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Council Budget Public Hearing 9-8-2021
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C
An
email
when
I
got
home-
oh
wouldn't
you
know
it
didn't,
say
anything
but
yeah.
Okay,
now
it
is
501
and
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
september
8th,
2021
city,
council,
punta
gorda
budget
hearing.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
city
officials
are
present
and
if
you
please
stand
and
join
me
for
the
pledge
of.
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C
Before
we
begin,
the
city
manager
has
a
couple
of
comments
that
he
would
like
to
share
with
the
group.
Please,
mr
murray.
F
Thank
you
mayor.
These
are
non-budgetary,
but
just
for
the
record,
we
did
have
someone
on
next
door.
I
do
not
have
a
next
door
account,
so
if
anyone
has
one
that
would
like
to
correct
this,
please
feel
free.
I
would
appreciate
it,
but
it
says
anyone
else
shocked
and
saddened
by
the
city.
Manager's
cancellation
of
the
9
11
anniversary,
remembrance
that
service
planned
for
punta
gorda.
I
believe
it
was
to
be
held
at
lashley
park
copied
cited
or
coveted
cases
used
as
the
excuse
for
canceling.
F
We
did
not
have
one
in
lashley
park,
therefore,
nor
was
it
canceled.
The
charlotte
county
event
was
canceled
by
charlotte
county.
That
was
not
in
the
city
of
punta
gorda.
Military
heritage
museum
is
having
a
an
event
for
9
11,
and
that
is
still
ongoing.
So
if
anyone
has
commented
on
that
or
reads,
it
feel
free
to
please
correct
that
we
did
not
cancel
one
that
was
scheduled
for
lashley
park.
F
I
don't
know
where
that
came
from,
but
just
want
to
make
sure,
since
it
is
getting
rave
reviews
that
we
correct
that
we'll
put
it
out
on
our
our
social
media
also,
so
that
people
knew
that
we
did
not
cancel
an
event
in
case
they
feel
we
did.
C
C
Okay,
before
we
begin
with
with
public
comments
or
anything
on
the
agenda,
we
have
a
few
housekeeping
notes
that
I
would
like
to
read.
First,
we
do
have
rules
of
conduct
in
the
council
chamber
and
they
are
posted
on
the
wall.
So
if
you
please
make
yourself
familiar
with
those
that
would
be
nice
and
I'll
have
a
few
other
housekeeping
notes.
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
board
should
use
the
guest
podium
located
at
the
entrance
door,
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
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Each
person
has
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council
members,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
person
in
the
room,
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
be
heard.
Speakers
should
be
requested
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation.
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No
applause,
no
booing,
no
any
other
commenting
before
during
or
after
each
speaker.
If
you
have
supporting
documents
that
you
would
like
displayed
during
the
meeting,
you
must
give
a
copy
to
us
that
we
can
put
on
the
screen,
so
everyone
can
see
it
and
the
viewers
at
home
can
also
see
it.
These
documents
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record
of
the
city
and
will
be
retained
by
the
city
clerk's
office.
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The
citizen
comments
are
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
It
is
recommended
that
you
refrain
from
asking
impromptu
questions.
As
the
council
members
will
not
engage
in
a
conversation
when
you
have
comments
or
debate
issues
with
members
of
the
public,
and
with
that
we
will
begin.
We
have
eight
public
hearings
today.
C
The
first
public
hearing
is
fiscal
year,
2022
budget,
hearing
presentation,
millage
rate,
all
funds,
operating
budget,
cra
operating
budget
and
special
assessments,
and
these
are
all
public
hearings.
So
after
the
presentation
is
made,
we
will
allow
for
citizen
comments
at
that
time.
On
each
hearing.
E
Christian,
so
this
first
one
is
really
more
just
a
presentation
to
show
you
what
we're
going
to
be
going
over
in
each
one
of
the
other
public
hearings.
So
I
will
start
with
the
presentation
and
it'll
just
get
it
to
kind
of
wake
up
here.
E
E
However,
when
they
updated
their
projections
on
august
24th,
we
did
have
to
add
some
additional
revenue
to
the
to
the
funds
and
that
affected
the
general
fund
and
the
one
percent
sales
tax
so-
and
this
was
necessitated
by
they
were
projecting
the
impacts
of
legislation
that
was
during
the
2021
legislative
session,
as
well
as
their
august
17th
general
revenue
estimating
conference.
E
So
again,
this
is
the
same
slide.
We've
shown
before
when
we
were
discussing
the
various
options
for
the
pro
formas,
and
this
is
the
recommended
planning.
That
means
seven
and
a
half
employees
being
added
to
the
general
fund
in
fiscal
year,
2022
mid-year,
so
we've
updated
the
revenue
and
just
let
it
fall
out
to
the
ending
reserves.
F
And
if
I
could
make
a
comment
on
that,
when
we
originally
discussed
this,
the
bottom
right
hand
number
right
above,
the
6.2
was
much
lower
than
that,
and
we
had
said
at
the
time
that
we
were
anticipating
additional
revenues
that
would
come
in.
That
would
help
that
bottom
line,
because
it
was
still
light
since
we
went
midway
and
we
didn't
go
fully.
F
What
was
required
to
make
that
work
at
the
end,
and
then
there
are
other
factors
such
as
with
a
millage
rate
increase
being
able
to
pay
off
the
cra
in
fiscal
year,
2025,
which
drops
the
additional
million
in
which
then
takes
it
from
1.9
to
2.9
and
with
the
additional
factors
that
we
discussed
at
the
time.
We
feel
we'll
be
in
the
3.9
to
4
range
by
the
end
of
the
five-year
period,
which
is
essentially
where
we
need
to
be
and
continuing
to
increase
in
year.
Six.
F
E
E
The
proposed
fiscal
year,
22
budget-
this
is
all
funds,
so
this
is
from
general
fund
to
all
our
enterprise
funds,
our
special
revenue
funds,
again
we're
at
161
million
nine
hundred,
fifty
nine
thousand
eight
hundred
and
ninety
nine
dollars,
and
you
can
see
how
it's
broken
up
for
the
various
types
of
revenues.
So
again,
13.6
percent
represents
the
total
of
taxes.
Ad
valorem
is
only
8.6
percent
and
then
all
the
various
other
types
of
revenues,
as
well
as
personnel
operating
capital
outlay,
all
the
various
expenditures
you
can
see
the
percentages
there.
F
And
again
just
to
comment,
as
we
discussed,
if
you
looked
at
the
millage
rate
of
3.4,
that
we
have
currently
or
the
rollback
rate,
with
nothing
being
added
to
the
budget,
we
were
using
a
million
dollars
in
reserves
a
year
and
by
year
five
we
were
essentially
out
of
cash
and
out
of
options.
So
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
drove
this.
F
So
if
I
asked
a
question
about
the
airport
to
the
gentleman,
that's
in
operations
at
the
airport
last
week
asked
what
their
operating
budget
was
to
compare
to
that,
just
as
an
example
when
he
said
12
million,
so
we
have
5.5
million.
Our
operating
budget
has
increased
over
the
last
15
years
by
2.4
total
not
per
year
total.
E
E
E
For
the
community
redevelopment
agency,
the
proposed
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022
is
5,
seven
999,
ninety
seven
dollars
and
we
did
put
in
there
the
base
assessed
value
and
then
what
the
2021
assessed
value
was
for
information.
