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From YouTube: Regular City Council Meeting 3-3-2021
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Regular City Council Meeting 3-3-2021
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Good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
march
3rd
2021
punta
gorda
city
council
meeting,
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
city
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building.
If
you
would
please
stand
and
join
me
for
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
Excuse
me,
the
invocation,
followed
by
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
F
Shall
we
pray
heavenly
father
creator
of
heaven
and
earth
as
we
go
on
with
our
daily
lives?
I
pray
that
we
bring
you
with
us
and
let
us
not
forget
the
blessings
that
you
bring
to
us
each
day
to
live
in
a
country
where
we
have
freedom
of
religion,
freedom
to
come
and
go
as
we
please
father.
We
thank
you
for
the
men
and
women
of
our
military
that
serve
and
protect
our
freedoms.
F
G
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G
Next
from
john
jaczynski,
I
do
not
support
any
change
to
the
regulations
governing
signs
on
residential
properties.
Any
signs
that
I
ever
noticed
prior
to
2020
were
the
very
small
real
estate
sale
signs
on
front
lawns.
They
were
unobtrusive,
but
for
someone
in
the
market
for
a
home,
they
served
their
purpose.
Please
consider
the
change
in
character
of
our
community
that
the
proposed
ordinance
would
allow
for
from
yvonne
rutlinger.
G
City
council,
after
reviewing
the
presentation
for
the
new
sign
ordinance
that
is
on
the
agenda
for
the
march
3rd
2021
council
meeting,
I
thought
there
was
a
typo
of
allowing
four
signs
for
residential
property,
but
since
I've
learned
this
is
not
a
typo,
I
cannot
imagine
allowing
four
signs
for
residential
property.
Can
you
just
see
the
yards
in
an
election
year
with
four
signs
allowed
or
mutual
residential
streets
will
be
littered
with
signs?
It's
bad
enough
with
two
signs
allowed
also
a
new
time
limit.
This
means
that
residents
can
have
four
signs
up
forever.
G
This
does
not
make
sense.
I
understand
the
need
to
have
a
sign
ordinance,
but
please
change
the
proposed
ordinance
to
two
signs
per
property.
This
should
be
the
max
number
allowed
one
on
the
side
street
side
and
one
on
the
water
side.
Thank
you,
council,
members,
for
all
that
you
do
for
our
beautiful
city
from
team
punta
gorda
team
pontogordo
would
like
to
express
support
for
the
comments
and
concerns
raised
by
the
planning
commission
concerning
the
revised
sign
code.
G
G
G
Sign
code,
I
want
to
express
myself
on
an
agenda
item
that
concerns
me
deeply
and
a
few
of
my
neighbors.
It
seems
this
change
is
a
bit
politically
driven.
There's
no
problem
with
having
signs
hanging
from
earlobes
during
election
times,
but
to
allow
residential
signs,
as
the
code
change
is
proposed,
could
be
a
very
detrimental
change
to
pontegorda
without
serving
any
real
purpose.
G
This
came
secondhand,
so
it
doesn't
have
the
original
name,
one
from
cj
metcalf.
The
above
picture
frightens
me.
That
was
a
picture
of
the
in
the
presentation
of
the
residential
street
with
all
the
signs
on.
I
don't
want
to
go
too
deep
into
lady
bird
johnson,
but
I
get
what
she
was
after.
This
also
proposes
to
take
freedom
of
speech
a
bit
far.
I
don't
think
the
writers
of
the
constitution
were
talking
about
yard
signs.
G
The
proposed
sign
code
will
clutter
our
neighborhoods,
develop
the
opportunity
for
more
trash
in
the
streets,
making
driving
the
streets
a
hazard,
let
alone
the
distraction
of
drivers.
Maybe
f-dot
is
right.
After
all,
all
four
all
the
for
sale,
free
puppies
for
rent
free
furniture,
furniture
for
sale,
painter,
wanted
garage,
sale,
car
for
sale,
window
cleaning
and
on
and
on
oh
dear,
who
really
wants
this.
The
city
is
opening
the
door
and
to
think
this
started
out
being
a
content
neutral
issue.
Please
don't
allow
the
loud
mouth
minority
take
advantage
of
our
pristine
environment.
G
As
you
consider
the
revision
of
the
pg
sign
ordinance,
I
ask
that
you
consider
the
history
and
consistency
with
which
currently
exist
in
our
code.
I
ask
that
the
code
section
addressing
political
signs
be
strictly
enforced
as
it
currently
exists.
These
past
five
years
has
been
a
large
uptick
in
political
yard,
signs
political
candidate
flags
and
car
paraphernalia.
One
such
sign
remains
on
bayview
lane
months
after
the
conclusion
of
the
presidential
election
that
proudly
flies
illuminated
at
night
between
two
trees.
It
was
placed
higher
up
and
more
prominently
at
the
start
of
2021..
G
I
use
this
as
an
example
of
a
good
thing
going
bad
through
non-enforcement
of
the
existing
code,
given
that
real
estate
signs
are
of
limited
size,
larger
political
signs
and
flags
should
be
limited
to
45
days
preceding
an
election
and
five
days
thereafter.
This
is
the
current
code,
which
should
be
honored.
Cars
and
commercial
trucks
are
not
allowed
to
carry
advertising
while
parked
overnight
on
private
residential
property
political
signage,
long
past
the
election
should
not
either
we
are
one
punta
gorda.
G
G
I
am
sweet,
maggie
sweatgolf.
I
live
in
pgi,
I'm
concerned
about
the
huge
trump
flags
that
are
still
being
displayed.
As
of
the
republican
cpac
rally
last
week,
these
flags
are
now
new
ones
displayed
for
trump
2024..
I
know
you're
in
the
process
of
a
ruling
for
these
flags.
Please
keep
in
mind
that
some
of
these
folks
display
the
flags
on
their
trucks,
stating
that
the
flags
are
not
on
their
property,
although
the
truck
is
parked
on
their
property.
This
is
very
disturbing
to
me.
G
G
Cynthia
fisher
members
of
city
council,
I
respectfully
voice
my
opposition
to
the
totalitarian
decisions
being
made
by
the
city
council
to
require
businesses
to
enforce
unnecessary,
masking
and
social
distancing
requirements.
Florida
governor
ron
desantis
has
ordered
mass
mandates
and
enforceable
in
proposing
new
mandates
on
businesses.
You
are
simply
trying
to
subvert
the
governor's
executive
order
by
threatening
to
punish
business
and
business
owners,
their
employees
and
citizens
of
our
community
through
permit
restrictions.
G
G
This
type
of
business
tyranny
will
not
be
tolerated.
We
expect
you,
as
elected
officials,
to
uphold
the
constitution
in
regards
to
covet
the
numerous
the
numbers
across
florida
and
the
country
are
down,
deaths
are
down,
hospitalizations
are
down,
and
cases
are
down.
We
have
better
treatments
available
for
covet
positive
patients,
most
of
which
do
not
need
hospital
hospitalization.
G
The
evidence
clearly
does
not
warrant
the
excessive
measures.
You're
suggesting
be
forced
upon
businesses
and
the
community
at
large.
There's
no
scientific
evidence
allowing
that
healthy
people
should
be
forced
to
wear
mask
the
world
health
organization.
States
that
healthy
people
should
not
wear
mask
masks
may
be
beneficial
to
the
immunocompromised
and
the
ill.
We
can
foresee
a
future
where
many
americans
may
choose
to
continue
to
wear
a
mask,
and
this
is
their
right
in
a
nation
where
personal
freedom
should
be
the
guiding
principle
of
all
decisions.
G
The
rest
of
us
should
be
free
to
decide
for
ourselves
whether
we
wear
a
mask
or
not.
This
is
our
right.
Please
remember
you
work
for
the
citizens
of
punta
gorda
as
public
servants
and
at
our
pleasure
it
is
not
within
your
authority
to
create
unenforceable,
mandates
and
ordinances
designed
to
punish
local
businesses
and
or
your
constituent
constituents
in
liberty.
