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Special City Council Meeting 12-09-2020
A
A
Thank
you.
We're
going
to
begin
this
morning's
meeting
with
citizen
comments.
We
did
receive
a
couple
of
letters
by
email,
so
if
you
had
submitted
a
letter
to
myself
or
the
other
council
members
or
the
city
manager,
please
let
us
know
when
you
come
to
the
podium.
If
you
wish
to
speak
in
lieu
of
us
reading
your
letter,
but
we
won't
do
both.
C
Good
morning,
city
council,
my
name
is
bill
dryberg,
and
I
was
at
the
county
commission
meeting
yesterday
and
said,
and
I
know
each
one
of
you
so
I
know
goodwill.
You've
listened
to
the
probably
the
feed
from
from
yesterday's
meeting,
and
I
listened
to
the
dialogue
and
it
kind
of
hurt.
I
I
love
this
city
and
I
I
think
each
one
of
you
are
amazing
people
and
they're
doing
a
great
job,
so
it
struck
me
as
I
listened
to
each
one
of
the
commissioners
talk
yesterday.
C
Is
this
an
item
that
we
want
to
kind
of
undo?
All
that
good
will
that
we've
done
over
the
years
with
the
county.
I
mean
because
obviously
they're
upset,
and
you
could
tell
that-
and
I
think
you
probably
greg's,
probably
received
the
letter
already
from
hector
because
he
was
instructed
to
do
that
to
get
in
touch
with
him
too.
C
D
Good
morning
my
name
is
pamela
c
I
am
a
former
commissioner
from
the
charlotte
county
airport
authority
for
24
years,
and
this
concept
that
I
know
that's
going
to
be
coming
up
and
talked
about
is
one
that
came
up
whilst
I
was
chair.
So
let
me
give
you
a
little
background.
A
little
bit
information.
The
airport
authority
has
been
looking
into
ideas
for
economic
development
and
public
private
partnerships.
Since
about
2017.
D
we've
held
workshops,
we've
discussed
this
at
board
meetings.
Things
have
come
up
and
they're
all
ideas
concepts.
There
has
never
been
anything
concrete
brought
to
the
airport
late
in
2019,
we
hired
a
consultant
to
bring
in
economic
development
opportunities,
including
specifically
public
private
partnerships,
one
of
which
was
the
faa
sponsored
airport
investment
partnership
program.
This
allows
for
use
of
proceeds
for
from
the
airport
off
the
airport
property,
something
unique
and
never
otherwise
available.
D
D
It's
game
changing
it's
life-changing
and
if
it
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
airport,
perhaps
it
would
be
a
good
thing,
but
the
airport
chose
not
to
look
at
it.
There
were
two
members
of
the
board
who
did
want
to
look
at
it.
The
other
three
said
nah,
not
good
enough.
The
enabling
legislation
of
the
authority
says
a
lot
of
things.
They
are
to
solicit
business
and
do
all
things
necessary
advisable
to
promote,
convert
commerce.
D
D
D
I
wish
that
the
airport
would
have
done
that
they
did
not,
but
if
the
city
council
chooses
to
do
that
and
to
look
at
this
as
a
potential
game,
changer
life
changer
a
billion
dollars
into
our
community.
Is
that
reasonable
thing
to
look
at
our
legislator?
Our
legislators
support
this
and
say
it's
good
to
look
at
this.
D
It
is
good
that
we
have
an
opportunity.
Is
it
possible
for
the
the
city
to
become
the
overseers
of
the
airport,
it's
possible?
What
the
legislature
giveth
the
legislature
may
taketh
away
is
this?
Is
the
county,
the
only
one
who
can
do
it?
I
don't
think
so.
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
appreciate
your
consideration
of
and
your
deliberations
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
F
E
Then
out
of
nowhere
comes
up
the
situation
where
the
city
of
punta
gorda
might
be
interested
in
doing
that,
and
the
language
going
to
the
state
delegation
on
looking
at
possible
legislation
to
dissolve
the
airport
authority
and
move
into
the
area
of
privatization.
There's
a
lot
of
big
numbers,
a
lot
of
numbers
being
thrown
around.
We
have
spent
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
With
this
consultant.
E
B
E
That
stay
that's
generated
on
the
airport
needs
to
stay
on
the
airport.
It
was
very
interesting
during
the
last
discussion
that
we
had,
I
said,
look
if
we're
going
down
this
road
of
privatization.
We
need
to
ensure
that
all
monies
that
might
be
generated
by
such
an
effort
stay
on
the
airport
and
the
minute.
I
said
that
the
room
emptied
out
from
the
influencers
people
that
were
interested
in
delving
into
the
pie,
and
I
also
went
on
further
understanding
that
we
didn't
want
any
revolving
door
and,
I
said,
look
any
previous.
E
E
F
Good
morning,
council
members
for
the
record,
I'm
james
w
hurston-
I
am
the
current
chairman
of
the
charlotte
county
airport
authority,
and
I
know
pam-
spoke
of
the
billion
dollar
investment
to
be
made
at
the
airport.
That
is,
that
is
a
real
number.
It
may
even
be
1.1
billion
dollars
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
economic
impact
that
that
investment
at
the
airport
or
the
surrounding
area
would
have
on
the
region.
F
I
mean
we
had
a
d.o.t
study
done
a
couple
years
ago
and
I
forget
the
billions
that
we
are
attributed
to
creating
as
a
result
of
our
operation
at
the
airport,
but
it
may
be
10
billion
on
economic
development
of
which
the
city
would
benefit,
but
I
I
do
just
personally.
As
I
know
each
of
you.
I
recommend
that
I
think
the
city
should
run
the
city
and
let
the
airport
run
the
airport.
F
F
G
My
name
is
jerry
o'halleran
and
I'm
not
on
any
board
associated
with
the
airport.
I
am
a
private
pilot.
I've
been
involved
with
a
number
of
organizations
out
there
at
the
airport,
and
I
have
spoke
to
the
airport
a
number
of
times.
