
are
national
registered
districts
based
on
the
national
register
of
historic
properties.
We've
proposed
changing
that,
based
on
the
new
survey
and
the
creation
of
a
local
register
of
historic
districts
that
doesn't
change
the
national
register
districts.
Those
still
exist.
P
So
here
you
can
see
the
previous
overlay
areas.
We
had
the
waterfront
overlay
area
in
blue
in
the
kind
of
dark
purple
is
the
medical
overlay
and
then
the
historic
overlay
in
green,
and
so
we've
updated.
Those
we've
eliminated
the
medical
overlay
and
instead
just
updated
the
underlying
land
use
category
in
that
area,
and
we've
added
the
interchange,
commercial
overlay
in
the
jones
loop,
road
annexation
area
and
included
a
maker
overlay
as
well
to
encourage
more
production,
distribution
and
repair
type
uses
and
some
artisan
and
maker
uses
and
then
just
updated.
P
We've
also
updated
the
existing
land
use
map
and
it'll
be
very
difficult
to
actually
see
where
the
changes
are,
but
I'll
mention
that
in
all
the
maps,
we've
updated
the
city
boundary
to
reflect
the
current
city
boundary
with
the
annexations
that
have
taken
place
since
the
previous
comprehensive
plan
and
we've
updated.
The
existing
land
uses
based
on
the
more
recent
data
available
from
charlotte
county's
property
assessment.
P
Now,
for
the
future
land
use
map,
here
you
can
see
the
changes
we've
made
on
the
left
is
the
previous
future
land
use
map
and
on
the
right
is
the
proposed
changes
to
the
future
land
use
map.
So
here
you
can
see
that
most
of
the
changes
are
focused
in
and
around
the
downtown
and
the
traditional
historic
neighborhoods
around
downtown,
as
well
as
the
jones
loop
area.
P
So
I'll
go
we'll
be
going
through
those
in
more
specifics
just
so,
you
can
see
exactly
where
the
changes
have
happened
and
where
they
happen.
So
a
is
that
you
know
kind
of
greater
downtown
area
and
b
is
the
jones
loop
road
area
that
has
been
updated.
P
P
P
P
P
We
know
that
you
got
comments
on
the
citywide
master
plan
that
we
didn't
necessarily
want
to
define
this
area
one
way
or
another,
whether
it
was
going
to
allow
residential
or
be
solely
focused
on
commercial,
so
we've
left
it
basically
as
its
own
category
per
the
interlocable
agreement
and
the
annexation
agreement
that
was
put
in
place,
and
then
you
know
whatever
developments
should
come
as
a
result
in
the
future.
P
P
Z
Thank
you,
luisa.
Just
keep
your
screen
up
and
if
you
just
advance
the
slides
for
me,
I
want
to
talk
about
those
four
designations
that
are
in
the
greater
downtown
area
and
a
little
bit
about
density
for
each
of
them,
and
the
existing
density
caps
are
really
come
from
1988
and
89.
When
charlotte
county
was
the
first
county
in
the
state
to
meet
the
new
growth
management
rules,
and
at
that
point
in
think
back
in
our
history
down,
our
downtowns
were
not
doing
well.
Z
The
idea
of
people
wanting
to
live
downtown
wasn't
even
considered
as
as
anything
likely
so
what
we
have
happened
in
pune,
gordon
and
many
other
places,
our
density
levels
set
very,
very
low
for
the
downtown
and
near
town
neighborhoods,
and
just
because
that
seemed
right
at
the
time.
But
it's
not
right
today.
Z
Also,
we
find
that
one,
a
gorgeous
historic
neighbors,
have
examples
of
older
buildings
that
predated
that,
often
by
many
decades,
that
are
really
fit
great
in
our
supplement,
the
housing
types
but
wouldn't
be
allowed
today,
and
so
we're
trying
to
correct
that
problem
as
well
as,
of
course,
making
sure
that
the
comprehensive
plan
designations
of
density
fit
with
everything
else
in
all
the
other
goals
and
policies
that
are
in
the
conference
by
making
sure
the
numbers
match
the
words
next.