E
E
E
I
guess
for
the
presentation:
if
you'd
like
or
do
you
want
to
it's,
it's
really
the
the
next
items
that
are
really
the
hearings.
This
was
just
the
presentation
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
before
we
went
into
all
that,
but
that's
fine,
you
could
either
okay.
Do
it
either
way.
C
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
anybody
have
any
questions.
First
of
all
of
any
of
that,
okay,
we'll
move
on
to
item
1b,
which
is
a
resolution
adopting
a
tentative
millage
rate
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
for
fiscal
year,
2021,
2022
and
setting
a
date
time
and
place
of
public
hearing
to
consider
the
final
millage
rate,
the
city
of
punta
gorda's,
calculated
rolled
back
millage
rate
for
fiscal
year.
2021
2022
is
3.3203
mills,
while
the
proposed
millage
rate
to
be
levied
is
3.9500.
C
Mills
which
is
18.97
percent
higher
than
the
rolled
back
millage
rate,
and
you
have
presentation
to
do
on
that.
C
A
D
Against
the
millage
rate
increase,
for
example,
if
you
talk
to
the
the
county
tax
assessor,
he
said
that
the
assessments
are
really
going
up.
You
know
here
throughout
the
county,
which
would
be
kinda
good,
also
so
a
big
source
of
revenue
coming
in
there.
We
have
all
kinds
of
new
houses
being
built.
You
know
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
more
revenue
is
coming
in.
So
I
disagree
with
just
asking
for
this
and
going.
G
Hi
I'm
randy
vance,
I
haven't
met
any
of
the
councilman
individually,
but
I've
written
you
each
an
email
and
haven't
gotten
a
response.
I
was
did
receive
one
back
from
the
city
manager
and
I
appreciate
that
what
you're
asking
for
right
now
I
got
my
tax
bill
today
and
that's
a
20
increase
in
property
taxes
that
is
kind
of
outrageous.
When
you're
looking
at
a
161
million
dollar
budget
and
you're
spending,
one
million
dollars
of
reverse
reserves,
I
think
that's
poor,
bookkeeping.
G
You've
got
five
percent
annual
property
tax
growth
every
year
in
a
year
in
an
era
where
there's
one
to
two
percent
inflation,
and
you
can't
make
budget.
No,
that's
wrong!
It's
wrong!
Also,
because
you
couldn't
raise
this
millage
with
a
public
vote,
but
you're
going
to
do
it
by
council.
Fiat
that's
wrong,
you're
doing
it
during
a
time
of
pandemic
when
people
are
afraid
to
come
out
and
talk,
and
obviously
they're
out
here
anyway,
and
it
shouldn't
be
done
that
way.
G
The
other
thing
is,
is
that
you're
saying
you
need
the
tax
increase
to
accommodate
growth,
but
you're
also
telling
us
in
the
county
meet
or
in
the
city
meetings
about
the
planning
and
zoning
that
that
growth
is
going
to
lower
our
taxes,
but
instead
you
need
more
money
to
do
it.
You
want
to
annex
five
parcels
a
year,
but
you
need
our
money
to
do
it.
We're
saying
no.
G
The
community
doesn't
want
to
grow
like
this,
and
we
don't
want
our
taxes
to
grow
so
that
we
can
grow
a
big
trophy
program
for
the
city
management.
It's
wrong
on
all
levels
and
you
need
to
table
it.
You
need
to
table
it
tonight
so
that
we
can
all
move
on
and
get
back
to
our
homes
and
and
not
have
to
worry
about
more
ridiculous
taxes.
H
The
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say
is
that
that
in
florida
the
average
percentage
to
taxable
value
of
a
home
is
1.05,
with
this
increase,
punta
gorda
will
be
a
1.89
percent.
On
of
my
appraised
value,
my
property
appraised
at
519
000
and
my
tax
bill
is
979.
C
D
Good
evening
my
name
is
tom
weeks.
Thank
you
for
your
service
to
the
city,
because
you
have
to
listen
to
people
like
me.
My
wife
told
me
to
be
nice,
so
I
will
or
else
she'll
hurt
me.
The
tax
base
went
up
five
and
a
half
percent.
D
This
last
year
I
was
shocked
how
little
it
went
up.
I
talked
to
the
assessor
at
length
he's
a
straight
up
guy,
so
I
I
believe
it.
D
So,
but
if
you
look
at,
if
you
want
to
increase
the
mill
rate
by
16
and
then
you've
got
5.5
percent
increase
in
front
of
that
you're
going
up
quite
a
bit
you're
going
up
like
21,
that's
a
big
increase.
D
D
Everybody
in
this
room
is
going
to
take
a
five
percent
haircut
due
to
inflation
this
year
and
then
you're
going
to
raise
our
taxes.
On
top
of
that.
Not
that
excited
about
that.
D
Are
you
talking
about
this
city
position
report
you're,
going
to
hire
10
more
people,
two
police,
two
fire
three
and
a
half
public
works,
one
information
technology,
one
sanitation
and
a
half
a
building
inspector.
I
haven't
heard
anybody
complain
about
services.
I
think
everybody's
doing
a
pretty
good
job,
except
for
the
building
inspector
and
everybody
complains
about
the
building
inspector.
D
D
D
I've
got
this
pro
forma
thing
and
having
a
hat
up
there
in
2022
we're
going
to
have
a
surplus
of
447
000
if
we
have
an
increase
of
1.8
million
in
revenue
from
taxes,
if
there's
no
revenue
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
be
a
1.4
and
a
hole,
2023
983
deficit,
2.4
million
increase
in
spending
2024
deficit,
1.3
million
91.9
million
increase
in
spending
2025
deficit,
1.7
million
1.1
million
increase
in
spending
2026
deficit,
2.3
million
1.4.
I
Hello,
bob
fritz
bernsteins
16
again
well
now,
with
a
1.4
rate
of
inflation
per
the
county
tax,
assessor
something's,
wrong
part
of
it
is
seems
to
be
the
number
of
employees
and
you're
proposing,
I
think,
eight
and
a
half
for
for
this
year,
7.5
and
one
for
the
it
researched
a
little
bit
in
the
florida
league
of
cities
and
for
a
city
with
a
population
of
between
fifteen
thousand
and
sixty
thousand.
I
I
I
The
city
council
then
gave
they
give
a
charlotte
harbor
environmental
center.
Eighty
five
hundred
dollars
every
year
they
came
in
and
said
we
are
in
trouble.
We
need
more
money,
so
you
gave
him
fifteen
thousand
dollars
of
our
money
and
by
the
way
that
one
percent
interest
rate
you
charge,
the
residents
of
buckley
pass
2.5
percent
to
lend
them
back
their
money.
I
Okay,
there's
something
wrong,
and
you
know
this
general
fund.
I
I
I
don't
think
it's
gonna
work
and
you
know
I
think,
if
it
was
a
four
or
five
percent
increase
spread,
then
again,
maybe
in
a
year,
maybe
in
two
years
it
would
work
not
16
at
once.
Thank.
C
J
J
I'm
I'm
a
taken
back
by
that.
Every
time
a
property
changes
hands
the
assessed
value
goes
up.