I've
been
they're
doing
a
great
job,
so
I
really
hadn't
attended
very
many
of
the
meetings,
so
it
lately
when
this
thing
first
came
up
and
I'm
thinking
you
guys
have
to
be
crazy
to
consider
this.
It
has
never
worked
anywhere
in
this
country
for
many
many
years,
privatization's
an
absolute
disaster.
G
G
This
started
in
1997
19
from
1997.
Until
today,
how
many
airports
have
been
successful?
Doing
this?
None,
not
one
in
2018,
the
law
changed
and
people
are
aware
of
this
law.
Some
people
wear
this
law
changing.
I
had
no
idea
what's
coming
down
the
pike,
but
when
it
did
it
allowed
the
airport
proceeds
to
be
used,
the
profits
will
be
used
anywhere
and
not
just
at
the
airport.
G
It's
may
use.
They
can
keep
it
at
the
airport
if
they
choose
to
do
so.
Okay,
now
here's
the
problem-
this
didn't
start
just
in
the
past
year
or
so
the
past
few
months.
This
started
back
when
we
first
started
having
a
candidate
run
for
the
airport
authority
by
the
lady
name
of
julie,
price
julie,
price
hasn't
a
clue
what's
happening
at
the
airport,
and
I
couldn't
figure
why
michael
grant
was
supporting
her
julie
lost,
fortunately,
because
she
lost
to
rob
hansek
with
23
years
experience.
G
So
more
morty's
experience
than
that
running
airports
he's
got
lots
of
experience
when
they
look
around
and
sit
back
and
say.
Okay
now,
the
next
candidate
came
up
was
first
of
all,
julie
price
is
michael
grant's,
son's
girlfriend
fiance,
I've
heard
julie
did
not
win
next
kim
kane
that
came
up
was
michael
grant's
daughter
and
what
happened
in
the
newspaper
the
other
day
we
knew
what's
happening.
I
was
the
first
time
I've
seen
it
been
writing
anywhere.
G
We
have
shadow
candidates
that
disenfranchised
more
than
half
of
the
voters
in
this
country
in
this
county,
so
they
could
not
vote
and
so
constant.
What
happened
now
michael
grant's
daughter
won.
So
when
you
start
putting
the
dots
together
and
I'm
thinking
somewhere,
all
these
roads
seem
to
be
leading
back
to
michael
grant
and
I'm
embarrassed
to
say
that,
because
he
is
a
friend,
so
I
want
to
take
a
consideration
that
has
never
worked
before
it
should
not
work.
Now
we've
got
a
wonderfully
managed
airport.
We
should
leave
it
the
way.
It
is.
H
I
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
make
you
aware
that,
of
course,
our
lobbyist
sent
a
letter
that
he
was
scheduled
to
appear
in
highlands
county
delegation
typically
for
any
legislative
initiatives.
He
would
attend
with
us,
but
he
already
had
that
schedule.
He
offered
to
cancel
their
meeting
so
that
he
could
attend
if
we
so
desired,
but
that
wasn't
really
fair
to
the
others
that
he
was
serving
on
the
other
end.
So
that's.
Why
he's
not
here
just
for
your
information?
He
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everyone
was
aware
of
that.
I
Secondly,
we
have
our
first
comment
from
bill:
ringelstein
city
council.
We
urge
city
council
to
rescind
its
letter
to
the
state
regarding
the
dissolution
of
the
airport
authority.
This
goes
against
our
wishes
to
have
puna
gorda
airport
remain
administered
as
it
is
now.
The
agreement
is
not
broke
and
we
look
at
it
as
a
power
grab
by
the
city
council.
I
I
Then
we
had
dean
ayers,
I
see
in
the
paper
tonight.
The
city
is
going
after
control
of
the
puente
gorda
airport.
I
personally
have
kept
a
small
airplane
at
kepgd
for
the
last
20
years
and
have
watched
it
grow
in
leaps
and
bounds.
The
growth
has
been
a
success
with
oversight
of
the
airport
authority
board
and
the
airport
management.
The
only
monetary
funds
for
this
growth
has
come
from
the
many
aviation
fees
and
various
aviation
taxations.
I
Not
one
dime
has
come
from
the
county
or
city
coffers.
My
advice
is
to
leave
the
operation
of
this
airport
to
the
aviation
community.
This
has
worked
since
the
authority
was
established
after
world
war
ii.
The
airport
will
never
become
a
cash
cows.
All
federal
and
state
funds
keep
the
airport
operation
and
growth,
and
none
of
these
funds
can
be
applied
to
non-airport
projects.
What
I
see
from
our
city
or
county
operation
is
the
future
where
city
funds
may
be
required
to
maintain
its
operation.
I
If
an
increase
in
fees
is
established,
the
first
effect
would
be
allegiant.
Airlines
would
surely
move
out.
That's
what
happened
in
green
bay.
Wisconsin.
The
airport
raised
the
landing
fees
and
legion
moved
to
appleton
airport
35
miles
away.
The
punta
gorda
airport
is
well
run
as
it's
presently
operated
and
it's
best
not
to
see
it
controlled
by
people
with
non-aviation
interest
in
mind.
The
airport
is
growing,
and
that
is
because
of
proper
interest
to
our
at
heart,
dean,
ayers.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
purpose
of
today's
meeting
is
to
readdress
the
legislative
priorities
that
we
submitted
to
michael
grant's
office
for
tomorrow's
legislative
delegation,
and
I
asked
to
have
this
meeting
held
today
because
there
has
been
so
much
controversy
surrounding
our
agenda
item
number
two
on
our
legislative
agenda,
and
so
I
have
some
general
comments.
A
You
know
the
city
originally
this
this
started
about
a
week
ago
the
city
was
contacted.
The
city
manager's
office
specifically
was
contacted
by
the
gentleman
that
did
the
proposal
for
the
airport
authority
and
we
were
presented
with
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
what
they
had
to
say
to
see.
If
the
city
might
have
interest
in
a
public-private
partnership
with
the
airport
and
we
are
not
trying,
I
will
state
this
right
up
front.