C
C
She
is
105
years
old
this
week,
so
this
is
a
proclamation
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida,
whereas
miss
marion,
cohen,
ugeretz
is
celebrating
her
105th
birthday
and
whereas
marion's
husband
ben
knew
from
the
first
time
he
met
her
while
on
roller
skates
that
he
was
going
to
marry
her
and
whereas
she
came
to
punta
gorda
in
the
1970s
and
became
a
founding
member
of
the
isle
shot
club
was
an
avid
championship,
tennis
player
and
is
a
renowned
baker
who
is
famous
for
her
stuffed
cabbage.
That's
why
you
like
her.
C
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
does
hereby
proclaim
march
3
2021
as
mary
and
cohen
ugarits
day
and
encourages
all
citizens
to
share
in
this
celebration
with
her
loving
family
and
friends.
Paston
duly
adopted
this
third
day
of
march
2021
signed
lin
matthews
mayor
and
accepting
is
our
former
vice
mayor
and
council
member
gary
wein.
D
Words
well,
unfortunately,
105
she
has
her
good
days
and
bad
days
and
was
unable
to
come
this
morning,
and
so
I
am
honored
and
pleased
to
be
able
to
accept
this
proclamation,
we'll
take
it
to
her
host
hastily.
As
I
leave,
I
just
want
to
add
a
couple
other
things
marian
is,
though
her
body
is
105
years
old,
her
mind's
not,
and
she
is
a
very
successful
stock
trader
even
to
this
day.
D
I
just
realized
that
she's
from
the
midwest
too,
and
she
and
she
has
a
very
similar
philosophy
as
warren
buffered.
So
I
had
this
imagination
that
she
was
one
of
warren
buffett's
mentors,
because
she
believes
in
value
and
dividends
the
same
way
that
warren's
philosophy
goes
she's
been
very.
It
only
says
that
she's,
the
queen
of
the
temple
she's
more
than
she
has
been
more
than
than
just
the
queen
of
the
temple
she's,
been
active
in
both
puente
gorda
and
charlotte
county
through
her
years.
D
C
G
Thank
you,
mayor
for
the
activity
in
the
community
redevelopment
agency.
Of
course
we
have
the
full
list
of
our
current
active
and
pending
projects
that
are
in
your
packet
and
we
discuss
those
in
various
forms
in
the
different
meetings
as
we
go
through
the
projects
when
we
come
to
our
municipal,
marina
activity,
we're
generally
stable
in
that
our
annual
rentals
semi-annual,
et
cetera,
comparing
months
of
february
21
to
20,
are
essentially
the
same.
G
We
see
a
little
more
activity
in
the
community
room.
There's
been
some
question
about
what
av
ability
we
have
in
the
community
room
for
people
to
use,
and
that
type
thing
so
we're
going
to
check
into
that
see
if
that
might
be
something
that
people
are
interested
in,
but
we
did
have
three
that
were
that
run
at
the
community
room
in
february,
as
opposed
to
zero
we've
had
in
the
past
several
months
or
used
the
community
room,
the
pump
out
vessel.
You
can
look
at
february
21
to
20
your
initial
packet.
G
G
The
deliverables
for
90
plans
and
opinion
of
estimated
cost
actually
came
in
last
friday.
So
we
have
those
in-house
and
we're
reviewing
those
now
and
looking
at
the
differential
and
any
cost
for
construction
of
the
parking
specifically,
as
you
requested
they'll
be
brought
back,
probably
next
meeting
just
for
information
so
that
we
can
get
the
go
ahead
and
discuss
moving
forward
on
that
project
veterans
park.
We've
had
a
lot
of
activity
there,
the
six
benches
four
right
off
the
grassy
area
directly
in
front
of
the
mural
and
then
others
throughout
the
park.
G
The
purple
heart
monument
obviously
has
been
installed.
The
picture
you
have
there.
It
looks
very
nice
and
the
first
bricks
that
will
go
in
are
the
purple
heart
bricks
that
will
be
in
front
of
that
monument,
so
that'll
be
forthcoming
fairly
quickly,
a
lot
of
work
going
on
there.
Of
course,
the
veterans
have
always
done
a
stellar
job
at
keeping
up
that
park
and
and
doing
a
lot.
We
have
the
new
mural
there
with
the
dedication
of
that
coming
up.
So
a
lot
of
things
going
on
in
veterans
park
the
lashley
park
playground.
G
We
had
the
full
splash
pad
option
that
was
chosen
on
the
february
3rd
cra
meeting.
60
plans
were
anticipated
later
this
month.
We
actually
have
those
in
the
door
now
so
we'll
be
reviewing
the
60
plans
so
that
we
can
continue
to
move
that
forward.
That'll
give
us
some
of
the
estimates
that
we're
looking
for
later
we'll
be
talking
about
the
financial
implication
of
some
of
the
other
things
in
cra,
meaning
the
wayfinding
signage,
which
is
on
the
next
slide
for
the
wayfinding
signage.
G
We
have
the
90
deliverables
for
that
right
now,
we're
meeting
with
the
engineer
of
record
prior
to
submitting
the
fdoc
permits
and
there's
been
some
question
about
some
of
the
banners
and
such
that
are
on
the
top
polls
and
that
can
be
addressed
looking
into
what
the
cost
savings
that
may
be
now
and
in
the
future.
If
some
of
these
things
were
modified
or
removed,
historic.
G
The
procurement
process
was
completed
and
we
were
hoping
to
get
three
or
four
bids.
At
least
we
got
eight.
So
that's
a
good
sign.
It
is
a
larger
project,
but
hopefully
that'll
make
people
sharpen
their
pencil
a
little
more
when
they
know
that
there's
a
lot
more
competition
out
there.
So
we're
reviewing
the
bids
right
now
for
sufficiency,
we'll
be
looking
at
qualifications
and
experience
and,
of
course,
bringing
that
back
to
council
for
some
formal
action
so
that
we
can
get
that
design.
G
Started
and
actually
move
towards,
hopefully
sometime
in
this
range
next
year,
being
under
construction
for
historic
city
hall,
getting
the
design
complete
quickly
and
efficiently
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
key
issues:
ac
freeman
house,
the
consultant.
Last
time
we
talked
was
taking
a
look
at
the
house.
We've
done
the
second
walk
through
on
february
19th
they're,
getting
together
quote
and
recommendations
to
be
submitted,
and
then
we
can
move
forward
on
having
that
structure
renovated
and
putting
it
back
in
operable
condition.
G
G
G
A
E
A
East
side
of
the
building
that
there
was
no
parking
and
and
the
people
that
were
attending
the
meeting-
and
there
were
only
10
of
us
at
the
meeting-
couldn't
find
a
parking
spot.
I
found
one
when
somebody
pulled
out
and
I
pulled
in,
but
it
was
really
tough.
So
it's
it's
possible
that
the
fact
that
that
place
is
so
popular
unless
you
have
a
meeting
we
actually
are
starting.
G
We
do,
of
course,
have
the
truck
and
trailer
parking
lot,
also
and
in
the
afternoon,
that's
available
for
regular
car
parking,
but
a
lot
of
people
don't
go
over
that
side
and
know
that
they
can
actually
park
there
and
it's
a
little
more
out
of
the
way
too.
So
it
doesn't
give
you
a
lot
of
good
options.
G
G
There's
a
sign
there
when
you
go
in
that
says
that
after
one
o'clock,
cars
are
allowed
to
park
in
that
lot.
But
people
see
the
big
long
spaces
for
truck
and
trailer,
and
they
don't
really
realize
that
that
parking
is
also
available,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
taking
their
boats
out
fishing
and
such
in
the
morning
and
by
afternoon
they're.
You
know
draining
them
and
leaving
so.
C
A
E
C
Yeah,
if
we
can
put
that
in
the
weekly,
that
would
be
helpful.