Every
time
a
house
is
built
which
is
happening
as
you're
taking
a
piece
of
dirt
and
multiplying
its
taxable
base
by
no
less
than
four
times
in
as
much
as
10.
I'm
confused.
We
have
the
convalescent
care
facility
going
up
over
socorro
na
kiesta.
J
D
D
C
K
I'm
not
sure
where
to
start.
First
of
all,
oh
I'm
sorry.
First
of
all
we
have
been
discussing
this
budget
in
every
council
meeting
since
january
and
those
council
discussions
have
been
on
youtube.
You
could
go
back
and
watch
any
of
them
as
we
went
through
each
department
line
by
line
each
employee
line
by
line.
This
is
not
something
that
we
just
decided
to
do
yesterday
and
bring
it
on
you.
This
has
been
a
long
process.
The
reason
there
was
no
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
is
we
were
done.
We'd
already
discussed
it.
K
Some
of
the
things
that
we're
doing
are
because
of
things
that
happened
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
we're
having
to
correct
you
know
my
taxes
have
gone
up
too,
but
I
hope
that
you
will
all
look
at
your
tax
assessments
closer
to
see
what
is
your
city
tax
and
what
is
your
county
tax?
And
what
is
your
school
tax?
K
L
Because
one
point
we
have
to
discuss
is
that
we
have
even
better
services
than
the
city
of
naples
and
that
the
cost
of
our
services
is
not
covered
by
our
residential
taxes.
We've
managed
to
basically
do
a
balance
of
balancing
it
with
commercial
tax
base.
B
L
Using
our
reserves
we're
at
a
point
now
where
we
wish
to
actually
pretty
much
pay
for
our
services
and
do
it
properly
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
balanced
and
why
this
is
such
a
shock
is
because
for
many
years
we
just
operated
at
a
deficit
in
regard
to
paying
for
these
services,
and
now
it's
caught
up
to
us,
and
so
now
we
just
have
to
we've,
got
to
manage
our
budget
responsible
way.
I'm
definitely
very
very
against
raising
taxes,
but
this
is
actually
essential
for
the
sustainability
of
our
city.
C
Let
me
thank
you
for
that.
Further
to
that
we
this
is,
unfortunately,
the
the
leftover
remains
of,
unfortunately
or
fortunately,
former
city
councils,
who
voted
to
not
increase
the
millage
rate
for
six
years,
so
we
had
a
steady
millage
rate
for
six
years
which
everybody
enjoyed.
However,
the
city
was
losing
more
and
more
money
every
year.
By
doing
that,
and
we
were
also
using
reserve
funds
to
balance
the
budget,
we
laid
off
several
dozen
employees
back
in
2006
and
seven
because
we
had
to
balance
the
budget,
those
employees
we
found.
C
Now
we
as
the
city
is
increasing
in
in
population.
We
have
to
bring
some
of
those
employees
back.
If
you
I
dare
say
that
if
you
had
a
medical
emergency,
you
wouldn't
want
to
wait.
15
minutes
for
a
fire
truck
or
a
first
responder
or
a
police
officer
to
get
to
your
house.
That's
part
of
what
we
have
to
do.
You
know
we
were
using
the
reserve
funds,
which
is
very
critical
for
a
city
of
this
size.
The
nationally
recommended
average
of
budget
in
the
reserve
account
is
16.7
percent
of
your
annual
operating
budget.
C
We
were
at
five
percent
a
few
years
ago.
The
city
council
made
a
conscious
decision
to
increase
that
budget
in
that
fund
by
a
half
of
a
percent
each
year
until
we
get
to
a
manageable
level
where
we
can
be,
you
know
capable
of
getting
loans
for
the
city
if
we
need
them
and
that
we
can
prove
solvency
for
the
city
and
and
it's
very
critical,
that
we
have
those
funds
in
a
reserve
account
for
such
situations
as
hurricane
charlie
when
we
had
it
so
some
of
these
things
are
we
don't
like.
C
C
But
we've
we've
had
these
conversations
for
a
full
year
and
as
soon
as
the
budget
is
adopted
for
this
year,
we're
going
to
start
working
on
next
year.
That's
just
the
way
the
budget
process
goes.
We
are
obligated
by
state
statute
to
have
the
trim
notice
numbers
into
the
county
by
the
early
part
of
july
every
year.
That's
why
we
have
these
meetings
when
the
snowbirds
aren't.
Here
we
are
obligated
by
florida
state
statute.
C
We
have
to
have
those
numbers
solidified
and
in
the
the
tax
appraiser's
office
by
the
early
part
of
july,
so
that
the
trim
notices
can
be
mailed
out
in
august.
This
is
not
an
intentional
slight
on
snowbirds
or
anyone
else.
So
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
enter
into
this
budget
process.
That
perhaps
you
didn't
know-
and
I-
and
I
hope
that
you
would
welcome
any
of
us-
would
welcome
you
contacting
us
to
answer
specific
questions.
C
We
always
try
to
get
you
truthful,
factual
answers
and
please
don't
get
your
news
on
next
door
because,
honestly,
some
of
the
stuff
that's
posted
on
there,
as
as
city
manager
just
indicated
a
little
while
ago,
some
of
the
stuff
that's
on
there
is
just
it's
fake
news,
so
you
know
if
you
want
factual
information
contact,
any
of
us
we'll
be
happy
to
give
you
an
answer.
Well,
if
we
don't
have
the
answer,
we'll
get
it
for
you.
B
C
B
Been
studying
this
ad
nauseam
for
the
last
year,
and
I
don't
like
increasing
taxes
any
any
more
than
anybody
else
does
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
done.
As
was
mentioned,
the
management
was
of
the
finances,
was
using
our
reserves
to
balance
the
budget,
and
what
that
did
as
well
was
in
trying
to
be
frugal,
is
forcing
a
lot
of
employees
to
do
work
more
with
or
do
more
with
less
and
produce
more
and
as
such,
we
end
up
with
so
few
people
to
do
what
we
need
to
have
done.
B
I
I
don't
know
how
many
times
I've
actually
been
in
a
council
meeting
where
I
said,
can
somebody
please
go
pressure
wash
the
stairwell
at
harold
court
center
because
it
stinks
and
it's
because
we
and
someone
has
said
well,
you
need
to
have
a
plan,
a
plan
on
everything
that
needs
to
be
done
in
this
city.
Well,
we
do
have
a
plan,
it's
just.
We
don't
have
enough
people
to
to
actually
do
it
when
we
think
it
should
be
done
to
manage,
and
so
that's
what
greg
has
been
working
on.
B
What
do
we
need
to
do?
How
do
we
need
to
really
manage
the
city
and
it's
not
a
reflection
on
the
management
of
the
previous
city
managers.
Greg
came
in
here
started
peeling
back
the
onion
and
saying
wait
a
minute.
Why
are
we
doing
it
like
this
and
that's
what
you
know?
He
came
here
with
this
expertise
and
it
was
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
on
things.
B
You
know
it's.
As
was
mentioned
earlier.
We
have
in
our
police
department.
We
said
some
people
said
we
don't
need
any
more
police.
Well,
we
we
do,
our
city
has
grown
and
we
have
police
that,
where
we've
had
somebody
resign
because
they
had
so
much
overtime
that
was
hurting
their
family.