Z
So
what
we're
recommending
is
a
net
residential
density
of
up
to
35
units
per
acre,
and
I
want
to
stress
that
the
way
the
plan
is
written,
all
the
numbers,
I've
given
you
are
the
very
highest
density
that
could
be
allowed
anywhere
within
the
in
this
case
the
downtown
district.
It
doesn't
mean
that
this
is
allowed
everywhere
in
downtown
district.
Z
The
the
finer
grain
density
rules
are
in
the
land
development
regulations,
but
the
comprehensive
land
has
to
have
a
cap
that
applies
to
every
person.
So
this
is
the
maximum
number
and
to
give
you,
I've
got
a
few
examples
of
to
give
you
an
idea
what
that
number
looks
like
it
feels
like,
and
some
off
center
is
actually
only
17
growing
units
per
acre
just
under
an
acre
of
land
and
that
the
reason
there's
a
building
that
large
with
such
a
low
density,
is
just
that
because
of
your
density
caps
in
the
current
plan.
Z
The
second
and
third
stories
couldn't
be
residential
at
all.
Their
offices
and
even
the
fourth
floor,
had
to
have
fewer
and
larger
units
than
would
have
been
planned
by
the
developer,
so
so
for
purposes
of
thinking
of
this.
In
terms
of
the
new
plan.
Think
of
the
if
the
second
and
third
stars
actually
had
been
built
with
residential
instead
of
the
same
size
units
that
would
that
building
would
be
about
32
units
per
acre
and
the
second
and
third
stories
were
with
smaller
units.
It
could
maybe
be
as
high
as
45.
Z
Next.
I
have
another
example
here
from
from
the
west
coast,
but
in
a
community
with
a
lot
of
similarities
to
punta
gorda
and
also
right
on
the
edge
of
the
best
downtown.
This
is
in
livermore,
california.
Z
This
is
a
site,
that's
an
entire
entire
block,
surrounded
by
streets
on
all
four
sides,
and
it
has
a
few
buildings,
a
couple
of
three
stories
and
the
larger
building
and
four
stories
has
a
fair
amount
of
commercial
use,
and
this
is
55
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
the
reason.
This
is
a
couple
reasons
why
this
is
so
high.
One
is
there's
a
lot
of
smaller
units
that
are
including
studio
and
one-bedroom
apartments
and
I'll
show
you
on
the
site
plan
on
the
next
slide.
Z
The
other
reason
that
the
density
is
pretty
high
for
a
building,
so
here
here's
the
site,
I'm
looking
down
on
the
four
acres
and
you
see
on
the
large
building
to
the
left,
which
is
the
tall
building.
You
can
see
the
top
level
of
a
parking
garage,
so
there's
an
entire
parking
garage
embedded
within
that
building
and
so
there's
very
little
land
equipped
with
surface
parking.
You
know
just
ordinary
one-level
parking
lots,
so
that's
the
other
reason
that
the
density
it
was
able
to
get
pretty
high
on
this
property.
Z
The
third
example
next
slide
is,
basically
you
know,
concept
plans
for
downtown
putin
and
gordon
that
we
have
created
during
your
city-wide
master
plan.
Those
of
you
who
are
involved
deeply
will
certainly
remember
of
the
different
options
that
were
considered
for
your
city
marketplace
site
and
this
site
is
a
little
larger
than
the
livermore
site.
But
again
it's
a
large
site,
a
large
block,
surrounded
by
streets
on
all
sides,
in
this
case
5.4
acres.
So
the
left
version
there
are
two
options
presented
just
for
consideration.
Z
The
version
on
the
right
has
a
lot
of
similarities,
but
the
tallest
building
is
six
stories
instead
of
four,
and
by
getting
that
extra
height,
they
were
able
to
provide
the
public
class
that
you
see,
on
the
right
hand,
diagram
in
the
lower
left
corner.