I
do
have
a
question.
We
talked
briefly
when,
when
I
met
with
city
manager
the
other
day
about
the
location
of
the
memorial
bricks-
and
I
I
guess
we
probably
need
to
talk
about
if
there's
consensus,
to
put
them
where
they're
being
suggested
to
be
placed
which
is
in
front
of
the
mural
in
that
walking
area
in
between
where
the
new
benches
are
and
the
mural
is
is.
Does
anyone
have
a
problem
with
that?
C
G
In
that
regard,
I
guess
the
comment
I
could
make
is
that
we
have
the
great
bricks
there
and
all
the
different
service
agencies
will
be
framed
in
the
gray
and
the
bricks.
Are
you
know
a
nice
color
that
when
you're
sitting
there
reflecting
off
the
benches
and
looking
over
the
memorial
bricks
up
to
that
beautiful
mural,
I
think
you
know
right
around
the
corners,
your
purple
heart
with
the
bricks
there.
I
think
the
the
whole
design
will
be
very
serene
and
very
beneficial
for
the
whole
veterans
park.
C
K
K
G
A
C
That
was
my
suggestion
to
the
city
manager
as
well.
I
said
you
know
we
have
the
logo
on
the
back
of
the
signs,
a
half
logo
and
it's
almost
redundant
that
we
have
that
other
thing
sticking
out
to
the
side
and
what
would
be
the
difference
in
the
cost
if
we
don't
have
to
fabricate
those
and
install
those,
because
I
don't
think
we
need
them.
G
I
Good
morning
for
the
record,
joan
lebeau
urban
design
director-
and
we
did
take
a
quick
look
to
get
an
estimated
amount,
the
cost
would
only
be
reduced
by
about
three
thousand
to
six
thousand
dollars.
You
have
to
pay
for
the
the
little
metal
piece
that
comes
out
as
well
as
the
fasteners
and
hinges
that
need
to
go
on
it,
and
a
rough
estimate
was
about
three
to
six
thousand.
E
J
I
L
B
E
H
M
For
the
record
mitchell
austin
principal
planner
urban
design,
the
the
package,
the
permit
package
for
the
wayfinding
system
has
been
submitted
to
to
the
florida
department
of
transportation
as
of
the
end
of
business
last
week.
So
any
revisions
will
need
to
go
back
through
the
process,
so
there
may
be
some
delay
there.
I
don't
know
how
long
the
permit
process
is
going
to
last
there's
no
there's
no
definitive
timeline
for
fdot's
review.
B
L
A
B
A
M
M
G
E
C
J
E
A
E
H
C
J
A
O
Yes,
this
is
a
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
amending
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
firefighters,
retirement
system,
as
adopted
by
ordinance
879-87
and
is
subsequently
amended,
is
hereby
further
amended
to
provide
for
compliance
with
the
secure
act,
repealing
all
ordinances
and
conflict
herewith,
providing
for
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
E
C
C
C
C
C
J
C
C
N
Good
morning,
julie,
rogan
city
procurement,
for
the
record,
I'm
here
to
present
the
award
for
agreement
award
to
charles
perry,
partners
of
gainesville
florida
for
job
order.
Contracting
services
at
the
early
2020
procurement
received
a
request
to
solicit
services
for
various
ada
and
security
upgrades
to
city-owned
facilities.
N
This
project
includes
sensitive
information
with
respect
to
security.
That
per
state
statute
is
exempt
from
public
records.
Procurement
then
worked
with
urban
design
to
look
into
solicitation
options
and
the
possibility
of
utilizing
excuse
me
job
order
contracting
through
source
walls,
formerly
njpa,
easy
iqc
system
in
order
to
maintain
security
of
the
documents
and
to
mitigate
the
number
of
parties
that
have
access
to
the
plans
for
the
project.
N
Job
order
contracting
is
a
procurement
method
that
allows
owners
to
complete
projects
through
a
single
contractor
by
having
access
to
a
library
of
contractors
who
have
previously
bid
an
adjustment
factor
to
a
fixed,
firm,
indefinite
quantity
construction
task,
catalog
in
april
2020
being
satisfied
that
the
process
complied
with
the
city's
procurement
policy,
the
city
initiated
an
easy
iqc
job
order
for
specific
authorization.
Number
one
b2020
104
under
master
piggyback
g202107
con
source
world
jlc.
N
The
project
timeline
is
277
calendar
days
after
issuance
of
a
notice
to
proceed
and
staff
is
recommending
award
of
the
agreement
to
charles
perry
partners.
Inc
of
gainesville
florida
for
a
specific
authorization
number
one
b202104,
ada
security
announcements
and
upgrades
with
appropriation
of
the
remaining
funds
to
complete
the
project.
J
G
The
systems
that
will
be
used
will
integrate
with
any
systems
that
are
put
in
city
hall,
just
like
we
have
a
system
at
the
public
safety
building
right
now
that
will
integrate
with
this
system
for
card
access.
Those
type
things
so
it'll
all
be
consistent,
but
we're
not
spending
money
on
city
hall
to
then
tear
it
down
and
rebuild.
So
this
is
all
the
different
facilities,
and
actually
thank
you
to
julie
in
urban
design.
For
the
history
of
this,
it
really
started
with
a
resolution
for
security
back
in
2017.
E
G
K
No,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
up
sorry.
Thank
you,
my
glasses,
the
that
this
agenda
item
also
includes
the
appropriations
for
the
various
funds,
so
we
did
break
it
up
because
again,
it's
a
city-wide
project,
so
the
divisions
that
are
at
the
public
works
campus
are
also
included,
as
well
as
the
building
fund
utilities,
canal
maintenance.
K
K
That's
a
separate
account.
It
is
our
you
guys
already
did
appropriate
those
funds.
So
on
the
sheet
that
looked
like
this,
that
was
included
with
the
packet.
That
was
the
second
line
and
that's
already
appropriated,
and
I
can
go
over
each
one
that
needed
an
appropriation
if
you
needed.
Okay,
that's
fine.
A
Nancy,
I
think,
took
to
piggyback
on
what
kristen
was
talking
about
a
resident
asked
me.
Why
would
we
be
charging
the
canal
maintenance
for
this,
and
I
said
because-
and
you
alluded
to
this-
their
offices
are
all
over
at
the
public
works
campus
and
so
it
and
they
are
a
a
special
fund
of
the
city.
Similarly,
the
sanitation
fund
and
the
building
fund
are
enterprise
funds,
but
those
their
offices
are
in
these
buildings,
and
so
it's
every
everyone
who
is
affected.
All
the
the
different
departments
are
contributing
to
this.
A
C
E
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
agreement
to
charles
perry
partners
and
appropriate
the
funds
for
the
ada
security
enhancements
and
upgrades
any
further
discussion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Finally,
thank
you
for
that.
E
P
We're
ready
so,
as
we
know
that
the
purpose
to
redo
our
sign
code
is
to
prove,
provide
a
content,
neutral,
non-discriminator,
discriminatory
sign
code
that
provides
consistency
and
promotes
public
health,
safety
and
welfare.
Again,
our
sign
code
draft.
We
want
to
simplify
it,
defining
the
sign
types
set,
sign
sizes
and
permissible
sign
locations,
update
for
equal
enforcement
and
clarity
of
the
regulations,
examples
of
the
primary
sign
types
for
residential
areas.
P
P
O
P
P
P
The
event
center
was
given
a
variance
that
went
through
a
variance
process,
a
long
variance
process,
and
there
are
certain
conditions
that
apply
to
that.
It
can
change
as
it
goes
it
has
to.
I
don't
have
the
variance
in
front
of
me,
but
there
are
certain
criteria
that
they
have
to
meet
and
and
as
I
as
far
as
I
know,
they've
never
been
in
violation
of
the
variance,
but
it
did
go
through
a
variance
process.