We
are
not
trying
to
undermine
the
airport
authority.
We
are
not
trying
to
undermine
the
board
of
county
commissioners.
A
That
was
never
our
intent.
Nor
do
we
really
have
a
burning
desire
to
run
the
airport.
However,
the
opportunity
that
was
presented
to
our
city
manager
basically
gave
an
opportunity
to
the
city
to
help
the
airport
to
provide
long-term
financial
stability
and
economic
development
opportunities
going
into
the
future,
and
that's
the
reason
why
we
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
this.
A
So
the
city's
request
to
look
at
the
airport
public-private
partnership
came
from,
among
other
things,
long-standing
public
discussions
that
demonstrated
substantial
potential
for
the
community.
Several
well-respected
current
and
former
airport
authority
members
saw
promise
and
the
opportunity
and
wanted
to
see
it
move
forward.
A
Accordingly,
there
seems
to
be
such
opposition
to
anyone
taking
another
approach
to
leveraging
assets.
Our
community
has
built
and
supported,
and
given
the
county
commissioner's
request
to
remove
this
item
from
our
legislative
agenda,
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
discuss
our
position
on
this
matter
and
determine
the
best
way
to
move
forward,
and
if
we
want
to
leave
that
item
on
our
agenda,
you
know
we.
A
I
had
a
personal
situation
on
monday.
That
really
bothered
me
a
great
deal.
I
was
at
the
mpo
board
meeting,
which
excuse
me
fine.
I
can't
get
this
thing
to
stop
there.
We
go
sorry
about
that,
so
I
was
at
the
mpo
board
meeting,
none
of
which
has
anything
to
do
with
the
airport,
and
when
I
gave
my
city
report
to
the
mpo
board,
I
got
thrown
into
a
firing
squad
and
for
the
better
part
of
close
to
a
half
hour,
mr
hurst,
and
you
were
there
probably
close
to
a
half
hour.
A
But
what
I'd?
What
I
gleaned
from
that
conversation
was
that
there
is
absolute
hate
spewing
name-calling
conversation
going
on
outside
of
this
room
by
those
other
parties
involved.
And
specifically,
I
think
I
think
I
I
really
would
not
want
to
see
us
jeopardize
the
many
years
of
relationship
building
that
we
have
been
working
on.
A
And
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen.
I
think
we've
spent
an
enormous
amount
of
time
trying
to
to
build
those
bridges
where
we
didn't
have
those
bridges
before
these
people
that
are
currently
sitting
here
were
on
council.
We
didn't
have
a
lot
of
communication
and
conversation
that
ensued
between
us
and
I
really
just
don't
think
that
it's
in
our
best
interest
to
move
things
forward.
J
J
Would
you
be
interested
in
hearing
how
this
could
affect
the
economic
development
of
the
entire
region,
and
the
question
put
to
us
was:
would
you
be
interested
in
hearing
more
now
there's
a
great
line
in
the
movie
1776,
where
a
sitting
delegate
says
I've
never
heard
of
anything
so
damaging
that
it
can't
be
discussed,
and
that
came
to
my
mind
when
this
came
up
there
had
been,
the
county
had
had
a
chance
at
this,
and
they
had
said
no.
The
airport
authority
had
a
consultant.
J
They
listened
to
the
consultant
and
said
no,
but
everybody
seemed
to
think
it
was
still
such
a
good
idea,
including
our
representatives
that
I
said,
okay,
we
can
listen
to
this
and
all
of
a
sudden
we
are
the
evil
empire
taking
over
the
airport,
and
I
want
you
guys
on
the
airport
authority
board
to
know
that
I
don't
feel
like.
We
have
ever
stated
that
that
was
our
intent.
J
J
J
J
You
probably
are
right
but
know
that
that
was
never
what
I
thought
we
had
voted
on
and
as
to
the
way
council
member
matthews
was
treated
at
the
mpo
meeting.
I
think
somebody
owes
somebody
a
big
apology
and
I
think
some
of
the
county
commissioners
owe
us
an
apology,
because
that
meeting
yesterday
was
embarrassing.
A
A
The
only
thing
the
city
council
did
was
we
finalized
our
government
legislative
agenda
list
last
week
at
our
council
meeting,
which
we
legally
have
the
right
to
do.
We
were
completely
within
our
bounds
to
do
what
we
did.
We
finalized
our
list
and
we
added
something
to
it.
That
is
our
legal
right
to
do
that,
and
that
is
our
responsibility
to
the
legislative
agenda.
To
do
that.
Once
a
year
we
did
not
vote
on
anything.
There
was
no
vote
taken.
A
It
was
a
consensus
that
we
would
listen
to
what
they
might
have
to
say
if
they
wanted
to
come
and
do
a
presentation
to
us.
So
the
accusations
that
were
made
to
me
personally
and
to
this
council
yesterday
in
their
meeting,
I'm
sorry,
but
they
were
totally
out
of
order
and-
and
I
I'm
just
really
upset
also,
let
me
say
one
more
thing.
Some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
in
the
newspaper
and
behind
the
scenes
are
not
they're,
not
consistent
comments
on
one
side
of
the
equation.
A
I
hear
that
it
came
from
the
legislative
people
and
one
side
of
the
equation.
The
legislative
people
are
saying,
I
didn't
say
anything
and
I
wasn't
involved
so
it
concerns
me
a
great
deal
to
get
in
the
middle
of
something
like
this
when
we
don't
know
who
we
can
trust
or
who
we
can
believe
if
we
did
want
to
pursue
this
and
move
it
forward.
So
I'm
very
I'm
very
upset
about
the
whole
thing,
and-
and
yes,
I
agree,
I
think
we
are
owed
an
apology.
I
think
I
think
monday's
meeting
was
totally
inappropriate.
A
The
way
it
was
handled
and
it
was
totally
off
track
because
it
wasn't
an
agenda
item
on
that
meeting
to
even
begin
with
and
to
have
a
half
hour
conversation
throwing
me
under
the
bus
and
firing
questions
at
me.