Z
Z
Now
this
actually
is
option
two,
the
higher
density
option,
but
the
building
you
see
there
facing
marion
is
exactly
the
same
building
in
both
scenarios,
the
only
difference
is
the
place
on
the
left
would
have
a
building
in
option
one,
but
you
can
see
how
the
regardless
of
the
overall
density
cap
in
the
comprehensive
plan
through
your
land
development
code,
you
can
do
what
was
done
here,
which
was
to
say,
you
know,
on
marion.
The
buildings
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
are
single
story.
Z
Okay,
let's
go
on
to
the
next
one,
which
is
the
second
category
louise,
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
village
center.
This
is
the
number
you
see
the
number
twos,
the
two
small
number
two
labels
in
in
sort
of
the
pink
and
the
the
westerly
one.
It's
the
fisherman's
village
area
goes
down
to
west
olympia
and
east
as
far
as
sheree
street
and
the
one
off
to
the
right
off
to
the
east
is
around
bayfront.
Z
Health
includes
the
bayford
health
campus
itself
and
also
the
properties
from
east
marion
to
just
south
of
east
olympia
that
are
mixed
commercial
uses
between
downtown
and
bay
front.
So
we
basically
are
suggesting
a
single
category
for
both
of
these,
because
the
the
general
scale
and
regulations
we
think
would
be
very
similar,
even
though
one
is
medical
and
one
is
more
tourist
oriented
next
slide.
Z
Basically,
these
are
also
walkable
mixed-use
areas,
but
but
less
intense
than
your
main
downtown
core,
but
they're
on
a
nice
street
grid
just
ideal
strength,
grid
for
walkability
and
already
have
interesting
development
within
them.
So
there's
smaller
mixed
use,
centers
outside
the
downtown
pole
and
we're
proposing
here
and
the
absolute
highest
density
that
could
be
anywhere
in
the
village
center,
would
be
30
dwelling
units
per
acre.
Now
I'll
give
you
two
examples
just
to
sort
of
get
a
feel
for
what
that
is.
The
first
one
is
fisherman's
village
itself.
Z
The
upper
story
has
47
units,
and-
and
so
if
you
measure
that
across
the
entire
property
that
is
only
10
units
per
acre
now,
if
the
whole,
if
the
ground
level,
instead
of
being
commercial
and
residential,
then
it
would
be
around
20
units
per
acre,
so
so
fisherman's
village
is
is
lower
than
the
maximum
possible
density
of
30
that
you
see
here.
I
want
to
give
you
another
example,
and
this
is
an
existing
development
in
atlanta,
near
georgia,
tech
and
there's.
Z
Actually,
you
see
one
building
and
there's
actually
six
or
seven
buildings
on
the
site,
a
couple
of
blocks
in
size-
and
this
is
all
on
nearly
all
residential
there's
a
coffee
shop.
But
it's
interesting
even
though
it's
not
mostly
commercial
on
the
ground
floor,
the
ground
level
is
active
because
of
those
stoops
people
come
and
go
come
and
go
there.
It's
not
like
a
dead
front.
It's
actually
an
attractive
urban
frontage
there.
Z
Z
The
west
side
really
goes
from
downtown
to
the
around
harvey
street
to
village
center
around
shreve
street
and
the
the
easterly
portion
goes
off
to
the
southeast
sort
of
everything
east
of
elizabeth
street.
Z
Parts
of
these
would
be
actually
designated
as
historic
districts
and
apart
not,
but
the
idea
is
to
keep
these
as
primarily
residential
area,
but
not
limited
only
to
single
family
homes
to
introduce
and
reintroduce
some
other
housing
types
in
the
same
area
that
are
of
the
same,
the
same
sort
of
physical
scale
of
a
large
house
and
not
not
massive
buildings
but
all
pedestrian-oriented.
So
the
maximum
density
that
would
be
allowed
anywhere
here
under
our
proposal
is
25
units
per
acre.
Z
The
a
couple
examples
are
in
this
picture:
existing
buildings
in
their
city,
215
goldstein
street,
actually
has
a
higher
density
than
would
be
allowed,
but
again
is
a
relatively
small
scale,
building
providing
smaller
units
that
would
be
really
desirable
in
any
city,
particularly
with
the
aging
population,
and
also
particularly
for
younger
people,
single-family
single-person,
households
primarily
and
then
on
15th
street,
a
duplex
of
22
units,
breaker
new
construction,
and
we
see
that
would
also
fit
within
this
25
per
acre
cap.