P
If
the
building
is
over
35
feet
in
height,
you
are
allowed
an
additional
set,
everything
can
be
seven
feet
in
height
and
on
the
second
street
frontage
you
can
get
an
additional
50
percent
of
the
sign
area
which
is
permitted
on
the
face
of
the
building
flags.
No
permit
is
required
again.
We
don't
regulate
content.
P
We
were
regulating
the
size
by
40
foot,
maximum
pole
height,
two
poles
per
parcel
two
flags
per
pole,
or
you
could
have
the
nautical
style
with
the
one
gaff
yard
arm
pole
per
parcel
and
four
flags
maximum.
But
there's
no
limit
on
like
the
international
code
of
signal
flags
on
the
gaf
or
the
yard
arm
flagpoles.
B
E
P
We
can
regulate
that
no
content
so
for
freestanding
signs
in
the
commercial
district
sign
restrictions,
our
size,
restrictions,
32
square
feet,
maximum
area
six
feet
in
height
five
signs
per
acre
is
what
was
proposed.
Minimum
10
feet
from
edge
of
the
pavement,
they're,
typically
non-permanent
supported
by
post.
P
P
P
P
A
H
P
C
P
So
ground
signs
are
permanent
signs
for
the
business
in
the
city
center.
There's
a
maximum
six
or
five
feet
in
height,
16
square
feet,
maximum
area,
all
other
zoning
districts,
64
square
feet,
maximum
area
15
feet
in
height,
and
it's
one
sign
per
parcel.
Unless
there's
150
feet
of
frontage
on
two
or
more
streets,
and
you
keep
300
feet
between
signs
mini
ground
side,
we
used
to
call
them
incidental
signs,
but
we
call
them
little
mini
ground
signs.
P
They're,
like
your
entrance
exit
signs,
they're
just
to
be
many
in
size
and
and
limited
in
height
and
maximum
sign
area,
no
more
than
two
signs
per
entrance
and
they're,
not
in
the
right
of
way
they
are
within.
You
know:
10
feet
of
the
entrance
to
the
parcel,
projecting
signs,
10
square
feet.
Maximum
area
placement
is
limited
to
city
center.
Neighborhood
center
has
to
have
eight
feet
of
vertical
clearance
from
the
sidewalk
or
from
the
walkways
and
limited
to
one
per
business
per
street
frontage.
P
Suspended
signs
nine
square
feet,
maximum
area
eight
feet,
vertical
clearance
mounted
under
an
awning,
canopy
or
marquee,
and
one
per
business
entrance
like
the
projecting
and
the
suspended
signs.
There's
no
there's
been
no
changes
in
the
proposed
code.
These
are
just
what
is
already
permitted
wall
signs
in
the
city
center.
P
It's
going
to
be
a
a
portion
of
the
facade
sign
allocation
and,
in
all
other
zoning
districts,
you're
allowed
one
square
foot
of
signage
for
every
linear
foot
of
building
frontage
for
that
tenant
space
and
it
is
on
a
building
wall,
not
on
a
roof.
It
can
extend
above
the
roof
line,
window
signs,
window,
graphics,
city
center,
33
of
the
window,
a
maximum
of
12
square
feet
all
other
districts.
P
It's
limited
to
33
of
the
window
and
the
placement
is
first
and
second
floor
windows
only
and
we
did
make
a
change
in
there
about
having
no
solid
window
coverings.
It
can't
be
opaque.
It
has
to
be
like
the
individual
letters
or
graphics,
not
like
a
solid
or
even
no
perforated,
where
you
can
see
out,
but
you
can't
see
in
that
has
been
updated,
iconic
science,
we
used
to
call
them
creative
signs.
P
P
They
will
have
to
meet
specific
design
criteria,
limited
sign
types,
it's
going
to
be
limited
to
the
cra
area
only
because
there
are
smaller
lots,
smaller
setbacks,
it's
infill
and
redevelopment
more
historic
in
character.
Specific
sign
types
can
be
projecting
ground
and
mural
material.
There
will
be
specific
material
requirements,
permitted
materials
list
and
for
murals
require
mural
paint
and
sealant.
There
will
be
prohibited
materials
list
of
what
cannot
be
used
for
an
iconic
sign.
Architectural
criteria
will
be
based
on
the
building
and
historic
precedence.
P
P
So
items
for
consideration,
temporary
signage,
meaning
putting
time
limits
on
like
freestanding
and
yard
signs,
the
sign
sizes
and
right
now,
interchange,
commercial
sign
standards
were
included
when
we
did
the
interchange,
commercial
overlay
right
now.
That
would
be
up
to
us.
If
we
wanted
to
amend
that
section
or
not
right
now,
I
think
it's
in
pretty
good
shape
for
what
it
is.
J
Well,
I
just
I
just
couldn't
believe
how
upset
people
are.
I
mean
they
think
the
city's
just
not
functioning.
Now,
all
of
a
sudden,
you
know-
and
I
think
we're
all
still
doing
quite
well.
My
advisory
panel
would
like
to
see
the
signs
not
only
reduced
in
number
but
permitted,
and
they
think
we
should
charge
a
hundred
dollars
a
sign.
That's
how
much
they
don't
want
all
these
signs
in
people's
yards.
J
Now,
obviously,
I
said
you
know:
that's
never
going
to
fly,
but
I
wanted
you
to
know
that
that's
I
mean
the
people
of
ponegorda
are
really
upset
about
this
and
the
picture
of
city
marketplace
with
the
16
signs
when
they
could
have
had
19
really
said
it
all.
I
mean,
and
that
is
not
what
we
want
our
city
to
look
like.
O
O
People,
the
public
doesn't
necessarily
understand
because
certainly
more
than
likely
haven't
read
the
most
recent
u.s
supreme
court
case.
Clearly
on
this
topic
that
we
have
justices
sitting
in
washington
dc
that
tell
us
what
we
can
and
cannot
do
in
relation
to
specifically
with
respect
to
signs
and
still
be
consistent
with
the
requirements
of
the
constitution.
O
I
think,
as
I
explained
previously,
the
u.s
u.s
supreme
court
has
said
that
if
you
allow
too
few
numbers
of
signs,
then
you're
unreasonably
restricting
the
expression
of
speech,
not
only
from
the
standpoint
of
the
person
who
owns
the
property
and
is
speaking
but
from
the
standpoint
of
the
people
that
drive
by
and
are
listening
so
clearly,
there
may
be
too
many
signs
that
that
would
be
a
problem
and
can
be
limited
and
by
the
same
token,
there
are
too
few
signs.
That
would
be
a
problem.
O
I
think
four,
when
I
said
the
sweet
spot,
is
I've
looked
at
ordinances
from
all
over
the
country
and
looked
at
the
recommendations
of
organizations
that
are
trying
to
assist
local
governments
just
like
ours
as
to
how
to
prepare
an
ordinance
that
meets
the
dictates
of
the
uf
supreme
court's
decision
in
reid
versus
town
of
gilbert,
which
was
a
2015
decision,
and
so
some
of
these
numbers
and
sizes
that
that
we're
putting
in
our
ordinance
are
not
com,
something
that
we've
just
grasped
out
of
the
air.
It's
more
or
less.
O
E
I
E
O
That
we
are
required
to
do
based
on
the
u.s
supreme
court's
decisions.
There
are
some-
and
I
ran
into
this
when
I
was
previous
city
attorney
for
the
city
of
northpoint
many
years
ago.
That
believed
that,
and
these
were
elected
officials
that
believed
that
u.s
supreme
court
decisions
were
merely
advisory.
O
O
O
Perhaps
I
can
address
those
now
before
we
get
further
into
the
discussion,
but
in
the
in
the
staffs
report
there.
The
questions
that
were
posed
by
the
commission
on
the
january
25th
meeting
are
listed
and
the
first
one
is
what
are
other
municipalities
doing
to
change
their
siding
costs?
