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City Council Meeting 02-19-2020
B
B
B
C
Let's
pray
father,
we
come
to
this
meeting,
trusting
your
protective
hand
to
fill
this
room.
We
also
know
that
our
City
Council
members
are
more
effective
when
leaders
pray
for
them
and
not
prey
upon
them.
We
gather
today
to
request
your
insight
into
the
needs
of
this
city
through
these
elected
officials,
may
your
wisdom
be
prominent
to
and
through
each
member
as
they
address
each
item
on
the
agenda
today.
B
It's
great
to
see
an
almost
full
house
here
this
morning.
Let's
say
hello
to
those
who
are
watching
us
on
the
live,
feed
and
we'll
begin
today
with.
We
have
no
proclamations,
but
we
do
have
two
presentations
so
for
these
presentations
I'm,
going
to
turn
that
over
to
Howard
for
the
for
the
first
one.
So.
A
A
We
have
a
Smitty
city
of
Punta
Gorda
and
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
well
and
our
building
official
will
say
a
few
more
words
Smitty
is
the
man
behind
our
Community
Rating
for
insurance
purposes,
he's
the
one
who
honchos
that
project
and
he's
done
quite
a
credible
job,
making
sure
that
we
get
the
best
discount
we
can
for
our
property
owner.
So
Smitty
come
on
up,
get
your
ward.
E
E
F
Morning,
everybody
chief
Pam
Davis
punta
gorda
police
department,
and
today
we
are
going
to
recognize
two
of
our
volunteers
for
their
10
years
of
dedicated
service
and
our
volunteer
program.
But
let
me
just
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
every
I
think
you
guys
know
by
now
how
I
feel
about
our
volunteer
program
I
think
it's
the
best
in
the
country.
We
have
three
actual
programs.
We
have
our
chaplain
program,
our
volunteers
in
policing,
and
we
have
our
reserve
officers.
F
It
actually
started
back
in
1997
with
our
Marine
unit
and
our
chaplain
program
and
it
has
grown.
We
now
have
80
volunteers.
They
are
on
bikes,
they're
on
boats.
They
are
in
cars,
they
do
our
records,
they
do
our
fingerprinting,
they
do
all
kinds
of
stuff.
So
today
we
get
to
honor
two
great
great
people,
Leroy
Dunn
and
Ross
Ziegler,
affectionately
known
as
Ziggy,
so
so
Lee
he's
generally
been
in
volunteers
on
patrol
he's
out
in
the
car.
F
So
we
just
we
couldn't
do
it
without
these
two
gentlemen,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
both
you
for
your
service
to
our
department
and
and
to
our
city,
and
just
to
give
you
an
idea.
Last
year,
our
volunteers
did
it
over
13,000
hours
of
their
own
time,
which
is
equivalent
to
about
six
and
a
third
full-time
employees.
So
thank
you
guys,
thank
you
to
our
volunteers,
who
are
here
today
our
coordinators.
We
could
not
do
what
we
do
without
our
volunteers.
Thank
you.
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B
B
H
Yes,
thank
you.
This
is
s
V
0,
1,
1
9,
the
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
that'll
read
by
title
only
in
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida,
naming
the
unnamed
50-foot
right,
50-foot
wide
right
of
way
lying
in
Section,
seven
Township,
41
south
of
range
23,
East,
Charlotte,
County
Florida,
as
recorded
in
plat
book
3,
page
38
of
the
public
records
of
Charlotte
County
Florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
Exhibit
A
attached
hereto
as
Desmond
Layne
and
providing
an
effective
date.
I
Good
morning,
Lisa
Hanna
zoning
official
this
week,
staff
received
this
request.
Some
time
ago
at
the
October
16th
2019
City
Council
meeting
staff
was
directed
to
move
forward.
So
a
resolution
of
intent
to
name
the
unnamed
roadway
was
approved
by
City
Council
at
the
December
8th
20-19
meeting,
and
this
is
just
the
formal
ordinance
for
the
first
reading
and
then
we'll
have
the
second
reading
just
to
adopt
it
and
make
it
official.
Okay.
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B
J
B
J
B
B
H
Item
is
GA
0,
1
2,
0
0,
which
is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
that
I'll
read
by
title
only
the
ones
of
the
Council
of
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
Florida,
amending
chapter
11
of
the
Punta
Gorda
city
code.
This
is
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
development
impact
fee,
ordinance,
providing
findings,
intent
and
revised
definitions
providing
for
waiver
of
applicability
for
certain,
affordable
housing,
amending
benefit
districts,
providing
for
imposition
of
impact
fees,
providing
for
calculation
of
impact
fees
and
establishing
new
impact
fee
schedules
for
parks,
mobile
and
Public
Safety
effective.
H
M
B
N
I
for
the
record
Suzanne
Graham,
chairman
of
the
governmental
affairs
committee
for
the
Charlotte
DeSoto
Building
Industry
Association,
on
behalf
of
our
president,
Melanie
Markel
I'd,
like
to
state
a
few
facts
about
the
impact.
The
ordinance
as
staff
just
stated,
County
staff
did
meet
with
the
realtor.
Is
the
builders
and
the
Chamber's
asking
for
our
input.
All
council
members
were
present
and
we
gave
our
input
similar
to
the
counties,
the
county
structure,
I'm,
sorry
city
staff
had
met
with
us
and
we
gave
input
as
to
what
the
county
is
currently
doing.
N
There
is
a
need
for
affordable
housing
which,
when
we
interviewed
you
as
candidates,
you
all
mention
the
necessity
for
workforce
housing
automatic
increases
annually
so
that
we
have
a
built
in
mechanism
based
on
construction
cost
index
and
assessed
property
values.
Staff
told
us
that
they
didn't
feel
that
that
was
necessary
focus
on
economic
development.
100
homes
a
year
is
not
going
to
bring
in
the
shortfall
that
you
need
to
fund
your
capital
improvement
wants
and
needs.
By
implementing
at
a
hundred
percent
it
will
hurt
economic
development.
N
Your
Planning
Commission
recommended
a
hundred
percent
increase
after
you
had
directed
staff
at
50,
75
and
a
hundred
percent
did
the
Planning
Commission
get
the
reptillus
report?
If
so
when?
If
not,
how
can
they
recommend
without
all
the
facts?
As
far
as
we
went
back
to
all
the
Planning
Commission
meetings,
we
did
not
see
that
they
had
any
presentation
from
reptillus.
Your
current
ordinance
states
final
report.
The
final
technical
report
dated
January
11
2020.
N
Nowhere
on
your
council
minutes
videos
can
we
find
the
final
report.
Anything
that
we
have
our
hands
on
is
dated
June
28th
of
2019,
which
was
presented
at
the
July
10th
meeting.
Your
comp
plan
is
dated
April
2017,
your
CIP
list
was
updated,
December
2019
the
raft
hill,
a
study
used
a
CIP
2019
for
your
parks
and
trails.
It
also
used
the
CIP
2019
for
your
mobility
fee
section
for
Public
Safety
reptillus
draft
report
says
they
worked
with
staff
to
evaluate
and
resurrect
the
fees
that
were
suspended
with
the
2011
comp
plan.
N
So
what
data
was
used?
It's
not
shown
in
this
study
was
it
the
comp
plan
or
the
updated
CPI
or
CIP
flashlights
tasers
and
computers
are
not
capital
improvements.
What
would
the
total
impact
fees
for
this
city
be
with
the
county's
portion?
We
don't
see
that
broken
out
in
your
ordinance
or
in
the
study.
The
draft
report
does
not
state
what
the
administrative
fees
are.
Mr.
Kunak
told
the
count
of
this
council
that
this
county
raised
their
fees
only
5%
last
year.
That
is
not
true.
N
They
had
two
increases
last
year,
one
in
July
and
one
in
November.
The
one
in
November
was
based
on
the
automatic
increases
that
are
built
into
their
ordinance,
which
we
recommended
that
you
put
in
to
yours.
Impact
fees
cannot
be
used
for
infrastructure
maintenance.
You
solicit
the
input
from
the
various
business
groups,
but
chose
not
to
listen
to
us.
Collection
of
impact
fees
may
not
be
required
to
occur
prior
to
the
issuance
of
a
building.
N
O
Anybody
that
looks
at
an
impact
fee
and
says
I
got
to
pay
another
thousand
dollars
or
three
thousand
dollars
is
probably
not
gonna.
Last
in
business
anyway,
that's
not
what
they
look
at.
They
count
the
rooftops,
they
count
the
land
value
and
they
count
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
for
construction
I
would
urge
you
to
keep
the
ordinance
in
the
under
process
in
the
first
year
mate.
Thank
you.
Thank.
P
For
the
record,
Paul
Shaffers
sage
homes
to
rebut
mr.
Weiner,
when
we
say
it
affects
the
building
industry,
we're
talking
about
our
ability
to
sell
houses,
as
he
stated,
these
costs
get
passed
on
to
the
homeowners.
So
your
neighbors
behind
the
canal
they're
the
people
that
will
be
paying
this
fee,
not
Paul
Shaffer,
not
melodie
Markel,
not
the
commercial
people,
but
the
individual
homeowners
now
consider.
If
you
will,
if
mr.
Smith
comes
to
town
and
buys
an
existing
home,
he
pays
no
impact
fees.
Mr.
Jones
buys
a
vacant
lot
next
door
and
builds
a
house.
P
P
Anyway,
just
again
the
idea
that
when
someone
moves
to
the
town
they're
impacting
us
whether
they
buy
a
new
home
or
an
existing
home,
you
know
whether
they
build
a
new
home
or
purchase
an
existing
home.
This
idea
that
you
can
impact
just
the
new
people
who
choose
to
build
a
new
home
and
not
everyone
that
comes
in,
doesn't
make
sense.
It
doesn't
hold
water
I.
Just
ask
you
to
take
that
into
consideration
again.
P
Up
these
rates,
and
now
they're
gonna
have
to
pay
another.
Forty
five
hundred
bucks,
their
house
just
got
smaller
or
they
can't
build
that
new
home
that
they've
been
dreaming
of
and
saving
up
for
years,
and
that
is
wrong.
You
need
the
whole
idea
of
our
input
to
you,
guys
was
to
say,
give
people
time
to
adjust.
You
go
into
50
percent,
your
later,
you
bump
it
up
or
every
months
later
you
bump
it
up.
Then
you
bump
it
up.
P
You
give
people
a
chance
to
adjust
the
budget,
give
people
a
chance
to
figure
it
out,
but
coming
in
one
fell
swoop
and
sang
boom.
Here's
another
five
thousand
bucks
that
affects
people
that
affects
people
in
a
variable
way
real
way.
Much
more
so
I'd
say
then
the
number
of
people
who
have
been
waiting
to
hear
what
happened
with
Trump's
impeachment.
This
is
gonna
affect
them
much
more
than
that
did.
Thank
you.
Thank.
J
K
Other
comments,
I
have
a
different
view
of
this,
because
when
my
house
was
built,
the
person
who
built
it
paid
an
impact
fee
and
then,
when
they
sold
their
house
to
me,
that
cost
was
absorbed
by
me
and
I'm.
Sorry.
But
if
you
get
a
30-year
mortgage
and
you
can't
afford
$3,000
more,
then
you
probably
shouldn't
be
living
in
that
house
and
I'm.
Q
Again,
if
we
were
only
talking
residential,
maybe
that's
a
different
thing,
but
again
we're
acting
as
if
the
commercial
impact
fees
are
not
a
part
of
this
ordinance,
and
that's
that's
more.
My
point
as
that
is
that
we're
so
in
such
a
dire
level
less
than
we
used
to
have
in
the
city
and
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
maintain
our
residents
with
taxes
for
our
resident
at
the
same
level.
B
S
A
J
M
So,
looking
at
a
2500,
square-foot
home
single
family
home,
under
our
current
parks
and
transportation
impacts,
the
total
would
be
the
total
city.
Impact
fees
would
be
one
thousand
two
hundred
seventy-three
dollars
under
the
proposed
impacts,
including
parks,
mobility
and
Public
Safety.
The
total
City
impact
fees
would
be
three
thousand
eight
hundred
and
twenty
at.
M
One
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ten
dollars.
Okay
and
again,
you
can
see
the
biggest
portion
of
that
was
the
public
safety
I
mean
you're,
adding
back
something
that
we
took
away
in
2011.
You
know
when
we
had
five
separate
impact
fees
we
used
to
have
police
fire
and
general
government
in
addition
to
the
parks
and
transportation.
K
S
B
Q
It's
exactly
it
if
we,
if
we
have
a
bad
regulatory
situation-
and
we
mean
it
this-
this
doesn't
matter.
If
we,
if
we
don't
have
a
code,
you
can
build.
In
fact,
fees
up
or
down
doesn't
matter
so
I
mean
our
pre-existing
conditions
regarding
the
commercial
already
were
against
us
having
commercial
development.
This
is
just
an
added
disincentive
to
this
until
we
fix
that.
Q
Yeah,
actually,
yes,
it
does.
Yes,
this
is
a
real
equation,
because
until
someone
sells
that
are
rented
out,
there
has
to
be
paid
for
one
thing
understand:
the
any
developer
has
to
finance
this
ahead
of
time,
and
so
it's
not
like
it's
just
immediately
passed
through,
say
if
you
can
sell
it.
