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Regular City Council Meeting 6 16 2021
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A
B
Thank
you,
council
members.
Let's
pray
as
this
council's
assembled
this
morning
to
conduct
the
business
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
and,
as
we
prepare
to
celebrate
the
birthday
of
the
united
states
of
america,
may
we
be
reminded
of
ben
franklin's
statement
that
we
have
been
assured,
sir,
in
the
sacred
writings
that,
except
the
lord,
build
the
house,
they
labor
in
vain
that
build
it.
I
firmly
believe
this
and
also
believe
that,
without
his
concurring
aid,
we
shall
succeed
in
this
political
building,
no
better
than
the
builders
of
battle
father.
B
We
thank
you
for
your
courage
of
christopher
columbus
to
push
through
to
discover
this
land.
We
thank
you
for
the
courage
and
desire
for
religious
freedom
of
the
pilgrims,
and
we
thank
you
for
the
sacrifice
of
those
who
stood
against
england
to
secure
our
freedom
for
this
great
country
as
we
journey
continues.
B
We
ask
today
for
your
wisdom,
for
your
guidance
and
for
the
courage
to
stand
as
an
american
with
our
god-given
rights.
Thank
you
for
protecting
our
first
responders
and
all
those
who
care
for
our
continued
freedom,
as
we
remember
those
who
sacrificed.
Thank
you
for
your
strength.
For
this
council
in
this
meeting
today
in
jesus
name.
A
Okay,
first
I'd
like
to
say
congratulations
to
our
two
council
member
elects
who
are
in
the
audience.
We
have
incoming
district
three
city
council,
member
mark
kuharski,
and
we
have
incoming
district
five
council
member
melissa,
lockhart,
congratulations
and
welcome.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
we're
very
grateful.
We
don't
have
to
have
an
election
this
year.
A
Okay,
this
is
the
time
when,
if
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak
to
the
council
on
any
of
the
council
agenda
items
today,
please
come
to
the
podium
state.
Your
name,
and
you
have
three
minutes
and.
D
D
E
A
E
Okay,
I'm
helen
giroud,
I'm
a
resident
at
the
charlevoix,
and
I've
lived
there
in
the
city
for
like
20
years
and
I've
seen
the
progress
in
the
city,
but
I
realized
that
the
tikis
is
expanding
and
it
would
the
property
is
zoned
for
multi-family
purpose.
Zoning
in
2006
I've
just
seen
a
lot
of
traffic
going
on
through
there
and
it's
been
developing
and
going
in
that
direction
versus
you
know.
I
like
it
more,
you
know
being
that
it's
more
residents
that
I'd
like
I'm
sorry,
I'm
a
little
nervous.
E
But
my
point
is
that
since
it's
expanding
in
such
a
way
that
it
was-
and
it
was
supposed
to
be
family
dwelling
they're
kind
of
it's-
they
have
it.
I'm
sorry!
C
I
believe
you're
gonna
you're
speaking
on
the
first
public
hearing
yeah.
A
Yes,
that's
what
we
will
have
public
comments
under
the
publication.
C
For
that
in
general,
I'm
sorry
and
when
you're
asked
anyone
that's
going
to
be
speaking
with
respect
to
that
will
need
to
rise
to
be
sworn
okay.
So
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
fully
address
that.
G
Good
morning
bob
fritz
burns
for
isles,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
ev
charging
stations
I'm
going
to
be.
You
know
it's
a
wave
of
the
future.
I
understand
that,
but
to
ask
the
taxpayers
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
the
electricity
is
something
completely
different,
especially
when
later
on
on
this
agenda,
you're
going
to
be
talking
about
budgets,
one
of
the
scenarios
in
the
budget
is
increasing
the
millage
rate
by
about
15
percent.
G
How
can
you
ask
the
taxpayers
to
pay
that
and
also
pay
for
somebody
to
fuel
up
with
electricity,
their
eighty
thousand
dollar
tesla
any,
not
a
resident?
Anybody?
That's
not
fair.
There
is
a
maybe
a
way
out
of
it,
though.
When
city
staff
put
this
agenda
in
the
previous
council
meeting,
there
was
two
options
from
fpnl.
There
was
the
slow
charging
stations
which
the
host,
in
this
case
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
would
pay
for.
But
there
also
was
a
fast
charge
option
the
fast
charge
option.
G
Number
five
charge
for
use
of
equipment
host,
acknowledges
and
agrees
that
the
company
will
directly
charge
users
of
the
equipment
for
the
use
of
the
equipment
pursuant
to
the
applicable
tariff
rate.
I
think
that
would
be
the
way
to
go
rather
than
asking
the
taxpayers
to
pay
for
electricity
to
fuel
someone's
car.
Thank
you
thank.
H
You
good
morning,
council
members,
mayor,
welcome,
melissa
and
mark
congratulations
on
your
appointments.
Ponegorda
is
the
place
to
be,
as
we
see
with
the
influx
of
all
the
new
people
coming
to
enjoy
what
we
so
love.
One
of
the
best
things
in
pontegorta
is
the
incredible
service
level
we
all
enjoy,
especially
with
the
police
and
fire
as
we
grow.
We
want
to
continue
to
be
able
to
provide
the
same
level
of
service
and,
with
that
comes
an
increase
in
staff
to
match
the
increase
in
population.
H
I
don't
often
comment
on
the
budget,
but
we
have
all
become
accustomed
to
the
wonderful
services
of
the
police
and
fire
and
also
of
staff,
so
that
I
ask
you
when,
when
you're
reviewing
the
budget-
and
I
am
sure
it's
very
extensive-
if
that
you
look
at
all
of
that
with
our
population
growing,
so
so
should
the
staff
as
well
and,
however,
you
have
to
get
there.
I
would
encourage
you
to
really
look
at
that,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
live
in
the
best
place
that
we
are
living
in
panagorda.
Thank
you.
I
A
A
A
Opportunity
to
speak
when
that
agenda
item
comes
up
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
address
the
council?
Okay,
seeing
no
one
else.
This
is
the
opportunity
if
you
are
have
submitted
your
resume
for
a
seat
on
a
city
board
or
committee.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
come
and
introduce
yourself
to
the
council
and
please
come
to
the
podium
and
introduce
yourself
if
you
are
a
nominee
for
a
border
committee,
okay,
seeing
none.
I
would
like
to
ask
the
council
for
your
indulgence.
A
We
have
two
presentations
that
are
very
late
on
the
agenda
for
fdot
and
we
have
guests
here
from
fdot.
So
if
it's
okay
with
you,
I
would
like
to
move
those
two
agenda
items
up
after
the
two
public
hearings.
Is
that
okay
with
everyone,
so
we
don't
keep
them
here
all
day?
Okay,
great!
Thank
you!
Okay.
So
we
have
two
quasi-judicial
hearings
today.
If
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wishes
to
speak
on
agenda,
item
pd-01-2021
or
v-01-2021,
please
stand
now
and
be
sworn.
C
A
C
This
is
the
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
ordinance
number
1409-3,
as
amended
by
ordinance
number
1457-06
relating
to
the
rezoning
of
the
properties
at
33
and
55
tamiami
trail
and
being
further
bound
and
described
in
exhibit
a
attached
tier
2
from
city
center
district
ccd
to
planned
unit
development
city
center
to
establish
the
interim
uses
of
a
bar
restaurant
event.
L
L
A
little
bit
of
background
I'd
like
to
enter
our
staff
report
into
the
record
in
its
entirety
by
reference
and
we'll
go
into
a
little
bit
of
the
background
of
the
harbor
resort
and
yacht
club.
The
original
planned
unit
development
was
permitted
in
2005
for
a
90
room,
hotel,
114
unit
residential
condo
hotel,
a
marina
parking
garage
and
pedestrian
sidewalk
eastman,
which
is
now
the
harbor
walk.
L
The
purpose
of
this
amendment
is
to
continue
the
interim
uses
of
the
tiki
bar
with
the
restaurant
and
kitchen
it
serves
in
it
as
an
event
venue.
There
is
a
stage
sand,
volleyball
court
restroom
trailer.
It
already
has
some
ground
level
parking
and
there
are
some
storage
containers
that
are
as
part
of
another
temporary
use.
That
is
being
wrapped
up
into
this
one,
where
they
have
storage
for
some
of
the
events
that
they
put
on.
L
So
the
history
of
the
temporary
use
permits
for
the
tiki
bar.
These
were
started
a
decade
ago
in
2011,
with
the
first
temporary
use
in
2012,
the
restroom
trailer
was
added
to
the
temporary
use
permit
in
2013.
It
was
extended
for
an
additional
two
years
and
it
included
enlarging
the
outdoor
cooler
in
2015.
L
So
the
tiki
bar
and
amenities
have
been
permitted
under
temporary
uses
for
10
years.
The
tiki
bar
and
hotel
do
host
numerous
public
events.
Private
and
fundraising
events
for
non-profits
and
for
for-profit
events
does
benefit
the
community
as
it
permits
a
continued
waterfront
destination,
allows
a
continued
site,
use
for
public,
private
and
fundraising
events.
It
does
also
clarify
and
streamline
the
permitting
process
instead
of
coming
back
every
two
to
three
years
for
temporary
uses.
L
So
there
are
some
conditions
of
approval
that
the
landscape
must
be
maintained
and
remain
any
new
structures,
as
authorized
as
an
interim
use,
must
obtain
any
required
city,
state
or
federal
permits
and
approvals
prior
to
construction
and
must
maintain
the
required
waterside
setback
of
25
feet
for
utilities.
We
would
require
confirmation
of
the
availability
of
capacity
for
future
uses
in
the
expan.
If
there's
any
expansion
of
restrooms
restaurant
and
entertainment
also
solid
waste
to
ensure
adequate
storage
capacity
and
retain
sufficient
collection
schedule
building
requirements,
the
chief
building
official
would
like
the
ability
to
re
order.
L
L
A
Thank
you
any
questions
for
staff.
I
just
have
one
question
and
it's
a
question
that
was
asked
of
me.
I
know
that
there
was
a
discussion
at
the
planning
commission
meeting
with
regard
to
giving
a
time
limit
on
the
the
length
of
the
pd
approval.
If
it's
approved,
can
you
go
into
a
little
bit
of
detail
about
that
for
us
I'd.
L
C
The
code
does
allow
us
to
provide
certain
performance
guarantees,
including
other
other
measures
than
the
traditional
bonds
that
might
be
otherwise
used
as
performance
guarantees
to
make
sure
that
the
approved
hotel
and
other
uses
actually
comment.
So
we
do
have
the
ability,
with
respect
to
this
enemy
interim
use,
to
put
a
time
limit
so
that
it
is
not
in
perpetuity.
If
that's
your
choice
and
the
as
the
ordinance
is
currently
drafted,
the
time
limit
for
the
interim
use
would
be
until
the
approved
amenities
and
approved
construction
is
is
completed.
C
But,
of
course,
that
completion
date
is
subject
to
the
whim
of
the
developer
and
if,
indeed,
you
wish
to
put
a
time
limit
on
the
interim
use
which
may
encourage
the
ultimate
development
of
the
project
that
was
intended
by
the
adoption
of
the
pd.
That
would
be
reasonable
and
acceptable
under
the
city's
code.
A
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
for
staff.
Okay,
if
we'd
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant,
if
you
would
please
come
to
the
podium.
M
Good
morning,
jerry
waxler
with
mccrory
law,
firm,
representing
harbor
resort
and
yacht
club
llc,
which
is
requesting
a
major
modification
to
an
existing
planned
development.
As
ms
hannan
noted,
the
pd
was
originally
approved
in
2005,
it
was
amended
in
2006
the
2006
amendment
amendment
granted
approval
for
a
hotel,
a
marina
and
a
condominium
building
the
hotel
and
the
marina
currently
exist
on
the
site.
The
condominium
building
has
not
yet
been
built
in
the
interim,
the
property
has
been
leased
by
the
hotel,
which
has
been
operating.
M
The
tiki
bar
as
an
amenity
for
both
hotel
guests
and
the
community
at
large,
and,
as
ms
hannon
also
noted,
the
tiki
bar
has
been
operating
under
succession
of
temporary
use
permits.
The
proposed
modification
would
simply
add
the
tiki
bar
and
its
complementary
uses,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
volleyball
courts,
restrooms
storage
facilities,
parking
and
the
grass
event
lawn
with
its
stage
as
permitted
interim
uses
in
the
pd.
There
will
be
no
further
need
to
return
to
council
over
and
over
again
to
renew
a
temporary
use.
M
Permit
we're
aware
that
the
public
became
very
concerned
about
this
proposal
when
they
thought
we
were
modifying
the
pd
to
replace
the
tiki
bar
with
a
condominium
building.
But
again
the
condos
have
been
part
of
the
pd
since
the
original
approval
15
years
ago,
and
as
a
and
and
just
so
that
you're
aware
it
does
have
a
first
floor
restaurant
as
part
of
the
condominium
building.
That
is
part
of
the
approval
and
one
day
both
will
be
built
when
the
condos
are
developed.
M
Harbor
resort
and
yacht
club
hopes
the
move
to
move
the
tiki
bar
to
an
over
water
location
operated
by
the
required
restaurant.
We
originally
included
the
over
water
tiki
bar
as
part
of
this
requested
modification,
but
over
water
permitting
as
a
whole,
is
a
completely
different
deal.
It
will
require
state
and
possibly
federal,
permitting
and
could
take
quite
some
time
till
we
got
to
approvals.
M
So
your
city
attorney
requested
that
we
not
show
it
on
the
plans
at
this
time
and
instead
return
with
another
pd
modification
when
we
are
into
the
permitting
process
for
the
over
water.
Tiki
bar
for
the
foreseeable
future.
Harbor
resort
and
yacht
club
will
continue
to
host
the
will
continue
to
host
and
the
hotel
will
continue
to
operate.
The
tiki
bar
just
as.
I
M
Except
that
it
will
be
an
approved
interim
use
in
the
pd,
rather
than
a
temporary
use.
Staff
has
found
that
the
requested
modification
is
consistent
with
your
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
the
criteria
for
rezoning.
We
join
with
staff
and
with
its
report
and
accept
all
requested
conditions,
and
we
would
request
that
you
approve
the
major
modification
of
the
plan
development.
M
We
were
just
informed
this
morning
when
mayor
matthews
raised
the
point
about
potentially
limiting
the
pd,
and
I
wasn't
clear
if
it
was
limiting
the
pd
or
limiting
the
interim
uses.
As
attorney
levin
noted
that
the
pd
is
a
zoning
district
and
it
does
not
have
a
termination,
you
could
amend
or
place
a
condition
to
limit
the
interim
use.
M
That
seems
kind
of
counterproductive
to
me.
Given
the
uproar
when
people
thought
the
use
was
going
to
end,
we
would
like
to
have
if
you
are
looking
to
go
that
way.
We'd
like
just
a
little
bit
of
time.
If,
as
you
have
your
discussion,
I'd
like
a
little
bit
of
time
to
discuss
with
my
client,
what
might
be
a
reasonable
limit
on
that?
If
that
is
something
that
you
are
inclined
to
consider
other
than
that,
we
would
hope
that
you
would
instead
keep
it
as
a
interim
use
until
the
condos
are
built.
M
Condos
are
not
going
to
be
built
on
a
whim.
I
do
take
a
little
bit
of
umbridge
at
that.
They
will
be
built
when
the
economic
situation
warrants
their
construction
and
when
condominiums
become
if
they're
they're,
not
apartments
are
popular
right
now,
condominiums
not
as
much,
and
so
we
are
looking
waiting
for
at
the
time
when
the
time
is
right
and
correct,
he
will
build
them.
M
A
C
N
Good
morning
my
name
is
berlin.
Kovac
I
too
am
a
resident
at
the
charlevoix
condominiums.
A
few
weeks
ago.
I
did
attend
the
planning.
Commission.
Excuse
me,
you've
been
sworn.
I
haven't
sworn
I'm
sorry.
A
few
weeks
ago
I
did
attend
the
planning
commission's
okay
to
provide
this
gentleman,
his
permission
not
to
have
to
come
back
and
forth
to
get
things
okayed
by
the
planning,
commission
and
some
of
the
charlevoix
residents.
Not
myself
included,
who
were
here
were
a
little
upset
that,
despite
the
fact
that
we
stood
up
here
and
very.
N
Voraciously
said
our
complaints
about
that
it
was
never
even
mentioned.
It
was
as
if
we
never
stood
here
at
all.
So
I'm
going
to
say
the
same
thing
again
today
that
I
said
that
day
I
have
no
problem
with
the
tiki
bar
as
a
resident
of
the
charlevoix
condominiums
I
go
there,
I
enjoy
it.
I
listen
to
music,
I
drink.
I
watch
the
sunset.
N
Whatever
you
do
there
I
do
as
well.
However,
it's
what
happens
as
a
result
of
the
tiki
bar
and
its
effect
on
the
charlevoix
residents,
which
is,
is
why
I'm
standing
here
on
any
given
night,
mostly
the
weekends
friday
and
saturday
night,
when
the
amount
of
people
probably
quadruples,
and
especially,
if
there's
an
event
taking
place
there.