B
So
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
that.
As
was
mentioned,
we
have
two
people
on
per
fire
truck.
I
think
it
is,
and
it's
delivering
advanced
life
support.
B
We
need
more
people
on
on
to
support
our
our
community
because
we're
delivering
we're
not
just
going
to
people's
houses
and
doing
minor
things.
This
is
a
serious
work
and
highly
trained
people
as
well.
They're
all
paramedics
delivering
these
services
was
mentioned
that
the
advanced
life
support
our
advanced
flight
support,
the
assisted
living
facility
on
socaro
and
ikea
star.
B
Well,
that's
now
under
construction,
we're
not
going
to
see
any
revenues
from
that
property
tax
revenues
from
that
into
what
maybe
2024
at
the
earliest.
That's
the
earliest
yeah.
So
that's
several
years
down
the
road
the
business
community
supports
this.
Despite
what
was
written
in
the
newspaper
as
I'm.
Looking
at
our
our
friendly
newspaper
reporter,
the
meeting
that
was
held
here,
the
the
business
community
was
very
supportive
of
this,
so
we
talked
about
massive
expenditures.
There
are
not
massive
expenditures.
B
K
K
Some
of
them
have
less
millage
rates
because
they
charge
you
extra
for
police
and
for
fire,
and
for
things
like
that,
which
we
don't
do
it's
all
rolled
in,
we
are
still
the
second
lowest
in
southwest
florida.
So
you
know
it's
not
like.
We've
just
raised
prices
to
drive
people
out
we're
still
keeping
it
very
reasonable
and
we're
doing
the
best.
We
can
john.
A
Yes,
I'm
glad
everybody
else
got
to
talk
first,
because
everything
that
was
said
is
true,
and
I
agree
with.
I
would
just
comment
on
a
couple
things
that
several
people
brought
up
here
tonight.
A
Our
our
general
front
front
fund
is
separated
from
our
utility
fund,
and
so,
when
you
see
the
general
fund,
there's
there's
fewer
personnel
in
that
and
we
as
you
as
we
found
with
comparing
a
lot
of
things
with
other
communities.
You've
got
to
look
at
how
they
sum
it
up,
and
so
just
picking
a
number
out
and
saying
that
you
only
need
195
people
for
or
whatever
the
number
was
for
a
city
this
size
that
they're,
not
whatever
you
they
use
they're,
not
necessarily
counting
the
people
the
same
way.
We
count
them.
A
So
that's
the
main
thing
about
comparisons
there
as
someone
else
as
one
of
our
other
two
there
are
other
people
said
our
council.
People
said
our
city
needs
a
lot
of
maintenance
that
we
haven't
had,
but
that's
one
part
of
it.
The
other
part
is
if
you
look
at
the
one
cent
sales
tax
that
we
went
over
very
quickly
tonight.
A
There
are
programs
in
there
that
are
just
demanding
that
they
get
done.
You
know
the
city
hall
needs
to
be
rebuilt
and
and
the
fire
department,
police
department
needs
to
be
built
rebuilt
and
a
number
of
other
issues
that,
as
people
worked
on
the
one
cent
sales
tax,
they
said
these
things
we
just
got
to
do
and
these
days
these
things
are
very
expensive
now.
A
Fortunately,
we
are
fortunate
that
our
we
have
more
people
here
living
here
and
the
revenues
coming
in
from
the
state
are
larger
than
we
thought
and
so
we're
going
to
have
a
few
more
dollars
in
those
buckets
to
complete
some
of
the
projects.
Everybody
loves
the
gilchrist
park.
We
still
have
at
least
a
million,
maybe
two
million
dollars
worth
of
work
to
do
there
and
that
all
comes
from
the
one
cent
sales
tax.
We
can't
do
many
of
these
things.
A
Unless
we
we
get,
have
the
one
cent
sales
tax
and,
unfortunately,
all
you
are
many
of
you
most
of
you
agreed
with
that
at
the
last
time
it
came
out
got
on
our
the
ballot.
Let's
see.
C
F
Ahead,
just
as
information
I've
provided
this
to
some
that
have
asked
two
weeks
ago,
I
sat
in
here
all
morning
and
we
advertised
that
if
there
were
any
questions
on
the
budget
comments
suggestions,
I
would
be
here.
You
know
all
day
to
answer
them
or
all
morning
at
least
mr
fritz
showed
up,
and
I
appreciated
that
we
had
some
time
I
was
able
to
get
his
perspective
and
appreciated
the
information
that
he
had
he's
the
only
one.
F
No
one
else
showed
up
so
to
start
like
to
say
when
we
talk
about
the
real
estate
bubble,
a
lot
of
people
have
talked
about
that
and
yes,
property
values
have
gone
up
substantially,
but
our
tax
rate.
Doesn't
we
have
a
5.2
percent
increase
this
year?
We're
well
aware
of
what
we'll
have
in
the
coming
years,
especially
with
new
properties
being
developed.
That's
one
of
the
things
that
will
make
our
proform
over
five
year
plan
work
when
we
originally
discussed
what
is
needed
completely.
F
We
didn't
go
0.8,
we
cut
personnel,
we
cut
the
budget,
we
cut
a
lot
of
different
things
and
we
also
found
out
that
by
using
a
million
dollars
in
reserves
over
a
five-year
period,
if
we
did
nothing,
don't
add
anything
to
the
budget,
we
would
still
be
at
zero
in
year
six,
unless
we
put
0.31
in
just
to
break.
Even
so,
0.31
is
the
break-even
point.
If
you
do
nothing.
F
The
other
point,
too,
is
what
we're
using
to
improve
the
situation
that
currently
exists,
and
it's
not
for
new
growth.
It's
not
for
annexation
initiatives.
It's
not
to
make
city
management.
Look
good.
Certainly
you
know
proposing
a
millage
rate
increase
in
no
way
does
that
make
city
management
look
good,
but
it
is
what's
necessary.
F
So
we
don't
expect
that
0.31
is
what
we
need
to
do
so
that
we
can
just
break
even
after
five
years,
and
we
don't
have
zero
cash
and
zero
options
at
the
end
of
the
pro
forma
in
your
personal
budget,
most
people,
especially
if
you're
retired
and
people
that
talk
about
fixed
income.
I'm
sure
you
don't
just
look
at
this
year's
expenses
and
whatever
you
have
in
savings,
use
that
to
pay
them.
I'm
sure
you
look
a
little
bit
longer
term
than
that,
and
so
does
the
city.
F
So
when
we
look
at
our
taxable
values,
we
know
that
when
we
had
in
2007
we
started
the
recession
and
between
that
and
2012,
we
lost
about
34
percent
of
our
taxable
actually
23
from
3.5
billion,
an
accessible
base
down
to
2.7
billion
an
accessible
base.
At
the
same
time,
when
we
look
at
parity
for
homesteaded
properties,
they
had
about
34
lower
than
generally
the
taxable
base.
Were
there
no
homestead
program
or
save
our
homes,
programs
with
the
state
of
florida?
F
So
when
we
lost
our
23
percent
or
20
3
down
to
2.7
billion,
people
were
still
paying
taxes
down
at
34
percent
lower
than
their
property
values
and
their
property
tax
could
still
go
up,
even
though
the
property
values
dropped.