Yes,
but
if
not,
this
is
just
part
of
the
equation
is
that
we
have
to
be
competitive
with
the
rest
of
the
county
and
the
at
this
moment
we're
not
competitive
on
many
levels.
T
A
Know
the
impact
fees
you
can
pay
those
impact
fees
from
another
revenue
source
which
we
can
do,
but
you
just
can't
the
only
impact
fees
that
based
on
this
Curt,
this
proposed
ordinance
is
that
affordable
housing
would
not
have
to
pay
any
impact
fees
as
long
as
they
keep
the
housing
for
ten
years.
Mm-Hmm,
that's
based
on
new
state
law.
So
that's
the
only
thing
we
can
wait
can.
A
S
A
B
And
I
can
understand
a
mister
Schafer's
question
about
with.
If
one
family
moves
in
does
it
is
that
the
difference
is
that
incremental
difference
of
one
family
going
to
make
or
break
something,
probably
not,
but
the
impact
of
a
hundred
homes
being
built
and
a
hundred
families
moving
in
now
we're
talking
an
impact
on
our
community.
All
you
have
to
look
at
is
the
traffic
and
in
our
community
the
increase
over
the
last
few
years.
So
you
can
see
the
difference.
R
B
H
A
A
However,
this,
if
this
project
does
get
approved,
we
still
have
to
go
through
the
whole
process,
like
we
did
for
Buckley's
past
Iran
sultan
to
do
the
methodology
apportionment
per
unit,
but
this
is
the
best
available
information
we
have
at
the
time.
So
this
all
this
was
presented
and
at
the
community
meeting.
So
if
you
so,
the
timeline
is
that
the
undergrounding
committee
for
burnt
star
isles
would
like
to
do
a
straw
poll
and
that's
in
front
of
you
today
we'll
get
to
the
language
in
a
minute.
A
A
The
committee
has
already
stated
publicly
at
the
community
meeting
that
if
the
straw
poll
results
come
back
negative,
the
people
did
not
approve
of
this.
They
are
not
going
to
recommend
it
go
forward
at
all
if
it
does
go
forward
and
if
counsel
proceeds,
because
you
are
the
decision-maker-
this
is
just
a
straw
poll.
We
will
then
engage
the
services
of
a
methodology
consultant
and
adopt
allocation
methodology.
Hopefully,
by
August
you
can
adopt
a
resolution
of
a
test
in
December.
A
A
So
what
in
front
of
you
is
the
straw
ballot
they
will
be
sent
out
so
city
clerk
will
handle
the
process.
First-Class
postage
using
the
property,
appraisers
property
owner
record
on
file,
and
here
it
is
in
front
of
you-
and
we
would
like
council
to
approve
the
straw,
a
ballot
language
and
the
resolution.
So
we
can
get
move
forward
and
have
all
of
the
ballots
returned
by.
Is
it
April,
15th,
April,
15.
L
But
it's
not
a
debate
whether
we
should
or
should
not
move
forward
on
undergrounding.
But
it's
really
only
to
approve
allowing
the
affected
property
owners
that
burns
tiles
to
have
the
opportunity
to
say
yes
or
no
in
a
straw
ballot
process,
whether
they
like
to
move
forward.
So
I
had
urged
members
of
City
Council
to
keep
that
singular
thought
in
mind
and
not
to
be
drawn
into
or
distracted
by.
Arguments,
however,
well
meant
as
to
other
aspects
of
the
proposal.
L
There
would
be
time
for
that
later,
a
lot
of
other
subsequent
meetings
that
we're
going
to
be
having.
So
it's
simply
the
time
as
I've
said,
to
have
an
up
or
down
vote
something
we've
sought
for
many
many
years
and
I
heard
Council
to
approve
the
resolution
and
allow
the
draw
ballot
process
to
move
forward
as
soon
as
possible.
Thank
you.
U
For
the
record
check
Petrosino
as
chairman
of
the
committee
for
the
past
five
years
today
brings
us
to
a
question
that
needs
to
be
answered.
There
would
be
no
resolution
to
this
matter
if
it
is
not
put
forth.
The
only
question
remains
is:
will
the
owners
of
the
property
and
burn
snow
Royals
have
or
have
not
an
enhanced
delivery
of
electric
service
to
their
community,
so
the
straw
ballot
is
tantamount
to
that
question.
Thank
you.
B
S
B
Councilmembers
I've
had
a
lot
of
questions
from
people
wanting
to
know
what
will
cancel
do
and
it's.
You
know
this
is
a
straw
poll,
but
the
straw
poll
isn't
unofficial,
but
I
have
assured
the
residents
who
have
asked
me.
I
said
the
council
will
listen
to
the
will
of
the
the
community
and
that
will
not
impose
something
that
the
community
itself
does
not
want.
So
I
hope
that
you
were
in
agreement
with
that.
B
K
B
C
V
Come
on
Ken
Lampkin,
president
of
burn,
store
aisles
534
to
loose
I'm
here
today
and
I
want
to
say
good
morning
to
everybody
here
and
God
bless
everybody
for
the
freedom
that
we
have
to
be
here.
This
is
a
special
freedom
in
this
direction
of
what
we're
doing
right
now,
with
underground
utilities.
I
think
this
is
a
great
thing
and
many
people,
neighbors
and
community
people
have
expressed
this
with
me.
This
is
something
that
right
now.
If
this
was
a
new
development
amen,
it
would
be
push
it
forward
and
go
with
it.
First.
V
Our
Isles
is
an
old
development.
It's
probably
in
the
3540
year
range.
What
we're
gonna
encounter
is
not
something
that
it
is
easily
done.
I've
worked
for
utility
companies,
construction
companies,
I've
been
in
contact
with
FPL
I'm
from
up
north
Niagara.
Mohawk
was
up
there,
it's
a
great
thing
to
do
underground,
but
it
isn't
a
problem-solver.
V
There
is
underground
shorts
or
is
underground
faults.
Fpl
has
done
an
awful
lot
for
all
of
us
out
on
41
in
in
bird
store,
aisles
and
god
forbid.
If
there's
another
charlie
hurricane
I
think
FPL
be
there
for
all
of
us
I,
don't
think
this
is
an
urgency
issue.
I
think
it's
just
an
issue
that
somewhere
along
the
line,
we've
started
this.
It's
like
a
snowball,
running
downhill
and
it's
something
that
just
is
continually
moving,
whether
it
should
or
shouldn't
go,
that's
not
up
to
me,
but
I
think
it's
up
to
all
the
people.
W
W
W
I've
been
a
member
of
BSA
a
since
the
early
90s
or
about
28
years
now.
I
retire
is
vice
president
of
construction
and
a
member
of
the
board
of
a
major
New
Jersey
commercial,
real
estate,
developer
I
can
read
construction
drawings,
and
these
are
copies
of
new
construction
drawings
for
the
condo
complexes
and
Madrid
and
Marseilles
courts.
I
think
there's
a
big
problem
with
this
underground
proposal.
That
needs
to
be
addressed.
W
A
sentence
in
the
second
paragraph
of
the
proposal
letter
reads:
the
total
project
planning
estimate
includes
the
cost
to
connect
to
those
neighbors
who
are
already
completely
served
by
underground
utilities
per
FPL.
The
rerouting
of
those
cables
are
embedded
in
the
estimate
and
cannot
be
split
out.
I
didn't
think
that
there
would
be
any
new
work
for
the
condos
or
from
a
grid
and
more
say
courts,
because
they
already
have
underground
services.
W
W
And
why
would
all
the
other
single
family,
property
owners
and
bs
I
have
to
pay
for
it,
as
the
cause
of
that
work
is,
as
the
letter
states
embedded
in
the
current
estimate,
so
I
looked
at
the
drawings
I
had
obtained
from
a
public
records
request
to
the
city
by
the
way
I
had
asked
for
the
FPL
drawings
from
an
underground
committee
member,
but
was
told
that
they
cannot
give
me
a
copy
of
them.
Transparency
right,
the
FPL
drawing
show
extensive
work
being
done
at
all
the
condos
and
the
tea
streets.
W
Newberry
primary
wiring
to
existing
transformers
has
indicated
on
the
drawings
a
few
new
transformers
willing
to
be
installed.
It
appears
that
FPL
is
trying
to
establish
loop
circuits
where
they
didn't
previously
exist
and
for
FP
NL
to
state
that
they
cannot
break
out
the
cost
of
that
work.
It's
total
bullcrap!
Why
are
the
single
felony
property
owners
currently
pending
the
methodology
report
being
asked
to
pay
for
the
work
when
it
is
clearly
to
benefit
the
condos?
W
When
asked
that
question
an
underground
committee
member
told
me
that
the
methodology
report
may
come
back
and
say
that
the
condo
owners
will
have
to
pay
an
assessment,
as
they
will
have
been
a
bit
benefited
from
the
SPL
work.
To
me,
this
is
totally
unfair.
The
condo
owners
don't
get
to
vote
on
the
straw
ballot,
yet
they
may
be
assessed
in
the
future
watchout
condo
owners,
but
the
real
benefit
entity
here
is
FPL.
W
They
get
to
update
their
primary
wiring
to
create
a
loop
system
at
the
condos
with
a
single
family
property
owners
currently
scheduled
to
pick
up
the
cost
of
that
work.
That
course
should
be
borne
by
FPL.
It
is
an
update
to
their
system
to
charge
the
single
family,
property
owners,
or
even
the
condo
owners
for
this
work
is
totally
unfair
to
summarize
FP
NL
to
do
extensive
work
at
the
condo
complexes.
That
cost
is
in
the
proposed
assessment
to
the
single
family
property
owners.
Is
this
fair
I
think
not?
Thank
you.
B
X
Morning,
Jeff
Finkelstein
I'm
living
bs
I
just
moved
here.
Less
than
a
year
ago,
I've
been
in
municipal
government
for
35
years,
just
retired.
What
really
concerns
me
about
straw
poll
is,
it
says
approximately
seventeen
million
dollars
is
all
of
us
know
that
have
been
a
municipal
government
contracts
run
over
if
this
is
less
than
25
million
dollars.
One
of
the
things
over
with
with
add-ons
or
any
kind
of
unpredicted
problems
with
installing
the
system.
I
think
that
seventeen
million
dollars
is
not
an
accurate
number
and
I.
X
Y
S
Z
B
B
G
K
I
just
say
two
words
as
to
why
we
should
do
a
straw
poll
Buckley's
past
I
think
had
we
done
this
for
Buckley's
past,
we
could
have
saved
ourselves
a
lot
of
grief
and
I.
I
commend
the
burnt
store
aisle
folks
for
at
least
pursuing
it.
This
way
and
taking
the
risk
of
having
your
community
voted
down
good
job.
S
J
At
first
I
want
to
state
that
I
do
support
the
project.
However
Anna
and
I'm
very
happy
to
see
that
a
straw
poll
is
being
done
for
the
same
reason,
Debbie
just
stated,
buckley's
pass
was
a
total
debacle,
because
we
should
have
right
from
the
get-go.
We
should
have
had
a
citizen
input
on
it
by
vote
by
at
least
a
straw
poll
vote.
J
I
would
suggest,
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
perhaps
we
at
this
point
and
I
think
it's
the
time
that
we
have
to
do
this-
that
there
should
be
a
minimum
of
a
60%
approval
rating
on
the
on
the
straw
poll
before
we
would
ever
consider
moving
it
forward.
This
is
not
a
Buckley's
pass,
1,000
or
$2,000
assessment.
J
This
is
a
huge,
huge
chunk
of
change
for
homeowners
and
I'm
very
concerned
that
if
they
got
a
simple
majority
of
51%
that
we're
going
to
force
this
on
all
the
residents
of
Bret
Stiles,
who
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
afford
it
and
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
are
living
on
fixed
incomes
and
and
they're
still
complaining
to
me
about
Buckley's
pass.
You
know
we
we
did
that
we
did
it
the
wrong
way.
J
I
set
it
from
the
beginning
and
I
set
it
all
the
way
through
to
the
end,
I
think
we
I
think
we
owe
it
to
the
citizens
to
at
least
have
more
than
a
simple
majority
of
people
supporting
this
before
we
move
it
forward
and
before
it
even
comes
back
to
City
Council,
and
maybe
the
Bern
store
aisles
Association
can
come
up
with
a
realistic
number,
but
I'm
anywhere
between
my
opinion,
is
anywhere
between
60%
or
two-thirds
should
should
vote
in
favor
of
this
buy
straw
poll.
Before
we
push
it
forward.
B
R
R
S
B
Have
to
be
disagree
with
that
there
is
a
okay.
There
is
a
timetable
that
we
have
to
adhere
to,
and
so
we
do
not.
This
needs
to
be
mailed
out
on
March,
the
second
for
us
to
meet
our
timetable.
We
do
not
have
another
City
Council
meeting
before
then
so
I
I
would
agree
that
we
51
50
percent
plus
one
is
certainly
not
enough.
So
the.
B
J
B
B
Don't
think
today
is
that
as
a
time
for
us
to
decide
what
is
that
number?
It's
we
want
to
hear
from
the
residents
I
want
to
hear
from
the
residents.