N
There's
urinating
in
our
flower
beds,
urinating
in
our
elevators
there's
been
defecating
in
our
carports
people
wander
through
our
walkways.
Looking
for
open
doors,
I
don't
know
whether
they're
going
to
crash
somewhere
or
sleep
off
a
hangover
or
use
our
bathrooms,
but
there
is
the
possibility
that
someday
we
will
wake
up
in
the
morning
and
find
a
drunken
body
in
our
pool.
N
That
happens
also
too
in
january
of
2020,
my
husband
and
I
were
awakened
to
the
sounds
of
loud
talking
and
screaming
and
cursing
in
the
parking
lot
over
there.
It
was
the
first
time
in
66
years
of
my
life
that
I
called
9-1-1
and
there
was
a
knifing
that
took
place
over
there,
the
police.
Thank
you
I'm
sorry.
Your
three
minutes
are
up.
No,
yes,
I'm
sorry.
I
have
so
much
more
to
say.
Well,
I'm
sorry,
but
we.
A
O
Sworn
good
morning,
my
name
is
richard
klosky.
I
have
been
sworn
in
I'd
like
to
address
the
council.
As
a
concerned
prospective
investor
I
met
this
lady.
She
tried
to
convey
to
you
the
deep
concern
with
this
huge
expansion
that
has
slowly
picked
this
charlevoid
condominium
apart.
O
O
O
It's
just
out
of
control
and
if
you
walk
from
that,
charlevoix
road
there's
no
way
to
get
to
the
tiki
bar
unless
you
go
through
the
hotel
which
nobody's
doing
and
they're
walking
up
the
public
road,
there's
not
even
a
sidewalk
on
the
crop
on
the
property
between
the
convention
center
and
the
charlevoix,
and
it's
we
just
came
here
and
there's
beer
bottles
all
over
the
street
right
there.
As
we
come
off
of
our
property
into
the
city.
It's
it's
just
getting
out
of
control.
E
If
they
had
public
access
versus
through
our
property,
they
usually
go
through
the
harbor
event
center
to
walk
through
that
road
it'd
be
great
if
they
had
a
sidewalk
between
the
charlevoix
and
the
that
says
to
the
harbor
walk.
There's
no
place
for
people
to
have
access
to
that
property.
That.
O
It's
basically
dealing
with
a
thousand
cuts
there's.
This
has
been
since
2005
great.
We
love
expansion
and
all
of
that,
but
not
right
on
top
of
this
existing
condominium,
it
is,
it
is
destroying
the
values
there.
I
had
looked
many
times
to
invest
there,
but
have
totally
been
turned
off
by
the
enormous
amount
of
foot
traffic
that
comes
from
all
without
the
historic
district
to
that
city,
walk
in
the
tiki
area.
I
do
not
wish
to
expand
anything
there;
they
should
just
leave
it
as
it
is
it's
bad
enough
as
it
is
so
that's
all.
A
C
B
Q
I
can
remember
vividly
coming
into
to
that
hotel
back
there
by
the
water
and
they
had
the
coconut
races.
Everybody
in
the
city
of
winter,
somewhere
in
this
city,
is
the
city
of
put
the
gorgeous
coconut
and
we're
hoping
we
can.
Somebody
has
it.
Oh,
is
it
out
here?
Okay?
Then
it
is
here.
So
I
I
don't
see
the
problem
with
wanting
to
build
something
back
in
that
particular
spot
again.
I
I
think
one
of
the
speakers
talked
about
sidewalk
over
by
the
event
center.
Q
I
think
it's
a
smart
idea
with
a
sign
that
might
alleviate
a
lot
of
the
problems
of
them
coming
through
the
shard
of
one,
but
I
can
tell
you
also
as
president
of
the
board
of
realtors.
The
values
in
the
chardevoy
have
not
gone
down.
Everything
in
this
town
has
gone
up
so
just
wanted
to
make
that
statement
suit.
You
inherited
from
me
first
thank
you
very.
M
I
just
wanted
to
address
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made,
mr
cereal,
the
developer
of
the
project
and
mr
holt,
who
is
the
four
points
general
manager
meet
regularly
and
have
throughout
the
the
history
of
the
life
of
the
tiki
bar
meet
regularly
with
the
board
of
the
charlevoix,
and
I'm
also
sorry
that
miss
kovac
who
spoke
first
felt
that
she
was
ignored
by
the
planning
commission.
M
But
she
was
not
ignored
by
again
by
mr
holt
by
the
four
points
and
by
the
tiki
bar
they
subsequent
to
that
meeting
have
met
again
with
the
president
and
vice
president
of
the
charlevoid.
They
are
willing
to
do
what
is
necessary
to
limit
the
impacts.
So
several
years
ago
they
were
asked
to
put
up
a
fence
along
the
back
of
the
property
that
would
prevent
people
from
accessing
the
tiki
bar
through
the
parking
lot
of
the
charlevoix.
M
The
charlevoix
was
supposed
to
put
up
a
gate
at
the
entrance
to
their
parking
lot.
As
part
of
that
discussion,
the
fence
limiting
access
to
the
tiki
bar
has
been
put
up.
The
gate
into
the
parking
lot
has
not.
We
also
are
somewhat
limited.
We
recognize
there's
a
problem
with
people,
it's
very
confusing
how
to
get
into
there
how
to
get
out
and
where
the
various
parking
lots
that
have
sprung
up.
M
Are
we
understand
that
your
city
codes
currently
limit,
though
the
size
and
number
of
directional
signs
and
things
that
we
can
put
up,
but
there
is
a
meeting
scheduled
so
that
we
can
meet
with
city
staff
to
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
some
sort
of.
I
don't
want
to
call
that
a
compromise
some
way
under
your
codes
that
we
can
put
up
the
signage
necessary
so
that
people
won't
be
turning
into
the
charlevoix
parking
lot
or
thinking
that
that
is
an
appropriate
place
to
park
for
the
tiki
bar.
M
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
we
know
that
there
have
been
issues
with
the
charlevoix.
We
have
only
so
much
control
over
what
people
do
and
don't,
but
the
things
that
we
can
control
have
been
proactively
addressed.
We
are
continuing
to
address
the
issues
to
find
a
way
that
we
can
live
together
in
harmony
and
peace.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
if
there
is
anyone
that
would
like
to
speak
to
the
council
on
this
issue,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
A
J
So
I
would
like
to
just
say
I
congratulate
the
business
owner
of
the
four
points,
mr
surial
and
and
mr
holt
and
the
entire
team
for
being
creative
and
coming
up
with
a
solution
that
helps
their
business.
That
has
become
a
goal
of
mine.
In
my
estimation,
the
community
absolutely
loves,
and
and
just
even
the
thought
of
even
having
the
volleyball
courts
go
away.
I've
had
a
resident
email
me
and
and
talk
to
city
the
city
about
it,
so
it
you've
come
up
with
this.
J
Some
a
business
opportunity
that
you've
turned
the
business
opportunity
when
things
were
down
into
something
that
was
a
real
positive
situation
for
pentagorda.
J
J
But
I
I
also
want
to
say
that
back
in
2006
seven,
when
the
when
the
event
center
was
being
built,
I
know
as
a
team
punta
gorda,
we
met
with
the
county
and
with
then
david
milligan,
who
was
the
facilities
director
for
the
county
and
said
there
needs
to
be
a
walkway
along
from
to
taylor,
to
extend
taylor
on
into
the
harbor
walk,
so
people
can
find
the
harbor
walk
and
we
were
told
no
we're
going
to
put
a
flower
bed
here,
we're
going
to
put
plantings
here
and
we
were
told
in
no
uncertain
terms.
J
No,
and
so
it's
a
county
issue,
because
that
is
the
county's
property
and
I
don't
know
what
we
can
do
to
work
with
the
county.
Just
try
to
see
if
the
county
will
do
something,
but
it
is
a
problem
trying
to
find
find
it.
So
I
do
feel
for
the
harbor
for
the
charlevoix
and
I'm
glad
to
see
there's
some
some
work
going
on
to
help
remedy
the
situation.
A
Anyone
else
I
I
too,
I
echo
some
of
your
comments.
You
know
I
was
on
the
planning
commission
back
when
this
first
came
before
the
planning,
commission
and
council
back
in
2005
and
six,
and
I
actually
met
with
mr
surreal
several
times
while
the
planning
was
going
on
and
at
that
time
it
was
the
desire
of
the
developer
to
put
the
condo
building
up.
A
First
and
after
numerous
conversations
with
staff,
he
was
coerced
into
putting
the
hotel
up
first
because
the
event
center
had
just
been
built
and
there
was
no
support
for
the
event
center
for
conferences
to
come
in.
So
we
thankfully
got
him
to
agree
to
that
and
he
built
the
beautiful
hotel
that
it
is,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
had
all
this
wonderful
green
space
on
the
water
and
it
turned
into
quite
the
quite
the
social
place
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
and
you're
right,
there's
been
a
number
of
residents
who
are
like.
A
You
can't
take
my
playground
away.
Well,
it's
not
our
playground.
We
don't
own
that
land.
It
is
privately
owned.
It
is
up
to
the
developer
to
do
what
he
wishes
to
do
with
that
property
based
on
what's
the
allowable
uses.
So
this
is
not
anything
the
city
can
control.
What
we
can
control
is
trying
to
work
with
the
developer
and
the
county
to
try
to
come
up
with
an
amenable
way
to
make
this
work
for
everyone
that
everybody's
happy
with.
I
do
sympathize
with
charlevoix
and
I
agree
with
nancy.
A
I
think
that
you
also
need
to
come
up
with
some
solutions
at
your
end
of
the
of
the
situation,
because
if
it
requires
a
gate
at
the
entrance
to
your
driveway,
then
so
be
it.
That
may
be
something
that
will
help
solve
the
problem
there,
but
you
know
that
it's
not
entirely
the
sheraton's
fault
and
it's
not,
and
it's
not
the
event,
center's
fault.
A
I
do
think
that,
with
our
current
staff,
I
think
we
have
the
ability
to
communicate
with
the
county
people
and
try
to
work
out
an
amenable
solution
for
a
walkway.
If
that's
what
it
takes
to,
you
know
at
least
get
that
section
of
the
of
the
parking
lot
in
the
event
center
to
be
used.
As
a
public
access
driveway,
so
maybe
that's
the
solution,
but
there's,
in
my
opinion,
there's
no
reason
we
should
deny
this
request.
I
think
this
makes
sense
for
everyone
involved.
R
R
Did
you
want
to
go
to
jaha?
Okay?
I
would
just
like
to
say
that,
prior
to
jerry's
getting
back
up
and
explaining
some
of
the
proactive
measures
that
have
been
taken,
I
was
I
was
ready
to
seriously
think
about
stopping
this,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
you're
being
bad
neighbors.
It
doesn't
seem.
Like
I
mean
you
know,
everybody
has
instances
where
you
can't
control
everything
and
that's
to
be
expected.
R
But
I
don't
see
you
know.
If
anything,
maybe
staff
can
work
with
them
on
a
way
to
circumvent
the
sign,
ordinance,
put
it
on
private
property
or
something
so
that
they
can
adequately
have
signage
to
lure
people
away
from
the
the
condos
and
back
into
the
the
tiki
hut.
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
don't
see
any
reason
to
deny
it
uh-huh.
R
S
T
T
I
think
the
only
issue
going
forward
in
solving
the
problem
because
we
do
need
the
group
to
sought
to
deal
with
the
charlavoid
issue
is
to
get
the
county
to
come
up
with
something
that
helps
in
solution.
A
Any
other
comments-
and
let
me
also
be
clear-
this
request
does
not
include
the
over
the
water
tiki
bar,
which
may
possibly
come
up
in
the
future
if
permits
are
attained
by
the
developer.
So
that
is
not
part
of
this
request,
so
I
want
to
be
really
clear
about
that,
because
that,
even
though
that's
been
something
that's
been
under
discussion,
it's
not
part
of
this
request.
A
K
C
Yes-
and
this
is
a
request
by
marvin
p
and
barbara-
a
nelson
property
owners
pursuant
to
chapter
26,
section
16.10-
I
want
to
go
to
code
to
allow
a
single
driveway
46
feet
in
width
instead
of
24
feet
in
width,
as
required
by
chapter
26,
section
10.3,
h,
6
b.
I
want
to
go
to
code
in
order
to
reconstruct
a
driveway
at
an
existing
single-family
residence
constructed
in
1989.
L
L
So
we
have
to
go
through
our
seven
criteria:
approval
criteria
that
have
to
be
met
to
approve
a
variance
the
special
conditions
or
circumstances
exist.
The
subject
property
is
on
two
platted
lots
has
approximately
180
feet
of
width.
The
rv
garage
edition
was
permitted
in
2005..
The
driveway
was
not
reconfigured.
At
the
time
the
rv
garage
was
added.
L
The
ver
there
was
a
variance
request
submitted
in
2005,
but
it
was
withdrawn
prior
to
the
hearing,
staff
finds
that
there
are
no
special
conditions
or
circumstances
that
exist
for
this
property
criteria.
Number
two
about
strict
and
literal
enforcement
of
the
land
development
regulations,
creating
an
undue
hardship.
L
The
land
development
read,
I'm
sorry,
the
lane
development
regulations
would
not
permit
a
drop.
The
driveway
as
proposed
and
staff
cannot
can
find
no
evidence
of
hardship
other
than
a
mere
inconvenience
that
hardship
is
generally
shared
by
others
again.
The
subject
property
is
on
two
platted
lots
with
approximately
180
feet
of
width.
There
are
a
few
contiguous
adjacent
properties
that
are
developed
with
two
lots:
hardship
is
not
generally
shared
with
others.
L
The
variance
is
not
injurious
or
incompatible
with
the
contiguous
uses.
The
property
to
the
south
has
the
closest
driveway.
This
would
be.
Adding
additional
impervious
area
could
potentially
cause
drainage
or
runoff
issues
and
could
potentially
be
detrimental
to
surrounding
properties
criteria.
Number
five:
the
variance
is
a
minimum
modification
of
the
regulations.
L
The
driveway
could
be
configured
to
be
could
be
reconfigured
to
be
in
conformance
with
the
code.
So,
therefore,
the
variance
request
is
not
the
minimum
modification
which
could
afford
relief.
The
variance
requested,
the
requested
variance,
was
not
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
The
rv
garage
edition
was
permitted
in
2005
by
the
current
property
owner.
The
existing
driveway
configuration
could
have
been
changed
at
the
time
of
construction.
L
The
variance
does
not
involve
a
prohibited
use,
since
driveways
are
permitted,
accessory
structure
or
use.
The
variance
requested
does
not
involve
a
prohibited
use
and
that
the
variance
requested
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
driveway
maximum
widths
are
designed
to
help
mitigate
and
manage
maximum
anticipated
stormwater
runoff
from
sites
not
subject
to
drc
or
swift
mud
permit
requirements.
L
L
So
in
conclusion,
the
rv
garage
edition
was
correctly
permitted
and
constructed
in
2005.
However,
the
driveway
could
have
been
refigured
at
the
time
of
construction.
A
variance
request
for
a
third
driveway
was
submitted
in
2005.
However,
that
was
withdrawn
at
the
request
of
the
applicant
prior
to
the
hearing.
L
L
City
of
punta
gorda
development
review
committee
recommended
the
request
move
forward
to
board
of
zoning
appeals
and
city
council
for
consideration
board
of
zoning
appeals
recommended
denial
of
the
request.
Five
to
two,
an
urban
design
staff
based
upon
the
findings
and
conclusions
outlined
in
the
staff
report,
recommends
denial
of
the
request.
A
I
C
I
I
I
I
I
I
You
can
see
the
surrounding
neighborhood
all
has
pavers,
which
is
very
porous.
The
water
will
soak
into
those
paver
areas
and
would
not
have
the
effect
that
the
driveway
existing
now
when
the
rain
hits
it.
It
just
sheds
it
right
off,
and
I
have
water
across
the
the
whole
front
end.
You
can
see
how
dark
the
the
ditch
is
there
on
the
driveway
that
it
does
and
it
holds
the
water.
I
There
is
the
mailbox
there
is
the
city,
water,
there's
the
telephone
pole,
and
if
I
go
a
little
further
here,
there
is
your
drain
and
that
water
all
drains
from
my
property,
the
the
the
neighbor
next
door
and
it
drains
direct
to
the
channel.
So
there
that's
not
a
problem
with
water.
If
I
put
this
driveway
in
originally,
when
we
put
this
together,
my
builder
told
me
that
he
applied
for
a
driveway
permit
when
was
told
that
he
was
definitely
not
going
to
get
it
so
therefore
he
pulled
it
and
did
not
spend
the
dollar.
I
I
I
talked
to
a
new
contractor
who
wants
to
put
all
this
pavers
in
on
my
drive
and
he
confronted
the
city
manager,
the
minute
city
manager,
and
I
have
it
in
writing
that
I
have
two
lots
and
I
could
go
up
to
63
feet.