I
assure
you
that
municipalities,
counties
and
cities,
towns
all
over
the
country
are
changing
their
sign
codes,
some
faster
than
others,
some
willing
to
take
whatever
risk
they
think
they're
willing
to
take
and.
O
That
they'll,
that
they
won't
get
sued
my
job
as
city
attorney,
is
to
try
to
minimize
the
liability
of
the
city
and,
in
some
cases
the
liability
of
you
as
individual
elected
representatives
that
may
come.
Should
a
challenge
be
raised
concerning
the
constitutionality
of
our
sign
code,
so
those
that
haven't
changed
yet
are
simply
taking
the
risk
of
writing
a
foul
of
the
us
constitution.
O
I
think
in
the
late
90s.
The
next
question
is
freedom
of
speech.
How
will
obscenity
profanity
defamation
be
regulated
and
that's
a
good
question
and
the
us
supreme
court
has
said
that,
while
freedom
of
speech
has
its
limits,
it
does.
It
does
not
embrace
certain
categories
of
speech,
including
defamation
incitement.
O
Where
have
I
heard
that
word
before
and
and
obscenity
the
our
code
can
regulate
obscenity,
but
the
the
issue
is
with
respect
to
what
is
obscenity
and
from
what
I
understand
most
of
the
signs
or
flags
that
we've
heard
objections
to
recently
would
not
be
considered
obscenity
under
the
constitution.
Under
the
u.s
supreme
court's
definition
of
obscenity,
it
would
be
considered
profanity
and
unfortunately,
profanity
is
not
protected
is
is
assuming
is
protected
speech.
O
Is
is
whether
or
not
the
material
is
such
which
deals
with
sex
in
a
matter
appealing
to
purity
period
interest
now
trying
to
be
as
diplomatic
as
I
can.
The
definition
of
pre-orient
interest
is
whether
or
not
the
material
would
cause
sexual
arousal
and,
and
it's
whether
or
not
that
would
be
the
result
to
an
average
person
applying
contemporary
community
standards.
O
O
I
can
conceive
of
enough
of
a
time
when
somebody
could
put
up
some
material
that
would
arise
to
the
level
of
obscenity,
as
defined
by
the
u.s
constitution,
a
u.s
supreme
court,
and
perhaps
we
should
have
a
provision
in
our
code
that
does
prohibit
obscene
material,
the
problem
and
we
would
have
to
define
obscene
obscenity
as
the
us
supreme
court
has
done
and
as
as
I've
just
stated,
and
there's
no
problem
to
do
that.
We
can
do
that.
O
But,
as
I
said,
most
people
don't
consider
most
people
consider
what
you
and
I
and
the
definition
of
for
profanity
would
be
as
what
they're
objecting
to
so
we
can't
prohibit
profanity.
We
can
prohibit
obscenity
and
we'll
def.
We
can
definitely
include
that
in
our
code.
Should
that
be
your
direction,
but
with
respect
to
defamation,
yes,
we
can
also,
we
can
also
modify
and
put
in
a
definition
of
defamation
in
our
in
our
ordinance.
O
O
So
I
can
address
the
question
that
was
raised
by
the
city
by
the
grounding
commission,
as
it
relates
to
defamation
and
obscenity.
If
you
wish-
and
we
can,
we
can
add
a
definition
and
add
those
to
the
prohibited
signs
there
was.
It
says
next
was
concern
that
people
holding
signs
and
signed
twirlers
are
permitted
in
this
draft.
O
O
O
The
next
day
we'd
like
to
see
pictures
of
what
the
code
would
allow.
I
think
I
think
you
had
that
this
morning
and
then
the
question
was:
would
they
would
like
to
see
other
u.s
supreme
court
rulings
regarding
content
of
science?
Well,
there
has
been
no
u.s
supreme
court
decision
since
the
2015
reid
versus
town
of
gilbert,
so
if
they
think
that
there's
another
decision
out
there
that
might
lessen
our
obligation,
that
is
the
law
of
the
land
that
we
are
required
to
follow.
You
know.
E
O
I
was
a
first
year
law.
School
student,
constitutional
law
was
a
required
course.
I'm
sure
it
still
is
at
most
law
schools.
Little
did.
I
know,
then,
that
I
would
be
sitting
in
front
of
elected
officials
explaining
what
the
contours
of
the
u.s
constitution
are
with
respect
to
freedom
of
speech,
but
that's
kind
of
what
makes
this
job
a
very
exciting
job.
O
There
are
very
few
attorneys
around
the
state
that
have
the
opportunity
for
me
to
educate,
not
educate,
you're
well
educated,
but
inform
you
as
well
as
the
public
as
to
what
the
current
parameters
are,
that
we
have
to
abide
by.
Yes,
it's
true
to
a
large
extent,
the
the
decisions
of
the
us
supreme
court
are
there
to
protect
the
minority
versus
you
know
over
the
wishes
of
the
majority,
but
that's
kind
of
what
the
constitution
is
all
about.
O
There
are
some
things
we
can
do
to
tweak
the
draft.
That's
in
front
of
you,
it's
not
going
to
make
everybody
happy,
because
we
are
going
to
be
changing
the
status
quo,
but
our
status
quo
is
required
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
the
u.s
supreme
court's
findings,
as
it
relates
to
sign
codes
like
ours.
Thank
you.
C
I
would
like
for
you
to
please
attend
the
planning
commission
meeting
when
they
have
this
hearing,
because
I
was
very
upset
and
disappointed
at
the
last
meeting
when
they
reviewed
the
sign
code
survey
numbers.
I
watched
the
entire
thing
and
I
was
extremely
disappointed
that
city
council
got
thrown
under
the
bus
on
this
whole
issue.
We
have
nothing
to
do
with
what
has
been
decided
by
the
supreme
court
and
we
have
done
our
very
best
to
to
vet
all
the
things
we've
been
that
have
been
shared
with
with
city
staff.
C
Nothing
in
the
sign
code
is
self-serving.
We
tried
to
accommodate
as
many
people
as
we
could
accommodate,
while
not
alienating
as
many
people
as
we
don't
need
to
alienate
right
now
and
in
the
political
climate
that
we
live
in.
I
think
we
have
to
be
fair
with
everybody
and
we
have
to
give
everybody
the
right
to
freedom
of
speech.
That's
really
where
we
came
up
with
these
numbers
for
the
signs
for
residential
properties
and
specifics.
C
I
absolutely
think
four
signs
and
four
flags
is
outrageous.
I
think
we
weren't
talking
about
that
in
the
beginning.
I
know
we
said
flags
were
separate,
but
when
you
start
we've
already
got
somebody,
that's
got
a
flag
up
for
the
2024
election,
I
mean
that's
already
been
called
out
and
we
already
have
signs
in
personal
front
yards
of
people
who
have
20
24
signs.
Now
I
do
want
to
specify
that
I
would
like
to
see
something
added
in
this
ordinance
about
the
condition
of
those
signs
and
and
flags.
C
We
have
it
for
the
flags,
but
we
don't.
I
don't
see
anything
in
there
about
the
condition
of
the
signs
in
the
yards
and
I
think
we
absolutely
need
to
monitor
that
because
there
right
now
are
some
failed.
Loser
signs
on
bell
harbor
that
are
in
very
bad
condition.
The
corners
are
peeling
and
torn,
and
you
know
curled
over.
I
think
we
should
do
something
about
that.
C
When
you
talk,
when
you
look
at
what
happened
in
the
last
election
cycle,
we
had
a
presidential
campaign,
we
had
federal
senators,
we
had
federal
congressmen,
we
had
state
senators,
we
had
state
congressmen,
we
had
all
kinds
of
county
seats,
we
had
all
kinds
of
issues
that
were
ballot
amendments.
We
had
the
one
percent
sales
tax
and
we
had
three
city
council
election
campaigns
that
potentially
could
have
all
had
signs.