Rapid
fire
for
almost
a
half
hour
totally
inappropriate,
and
I'm
really
sorry
to
say
this,
but
I'm
very
upset
with
that.
I'm
very
upset
with
the
way
I
was
treated.
A
I
think
that
was
a
total
disrespect
to
not
only
me
but
to
this
entire
city
council
and
to
our
city
manager,
and
I
I'm
just
really
upset
about
it
and
if
county
commissioners
are
upset
with
what
I
just
said,
then
I'm
sorry,
but
I
think
it
needed
to
be
said.
So
anyone
else
would
like
to
comment.
Jaha
yeah.
K
K
Remains
in
its
position
to
hear
the
proposal,
so
the
city
and
county
do
not
lose
the
opportunity
I'll
provide
an
analogy
to
our
situation
and
our
dependence
on
the
airport
authority
appreciating
how
important
it
is
to
the
future
of
the
city
and
county.
The
saint
johns
river
feeds
the
city
of
jacksonville
from
the
south.
It
depends
on
the
flow
of
people,
goods
and
water
from
the
city
south
of
it.
K
If
a
city
south
of
it
were
to
make
an
arbitrary
decision
to
restrict
the
flow
of
water
goods
services
to
tourism,
to
the
north,
without
any
investigation
into
either
the
pros
or
conscious
decision,
it
would
be
the
business
of
the
city
of
jacksonville,
because
the
sustainability
depends
on
being
fed
by
the
river
in
a
similar
manner.
The
city
of
pontogorda
and
its
residents,
as
well
as
charlotte
county,
are
fed
by
pineal
good
airport.
I
personally
have
always
been
a
very,
very
strong
support
of
the
airport.
K
The
city
council
did
not
take
any
action
to
take
over
the
airport.
It
took
action
rather
to
hear
the
proposals
presented
to
the
airport,
but
not
allowed
heard.
The
future
of
the
savings
residents
depends
greatly
on
the
growth
of
the
airport,
for
the
tourists
to
come
through
its
gates
for
the
development
of
aerospace,
logistics
and
aviation
related
industries
around
its
perimeter.
K
The
educational
programs
support
its
industries,
housings
that
is
built
for
those
who
work
in
these
industries,
entertainment
and
the
arts
that
enrich
the
lives
of
this
workforce,
integrated
community
and
the
opportunities
that
are
created
for
our
children.
So
they
do
not
have
a
reason
to
leave.
They'll
have
a
place
to
stay
and
raise
their
families.
We
owe
it
to
our
residents
to
at
least
consider
any
proposal
that
can
possibly
benefit
the
community
as
a
whole.
This
is
our
job
as
elected
officials.
K
What
we
are
discussing
is
the
ability
for
the
residents
of
the
city
and
county
to
be
able
to
hear
a
proposal
that
could
potentially
inject
one
billion
dollars
into
the
airport.
Why?
The
city,
as
stated
by
the
former
airport
authority,
chair
pmc,
the
airport
authority,
would
not
even
hear
the
proposal,
and
you
had
some
county
commissioners
lobbying
the
airport
not
to
get
a
proposal.
The
only
entity
left
that
can
be
in
a
position
to
hear
the
proposal
is
the
city,
so
we
were
left
with
no
choice
in
this
matter.
K
In
addition
to
our
responsibility
to
immediate
restaurants
within
the
city
limits,
we
also
are
the
county
seat,
so
we
also
have
to
consider
the
implications
of
our
decisions
for
residents
of
the
county.
As
such,
it
is
our
duty,
as
elected
officials
and
elected
representatives
of
the
people
to
hear
proposals
that
can
possibly
contribute
to
the
maintenance
and
improvement
of
quality
of
life
of
our
residents.
K
We
cannot
forget
that
we
have
the
second
oldest
demographics
nationally
in
both
the
city
and
the
county.
This
means
that
a
considerable
number
of
our
population
being
retirees
live
on
fixed
incomes.
We
have
to
do
whatever
we
can
do
to
maintain
the
highest
quality
of
life
for
residents
without
raising
taxes.
So
this
proposal
is
a
possibility.
K
We
have
to
hear
it
in
order
to
be
able
to
determine
whether
it's
suitable
or
not
to
our
community,
and
it's
important
to
recognize
that
we
do
not
answer
to
the
county
commissioners
as
an
independent
board.
I
doubt
that
we
wish
to
tell
our
residents
that
we
as
a
board
have
no
vision,
no
need
and
no
use
for
one
billion
dollars
for
private
investment
capital
for
our
community.
We
should
not
allow
the
commissioners
to
influence
this
council's
evaluation
and
considerations
opportunity.
K
K
K
Half
a
billion
dollars
under
the
cash
for
our
community
is
only
half
the
opportunity.
There's
another
half
billion
in
committed
airport
capital
projects
during
the
duration
of
the
lease:
that's
half
a
billion
of
engineering
contracts,
design
contracts,
construction
contracts,
supplier
contracts,
vendor
contracts
for
the
community.
The
private
investor
is
increasing
the
current
airport
capital
plan
by
two
and
a
half
times.
That's
two
and
a
half
times
more
fees,
contracts,
purchases
for
architects,
engineers,
contractors,
suppliers,
vendors
for
the
city
and
community.
K
K
The
retribution,
of
course,
has
been
swift,
as
we
saw
this
week,
especially
what
happened
to
our
mayor.
The
state
delegation
is
not
happy
that
a
potential
one
billion
dollar
private
investments
or
community
has
been
terminated
by
the
board
without
even
bringing
it
to
details
forward
and
the
consequences
of
this
vote
is
the
board
have
weakened
support
from
the
people
who
legislate
the
existence.
K
The
board
told
the
community,
it
doesn't
need
one
billion
dollar
investment.
It
did
not
consider
the
fact
that
we
as
a
board
have
to
do
as
much
diligence
as
possible
for
any
decision
so
we're
here
today
in
a
special
meeting
we've
been
attacked
by
the
commissioners,
we've
been
attacked
by
many
people.