I'm
not
asking
for
63
feet,
I'm
only
asking
a
total
of
60..
I
That
would
get
my
use
that
I
could
use
the
garage
that
I
put
all
this
money
into
when
I
was
told
that
I
could
do
this,
we
went
ahead
and
ordered.
Oh
and
now
we
have
almost
thirty
thousand
dollars
right
now
invested
plus
the
other
there's
more
more
money
that
has
been
invested
too,
but
30
up
to
30
000.
To
get
this
project
done.
I
I
guess
I
don't
understand
when
I
ask
for
a
variance
I'm
not
trying
to
change
your
code,
I'm
asking
to
improve
the
property
I
have
neighbors
on
their
own
went
out
and
they
petitioned
and
said
that
they
agreed
that
this
was
going
to
make
the
whole
street
look
good.
It's
going
to
beautify
the
place
and
there's
not
a
problem
with
them.
I
I
If
I
ever
want
to
sell
this
home,
I've
got
a
problem
because
I
don't
have
a
direct
access
to
this
garage.
I
just
want
to
bear
and
ask
the
city
council
to
take
this
into
consideration.
I
brought
pictures
in
today
because
I
don't
think
anyone's
ever
gone
out
and
really
looked
at
this
piece
of
property.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
a
question
for
miss
hannon.
A
L
I
have
spoken
with
some
of
our
con,
some
of
our
engineering
staff,
where,
if
you
move
over
where
the
24
foot
driveway
is
now,
if
you
move
it
over
to
accommodate
the
rv
garage,
the
driveway.
Can
the
maximum
width
of
a
single
driveway
can
be
24
feet
in
width
at
the
property
line
and
through
the
right-of-way
once
it
gets
up
on
private
property,
provided
you
have
the
impervious
area
and
the
side
yard
setback,
which
is
six
feet.
They
could
even
go
over
because
I
think
they're
at
seven
and
a
half
feet
right.
L
There,
eight
almost
eight
feet.
You
could
go
over
almost
an
additional
two
feet
to
the
right
as
long
as
that,
driveway
through
the
right-of-way
is
not
more
than
24
feet,
except
for
the
flares.
If
it
scooted
over.
You
still
have
maneuverability
for
a
single
car
to
go
in
the
other
garage,
but
then
that
would
give
your
straight
in
backing
or
pulling
in
for
the
bus
garage.
S
A
It's
it's
in
my
opinion.
It's
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
that
there
are.
There
are
rules
that
swift
mud
would
have
a
say
about
because
of
water
drain.
A
You
know
run
off
and
that
that's
going
to
be
a
big
concern
if
we
approve
a
40-some
foot
driveway
across
at
the
at
the
street
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
issues
that
are
involved
too,
but
that's
one
of
the
most
critical
is
storm
water,
runoff
and-
and
you
know,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
don't
allow
multiple
driveway
access
points
on
a
lot
of
other
properties.
A
This
is
a
very
unique
situation,
but
I
I
do
think
if
there's
a
way
to.
Alternatively,
you
know
maybe
work
out
another
solution
that
might
be
a
better
way
to
do
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
I
J
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant
and
that
is
why
didn't
you
reconfigure
the
driveway
when
you
built
this
I've
had
residents.
Ask
me
that
question.
Why
didn't
the
applicant
reconfigure
the
driveway,
because,
knowing
that
a
90
degree
turn
like
that
is
going
to
be
impossible
for
a
recreational
vehicle.
I
Okay,
originally,
we
had
an
the
builder
from
naples,
build
that
dry,
a
garage
and
when
he
went
to
apply
for
a
driveway,
he
was
told
that
he
would
not
be
accepted
so
that
we
had
no
alternative
other
than
to
do
what
we
existed.
We
did
here
since
then.
I've
talked
to
several
people
and
people
of
your
council
people
on
the
in
the
in
the
city
of
puna
gorda
that
apply
again
pay
your
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
apply
again
because
things
have
changed.
I
T
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant
too.
Have
you
you
heard
ms
hannan's
comment
about
what
you
might
do
to
make
it
work?
Have
you
considered
that
option.
I
We've
looked
at
that
option.
I
talked
to
some
real
estate
people
and
they
said
if
I
took
the
driveway
out
on
the
left
hand
side
that
would
take
away
from
the
value
of
me
to
resell
that
house.
If
I
wanted
to
resell
it,
then
I
would
have
all
the
landscaping
from
there.
I'd
have
all
that
landscaping
to
totally
redo,
which
is
going
to
cost
me
a
lot
more
money
than
I'm
trying
to
do
right
now.
R
I
think
you
misunderstand
what
ms
hannon
was
suggesting,
because
what
I
heard
had
nothing
to
do
with
taking
out
the
circular
driveway.
It
just
had
we're
just
suggesting
that
you
move
the
part.
That's
on
the
street
over
right.
You
can
still
keep
your
circular
driveway,
which
would
be
okay
to
get
into
from
a
driveway.
That's
moved
over
six
feet.
R
A
A
And
I
think
councilman
miller's
question
was
was
more
along
the
lines
of
have
you
looked
at
what
we
were
just
discussing
a
few
minutes
ago,
which
is
to
move
that
that
second
driveway,
the
wider
driveway
over
to
the
right,
so
that
it
lines
up
with
the
rv
garage
and
remove?
What's
there
now
and
just
make
it
more
of
an
elongated
circular
driveway?
That
would
be
focused
more
to
the
right
so
that
it
lines
up
with
the
with
the
new
garage.
So.
L
A
R
When
we
look
at
the
you
could
do
that
yeah
two
feet:
yeah,
you
can
come.
L
I
L
R
Why
don't
you
schedule
another
meeting
with
them
and
unders
and
try
to
come
to
some
sort
of
understanding,
because
I'm
not
in
favor
of
granting
it
as
it
is
right
now
we
have
this
code
for
a
reason,
it's
a
part
of
our
land
development
rigs.
I
can't
believe
that
any
builder
would
have
let
you
build
it,
knowing
that
he
couldn't
put
a
driveway
in
I'm
really
stumped
by
that
yeah.
R
L
J
And
I
I
agree
with
you
then,
once.
L
R
J
J
A
Agree:
okay:
okay,
do
we
need
to
proceed
with
yes,.
A
A
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
deny
v-01-2021
all
those
in
favor.
Please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
and
if
you
would
please
communicate
with
the
city
staff
and
and
set
up
a
meeting
and
let
them
try
to
work
with
you
on
a
solution
for
this,
and
then
it
will
come
back
to
council
at
some
point.
U
U
The
rules-
I
I
don't
want
to
change
the
rules,
okay
and
we
know
full
well
that
the
water
is
not
going
to
be
an
issue.
If
you
take
the
concrete
away
and
you
put
papers
in
because
your
pavers
would
let
the
water
go
through
and
you
know
I
understand,
you
got
rules,
regulations
and
everything.
However,
there
are
variances
and
I've
done
it
for
over
50
some
years
as
a,
and
there
are
variances
that
you
can
do.
However,
everyone
is
dead,
set
on
we're,
not
changing.
U
A
Just
for
clarification
as
it
was
submitted,
this
does
not
meet
any
of
the
criteria
that
we
have
to
approve
to
to
say
yes
on
something
like
this,
not
for
a
variance
or
anything.
No,
so
we
will
have
to
have
it
reviewed
and
have
staff
work
with
you
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
solution.
Thank
you,
okay.
A
V
Good
apologies.
Good
morning
my
name
is
bessie
rayna,
I'm
a
planning
manager
with
the
florida
department
of
transportation,
and
I
hear
an
echo
so
I'm
gonna
try
to
adjust
a
little
bit.
I
apologize.
V
Now
we
originally
came
to
this
council
in
early
2020
to
present
our
recommendations
at
the
time
and
we're
asked
to
go
back
and
rethink
some
things,
and
thank
you
for
that
input
for
today's
presentation.
Since
it's
been
a
while,
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
an
overview
of
the
intent
of
this
pilot
project
and
then
move
into
the
recommendations
and
the
changes.
V
Now
the
input,
a
lot
of
the
discussions
for
this
plan
happened
in
2019
and
at
the
stakeholder
in
the
public
meetings.
We
had
various
discussions
where
we
talked
about
community
transportation,
needs
economic
development,
desires,
character
and
development
patterns
along
the
corridor,
and
we
also
talked
about
what's
the
future
of
this
corridor.
V
V
V
We
also
had
a
lot
of
comments
and
various
segments
throughout
this
corridor
about
either
enhancing
or
thinking
about
future
needs
to
provide
maybe
trails,
sidewalks
and
pedestrian
crossings.
And
of
course,
there
were
comments
about
being
mindful
of
how
this
corridor
functions
not
to
have
it
become
congested,
just
to
name
a
few.
V
So
in
our
discussions
about
certain
revisions
that
we
needed
to
make
to
the
initial
draft,
we
also
saw
the
need
to
to
think
about
how
we
divided
the
corridor
and
how
clearly
some
of
the
ideas
some
of
the
assumptions
we
had
about,
what's
going
to
happen
or
what
could
happen
in
the
future
along
us-41.
V
So
we
used
the
department's
context,
classification
tool.
We
we
emphasize
that
it
highlights
character,
land
development
patterns.
We
use
that
to
divide
the
corridor
into
eight
segments
and,
as
you
see
on
the
slide,
there
are
about
six
context,
classifications
and
in
each
context,
classification.
We
have
some
assumptions
about
the
types
of
users.
V
It's
currently
suburban
and
it's
expected
to
continue
to
be
suburban,
even
though
there
is
some
development
in
the
area
and
our
recommendations
really
simple
to
continue
the
multimodal
improvements
on
the
sarasota
side
of
having
that
shared
use,
path
on
both
sides
of
the
the
corridor,
as
well
as
some
gateway
features
just
to
clarify
that
you're
in
a
new
county
and
on
this
slide
is
a
rendering
of
what
that
could
look
like,
and
I
also
want
to
highlight
here.
There
are
currently
bike
lanes.
V
We
recently
improved
this
segment
of
the
corridor,
but
maybe
in
the
long
term,
given
what
we
heard
in
this
engagement
process.
Consider
shifting
that
and
actually
putting
in
those
shared
use
paths.
We
heard
a
lot
from
the
public
that
they
feel
maybe
more
comfort
on
those
separated
wider
facilities.
It
could
be
a
long
term
option.
V
Moving
on
to
the
second
segment,
really
the
the
idea
centered
around
us,
41
and
veterans
boulevard.
V
V
This
really
is
a
big
idea,
a
truly
long-term
idea,
but
some
of
the
benefits
of
considering
this
is
that
that
network
can
provide
more
access
to
activities
and
businesses
within
the
area.
It
could
also
alleviate
some
of
all
of
the
traffic
or
trying
to
choose
my
words
here.
It
could
help
alleviate
the
intersection
of
u.s,
41
and
veterans
boulevard,
providing
some
more
options
for
that
local
circulation
for
all
modes
of
travel
and
the
other
benefit
could
be
if
this
area
was
to
become
more
walkable.
V
This
improvement
can
help
shorten
the
block
sizes
and
thus
kind
of
support.
A
more
walkable
urban
type
of
setting.
V
This
is
a
segment
of
the
corridor
where
there
are
frontage
roads
and
there
is
a
long-term
opportunity
to
think
about
a
boulevard
concept
here
to
provide
a
more
consistent
character
in
this
area,
and
the
idea
here
is
to
use
the
space
between
the
main
line
and
the
frontage
roads
and
have
it
be
more
of
a
public
space
in
the
long
term
and
on
this
slide
are
just
some
planning
renderings
of
what
that
could
look
like
building
off
a
division.
There
was
an
emphasis
on
that
green
spine
concept.
V
V
There
was
a
lot
of
redevelopment
activity
in
this
area
and
while
it
is
currently
suburban,
there
was
real
potential
for
it
to
become
more
urban,
more
walkable,
and
we
had
heard
of
that
desire-
and
we
had
also
heard
of
possibly
a
concept
to
evaluate
a
lane
repurposing
here
to
promote
that
walkability
and
our
recommendation.
If
that
might
make
sense
in
the
long
term,
because
we
know
things
have
really
changed
with
this
pandemic.
V
That
might
be
a
recommendation
to
consider
for
further
evaluation
and
on
this
side
is
again
another
planning
level,
rendering
of
what
that
could
look
like
and
to
highlight
the
difference.
It's
really
looking
at
the
edges
as
well
that
extra
space
could
allow
you
to
provide
more
of
a
shared
use
path
on
both
sides
of
the
roadway
and
midwalk
crossings
as
well.
In
addition
to
the
landscape,
bessie.
A
V
Well,
that
is
also
why,
in
our
recommendations,
it
would
be
to
put
in
a
request
to
study
that
further
at
the
planning
level.
It
does
seem
like
an
interesting
idea
to
consider
if
walkability
and
more
network
is
desired,
but
it
could
really
only
be
discussed
if
there
was
more
analysis
to
make
sure
it
made
sense.
A
It
does
not
make
sense
and
in
fact
harbor
boulevard
is
being
widened
and
expanded
to
accommodate
the
sun
seeker
resort.
If
anything,
we
need
more
lanes
of
traffic
in
front
of
sunseeker,
and
that
is
going
to
be
starting
construction
again
very
shortly.
I
mean
they
are
quietly
working
over
there
right
now
and
they
are
adding
on
to
the
building.
But
there's
going
to
be
potentially
several
thousand
cars
in
and
out
of
there
every
day,
nancy.
J
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
the
mayor,
but
I
do
the
observation
I'm
making
here
is
something
I
think
that
it
appears.
Fdot
has
realized,
should
have
probably
been
done
decades
ago,
and
that
was
to
focus
on
adding
trees
and
green
and
things
like
that
to
the
landscape.
That
is
missing.
I.
J
Was
just
to
provide
a
throughput
without
any
consideration
and
adding
that
the
green
and
the
other
things
will
it's
a
an
element
that
will
add
so
much
to
the
community.
But.
K
R
V
We
are
looking
at
the
various
local
plans
and
end
discussions
that
we
did
in
2019
about
what
might
be
possible
in
this
area
and
what
we
thought
we
heard
was
that
there
was
a
desire
beyond
sun
seekers
for
this
area
in
general,
to
be
more
walkable
for
the
roadway
to
better
connect
the
communities
on
either
side.
V
S
Probably
in
regard
to
walkability
it's
going
to
be
between
41
and
bayshore
inside
here
there
are
houses
there,
but
yeah
generally.
This
is
an
almost
industrial
area
crossing
the
street,
but
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
can
think
in
regard
to
this
is
if
there
was
like
a
third
bridge
planned,
that's
the
only
way
that
possibly
that
traffic
could
be
lessened,
because
if
anything
we
are
we're
going
to
be
on
the
verge
of
almost
probably
yeah.
A
T
Yes,
do
I
understand
from
the
future
drawing
there
that
you're
actually
narrowing
41
to
two
lanes
in
that
whole
area
between
edgewater
and
the
bridges
yep.
T
J
Oh,
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
think
in
some
cases
that
you
know
along
41,
where
I'll
use
the
multi-use
trail,
south,
acquiesce
or
south
of
cooper
as
an
example
that,
when
it
was
first
built
a
long
time
ago,
really
didn't
see
that
much
activity
on
it,
but
the
activity
has
increased
steadily
over
the
years.
It's
not
like
it's
a
thoroughfare,
but
it's
the
activity
has
increased
steadily
over
the
years.
So
I
I've
seen
pedestrian
traffic
along
us
41
north
of
the
bridges
more
now
than
I
have
in
the
past.
J
A
V
Thank
you
for
your
input.
I'm
definitely
hearing
there
is
concerns.
I
think
was
probably
more
important
to
highlight,
and
maybe
the
final
document
I'll
give
it
some
more
thought
it's
just
there.
There
might
be
a
need
to
really
think
about
you're
going
to
have
some
more
pedestrians
in
this
area
how
to
accommodate
them
while
also
accommodating
the
automobiles
as
well.
So
again,
thank
you.
V
So
moving
on
to
the
first
down
punta
florida
segment,
well,
we
called
it
the
downtown
segment.
This
goes
from
peace,
river
bridge
to
williams
street,
and
some
of
the
main
points
to
highlight
that
we
were
looking
at
is
well.
First
with
the
bridge,
there
is
probably
a
a
good
opportunity
in
in
the
future
to
provide
a
more
like
a
multi-use
path
on
this
bridge,
maybe
even
consider
some
special
use
lanes
when
the
bridge
is
reconstructed
in
the
long
term,
and
I
the
last
time
we
spoke,
that
was
a
few
decades
out.
V
So
that
is
one
recommendation
we
see.
We
know
that
there
is
already
some
multi-modal
use
on
the
bridge,
maybe
to
better
separate
it
out
could
be
a
great
asset
in
the
future.
Now,
on
the
one-way
pairs
into
downtown,
when
we
were
doing
this
study,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussions
about
what
could
happen
on
these
segments.