Z
Next
we
have
another
example
of
another
one
back
in
atlanta,
which
is
a
larger
property.
You
know
five
block
complete
total
redevelopment
about
10
or
15
years
ago,
which
has
a
fair
amount
of
commercial
space
in
it
and
has
a
really
wide
variety
of
residential
units,
all
the
way
from
single
family
homes,
on
small
lots,
two
row
houses
and
then
actually
two
and
three,
and
I
think,
maybe
even
some
four-story
small
apartment
buildings.
Z
So
next
slide,
please,
the
the
densities
within
this
larger
site
on
the
photo
on
the
left
are
the
small
lot
single
family
homes.
These
are
all
new
construction
by
the
way,
even
though
some
of
these
look
old,
the
density
of
the
small
lot
single
family
on
the
left
photo
is
around
10
units
per
acre
and
the
most
intense
buildings.
Z
Z
But
there
is
the
opportunity
on
some
of
the
unused
parcels
for
a
residential
development,
perhaps
something
like
this
from
301
west
henry,
which
is
at
15
blowing
in
its
break
or
the
possibility
of
some
mixed-use
development
with
commercial
on
the
ground
level
and
residential
above
we
don't
see
this
area
becoming
mainly
residential
at
all.
It's
really
well
located
for
its
commercial
and
industrial
purposes,
but
we
think
there
could
be
some
residential
inserted,
particularly
around
the
around
the
edges,
and-
and
it
could
look
like
this-
this
is
a
15
units
per
acre.
Z
So
when
we
use
these
density
numbers
for
a
bunch
of
reasons,
one,
it's
they're
helpful
when
we're
determining
what
kind
of
water
and
sewer
capacity
you
need
for
new
development
and
what
kind
of
traffic
might
be
created
by
adding
development.
So
we
do
it
for
a
number
of
useful
reasons.
We
also
do
it
because
the
state
tells
us
we
have
to.
Z
Z
That's
also
the
very
same
density
and
then
the
diagram
lower
one
middle
to
the
right
is
sort
of
halfway
in
between
buildings,
of
maybe
three
stories
high
with
more
open
space
than
the
middle
one
and
less
than
the
one
on
the
far
left.
Z
So
that's
just
one
illustration
of
why
we
need
other,
even
though
we
have
to
have
density
caps
in
the
conference
without
why
they're
not
nearly
sufficient
to
create
the
community
you're
looking
for
next
slide,
another
way
to
look
at
another
way
to
look
at
density
and
though
in
trying
to
determine
what
different
kinds
of
development
are.
These
are
just
four
types
of
buildings
that
you
might
see
anywhere
in
florida
or
even
around
the
country
being
built
today.
Z
None
of
these
are
special
they're,
all
sort
of
standard
development
types,
and
on
the
the
left
side
you
see
single
family
homes,
which
can
actually
be
up
to
12
units
breaker.
The
ones
you
saw
in
glenwood
park
are
up
to
about
10.
Typically,
they
might
actually
be
in
in
gonna.
Gordon
might
be
three
or
four
or
five
or
six,
but
all
depends
on
the
size
of
the
lot.
When
we
have.
Z
The
newer
development
has
larger
lots
in
the
older
neighborhoods,
and
so
the
density
goes
down
the
second
one,
if
you,
if
you
start
adding
town
houses
or
duplexes
instead
and
having
some
units
touching
each
other
and
getting
rid
of
the
side
yards,
the
density
can
end
up
being
13
to
24
still
with
a
building.
That's
really
no
taller
than
a
sort
of
a
tall
house
that
might
be
built
anyway,
then,
as
you
start
moving
up
to
the
third
set
into
walk-up
apartments,
where
you
have
apartments
on
top
of
each
other.
Z
Z
Z
So
when
we
think
of
density,
it's
you
know
the
number
of
units
in
the
land
area,
but
the
other
factors
we're
talking
about.