So
much
now
when
we
went
from
2012
back
to
2022,
we
just
this
year
have
increased
to
where
we're
at
3.6
billion
say
that
we're
actually
above
what
we
were
in
2007
just
this
year.
F
F
What
happened
the
next
year,
though,
was
of
course
that
was
rolled
back.
If
that
would
not
have
been
rolled
back,
we
would
probably
not
be
having
this
conversation,
because
that
was
a
substantial
amount
of
lost
revenue
that
we
would
have
recovered
so
now
in
2022
we're
over
the
3.5
billion
that
we
were
in
2007,
so
we've
started
seeing
that
accessible
base
rebound
likewise,
just
as
information,
if
you
use
we're
at
3.95,
which
the
state
has
three
tiers.
F
F
Four
out
of
five
that
are
approved,
the
other
has
to
go
to
referendum
if,
indeed,
it's
raised
even
higher
or
if
you're
like
fort
myers
or
in
north
port
sarasota,
any
of
them
that
you
look
at
that
that
were
lower
than
we
did
not
go
to
any
of
those
extremes.
We're
still
what's
considered
a
moderate
tax
increase
by
that
regulation,
and
that
requires
a
majority
of
the
city
council.
F
If
you
look
at
a
house,
that's
a
500
thousand
dollar
home
if
it
was
a
taxable
value
of
500
000,
and
it
was
done
today
that
would
be
500
000
units
and
if
you
use
force
or
four
instead
of
395,
just
to
make
it
easy,
that's
two
thousand
dollars.
So
we
can't
have
a
nine
thousand
dollar
tax
bill
on
something
that
a
maximum
for
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
home
would
be
two
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
just
the
math
of
that.
F
So
we
really
need
to
look
at
what
the
taxes
are
that
are
related
to
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
right
now,
with
the
tax
assessor,
the
information
that
he
sent
us
on
a
500
000
home
that
was
homesteaded
and
had
to
save
our
homes,
credit,
it
was
actually
taxed
at
about
309
000
total
for
long-term
residents
again,
and
the
taxable
increase
on
the
trim
notice
was
148
dollars,
so
148
is
less
than
three
dollars
a
week.
The
proposed
millage
rate,
of
course,
is
something
that's
been
discussed
ad
nauseam.
F
In
reality,
the
meetings
were
discussed
in
detail,
the
proposals
in
detail
in
june
and
july
at
every
city
council
meeting,
all
those
pro
formas
were
put
out
there.
The
rationale
for
employees
were
put
out
there.
The
expenditures
were
put
out
there
and
the
capital
budget
was
put
out
there
that
whole
160
million
that
we're
talking
about
a
very
small
portion
of
that
is
the
general
fund
budget.
F
That
impacts
the
millage
rate,
so
we're
not
talking
about
160
million
dollar
budget,
that's
all
related
to
the
millage
rate,
we're
talking
about
a
smaller
amount
and,
as
I
said,
we
have
5.5
million
that
actually
operates
the
city
itself,
so
the
meetings
were
available
to
watch
online.
They
were
available
to
be
here,
live
they
are
archived
on
the
city
website.
Of
course
anyone
was
welcome
to
attend
in
person.
We
asked
for
public
comment
through
various
venues,
including
social
media,
the
homeowners
association
such
as
pgica
prior
to
ever
taking
it
to
council.
F
There
was
an
article
in
the
paper
on
april
9th
that
was
my
article
that
asked
for
public
input
for
our
budget
process.
We
had
emails,
sent
with
comment
to
counsel
that
were
read
into
the
record
at
every
meeting
during
the
covid
restrictions,
and
of
course,
emails
can
still
be
sent
to
council
was,
of
course
you
still
receive.
F
But
that's
your
actual
revenue,
your
cash.
This
we
have
a
planned
use
of
reserves.
We
know
where
we'll
be
at
the
end
of
five
years,
and
we
know
what
will
actually
improve
that
included
in
that
five-year
plan
was
the
5.2
in
percent
increase
in
assessments
for
the
coming
year,
that
was
provided
by
the
assessment
office
and
also
the
subsequent
increases
of
property
values
in
the
future
years
in
the
pro
forma.
F
Fortunately,
they
help
offset
some
of
the
deficits
that
we
currently
experience
with.
All
that
considered
the
revenue
necessary
to
break,
even,
as
I
said,
without
any
increases
in
personnel
and
savings
as
presented,
was
.31
on
the
millage
rate.
That's
required
regardless
just
to
break
even
we
can't
have
no
cash
after
a
five-year
period.
Obviously,
fortunately,
it
keeps
us
near
the
bottom
of
the
total
burden
for
the
surrounding
jurisdictions,
and
I
mentioned
about
the
increase
that
took
place
in
2013.
F
We
certainly
could
have
used
that
revenue
between
then
and
now
to
help
offset
this
proposed
increase.
A
comprehensive
five-year
plan
wasn't
previously
proposed.
It
lends
a
different
perspective
on
city
operations
for
personnel.
Our
strategic
strategic
initiatives
have
been
updated
to
include
a
staffing
assessment
for
each
department
and
unfortunately,
or
fortunately,
in
some
cases
we
don't
just
provide
service
to
the
20
800
people
that
are
in
the
city
of
punta
gorda.
F
If
you
look
at
many
of
the
employees
they're
serving
a
much
larger
population
base,
especially
if
you
look
at
utilities
et
cetera,
and
that
population
base
certainly
drives
up
the
staffing
totals,
but
they
also
pay
a
25
premium
on
the
rates
that
help
offset
the
cost
of
those
employees.
So
it
keeps
costs
down
for
in-city
residents.
So
when
we
evaluate
the
need,
we
look
at
actual
tasks
and
things
like
not
related
to
the
millage
rate.
F
But
you
know
we
certainly,
as
part
of
those
employees
have
things
like
seawall
maintenance
or
we
have
things
like
a
sanitation
fund.
Those
are
all
total
employees,
but
they're
not
related
to
the
military
whatsoever.
The
general
fund
has
a
much
lower
number
than
that
when
we
look
at
our
fire
and
medic
personnel
we're
getting
ready
to
to
to
mourn
the
20-year
anniversary
of
9
11.
The
last
time
that
there
was
an
additional
person
put
on
one
of
our
fire
apparatus
was
at
911
for
the
last
20
years.
F
There's
been
no
other
personnel
put
on
that
fire
apparatus.
Now
people
can
say
well,
they're
still
running
yep.
They
are
still
running
our
response
times
are
going
up
and
the
safety
and
response
standards
that
are
required
on
those
trucks
are
more
than
we've
been
able
to
manage
for
20
years,
not
to
mention
what
it
does
to
the
overtime
which
we
expect
will
offset
some
of
the
cost
and
what
it
does
to
the
employees
themselves
when
they're
required
to
work
those
long
shifts
because
of
lack
of
staffing,
police
training
and
safety
requirements
have
increased.
F
Quantifiably
staffing
levels
have
remained
low
there.
Also,
we
have
people
that
bring
that
to
our
attention
all
the
time,
because
they're
both
union
departments
and
they
don't
hesitate
to
compare
our
staffing
levels
with
any
of
the
surrounding
cities
and
any
of
the
requirements
and
statute
and
safety.