V
So
all
we
wanted
to
do
was
to
say
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
evaluate
treatments
to
enhance
the
safety
for
all
corridor
users
in
this
segment,
and
it's
always
nice
to
highlight.
Actually
that
is
being
done
in
a
current
resurfacing
project
and
it
is
still
ongoing.
But
I
think
it's
a
good
discussion
about
how
to
make
the
corridors
safer
for
all
users
and
all
options
are
on
the
table
and
on
this
slide
are
some
renderings.
V
On
my
left
hand,
side
there
are
renderings
of
what
the
possible
improvements
on
the
bridge
could
look
like
and
on
the
right
hand,
side
are
just
some
placeholders,
because
that
ongoing
project
is
developing
concepts,
they're
still
being
vetted,
and
we
hope
to
update
this
project
with
those
concepts.
V
And
what
we
you
know
just
wanted
to
highlight
was
well
then,
in
the
long
term,
probably
need
to
consider
some
crossing
locations.
V
Make
use
of
some
gateway
features,
existing
enhance
them
or
have
an
enhanced
crossing
locations,
as
shown
here
on
the
slide
and
on
this
slide
are
some
renderings,
and
we
want
to
emphasize
for,
for
this,
segment
was
probably
very
important.
Is
that
landscaping
that
hard
scaping
possibilities
here
as
the
corridor
transitions
to
a
more
urban
setting?
V
Redevelop,
okay
and
for
the
final
segment,
the
south
punta
gorda
segment
from
airport
road
to
to
taylor
road.
This
segment
definitely
caused
a
lot
of
conversations.
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
thank
you
for
all
that
that
input,
and
what
we
see
here,
is
that
this
area
is
suburban
and
we
expect
it
to
continue
to
be
suburban
in
the
future.
V
But
in
additional
conversations
we
realize
maybe
what's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
we
had
so
many
comments
of
people
sharing
their
issues
with
trying
to
navigate
this
segment
of
us
41
is
that
the
roadway
was
built
more
with
a
rural
setting
in
mind,
and
this
area
has
already
suburbanized
and
by
suburbanization
I
mean
there.
Are
your
businesses,
your
grocery
stores
and
right
behind
that
are
your
neighborhoods.
V
So
for
this
segment,
we
wanted
to
highlight
that
at
various
intersections
along
it
in
the
future,
as
more
development
comes
in
to
be
mindful
of
looking
at
the
the
possible
treatments
at
these
intersections
to
better
accommodate
what
we
heard
was
some
multimodal
improvements
for
people
who
want
to
access
the
trail
on
the
other
side,
as
well
as
some
operational
considerations.
J
So
on
this
sort
of
comment:
yes
back
to
the
previous
slide
and
you
you
have,
on
the
right
hand,
side
posted
speed,
limit,
50
to
60
miles
an
hour
and
consider
target
speed
of
45..
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about
as
those
of
us
who
live
down
in
this
part
of
the
community.
J
I
mean
when
I
first
visited
pentagon,
there
were
hardly
any
homes,
and
you
know
there
weren't
that
many
homes
in
bsi
now
it's
you
know
there,
aren't
that
many
vacant
lots,
so
it's
really
much
more
citified
and,
and
so
as
we
make
suggestions
on
on
recommendations
to
address
issues,
I
feel
like
sometimes
fdot
just
looks
at
us
like
we're
as
residents
who
live
there,
crazy
and
in
fact
bless
you,
but
it's
we're
really
serious
and
what
we
want
to
be
taken
seriously.
J
So
when
we
talk
about
consideration
of
the
solution
that
fdot
used
on
diplomat,
parkway
in
north
fort
myers,
to
address
just
traffic
wanting
to
go
northbound
on
us
41,
we
would
like
to
be
taken
seriously
when
we
say
that
would
be
a
perfect
solution
for
madrid,
boulevard
and
fdot
just
keeps
saying:
no!
No!
No,
and
we
keep
saying
yes,
yes,
yes,
so
I
would
I
just
have
to
I
couldn't
let
this
opportunity
go.
J
J
Years
and
we
keep
saying
you
know-
please
listen
to
us-
the
conditions
have
changed
and
now
there's
going
to
be
an
apartment,
complex
being
built
right
across
the
the
railroad
tracks
right
on
johnson
road
off
of
300
units
I
mean
and
and
someone's
looking
at
putting
in
homes
south
of
jones
loop
road
in
in
the
terracap
area.
It's
just
going
to
get
more
urban
and-
and
we.
K
J
An
urban
solution,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
push
traffic
through
the
neighborhoods
and
fdot,
continues
to
want
to
push
traffic
through
the
neighborhoods
and
and,
and
it
is
as
if
to
say,
I'm
so
sad
too
bad,
and
I
think
I
think
to
what
mayor
matthews
has
been
talking
about
at
rio.
Villa
is
another
issue.
It
is
that
you
know
you
want
to
push
the
traffic
up
bainard
and
that's
not
even
a
safe
street
and
you're
going
to
push
the
traffic
up
us
unsafe,
neighborhood
street.
I
don't
get
it.
J
J
J
V
So
on
this
rendering
we
are
showing,
you
know,
consider
curb
and
gutter
consider
some
thoughtful
landscaping
to
provide
a
sense
of
enclosure.
There
is
already
a
trail
on
one
side
of
the
roadway
that
provides
a
bit
of
friction.
You
know
consider
if
it
makes
sense
to
have
the
trail
on
the
other
side
along
this
segment
as
well
and,
of
course,
to
consider
drainage.
V
This
truly
is
a
a
big
vision,
a
long-term
project,
but
it
might
make
sense,
given
the
context
and
the
future
growth
we
see
in
this
area
and
as
well
on
this
side
we
do
highlight,
you
know,
there's
a
need
for
some
formalized
access
management,
which
I
know
is
being
discussed
and
in
this
current
resurfacing
project.
V
That
might
be
some
continued
discussions
and
as
well,
to
highlight
a
lot
of
the
comments
we
heard
during
the
public
input
in
the
near
mid
term.
There
might
be
a
need
to
consider
if
it
makes
sense
to
have
a
potential
biped
crossing
in
front
of
the
neighborhoods
just
a
way
for
people
to
more
clearly
and
more
safely,
get
to
the
the
shared
use
path.
Since
we
know
there's
only
a
few
signalized
intersections
in
this
segment.
V
We
expect
it
to
continue
this
way
into
the
future
and
what
we
wanted
to
highlight
there
should
be
some
consideration
in
the
long
term
to
consider
speed
management
in
this
segment
as
well,
since
it
leads
into
the
city
we're
looking
at
the
intersection
of
tucker's
grade
and
us-41,
maybe
in
the
future
it
could
be
bold
and
consider
a
multimodal
improvement
there,
maybe
even
a
roundabout
we're
at
least
putting
the
idea
out
there,
and
I
I
apologize.
I
I
clearly
said
something
wrong:.
A
V
Sincerely,
we
recently
heard
about
this,
as
we
were,
putting
together
this
presentation
and
that's
why
I
kind
of
wanted
to
be
clear
about
our
internal.
You
know
thoughts
on
my
team
for
this
project,
but
maybe
it's
better
to
emphasize
it
like
this,
since
there
seems
to
be
an
opportunity
to
think
about
this
intersection
and
given
everything
I
said
about,
if
there's
opportunities
for
speed
management
or
really
thinking
through
the
treatments
that
can
occur
at
the
intersection
that
are
multimodal
really,
what
we
would
have
to
do.
V
Anyways
is
an
ice
analysis
and
look
at
all
of
the
options.
That
is
really
what
I
would
like
to
propose
when
we
have
the
opportunities
to
to
really
discuss
what
makes
sense
in
the
area
beyond
this
intersection,
though,
the
recommendation
for
the
rural
part
was
to
stay
with
the
same
context.
Actually,
it
could
become
an
asset
and
think
of
it
as
a
rural
parkway.
V
What
we
hope
to
do
in
the
next
steps
is
to
refine
these
recommendations
and
strategy,
given
all
the
input
from
the
boards,
hopefully
work
with
your
staff
to
make
these
final
revisions
make
sure
the
brochure
is
supportive
of
what
is
wanted
and
then
hopefully
come
back
in
the
future
for
a
resolution
of
support.
That
is
focus
again
on
what
is
wanted
and
make
sense
to
partner
on
in
the
long
term,
and
we
will
update
the
website
with
the
final
materials
that
we
all
agree
upon.
J
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
betsy
for
listening
to
us,
and
this
has
come
a
long
way
since
with
the
the
session
that
we
had
a
long
time
ago,
and
while
we
can
talk
here,
I
was
just
gonna
say:
mayor
matthews,
the
diplomat
park.
Parkway
may
be
a
good
solution
for
rio
villa
so
you
might
want
to
use
that
in
your
discussions
and
look
at
diplomat
parkway,
because
the
reason
why
we
focus
on
diplomat
parkway
is
it
only
signalizes,
the
southbound
lane.
J
It
keeps
the
northbound
lane
going
because
there
is
nothing
across
the
there's,
there's
nothing
across
the
highway
from
it.
So
it
keeps
the
northbound
lane
going
it.
It
prevents
the
t-bone
activity
crashes
and-
and
we
just
think
it's
a
an
optimal
solution
for
everyone,
and
it
keeps
that
will
keep
people
out
of
the
neighborhoods
which
off
of
the
the
streets
that
aren't
built
for
the
the
traffic
and
if
we
could
just
get
us
the
fdot
to
to
listen
to
us.
A
Will
cheer
you
on?
First
of
all.
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
thank
you
nancy.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
our
comments,
because
there's
obviously
some
disagreement.
On
a
few
of
these
things.
I'm
very
happy
to
report
that
fdot
has
informed
me
that
ackline
road
will
be
kept
open.
The
median
will
be
kept
open.
A
Thankfully,
since
in
the
past
three
weeks
we
had
two
massive
accidents
down
at
that
intersection
between
jones
loop
and
acline,
road
on
41
and
first
responders,
coming
out
of
the
fire
station
on
akline
road
had
to
get
to
41
very
quickly,
for
both
of
those
one
was
very
serious.
Homes
had
to
be
evacuated
because
there
was
a
gas
leak
and
it
could
have
been
really
potentially
horrible
if
we
didn't
have
that
access.
A
A
Villa
that's
very
concerning
to
me,
and
there
has
to
be
a
better
way-
and
I
have
asked
wayne
gaither
to
please
come
to
the
city
and
meet
with
me
in
my
car
with
anybody
else
from
fdot
that
wants
to
come,
and
I
will
take
you
around
and
show
you
what
I'm
talking
about
that
intersection
is
horrible.
The
way
it's
designed
right
now,
but
you
cannot
route
people
through
the
neighborhood
onto
baynard
road
baynard.
Road
first
of
all,
is
a
county
road.
A
It
is
barely
passable
for
two
cars
to
pass
each
other
and
it's
poorly
maintained,
and
they
have
no
intention
of
fixing
it
at
the
county.
It's
not
important
to
them,
because
it's
in
the
middle
of
our
city-
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
streets
that
it
just
gets
not
paid
too
much
attention
to.
But
you
can't
route
tractor-trailer
deliveries
on
and
off
of
baynard
road.
It's
it's
going
to
be
horrible.
A
S
One
this
is
a
different
question,
four
or
before
olympia,
which
is
u.s
17
between
u.s,
41
and
cooper
street
is,
if
not
responsible
for
repaving,
because
that's
something
that's
been
brought
up
is
that
that
road?
If
you
look
at
marion
the
same
stretch,
it's
very
good
and
past
75
is
very
good,
but
that
area
there
it's
in
need
of
repaving
and
didn't
know
whether
that's
something
yes.
V
Yes,
that's
your
world!
I
will
take
that
back
and
I'm
saying
I'm
taking
it
back
because
we
have
lately
been
surprised
about
what
is
and
isn't
on
the
state
roadway
system
so
I'll.
Take
that
back
and
follow
up
with
your
stuff.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
That
is,
that
is
something
that
commissioner
constance
and
I
have
been
pushing
for
at
the
mpo
meetings,
and
I
think
I
see
mr
harrell
in
the
back
of
the
room.
I
think
that's
possibly
going
to
be
done
in
the
mid
2025
range
25
26
time
frame
we've
had
because
they
they
had
it
planned
from
cooper
to
75,
and
we've
asked
for
it
to
be
extended
all
the
way
to
41,
because
it
is
in
very
bad
shape
and
I
frequently
get
emails
about
that
yeah.
Thank
you.
V
I
actually
have
one
more
slide
and
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
some
time
to
quickly
go
over
it,
but
we
want
to
share
with
everyone
some
safety
messages.
V
The
department
is
sincerely
committed
to
vision,
zero,
reducing
or
actually
eliminating
fatalities
and
serious
injuries
on
our
roadways
and
for
today's
message
I
just
want
to
highlight
for
everyone
to
please
be
mindful
of
your
speed
and
slow
down
to
ensure
you
arrive
at
your
location
safely
over
the
past
two
decades,
we've
seen
about
a
third
of
the
fatalities
have
speeding,
as
is
one
of
the
issues
and
involved
so
again,
just
please
slow
down,
so
you
arrive
safely.
A
P
P
The
project
had
been
requested
by
the
city
back
in
2010,
and
it
made
its
way
up
the
prioritization
list
and
transportation
improvement
program
list.
Local
funds
were
committed
to
the
project
and
the
proposed
project
was
to
improve
the
pedestrian
facilities
through
the
addition
of
concrete
pavers
and
tree
wells
in
the
utility
strips
as
staff
was
preparing
to
award
the
design
fdot
did
request
that
we
paused
the
project,
as
they
were
reviewing
it
along
with
another
one
of
their
projects.
P
At
this
point,
fdot
has
indicated
that
the
existing
project,
the
lab
approved
agreement,
is
not
workable
and
the
project
would
be
better
delivered
by
fdot,
in
as
it
is
on
the
state
highway
system.
Therefore,
they
are
requesting
a
reset
of
the
project
to
allow
for
their
team
to
re-scope
the
project
accurately
assessing
the
community
needs.
Fdot
is
requesting.
Z
All
right,
thanks
joe
all
right,
dejuan
harris
design,
project
manager,
fdot,
I'm
here
we're
requesting
concurrence
with
what
everything
joan
just
said.
We
would
also
like
a
resolution
to
terminate
the
current
design
agreement
and
as
she
as
she
stated,
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
or
any
concerns
with
the
path
moving
forward.
Z
Z
F
I
think
there
were
some
decorative
lighting
issues
where
we
would
have
to
formally
approve
agreements
for
the
decorative
lighting
portion
of
that
there
was
also
an
overlap
of
two
projects
which
you
can't
have
two
projects
funded
with
an
overlap
like
that.
We
have
to
really
change
the
scope
and
make
it
into
one
project.
If
I
understand
correctly
right.
Z
The
standard
lighting,
any
upgrades
would
be
any
upgrades
would
be
would
have
to
be
paid
for
by
the
city,
and
there
were
pavers
listed
in
the
scope
that
typically
fdlt
does
not
pay
for
pavers
on
the
state.
Roadway
system
will
pay
for
hardscape,
however
pavers
we
that
were
what
would
require
a
design
exception.
So
there
were
several
items
that
that
just
drew
red
flags
so.
F
Z
That's
correct
and
the
project
it
was
scoped
as
an
npo
funded
project,
and
it
was
the
intent
was
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
to
lead
it
as
a
local
agency
program
project,
which
is
a
lab
project
and
lab
projects.
C
I,
if
I
understand
we're
being
asked
the
city
is
being
asked
to
do
a
resolution
to
terminate
and
that's
not
one
of
the
options
so
either
the
dot
under
the
terms
of
the
agreement
gives
us
a
notification
of
their
intent
to
terminate
and
indicating
a
termination
date
and
instructions
and
whatever-
and
we
accept
that
or
we
do
a
mutual
determination
which
dot
can
take
the
lead
and
we
can.
We
can
then
sign
it.
C
I
believe
it
might
be
appropriate
for
you
to
exp
by
motion
express
your
agreement
to
allow
for
termination
and
then
have
the
proper
paperwork
done.
But
there
is
no
provision
for
us
to
adopt
a
resolution
unilaterally
terminating
the
agreement
under
the
terms
of
the
contract.
P
It's
been
in
the
prime
capital
improvement
project
plan,
but
we
have
not.
You
stopped
it
before
we
awarded
the
project
and.
F
A
Z
Our
goal
was
to
have
betsy's
group
to
do
a
quasi
planning
study
within
the
next
two
to
four
months
or
our
with
within
the
next
year
or
so,
and
after
that,
our
4p
group
is
4p,
stands
for
planning
priority
programming
process,
they're
going
to
take
a
real,
deep
dive
engineering
assessment
to
see
what
can
actually
be
done
in
the
corridor
and
then
from
there
we'll
design.
The
project
design
is
typically
two
years
after
design
of
the
project.
F
And
bear
in
mind
that
that
design-
none
of
that
has
occurred
yet
anyway.