Do
you
want
this,
or
do
you
not
and
I
understand?
The
comment
of
this
is
a
planning
estimate,
but
just
like
Buckley's
past
cost
came
in
under,
but
then
they
ran
into
some
issues,
so
the
cost
probably
will
come
in
under
at
this
point,
but
it's
got
to
be
pretty
close.
K
AA
That
Mikael
Finkel
apparently
go
for
the
record.
The
straw
poll
is
non-binding,
so
there
are
no
rules
about
what
has
to
be
in
it,
you're,
basically
getting
an
opinion
from
the
community
or
those
who
participate
as
to
their
opinion
on
the
project
you
will
see
in
this
resolution
in
the
$75
we
did
have
a
warez
clause
in
there
stating
the
50%
plus
one
that
has
been
removed
from
this
resolution
that
gives
city
council
the
opportunity
to
base
their
decision.
AA
Should
it
come
in
on
any
of
the
factors
you
know
regarding
the
straw
poll,
it's
not
limiting
you
to.
If
it
is
over
60%,
then
you
you're
forced
to
still
do
it,
or
so
we
left
it
generic
so
that
when
the
results
come
in,
those
can
be
analyzed
by
the
council
looked
at
in
any
way
that
you
want
to
and
help
that
make
your
decision
again.
That's
it's
a
non-binding
straw
poll,
there's,
no,
it's
not
governed
by
the
election
rules
or
anything
like
that.
That's.
Q
B
Q
R
B
S
J
B
AB
Mellisa
record
communications
manager.
We
gave
you
the
full
presentation
about
this
program
on
January
8th.
If
you
recall,
we've
had
both
our
attorney
mr.
Levin
and
the
attorney
for
the
National
League
of
Cities
utility
services.
Partner
group
negotiate
this
this
resolution
and
if
you
have
any
questions
now
about
the
program,
we
do
have
mr.
Zell
here
in
the
audience
as
well.
J
I've
heard
from
a
few
citizens
about
this
and
I
and
I
spoke
to
the
gentleman
before
we
started
our
meeting,
and
this
is
for
the
benefit
of
those
who
have
not
had
a
conversation
with
me
already
about
it.
I've
been
contacted
by
a
number
of
people
asking.
Are
they
going
to
be
hounded
by
phone
calls
or
mailings
asking
to
participate
in
this
program,
and
they
absolutely
do
not
want
any
that?
AB
AC
Specifically
to
point
out,
we
do
not
call
anyone,
that's
not
part
of
this
program,
so
the
information
is
strictly
in
a
letter
when
we
send
the
letter
out,
it
is
to
educate
the
residents
on
the
responsibility
of
their
portion
of
the
city
infrastructure,
the
portion
the
city
maintains
and
help
them
understand
the
National
aging
infrastructure
issue.
I
did
speak
with
the
vice
mayor
and
I
will
let
you
know
that
at
all
times,
not
even
just
now,
but
at
all
times
any
resident
is
welcome
to.
AC
Let
us
know
that
they
would
prefer
not
to
continue
receiving
information.
So
we
that's
part
of
it.
I
would
do
the
program
and
once
we
know
that
they're
completely
removed
there
will
be
no
other
communication
letters.
Anything
and
that's
the
only
thing
we
do
is
the
letter
we
send
out
information
in
the
spring
related
to
springiest
sewer
issues.
True
news
issues
like
that
fall
is
related
to
the
changing
of
the
season.
That
impacts
water,
sewer
issues
and
then
in
you
don't
have
winter,
but
in
the
winter.
AC
AC
Communicate
in
this,
just
as
I
said,
the
spring,
the
fall
in
the
winter,
the
reason
the
number
is
there
is
when
we
communicate,
we
send
a
letter
out
and
it's
these
are
all
voluntary
programs.
So
there's
no
expectation
for
any
response,
but
we
send
out
a
letter
simultaneously,
there's
a
letter
that
just
arrives
ten
days
later
and
it
is
a
reminder
in
case
you've
forgotten
this
is
available
and
then
that's
it.
So
that's
the
entire
communication.
AC
Q
J
K
S
B
B
AC
Their
choice,
there's
no
there's,
even
if
a
person
person
participates
just
so
you
know,
even
if
a
person
chooses
voluntarily
to
participate
in
the
program,
there
is
no
follow
up
on
them.
Continuing
because
this
is
truly
a
month-to-month
program.
So
if
they
don't
decide
to
use
it,
we
don't
call
them.
We
don't
make
any
communication
saying
hey.
Last
month
we
didn't
see
anything.
There
is
no
communication,
our
interpretation
is
they
discontinued,
so
we're
just
very
clear:
there's
no
expectation,
no
requirement,
no
expectation,
no
minimum
number
of
residents
that
need
to
participate.
B
Question
I
have
is,
will
you
be
letting
people
know
that
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
will
be
not
be
benefiting
from
this,
because
in
in
the
overall
program,
municipalities
can
choose
to
receive
funds
that
they
may
used,
and
so
somebody
might
go
to
the
website
and
see
this
and
go
what
wait
a
minute?
What's
the
city
getting
from
this
and
we've
chosen
not
to
we
want
our
residents
to
get
the
lowest
rate
possible.
Yes,.
T
AC
AB
AB
AC
AC
J
B
AF
Good
morning,
I'm
magnin
resident
of
Florida
I
just
have
a
question
when
these
letters
are
sent
out,
are
they
address
to
the
homeowner
or
is
it
address
just
to
resident
and
what
happens
when
someone
moves
from
that
resident?
Do
you
send
a
new
letter
out
to
the
new
homeowner
or
is
it
is
it
am
I
gonna
get
a
letter
that
says
resident
in
my
address.
AC
Our
our
best
efforts
are
as
current
as
the
data
we
have
is,
which
we
get
every
three
six
months,
basically
to
be
to
the
specific
property
owner
of
that
property
and
I
think
everybody
would
understand
that
as
quickly
as
records
with
sale.
Properties
occur,
that's
probably
the
most
accurate
method
for
us.
So
when
we
receive
updated
data
it
may
have.
If
you
just
closed
in
the
last
90
days,
you
may
see
a
primer
if
you
are
current
and
that
data
is
updated
and
we
have
that.
W
T
B
AC
National
League
of
Cities
were
communicating
it
to
partner
cities
across
the
nation,
so
the
benefit
is
hopefully
it
ever
helps.
The
cities
deal
with
aging
infrastructure
and
it'd
be
a
long
discussion,
but
some
of
you
already
know
the
impact
that
we're
able
to
help
cities
with
on
the
city
infrastructure
by
helping
communicate
the
issue
to
the
residents.
I
heard
this
question.
AE
AC
Very
interesting
point:
we
do
not
sell
this
data
and
not
asking
it
but
I'm
answering
it.
Also,
in
your
case,
we
and
all
the
cities
we
asked
them,
do
you
prefer
for
us
to
use
an
outside
source
for
this
data,
or
do
you
wish
for
us
to
use
data
that
the
city
would
offer
and
for
your
city?
I
will
already
move
to
not
use
any
city
data,
so
the
data
would
be
public
knowledge
already,
and
that
way
we
would
eliminate.
There
is
no.
AC
We
don't
have
an
incentive,
there's
no
real
reason
for
us
to
use
that
data.
We're
sort
of
bound
by
some
things.
Then
I'll
don't
allow
us
to
communicate
data,
because
this
program
is
very
tight
because
we
have
sometimes
people's
financial
information
because
they
give
it
to
us
as
part
of
what
they
want
to
do
in
the
program.
AC
Q
AC
The
high
level
version
of
this
is
basically
the
National
League
of
Cities
service
line
program
is
all
about
working
with
cities
to
help
communicate
the
aging
infrastructure
issue
in
our
nation.
The
water
and
sewer
infrastructure
in
our
nation
is
rated
a
d-plus,
and
that
report
came
from
the
American
side,
Society
of
Civil
Engineers
in
2013.
Since
that
time,
we've
worked
with
cities
across
the
entire
nation
to
help
them
discuss
this
issue
and
as
cities
realize
that
they're
doing
a
phenomenal
job,
the
cities
individually
of
maintaining
and
improving
the
aging
City
infrastructure.
AC
The
issue
is,
as
you
improve
your
infrastructure,
it
leaves
the
weakest
links
connecting
to
that
infrastructure
as
where
we
see
the
most
failures
and
unfortunately,
that
comes
along
at
the
same
time,
where
residents
have
no
understanding.
Currently
that
often
the
city's
infrastructure
ends
frequently,
we
would
define
it
at
the
water
meter
so
from
the
water
meter
up
to
their
property.
That's
not
the
cities
and
from
their
property
back
to
the
tap
on
the
sewer
main,
which
is
not
a
common
term
for
everyone.
So
they
don't
understand.
AC
But
it's
beyond
the
city's
response
point
of
responsibility
beyond
the
meter
so
forth,
and
so
this
program
is
all
about
helping
them
understand
the
public
policy
of
the
city
as
it
relates
to
this
question
and
our
purpose,
there
is
to
actually
inform
residents
on
this
circumstance
so
that
in
the
future,
hopefully
the
Dave.
The
letter
comes
is
a
good
day,
but
help
them
understand
in
the
future
if
they
have
an
issue,
they
make
contact
with
the
city.
There's
an
issue
understand
today.
AC
Our
answer
is
that,
if
it's
beyond
the
meter
or
before
the
tap
on
the
mean
this
will
be
your
responsibility,
we
would
like
you
to
understand
the
cost
related.
These
are
not
small
dollar
items.
So
therefore
we
would
like
you
to
be
aware
there
is
a
voluntary
program
that
is
a
safety
net
program
available
from
the
National
League
of
Cities
available
to
all
residents
at
no
cost
to
the
city
using
no
city
tax
dollars,
so
that
if
they
choose
voluntarily
to
participate
in
the
program,
they
can
get
help
with
this
kind
of
issue.
AC
AC
B
AC
It's
very
common
in
Florida
and
it's
the
United
States
is
different,
but
in
Florida
the
acidity
of
the
soil
is
not
a
friend
of
copper
pipes
and
so
in
Florida,
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
homes
have
copper
pipes.
It's
do
you
think
this
is
great
quality,
copper,
but,
in
this
environment,
is
very
challenging
the
the
soil,
the
salty
air
it
causes
corrosion.
Then
the
other
number
one
issue
in
Florida,
which
is
unique,
is
in
Florida.
AC
You
are
the
lightning
strike
capital
of
the
United
States
and
because
of
another
scientific
issue
that
impacts
you
is
when
you
have
the
corrosion
all
over
your
copper
pipes
in
the
ground
and
the
walls
when
the
lightning
strikes
it
doesn't
have
to
hit
your
house.
It
just
strikes
near
your
home.
What
happens
is
the
copper
acts
like
a
lightning
rod
and
it
releases
from
that
electric
charge?
It
releases
all
of
the
corrosion
which
is
clocking
in
a
good
way.
B
AE
B
J
B
We'll
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda
before
we
do
we've
had
we're
pulling
item
c1
from
the
consent
agenda,
there's
some
issues
that
need
to
be
just
reworked
on
that
one.
So
that
leaves
us
with
two
items
on
the
consent
agenda,
which
is
minutes
in
a
legal
department
any
that
anyone
was
just
to
pull.
We
will
take
citizens
comments
on
consent,
agenda
items
which
it's
pretty
limited
today:
the
city,
the
approval
of
minutes
and
a
legal
department
invoice.
J
B
B
Now
we
will
go
to
a
regular
agenda
and
we
will
take
citizen
comments
on
write,
regular
agenda
items
only
so
for
the
budget,
that
is,
property
acquisition
for
a
quarter,
Andhra,
Boca,
Grande
drainage,
improvement
project,
the
long-range
financial
plan,
Madrid
Boulevard
and
us
41
issue,
interstate
75,
signage
for
the
Vietnam
Wall
and
the
military
heritage
museum
and
a
hands-on
Henry
Street
update
anyone
wishing
to
comment
on
any
of
these
items.
Please
come
to
the
podium
and
you
have
three
minutes.
L
L
Traffic
studies
that
were
done
from
the
time
the
shopping
center
was
was
built
and
the
various
issues
we've
had
and
the
changes
made
by
F
dot,
starting
in
2002,
with
a
closing
off
of
Madrid
to
northbound
41
until
today
have
failed
to
address
the
issue
and
only
made
matters
worse.
Despite
repeated
efforts
by
this
City
Council
complaints
by
residents
and
direct
conversations
with
F
dot
at
the
October
2019
us
41
quarter,
Vision
Plan
meeting
by
the
way.
L
At
that
meeting,
there
were
several
members
of
the
bursar
House
Association
Council
that
were
there,
we
spoke
directly
to
F
dot
and
rather
impassioned
terms
marked
up
maps
put
on
stickies
all
about
the
issues
having
to
do
with
us.
41
I
in
turn
had
follow-up
conversations
with
the
individuals
that
were
there
so
was
rather
shocking
to
me,
when
I
saw
that
that
the
F
dot
seemed
to
be
totally
deaf
to
the
problems
that
we
as
residents
burnstow
Isles
face.