C
We
were
trying
to
be
fair
and
allow
people
the
freedom
of
speech
in
their
own
front
yard
as
to
what
they
could
allow
signs
to
to
to
say
about
what
they
believe
in
and-
and
I
don't
think
four
is
unreasonable
when
you
look
at
that,
especially
if
you
have
a
house,
that's
for
sale
or
you're
going
to
have
a
garage,
sale
or
anything
else
at
the
same
time.
So
you
know
that
that
was
how
that
number
came
about
and
for
for
the
for
the
planning
commission
to
suggest
otherwise
is
absolutely
not
true.
C
We
would
we
that
was
nowhere
near
what
happened
when
we
had
our
last
discussion
about
this
sign
code.
So
I
again,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
put
something
in
there
about
the
condition
of
the
signs.
I
think
that's
really
that'll
be
critical
and
I
do
want
to
take
another
look
at
signs
and
flags
in
a
yard
and
I
think
we
need
if
we
can
control
the
number
of
that,
it's
going
to
be
a
happy
medium.
O
A
A
You
were
taking
pot
shots
at
us
and
it's
like-
and
I
just
thought
you
know
it
just.
It
was
like
a
feeding
frenzy
and
I
was
really
offended
myself
and
I
thought
we
were
making
these
on
decisions.
Yes,
the
the
residents
had
a
survey
and
they
could
say
whatever
they
wanted
in
the
survey,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
residents
were
making
an
educated
decision.
They
were
providing
input,
but
we
have
a
whole
lot
of
other
factors
we
have
to
consider
so.
O
A
A
C
G
C
A
You
know
like
after
pest
applicators
have
done
something
to
a
law
and
they
have
to
put
a
sign
in
it
because
I
actually
had
somebody
complain
to
me
about
some
pest
control
sign
that
was
in
someone's
yard
people.
Don't
understand,
that's
required
by
law
to,
and
so
there
may
be
some
others
that
just
help
clarify
it
might
not
be.
You
know,
are.
A
A
A
E
G
A
A
A
The
subject
was
brought
up
about
somebody
who
has
a
a
mural,
that's
painted
on
the
lanai
of
their
home
and
it's
visible
from
the
canal.
Is
that
considered?
You
know
or
people
that
have
like
around
the
pool
and
they
have
little
cute
signs
around
the
pool.
That
said,
you
know
whatever
it
is
it's
just,
but
it's
signage,
that's
visible
from
some
place,
but
it's
not
intended
to
be
yard
signs
or
anything.
It's
in
your
house.
It's.
C
A
E
O
E
O
But
not
limited
to
and
we
struck
murals
says
out,
so
it
would
read
outdoor
art,
including,
but
not
limited,
to,
statue,
statuary
and
fountains
outdoor
murals
on
structures
shall
be
regulated
as
iconic
signs.
Pursuant
to
section
11.15
of
this
article.
Now,
with
respect
to
your
question
regarding
the
paintings
and
stuff
that
people
have
on
their
lanai,
you
know
if
it's
not
if
it's
not
visible
from.
O
O
H
O
E
O
H
O
P
O
C
C
C
If
I
have,
let
me
just
throw,
let
me
just
hypothetical
if
I
have
three
campaign
signs
in
my
front
yard
and
I
have
a
double
door,
so
I
have
two
wreaths
on
my
doors
that
both
say
welcome.
I'm
I'm
illegally
in
breach
of
the
sign
rule.
That's
what
you're
saying
that's
what
I'm
saying!
That's
ridiculous!
I.
P
Mr
levin,
why
can
we
not
have
like
the
I'm
just
asking
the
question
if
it's
a
wreath
it
be
considered
part
of
a
decoration
for
a
holiday,
because
we
have
specific
holiday
decorations
which
are
permitted
they
need
to
be,
they
can
be
put
up
within
a
certain
time
period
taken
down
within
a
certain
time
period.
Can
we
put
in
a
provision
that
holiday
decorations,
regardless
of
what
message
is
on
there,
are
exempt.
C
O
O
I
also
suggest
to
you
that
you
will
come
up
with
a
situation
where
someone
is
going
to
put
something
up
there.
That's
going
to
be
the
fifth
sign
and
they're
gonna
claim
it's
outdoor
art
and
it
doesn't
take
a
whole
lot
of
imagination
to
figure
out
how
they
can
do
that.
But,
as
you
say,
we
have
to
draw
the
line
somewhere
and
I'm
comfortable
with
considering
the
examples
that
you
gave.
You
know
the
welcome
wreath
and
whatever
as
out
as
part,
which
is
not,
which
is
not
regulated
by.
C
O
A
A
A
Until
page
12.
does
anybody
have
anything?
I
have
nothing
at
all.
Well,
I
the
reason
why
I
was
on
page
12.
I
was
talking
to
a
commercial
realtor,
and
so
this
area
happens
to
be
under
measurement
of
signs,
freestanding,
sign,
base
area,
and
it
says
if
the
two
faces
this
is
on
on,
for
you
david,
it's
section
11.6
under
b
multi-faced
signs,
so
it
would
be
it's
on
my
page
12..
What
line.
A
Q
I
will
do
that.
Yes,
ma'am
I'm
sharon
nyhoofer.
I
am
president-elect
of
the
pentagord
report,
charlotte
northport
de
soto,
realtors
inc,
long
name
right,
depending
on
the
location
of
the
property
that
you're
selling
those
signs
could
be
very
useful.
You
know
the
traffic
flow
you
want
to
hit
traffic
in
every
direction
and
they're
probably
not
used
as
much
as
you
would
think,
but
they
are
used
and
they
are
very
helpful
to
use
in
real
estate.
A
O
You
want
to
change
if
you
want
to
change
the
permissible
number
of
faces
from
two
to
three,
but
you
know
two
is
the
suggested
you
get
the
whatever
the
square
footage
of
the
one
sign.
Is
you
get
to
have
basically
two
signs
for
the
price
of
one,
but
if
you're
going
to
have
more
than
two,
then
you
would
have
to
add
the
the
signage
up
to
compute
the
area.
A
N
A
G
A
A
We'll
just
continue
on
then,
so
I
didn't
have
anything
until
page
15
under
science,
residential
properties,
section
10.,
11.10,
item
d
flags
and
this
number
of
two
flagpoles
per
property,
and
I
had
a
residence
that
actually
expressed
who
live
on
canals
that
would
like
to
put,
and
they
still
old
glory
in
the
front
of
their
house
and
the
back
of
their
house.
So
they're
really
in
support
of
the
two
flagpoles.
F
O
E
E
A
E
A
Five
sign
shall
be
limited
to
former
parcel,
and
I've
had
many
many
say
two
me
too,
as
much
as
we
might
want
to
allow
people,
and
then
the
suggestion
was.
If
we
were
going
to
then
want
to
allow
people
to
have
more
that
we
should,
they
would
have
to
have
a
permit
to
have
another
one,
and
it
was
even
suggested
they
should
pay
a
hundred
dollars
for
that
permit
to
have
a
third
or
fourth
sign.
O
A
A
Okay,
sign
shall
be
limited
to
four
per
parcel.
Yes
and
I've
had
so
much
residential
feedback.
That
said
two,
and
that
includes
front
and
back
and
and
it
was
even
suggested
that
if
they
wanted,
if
we,
if
we
needed
to
go
with
more
that,
they
should
have
to
get
a
permit
for
those
and
they
should
pay
for
the
permit
and
and
they
should
be
limited
to
90
days.
C
Well,
limiting
it
to
two:
if
you
have
a
house
for
sale
and
it's
got
a
waterfront
backyard,
you
have
two
signs,
you
can't
do
anything
else
and
if
you
want
to
sell
your
house
you're
going
to
have
your
two
real
estate
signs
and
nothing
else-
that's
not!
Okay,
that
that
really
is.
That
is
prohibiting
freedom
of
speech.
In
my
opinion,
that's
why
I
think
four
is
the
magic
number
and
that
I
think
the
four
should
include
flags.