So
I
think
realistically,
if
you're
looking
at
you
know
re-configuring
this
whole
project
and
we're
looking
out
through
26,
now
we're
probably
in
the
27
range
before
we
can
really
get
anything.
I
think,
with
the
understanding
that
nothing's
going
to
happen
right
now
and
no
money
is
officially
allocated
next
fiscal.
Your
fiscal
year
starts
july
1st.
J
Points
yes,
I
would
want
to
be
assured
by
fdot
that
this
wouldn't
be
go
to
the
back
of
the
list,
the
bottom
of
the
list
that
we
would
try
to
muster
the
resources
to
keep
this
in
a
as
timely
as
we
can
so
that
it's
we're
not
really.
J
That
that's
my
concern
is
you
know
I
I
understand
that
fdot
has
really
put
together
some
planning
teams
now
that's
doing
things
differently,
which
is
a
good
thing.
Yes,
and
that's
so
I
can
respect
that
and
they
may
have.
I'm
surprised
that
we,
if
some
of
these
things,
are
fatal
flaws
that
these
fatal
flaws.
Weren't
pointed
out
prior
to
this
point
in
time,
because
this
discussion's
been
going
on
for
several
years.
J
A
C
Actually,
actually,
I
think
to
keep
it
simple
and
to
expedite
it
and
also
to
avoid
some
language.
That's
in
the
paragraph
as
it
relates
to
mutual
agreement
that
may
or
may
not
somehow
take
us
off
track.
The
simplest
thing
under
the
is
just
simply
have
d.o.t
notify
us
that
you're
terminating
the
agreement-
and
you
heard
that
there's
no
objection
from
the
city
council
for
the
city
for
d.o.t.
To
do
that.
I
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
do
it.
Well,
I.
J
I
would
say
that
what
if
they
are
going
to,
if
you're
going
to
do
what
mr
levin
suggested,
that
fdot
needs
to
include
in
the
language,
and
we
agree
to
keep
this
project
on
track
or
as
close
to
being
on
track
as
possible,
realizing
that
you
say
you
know
going
to
the
planning
team
this
may,
but
that
they
like
reprioritize,
so
that
this
project
isn't
like
we're.
Not.
You
know,
two
years
from
now
going
hey
what
happened
to
it.
You
know.
K
A
F
Understand
that,
but
that's
not
exactly
what
he
was
saying
right.
He
was
saying
that
we
provide
a
letter
that
says:
d.o.t
should
draft
a
letter
to
us
and
that
we're
okay
with
them
terminating
the
agreement.
If
they
keep
it
on
track
and
then
they
would
provide
that
letter
to
us
so
that
it
was
a
joint
termination
without
being
a
joint
termination.
F
Z
F
K
A
C
F
Be
good,
yes,
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that's
made
this
a
priority
from
the
state's
perspective
is
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
and
the
need
to
clean
up
projects
that
are
still
hanging
out
there
and
need
additional
work.
Well,.
F
F
And
you
know
knowing
also
that
realistically,
when
we
do
this,
whether
we
you
know
agreed
or
not,
that
we're
going
to
have
a
phase,
that's
going
to
take
almost
up
to
a
year
to
do
some
study,
work
from
bessie
and
then
we're
going
to
have
another
planning
period,
two
years
worth
of
design
and
then
construction.
So
we're
several
years
out
on
this,
I
would
say,
is
accurate.
Z
I
wouldn't
say
for
sure,
but
we're
more.
It's.
K
Z
Would
all
be
contingent
upon
what's
found
in
the
planning
study
and
I
know
there's
another
project
side
by
side
carmelita,
that's
also
going
to
require
planning
study,
so
there
may
be
some
opportunities
to
coincide
the
planning
studies,
but
that
would
be
great
that.
Z
A
You
can
tell
elkay
and
wayne
that
I
know
where
they
live.
F
And
we
do
appreciate
mr
gaither,
you
know
contacting
us
and
providing
a
lot
more
information
on
this
to
kind
of
detail
out
how
we
move
forward
on
this.
To
still
make
our
project
happen,.
A
Dwan,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
we'll
look
forward
to
seeing
more
about
this
good.
F
A
Yes,
we
are
okay,
okay,
I
have
been
asked
if
we
would
please
move
up
to
further
agenda
items
before
we
get
into
our
budget
stuff,
so
with
everyone's
approval,
I
would
like
to
move
up
8a
the
deborah
drive,
relocation
and
also
9
a1.
The
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
is
everyone:
okay,
with
that?
Okay,
all
right.
So
the
next
agenda
item
will
be
8a.
2701,
deborah
drive,
driveway
relocation.
L
L
And
included
three
driveways,
which
are
now
considered
existing
non-conforming
it
back
in
1990,
would
probably
have
required
a
variance.
We
did
not
have
the
special
exception
requirements
for
a
third
driveway
until
2016.
L
L
So
in
looking
at
this
with
legal,
we
have
a
section
in
chapter
26,
section
17.2,
parent
c-
that
the
request
can
be
considered
by
city
council
after
review
and
recommendation
by
the
planning
commission.
So
this
is
under
our
non-conformities,
less
intense
non-conforming
use,
a
non-conforming
use
may
be
changed
to
another
equal
or
less
intense
non-conforming
use
pursuant
to
approval
by
the
city
council,
upon
review
and
recommendation
of
the
planning
commission
when
such
change
is
not
detrimental
to
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
the
surrounding
area.
L
X
A
Thank
you,
okay,
okay,
so
no.
R
A
R
A
Going
to
discuss
the
the
electric
vehicle
charging
station
project
at
this
point.
A
R
A
F
So
with
this
discussion,
one
of
the
questions
was
when
it
was
determined
to
move
forward
was
whether
or
not
sponsorships
were
allowed
and
you've
reached.
F
Message
you
just
pick
up
the
handset
that
way
everyone.
Everyone
won't
hear
until
we
want
it
on
the
speaker,
so
they
had
said
that
sponsorships
were
indeed
allowed.
If
there
was
a
500
sponsored
dollar
sponsorship
for
each
station
fbl,
you
know
that'd
be
four
thousand
dollars
and
could
generally
cover
the
cost
of
electricity.
Fpl
themself
will
not
sponsor
any
of
these
things
and
when
they
talk
about
fast
charging
systems,
of
course,
that
was
not
one.
E
F
But
that
fast
charge
then,
of
course,
would
be
something
they
would
install
at
a
much
higher
expense
and
that's
what
they
try
to
recover.
But
the
eight
stations
are
the
ones
that
we've
been
offered.
Specifically,
you
can
put
up
something
that
says:
xyz
has
sponsored
the
electricity
to
services
station,
but
ultimately
the
city
is
still
responsible
for
if.
F
A
Exist,
I
have
to
say
that
this
has
been
one
of
the
more
controversial
subjects
we've
had
in
a
while
and
I've
received-
and
I
know
you
guys
have
all
received.
K
A
Number
of
emails
and
phone
calls
from
residents
about
this,
and
let
me
just
state
for
the
record
for
anyone
who
may
be
watching
by
video
city
council
has
not
voted
to
approve
these
at
this
point
in
time.
All
we
did
was
have
a
discussion
at
our
last
meeting.
It
was
not
consensus
to
move
it
forward
until
we
had
further
information
from
fpl.
A
So
at
this
point
we
have
found
out
from
fpl
that
it
would
be
possible,
as
mr
murray
has
stated,
it
would
be
possible
to
charge
or
to
solicit
sponsorships
from
local
businesses
who
would
advertise
their
business
on
the
charging
stations
to
offset
the
cost
of
electricity
so
that
it
would
not
be
a
tax
burden
for
our
residents,
and
that
is
the
discussion
we
need
to
have
today.
If
we
want
to
proceed
with
it,
we
would
have
to
go
out
and
solicit
sponsorships.
First
before
we
sign
the
contract
with
fpl
comments.
A
T
Well,
just
to
start
it
off,
I
think
if
there
were
sponsorships
for
all
the
stations
that
we
might
have,
I
would
be
agreeable
to
it.
I
have
nothing
against
the
stations
at
all.
I
think
the
right
way
to
go,
though,
is
to
have
stations
that
have
the
ability
to
charge
right
there
and
then
then
the
city's
outside
of
it,
and
we
still
have
stations
there
and
they
can
and
the
consumer
can
get
what
they
need.
J
Nancy,
I
brought
it
up
at
a
business
group
meeting
the
possibility
of
sponsorships
and
it
was
not
received
with
a
very
warm
response.
J
So
I
you
know
it
was
just
didn't
get
a
good
reaction
and
I
don't
know
if
that
means
that
you
know
businesses
didn't
want
to
be
associated
with
it
or
or
what
and
it
it
seems
to
me
all.
We've
all
I've
received
is
feedback
that
this
shouldn't
be
something
the
city
should
be
doing.
It
should
be
a
private
sector.
J
J
J
If
it
could
be
justified
so
so
there
we
go.
The.
A
The
issue
for
fpl
is
that
this
is
a
pilot
program
that
they're
introducing
in
selected
cities
and
the
fast
charging
the
level
three
chargers
which
are
the
super
fast
chargers
are
only
normally
located
at
interstate
highway
locations,
so
people
can
jump
on
and
jump
off,
and
that
was
what
their
original
conversation
with
us
was
about.
A
So
the
level
two
chargers
would
take
substantially
more
time
would
be
more
the
stuff
that
we
would
be
putting
in
the
city
center
area,
where
there's
local
businesses
close
by
that
would
benefit
from
having
additional
people
come
in
to
the
community
and
and
force
a
little
bit
more
economic
development
opportunity.
Jaha
I
mean.
S
I'm
I'm
fully
in
support
of
us
continuing
the
path
we're
on.
I
think
that,
if
we're
looking
at
within
five
years,
some
I
mean
within
this
real
basically
would
say:
2025
a
quarter
of
the
vehicles
will
be
electric.
I
think
that
we
would
be
remiss
in
leadership
if
we
didn't
make
the
city,
so
it's
able
to
avail
of
what
is
the
trend
that
florida
is
going
on.
I
find
that
if
we
don't
make
ourselves
a
place
for
people
to
be
able
to
stop
here,
they
won't
stop
here.
S
They'll
stop
in
places
where
they
can
stop
and
as
we're
going
to
go
into
our
budget
conversation.
We're
going
to
see
at
this
point
now
we're
going
to
have
a
conversation
about
raising
the
military,
because
we
don't
have
enough
revenues
and
basically
to
receive
free
infrastructure
which
we're
just
paying
a
small
power
bill.
To
enable
this,
I
I
feel
that
that's
the
responsible
thing
to
do,
because
we're
going
to
actually
bring
additional
revenues
which
will
benefit
the
city
I
find
this
is
this.
S
S
This
is
an
infrastructure
that
we
need,
and
I
think
in
this
case
I
do
see
this
is
actually
harmful
and
not
doing
it
because
we
want
we,
because
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
be
a
place
that
people
when
they
travel
they
can
come
to
pineapple
without
worrying
that
their
car
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
home,
and
I
think
that
that's
positive
and
with
time
as
more
vehicles
come
then
other
people
can
build
their
own
private
chargers.
But
in
this
case,
what's
what's
provided
to
us
are
free
chargers
of
these
level.
S
R
R
When
you
have
a
charging
station
in
your
city,
you
are
on
the
charging
app.
There
is
a
mobile
app.
My
20
and
21
year
old
grandsons
were
here
this
last
week
and
I
got
quite
a
lesson
on
all
the
apps
that
I'm
not
using
that
are
out
there
to
use,
and
that
was
one
that
they
showed
me
and
it
actually
one
of
the
apps.
You
could
you
touched
on
the
button
and
it
told
you
what
restaurants
were
nearby
the
charging
station.
So
not
only
is
it
free,
it's
it's
four
thousand
dollars
worth
of
advertising.
R
What
amazes
me
is
that
the
minute
you
call
it
electricity,
everybody
got
so
proprietary
because
it's
their
electricity
that
we're
giving
away.
Well,
we
give
away
their
water
at
a
drinking
fountain.
We
give
away
their
wi-fi
at
some
of
our
wi-fi
spots
to
me.
It's
all
the
same.
It's
all
marketing
and
I
think
if,
if
yes,
I
would
like
to
put
some
in
that
we
had,
we
got
cha,
we
got
to
charge
for,
but
there's
no
way
we
could
afford
it.
R
T
Y
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
move
forward
with
the
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
with
sponsorships
to
offset
the
cost
of
electricity.
Any
further
discussion.
A
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
aye
opposed
aye
hi
motion
carries
three
to
two,
so
we
will
start
looking
for
sponsorships
from
area
businesses
to
see
who
might
be
interested.
I
already
know
of
one,
so
I
will
share
that
with
the
city
manager
and
we'll
start
looking
into
how
we
proceed
forward.
A
Okay,
okay,
consent
agenda.
Does
anyone
want
to
pull
anything
from
the
consent
agenda
all
right?
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
F
AA
Yeah,
I
could
do
it
probably
by
her
so
good
morning.
Thank
you.
We're
going
to
start
out
our
budget
discussion
with
the
construction
funds,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
going
to
be
things
you've
already
seen,
because
a
lot
of
these
projects
have
been
on
the
books
and
have
been
moving
forward,
but
I'll
go
through
it
and
I'm
going
to
only
point
out
the
ones
that
have
had
changes
or
if
you
have
questions
on
a
specific
project.
AA
AA
AA
Now
we
get
into
the
list-
and
I
know
it's
hard
to
see
on
the
screen,
but
a
lot
of
these
again,
you
have
seen
so
we
have
the
first
three
projects
are
normal
projects
that
we
do
every
year.
If
any
of
these
projects
do
not
use
all
of
their
funds,
we
do
carry
them
over
to
the
next
year
and
that's
to
accumulate
for,
say,
a
bigger
project.
AA
AA
The
lashley
park
playground
in
an
interactive
fountain
again
that
project
is
still
going
on,
and
that
has
two
funding
sources.
It's
50
000
from
general
fund,
as
well
as
some
funds
from
the
cra,
so
that
is
still
ongoing,
and
that
is
the
only
reason
why
it's
still
on
this
sheet,
because
it's
prior
year
funding
the
wooden
park
pathways
and
pier
pilings
again
public
works
thinks
a
hundred
thousand
per
year
is
still
needed.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
The
railroad
crossing
rehabilitation
currently
in
the
program
are
four
scheduled
rehabilitations
for
four
intersections,
where
the
railroads
are
in
the
first
year.
The
250
000
is
for
mckenzie
street.
These
prices
are
good
through
october,
4th
with
the
railroad.
If
we
do
not
agree
prior
prior
to
that,
then
the
pricing
could
go
up.
However,
as
part
of
our
contract
with
the
railroad,
the
city
is
required
to
participate
in
those
improvements.
AA
On
the
grant
funding
side,
we
go
into
the
next
section
of
funding
for
the
general
construction
fund.
You
just
had
a
discussion
about
the
us-41
airport
to
carmelita
project,
so
originally
it
was
going
to
be
a
grant
funded
project
and
there
was
349
000
that
you'll
see
again
on
the
one
percent
sales
tax
that
will
be
funded
from
sales
tax.
So
if
that
project
doesn't
move
forward
or
is
moved
out
some
years,
you
would
have
those
funds
available
for
another
project.
AA
In
the
meantime,
the
drainage
improvements
for
boca
grand
area
is
now
also
on
this
particular
sheet,
because
we
heard
from
the
state
that
we
did
receive
a
million
dollar
appropriation
and
we
don't
have
the
paperwork
yet,
but
so
we
put
it
in
the
plan,
though
this
project
has
increased
and
cost
almost
a
million
dollars
as
well.
So,
even
though
we
did
receive
that
you'll
see
that
the
cost
went
up
on
this
project
based
on
the
new
construction
materials
costs.
AA
AA
For
the
park
impact
fees
last
year,
when
we
were
doing
budgeting,
it
was
right
as
covid
was
hitting
and
everything
like
that,
and
we
were
being
very
conservative
on
what
we
were
budgeting
for
revenue
and
we
were
using
the
consultants,
consultant's
impact
fee
report,
and
we
did
75
percent
of
revenue
rather
than
the
full
100
percent.
That
was
in
the
consultants
report,
because
we
weren't
sure
if
we
were
going
to
have
some
decreases
in
construction
at
the
time.
AA
We
did
not
see
that
so
this
plan
includes
moving
those
back
up
to
the
consultants,
100
estimates
for
those
years,
and
that
gives
us
145
000
available
each
year
for
projects
in
the
parks.
We
have
a
couple.
The
two
projects
moving
forward.
First,
are
the
nature
park
trail,
as
well
as
the
henry
street
improvements
and
just
depends,
which
ones
are
available.
First,
we'll
use
those
funds
first
and
then
keep
moving
on
to
the
next
project
for
the
mobility
impacts,
which
was
previously
transportation
impacts.
AA
We
have
our
regular
sidewalk
improvements,
but
in
the
first
couple
years
we're
going
to
have
the
king
street
improvements,
which
we
just
talked
about
again.