I've
mentioned
a
few
of
these,
the
size
of
the
individual
units.
Are
they
studio
apartments,
or
are
they
three
bedroom
apartments
or
are
they
a
mix
of
all
of
those
and
that
dramatically
changes?
The
density
of
a
building
that
looks
identical?
Another
factor
is
just
the
height
of
the
ceilings
in
individual
units.
Z
Another
example
of
a
hypothetical
site,
the
same
size
site
the
same
size.
Building
four
stories
can
have
different
densities,
just
based
on
the
mix
of
the
dwelling
units
within
it.
So
the
left
version
has
small
and
large
units,
and
this
particular
setup
is
37
units
per
acre.
But
if
you
had
all
only
one
bedroom
units
and
no
two
and
three
bedroom
units,
the
identical
looking
building
is
49.
Z
Z
So,
in
closing,
I
just
want
to
talk
a
few
things
about
the
bigger
picture
on
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
land
development
regulations.
We're
doing
phase
two
here,
which
is
the
comprehensive
plan
talking
about
phase
three,
which
is
land
development
regulations.
So
you'll
always
understand
why
some
things
are
not
included
here.
The
comprehensive
plan
is
the
broad
policy
framework
and,
although
it
has
some
specific
regulations
like
density
on
the
whole
that
it's
not
the
place
for
the
specific
regulations,
the
land
developer
regulations
are
where
you
get
in
detail.
Z
So
the
conference
event
has
other
jobs
to
do.
Besides,
you
know
detailed
development
rules,
it's
it's
concerning
the
overall
pattern
of
growth
and
scale
in
the
city,
the
big
picture
rather
than
site
by
site,
and
it
deals
heavily
with
making
sure
that
you're
going
to
have
water
and
sewer
capacity
and
public
school
capacity
and
adequate
roads
for
new
development
and,
and
importantly,
it's
the
main
place
where
you
know
natural
amenities
are
set
aside
and
protected
from
incompatible
development
or
most
development
involved.
That's
the
comprehensive
plan's
job,
the
land
development
regulations.
Z
If
you
don't
like
your
zoning
district,
if
you're
a
developer-
and
you
want
to
subdivide
the
parcel
into
smaller
pieces,
it
tells
you
how
you
do
that
and
of
course
it
includes
building
codes
and
signs
and
landscaping
and
all
that
so
that
that's
this
is
the
state.
This
is
the
florida
state
mandated
system
that
we've
been
operating
under
since
the
late
1980s
next.
Z
Z
The
state
and
regional
agencies
have
60
days
to
comment,
and,
and
ultimately
they
can
challenge
your
changes
if
they
feel
you
haven't,
responded
to
their
comments,
so
they're
they're,
the
number
of
things
they're
concerned
with
are
smaller
than
it
was
before
about
10
years
ago,
when
the
state
law
changed
but
they're
still
concerned
about,
can
the
state
roads
accommodate
whatever
traffic
might
might
come?
Z
Have
you
shown
that
water,
sewage
and
drainage
facilities
can
can
handle
the
population
increase?
Are
your
public
schools
able
to
handle
any
increase,
so
they
look
at
those
things
carefully
and
also
they're,
always
looking
at
environmentally
vulnerable
lands
and
development
within
the
coastal
high
hazard
area,
which
you
have
in
space?
So
that's
what
the
state's
looking
at
and
they're
all
important
things
that
you
know
you're
looking
at
too,
but
somebody's
looking
over.
Your
shoulder
carefully
next
slide
now
on
the
land
development
regulations.
Z
The
state
doesn't
have
much
of
a
role
only
if
you
have
a
land
development
regulation
that
violates
your
own
comprehensive
plan,
would
they
ever
get
involved,
which
is
very
rare,
because
why
would
you
do
that?
If
you're
not
allowed
to
do
that
so
you're
here
you're
talking
about
local
concerns?
Can
your
citizens
understand
what's
what
land
use
is
allowed?
These
codes
are
complicated
always,
but
you
know
you
shouldn't
need
a
phd
to
understand.