F
Our
public
works
department
once
had
85
employees
and,
of
course
you
know.
After
charlie,
there
was
a
lot
of
federal
money,
a
lot
of
work
that
had
to
be
done
a
lot
of
rebuilding
of
the
city.
Once
we
get
that
city
rebuilt,
though
we
haven't
had
a
long-term
plan
and
turn
that
corner,
so
you
can
now
manage
the
infrastructure
that
you
have.
All
you
have
to
do
is
take
a
list
of
the
complaints.
We
get
all
the
time
about
things
that
are
appealing
things
that
aren't
painted
things
that
are
growing
out
of
rain
spouts.
F
You
know
you
go
look
at
the
piping
underneath
the
parking
garages
that
are
all
peeling
there's.
Nothing
that's
been
able
to
be
done
with
that.
We
have
one
person
that
takes
care
of
most
of
our
building
issues.
When
we
look
at
graffiti
in
the
garage
we'll
call
him,
you
know,
go
paint
over
the
graffiti.
That's
in
the
garage,
oh
by
the
way,
this
lights
out,
this
door
doesn't
work
and
our
security
system
is
jammed.
F
There's
one
person
that
handles
that
we
do
the
same
with
a
lot
of
the
parks
work,
not
our
right-of-way
staff,
but
the
actual
person
that
manages
our
parks.
Even
our
sanitation
workers.
We've
had
19
employees
for
the
last
15
years,
while
where
our
growth
has
exceeded
22
percent.
So
far,
now
that
22
percent
means
that
we
have
to
pay
for
the
growth.
That's
already
occurred,
not
for
growth
that
we're
projecting
in
the
future.
That's
not
what
we're
asking
for,
and
not
what
we're.
F
Looking
at
we're
trying
to
keep
up
with
what
we
have
to
manage
the
city,
in
addition
to
the
proposal,
when
we
look
at
the
firefighters,
we
have
the
opportunity
for
75
percent
of
the
staffing
cost
for
that
to
be
paid
by
the
safer
grant
for
the
first
two
years
and
allows
us
over
time
to
increase
each
piece
of
apparatus
at
each
station
for
each
shift
by
one
person.
So
you
have
three
shifts
there
are
24-hour
shifts.
You
have
three
stations
three
times.
Three
is
nine.
F
F
Obviously,
the
budget
was
cut
by
548
549
in
order
to
offset
the
additional
cost,
and
even
with
that
proposed
increase
right
now.
Fortunately,
we're
below
the
surrounding
jurisdictions
and
we're
still
looking
at
issues
like
the
15
minimum
wage,
our
wage
and
compensation
study,
all
of
those
that
we
still
have
to
address
as
we
move
forward
in
the
pro
forma
that
we're
confident
this
gives
us
the
latitude
to
be
able
to
address,
as
we
shift
around
the
priorities
that
we
currently
know
exist.
F
Of
course,
it
would
be
much
easier
to
do
nothing,
but
the
task
was
to
evaluate
the
need
and
what
it
takes
to
move
us
forward
and,
of
course,
it's
not
fair
to
present
that
need
to
you
without
some
way
to
actually
fund
that
need
or
a
solution
to
the
problem.
So
that
brings
us
to
a
middle
of
the
road
compromise
of
not
point
eight
and
not
point
three,
where
we
do
nothing
but
point
five
one.
F
It
puts
the
units
back
on
the
city
and
city
staff
to
make
that
work
over
the
course
of
five
years
and
improve
what
we
see
at
the
end
of
the
pro
forma
and
we're
confident
that
we
can
do
that
by
carefully
managing
the
budget
being
able
to
become
even
more
efficient
and
not
spend
everything.
F
So
that's
a
small
piece
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
there's
much
more
online
and
if
you
look
at
the
budget
message,
that's
also
online.
You
can
see
a
lot
more
detail
when
we
look
at
things
like
the
economic
statuses
of
southwest
florida
and
the
different
key
indicators
that
we
need
to
use
when
we
move
forward
with
budget
projections.
All
of
that
has
been
available
for
discussion
for
months
and
is
still
available
for
anyone
to
review
it's
right
on
our
website
from
the
front
page.
F
You
can
click
on
it,
see
all
the
information,
including
any
of
the
updated
pro
formas,
that
as
we
moved
through
what
was
projected
the
pro
forma
numbers
did
change
and
the
most
recent
updated
one
is
what
you
have
now
with
the
update
from
the
26th
from
the
state
of
florida,
so
for
people
that
weren't
aware
of
what
we
discussed.
That's
a
brief
summary
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
went
over
publicly.
K
F
K
K
I
just
add
one
thing:
yes,
I
would
also
like
I'm
assuming
that,
since
some
of
you
were
not
aware
of
the
whole
budget
process,
that
you're
also
not
aware
of
the
fact
that
we
have
a
grant
writer
supreme
on
staff
and
we
take
advantage
of
every
grant,
we
can
possibly
get
out
there.
I
believe
a
large
portion
of
the
body
cams
were
a
grant.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
chief
davis,
chief.
K
And
at
this
point
in
time,
we
have
over
10
million
dollars
worth
of
grant
applications
out
waiting
for
approval,
so
we're
not
just
sitting
around
waiting
for
a
landfall
we're.
We
are
actively
looking
for
money
that
is
available
to
small
cities
like
ours
and
the
fire
department
does
a
lot
of
grants
as
well.
Oh
yes,
they're,
and
we
want
to
talk
about.
B
Them
yeah,
since
we're
on
that
topic
of
the
the
body
cams.
I
think
that
it's.
This
is
an
example
of
one
of
those
things
that
you
can
say.
Well,
let's
not
spend
the
money
on
it.
It's
not
optional!
These
days,
it's
just
not
optional
yeah,
the
pressure
that
was
put
on
we.
We
were
more
leading
edge
here
in
adopting
body
cams
I've
seen
body
cam
footage,
it's
incredible
and
the
the
pressure
that
was
put
on
the
sheriff's
department
to
catch
up
because
they
didn't
have
body
cams,
there's
a
lot.
C
And
just
because
some
of
the
vehicles
that
the
city
owns
look
like
they're
brand
new
trust
me
they're,
not
new.
We
keep
them
tuned
up
and
painted
and
make
them
look
nice,
but
there's
some
vehicles
that
are
on
their
last
leg
that
we
have
to
put
in
a
rotational
list
of
vehicles
that
must
be
replaced
from
time
to
time
and
we
had.
We
had
one
employee
from
the
public
works
department
a
few
years
ago.
C
I
think
he
was
driving
a
10
year
old
vehicle
or
something-
and
it
had-
I
don't
know
250
000
miles
on
it
and
it
was
like
it
was
chugging
along,
but
we
we
finally
got
a
new
vehicle
for
that
person
who
had
push
pins
in
the
ceiling,
yeah
yeah,
so
anyway,
yeah.
I
think
I
think
all
of
our
points
are
have
been
made.
I
think
we
should
just
continue.
C
Do
you
need
a
motion?
Pardon
do
you
need
a.