L
Referred
to,
we've
turned
Triple
E
into
alternative
41
north
with
traffic
coming
in
and
out
of
there.
There
is
not
a
board
meeting
that
goes
by
at
homeowners,
association,
more
traffic
and
speed
issues
come
up,
the
police
have
been
great,
they
put
radar
traps
out
there,
they
put
trucks
off,
but
they
put
cars
out
there,
and
still
we
have
huge
issues
with
with
traffic
up
and
down
Tripoli.
L
We
put
forward
to
the
city
several
traffic
calming
initiatives
and
we're
in
discussions
with
those
now
today,
so
I
will
merely
say
that
we
urge
you
to
to
maintain
pressure
on
F,
not
to
do
something.
The
band-aids
are
not
enough
and
we're
just
remain
steadfast
and
demand
action
from
F
dot,
because
having
one
northbound
access
for
a
community
of
the
size
of
burn
store,
aisles
is
just
untenable
and
unsafe.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
AE
Cj
Metcalf
burnt
star
aisles
board
of
directors
when
we
approached
F
dot
on
this
intersection.
It
is
a
concern.
It's
a
safety
concern
from
my
aspect
as
security
director
as
it
is
in
the
case
of
an
emergency
and
where
we
live,
we
can
call
it
a
hurricane.
There
are
1200
plus
homes
how
many
cars
do
they
have
I,
don't
know
that
there's
one
way
out
of
there
and
that
is
on
Monaco
going
north.
If
we
had
to
evacuate
to
the
north
at
1:00
and
someone
said
well,
Punta
Gorda
house
has
the
same
problem.
AE
They're
out
of
Punta
Gorda
Isles
I
mean
you
can
snake
through,
and
you
know
the
the
traffic
can
be
dispersed,
but
ever
since
kite
development
and
expanded
that
shopping
center,
it's
it
is
an
issue,
and
those
of
us
that
live
in
be
us,
I,
know
and
I
feel
for
Tripoli
I
submit
some
options
to
FDOT
and
when
they
came
with
their
final
plans,
they
hit
burnt,
store,
Meadows
jumped
over
Punta
Gorda
and
went
on
up
and
I'm
like.
This
is
an
issue
they're
big
concerned
about
not
putting
a
stop
light
in.
AE
There
is
the
the
close
proximity
to
burnt
store
Road
in
relation
to
the
speed.
You
know
coming
fifty
miles
an
hour
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
happened
do
stop
lights
right
there.
Well,
my
suggestion
is
that
they
lower
the
speed
that
that
that
section
becomes
a
racetrack
anyway
from
aqui
esta
down
to
burnstow
Road.
So
if
they
were
to
lower
the
speed,
then
they
would
they
could
put
in
would
have
the
option
of
putting
in
more
traffic
control.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
S
AG
AG
AG
T
AG
But
I
know
you're
trying
another
big
problem
is
I,
go
into
Publix
and
talk
to
the
store
manager.
Quite
a
bit:
there's
semi
trucks,
driving
down
Tripoli,
there's
big
box
trucks.
There's
no
reason
to
have
those
come
down
our
street
years
ago,
when
I
really
got
involved
in
this
I
I'd
call
Brinks
truck.
AG
No
problem,
too,
is
part
of
Madrid
there's
a
behind
Publix
they're,
using
that
it's
really
what
I
call
an
alley
behind
Publix,
but
cars
cut
through
there
all
the
time
and
it's
not
an
actual
4-way
stop
it's
like
a
three
and
a
half
motor
stop
because
people
turn
and
then
go
on
Tripoli
from
there
on
an
angle,
but
I'd
appreciate
anything.
You
can
do
to
get
this
job
done.
AG
O
Edwin
Starr
Meadows
I
have
two
items
for
your
consideration.
One
is
the
current
topic:
Madrid
Boulevard
new
at
41,
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
the
d-o-t.
The
watchword
of
that
organization
is
no
and
no
matter
how
you
put
it
to
them.
You
always
get
the
same
answer.
Do
T
regulations
require
that
minimum
distance
of
stop
between
stoplights
is
500
feet.
There
are
600
plus
feet
between
Madrid
and
burnstow
meadows
and
a
simple
drop
in
speed
from
50
to
45.
O
If
you
drive
north
over
the
bridge
on
41
and
get
past
Gardiner,
you
have
two
streets
which
are
almost
500
feet.
Apart
Conway
in
Easy
Street,
they
both
have
traffic
lights,
one
has
a
mast
arm
and
the
other
has
wires
and
both
streets
have
parallel
roadways
on
either
side
of
41.
So
somehow
the
Quixote
is
determined.
There's
enough
traffic
on
Conway
and
easy
to.
O
Warrant
a
traffic
light,
the
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
real
quickly
as
the
signs
on
Vietnam
on
75
I,
measured
the
signs
Brown
sign,
that
is
on
the
southbound
side
of
75
and
kind
of
difficult
with
traffic
racing
by,
but
it's
approximately
3
by
10,
which
means
that
the
d-o-t
generic
sign
is
four
foot
high.
You
certainly
could
add
Vietnam
Memorial
and
military
heritage
above
those
signs,
above
those
the
words
that
say,
Punta
Gorda
in
Arcadia.
B
Y
I
also
live
in
BSI,
a
on
Tripoli
between
Madrid
and
Monaco.
We're
calling
that
Tripoli
Speedway
right
now.
Sorry
about
that
I
agree
with
my
neighbors.
The
concerns
have
gone
from
not
a
nuisance
anymore,
to
a
safety
issue.
It's
really
we've
called
the
police
numerous
times
and
I,
don't
see
them
ticketing.
I
do
see
their
presence
once
in
a
while,
once
we've
called
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is:
either
sign
it
lower
the
speed
limit.
Y
AH
Every
stever's,
Tripoli
or
Tripoli
Speedway,
most
recently
February
13th
I,
pulled
out
of
my
driveway
going
to
Monaco.
It
was
passed
by
a
pickup
truck
doing
45
miles
an
hour.
I
have
called
the
chief
I,
can't
even
tell
you
how
many
times
I
have
appreciative
of
City
Council
hearing
this
today
but
where's,
the
chief.
AI
AH
B
S
AA
Good
morning
for
the
record,
Mikkel,
thinkö,
paralegal
and
assistant
to
the
city
manager,
so
the
court
of
Andhra
Project
drainage
improvement
project
is
a
project
being
undertaken
to
obviously
help
flooding
in
an
area
of
need,
as
part
of
the
project
city
council
already
approved
design,
which
was
funded
by
local
option
sales
tax.
That
design
is
approximately
90
percent.
Complete
the
design
calls
for
storm
water
retention
ponds,
and
at
this
point
we
are
trying
to
identify
areas
to
put
those
ponds
so
on
them.
AA
On
the
map
here,
you'll
see
some
properties
that
the
city
has
staff
has
gone
out.
We've
talked
to
the
property
owners.
We
told
them
that
the
city
would
undertake
appraisals
of
their
property.
You
know
for
the
appraised
value.
We
would
pay
all
costs
of
the
transaction
with
the
exception
of
prorated
real
estate
taxes,
because
once
they
become
publicly
won,
there
wouldn't
be
taxes,
so
we
came
up
with
four
property
owners
that
are
a
possibility
you
can
see
so
the
city
already
owns
property
here.
S
AA
Lots,
the
back
of
this
block
faces
a
right
away.
That
is
undeveloped.
So,
in
order
to
develop
any
of
those
properties,
the
infrastructure
would
had
to
come
along
with
that.
For
these
property
owners,
the
the
smaller
Lots
down
here
1718
are
owned
by
one
property
owner
19
20
at
the
time
at
at
this
time.
From
what
one
of
the
parcels
the
property
owners
are
deceased,
we
are
dealing
with
the
heirs
and
it
was
recent,
so
we're
still
and
then
the
second
one
has
four
separate
property
owners
again.
AA
I
believe
it
was
heirs,
but
some
of
the
heirs
are
deceased,
so
we
still
are
having
some
to
work
out,
so
we
haven't
got
contracts
back
for
either
of
those
parcels
we're
continuing
to
work.
So
what
we're
here
to
talk
about
today
are
the
two
larger
parcels,
because
unless
we
are
able
to
acquire
these
properties,
we
don't
have
the
property
for
the
storm
waters,
storm
water
retention
pond.
AA
So
here
is
the
four
properties.
Four
Lots
on
the
corner
of
Manzana
and
San
Carlos
we
went
out
for
appraisal
of
the
fair
market.
Value
came
back
at
seventy
thousand.
We
sent
offers
to
the
property
owner
and
they
counted
at
ninety
three
thousand
and
then
the
large
portion
of
the
block,
Manzana
Boca,
Grande,
San
Carlos
again
the
fair
market
appraisal
for
that
came
back
at
190
and
the
counter
was
235
just
a
little
difference
to
point
out
that
the
northern
parcel
is
partial,
commercial
zoned
and
the
southern
parcel
is
zoned
for
residential.
AA
A
AA
A
B
Don't
have
to
fence
off
a
retention
pond
if
they,
if
the
slope
is
4
to
1,
for
example
over
at
Tripoli
I'm,
not
Tripoli
on
Madrid
I,
understand
Madrid
on
Monaco
the
retention
pond,
it's
behind
Walgreens.
Next
to
the
Comfort
storage
that
was
previously
fenced
off,
but
the
slope
is
4
to
1.
They
were
able
to
reduce,
take
away
the
fencing
where
the,
where
the
slope
is
more
severe
than
they
do
have
to
have
fencing
I'm.
T
J
B
AI
AA
B
AA
Was
just
gonna
point
out
when
we
initially
started
this,
the
city
was
looking
to
acquire
both
the
backsides
of
these
Lots,
this
entire
length
along
the
unimproved
right
away.
Unfortunately,
some
of
the
these
Lots
back
here
the
property
owner
to
the
north,
owns
all
four
Lots
or
three
of
the
four
Lots
and
they
were
unwilling
to
sell
it
all.
AA
So
that's
how
we
we
had
to
shift
and
find
where
to
make
up
that
square
footage,
and
that's
the
consultant
confirmed
that
if
we
were
able
to
obtain
the
parcels
here
to
the
west,
that
would
be
sufficient
square
footage.
As
Rick
mentioned
the
parcel
to
the
north.
The
larger
parcel
I
believe
that
one
it
was
on
the
market
before
we
started
looking
at
it.
So
I
want
to
say:
I
saw
199
somewhere,
but
I'm
I'm,
not
I.
Don't
have
the
backup
for
that
and.
AA
B
Hopefully,
it's
not
going
to
be
water
in
there
all
year
long,
and
it's
also
I
think
it's
been
a
while,
since
this
was
discussed,
that's
at
City,
Council,
I
think
before
any
of
I
just
remembered
the
discussion
it
was
quite
some
years
ago
and
when
council
picked,
which
design
we
would
go
for.
This
is
the
more
expensive
one,
but
it's
a
more
thorough
one.
AI
AI
J
S
J
AA
S
A
J
T
B
J
J
J
J
S
J
J
B
A
Well,
the
council
can
do
a
variety
of
options
today
we
can
do
some
traffic
traffic
enhancements
on
our
own,
but
the
recommendation
here
as
well
is
to
send
this
on
to
the
next
mpro
agenda
so
that
the
members
of
our
local
NPO
can
make
the
issue
on
as
well
mm-hmm.
Oh
you're
welcome
just
to
do
that,
or
we
can
also
do
that
in
addition
to
some
other
items
so.
B
He
was
there
at
the
meeting
and
and
then
the
comments
were
we
emphasized
the
fact
that
FDOT,
in
their
mission
statement
state
that
their
priorities
are
quality
of
life
for
the
residents
of
as
well
as
economic
development,
and
we
were
saying
that
this
is
warning
economic
development
and
isn't.
It
is
not
supporting
quality
of
life
and
Billy
had
always
comments
to
us
at
the
time
were
well.
The
shopping
centers
got
potholes
in
the
parking
lot
and
the
shopping
center
itself
isn't
doing
anything
to
help
itself.
B
What
we
didn't
know,
because
after
the
meeting
the
kite
Realty
representative
a
coward
and
I
aside
and
said,
we
are
in
the
midst
of
negotiating
with
Publix,
to
tear
down
that
Publix
and
build
a
new
Publix
and
completely
renovate
the
shopping
center,
including
the
parking
lots.
So
that
has
since
taken
place
and
and
so
the
parking
the
whole
shopping
center
has
been
redone.
B
It
has
been
redeveloped
with
Anytime
Fitness
occupying
a
space
that
was
previously
empty
where
the
bells
outlet
was
and
the
pet
supermarket
is
in
there.
So
the
everything
is
back
and
then
we
followed
through
they
said.
Well,
we
and
we
don't
own
the
shop,
we
don't
own
the
parking
lot
or
so
shouldn't
say
we.
The
proper
shopping
center
owner
does
not
own
the
parking
lot
that
Home
Depot
has.
B
So
we
can't
use
that
parking
lot
to
redesign
flow,
but
FDO
tees
comment
was
well
go
ahead
and
signalize
signalize,
the
the
entrance
from
FDA
from
at
at
Home
Depot
on
to
burn,
store,
Road,
put
a
signal
there,
and
so
we
talked
with
Home
Depot.