Z
They'll,
answer
basic
questions
about
what's
allowed
and
so
taking
very
complicated
regulations
and
presenting
in
a
way
that's
simple
enough
for
the
citizens.
Understand
is
a
key
goal.
We're
always
concerned
about
previous
development
rights.
Although
the
regulations
reduce
them,
it's
not
that
they
can't,
but
it
gets
tricky
when
they
do,
and
so
you
you
look
at
that
carefully.
Z
But
it's
actually
a
very
common
situation,
then
we
get
into
all
the
details
of
individual
buildings
and
how
the
buildings
are
placed
relative
to
the
streets
and
sidewalks,
so
that
your
regulations
will
ensure
that
the
new
building
you
know,
concepts
which
you
know
in
some
areas
are
going
to
be
to
create
walkable
areas
and
obviously
to
protect
character
and
enhance
the
existing
character.
And
then
all
the
details
about
parking
and
stormwater
all
important.
Z
P
Thanks
bill,
so
that
concludes
our
presentation.
P
I
just
saw
what
happens
next
after
today:
we'll
have
a
public
comment
period
and
we'll
be
gathering
all
those
public
comments,
along
with
comments
from
elected
officials
and
those
technical
review
meetings
that
we
had
earlier
this
month
and
we'll
be
then
addressing
all
of
those
comments
and
recommendations
into
our
final
draft
plan
comp
plan
and
that
final
draft
will
go
in
front
of
council
again
at
the
first
public
hearing
for
transmittal
and
if
that's
approved,
that
document
will
go
to
the
state
agencies
again
for
their
formal
review
and
comment
period.
P
G
P
X
Question:
okay,
so
for
the
record
again
mitchell,
austin
urban
design
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
ask
for
an
assist
from
our
consultants,
if
needed
so.
D
H
H
Are
we
having
an
awful
lot
of
names
for
different
areas
now,
where
we
used
to
just
have
industrial-
and
you
know
now,
it's
like
we've
broken
it
down
into
little
parts
is
that
is
that
what
is
coming
in
comp
planning
and
ldirs
to
to
give
every
little
black
section
of
blacks,
a
name.
X
So,
based
on
council's
direction,
this
comprehensive
plan
update
is
really
based
on
the
greater
downtown
area
and
the
annexation
areas,
so
within
the
greater
downtown
area.
If
you
just
look
at
that
piece,
we
actually
simplified
the
map
a
little
bit.
However,
we
had
classifications
that
we
still
needed
to
accommodate
like
industrial
light
industrial.
X
So
we
ended
up
adding
classifications
because
you
know
they
they
existed
downtown
too,
and
they
exist
outside
of
downtown.
So
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
but
I
think
it's
much
more
clarifying
in
terms
of
the
the
downtown
area
and
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
so
that
we're
actually
recognizing
the
type
of
growth
that
occurs
there,
which,
if
you
look
at
it
from
you,
know
you
back
up
from
punta
gorda
and
you
look
at
it
from
a
county-wide
basis.
X
X
I
Nancy
yeah,
so
I
understand
I
asked
the
question
when
we're
having
a
meeting
with
greg
about
the
the
granularity
that's
in
this
plan
and
that
they
we
need
some
of
that
granularity,
because
when
we're
getting
we're
applying
for
grants
and
things
like
that,
these
agencies
are
looking
for
specifics
within
our
comp
plan
and
they
will
say
if
it's
not
in
your
comp
plan,
then
we're
not
going
to
fund
it
type
of
thing.
I
I
The
concern
I
have
is
is
that
we
are
going
to
put
something
in
our
comp
plan
that
is
not
clearly
defined
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
we
find
that
we
are
backing
ourselves
into
a
corner,
and
you
know
a
a
developer
says:
oh
well,
I
can
do
35
units
on
this
property
and
I
want
2
000
square
feet
per
unit,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
I
need
120
story
building
or
120
foot
tall
building.
It's
like
no!
No!
No!
No!
No.
I
Like
you
know,
I
realize
that
we're
putting
this
in
here,
but
I
feel
like
before
I
agree
to
anything
I'll
speak
for
myself
before
I
agree
to
anything.