K
B
C
That's
correct:
okay:
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
resolution
adopting
a
tentative
millage
rate
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
for
fiscal
year,
2021
2022
at
3.9500
mills
and
setting
the
second
reading
of
the
ordinance
for
adoption
to
september
22nd
2021
at
501
pm
in
council
chambers.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
C
E
Okay,
so
this
resolution
adopts
the
tentative
budget
for
fiscal
year,
21
2021
to
2022,
which
constitutes
appropriations
and
revenue
estimate
in
the
amount
of
161
million
eight
hundred
ninety
nine
dollars
net
of
interfund
eliminations.
That
amount
would
be
135
million.
Eight
hundred
fifty
three
thousand
one
hundred
seventy
two
dollars
and
we
would
be
setting
the
final
budget
public
hearing
as
september
22nd
at
501
pm
in
council
chambers.
C
Okay,
once
again,
this
is
a
public
hearing.
If
anyone
would
like
to
address
the
council
on
this
issue,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
M
Hello,
my
name
is
debbie
kudray
and
my
husband
and
I
have
been
noticing
when
the
the
apparatus,
the
the
ambulances
and
the
fire
trucks
and
everything
comes
out,
can't
that
be
assessed
before
sending
all
of
those
out,
because
the
whole
street
is
taken
up
full
of
ambulance
fire
trucks.
M
Everything
like
if
we're
going
to
be
hiring
more
firefighters
than
that
can't
we
hire
people
that
know
how
to
operate
drones,
somebody
that
can
assess
what
we
need
before
we
send
it
out,
because
it's
overkill,
it's
like
it's
it's
just
way
too
much
is
what
we've
been
noticing
so
we'd.
Just
like
you
to
consider
that.
C
Okay,
thank
you
we'll
address
that
when
we're
done
with
the
citizen
comments,
is
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
address
the
council
on
this
issue
last
call
anyone
that
would
like
to
address
the
council.
Please
come
to
the
podium
move
to
close
public
hearing.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
C
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously
to
answer
your
question
about
the
emergency
vehicles
and
I'll
ask
the
two
chiefs
if
they
want
to
chime
in
a
little
bit
here,
please,
when
we
send
a
first
responder
out
to
a
call.
First
of
all,
the
ambulances
belong
to
charlotte
county.
They
don't
belong
to
the
city.
We
lease.
We
loan
them
space
in
each
of
our
fire
stations
and
they
they
staff
it
from
the
county
for
for
the
emts
and
paramedics.
C
No
they're
not
dedicated,
they
can
go
to
any
call
in
the
county
actually
and
if
a
call
comes
in
that's
outside
of
the
city
limits,
they
may
even
be
on
those
calls.
So
the
other
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is
that
when
we
send
a
fire
truck
very
often
we
are
sending
a
fire
truck
who
has
an
advanced
life
support
employee
on
the
truck
who
can
address
something
like
a
heart
attack
or
a
stroke
victim
much
more
quickly
than
we
can
get
an
ambulance
there
on
many
on
many
situations
and.
J
Chief
operation
chief
holden
gibbs
for
the
record,
she's,
absolutely
correct
the
the
fire
trucks
we
have
paramedics
on
each
fire
truck.
We
carry
the
same
als
equipment
that
you'd
find
in
the
ambulances,
and
you
got
to
remember.
There's
only
two
people
on
the
ambulances
as
well,
and
one
person
has
to
drive
so
it's
very
hard,
very
difficult
to
manage
that
scene
or
manage
that
patient
when
you're
having
to
worry
about
airway
chest,
compressions
medications,
ivs
and
all
these
different
things.
That
might
happen
so
a
lot
of
times.
F
C
We
may
have
a
standoff.
We
may
have
a
hostage
situation,
there's
all
kinds
of
things
that
enter
into
each
call
and
the
the
911
operators
basically
try
to
research
all
the
data
that
they're
getting
from
the
caller
before
they
dispatch
whatever
vehicles
they
dispatch.
So
it
depends
on
the
situation
what
vehicles
need
to
be
dispatched
and
how
many
people
have
to
show
up
at
a
situation.
Yes,
you
may
be
inundated
with
a
lot
of
vehicles,
but
they're
all
there
for
a
very
specific
reason.
J
Charlotte
county's,
ambulances
are
in
very,
very
high
demand,
especially
with
what's
going
on
with
covid
there's
many
many
days
where
they
are
on
what
they
consider
a
condition
red,
or
there
might
only
be
one
or
two
ambulances
that
aren't
busy
at
any
given
time
and
they
might
be
up
in
murdoch
or
in
inglewood.
So
they
it's
a
big
shell
game,
so
you
might
not
always
have
one
of
our
rescues
or
one
of
the
county's
rescues
located
within
the
city
and
us
being
able
to
get
there
on
scene.
J
C
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
they
are
getting
ready
to
build
another
fire
station
at
the
south
end
of
the
county
because
of
all
the
influx
of
new
residents
moving
into
the
area
and
you've
got
the
the
old
turn
bay.
Development
on
burnt
store
road,
as
well
as
a
lot
of
other
projects
on
burnt,
store
road
and
then
the
tucker's
grade
project
is
possibly
in
the
works,
so
they're
looking
at
building
another
fire
station
on
the
south
end
of
the
county.
C
Just
so,
we
have
more
ample
amounts
of
people
available
for
emergency
situations
and
our
and
our
staff
responds
even
if
it's
a
property,
that's
not
in
the
city
limits.
We
have
several
properties
that
are
within
our
city
borders,
but
they're
not
annexed
into
the
city,
such
as
some
of
the
mobile
home
parks.
We
had
a
fire
at
windmill
village.
A
couple
years
ago
we
were
the
first
on
scene
to
help
put
the
fire
out,
but
we
don't
have
a
pumper
truck
and
they
don't
have
fire
hydrants.
C
B
D
Chief
pam
davis,
pontegor
police
department,
because
we're
mobile
most
of
the
time
when
we
get
a
call,
usually
it's
a
major
emergency
that
we'll
get
co,
they'll
put
out
a
co
co
call
one
will
go
to
the
fire
department
want
to
go
to
us
and
because
we're
mobile
we
can
generally
get
their
fat
first
and
we
have
aeds
on
board.
We
have
what
we
call
a
red
bag
that
has
tourniquet
all
kinds
of
different
life-saving
supplies.
D
C
C
M
Yeah
I've
just
seen
this
before
and
they
have
the
drones
that
go
out,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
there
is
special
need
in
our
county.
Since
we
have
such
a
high
senior
base
that
the
drone
will
go
out
200
miles
an
hour
and
take
the
equipment.
That's
needed
touch
down
right
there
and
tell
the
person
what
to
do
with
that
stuff.
That
equipment.
C
F
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
we
have
seen
is-
and
you
know
it's
a
valid
concern.
You
always
see
a
lot
of
apparatus
and
what's
the
reason,
but
you
know
it's
not
a
new
question,
but
you
know
when
I
asked
that
question.
I'm
also
told
you
know
if
we
had
the
proper
amount
of
people
want
each
piece
of
apparatus
we
wouldn't
have
to
respond
with
so
many
pieces.
C
B
I
will
move
to
adopt
attend.