There
was
no
interest
in
helping
to
fray
that
that
was
estimated.
It
could
cost
us
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We
said
well
FDOT,
if
you're
not
willing
to
put
it
some
kind
of
a
signal
at
Madrid
and
us
41.
B
Why
are
you
suggesting
that
we
can
put
one
at
Home
Depot,
because
it's
not
a
whole
lot
of
difference
in
the
distance
from
the
intersection?
They
said
because
that's
a
county
road,
it's
a
county
maintained
Road.
It's
not
our
maintained
road,
so
you
can
do
that
and
and
they
were
okay
with
it,
so
I
mean
they
were
recommending
that
we
do
that,
and
so
it
still
doesn't
encourage
it's
not
going
to
encourage
people
going
northbound.
B
We
can't
do
that.
Well,
it
turns
out
they
had
used
a
particular
landscape
architecture,
firm
that
helped
navigate
the
the
waters
of
FDOT
and
the
book,
and
and
because
they
showed
us
the
book
they
would
present.
All
these
pages
and-
and
so
we
ended
up
as
a
landscape
committee,
going
out
to
be
an
actual
II
ended
up
hiring
the
same
firm
who
worked
with
us
to
get
what
we
wanted
and
now
Charlotte
County
is
able
to
do
what
we
needed
to
do.
B
Looking
at
this,
the
situation
is
is
just
continued
to
get
worse.
I
know
that
we
did
all
the
traffic
studies
I
couldn't
find
my
the
file
that
actually
shows
license
plates.
We
had
people
sitting
up
with
a
tight,
Realty,
actually
paid
for
the
traffic
study
and
and
other
people
sitting
in
lawn
chairs
out.
You
know
the
photographing
the
license
plates
and
actually
tracking
were
they
residents
that
lived
in
brinstar
Isles
or
where
they,
you
know
local
traffic
or
not,
and
they
were
saying
well,
it's
it's
not
bad
enough.
B
The
problem
is
not
bad
enough,
and
so
it
all
feels
very
arbitrary
and
and
I
know
that
there's
some
suggestions
of
possibly
doing
some
kind
of
a
one-way
road
that
could
goes
in
a
different
direction,
but
for
the
community
it
just
feels
like
FDOT
is
just
doesn't
care
and
I
was
talking
with
one
of
our
city
engineers,
our
project
managers.
Last
Friday
after
we
had
a
state
of
the
city
presentation
here
in
the
in
this
room,
and
her
comment
was
in
working
on
the
Madrid
sidewalk
project.
B
B
So
it
is.
It
is
perplexing
to
me
that
when
they're
trying
to
FDOT
is
trying
to
do
a
corridor
study
that
they're
just
ignoring
a
problem
that
has
persisted
and
continued
to
get
worse,
I
realize
that
when
Madrid
had
been
open
to
northbound
there
was
no.
There
was
no
signal
there
and
that
was
in
early
2000.
B
Anyway,
I
do
appreciate
the
comments.
I
know
we
also
suggested
lowering
the
speeds,
and
they
said
no.
This
is
a
50
mile,
an
hour
speed
limit
area.
So
you
can't
there's
certain
things
you
can
only
do
based
on
the
speed
that
is
in
that
that
area
and
their
book
dictates.
All
of
these
things
and
I
think
the
point
that
was
made
between
Easy
Street
and
Conway.
J
B
R
K
R
B
That
might
be
something
that
would
be
something
I
think
we
would
need
to
discuss.
I
do
have
some
thoughts
about
Triple,
E
and
signage,
on
Triple,
E
and
and
perhaps
suggesting
we
consider
a
science,
no
commercial
traffic
on
Tripoli
and
even
though
somebody
might
do
it,
but
putting
a
sign
that
says
no
commercial
traffic
and
making
it
an
ordinance
so
that
the
only
traffic
that
commercial
traffic
that's
acceptable
is
local
deliveries
and
because
I
I
know
psia
has
regularly
gone
to
the
to
the
shopping
center
and
talked
to
the
to
the
proprietors
and
asked
them.
B
Please
tell
your
delivery
trucks
not
to
come
down
Tripoli
and
when
I
talked
to
mr.
Majin
I
think
was
a
week
or
so
ago.
He
said
that
day.
He
in
the
morning
he
saw
three
semis
come
down,
Tripoli,
so
no
matter
what
we
tried
to
do,
we
just
can't
stop
it
the
other,
and
we
could
put
a
sign
up
that
says
local
traffic.
Only
it's
just
no
way
you
can
stop
it.
I.
J
S
J
J
If
you
force
people
to
go
out
all
delivery
trucks
in
the
shopping
center
are
forced
to
go
out
that
exit
and
go
to
a
traffic
light
on
burnt
store,
Road
that
might
help
eliminate
all
the
truck
traffic,
but
I
think
we
should
also
put
the
signage
up
that
you're
suggesting
and
make
it
an
ordinance
that's
enforceable
by
the
police
department.
That's
the
only
way
we
can
enforce
unless
they're
speeding.
If
we
don't
want
those
that
traffic
on
Tripoli
at
all,
then
we
have
to
do
something
to
put
it
officially
into
an
ordinance.
B
B
His
comment
was
and
I
told
him
all
about
the
history
and
that
they're
not
willing
to
do
anything
and-
and
he
said
well,
do
you
remember
Kings
Highway
when
you
are
on
the
MPO
board
and-
and
we
said
when
you're
headed
south
on
75
and
you're
getting
off
on
so,
if
I've
on
two
Kings
Highway.
If
you
want
to
go
to
veterans,
you
have
to
merge
onto
Kings
Highway,
and
then
you
have
to
merge
back
into
the
turn
lane
to
go
right
onto
veterans
when
we
suggested
well.
B
Why
don't
you
just
continue
and
you
just
have
a
continuous
turn
so
that
you
know
people
don't
have
to
merge
onto
Kings
Highway.
They
can
just
stay
in
that
Lane
and
and
that
the
FDOT
said
no.
We
can't
do
that,
not
in
the
book
and
and
the
MPO
board
kept
saying
we
need
this.
We
need
this,
we
need
this
and
finally,
FDOT
magically.
One
of
the
meetings
came
in
and
said
well.
B
I'll
just
say:
I
told
you
about
the
conversation.
That's
it
I
can't
tell
you
anything
more,
but
I
I
think
that
well,
I
would
certainly
entertain
if
you
want
to
make
a
motion
that
we
put
a
sign.
That
said
no
commercial
traffic
or
something
that
would
be
the
proper
signage
I,
don't
know
what
that
would.
B
F
Correct
this
chief
pan
Davis
one
of
our
place
part,
so
the
ordinance
you
do
have
the
ordinance
that
says
through
truck
traffic
is
prohibited
there
and
it
kinda
talks
about
triple
e
between
Monaco
I.
Personally,
like
the
idea
of
just
not
letting
any
traffic
any
of
that
commercial
vehicle
traffic
come
out
of
the
shopping
center.
Well
right
now,
we're
we're
I
know
we're
being
blamed
for
not
doing
enough
enforcement.
F
Well,
we
are
out
there
all
the
time,
I've
gone
through
the
board
meetings
every
month
and
and
and
I
personally
gone
out
there
and
tried
to
monitor
the
traffic.
So
as
far
as
language,
we
need
something
that's
easy
to
enforce.
Maybe
no
commercial
vehicles
I
mean
if
you
start
right
and
accept
local
deliveries
and
all
it's
kinda.
You
know
it's
right.
We.
F
B
Think
that
what
we're
really
trying
to
discourage
is
the
delivery
traffic
at
the
shopping
center
and
I've
noticed
that,
when,
with
the
Madrid
sidewalk
project
under
under
construction
they've
had
the
the
driveway
closed
in
the
back
and
Publix
delivery.
Trucks
have
turned
in
Madrid,
I
think,
probably
looking
that
they
were
going
to
turn
in
their
to
go
back
to
the
back
of
Publix
and
they
had
to
turn
around
somehow.
S
F
I've
noticed
and
we've
done,
I've
actually
asked
the
officers
to
go
out
there,
I've
paid
overtime,
comp
time
everything
to
study
what's
going
on
out
there
and
the
average
speeds
are
in
the
high
30s
the
average.
Now
there
are
those
ones
that
will
go
up
higher
than
that
I
think
and
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
from
a
residence
is
even
that's,
not
really
kind
of
an
acceptable
speed.
F
F
Also,
another
thing
is,
and
we
did
this
with
PGI
when
I
first
got
here
is
we
ended
up
asking
for
speed
limit
signs
because
we
were
getting
so
many
complaints
and
the
complaints
have
gone
down
in
PGI
and
I
know,
there's
still
certain
areas,
so
we
know
where
they
are,
but
there's
not
I
personally,
don't
feel
like
there's
enough
signs
in
in
burned,
store
aisles.
In
fact,
a
resident
today
thought
that
the
speed
limit
was
35
and
it's
not.
S
F
Even
the
residents
aren't
quite
sure,
sometimes
that
the
speeds
only
30,
so
just
a
consideration
that
it
in
another
thing
that
that
has
happened
is
the.
Last
week
we
have
our
that
radar,
trailer
I've
been
talking
about
where
we're
gonna
be
able
to
monitor
the
speeds.
To
tell
you
exactly
what
time,
how
many
are
coming
through
and
what
speeds
they're
going
at
trailer
has
been
delivered.
F
F
Think
that's
a
consideration
that,
like
I,
said
I,
think
I,
don't
know
that
it's
a
huge
you're
having
these
big
volume
of
speed.
But
the
fact
that
it's
in
the
high
30s
is
feels
unsafe
and
and
mr.
Seavers
talked
about
backing
out
of
the
driveway
Zonda
Tripoli.
That's
true.
You're
backing
out
and
cars
are
going
30
to
40
miles
an
hour
on
that
road
and
and
you're
trying
to
hurry
up
and
get
out
before
a
car
comes
around
the
corner.
So
what
kind.
F
F
B
Said
we
are
looking
at
what
kind
of
signage
we
can
put
out
there
that
we
are
I,
think
that
would
at
least
would
give
when
information
to
be
able
to
say.
Yes,
we
are
going
to
be
putting
some
signage
out
there,
specific
to
discouraging
any
kind
of
truck
traffic
or
something
through
there.
Yeah
I
mean
it's
the
big
trucks
coming
through
there.
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
that's
easier
to
distinguish
than
it
is
vehicles,
or
you
know,
pickup
trucks,
and
things
like
that.
So.
F
A
B
J
F
J
J
They
might,
they
might
work
with
us
on
a
site
on
a
traffic
light
there
and
I
think
if
we
could
route
all
the
commercial
traffic
there
it
would,
it
would
really
significantly
help
getting
traffic
out
of
the
shopping
center
direction.
Right
now
that
Tower
sign
that
they
put
there
for
Home
Depot
is
very
close
to
the
road,
and
you
have
to
pull
almost
into
the
street
to
get
it
to
look
around
it
and
I
think
that's
very
dangerous.
It.
B
Used
yeah
it.
It's
also
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
that
coming
over
the
bridge
that
intersection
right.
There
is
problematic
because
they
forced
traffic
it
used
to
be.
You
could
come
out
onto
Brent,
store
Road
and
go
left
at
the
first
entrance,
but
with
the
redesign
of
brinstar
Road
they
closed
that
off.
So
now
the
only
one
is
at
where
the
that
Tower
sign
is
for.
J
B
AJ
For
the
record,
Gary
Harrell
Charlotte
County
want
to
go
to
NPO
empty
owes
a
lot
of
that
process.
A
a
couple
of
things
you
know
last
time
the
dota
us
41
visioning
program
came
out.
That's
a
that's
a
paradigm
change,
there's
usually
what
it
is
and
what
we've
heard
in
2015
is.
These
are
the
rules.
You
got
a
fog
low
ash,
though
this
is
the
book
and
so
on.
So
that
there's
been
some
there's
been
so
much
pushback
part
of
the
reason
they
did.
AJ
L
AJ
Tea
facility
should
be
as
they
go
through
through
places,
so
so
there's
an
opportunity
as
far
as
bringing
it
to
the
next
see
appeal
board.
Meeting
we're
going
to
have
the
you
know:
visioning
program
do
teaser,
visioning
programs
can
be
make
them
making
a
presentation.
I
understand
that
they're
do
T
is
looking
at
this
very
seriously
that
you
know
the
push
back
for
this
and
there's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
can
be
done.
AJ
Some
of
them
can't
be
done
because
so
we,
you
know,
be
very
much
against
that
dangerous
by
design
reports
that
have
come
out
in
years
and
so
they're
pretty
hard
on
exactly,
as
the
mayor
had
said,
no
left
turn
on
41
out
of
monoco,
because
that
is
going
back
to
dangerous
by
design
that
that
would
be
a
dangerous
fix
to
it.
So,
but
there
are
other
items
there.
The
visioning
program
looks
at
a
mile
on
either
side
of
the
corridor,
which
would
take
it
into
that.
AJ
Some
of
the
presentations
the
d-o-t
would
come
up
with
would
not
involve
the
OT
funds.
Necessarily
it
might
be
local
funds,
so
it
would
be
there,
but
those
you
know
those
are
discussions
that
we
can
have
between
now.