I
want
to
know
what
the
the
almost
as,
if
we
put
a
model
that
is,
it
defines
what
the
parameters
are
around
this.
That
says
the
average
unit
is
this:
it's
based
on
the
average
unit
being
this
big
with
x,
number
of
parking
spaces
included
and
different
kinds
of
things,
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
a
developer.
I
Coming
back
to
us
and
saying
you
know
we're
finding
like.
Oh,
we
screwed
up
yeah.
I
really
feel
like.
We
need
a
much
more
definition
around
some
of
these
things,
so
that
that
I
I
get
the
response
I
got
was
well
that
comes
in
the
form
based
code.
Well,
we
don't
have
the
form
based
code
and
one
is
going
to
be
approved
before
the
other
and
so
in.
If
we
approve
this,
then
all
of
a
sudden
a
developer
comes
along
and
says.
Well,
this
is
what
it
says
and
we're
not
there.
X
And
and
that's
that's
a
very
valid
concern,
certainly
once
a
comprehensive
plan
is
adopted,
we
have
an
existing
set
of
land
development
regulations
and
they're,
pretty
tight
on
building
height
and
as
an
issue,
an
independent
issue,
but
they
don't
really
have
they
don't
do
the
best
job
in
the
world
in
terms
of
specifying
the
form,
which
is
why
you
know
we've
gotten
to
the
point
of
saying.
Yes,
we
do
want
to
form
base
code,
because
we
want
to
know
that
the
development
fits
the
existing
pattern.
X
X
We
know
where
we're
at
with
the
comp
plan,
at
least
as
a
concept
right
now,
let's
put
that
on
the
shelf
for
a
minute,
let's
actually
go
authorize,
work
on
the
land
development
regulations
and
get
to
a
point
where
we're
comfortable
with
that
and
then
go
back
and
adopt
everything
at
the
same
time
that
that
that's
a
possibility
that
could
be
done.
So
you
know
that
that
way,
you
would
have
the
regulations
aligning
with
the
entitlements
that
you
were
granting
in
in
the
conference.
Appointment.
D
I
still
want
to
see,
and
I
still
don't
see
it-
a
rendering
of
what
a
a
35
unit
per
acre
building
on
west
marion
is
going
to
look
like
across
the
street
from
river
city
grill.
I
want
to
see
what
that
looks
like
in
a
rendering
so
that
it
like
in
my
mind.
I
can
picture
it
because
I
don't
want
to
see
a
60
or
70
foot
tall
building
facing
that
row
of
stores.
I
just
don't
it's
ridiculous.
X
So
I
I
can
say
that
the
within
the
presentation
that
was
just
shown
today,
we
did
show
a
street
view
there
of
of
a
potential
development
what's
really
guiding.
What
would
look
like
across
the
street
is
the
the
for
is
the
land
development
regulations
so
under
the
current
land
development
regulations.
X
If
a
developer
wanted
to
come
in
tomorrow
and
build
a
50-foot
tall
building
on
that
side
of
the
street,
they
could
do
so.
They
would
just
have
to
go
to
drc.
It
would
not
require
any
public
hearing
or
approval
process.
So
that's
the
reality
of
today
of
the
development
entitlements.
So
is
that
scale
appropriate?
X
I
think
we've
seen
through
living
with
sunloft
for
for
these
years
this
decade,
that
it
has
good
points
and
it's
bad
points,
but
it
is
kind
of
imposing
you
know,
because
it
they
they
use
the
entire
site
and
then
some
to
make
that
work.
I
X
X
I
I
would
actually
recommend
proceeding
with
land
development
regulations
and
getting
to
a
point
where
we
say
these
are
the
forms
that
we're
comfortable
with
and
now
we
can
say:
okay,
well,
those
density
limits
actually
fit,
or
maybe
they
don't
maybe
we're
wrong
and
we
get
to
building
this
form-based
code
and
we
go
oh,
we
we
we
actually,
we
aired
and
35
is
too
high.
It
really
needs
to
be
27..