That's
the
80
percent
and
then
the
complete
street
airport
road
improvements.
Originally
in
this
project,
it
was
estimated
250
000
would
come
from
impact
fees
and
we'll
see
this
project
on
the
one
percent
sales
tax
slide
as
well.
AA
This
project
did
go
up
in
cost
and
we
could
possibly
have
additional
funds
that
could
go
to
that
project
from
these
impact
fees
in
the
out
years
for
public
safety
impacts
right
now,
all
funds
that
are
going
to
be
accumulated
are
expected
to
go
to
the
public
safety
expansion
at
this
time.
So
this
is
a
million
dollars
so
far
that
could
be
used
for
that
project,
which
is
what
we
originally
estimated
as
we
move
out
to
another
year,
we
may
have
some
additional
funds
as
well.
Yes,.
R
Kristen,
why
is
there
no
total.
AA
Yes,
correct
that
project
was
scheduled
for
the
out
years.
It
was
actually
design
was
supposed
to
start
in
fiscal
year
24.
So
we
would
start
with
the
design
from
the
one
percent,
and
then
the
construction
costs
will
come
from.
Part
of
them
will
come
from
here
in
25
and
26.,
and
then
the
last
one
on
here
again
is
just
to
keep
you
apprised
of
us.
AA
The
ponce
de
leon
park
improvements
and
this
700
000
from
the
prior
years
is
fisherman's
from
the
fisherman's
village
sale
and
some
of
these
funds
have
already
been
spent,
but
we
are
moving
forward
with
other
improvements
as
well
any
questions
so
far,
so
for
the
1
sales
tax
fund.
This
is
fiscal
year
21
through
the
fiscal
year
27
extension
period,
and
we
did
increase
the
revenue
projections
because
we're
using
what
we're
really
getting
and
we're
pretty
much
back
up
to
where
we
were
prior
to
kovid.
AA
However,
you
will
see
that
some
of
our
construction
estimates
have
also
gone
up
again
because
of
those
record
increases
that
we're
currently
experiencing
and
again
we
do
show
you
just
the
pro
forma
look.
This
is
just
the
five
year
look,
but
on
the
next
slide,
we'll
have
the
through
27
and
again,
you
do
see
here
on
fiscal
year,
2022
as
when
we
talked
in
january
and
made
our
plan
there's
two
million
dollars
as
an
interfund
loan
to
get
going
with
the
city,
hall,
rehabilitation
and
again
that
was
to
be
repaid
in
fiscal
year
2025..
AA
AA
However,
there
are
some
projects
that
have
increased
in
cost
and
we'll
kind
of
go
over
them,
and
we
will
talk
about
ponce
de
leon
park
for
just
a
moment:
total
cost
for
all
types
of
improvements
from
when
peace,
river
will
move
out
and
we
may
redesign
the
park.
But
you
know
the
restrooms
need
some
work
and
cost
of
the
playground
and
any
of
those
type
of
improvements.
AA
Current
estimate
is
two
point:
almost
three
million
dollars
there,
so
you
have
1.8
million
unfunded
at
this
time,
so
that
is
in
the
plan,
for
if
at
any
time
we
want
to
move
something
forward
in
that
area
after
we
spend
the
fishermen's
village
funds
as
well
as
305
000.
That
was
already
located
here.
Oh
very
nice.
AA
Is
that
something
new,
so
we
talked
about
the
complete
street
airport
road
improvements.
So
this
is
the
one
that
went
up
approximately
186
000,
so
we
did
leave
it
out
over
an
unidentified
funding,
so
unfunded,
and
we
again
we
may
have
some
of
those
funds
coming
from
impact
fees
to
cover
that.
AA
We
talked
about
the
airport
to
carmelita,
so
there's
that
349
000
that
you
know
could
be
used
for
something
else
at
this
time.
AA
AA
F
And
if
we
do
not,
then
that's
another
place.
We
need
to
look
for
funds
to
see
how
we
proceed
with
freeman
house
and
look
at
the
engineering.
That's
currently
in
process
to
see
what
is
required
and
if
there's
anything
that
you
may
want
to
not
do.
If
it's
able
to
do
that,
then
we
don't
have
the
grant
funds.
AA
We
talked
about
the
drainage
improvements
with
boca
grand.
So
again,
that's
the
one
that
currently
you
can
see
out
there.
I
left
the
900
000
in
unfunded
tier
two.
It
would
have
gone
away,
but
because
the
cost
of
the
project
went
up,
we
had
to
leave
it
in
there,
as
well
as
the
additional
106
000
unfunded.
AA
AA
Everything
else
is
has
remained
the
same
since
january
as
far
as
the
projects,
but
I
would
like
to
point
out
towards
the
bottom
because
of
the
increased
revenue
you
do
now
have
additional
funds
to
either
move
some
projects
forward
or
allocate
some
additional
funds
to
the
projects
that
need
it.
If
you
want
to
do
that
at
this
time
or
have
a
discussion
and
we
can
always
do
it
later,
what
would
you
like
to
do.
J
Comments,
nancy:
I
will
just
comment
on
the
drainage
improvements
for
the
boca
grand,
given
that
we
received
money
from
the
state.
J
I
know
that
when
we
received
money
from
the
state
for
the
vietnam
wall,
the
money
was
to
be
used
in
the
year
in
one
year.
So
I,
while
I
don't
think
we've
seen
any
of
the
what
the
state
is
saying.
I
would
suggest
that
the
state's
probably
going
to
expect
us
to
use
that
money
right
away,
and
so
it
would
seem
that
we
probably
need
to
make
that
a
priority
and
use
those
funds
and
finish
the
project.
I
think.
J
Not
only
has
it
been
way
too
long,
but
the
state's
going
to
expect
us
to
use
it.
Our
legislative
delegation
went
to
bat
for
us,
yes,
and
when
I
was
at
the
economic
development
partnership
meeting
representative
grant
came
up
to
me
and
said
there
will
be
more
next
year
there.
J
There
will
be
more
funds
next
year,
so
it's
like.
I
think
we
need
to
show
them.
Thank
you
and
use
it.
So
we
can
then
get
more
funds
for
subject
to
sewer.
That
kind
of
thing.
A
Yeah,
I
I
totally
agree
with
that
and
I
sent
immediate
thank
you
letters
to
all
the
delegation
that
just
happened
three
minutes
after
our
meeting
adjourned
at
the
last
meeting,
but
the
the
one
million
dollars
being
approved
was
a
major
thing
for
the
city.
That's
the
first
time,
we've
ever
gotten
an
appropriation
of
that
level
from
the
state
and
we
sent
immediate
letters
to
all
all
the
legislators,
and
I
also
sent
a
letter
to
the
governor
thanking
him
for
so.
J
He
did
get
four
million
dollars
a
number
of
years
ago
when
we
were
starting
our
ro
plant
project.
Yes,
so
that
was
a
significant
thing
at
that
point
in
time
yeah,
but
I
would
like
for
us
to
be
in
a
position
to
accept
with
open
arms
additional
funds.
Yes,
yes,.
AA
W
Good
morning
for
the
record,
rick
keaney,
director
of
public
works,
the
the
plans
are
not
complete
because
we
had
to
change
course
on
the
land
acquisition.
W
W
Our
city
attorney
is
in
the
process
of
finalizing
the
land
acquisition
on
the
last
lot
or
two
that
we
need,
but
our
consultant
knows
about
the
new
plan
and
and
what
needs
to
take
place
so
once
that's
finaled
up,
then
they
can
complete
the
plans.
W
What
we
would
do
is
probably
take
a
phased
approach,
because
we
know
we
need
a
retention
pond.
So
if
we
didn't
have
all
the
funds
at
one
time,
we
could
phase
approach
the
project,
meaning
we
could
start
with
the
bond
one
year,
and
you
know
go
outward
with
this
with
the
ditches
and
the
new
pipes
he's.
F
K
W
C
Well,
we
were
supposed
to
close
and
we're
having
difficulties,
communicating
with
the
seller
to
get
documentation,
things
that
need
to
be
put
together.
Paperwork
for
the
closing.
Neither
one
of
them
are
simple,
because
there's
a
number
of
errors
and
people
that
are
involved
in
it
so
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
we'll
get
it
done,
but
we're
you
know
trying
to
avoid
having
to
go
to
court
and
but
that
may
be
our
are
the
only
avenue
if
we
can't
communicate
with
with
the
pi
the
with
the
with
the
sellers.
C
Get
that
closed
and
then
show
the
other
property
owner
see.
This
is
what
you
know
we're
offering.
This
is
what
the
other
people
are
willing
to
do
and
there's
a
snag
because
we
can't
get
if
we
can't
get
timely
information
back
from
that
seller,
which
is
it's
odd,
but
that's
what
it
is
and
they're
not
local.
C
W
Okay
and-
and
that's
that's
all
going
to
tie
in
because
once
we
get
the
plans
completed,
then
there's
you
know
permitting
they've
been.
Our
consultant
has
been
working
with
the
permitting
agencies,
but
all
this
has
all
got
to
come
together
and
it's
our
intentions
on
spending
the
money
next
year,
but
it
depends
on
how
all
this
comes
together
with
the
with
the
100
plans
and
the
permitting
and
and
but
that
would
be
our
intention
as
to
if
we
didn't
have
all
the
money
at
once
would
be
a
phased
approach.
W
J
J
and
mr
suriel,
from
the
four
points
has
mentioned.
As
requested.
This
he's
he's
he
requested
it
in
the
very
beginning
and
has
said
please:
can
you
put
the
decorative
lights
that
are
on
the
bridge
and
they're
everywhere
else
in
the
city?
But
not
here,
can
you
please
put
those
in
front
of
my
business
and
that's
who's?
Who
really
started
this
and
there
are
eight
lights
and
they
just
need
to
be
replaced,
so
I'm
just
putting
a
plug
in
for
it.
R
A
I
have
to
put
a
plug
in
from
my
traffic
light
on
burn
store
road
too.
That's
that's
a
really
big
thing
and
I
have
since
met
with
residents
from
some
of
the
housing
complexes
on
burnt
store
road,
and
that
is
one
of
their
high
priorities
and
they're
in
a
very,
very
bad
situation,
with
all
the
the
trucks
that
are
going
down,
burnt,
store
road
at
high
speeds
right
now,
and
I
have
to
I
have
to
fight
for
that
one.
A
That's
that's
a
project
that
I
think
we
can
get
cooperative
support
from
the
county
on
as
far
as
the
payment
of
the
traffic
light,
and
I
I'd
really
like
to
get
that
pushed
up
a
little
bit.
I
know
we
put
some
money
aside
in
the
in
the
tier
two
for
that
project,
but
I
do
think
that
we're
at
a
critical
break
point
for
the
residents
that
are
in
our
city
limits
that
live
off
a
barn
store
road
right
now.
J
So
it's
you
know
perceived
as
one
of
those
things
where
we
have
to
do
it
to
show
them.
Okay,
we
did
it
and
the
problem
still
exists
yeah.
So.
A
Well,
and
and
we've
already
done,
the
traffic
study
and
they
they've
said
that
it
does
warrant
a
light
there.
So
right.
But
you
know
in
my
meeting
that
I
just
had
a
couple
of
weeks
back
with,
with
residents
from
the
mobile
home
community
over
there,
they've
asked
for
a
couple
of
different
things.
A
That
would
hopefully
take
a
lot
of
the
noise
level
away
from
the
residents
that
are
in
especially
specifically
in
the
front
of
that
complex.
So
we're
looking
at
the
possibility
of
developing
an
entrance
off
of
our
street
that
goes
to
the
water
tower,
which
they
would
pay
for
the
improvements
to
do
the
the
crossover,
because
there
is
a
creek
there.
They
would
pay
for
the
improvements
to
go
across
the
creek
and
set
up
a
new
entrance
into
their
complex.
So
that
may
be
something
we
can
help
them
with.
K
AA
Any
other
questions
or
comments
at
this
time.
Okay,
then
we
go
on
to
the
unfunded
projects
in
the
first
half
of
the
list.
Are
the
projects
you've
already
seen
and
the
only
piece
that's
included
here
is
just
the
unfunded
portion,
and
that
was
just
so
that
we
could
give
you
a
grand
total
of
unfunded
costs
for
any
project
about
halfway
down.
AA
AA
Some
of
the
other
projects
did
have
increase
in
their
expenditures.
However,
they
are
still
unfunded
projects
until
we
move
forward
on
any
of
those
may.
S
I
just
mentioned
just
want
to
mention
that
the
unimproved
alleyway
that's
the
area
of
the
historic
district,
that's
basically
underwater,
where
anything
is
being
built
now
water
is
either
returning
on
people's
houses
or
flooding
the
neighbors.
So
this
is
a
way
that
the
city
can
actually
engineer
that
area
so
that
actually
it
ceases
doing
this,
because
we
have
several
very
old
historic
structures
that
are
now
threatened
by
this
situation.
So
that's
what
that
project's
for.
J
I
just
want
to
point
out
the
fourth
from
the
bottom
veterans
park,
shade,
structure,
debbie-
and
I
were
talking
about
this
on
monday.
Like
oh,
did
debbie
asked
me:
did
we
did
we
talk
about
a
shade
structure
before
I
said
yes,
we
did.
We
had
talked
in
a
previous
council
meeting
that
we
would
approach
fpl
and
see
if
they
had
any
of
that
solar
now,
funding
that
could
fund
something,
so
we
didn't
have
to
pay
for
it.
J
P
For
the
record
jonabo
urban
design
director,
we
have
made
contact
with
them
previously,
not
recently,
but
that
program
has
gone
away
and
there
are
no
longer
funds
for
them
to
do
that.
Thank.
J
P
T
No,
I
could
comment
that
jaha
was
the
only
one
that
had
to
stand
through
the
whole
thing.
We,
the
rest
of
us,
got
to
sit.
R
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
you
didn't
ask
me,
you
didn't
have
your
hand.
AA
F
Well,
there's
multiple
facets
to
that,
of
course,
and
the
unimproved
alleyway
project
is
more
than
just
one.
It's
as
you
go
around
the
city,
several
of
them
beginning
with
the
one
here,
and
you
know,
there's
different
components
of
drainage
that
are
on
people's
property,
that
they
can
do
certain
things
to
mitigate
and
get
it
to
the
alleyway,
but
once
they
get
it
to
the
alleyway
or
the
street,
you
know
which
this
would
become.
F
F
How
we
fund
it
yeah,
we
fund
it
by
calling
kristin
and
saying
kristen.
How
do
we
fund
it
actually,
depending
on
the
scope
of
what
we
do
with
the
alleys
if
it
does
become
a
street
that
has
to
be
accessible
all
the
different
things,
we
would
look
at
different
sources
right
now.
We
don't
have
that
identified,
which.
AA
AA
F
AA
Okay,
okay,
the
last
slide
we
added
and
we
had-
we
had
included
it
to
the
amended
agenda
was
just
so.
You
could
have
a
look
at
the
special
use
fund
pro
forma
and
like
where
we're
at
with
certain
things.
So
remember.
We
have
three
different
reserves
currently
right
now
in
this
fund
and
part
of
it's
the
money
we
keep
aside
for
our
five
year
audit
period.
So
that's
why
you
see
it
come
off
in
fiscal
year,
2026
for
the
hurricane
charlie
reserve.
AA
We
have
the
reserve
for
fisherman's
village,
the
land
sale
proceeds
so
in
fiscal
year
2021,
and
the
only
reason
I
left
that
column
on
there
is
just
so
you
could
see.
We
did
have
two
projects
that
city
council
did
fund
from
the
land
sale,
which
is
the
comp
plan
update
in
the
land
development
regulation
update
and
then,
of
course,
we
have.
AA
As
you
can
see,
I
did
not
put
any
extra
interest
for
that
interfund
loan
at
this
time,
because,
just
as
you
know,
when
we
issue
a
purchase
order,
we
have
to
have
the
funds
available,
but
we
don't
necessarily
spend
the
money
all
at
once,
so
we
only
transfer
what's
actually
needed
in
any
given
year,
so
a
lot
of
times
it
will
just
carry
over
to
the
next
year
until
a
point
it
becomes
needed
or
by
fiscal
year
2025.
AA
A
Do
we
want
to
take
a
lunch
break
at
this
point
up
here?
I
don't
know,
is
lunch
here.
A
Yes,
it
is,
it
is
okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
then
we
will
take
a
brief
recess
for
lunch
and
we'll
be
back
in
45
minutes.
Is
that,
okay,
with
everyone.
A
S
A
N
R
Y
A
A
AA
Good
afternoon
chris
and
cineon
for
the
record,
and
thank
you
the
first
thing
we're
going
to
do
when
we
just
so
you
have
it
in
your
mind,
is
go
over
some
of
the
budget
community
input.
K
AA
AA
So
as
we
go
through
this,
these
are
just
things
that
you
might
want
to
keep
in
mind:
administrative
restructuring.
We
kind
of
show
the
slide
every
year
and
this
just
kind
of
shows
well
where
we
were
at
starting
in
2007
where
we're
at
now.