The
it's
March
23rd
is
the
the
next
meeting
I
believe
it
might
be
helpful
for
FDOT
to
contact
you
either
individually
or
maybe
a
workshop
I.
Don't
know.
AJ
However,
you
might
want
to
do
that
before
that
meeting
and
I,
and
it's
pretty
obvious
to
me
that
that
the
city
is
doing
its
due
diligence
and
looking
at
all
sorts
of
different
ways
to
do
that
and
the
process
could
be
or
it
could
be,
it
will
be
there.
They're
gonna
be
coming
to
the
MPO
board
meeting
with
that
vision
for
the
u.s.
41
visioning,
and
this
is
part
of
that.
So
that
would
be
a
discussion
item
already.
B
B
B
J
T
B
K
B
A
B
A
B
One
of
the
questions
that
that's
been
discussed
is:
should
we
have,
is
it
feasible
or
is
it
it
is
feasible?
Is
it
effective
to
paint
the
speed
limit
sign
on
the
street
itself
in
the
lane
of
traffic,
so
I
noticed
in
some
areas
where
I've
seen
19
miles
an
hour
or
whatever
it
is
on
the
street?
So
when
you,
you
know
instead
of
having
a
sign
on
the
side
of
the
street,
but
it's
right
in
front
of
the
driver
as
you're
driving
I,
don't
know
if
that's
it,
if
that's
effective
or
not,
chief
Pam
Davison,.
F
I
honestly
I
can't
answer
that
one
I
would
probably
better
for
like
Marc
carrying
the
traffic
engineer,
but
on
it
it's
got
to
be
an
enforceable
type
thing
as
well.
So
but
it's
enforceable
anyways,
because
the
speed
limits
regardless
are
30
and
they're,
whether
you
have
a
sign
posted
or
not.
So
that's
the
law
but
again
I
go
back
to
what
we
did
in
PGI
and
we
had
and
we
were
strategic
about
it.
We
chose
areas
that
we
thought
thought
needed
it,
the
most
and
and
I'm
not
a
complain
about
the
signs
up
anymore
either.
B
I
know
I
know
that
CJ
has
been
working
on
this
and
working
with
Marc,
Goering
and
so
I
think
you
know
we
do
need
more
signage
and
BSI
as
well.
I
got
and
I
do
I
think
sometimes
it's
it's
been
suggested
it's
deliveries
and
in
people
that
are
working
there
as
opposed
to
residents.
I
have
seen
some
residents
go,
zooming
I,
you
know
I,
it
does.
B
But
I
also
saw
somebody
who
was
a
somebody
from
a
pool
service
go
whizzing
down
the
street.
Well
then,
I
talked
I
actually
called
the
pool
service
and
the
actual
person
called
me
back
and
said:
I
apologize,
I,
realized,
I,
forgot
and
left
the
water
on
at
somebody's
pool
that
I
had
just
serviced
and
I
forgot
to
turn
it
off
and
was
racing
to
get
back
to
turn
the
water
off
and
so
understood.
F
A
Y
R
AE
S
AE
We
made
a
determination
to
paint
the
speed
limit
on
the
side
on
the
street.
That
way
there
wouldn't
be
any
signs
and
chief
Davis
it's
enforceable,
and
then
I
also
have
the
question
of
lowering
the
speed
limit.
If
are
you
talking
about
just
from
Madrid
to
Tripoli
I
mean
to
have
mana
code
to
make
it
25?
You
need
to
clarify
that,
because
Tripoli
goes.
A
AE
B
I
think
that's
good
right
now,
because
yeah,
what
I've
done
when,
when
I've
noticed
when
I'm
riding
my
bicycle
through
there
is
the
traffic
headed
south
to
the
shopping
centre,
is
local
traffic
and
people
are
not
necessarily
speeding.
It's
the
people
that
are
coming
north
from
the
shopping
centre
that
are
trying
to
go,
get
to
Monaco
to
go
up
to
41
that
are
zooming
down
there.
That's
my
perception,
so
I
think
that
one
area
is
enough.
F
F
A
B
A
A
A
A
X
A
Nothing
wrong
with
the
I-75
north,
it's
guy,
75
south
as
it
stands
today.
If
we
do
nothing,
there
will
be
signage,
put
up
by
F
dot
at
the
Harborview
exit
exit,
167
that
will
be
directing
people
to
the
Vietnam
Memorial
Wall
and
the
military
heritage
museum
Harborview
harbor
view
is
going
to
be
under
construction
eventually
by
Charlotte
County
and
F
dot
to
widen
it
part
of
Sunseeker.
So
eventually
we're
going
to
be
directing
folks
to
a
construction
area.
X
AI
A
Just
totally
indirect,
so
God
has
given
us
some
options.
The
worst
thing
in
from
a
recommendation
from
city
staff
is
f.
Dot
is
asking
you
to
pit
and
essentially
to
pit
one
nonprofit
against
another.
Please
don't
do
that.
I
urge
us.
Please
don't
do
that.
You
know
they
said
well.
Why
don't
we
just
take
down
the
name
piece,
River,
Wildlife,
Center
and
substitute
military
heritage.
A
B
A
B
B
B
S
A
Is
an
option
we
get
rid
of
the
this
is
basically
we're
talking
about
the
ramp.
Now
we're
not
talking
about
I-75
right
exit
164,
which
is
the
Punta
Gorda
Arcadia
exit
mm-hmm,
getting
a
sign
on
the
ramp.
If
we
could,
we
could
eliminate
historic
downtown
because
we
already
have
on
there
Punta
Gorda
on
Arcadia
and
Wildlife
Center.
K
I
I,
don't
like
this
whole
idea
at
all,
but
I
did
sort
of
play
with
some
words
and
what
I
was
wondering
is
what,
if
the
historic
district
I
think
we
get
signs
once
they're
in
the
area
that
says
here's
the
historic
district
and
because
it's
not
a
defined
place
where
you
go
knock
on
doors
and
go
in
buildings,
we
can
take
that
off.
I
think,
but
I
would
propose
that
if
there's
no
other
solution,
we
say
military
heritage
attractions.
K
Because
then,
when
the
people
get
off,
there's
a
sign
for
the
wall,
they
would
stop
and
see
there
and
hopefully
we
would
say
military
heritage.
You
know
there
are
brown
signs
directing
people
to
the
military,
Heritage
Museum,
and
if
we
could
somehow
I
mean
you
don't
have
to
use
those
words,
but
I
was
just
trying
to
encompass
some
way.
That
would
tell
people
that
we
have
military
heritage.
Things
in
our
town,
I
was
thinking
of
when
I
go
driving.
K
When
we
take
road
trips
and
we
always
do
blue
highways
and
try
to
find
unique
things,
what
would
make
me
turn
into
Punta
Gorda
and
if
I
was
a
military?
You
know
geek
who
loved
the
museums
and
stuff
military
heritage
attractions
would
get
me
off
the
road
and
into
the
city,
and
then
it
would
be
up
to
the
city
wayfinding
signs
to
direct
people
to
the
various
locations.
That
way
the
wall
would
be
covered,
the
museum
would
be
covered
and
then
peace,
River,
Wildlife
Center,
would
also
help.
J
Couple
of
things,
the
first
problem
is
that
it's
it's
FTO
tees
policy
to
have
not
only
highway
signage,
indicating
that
you
must
get
off
at
the
next
exit
to
go
to
such
and
such
an
attraction
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be.
But
then
they
also
want
an
arrow
sign
at
the
bottom
of
the
ramp.
That
coordinates
with
that
and
that's
where
the
problem
is
because
they
could.
They
could
put
these.
What
we're
talking
about
here.
J
Are
these
big
brown
signs
they're,
not
talking
about
the
signs
you
were
referring
to,
which
are
the
blue
highway
signs
that
have
gas
food
lodging
right,
we're
talking
about
Brown
signage
and
what
they
want
to
do
is
put
that
those
that's
on
north
of
the
Harborview
exit
as
you're
coming
south.
My
suggestion
was:
why
can't
we
put
that
south
of
the
Harborview
exit
before
the
bridge
and
just
say
next
exit.
S
J
They
but
that's
fine.
They
could
do
that.
However,
the
sign
at
the
bottom
of
the
exit
ramp
is
where
we're
holding
that's
where
we
get
to
this
thing,
which
is
on
our
agenda,
there's
no
easy
way
to
solve
it,
and
military
attractions,
unfortunately,
is
not
going
to
solve
the
problem,
because
people
want
to
know
specific
attractions.
J
They're
looking
for
and
I
mean
I
could
easily
selfishly
say
military
heritage,
museum
I'm
on
the
board
of
directors
for
them,
I
don't
get
paid
for
that,
but
but
I
mean
that
would
be
certainly
a
preference
for
me,
but
but
I
guess,
Howard
said
I
I'm,
not
gonna
pick
one
against
the
other
and
I
think
that's.
We
want
to
encourage
people
to
come
to
our
city
for
these
attractions
and
there's
three
fairly
major
attractions
that
we
want
people
to
come
here.
J
I
mean
you
know,
the
problem
is
they've,
ordered
the
all
the
equipment
to
put
these
signs
up
and
they
wanted
to
do
it
in
advance
of
the
March
28th
Vietnam
veterans
event:
yeah,
that's
that's
where
we
grown
into
the
the
northbound
signs
are
not
a
problem.
They've
got
plenty
of
space
on
the
highway
to
put
that
sign
up
and
exit
ramp
signs
coming
northbound.
J
It's
the
southbound
signs
that
we're
having
the
issue
with,
but
they're
all
locked
and
loaded
and
ready
to
put
these
signs
up
before
March
1st
I
have
suggested
to
them
that
we
need
to
have
more
discussions
about
this
so
that
we
can
eventually
maybe
relocate
those
signs
and
yeah.
It
could
be
done,
however,
so
you
know
I
almost
wish.
We
didn't
even
want
to
put
those
signs
up
south
bone
because
there
I
think
people
are
gonna,
be
so
confused.
J
You're
gonna
get
them
off
at
Harborview,
they're,
gonna,
jog
off
of
Harbor
View,
all
the
way
down
Harbor
view
over
the
river.
Through
the
woods
come
over
to
41
south
over
the
bridge,
then
they've
got
to
find
either
the
military
heritage,
museum
or
the
Vietnam
wall
once
they
come
southbound
off
the
bridge,
I
mean
it's
ridiculous.
It's
totally
ridiculous
and
I'm.
Sorry
Mike
grant
is
not
supporting
us
on
this
aye.
That's
really
unfortunate
because
he
is
the
one
that
was
in
the
process
of
trying
to
help
us
with
this.
J
K
If
the
only
way
to
get
them
into
town
is
to
take
them
down,
Harbor
View
I
say
we
leave
completely,
because
if
I'm
a
visitor
to
town
and
I
got
to
go
down,
Harbor
View
and
it's
under
construction
like
it's
gonna,
be
for
the
next.
Goodness
knows
how
long
I'm?
Turning
around
and
getting
back
on
the
interstate
and
saying
you
know,
maybe
some
other
year,
Punta
Gorda.
J
Also
ad
last
night,
I
went
out
to
the
the
Chamber
mixer
and
I'm
only
throwing
this
out
as
food
for
thought.
I
went
to
the
Chamber
mixer
out
at
the
Peace
River
Gardens
and
as
I
was
coming
back
into
town,
I
decided
to
cut
across
Piper
Road
Piper
roads,
not
on
the
GPS
yeah
Piper
Road
does
not
come
out
2:17
on
the
GPS.
There
is
no
road
there,
so
anytime
there's
a
road
change.
J
P
AJ
J
A
AK
But
it
would
reduce
the
larger
dog
part
by
5%
and
during
the
discussion
of
that
agenda,
item
council
members
weighed
in
on
what
they
had
heard
from
their
community
residents
about
regarding
drainage,
shade,
ants,
mulching
and
alternative
grasses,
and
things
of
that
nature.
So,
council
directed
staff
to
move
forward
and
obtain
a
public
some
more
public
input
on
what
the
needs
of
that
park
would
be.
AK
So
the
meeting
was
scheduled
in
January,
and
that
was
to
assure
that
we
had
people
coming.
You
know
we
didn't
want
to
use
the
summer
months
to
have
the
workshop.
The
input
would
be
less
than
what
we
needed
it
to
be,
so
we
had
it
scheduled
for
the
17th.
We
provided
two
sessions
for
people
to
join
us
one
in
the
morning
one
in
the
afternoon,
and
it
was
very
well
attended.
Some
of
you
attended
as
well,
and
you
saw
the
input
from
the
residents.
AK
There
seems
to
be
a
pile
up
at
the
gates
when
people
are
coming
in,
so
the
dogs
are
kind
of
fussing
with
one
another
people
suggested,
maybe
simply
moving
the
entrances
and
separating
them,
and
that
would
help,
and
then
the
area
inside
the
gate
had
a
better
secure
gate
as
well
as
latches.
So
there
were
a
couple
little
things
that
might
be
able
to
be
looked
at
in
a
short
term,
better
surfaces
mulch
more
frequently.
There
is
a
problem
with
the
grasses,
so
they
suggested
maybe
looking
at
alternative
grasses
or
alternative
ground
cover
maintenance.