We
are
not
the
bad
guys,
we're
not
the
entity
standing
between
the
community,
one
billion
dollar
investment,
we're
the
adults
in
the
room,
we're
thoughtful
and
deliberate,
and
we
consider
the
future
our
families.
Timing
can
be
everything
today.
K
We're
facing
a
timing
issue
that
we
cannot
pass.
There's
there
is
support
for
further
evaluating
this
opportunity.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
create
the
conditions
that
this
opportunity
be
heard.
I'm
asking
that
we
stay
course.
I'm
asking
that
we
not
allow
ourselves
to
be
intimidated.
I
ask
that
we
simply
do
our
job
as
elected
officials.
To
simply
hear
this.
I
again,
like
I
said
at
the
beginning.
K
There
are
two
things
that
can
happen.
Our
actions
create
the
conditions
that
the
airport
authority
might
possibly
consider
it's
important
to
sustain
the
building
future
of
the
city
county
and
region,
and
reconsider
its
vote
to
hear
this
proposal
and
two
we
are
able
to
hear
the
position
and
us
hearing
it
the
city
and
county.
Our
residents
are
actually
able
to
hear
this,
and
so
we
as
a
community
can
decide
whether
this
is
something
that's
good.
I
think
we
should
proceed
to
the
step
of
simply
stating
the
status
quo.
L
M
B
M
M
M
It
properly
earlier,
he
said,
you
know,
it's
really
a
shame
that
the
city
and
the
county
just
can't
work
together
on
a
whole
lot
of
things.
We
need
to
to
do
it
together.
We
are
a
big
part
of
this
county,
and,
and
yet
we
seem
to
in
a
stroke
of
a
pen
or
a
sentence
or
two
have
destroyed
everything
that
we
may
have
been
working
on
or
may
not
have
been
working
on
again,
I
personally
don't
see
a
lot
of
interest
from
the
county
in
what
we're
doing
day
in
and
day
out.
M
M
This
proposal
is
a
business,
and
people
are
going
to
make
money
off
of
it
and
the
area
here
if,
if
it
would
could
work
and
we
could
maintain
the
airport
in
its
pristine
way
that
it
runs
now,
it's
something
that
should
be
looked
at.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
possible
yet,
but
I
think
we've
cut
short
our
opportunity
here
and
I
think
we
should
should
look
at
it
now.
Whether
this
is
the
only
way
to
do
it
or
not.
M
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
people
behind
the
scenes
that
seem
to
be
pulling
strings
because
there's
a
lot
of
money
involved
here
and
it
I
think
the
with
the
discussion
was
opened
and
we
shouldn't
let
it
just
die.
I
think
and
go
back
the
way
we
were,
I
think,
there's
things
to
be
done
with
the
county.
There's
work
to
be
done
with
the
airport
authority.
L
Okay,
thank
you.
So
thank
you.
Listening
to
all
this
and
and
listening
to
the
discussion
that
you
went
through
on
monday
and
listening
to
the
county
commission
meeting
yesterday
multiple
times,
I
think
that
the
conference,
the
words
that
have
been
spoken
today,
are
accurate.
We
have
worked.
I
know
myself
personally
work
to
maintain
a
great
relationships
with
all
of
our
collea
legislative
colleagues
in
charlotte
county
and
and
that's
that's
my
my
roots.
L
I
personally
don't
have
any
desire
to
take
over
the
airport
and
I
don't
see
that
what
I
also
see
is
that
our
city
is
not
an
island.
You
know
every
things
that
we
do
impact
the
airport
impact
the
county,
and
likewise
we
are
all.
We
all
need
to
work
together,
because
it's
much
better
when
we
do
and
and
in
teamwork
we
can
all
achieve
a
whole
lot
more.
L
If
we
do
work
together-
and
I
see
a
topic
like
this-
is
one
that
it's
while
the
airport
authority
can
say
it's
just
the
airport,
but
it's
not
just
the
airport,
it
impacts
everybody
and-
and
if
convening
and
list
just
listening,
it's
really
helping
all
of
us
to
listen
all
of
us
to
listen
together
and
is.
Is
there
something
that
we
can
do?
That
would
make
this
county
charlotte
county
better,
and
I
think
that
that's
really
all
we're
trying
to
do
is
say:
does
it
make
sense?
For
you
know
it's
not
just
puna
gorda.
L
L
L
B
K
I
Yes,
I've.
Certainly
my
cell
phone
is
available
all
the
time
also,
and
I've
not
received
any
phone
calls
for
an
explanation
of
this
outside
of
the
council.
So
if
you
look
at
this
legislative
legislative
initiative,
it
has
three
components.
First,
it
has
standing
that
ask
for
standing
to
hear
the
proposals
without
standing,
there's
no
reason
for
anyone
to
make
proposals
or
give
you
that
information
period.
I
Secondly,
it
has
to
evaluate
the
proposals.
That's
when
you
hear
it
and
it
may
very
well
stop
right
there
and
then.
Thirdly,
if
it
was
good,
then
to
potentially
execute
an
agreement
arising
from
ownership
without
having
a
position
one
way
or
another.
You
know
what
this
basically
says
is.
If
you
hear
this
and
you
either
like
what
you
hear
or
you
want
to
make
changes
to
an
agreement
right
now,
everyone
talks
about
just
what
we
know
that
was
publicly
discussed.
I
They
talk
about
200
million
dollars
or
the
numbers
that
were
quoted
here
earlier.
The
agreement
doesn't
have
to
look
like
that.
Maybe
the
agreement
wants
specific
guarantees
for
the
airport
authority
or
specific
guarantees
for
the
general
aviation
community.
Maybe
it
wants
a
partnership
between
the
city,
county
and
authority.
Maybe
then
it's
worth
50
million
instead
of
500
million.
You
know
you
just
you
don't
know,
because
you
haven't
heard
it
and
I'm
being
somewhat
abstract
and
not
suggesting
that
you
know.
I
50
million
is
something
that
is
a
good
number
for
sure,
but
the
point
being
that
the
intent
of
this
was
to
hear
the
information
so
that
a
determination
could
be
made
as
to
what
the
offers
actually
entailed
and
is
it
good
for
the
community?