X
X
I
F
And
remember
too
that
as
we
work
through
this,
we're
going
to
take
a
lot
of
these
questions
and
comments
and
when
we
get
to
more
definition
on
the
comp
plan,
we're
going
to
want
to
know
on
all
five
elements,
things
that
you
just
specifically
don't
want
to
see
there
and
things
you
specifically
do
aside
from
density
right
now,
I'm
talking
about
all
the
other
components,
also,
so
that
we
can
get
a
little
more
definition,
put
a
finer
point
on
where
we're
going
with
the
elements
that
have
been
presented.
F
And
then,
when
we
talk
about
density
specifically,
and
we
talk
about
the
form-based
codes,
there's
a
lot
of
things.
We
could
do
there
before
any
adoption
takes
place
to
make
sure
you're
comfortable
with
that.
I
believe
the
rendering
that
was
on
the
screen
was.
F
F
Okay,
so
we
can.
We
can
do
a
little
more
definition
on
that
too.
Maybe
give
some
examples
so
that
you
can
more
visually,
see
pulled
back
a
little
bit
get
into
what
we
might
be
looking
at
with
form
base
codes
or
at
least
give
you
a
primer
of
what
we
have
now
and
where
that
could
go,
and
as
we
move
through
these
next
series
of
meetings,
so
we
can
get
down
to
a
level
of
comfort.
F
We
can
answer
those
questions
and
move
that
forward
so
that
you
can
then
feel
very
comfortable
in
adopting
something
that
complies
with
your
intent
as
far
as
all
five
of
the
elements.
So
we
don't
have
to
obviously
do
that
today
and
we
shouldn't,
if
we
because
there's
not
enough
definition
and
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
remain
to
be
answered,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
ones
you're
asking
right
now
are
part
of
our
next
presentation.
D
Can
I
make
a
suggestion,
since
this
could
go
on
for
a
very
long
time?
D
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
let
the
folks
from
dover
coal
get
back
to
what
they're
doing,
and
we
can
continue
this
discussion
after
our
shade
meeting
and
have
further
discussion
about
what
our
comments
and
questions
are
and
city
staff
if
you
would
relay
whatever
our
comments
are
to
dover
coal,
so
that
revisions
can
be
made
if
necessary,
to
the
documents
and-
and
we
can
go,
go
at
it
from
that
perspective,
because
we've
got
to
get
started
with
our
shade
meeting.
F
Height
limitation
as
to
whether
or
not
you
had
this
courtyard
or
had
another
building
there,
but
that,
as
far
as
a
height
on
that
would
have
been
what.
X
The
the
building
that
immediately
fronts
marion
would
be
about
35
feet.
The
buildings
behind
it
are
three
and
four
stories
which
would
be
in
the
the
40
to
60
foot
range.
So
by
by
recognizing
the
importance
of
marion
avenue
as
main
street
and
squishing
the
development
rights
there
and
saying
you
can
only
have
a
two-story
building
or
a
30-foot
tall
building,
then
you
kind
of
squeeze
the
entitlements
up
in
another
portion
of
the
site
and
and
they
get
to
pop
up
a
little
bit
higher.
So.
X
Create
a
really
pleasant.
You
know
this
looks
like
and
feels
like
pungorda
streetscape,
without
sacrificing
the
ability
to
actually
see
a
developer
come
and
build
that,
but.
E
F
Other
portion
was
40
to
60
on
that
site,
where
the
part
fronting
marion
was
only
30.,
but
the
overall
density
on
the
site
would
have
been
in
the
35
range,
but
you
can
still
restrict
that
so
the
parts
that
are
fronting
that
street
and
are
directly
adjacent
to
one
story,
one
and
a
half
story
buildings
on
the
opposite
side
are
not
imposing
it's
not
a
david
and
goliath
type
thing,
which
is,
I
think,
part
of
the
issue.
But
that's
just
one
visual
representation,
since
they
had
it
back
up
there
and
we'll.
X
D
Okay,
that
said,
we'll
take
a
five
five-minute
break,
so
the
court
reporter
can
get
set
up.
We
will
need
to
clear
the
room
of
anyone
who
is
not
city,
council
or
legal,
legal
counsel
or
city
manager.