AK
If
we
could
spray,
maybe
for
insects
and
trimming
of
trees,
they
suggested
some
water
features
more
site
furnishings.
All
of
these
would
improve
the
experience
at
the
dog
park
and
then
a
lot
of
people
mentioned
that
the
parking
was
not
accessible
for
some
people
who
had
trouble
walking
and
getting
into
the
area,
so
they
suggested.
AK
You
know
they'd
like
to
see
some
of
the
accessible
parking
moved
to
a
central
location
that
would
give
that
the
owner
easier
access
to
the
to
the
park
entrance,
and
then
there
was
a
lot
of
people
who
said
just
use
best
practices
go
on
the
internet,
review
it
and
deal
with
the
suggestions
that
are
there.
So,
as
we
were
putting
this
together,
the
other
night,
your
package
only
has
these
two
slides
in
it.
But
I
did
add
the
right.
AK
The
remainder
of
the
workshop
notes,
because
I
felt
everybody
really
participated
and
they
needed
to
see
that
their
ideas
were
well
received,
even
though
it
is
included
in
your
packet.
It
was
not
included
in
the
slideshow,
so
I
added
those.
So
we
started
out
with
likes
and
dislikes
of
the
park
plenty
of
chairs.
You
know
people
like
that,
although
we
did
have
people
complain
that
some
of
the
chairs,
if
they
don't
match
they
get
taken
away.
AK
So
they
they
said
it's
okay,
if
they're
mismatched
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
happens
to
them,
but
they
like
they
like
the
idea
of
adding
fountains
and
wash
spots.
Mulching
again
came
up.
There
were
people
who,
like
the
idea
that
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center,
was
coming,
but
then
there
were
people
who
did
not
like
it.
They
were
afraid
that
the
dogs
might
impact
the
animals
by
their
barking,
and
then
people
said
well.
My
dogs
very
hyper
sensitive.
They
may
not
like
the
squawking
of
the
birds,
so
we
had
it
both
ways.
AK
We
had
people
request
smoking
areas,
we
had
people
request,
definitely
non-smoking
area.
So
sometimes
we
had
the
50-50
there.
The
dislikes
emphasize
on
picking
up
after
the
dogs,
they
would
appreciate
signs
outside
of
the
fence
area.
Apparently
people
just
bring
their
dogs
and
let
them
roam
and
let
them
go,
and
then
they
call
the
dog
back
and
leave.
So
they
wanted
to
see
signs
out
there.
That
says
your
dog,
your
duty
pickup.
So
they
were
very
concerned
about
that.
AK
You
know
again
the
latches
jam
on
the
gates.
So
then
we
went
into
the
area
expansions
and
looked
at
the
small
and
dog
areas
both
need
to
be
expanded,
especially
the
dog
area.
Again
it
is
inadequate
during
the
season
in
the
height
of
the
day
I
drove
by
in
an
afternoon
and
that
small
dog
area
is
packed.
Actually
both
areas
are
packed.
So
in
the
afternoon
hours
there
seemed
to
be
a
heavier
use,
but
the
morning
hours
infrastructure
issues
there
seems
to
be
an
issue
with
the
drainage
and
everybody
did
ask
about
that.
AK
Could
something
be
done
to
improve
that
handy,
the
accessible
parking
closer
to
the
gates
and
again
separating
the
large
and
small
dog
entrances?
As
far
as
restrooms
were
concerned,
people
asked
for
them,
but
they're
not
so
sure
that
they
wanted
restrooms.
They
thought
porta-johns
could
be
used
if
we
had
one
like
that
Gilcrest
park.
So
again,
those
were
just
ideas
being
thrown
out
and
if
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
does
go
in,
could
they
do
the
joint
restaurant
facility
that
would
serve
both
facilities?
AK
Landscaping
issues
included,
lack
of
grass
as
an
issue,
the
lawn
improvements
and
then
reviewing
the
ground
cover
options
and
then
adding
more
trees
and
shrubs
some
add-ons
that
they
felt
necessary.
It
would
be
great
if
we
had
a
fan
for
them
all
to
enjoy.
It
gets
too
hot
there,
a
larger
or
more
pools
with
various
items
they
wanted
pavers
around
them.
AK
They
recommended
we
line
the
dog
park,
the
ponds
we
aerate
four
to
five
feet
down
for
a
deep
swimming
area
for
the
older
dogs,
who
may
need
some
sort
of
a
softer
exercise,
routine,
a
ramp
with
a
tub
so
that
their
dogs
could
enter
easily
cement
with
filtering
and
washing
system
attached
again
the
bathing
facilities
on
the
way
out
with
spray
nozzles.
They
gave
ideas
on
where
we
could
go
to
find
examples
of
their
suggestions,
so
we
can
look
at
those
they
requested.
AK
Materials
such
as
dole,
climbing
toys,
more
benches
for
seating,
larger
shelters
for
the
people
to
congregate
under
again.
Part
of
that
is
she
related
the
hydration
stations
for
both
the
dogs
and
the
humans,
perhaps
putting
in
a
path
on
the
outside
of
the
park
and
well
inside
the
park
itself.
But
on
the
outside
of
the
play
area,
additional
pickup
stations,
they
felt
were
definitely
needed,
and
then
one
of
the
suggestions
was
choose
a
more
a
biodegradable
bag
that
the
plastic
bags
were
using.
AK
Adding
them
to
the
landfill
is
not
a
good
idea
and
they
would
like
to
see
us
go
green-screen
the
entrance
at
the
bottom
of
the
gate.
The
current
gate
entrance
where
the
dogs
there
are
some
of
the
small
dogs
are
so
small.
They
get
out
underneath
the
gates.
So
could
we
do
something
to
scream
that
and
then
they
thought
a
shed
that
they
could
put
their
tools
in.
Currently
we
just
hang
them
on
the
fence.
There's
a
broom,
a
shovel
and
a
scooper
there,
and
we
just
hang
them
on
the
fence.
AK
They
thought
it
might
be
nice
to
have
a
some
out-of-the-box
ideas
was
a
tiki
bar
and
little
free
library.
We
have
curved
one
is
currently
going
in
and
Gilchrist
Park
and
they
thought
it
might
be
good
for
people
there
they're
coming
and
go
and
they
might
be
able
to
utilize
that
some
miscellaneous
ideas
of
the
first
aid
kit
for
emergencies-
fundraising
memberships
with
bonuses,
was
suggested.
AK
Using
the
text
identify
that
you're,
a
member
of
the
park
adding
another
facility
in
BSI
or
VSM.
They
really
wanted
one
down.
There.
I
heard
this
a
few
times.
I,
don't
know
how
Melissa,
if
she
heard
that,
but
that
was
a
biggie
again.
The
no
smoking
signs
the
design
itself.
They
gave
us
some
websites
to
check
on
so
we
we
can
do
that
and
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
ideas
there.
AK
AK
The
staff
put
together
some
what
we
thought
might
be
immediate
improvements
that
could
help
address
some
of
the
legitimate
issues
that
were
brought
up
to
us,
so
maintenance
wise.
We
could
you
know
I've
spoken
with
Public
Works
and
if
it
is,
if
they
are
able
to
schedule
it,
they
will
and
if
not,
we
do
have
contractors
on
currently
with
the
cities
that
we
can
utilize
them
to
spray
and
do
trim
in
the
trees.
AK
AK
The
first
option
is
to
simply
expand
the
dot
small
dog
park
area,
as
was
originally
intended.
The
addition
of
approximately
a
70
foot
fence
it's
identified
there
in
red
would
be
a
simple
way
to
expand
the
dog
park.
The
small
dog
area
by
50%
and
this
option
or
opportunity
is
relatively
inexpensive.
It
would
not
trigger
a
DA
improvements
at
this
time,
because
there'd
be
no
impacts
to
the
accessible
routes.
It
would
just
be
is
still
on
the
grass
area
and
it
would
not
impact
any
future
improvements.
AK
So
the
second
one
involves
the
implementation
of
the
ad
a
transition
plan
and
additional
improvements.
The
this
implementation
requires
the
existing
deficiencies
that
are
identified
in
the
plan
to
be
corrected.
So,
for
example,
let's
look
at
the
site
furnishings.
Currently,
there
are
a
total
of
six
picnic
benches
picnic
tables
in
the
park.
Two
of
the
tables
are
considered
accessible
pursuant
to
the
ad
a
rules,
but
they
are
located
in
an
area
without
shade.
AK
So
a
simple
fix
would
be
to
remedy
the
shade
issue,
whether
we
added
some
sort
of
a
structure
above
it
or
replaced
it,
but
we
would
need
to
add
a
small
shade
structure
to
that.
Then
this
looking
at
the
drinking
fountains
while
they
are
located
on
site,
they
are
rusted
and
do
not
meet
the
appropriate
36
inch
and
38
inch
height
requirements.
AK
So
then
we
have
similar
in
correcting
those
the
identified
deficiencies
in
the
plan
and
depending
on
the
available
funding,
there
is
an
opportunity
to
replace
additional
furnishings,
which
would
include
benches
picnic
tables
pavilions
and
water
fountains.
So
we
can
just
do
the
Part
A
with
just
the
existing
deficiencies,
and
that
really
is
very
limited,
but
it
does
bring
us
up
to
our
ad
a
requirements
and
if
we
choose
to
expand
on
that
and
replace
those
furnishings
that
part
do
not
meet
the
ad
a
requirements
that
we
could
also
add
additional
site
furnishings
to
that
option.
AK
So
in
looking
at
the
design
and
construction
for
those
additional
improvements,
if
you
only
look
at
the
ad
a
improvements,
only
the
design
and
construction
and
contingency
fund
set
aside,
that
option
is
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
again
that
only
addresses
those
immediate
deficiency
for
an
additional
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We
could
add
all
new
site
furnishings
for
the
replacement
of
everything
that
is
currently
on
the
inside
the
parks
and
we
could
add
two
pavilions
with
a
DA,
accessible
routes.
AK
And
the
final
option
or
opportunity
involves
a
total
redesign
of
the
park.
This
could
be
done
as
capital
improvements
project
recognizing
the
potential
development
of
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center,
which
is
currently
potential
sales
tax
project,
and
this
would
ensure
that
as
we're
developing
the
park,
we
can
make
the
connections
with
that
that
development
it
would
include
the
expansion
of
both
the
small
and
the
large
dog
park,
the
addition
of
a
restroom
facility
connections
to
the
existing
trail
systems
that
we
spoke
about
previously
and
expanded
the
the
parking
area
joint
parking
lot
for
both
facilities.
AK
AK
So
there
are
funding
options
available
in
the
following
accounts:
we
have
general
refund
reserves
of
up
to
500,000,
a
da
transition
plan
sales
tax
up
to
50,000,
and
then
the
park
impact
fees
up
to
80,000.
Just
keep
in
mind
that
those
park
impact
fees
can
only
be
used
for
the
growth
and
increase
of
service
at
the
park.
So
it
would
only
be
a
percentage
of
that
and
I
will
take
any
questions.
I.
K
My
husband's
a
veterinarian,
but
I
just
think
to
spend
money
on
this
when
there's
a
possibility
that
we're
going
to
completely
redesign
put
in
trails
and
all
sorts
of
other
wonderful
things
if
this,
if
it
gets,
if
it
makes
it
you
know,
if
we
put
this
off
maybe
two
months,
then
we
could
come
back
and
say
yes
or
no
to
the
sales
tax.
Then
we'd
know
what
we're
talking
about
and
I
would
feel
much
better
at
that
time.
K
Saying:
okay,
let's
start
small,
you
know,
let's
fix
the
things
that
won't
be
impacted
by
that
to
make
it
better.
I
really
don't
want
I,
really
don't
even
want
to
have
the
discussion
right
now,
because
you
know
I've
seen
the
plan
that
team
and
staff
worked
on
and
I
think
if
we
get
that
through
it
answers
a
lot
of
these
questions.
K
J
J
At
this
point
there
are
some
things
that,
after
having
spent
a
few
hours
over
there
that
morning,
I
mean
there's
some
things
that
have
to
happen
now,
because
it's
a
mess,
it's
an
absolute
mess,
but
to
start
even
moving
fences
and
relocating
things
right
now,
I,
just
don't
I,
don't
want
to
do
that.
Let's
do
it
all
at
one
time
and
get
it
over
with
when
the
time
comes.
When
it's
right,
you
know
put
to
stick
librarian
that
I
sent
you
the
picture.
I
mean.
AD
J
Be
fun
things
that
are
that
are
in
the
cost,
virtually
nothing
you
guys
didn't
see
that
I
don't
think.
But
anyway,
you
know
this
is
this
is
premature.
There's
a
lot
of
nice
ideas,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
one
1/2
not
have
to
have,
and
we've
got
to
be
realistic
too.
We're
certainly
not
going
to
be
putting
a
tiki
bar
in
all
respect
to
the
dog
owners
by
a
foghorn
for
dogs
that
are
that
are
getting
in
each
other's
space.
There's
one
dog
that
never
stopped
barking.
B
I
see
this
request
today
a
little
differently
much
the
same,
but
a
little
differently.