I
think
going
back
to
that
again.
I
think
the
four
should
include
the
flags.
G
C
O
J
One
of
my
constituents
said
that
an
answer
to
mayor
matthews
comment
about
too,
and
then
you
need.
Something
else.
Is
that
if
your
house
is
for
sale,
you
probably
aren't
going
to
want
to
clutter
up
your
front
yard
with
other
signs.
Anyway,
you
want
the
real
estate
sign
to
be
the
major
focus,
and
they
they
just
didn't
see
that
that
was
an
issue.
They
would
much
rather
keep
our
community
pristine
than
worry
about
people
being
able
to
express
their
views
politically.
A
Nonpartisan
or
non
whatever
you
know,
you're
taking
pictures
the
family
pictures
out,
you're
taking,
I
mean
you're
really
trying
to
sanitize
the
house
to
make
it,
as
is
not
non-expressing
an
opinion,
because
you
don't
know
who's
looking
at
the
house,
so
it's
really
real
estate
agents
would
would
advise.
I
would
have
imagined.
Would
please
remove
the
sign,
the
political
signs
from
your
yard,
because
you
might
have
some
people
looking
at
the
house
that
really
want
to
buy
it
and.
G
C
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
first
of
all,
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
properties
that
have
this
problem.
We
don't
right
now
have
the
problem,
even
though
we're
not
enforcing
the
sign
code,
there's
only
a
handful
of
properties
that
have
abused
the
fact
that
we
haven't
been
enforcing
the
sign
code,
so
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
this
mass
influx
of
people
trying
to
violate
the
city
code.
I
just
don't.
I
think
we
may
have
20
25.
If
that's
a
lot,
then
that's
a
lot
but
john.
B
O
Two
might
be
okay.
I
I'm
not
here
to
tell
you
that
two,
it
wouldn't
work
and
I'm
I'm
guessing.
Some
people
would
want
to
trade
off
the
number
of
flags
that
they
might
be
able
to
fly.
They
have
no
interest
in
putting
out
the
flags
versus
a
number
of
signs,
so
you
know
I.
I
think
that
if
we
struck
a
balance
and
said
you
can
have
four
signs,
two
of
which
could
be
flags
so
that
you
have
a
total
of
two
signs,
two
flags
or
three
signs
and
one
flag.
O
C
A
A
We
don't
allow
10
foot
a
10
foot
wide
dock,
okay,
I'm
taking
I'm
and
I'm
I'm
changing
the
topic
to
a
different
one.
Just
for
the
point,
our
deed
restriction
says,
docks
must
be
eight
feet,
but
when
they
build
the
docks
now
city
code
says
that
it
can
be
ten
feet,
so
docks
have
been
being
built
that
are
10
feet
and
they're
going.
Oh,
what
do
we
do
about
that?
A
Q
Okay
with
the
four
signs,
if
that
includes
I'm
sorry,
your
name
for
the
record
nighthoofer
northport
de
soto,
association
of
realtors,
the,
if
you
the
four
signs
on
residential
lot,
if
you've
got
the
two
one
waterfront
one
in
the
front
and
the
person
has
a
you-
know
their
flag
in
the
front
the
flag
in
the
back,
you
know
the
spring
flag
or
whatever.
That
would
be
their
four
signs.
Q
The
nasty
word
that
I'm
going
to
say
is
the
open
house
sign.
You
know
where
is
it
coming
in
and
I
know
I'm
sorry.
I've
opened
a
whole
new
can
of
worms
that
nobody
wants
to
talk
about,
but
we
would
really
request
that
the
open
house
somehow
or
real
estate
science
be
put
into
a
separate
category,
because
if
you
inadvertently
put
an
open
house
sign
in
that
yard,
when
they've
got
the
two
signs
and
the
two
flags
they're
in.
Q
C
C
E
Q
A
A
Q
B
O
A
C
P
We
don't
we
do
not
lisa
han
and
zoning
official,
we
do
not
define
the
size
of
flags,
but
we
define
the
size
of
the
pole
for
flags
which
then
will
regulate
the
size,
the
flag
that
the
pole
can
handle.
So
we
do
not
regulate
the
size
of
the
flag.
The
flagpole
can
be
40
feet
in
height,
so
that's
going
to
regulate
the
size
of
the
flag
that
can
be
placed
on
that
pole
or
flags
if
they
have
two
flags.
B
I
C
Well,
I
I
think
that's
one
of
the
ways
we
can
limit
the
amount
of
stuff
in
a
residential
yard
if
we,
if
we
put
them
together
and
say
up
to
four
including
flags,
that's
the
only
way
we
can
control
and
and
be
able
to
monitor
it
effectively
and
easily
code
compliance
is
going
to
have
their
hands
full
to
begin
with.
So
so.
J
If
they
bring
down
the
flags,
they
could
put
four
signs
in
their
yard
during
political
season.
Okay,
my
my
one
of
my
friends
suggested
that
we
just
make
bumper
stickers
available
for
political
season,
so
you
just
have
one
sign,
and
then
you
just
fill
it
with
bumper
stickers,
so
you
can
get
all
the
people
that
you
represent.
You
know
on
your
sign
and
you
don't
have
to
have
bunches
and
bunches
of
signs
right.
G
G
O
O
O
C
J
M
B
C
J
A
It's
item
j
freestanding
signs
on
line
1097.,
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
number
of
freestanding
signs
for
commercial
and
and
this
one
we
say
five
signs
per
acre
and
I
was
on
page
it's
item
five
and
when
I
talked
with
this
particular
realtor,
they
were
saying.
Oh
probably,
two.
Maybe
two
to
three
is
plenty.
They
don't
definitely
don't
need
five.
A
B
O
I
E
P
Okay,
lisa
hannah's,
owning
official.
We
had
some
discussion
with
staff
late
yesterday
evening
and
to
mitigate
potential
adverse
impacts
we
could
go
instead
of
by
acre.
You
could
do
a
minimum
of
one
sign
per
street
frontage.
Additional
signs
may
be
allowed
based
on
total
linear
feet
of
street
frontage,
an
example
one
sign
per
every
100
linear
feet
of
street
frontage.
A
P
C
Yeah,
I'm
not
sure
about
the
hundred
foot,
though,
because
you
you
talk
about
political
season
and
I
know
we're
not
allowed
to
segment
out
political
signs.
But
you
talk
about
political
season.
They're
they're,
one
right
after
the
other,
on,
especially
on
the
on
the
marketplace:
property
they're
right
on
the
street
frontage
inside
the
sidewalk
and
or
like.
B
C
P
We,
what
staff
can
do
proactively
is
prior
to
an
election
before
campaign
start.
We
can
always
give
a
copy
of
the
signed
code
to
the
supervisor
of
elections
in
the
past.
They
have
provided
that
to
any
of
the
candidates
that
have
qualified
to
run,
so
they
will
be,
hopefully
an
understanding
of
the
city's
sign
code.
P
A
I'll
ask
you
a
question
in
regard
to
the
picture:
that's
up
on
the
screen
that
is
of
the
city
marketplace,
property.
So
let's
just
say
that
we
said
one
sign
per
100
feet.
So
are
you
saying
is
it?
Can
they
be
a
mast?
So
if
that's,
I
don't
know
how
many
feet
that
one
property,
the
south
property,
is
a
long
us-41.
A
H
A
So
I
know
that,
having
done
this
before
and
asking
if
I
can
put
something
somewhere,
I
don't
think
people
have
looked
at
how
many
square
feet,
how
many?
What's
my
frontage,
how
many
people
and
telling
me
which
side
of
the
property
I
can
put
it
on
and
they
just
haven't
gotten
and
they've
just
said:
okay
go
ahead
and
do.
E
J
P
P
P
J
I'm
uncomfortable
with
us
planning
this
whole
thing
around
a
45-day
political
cycle.