So
we
did
have
a
lot
of
reduced
during
the
economic
downturn.
Staffing
we've
started
slowly
increasing
it,
but
we
are
still
a
6.1
percent
reduction
since
2007.
AA
F
And
just
to
highlight
that,
so
if
we're
at
1.8
per
100
and
we're
at
1.4
now
so
that
means
point
four
people
per
hundred
four
people
per
thousand.
We
have
three
thousand
more
people
plus
some,
so
that
would
be
12
people
that
were
down.
If
we
look
at
some
of
the
middle
of
the
road
proposals
later
on,
it
takes
us
back
up
to
about
1.6.
AA
And
again,
we
just
show
you
personnel
and
operating
again,
starting
with
our
base
year
fiscal
year
2008,
and
then,
where
are
these
our
original
budgets
to
original
budget
fiscal
year
2021
and
you
can
see
in
that
time
frame?
13
years
personnel
went
up,
28
operating
24,
2.4
percent
and
total
operations.
20.6
and
again
personnel
is
the
big
part
of
our
general
fund,
because
we
do
provide
services
and
with
that
the
28.
That's
despite
increases
in
health
insurance
pension
plans.
AA
Things
like
that
and
during
some
of
that
time
the
other
ways
things
were
held
down
was
there
were
no
rate,
no
merit
increases.
During
some
years
we
had
some
furloughs.
In
some
years
again
we
had
some
reduction
in
staffing,
obviously
early
on
and
we're
slowly
building
that
back
up.
AA
And
for
operating
costs
again,
a
very
small
increase
over
that
time,
despite
certain
increases
in
like
electricity
and
oil
based
type
products
and
again,
we
just
continue
to
look
for
operational
efficiencies
and
contract
changes
and
negotiations
trying
to
keep
those
those
costs
down.
AA
AA
AA
So
our
current
millage
rate
that
includes
our
transfers
for
road
resurfacing
of
459
000
per
year
and
the
reduced
to
drainage
program
to
200
000.
So
we
talked
about
that
in
the
last
section:
increased
revenue,
estimates
in
electric
utility,
tax,
franchise
fees
and
half
cent
sales
tax
went
up
a
lot
more
and
that's
because
during
our
budgeting
last
year
again,
we
were
during
the
covid
period.
AA
AA
2021
projections,
not
original
budget,
one
percent
increase
in
administration
charges
to
other
funds,
and
again
this
will
be
adjusted
after
we
have
balanced
all
funds,
because
this
is
the
share
that
gets
of
our
common
services,
such
as
human
resources,
the
city
manager,
city
council,
finance
procurement.
AA
AA
At
the
time
of
the
long-range
plan,
we
had
a
six
percent
increase
in
for
health
insurance.
The
current
projection
right
now
through
our
hr
department,
is
a
seven
percent
increase,
so
we
did
budget
for
the
seven
percent.
We
currently
have
an
estimate
of
ten
percent
for
workers,
comp
the
defined
contribution
pension
plan
this
one.
When
we
came
to
you
for
the
long
range
plan,
we
talked
about
increasing
our
match
from
the
seven
and
a
half
percent
to
10,
so
a
one
for
one
up
to
ten
percent
for
the
employees.
AA
So
we
did
add
this
to
the
plan
and
we
do
think
it's
still
good
to
keep
in,
because
in
the
current
environment,
for
hiring
we're
trying
to
attract
and
retain
employees.
AA
AA
The
fire
pension
cost
was
flat
and
the
police
pension
costs
decreased
nine
percent
so
for
the
general
pension
since
we're
spreading
it
city-wide,
there
was
a
small
d.
There
was
a
decrease
in
the
general
fund,
but
we're
keeping
it
flat
city-wide
and
that's
again
to
try
and
fund
that,
because
we
don't
have
new
members
in
that
plan
and
of
course
all
the
pension
plans
did
pretty
well
over
fiscal
year
2020,
despite
the
little
blip
for
covid.
F
And,
as
you
know,
when
we
talk
about
the
pension
plans,
our
defined
benefit
plan
is
now
with
our
union
units
bargaining
units
and
the
general
employee
bases
defined
contribution,
which
is
why
the
10
percent
helps
mitigate
some
of
that
we
tend
to
be
losing
people
to
define
benefit
plan
to
surrounding
jurisdictions
after
we
get
them
somewhat
trained
and
they're
still
looking
for
that
defined
benefit,
pension.
AA
For
operational
expenses,
again
during
the
long-range
plan,
we
generally
estimate
a
three
percent
increase,
and
in
this
year
council
did
approve
that
we
could
retain
that
three
percent
increase
due
to
the
cost
of
materials
going
up.
Some
of
our
operating
costs
are
going
up,
however,
any
division
that
did
go
over
that
three
percent
had
to
provide
a
justification
and
it
was
included
in
the
packets
and
the
ones
that
are
identified
are
here
so
again.
AA
AA
Hr
has
additional
training
and
certifications
for
ada
and
a
pay
plan
study.
The
last
one
was
done
in
2018,
but
we
think
it's
time
to
do
another
one
again,
especially
in
this
environment
with
for
hiring
parks
and
ground,
has
increases
for
landscape
mowing
pest
control
services,
landfill
fees
have
gone
up
as
well
as
the
tonnages
that
are
being
brought
to
them
and
the
holiday
decorations
and
those
have
been
brought.
The
holiday
decorations
had
been
brought
to
council
before
fire
increases
for
the
personal
protective
equipment
and
medical
supplies
and
maintenance
contract
for
their
emergency.
AA
estimated
increase
in
general
liability
insurance
is
seven
and
a
half
percent
that
includes
the
flood
insurance
as
well.
AA
That
includes
the
common
area
maintenance
on
that,
so
that
we
can
keep
up
the
maintenance
for
that
unit,
that
the
city
employees,
who
move
out
of
this
building
over
to
the
fgcu
location,
the
previous
fgc
gcu
location,
contribute
as
well
as
obviously,
electric
supplies,
janitorial
services,
and
that
was
about
forty
thousand
per
year
on
that.
This
does
not
include
any
costs
for
relocating
our
meetings.
Yet.
A
Can
we
talk
about
that
for
just
one?
Second,
please.
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
city
clerk
last
week
and
it
was
her
opinion
that
we
should
have
the
military
heritage
museum,
send
a
proposed
contract
for
the
council
meetings
and
the
board
and
committee
meetings
at
the
museum,
but
I
think
it
has
to
be
done
in
reverse.
I
think
the
city
needs
to.
We
haven't
really
officially
discussed
it,
but
we
kind
of
have
to
do
that
at
this
point,
when
we
get
ready
to
move
all
of
the
stuff
out
of
this
building.
A
A
Museum
has
offered
free
meeting
space
for
the
council
meetings
and
we
would
pay
some
sort
of
a
stipend
to
them
for
the
boarding
committee
meetings
and-
and
I
have
talked
with
the
manager
at
at
the
museum
and
I've
also
spoken
with
greg,
and
I
think
we've
come
up
with
a
reasonable
amount
of
money
that
we
would
have
to
use
for
meeting
space
for
the
board
and
committee
meetings.
And
do
you
want
to
talk
about
the
exact
numbers
at
this
point,
or
do
we
well.
F
We
can
kristen
has
some
more
information
on
how
we
have
to
go
about
that
process
and
what
we
need
to
do.
AA
The
city
manager
only
has
discretion
through
15
000
per
year,
so
we're
still
looking
at
our
policies,
we'll
bring
some
things
to
the
the
city
attorney
just
to
make
sure
if
there's,
if
we
can
find
an
area
where
it
would
really
fall
under
that,
we
might
not
have
to
do
that
process.
We
will
continue
to
look
for
that,
but
we'll
bring
that
too.
AA
A
F
And
a
couple
of
the
items
yeah
a
couple
of
the
items
with
that,
were
you
know
we're
asking
them,
so
it's
real
it's
hard
to
say,
give
us
a
proposal.
So
there's
that,
and
you
know
knowing
that
we're
still
not
quite
to
where
we're
going
to
be
moving
out.
F
At
this
point,
we
wanted
to
wait
till
everything
got
opened
back
up
again
and
now
that
we're
open
back
up
and
they're
open
back
up
and
makes
it
more
easily
identifiable
what
we
need
to
do
to
be
able
to
move
in
somewhere
like
that
and
use
the
facilities.
Of
course,
we've
looked
at
it
from
a
public
works,
and
you
know
the
I.t
standpoint
we
went
over
and
looked
and
the
facilities
they
have
do
match
what
we
need.
F
So
that's,
you
know
a
very
positive
thing,
as
well
as
the
accessibility
that
they
have
and
all
the
different
you
know
facets.
We
have
to
look
at
so
that's
where
now
that
we
are
open
back
up
and
we
are
moving
forward
with
our
engineering
contracts
for
city
hall.
That
gives
us
a
better
idea
of
when
we
need
to
actually
be
in
there,
and
we
can
talk
to.
You,
know
the
various
entities
about
that
and
find
out
exactly
what
we
need
to
do
to
move
forward,
which.
A
F
And
you
know
that's
another
thing
with
the
city
council
meetings:
it's
not
that
difficult,
because
we
have
a
couple
times
a
month
we
can
identify
with
boards
and
commissions.
We
really
have
a
lot
of
designated
slots
that
we
take
up
from
someone's
schedule.
So
you
know
by
saying
they'll.
Let
us
use
that
facility
for
all
our
boards
commissions
and
all
our
council
meetings.
That's
substantial
amount
of
times
well.
A
It
is,
and-
and
there
may
and
we've
already
talked
to
city
clerk
about
this,
but
there
may
be
some
boards
and
committees
that
have
to
be
rescheduled
so
that
we
have
the
the
room
all
day
for
a
certain
day
of
the
month
every
month-
and
you
know
maybe
they
have
three
or
four
meetings
back
to
back
in
that
room
during
that
day.
Rather.
K
A
A
And
the
council
meetings
are
pretty
easy
because
we
pretty
much
know
the
dates
for
those,
and
usually
we
almost
always
change
our
july
and
our
december
meetings
other
than
the
first
and
the
third
wednesday.
So
you
know
I
can
give
gary
butler
those
tentative
dates
and
have
him
start
penciling
things
in
as
soon
as
we
know
that?
That's
what
we're
going
to
do.
If
that's,
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
anyway,
we
have
to
make
that
decision
when
we
find
out
exactly
what
has
to
happen
with
the
process.
A
A
AA
Then
we
go
on
to
the
transfers
and
we
had
discussed
the
cra
at
the
last
council
meeting.
So
it's
based
on
a
four
percent
increase
in
taxable
value
and
again
the
city's
millage
rate.
At
three
point:
four:
three:
three:
seven:
there
was
no
changes
to
the
transfer
for
the
road
resurfacing.
We
already
talked
about
the
drainage
program,
having
the
decrease
of
a
hundred
thousand
and
the
two
new
projects
for
fiscal
year
2022.,
so
that
was
the
dredging
and
boat
dock
and
then
the
railroad
crossing
transportation.
AA
Then
we
have
our
five-year
capital
outlay
program
and
we
have
the
divisions,
submit
their
replacement
schedule
for
their
fleet
and
equipment,
and
we
schedule
it
every
year
and
we
look
at
it
every
year
and
see
what
we
need
to
fund
so
that
we
have
a
nice
steady
base
instead
of
having
big
fluctuations
in
years
where
we
have
a
big
purchase
like
such
as
just
how
you
know
in
the
past
year,
when
we-
because
we
did
that
flattening,
we
didn't
have
to
increase
300
000
for
the
when
we
did
the
replacement
of
the
fire
engine,
the
ladder
truck
so
for
police
fleet
replacements,
there's
an
increase
of
73
000
per
year.
AA
This
is
taking
them
from
five
replacements
per
year
to
six
replacements
per
year,
because
they,
they
did
have
three
additional
sros.
Several
years
back,
plus
two
additional
community
engagement
officers
that
were
hired,
which
gets
added
to
the
plan
and
they're
on
a
seven
year
cycle
for
replacement
of
their
police
vehicles.
Again
they
have
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear
because
they
have
to
leave
the
vehicles
running
a
lot
of
time.
So
and
then
there
was
a
slight
increase
in
cost.
AA
So
that's
approximately
12
thousand
per
year,
then
the
average
increase
in
police
requests
were
the
patrol
rifle
program,
which
was
approved
at
a
prior
council
meeting,
the
swat
and
radio
equipment
and
boat
motors
added
into
the
five-year
plan,
so
that
estimated
approximately
16
000
per
year.
AA
Fire
did
add
one
vehicle
replacement
to
the
schedule,
and
so
that's
an
increase
of
11
000
when
you
spread
it
over
the
five
years
and
then
all
other
divisions,
they
didn't
really
have
as
much
in
the
fiscal
year
2026.
So
when
you
spread
it
over
the
five
years,
that
was
an
estimated
decrease
of
12
000
per
year.
So
the
increase
to
the
annual
funding
is
a
hundred
thousand,
so
we'll
be
going
from
approximately
740
000
per
year,
funding
for
capital
outlay
to
840
000
per
year.
AA
We
did
provide
all
the
detail
of
the
particular
equipment
and
items
two
additional
items
that
are
on
here
that
were
included
that
came
through
the
I.t
division,
but
were
put
into
the
general
fund
capital
plan
because
they
were
really
general
fund
needs,
was
the
audio
recording
system
for
the
interview
rooms,
as
well
as
the
high
availability
firewalls
for
network
and
internet,
and
this
offset
that
there
were
some
utility
projects
that
were
also
in
the
it
plan
that
were
moved
to
the
utility
plan.
AA
So
this
just
helps
balance
it
out
because
if
you
recall
the
I.t
overall,
if
they
remained
in
the
plan
under
I.t,
general
fund
gets
73
of
that.
So
this
was
more
of
a
50
50
split
and
it
really
did
belong
in
the
general
fund
and
utilities
project
should
start
there.
Then
it
can
actually
maintain
the
project
afterwards,
any
questions
so
far.
AA
AA
AA
AA
We
are
here
today
also
to
ask
for
two
appropriations,
and
one
is
the
build
out
of
the
herald
court
center
units
that
are
going
to
be
needed
for
moving
the
staff
over
there.
That's
approximately
230
000,
and
that
would
be
out
of
the
500
000
we
had
identified,
would
probably
be
needed
for
those
types
of
purposes,
as
well
as
the
operations
and
then
the
self-contained
breathing
apparatus
replacement
for
the
fire
division.
AA
They
had
originally
submitted
this
as
part
of
their
capital
outlay
plan,
but
reviewing
it,
we
see
that
it
is
really
needed.
Now
the
the
equipment
is
at
end
of
life.
It
has.
It
has
repairs
that
are
needed
and
we
want-
and
we
feel
it's
a
safety
issue
and
we
want
to
move
it
up
to
fiscal
year.
2021
and
that's
250
000.
AA
Then
you
have
capital
outlay
reserve
of
45
000.
and
that's
where
we
would
start
the
next
year
fiscal
year
2022,
and
that
was
on
a
the
previous
slide
as
well
use
of
the
operating
reserves
for
fiscal
year.
2022
was
741
780
and
again
you
saw
that
number
earlier
and
then
we
have
our
minimum
required
reserves.
AA
AA
AA
The
operating
reserve
look
ahead
again.
We
kind
of
try
and
say
well
what's
happening
in
2023
next
year,
because
based
on
what
we
currently
have
in
the
plan,
so
we
do
have
our
standard
estimate
revenue
for
estimates
for
increases
for
revenues.
They
generally
are
anywhere
from
one
to
three
percent.
Depending
on
the
type
of
revenue
we
do
have
the
use
of
reserves
for
capital
outlay.
AA
Again
it's
a
little
higher
year,
so
we'll
have
to
use
some
reserves
for
that
and
then
use
of
operating
reserves
for
operations,
which
would
be
to
be
determined
because
council
will
tell
us
if
they
would
like
us
to
hold
some
of
those
funds
aside
to
fund
some
of
those
to
fund
the
gap
for
the
for
the
next
year,
and
then
so
you
see
the
total
expenditures
again
using
the
same
type
of
estimates.
We
always
use,
such
as
the
four
percent
for
merits,
six
percent
for
health
insurance,
three
percent
operating.
AA
You
would
need
additional
208
500
dollars
and
if
you
were
to
say,
let's
set
that
those
funds
aside,
you
would
use
approximately
that
million
dollars
and
you
would
have
available
almost
1.4
million
dollars
for
other
items,
so
service
level,
enhancements
or
projects
and
then,
as
you're,
going
to
see
in
the
next
few
slides.
The
service
level
enhancements
are
mostly
positions
and
we
included
this
the
fiscal
year
22
positions
in
here
and
for
fiscal
year
2022.
AA
You
would
need
almost
1.2
million
to
fund
the
positions
as
well
as
another
900
000
in
fiscal
year
2023,
and
the
reason
why
it
goes
down
a
little
bit
is
in
that
first
year
you
have
capital
equipment,
that's
being
purchased
for
those
employees
saints,
especially
like
the
police
officers
who
need
vehicles
as
well
as
computers,
and
things
like
that.