I
see
this
as
staff
is
coming
to
us
and
saying:
do
you
want
us
to
do
something
now
or
do
you
want
to
wait?
Do
you
know
there
is
a
project
that's
being
considered,
and
do
you
want
to
wait
on
that
and
what's
your,
what
is
your
priority?
B
Okay
and
so
I
totally
agree
with
you
with
residents
that
I've
spoken
with,
say
you
know
they
want
to
see
the
whole
a
holistic
approach
to
this
whole
solution
that
involves
the
the
pathways
they
love
the
idea
of
the
pathways
and
the
whole
thing
coming
together
and
I
see
it
as
a
way
to
to
gain
support
for
the
local
option
sales
tax,
because
if
residents
this
is
a
priority
for
the
residents,
then
they
will
support
the
project
and
so
that
that
was
the
feedback.
I
got
also.
AA
K
B
R
R
J
AB
Manager,
just
overall
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
how
much
community
engagement
we
had
on
this.
As
Joan
said
over
100
people
came
out,
people
came
that
didn't
even
have
their
dogs
with
that
date
just
to
weigh
in
and
we
probed
them
as
to
you
know
pie-in-the-sky.
What
would
you
really
like
to
see
so
overwhelmingly?
What
we
heard
is
we
love
our
dog
park.
This
is
great.
This
is
fabulous
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
you're
doing
a
great
job,
but
if
you're
asking
us
what
could
be
better
here,
we're
gonna
tell
yes.
AB
B
AK
S
B
AK
K
AE
AK
K
B
M
So
good
afternoon,
Kristen
Simeone
finance
director
and,
as
you
know,
our
kickoff
of
our
long-range
financial
plan
is
kind
of
like
our
kickoff
to
starting
to
create
our
next
year's
just
go.
Your
budget
budgeting
is
an
all
year
process,
so
it's
not
like
we
haven't
been
doing
work
all
this
time,
but
as
for
our
divisions,
it
kind
of
gives
them
guidance
where
we're
gonna
go.
M
So
the
first
thing
we
kind
of
go
over
is
our
fiscal
forecast,
and
a
lot
of
these
will
be
familiar
to
you
as
they
were,
based
on
our
decisions
made
during
our
fiscal
year.
2020
budget
development-
and
we
always
project
those
extra
years.
So
just
as
a
recap
of
some
of
our
assumptions
for
the
general
fund
on
the
ad
valorem,
we're
not
suggesting
any
change
to
the
military
at
this
time
or
like
in
this
forecast.
M
It's
three
point:
four
337,
with
a
six
percent
increase
overall
of
property
tax
revenue,
other
revenues
are
estimated
two
to
three
percent
estimated
increases.
We
do
show
the
use
of
reserves
of
three
hundred
eighty
seven
thousand
three
hundred
in
fiscal
year,
2021
just
based
on
that
current
last
year's
decisions.
M
M
On
the
expenditures
I
do
want
to
mention
a
lot
of
these
are
citywide,
so
we
go
over
some
of
the
other
funds.
We'll
only
go
over
things
that
are
different
from
what
you
see
here
as
far
as
personnel
or
operating
so
for
personnel.
We
estimated
four
percent
merit
increases
pensions,
five
percent
overall
health
insurance,
six
percent
increases
workers
compensation.
M
Ten
percent
operating
for
citywide
again
is
everything
is
pretty
much
three
percent
general
liability
is
five
percent
and
then,
specifically
in
the
general
thawne
election
expenses
are
just
35,000
per
year,
so
you
don't
have
that
and
then
we
do
put
comprehensive
plan
studies
per
schedule.
There
weren't
any
in
fiscal
year,
2021.
M
For
capital
outlay,
we
do
continue
for
all
those
out
years,
the
740,000
annual
funding
per
five
year
capital
outlay
plan.
The
drainage
program
was
reduced
to
three
hundred
thousand
per
year.
Paving
program
remains
at
4:59
per
year.
Capital
projects
per
our
five-year
CIP
is
two
hundred
eighty
thousand
per
year,
and
the
CRA
tax
incremental
financing
revenue
is
estimated
at
a
four
percent
increase
per
year
and
again
this
is
just
the
pro
forma
showing
all
that
and
you
all
may
be
familiar
with
that
from
when
we
went
over
the
budget.
M
B
A
question
that
was
asked
of
you
know:
why
would
we
plan
do
a
plan
like
this
to
show
these
expenditures
in
the
out-years
on
in
excess
of
revenue
and
I
said
this
is
just
a
beginning
planning
pro
forma?
This
is
not
our
budget,
so
this
is
just
to
begin
the
discussion,
so
we
know
where
do
we
need
to
go
then
trying.
M
M
We've
always
tried
to
show
this
graphically
also,
so
you
see
the
use
of
reserves
in
20
and
21,
and
then
you
see
the
shortfalls
in
22
through
24
and
again
they're
very
slight.
If
any
of
you
were
here,
you
know
years
years
ago,
when
we
first
had
the
economic
downturn,
we
were
had
a
lot
a
lot
different
picture
then
so
we
do
have
our
minimum
reserved
analysis.
M
So,
at
the
end
of
fiscal
year,
2024
eight
and
a
half
percent
minimum
reserve
per
our
current
policy
was
two
million
eighty
nine
four
sixty
and
the
use
of
reserves
to
increase
the
minimum
for
fiscal
year.
Twenty
to
twenty
one
to
a
nine
percent
minimum
ending
Reserve
would
be
an
additional
one
hundred
eighty
three
thousand
five
forty,
the
graph
just
shows
that
the
the
yellowish
line
there
we're
getting
closer
to
it.
So
that's
the
standard.
The
purple
is
our
set
minimum.
M
M
M
So
for
fiscal
year
nineteen
our
revenues
came
in
over
our
projections
by
almost
half
a
million
there
and
our
operating
expenditures
came
in
under
budget
and
that's
excluding
the
carry
overs
that
we
already
took
into
effect
that
we
are
bringing
forward
to
the
new
year
of
about
half
a
million
there.
So
your
current
reserves
available
for
allocation
over
your
minimum
is
two
million
dollars
a
little
over
two
million
dollars
on
the
capital
outlay
reserve.
M
M
Any
questions
on
the
general
fund
on
the
CRA
forecast
assumptions.
Again
the
tax
incremental
revenues.
We
do
a
two
to
three
percent
increase
over
all
except
the
for
the
city
side.
We
do
four
percent
based
on
like
what
we
had
in
the
general
fund.
Herald
port
Center
lease
revenue
assumes
one
vacancy
again.
We
just
never
know
that
leases
come
up
at
different
times.
There's
a
vacancy.
You
might
have
to
have
some
time
to
get
someone
else
in
there.
Other
leases
and
loan
repayments
are
per
their
contracts
expenditures.
M
The
debt
service
is
has
been
updated
to
our
current
loan
schedule.
So
that's
following
the
loan
schedule:
Herald
courts,
Center
facilities,
maintenance.
We
do
budget
forty,
five
thousand
annually,
Lashley
Park
amenities,
100,000
annually,
and
we
kind
of
just
discussed
that
at
the
last
meeting
about
how
we
carry
those
funds
over
if
they're
not
used
for
any
big
projects
that
might
come
up
in
those
areas
and
again
here's
the
five-year
forecast
for
on
the
CRA.
M
For
the
utilities
funds
again,
the
current
pro
forma
has
no
rate
increased
is
in
there.
It
estimates
approximately
1/2
percent
growth
per
year.
Water
impacts
do
cover
partial
debt
service
on
the
RO,
based
on
what
was
provided
by
our
rate,
consultants
of
the
amount
we
could
use
towards
that
wastewater
impacts
are
currently
reimbursing
for
Jones
loop,
the
Jones
loop
project
on
the
expenses,
the
there
is
some
additional
operating
cost
for
the
RO
that
were
provided
from
the
project
engineer
the
capital
outlay
plan
they
project
approximately
700,000
per
year.
M
The
transfers
for
the
RNR
and
projects
are
identified
in
the
five-year
plan.
The
debt
service
is
the
pur
schedule
on
the
existing
srf
loan.
The
new
loan
we
estimate
amounts.
We
won't
have
a
final
schedule
till
we
actually
complete
the
project
and
move
from
the
draw
phase
to
the
final
phase.
We
are
required
to
have
a
1
year
payment
reserve,
which
we
have
been
building
up
so
based
on
what
we've
been
drawing.
M
M
M
M
For
the
Punta
Gorda
isles
canal,
maintenance
fund,
currently
the
the
performer
that
you
see
here,
the
projection
was
the
$650
assessment
that
was
through
fiscal
year
2022
and
it
had
a
$550
assessment
after
that
for
fiscal
year,
21
and
22.
We
will
be
looking
to
reduce
that
due
to
the
changes
in
the
FEMA
funding
ratio,
so
we
should
be
able
to
go
back
down
to
the
550.
The
riprap
mitigation
has
been
delayed
pending
permitting.
M
M
Burnt
story-
el
canal,
maintenance
fund,
their
current
operating
assessment
was
460
dollars.
They
had
a
ninety
five
dollar
dredging
assessment
rate
through
fiscal
year,
21,
that
was
for
the
perimeter,
dredging
project.
So
again,
with
the
FEMA
rate
changes
they
could
have.
They
could
look
at
either
reducing
that
dredging
rate
and
like
paying
off
the
rest
of
that
debt,
so
they
wouldn't
have
to
have
the
$95
$95
dredging
or
they
could
use
that
towards
special
projects
that
they
have
in
their
pipeline.
M
M
M
M
The
additional
5
cent
gas
tax
fund
again
the
same
estimate
of
a
1%
estimated
increase
in
tax
revenue.
This
is
the
fun
that
gets
the
450
9000
transfer
for
paving
in
our
paving
plan
ranges
from
seven
hundred
and
twenty-five
thousand
to
seven
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
per
year
in
this
five-year
look.
M
M
So
council
had
a
workshop
in
January
which
worked
on
updating
the
mission,
the
vision
values
to
incorporate
input
from
all
stakeholders
from
the
master
plan
process,
some
selected
key
focus
areas
were
provided,
it
creates,
and
it's
going
to
continue
to
create
a
framework
for
specific,
measurable,
attainable
and
relevant
and
timely
goals,
also
known
as
SMART
goals.
And
again
it's
going
to
use
the
five
big
ideas
to
begin
developing
the
action
items
to
be
presented
in
early
April.
M
M
Okay,
we're
gonna
enter
into
some
of
our.
We
call
them
budget
issues,
but
maybe
they're
more
opportunities
like
we
talked
about
so
the
first
slide
is
just
the
discussion
of
effect
of
limiting
the
ad
valorem
revenue
to
the
increase
to
construction
value.
Only
this
is
known
as
the
rollback
rate,
if
like
we
were
only
to
take
the
construction
portion
and
not
use
only
bringing
the
same
revenue
that
we
brought
in
from
our
existing
property
taxes
from
the
prior
year.
M
So
if
we
retain
the
full
value
of
the
increase,
we
would
use
three
hundred
eighty
seven
thousand
three
hundred
and
reserves
like
we
talked
about
earlier
it
does.
It
does
include
the
three
hundred
thousand
for
the
drainage
and
the
effect
on
the
military
is
that
it
remains
at
the
three
point,
four
three,
three
seven:
if
you
limit
that
increase
to
the
rollback
rate,
the
use
of
reserves
would
increase
to
eight
hundred
and
forty
eight
thousand
one
hundred
dollars
again
we're
still
using
the
three
hundred
thousand
for
drainage
and
it
would
decrease
the
millage
rate
0.136.
M
A
M
M
A
Alternatives
every
now,
and
then
we
like
to
tell
the
department's
you
can
only
submit
this-
is
the
lower
option
so,
second
lying
down,
we
tell
them.
Let's
start
our
budget
building
based
on
the
current
property
tax
revenues,
including
new
construction,
only
and
then
build
your
budgets,
your
expenses.
A
A
It
shows
that
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
end
up
that
there,
but
it
gives
council
members
and
the
public
an
opportunity
to
see
what
would
happen.
If
that's
all
we
did,
we
went
to
a
rollback
rate
and
what
are
some
of
the
expenses
on
the
operating
side?
We
would
need
to
add
above
that,
and
we
build
upon
that.
It
makes
departments
think
about
how
to
keep
their
expenses
down
to
the
minimum
as
they
can.
A
B
Have
been
advocating
for
that
process
ever
since
I've
been
on
council
just
because
I
felt
like
it
was
a
good
process
to
go
through,
not
that
we
have
any
any
desire
to
change
our
millage
rate,
but
it's
a
good
process
to
go
through
to
determine
you
know
what
are
we
doing
and
do
we
need
to
continue
doing?
You
know
the
same
thing
and.
B
And
if
we
were
to
end
up
and
say
we
well,
we
really
only
need
three
point:
three,
nine,
nine,
nine
or
something
as
a
military.
We
could
decide.
Yes,
we're
not
going
to
change
our
millage
rate,
we're
going
to
put
the
rest
of
that
in
reserves,
but
it's
just
I
think
it's
a
good
process
to
start
with,
and
it
comes
from
my
budging
background
in
the
Corps
and
planning
process
in
the
corporate
world,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
that
kind
of
of
a
process
and.