Is
it
good
to
foster
partnerships?
Is
it
good
to
move
forward
with
and
without
standing?
You
couldn't
do
that
that
was
it
and
the
story,
so
what
you
determined
to
do
with
it
is
certainly
your
decision,
but
it
was
not
a
request
to
take
over
the
airport.
I
I
think
people
have
it
backwards
because
it's
been
stated
the
city
wanted
to
own
the
airport,
so
they
could
execute
an
agreement.
That's
exactly
opposite
of
what
you
said.
You
wanted
to
hear
the
agreement
to
determine
what
the
next
step
would
be
and
if
anything
else
is
appropriate,
but
you
can't
do
that
without
some
standing
to
actually
hear
it.
A
And
again
I
say
possibly
because
what
I
know
is
second-hand
information,
but
what
was
possibly
being
proposed
was
for
that
document
to
be
revised
by
the
florida
legislature,
so
that
the
city
would
gain
ownership
of
those
assets
and
take
over
the
ownership
of
the
airport.
That
is,
that
is
what's
being
questioned
by
the
county
commissioners.
A
So
we
have
a
decision
to
make
if
we
want
to
number
one.
If
we
want
to
keep
this
item
on
our
legislative
agenda
and
number
two,
if
we
want
to
even
if
we
take
it
off,
do
we
want
to
continue
to
at
least
listen
to
what
might
be
said
by
the
by
the
folks
that
presented
to
the
airport
authority
and
and
potentially
listen
to
an
possible
agreement
that
we
might
be
able
to
work
out
a
partnership
with
the
airport.
A
J
Mayor
matthews,
as
I
understand
it,
if
we
don't
get
a
standing
to
hear
the
proposal,
then
they're
probably
not
going
to
want
to
give
us
a
proposal,
because
we
have
enough
standing
on
the
issue
so
for
us
to
say
like
you're
recommending
we
just
drop
this
completely.
I
think
you
know.
If
we
want
to
hear
it,
we
have
to
keep
the
the
authority
to
have
standing
in
order
for
them
to
present
it
to
us.
Am
I
correct
in
that.
I
Once
you
would
hear
a
proposal,
it
would
be
up
to
council
to
determine
if
you
thought
the
proposal
was
sufficient.
If
you
wanted
to
see
changes
to
the
proposal,
what
it
did
to
the
market
value,
what
guarantees
you
may
want
to
include
that
you
may
think
are
not
there
or
that
you
just
don't
like
it
at
all
and
want
to
move
on
and
do
nothing.
M
B
M
Means
from
what
you
just
said
that
they
would
have
to
say
that
it
doesn't
revert.
In
fact,
I
don't
think
anybody's
talking
about
dissolving
the
authority,
but
it's
the
way
it's
stated
there
or
the
way
you
said
it.
It
sounded
like
until
legislature
changes
the
their
stan
their
current
standard,
which
is
that
the
the
county
would
re
would
be
involved
in
not
the
city
you're
asking
for
this
legit
or
you're,
saying
the
legislature
would
have
to
change
it.
So
that's
the
city
that
would
be
involved,
and
until
that
happened,
I
don't
think
anything
can
happen.
I
Some
of
the
wording
to
answer
your
question
is:
when
you
look
at
the
authority
of
such
shall
be
abolished,
the
board
body
or
commission
seceding,
the
principal
functions
thereof
or
to
him
power
shall
be
given
by
this
act
to
the
authority
shall
be
given
by
law.
So
who
are
those
authorities
and
powers
given
to
further
states
that
shall
immediately
vest
in
the
county?
I
B
L
L
L
That
could
be
something
that
it
could
be
a
joint
listening
on
the
behalf
of
the
the
airport
authority
and
the
county
commissioners
who
want
to
listen.
We
all
can
listen
together
and
determine
what
could
be
a
best
course
of
action
collaboratively
that
could
be
very
powerful,
but
I
don't
I
just
don't
see
that
a
legislative
option
at
this
point
is
really
valid,
because
I
think
it
all
it's
to
me
all
it's
doing
is
pitting
one
group
against
another
and
that's
not
the
goal.
L
K
All
right
from
the
standpoint
of
fact,
there
is
no
proposal.
If
we
don't
have
standing,
I
mean
the
the
bidders
are
gone
because
there
is
no
interest
in
government
body.
That's
interested
in
listening
to
this.
If
the
airport
authority
is
not
interested
and-
and
they
know
that
the
county
has
commissioners
who
are
against
it,
we're
the
only
people
left
standing
and
so
again
we
have
understanding
amongst
ourselves
that
we
have
no
desire
to
dissolve
into
all
that,
but
we
have
to
have
standing
in
order
to
hear
the
proposal.
A
M
Maybe
another
way
to
say
what
john
just
said
is
that
the
airport
authority
has
already
voted
not
to
go
forward
with
this,
and
if
we
don't
do
a
legislative
approach
to
it,
then
I
nothing
will
everything
will
probably
die.
There
won't
be
desire
by
the
airport
authority
or
by
the
county,
apparently
to
talk
about
this
any
further.
K
See
if
we
open
the
discussion,
then
we
would
have
a
conversation
at
that
point.
We
could
decide
collaborations
in
x,
y
and
z,
but
if
we
don't
have
a
conversation,
there
is
no
call
out.
There
is
no
conversation,
that's
where
we
are
now.
It
really
is
up
to
us
to
decide
we're
the
only
entity
right
now
that
can
make
a
decision,
because
the
others
have
decided.
They
don't
want
to
listen.
So
if
we
listen,
then
we
keep
the
conversation
alive.
If
we
don't
listen,
then
there
is
no
conversation.
J
Nancy
to
your
point,
nothing
in
the
10
years
that
I
have
lived
in
charlotte
county
slash
punta
gorda
have
led
me
to
believe
that
anybody
on
the
air,
thor
airport
authority
board
or
the
county
commission
wants
to
do
anything
in
collaboration
with
the
city
of
pine
gorda
and
the
thing
about
that.