I
think
we
owe
it
to
the
people
of
pentagorda
to
maintain
the
pristine
quality
of
our
city,
and
I'm
I'm
just
really
uncomfortable
that
we
are
so
worried
about
a
political
cycle
that
we
are
changing
the
laws
and
making
our
city
available
for
sign
clutter
year
round.
I
would
I
really
am
uncomfortable
with
that.
O
I
O
When
we
were
considering
the
situation
that
this
is
a
showing
with
respect
to
how
many
signs
or
you
could
have,
if
you
congregated
all
those
signs
based
on
the
total
number
of
acres,
you
have
that
becomes
a
problem.
So
so
I
had
proposed
language
that
would
say,
and
only
five
signs
within
one
acre
of
land,
so
it
would
be
easier
for
us
to
figure
out.
You
know
if
there's
how
much
of
that
property
is
in
one
acre
or
how
many
signs
that
they
had
as
opposed
to
them,
trying
to
calculate
street
frontage.
O
L
O
L
E
O
L
E
P
P
C
We're
rehashing
old
business
we
did.
We
talked
about,
especially
in
the
situation
with
political
signs,
that
the
political
campaigns
monitor,
who
they
get
approval
from
to
put
signs
up
on
somebody's
property,
and
it
would
be
redundant
and
very
time
consuming
to
have
to
do
anything
more
than
that
and
you're
going
to
have
property
owners
that
are
not
going
to
be
willing
to
go
through
a
permit
process.
Just
to
allow
somebody
to
put
a
sign
on
their
property.
P
O
I
was
asking
the
question
only
from
the
standpoint
that
it
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
regulate
how
many
signs
go
up
to
the
point,
that
being
the
property
owner's
responsibility,
taking
taking
keeping
tab
of
how
many
signed
permits
the
permissions
he
gave
so
yeah.
I
mean
it's
a
difficult,
particularly
when
you
have
to
take
the
concept
of
political
science
out
of
the
equation,
but
that's
exactly
what
we're
really
trying
to
address.
A
P
G
That's
what,
though,
so
just
say,
four
acres
on
that
square.
So
if
you
did
it
by
acreage
currently,
it
would
be
20
signs
four
times.
Five.
If
you
did
it
by
linear
feet,
it
would
basically
be
say
15
if
you
did
along
the
property
line
of
each
street,
because
you'd
have
four
four
four
four:
if
it's
square,
so
it
reduces
it.
G
G
G
What
I'm
saying
is,
if
you
did
it
by
linear
footage,
instead
of
what
you're
talking
about
right
now,
the
way
they
have
extended
linear
footage
right
there
on
marion
or
on
tamiami
trail.
You
would
only
be
able
to
have
four
sides,
one
every
hundred
feet,
and
then
you
come
down
this
way.
You'd
only
be
able
to
have
another
four
or
one.
Every.
A
C
E
C
A
C
G
P
G
L
L
B
L
O
C
A
E
A
G
C
J
A
A
A
A
I've
also
suggested
where
it's
like
captain
bill
has.
His
sign
could
really
have
a
very
creative
iconic
sign
with
a
barber
pole
that
could
be
really
interesting
and
creative,
so
there's
lots
of
opportunity
for
creativity
throughout
our
community
and
not
just
in
the
cra.
So
I
I
feel
like
that
part
should.
O
A
C
B
A
A
Right,
but
there
was
a
discussion
amongst
and
bill
dryberg
brought
it
up
and
about
realtors,
putting
open
house
arrows
at
like
the
corner
of
ball
harbor
and
ikea
star.
You
know
an
open
house
with
an
arrow
pointing
in
a
direction,
and
we
don't
have
anything.
I
don't
know
if
it's
up
to
us
to
monitor
that
or
if
that's
something
that
the.
P
So
so
those
would
be
signs
in
the
right
right-of-way
which
are
not
permitted
unless
it's
part
of
a
special,
an
approved
special
event.
So
those
are
strictly
pro
prohibited
gotcha,
so
we
need
to
have
any
type
of,
and
we
have
criteria
for
special
events
which
are
not
an
open
house,
a
realtor
holding
an
open
house
now
cdbia
has
come
in
with
their
parade
of
homes.
That
is
a
special
event.
P
They
do
an
off-premise
sign
special
event
permit
for
that,
so
that
is,
they
can
have
the
directional
signs
and
the
signs
in
the
front
yard,
because
that's
part
of
a
special
event.
It's
not
held
every
weekend
or
anything
like
that,
but
any
signs
in
the
right-of-way
with
this
draft
would
not
be
permitted.
Gotcha,
okay,
okay,.
Q
Sharon
I
hoofer
punning
report
charlotte
north
port
de
soto,
association
of
realtors
boy.
We
got
to
come
up
with
a
really
short
acronym
for
that.
The
directional
signs
are
a
big
issue.
We
we
need
them,
we
feel
like
we
need
them.
This
people,
don't
just
put
it
in
their
gps.
They
drive
around
looking
for
open
houses
and
those
signs
direct
them.
At
least
you
know
where
to
go
at
some
point.
You
know
put
one
at
the
corner
of
you
know,
bow
harbor
and
and
esta
and
point
people
in
that
direction.
Q
Q
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that,
but
and
I'd
probably
be
a
nightmare
with
paperwork,
but
the
directional
signs
for
open
houses
are
really
important.
They
are
people
look
for
them
if
people
want
to
sell
their
houses
right
now,
houses
are
just
flying
off
the
market.
We
haven't
always
been
that
way.
We're
not
going
to
be
that
way.
Q
Again,
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
happen
where
we
just
need
to
get
feet
into
the
house
to
sell
that
house,
and
we
need
to
consider
that
that
you
know
this
is
argent
people
in
the
age
group
of
charlotte
county,
which
is
one
of
the
highest
median
ages
in
the
state
of
florida.
They
don't
all
have
the
gps's.
They
don't
all
have
the
smart
smartphones
that
are
telling
them
where
to
go,
they're
just
driving
around
looking
and
we
do
sell
houses
to
those
people
that
are
driving
around
looking.
Q
C
Q
Q
The
signs
away-
I
don't
know
if
you
find
them
or
how
you
do
it,
but
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
do
it
to
make
it
legal
like
the
special
permits
that
they
have
for
special
events.
That
would
just
be
a
wonderful
thing
and
we
were
open
up
to
talking
to
figuring
out
how
to
do
it.
But
we
really
need
that,
and
we
would
ask
that
you
consider
that
well.
O
O
Q
Yes,
ma'am.
I
understand
that
in
like
the
parade
of
homes,
you
know
that's
an
event,
and
so
they
allow
them
to
do
that.
If
somehow
we
could
classify
an
open
house
as
an
event
require
a
permit
and
have
some
I
don't.
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it.
I
don't
have
all
the
answers,
but
I
just
implore
you
to
try
to
find
a
way
to
work
with
this
and
we'll
continue
to
look
for
it,
but
keep
the
door
open
for
us,
and
I
don't
think
that
you're
going
to
stop
them
from
putting
those
signs.
Q
We
have
tried
ourselves
to
stop
our
own
realtors
from
placing
those
signs,
because
we
know
that
every
time
you
all
see
them.
It
just
opens
that
door
for
criticism
to
us,
but
they
don't
stop
and
they
don't
take
their
signs
down.
We
know
that
that's
a
fact
you
know.
I
know
we
need
to
clean
our
own
house,
but
we
just
can't
stop
them.
So
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
regulate
it
and
have
it
permitted
and
processed,
that
would
be
wonderful.
C
I
would
suggest
that
you
try
to
establish
a
meeting
with
city
staff
and
try
to
talk
about
this,
but
at
this
point
they
are
not
permitted
and
I
don't
see
that
that
can
be
changed
because
of
the
exact
thing
we've
been
talking
about
through
this
whole
process,
which
is
content
neutral.
If
we
allow
one,
then
we
have
to
allow
anybody
that
wants
to
put
a
sign
there.