If
there's
no
other
discussion,
I
will
move
to
adopt
a
tentative
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2021,
slash
2022,
which
constitutes
appropriations
in
revenue
estimate
in
the
amount
of
161
million
and
fifty
nine
thousand
eight
hundred
and
ninety
nine
dollars
net
of
interfund
eliminations
in
an
amount
of
135
thousand
eight
hundred
and
fifty
three
dollar
853
172
dollars
and
set
the
final
budget
public
hearing
as
september
22
2021
at
501
pm
in
the
city
council
chambers.
C
C
B
C
Right,
so
your
motion
stands
and
your
second
stance.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
the
tentative
millage
rate.
Excuse
me
the
tentative
budget
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
for
fiscal
year,
2021
2022
and
establishing
the
second
reading
for
the
ordinance
of
the
resolution
on
september
22nd
2021
at
501
pm
in
council
chambers.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
hi
opposed
caution,
carries
unanimously.
C
F
Again,
one
more
thing
out
of
the
161
959
899
that
you
see
as
the
total
budget,
with
all
the
different
funds
or
all
the
different
operations
of
that
the
general
fund
that
drives
the
millage
rate
is
25
million
324.,
so
25
out
of
161
and
of
that
only
5.5
is
actual
operational
neighborhood
setting.
Okay.
C
Okay,
with
that,
we
are
adjourning
as
the
city
council
and
we
will,
as
the
punta
gorda
lot
mowing
assessment
district.
We
have
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
establishing
fiscal
year.
2021
2022
assessments
for
program
services
within
the
punta
gorda
lot
mowing
assessment
district,
finding
a
special
benefit
to
the
owners
of
lots,
assessed,
providing
for
collection
of
such
assessments
by
the
tax
collector
as
non-ad
valorem
assessments
and
providing
an
effective
date.
E
C
C
This
is
a
public
hearing.
If
anyone
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue,
please
come
to
the
podium
last
call.
Anyone
would
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue,
close
public
hearing,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
B
You
need
a
motion:
okay,
move
to
approve
the
resolution
that
sets
the
city
of
pinecone
lot
mowing:
assessment
district
user
fee
at
195
dollars
per
mowing
unit.
Second,
and.
C
Have
to
put
the
date
on
that.
This
is
the
only
hearing
for
that
one.
Okay,
we
have
a
second,
yes,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
ponte
gorda
lot
mowing:
assessment
district
piece
at
195
per
lot
mowing
unit
for
a
fiscal
year,
2021
2022
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
the
motion
carries
unanimously
and
we
are
adjourned
as
the
lot
mowing
district
and
we
are
convening
as
the
buckley's
past
dredging
assessment
area.
E
Chris
and
simeone
for
the
record
again
so
the
resolution
sets
the
special
assessment
at
285
dollars
and
eight
cents
per
water
access
unit
and
that's
for
the
third
of
the
three
year
assessment
for
those
parcels
that
did
not
elect
to
prepay
in
the
buckley's
pass
assessment
area
and
again
that's
a
decrease
from
the
prior
two
years
since
there
had
been
a
savings
on
the
project.
C
M
C
Okay,
if
there's
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue,
please
come
to
the
podium.
You
have
three
minutes
last
call
anyone
wishing
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue.
Please
come
to
the
podium
and
you
have
three
minutes
move
to
close
public
hearing.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously.
B
C
C
E
Kristen
simeone
again
for
the
record
finance
director.
This
resolution
adopts
the
community
redevelopment
agency,
also
known
as
the
cra
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2021,
slash,
2020,
20,
20,
22.,
sorry,
which
constitutes
appropriations
and
revenue
estimate
in
the
amount
of
five
million
nine
hundred.
Ninety
nine
thousand
seven
hundred
ninety
seven
dollars
net
of
ender
fund
of
eliminations
an
amount
of
four
million
nine
hundred
sixty
one
thousand
seven
hundred
thirty
two
dollars.
C
C
Anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue.
Last
call
anyone
wanting
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue.
Please
come
to
the
podium
move
to
close
public
hearing.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
B
Move
to
approve
the
resolution
adopting
the
cr,
a
community
redevelopment
agency,
cra
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2021,
slash
2022,
which
constitutes
appropriations
and
revenue
estimate
in
the
amount
of
five
million;
nine
hundred,
ninety
nine
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy
seven
seven
hundred
and
ninety
seven
dollars
net
of
inter-funded
eliminations,
an
amount
of
four
million
nine
hundred
and
sixty
one
thousand
seven
hundred
and
thirty
two
dollars
a
second.
C
E
Kristen
simeone
finance
director
for
the
record.
This
resolution
sets
the
bsi
canal
maintenance
assessment
district
fee
at
560
dollars
per
single
family
lot
or
zoned
multi-family,
with
single-family
residences
and
0.059
cents
per
square
foot
for
the
other
than
single
family
lots,
except
for
lots.
Zoned
multi-family,
with
single-family
residences.
C
C
C
C
E
So
kristen
simeone
again
for
the
record.
This
resolution
sets
the
pgi
canal
maintenance
assessment
district
fee
at
650
per
single
family
lot
or
zone
multi-family
with
single-family
residences
and
6.8
cents
per
square
foot
for
other
than
single-family
lots,
excluding
zone
for
multi-family
with
single-family
residences.
C
N
N
N
We
object
to
the
amount
of
canal
maintenance
fee.
We
are
assessed
and
further
contest
that
the
amount
of
the
assessment
for
our
lot
exceeds
the
value
of
the
special
benefit
to
our
lot,
since
our
lot
has
40
feet
of
seawall
and
we
are
assessed
the
same
fee
to
our
lot
as
other
lot
owners
with
up
to
200
to
250
feet
of
seawall,
who
receive
a
far
greater
benefit
for
seawall
repair.
N
N
N
N
N
With
the
same
total
seawall
footage,
the
owner
of
two
lots,
pays
double
the
assessment
fee
to
receive
the
same
fee.
Seawall
repair
benefit
as
the
owner
of
one
lot.
Who
pays
one
assessment
fee
if
the
canal
maintenance
fee
to
each
lot
was
determined
per
foot
front
foot
of
seawall?
On
that
lot,
the
assessment
feeder
lot
owners
would
accurately
reflect
the
col
repair
benefit
consistent
with
the
length
of
the
seawall
on
their
own
lot.
This
would
be
reasonable
and
equitable
for
all
your
constituents.
N
We
understand
the
necessity
of
the
canal
maintenance
program
and
would
happily
pay
an
assessment
fee
which
reflects
our
fair
portion
of
the
col
repair
benefit.
We
object
to
the
amount
we
are
assessed
because
it
is
not
proportional
to
the
benefits
received
among
properties
respectfully
submitted
karen
turnbull.
I
would
like
to
note
that
we
according
to
establish
florida
law,
we
do
receive
a
benefit.
N
C
B
C
B
Just
like
make
a
comment
sure
mrs
turnbull
was
a
part
of
the
volksko
case
that
was
settled
in
court.
Yes,
it's.
B
Move
to
approve
the
resolution
that
sets
the
puna
gordon
isles
canal
maintenance
assessment,
district
b
for
fiscal
year,
slash
2021-2022
at
650
per
single
family
lot
or
zone
multi-family
with
single-family
residences
and
.068
dollars
per
square
foot
for
others
than
single
family
loss,
excluding
zoned
for
multi-family
with
single-family
residences.
Second,.