That
scares
me
the
most
is:
if
we
do
this
and
we
listen
to
it
and
we
evaluate
it,
then
what
because
I
mean
they're
they're,
barely
talking
to
us
now,
you
know
I
mean
I
I
just
don't
see.
J
J
I
was
our
liaison
sure
you
were
the
liaison
john
and
I
both
been
the
liaison.
We
don't
ever
get
consulted
about
anything
that
they're
doing,
and
you
know-
probably
rightly
so,
but
sometimes
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
a
heads
up
that
something
was
going
to
happen,
but
we
don't
even
get
that
so
I
don't
see
how,
with
millions
and
billions
of
dollars
at
stake,
this
is.
This
is
the
time
to
start
collaboration.
K
To
the
legislature,
wanting
this
to
happen
empowers
us
and
empowers
our
community.
We
are
just
keeping
this
alive
so
that
our
community
has
a
possibility.
That's
what
we're
doing
right
now,
we're
keeping
it
alive,
because
we
do
have
the
support
of
that.
I
mean
how
this
turns
out,
how
it
turns
out,
but
we
have
to
keep
this
alive,
and
I
I
you
know
I
I
move
that
we
maintain
our
status
quo
and
keep
this
on
the
agenda.
A
A
A
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
three
to
two
okay
and
then
we
can
have
a
discussion
if
we
would
like
to
find
out
if
the
opportunity
still
exists
for
us
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
consultant
and
potentially
just
listen
to
what
they
have
to
say,
not
not
meaning
anything
more
than
that.
But
let's
you
know
it
might
be
worth
just
trying
to
have
a
conversation
to
see
how
that
plays
out
and
then
follow
up.
Maybe
in
next
year's
legislative
agenda
city
manager.
I
A
L
And
I
I
think
to
those
people
who
say
well,
I
found
out
from
my
friends.
Well
you
know,
I
guess
I
didn't
realize
we
had
a
responsibility
to
keep
every
elected
official
in
charlotte
county
up
to
speed
on
what
we
are
doing
here
in
the
city
of
pontogorda.
I
you
know
we
work
together,
but
it's
like
so
I
I
think
I
think
some
of
the
things
as
you've
said
before
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
said.
A
K
I'm
just
fearful,
we
probably
lowered
our
position
with
respect
and
as
as
a
city,
I
I
I
feel
that
in
this
case
we
were
the
people
who
could
at
least
keep
a
conversation
alive
to
benefit
our
residents
as
a
whole.
Because,
again,
not
only
are
we
the
city,
we're
the
county
seat,
and
I
think
that
we
owe
it
to
our
community
to
really
use
our
station
to
have
conversations,
and
I
I
don't
think
this
really
was
a
good
move
on
our
behalf
in
terms
of
respect
for
us
as
a
body
mayor.
M
I
I
fully
agree
that
we
should
all
work
together
to
make
something
happen.
I
believe
that
this
project
is
ppe,
aipp
should
have
been
heard
more
fully.
I
still
believe
that,
but
I
strongly
not
believe
that
trying
to
what
I
would
even
argue
is
backdooring
it
through
the
legislature
is
not
the
right
way
for
the
city
to
move
forward
on
this
issue.
M
G
A
Yeah,
I
don't
disagree
with
that
at
all
and
I
I
really
would
hate
to
see
the
legislature
move
forward
in
an
attempt
to
disband
the
airport
authority.
I
think
that
takes
away
more
home
rule
every
time,
something
like
that
happens
and
home
rule
is
extremely
important
to
all
of
us
and
the
the
minute
the
state
legislature
takes
away
local
municipality
ability
to
make
decisions
and
vote
things
into
law
at
their
own
local
level,
the
harder
it
gets
to
manage
your
government
and
your
your
citizenry.
A
A
In
their
meeting
there
were
protections
for
a
lot
of
the
private
pilots
and
the
tea
hangers
out
there
to
not
raise
fuel
prices
more
than
a
certain
percentage
per
year,
not
raise
your
rental
rates
more
than
a
certain
percentage
per
year.
There
were
a
lot
of
protections
for
all
the
people
that
operate
out
of
that
airport
in
that
agreement
and
that
presentation
that
was
made.
A
So
I
think
it's
worth
pursuing
a
conversation
and
let's
just
sit
down
and
talk
together
and
let's
work
together,
and
you
know
if
the
county
commissioners
want
to
bow
out
of
that.
That's
fine!
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
I
you
know,
I
think
we
all
have
a
very
nice
working
relationship
with
the
airport
authority
folks
and
I'd
like
to
keep
it
that
way.
K
One
last
thing
just
wanted
to
say:
yes,
we,
our
airport,
is
just
so
so
so
important,
and
I
I'm
hoping
that
we'll
be
going
through
articulates
how
important
the
airport
actually
is
is
that
the
airport's
footprint
is
not
the
geography
of
the
airport,
it
is
the
entire
region,
and
this
is
why
we're
in
this
is
that
we
that
we
hope
that
their
commissioners
understand
the
gravity
of
their
decisions,
that
they're
not
decisions
that
only
impact
the
airport
property.
They
impact
us
very
greatly.
That's
all.
F
I
am
the
liaison
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners
and
I
speak
with
them
daily
and
I
think
they
were
just
inquisitive
and
they
were
just
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
of.
Is
it
vasey?
Is
it
city?
Is
it
mike?
Graham,
you
know?
Is
it
other
legislatures
individuals?
I
heard
I
thought
I
heard
that
you
were
speaking
in
the
plural,
that
there
were
other
other
people
in
tallahassee
involved,
and
so
I
did
ask
the
question
trying
to
get
at
because
we
pay
we
pay.
F
F
F
I
don't
know
if
that
that
will
happen,
but
I
think
you've
opened
the
door
today
to
further
discussion
to
you
know
to
make
to
make
you
a
part
of
that
that
money
situation,
but
there
are
nancy
there
are
more
scripture
in
the
bible
related
to
money
than
any
other
subject,
and
so,
when
I
talk
about
greed,
it's
not
necessarily
appointed
at
the
city.
It's
just
in
humanity,
yeah
is
what
I
was
talking
about,
so
anyways
understood.
Thank
you.
I
speak
from
the
heart
and
hope
you
take
it
that
way.
Thank.
E
E
I
think
where
it
got
off
the
track
was
the
fact
in
your
legislative
proposal,
the
language
in
there
was
interpreted.
It
could
be
a
takeover
of
the
airport
and
I
think
what
your
decision
you
made
today
is
the
right
one:
get
it
out
of
the
legislative
proposal
you're.
Nowhere
near
doing
that-
and
you
have
like,
I
said,
every
right
to
listen
to
the
consultant
now,
hopefully
you're
going
to
pay
his
fee.
Not
our
not
us.
E
If
you
want
to
listen
to
him
because
he's
very
expensive,
but
I
think
he
did
the
right
move,
but
that's
the
bad
part.
It
was
on
the
legislative
deal
and
when
you
read
the
language
you
interpreted,
hey
we're
going
to
get
the
legislation
changed,
so
we
could
take
the
airport
over
depending
on
how
it
was
written
and
then
do
the
public-private
partnership
ourselves.
E
N
N
My
main
reason
for
not
wanting
to
go
to
continue
with
this
is
they
were
going
to
take
our
139th
certificate
and
that
is
who
runs
the
airport?
Are
we
going
to
exchange
our
responsibility
to
some
unknown
entity
for
a
couple
of
zillion
dollars
for
them
to
run
our
airport?
What's
going
to
happen
to
our
airport
who's
going
to
fly
into
our
airport?
What
countries
are
going
to
fly
into
our
airport?
We
would
have
no
absolutely
no
decisions
on
that,
because
our
139
certificate
is
gone
sold
to
the
highest
bidder.
We
can't
do
that.
N
I've
watched
this
airport
grow.
I
was
there
when
the
hurricane
came
and
charlie
just
devastated
us,
and
we
worked
out
of
a
trailer
for
a
couple
of
years
where
we
built
the
airport
back
up
little
by
little
by
little,
with
the
help
of
these
terrific
citizens.
Here
who
supported
us
also
and
some
legislative
help
from
our
our
government,
but
we
worked
hard
and
I
was
there.
I
was
there
in
the
trenches
and
I'm
here
now
to
tell
you
thank
you
for
your
decision
today.
N
A
D
What
you
were
talking
about
today
has
never
been
a
matter
of
dissolving
the
airport
authority.
It
has
been
a
matter
of
looking
at
an
idea.
As
you
all
know,
there
is
no
proposal.
You
know
people
talk
about.
Oh
my
gosh.
All
these
bad
things
are
going
to
happen.
Well,
there
is
nothing
there.
When
you
have
nothing
to
look
at,
then
there
is
nothing
good
or
bad
that
will
come
of
it.
D
D
D
You
as
members
of
this
community
have
contributed
to
the
value
of
the
airport
when
you
buy
a
ticket.
I
know
you
have
when
you
buy
a
ticket
that
goes
back
into
the
airport,
that
value
that
1.2
billion
dollars
every
year
right
now
that
comes
back
directly
and
indirectly
into
this
community.
That's
probably
going
to
continue.
That's
great!
That's
wonderful!
D
You
could
have
compounded
that
multiplied
that,
but
you
don't
know
that
if
you
can
encourage
the
airport
to
look
at
it
and
all
they
have
to
do
is
ask
so
that
they
can
find
out
because,
right
now
they
don't
know
and
to
say
no
to
something
you
don't
know
anything
about,
I
think,
is
irresponsible
on
the
part
of
an
elected
official.
So
thank
you
very
much
good
day.
Thank.
G
G
This
may
have
a
good
proposal,
we
don't
know,
but
right
now
it
just
seems
like
the
rather
underhanded
way
and
this
whole
thing
materialized
and
all
of
a
sudden.
It
came
out
and
hit
us
blindsidedly
and
to
sit
back
and
say
well,
this
started
several
years
ago,
and
it
did
that
bothered
me.
So
I
would
my
first
question
was:
don't
do
anything
until
you
know
more
about
it
and
the
airport
doesn't
know
as
much
about
as
they
should.
G
Nor
do
you
notice
the
county
commission,
but
I
think
if
this
thing
be
more
open
up
front
to
start
with,
I
think
everyone
would
have
been
more
acceptable
to
say,
let's
find
out
more
about
this
program.
Maybe
it
hasn't
worked
in
the
past.
Maybe
there's
something
different
today,
but
that
wasn't
the
case,
so
they
pushed
up
to
the
brink
and
they
probably
had
enough
and
said
no,
let's
back
away
from
this,
it's
not
a
bad
decision.
This
can
come
up
again,
very
simple
to
do,
and
I
agree
with
your
vote
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
H
H
H
Okay,
allegiant
could
pull
out
tomorrow
and
the
airport
would
then
be
a
small
general
aviation
airport.
Could
that
happen?
Yes,
it
could
happen.
Allegiant
right
now
has
grounded
and
many
of
their
airplanes
have
laid
off
a
lot
of
their
pilots.
Some
of
it's
due
to
the
wu
hong
virus.
Some
of
it's
due
to
the
economic
conditions.
Will
the
economic
conditions
approve
in
the
united
states?
Who
knows
this
can
happen,
and
the
airport
then
becomes
a
liability
to
whoever
owns
it.
H
H
A
I
just
have
one
closing
comment
and
that
is
to
say,
I
think,
each
of
us
up
here
pride
ourselves
in
our
integrity
and
our
professionalism,
and
in
no
way
does
this
mean
that
we
are
buckling
to
demands
of
another
governmental
body.
I
just
think
that
this
is
the
best
thing
for
us
at
this
moment
in
time,
and
I
would
like
to
continue
discussions
with
the
airport
authority
folks
and
we'll
see
where
it
goes,
and
with
that
I
wish
you
all
a
very
happy
holiday
season.