K
AA
Yes,
that
would
have
been
11
and
a
half
positions,
so
now
we're
going
to
go
into
the
service
level
enhancements
and
we
did
include
all
requests
and
then,
as
we
go
through
them
after
we
get
through
all
of
them.
We
do
have
several
slides.
Looking
at
a
five-year
plan
for
funding
or
a
five-year
plan
for
personnel
increases,
one
that
was
submitted
by
the
divisions
and
then
a
recommended
plan
by
the
city
manager
on
how
we
could
maybe
move
forward
with
some
of
those.
AA
AA
For
engineering
they
have,
they
already
currently
have
an
engineering
tech
position
that
they
split
with
building
and
they
are
asking
for
another
position
exactly
the
same
building
paid
for
the
first
vehicle
for
that
first
position.
So
the
second
position
would
the
the
vehicle
would
have
to
be
paid
for
by
the
general
fund
to
again
have
that
50
50
share
and
again
it
will
give
them
cross
training
for
both
divisions,
and
they
can
both
be
used
depending
on
which
one
is
busier
or
which
one
needs.
F
R
When
we
hired
the
first
person,
yes,
building
paid
for
the
car
or
the
truck,
because
they
are
self-sufficient,
correct.
R
So
I
don't
understand
why
the
second
car
has
to
come
out
of
the
general
fund
if
building
still
needs
a
half
a
person
and
they're
self-sufficient,
wouldn't
it
be
in
our
best
interest
to
let
them
provide
the
truck
for
the
person.
That's
going
to
be
doing
that
to
save
that
money
from
the
general
fund
and
just
let
them
pay
for
it,
since
they
pay
for
themselves.
AA
J
F
The
issue
is
that
it's
50
50..
So
if
you
have
two
full-time
equivalents:
ftes
you
have
one
in
building
and
one
in
public
works,
for
example,
and
each
one
should
supply
the
equipment
necessary
for
that
one
person
you're
right
if
building
paid
for
it.
Certainly
that
takes
it
off
the
general
fund,
but
whether
or
not
we
can
allocate
it
that
way
when
public
works
is
using
it
one
full-time
position
and
main
or
building
one
full
time.
That's
the
issue,
but.
AA
F
There's
times
when
building
may
need
more
than
the
one
person
and
then
the
other
person
can
also
assist
there,
and
likewise,
if
there's
a
heavy
workload
on
the
other
side,
they
can
do
that.
So
two
people
total
equipment
amount
needed.
They
split
the
cost.
That's
the
way
it
was
originally
calculated.
AA
K
F
AA
AA
AA
Right
away
requested
a
crew
chief,
sixty
five
thousand
five
hundred
and
the
annual
costs
are
about
sixty
two
thousand
five
hundred
in
the
police
department.
They
requested
a
police
detective
and
these
may
look
familiar
because
they
did
request
them.
Last
year,
a
police
detective
149
000.
The
annual
costs
are
eighty
six
thousand
two
patrol
officers,
so
the
total
cost
would
be
two
hundred
ninety
two
thousand,
with
the
annual
cost
per
officer
of
eighty
three
thousand.
AA
AA
There
is
a
paying
classification
study
requested
for
fiscal
year
2022,
so
any
results
from
that
may
affect
a
future
year,
or
you
know
mid-year
fiscal
year
2022.
Depending
on
that,
however,
they
will
also
still
look
at
the
florida
minimum
wage
requirements
that
are
taking
place
over
the
next
several
years
because
again,
even
though
it
doesn't
affect
us
right
now,
our
minimum
is
at
13.30.
AA
AA
The
coronavirus
state
and
local
fiscal
recovery
funds,
as
provided
in
the
american
rescue
plan
act,
are
not
currently
in
this
budget
again
we're
working
through
attaining
those
funds
and
then
we'll
have
to
come
up
with
a
plan
for
use
that
fall
in
line
with
the
guidelines
that
are
provided
in
that
plan.
So
currently
you
can
use
it
for
some
lost
revenue.
AA
Correct
so
they,
I
think
they're
pre-funding,
at
least
a
portion
of
the
funds
you
do
have
to
have
them
in
purchase
orders,
I
think,
by
the
end
of
fiscal
year
2024,
and
then
I
think
they
actually
have
to
be
spent
by
the
end
of
fiscal
year.
2026.
AA
So
the
lost
revenue
calculation
would
probably
be
able
to
be
used
in
the
general
fund
because
it's
going
to
be
a
calculation
on
what
we
lost
in
revenue
and
generally
those
revenues
would
have
been
used.
If
it's
those
the
general
fund
revenues
would
have
been
used
in
general
fund
for
any
general
fund
purpose,
but
again.
AA
AA
So
here
is
the
personnel
requests
again.
This
is
new.
This
year,
city
manager
asked
all
the
divisions
to
look
at
their
staffing
needs
over
the
five-year
period,
so
not
just
in
the
current
year
to
allow
for
better
planning,
and
so
this
was
the
initial
request
from
all
the
divisions
for
and
we're
only
showing
you
general
fund
and
it
because
that's
what
we're
talking
about
today,
other
funds
will
come
back
as
we
bring
other
funds
to
you.
AA
So
you
can
see.
In
this
particular
scenario,
there
were
11
and
a
half
positions
requested
in
fiscal
year,
2022,
20
and
2023
and
as
you
go
out,
they
kind
of
reduced,
but
at
the
end
of
fiscal
year
2026
for
the
general
fund,
it
would
have
shown
208
employees
and
an
information
technology
went
from
7
to
12.
AA
This
next
slide
is
the
recommended
planning
that
the
city
manager
is
proposing,
starting
with
seven
and
a
half
positions
being
approved
in
fiscal
year
2022,
and
you
can
see
the
number
of
employees
per
division
that
he
is
recommending
and
he
is
recommending
that
these
fiscal
year,
22
positions
start
in
april.
So
that
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
savings
that
first
year
and
then
the
rest
are
scheduled
out
and
he
tried
to
spread
them
a
little
more
evenly
throughout
the
years
now
for
fire.
AA
There
is
seven
firefighters
requested
in
2023,
but
fire
will
be
applying
for
a
safer
grant,
which
would,
if
approved,
would
fund
75
of
that
those
employees
for
the
first
two
years
and
in
the
third
year
35,
and
then
it
would
be
total
general
fund
out
in
the
fourth
year
and
for
information
technology,
three
positions
during
that
five
year
period.
So
you
can
see
that
at
the
end
of
2026
there's
a
recommendation
of
199
positions
for
the
general
fund
and
10
positions
in
I.t.
F
And
some
of
that,
when
you
look,
for
example,
I.t
when
you
talk
about
cameras
and
various
security
systems
and
things
that
are
being
brought
online
with
projects,
we
don't
have
someone
that
manages
that
right
now
and
we
would
have
to
have
someone
that
really
is
astute
at
that
and
then
can
manage
those
systems
but
other
than
when
you
look
at
fire
and
police,
and
we
have
the
half
person
up
there.
F
But
when
you
look
at
fire
in
general
fund
fire
and
police
and
remove
those,
the
anything
that
remains
is
the
few
positions
in
engineering
right
away
in
parks
and
grams.
These
three
positions
and
facilities
is
the
one
that
we've
talked
about
a
lot
of
times.
Now
we
have
the
one
person
that
handles
the
facility
buildings,
the
right-of-way
maintenance
and
parks
and
grounds
are
the
ones
that
obviously
right
now
right
away.
You
know
we
have
three
months
worth
of
backlog
because
of
requesting
complaints
that
they
need
to
get
to.
F
They
handle
all
storm,
water
or
drainage,
or
the
paving
all
the
different
things
that
people
see
every
day
and
one
service
on
they're,
the
ones
that
handle
all
that
the
mowing.
The
everything
that
goes
on
there,
and
certainly
all
the
justifications
in
the
back
of
the
packet-
and
we
have
people
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
but
other
than
fire
and
police
and
the
difference
here
between
when
you
see
nine
and
a
half
and
seven
and
a
half,
is
really
fire
and
police.
F
Originally,
when
you
talk
about
one
person
and
you
look
at
three
shifts-
that's
really
three
people,
because
it's
one
per
shift
and
originally
the
three
people
were
in
there
as
in
one
per
shift,
and
we
reduced
that
to
two.
So
that's
where
seven
and
a
half
goes
down
or
nine
and
a
half
goes
down
to
seven
and
a
half.
AA
So
before
we
go
into
the
performance,
we
will
talk
about.
The
last
piece:
that's
in
part
of
the
general
fund
is
the
lot
mowing
and
we're
currently
proposing
an
assessment
of
185
dollars,
which
is
a
10
increase
over
our
current
assessment
of
175
dollars.
AA
Certain
costs
of
the
program
remain
fixed,
despite
the
decreasing
number
of
lots.
So
again
we
have
a
position
that
coordinates
all
of
that
there's
some
administration
costs
and
things
like
that.
The
contractor
may
increase
rates
up
to
five
percent,
so
we
did
want
to
make
sure
that
was
accounted
for
again.
Personnel
salaries
are
budgeted
to
increase
four
percent
and
again
that's
because
we
own
for
the
lot
mowing
coordinator.
We
only
charge
a
portion
of
his
costs
to
the
lot
mowing
program.
AA
AA
Right
so
every
year
we
do
bring
the
we
do
analyze
this
and
there
have
been
remaining
funds
and
we've
brought
it
to
council
when
we
carry
over
some
of
those
funds.
So
this
would
use
probably
about
a
hundred
thousand
of
those
reserves
and
leave
about
45
000
left.
So
we
would
only
have
approximately
a
reserve
of
45
000.
If
say,
we
had
to
go
out
to
bid
for
another
contract
or
anything.
So
if
you,
if
you
you
know.
AA
How
does
the
rest
of
council
feel
we
could
bring
that
back
to
you
because
again,
when
we
do
bring
what
will
go
on
the
trim.
J
AA
So
I
it's
hard
to
say
typical,
because
we've
had
various
things
that
have
happened
throughout
the
years
like
where
we've
changed
contractors,
so
we
didn't
spend
as
much
because
there
were
several
months
where
we
didn't
have
a
contractor
available.
So
we
had
some
extra
savings
in
one
year,
but
then
and
the
next
year
we
had
it
an
increase.
That
was
more
than
five
percent,
because
the
contractor
says,
oh,
you
know
we're
gonna
need
more
than
this.
Otherwise
we're
just
going
to
stop
the
contract,
and
so
we
had
to
negotiate
and
stuff
like
that.
AA
A
C
AA
And
so
yes,
you're
correct,
we
used
to
do
three
edges
and
I
think
we
still
did
three
trims,
but
we
did
increase
it
to
four
edges
and
three
trims.
So
two
hundred
dollars
would
give
us
an
ending
reserve
of
79
000
and
again
we
have
that
little
bit
of
play
of
the
two
extra
mo's
in
here.
So
that's
where
sometimes
we
have
some
of
that
extra
savings.
AA
So
that
would
get
you
like.
I
said
almost
79
000
to
start
the
next
year
with.
Y
Y
A
AA
AA
It'll
be
about
a
71
000
reserve.
I.
R
Could
I
could
I
ask
that
when
you
negotiate
this
contract,
the
trimming
not
include
the
sea
wall,
they
are
still
trimming
the
sea
walls
of
empty
lots
around
me
and
the
the
guys
who
come
and
fill
my
divots
tell
me
that
they're
really
glad.
I
don't
trim
my
sea
walls,
because
that
allows
the
water
to
go
down
and
to
sit
and
to
push
out
the
bottom,
and
it
just
seems
like
the
city.
Crews,
especially,
should
not
be
doing
it.
I
mean
people
we
are
paying.
AA
We'll
make
sure
that
they
know
that
and
then,
even
when
we're
updating
the
next
year's
contract,
that
we
bring
that
up.
T
T
K
AA
AA
So
anyway,
but
we
are
we're
decreasing
quite
quite
a
bit
over
the
last
couple
years,
so
I
mean
some
people
have
opted
out.
So
if
they
ever
come,
if
maybe
they
didn't
build
and
they
wanted
to
opt
back
in,
they
could
but.
R
AA
A
AA
Is
okay:
we're
going
to
go
over
information
technology
fund
fairly
quickly
as
well
again,
the
biggest
reason
is
that
73
of
this
information
technology,
pretty
much
is
part
of
the
gen-
goes
to
general
fund
all
funds,
we'll
start
with
the
project
request.
The
city
manager
did
review
all
the
project,
requests
prioritized
and
reduced
some
of
them,
and
these
are
what
are
remaining.
AA
Some
of
them
are
annual
subscriptions,
so
we're
trying
to
starting.
Last
year
we
tried
to
start
showing
that,
because
those
are
continual
expenses,
once
we
start
that
program,
those
are
going
to
be
ongoing
at
this
time
and,
unfortunately,
software.
That's
where
it's
going
now
we
used
to
be
able
to
buy
software
and
just
use
it,
and
now
we
just
really
can't
do
that.
AA
There's
the
large
email
extraction
software
that
one
did
have
a
six
thousand
dollar
one
time.
Our
annual
computer
laptop
replacements
is
really
nine
thousand
annually,
but
they
set
aside
3500
for
a
possible
new
computer
or
new
employee
that
might
that
wasn't
already
budgeted
mid-year,
or
something
happened
like
that
new
this
year
is
monitor
replacements.
AA
Again
this
this
one
was
a
little
bit
of
a
reduced
project,
so
we're
going
to
get
started
on
it
at
ten
thousand
dollars
annually
to
start
changing
out
the
mon,
the
some
of
our
very
old
monitors,
backup
and
recovery
appliance
and
again
this
is
financed
over
three
years.
We
did
start
this
in
fiscal
year
2021.
AA
AA
First,
the
one
year
we
tried
to
do
one
server
replacement
per
year
for
this
particular
type
of
server,
the
vmware
server
and
that's
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
network
switch
and
again
this
is
five
thousand
dollars,
and
this
will
allow
them
to
have
a
spare
on
hand
so
that
when,
if
one
goes
out,
they're
immediately
able
to
replace
it
versus
having
to
wait
for
one
to
come
the
next
day,
so
it
will
help
keep
operations
going
the
security
camera
system,
and
again
this
is
just
initial
funding.
AA
AA
F
AA
So
operating
expenditure
expenditures
increased
approximately
nine
and
a
half
percent
for
information
technology
and
again
it's
all
related
to
software,
subscriptions
that
continue
yep
and
data
storage
data
as
we
move
into
more
of
everything's
online
and
we're
saving
things
instead
of
printing
paper.
Well,
now
we've
got
to
store
this
electronically
as
well.
AA
AA
Information
technology
is
requesting
a
staff
member.
This
is
67
000
64
000
of
that
is
annual
costs.
And
again
this
is
a
recommended
position
by
the
city
manager
and
about
73
of
this
would
go
to
the
general
fund.
AA
So
now
we
go
into
the
various
pro
formas
and
we
kind
of
just
wanted
to
kind
of
show
different
pictures.
So
you
had
some
information
and,
of
course,
there's
many
scenarios
you
could
do.
We
could
have
many
many
pro
formas,
but
we
tried
to
give
you
some
that
kind
of
just
walked
you
through
some
of
the
thought,
processes
and
different
options
that
you
might
have
so
again,
going
with
the
base
of
no
change
in
service
levels
and
maintaining
the
millage
rate
of
3.4337.
AA
F
So
let
me
point
a
couple
things
out
here
on
the
screen.
So
when
we
look
at
the
different
pro
formas
at
the
top,
you'll
see
the
millage
rate
and
any
proposed
additional
millage
rate.
So
once
we
have
this
and
in
this
scenario
with
no
changes
whatsoever,
we
look
down
here
at
revenues
and
expenditures
in
the
net
and
you
can
see
that
we're,
as
kristin
said
about
a
million
dollars
short
every
year.
So
what
does
that
do
to
our
fund
balance
by
the
end
of
the
five
years
we're
at
1.089?
F
Now
that
being
said,
when
you
look
at
the
very
bottom
line
of
3.5
we're
looking
at
a
when
it
says
10
to
12
percent,
if
you
were
at
your
16,
say
or
just
use
a
general
number
of
about
five
million
dollars.
F
So
if
you
see
in
subsequent
performance
where
you
have
six
million
dollars
there,
really,
if
you're,
looking
at
your
reserves
and
in
a
hurricane
prone
area
that
seems
like
they
like
to
hit,
you
know,
five
million
dollars
doesn't
go
far,
even
if
it's
just
for
cash
flow,
even
when
we
know
we
get
reimbursements
on
certain
things.
That's
why
the
sixteen
point
six,
sixteen
point:
six,
six.
F
Six
percent
is
is
something
that
not
only
helps
us
with
cash
flow
and
reserves,
but
if
we
ever
have
to
look
at
bonded
indebtedness,
then
it
gives
us
something
that
they
certainly
look
at
when
we
look
at
having
reserves
that
there's
no
use
of
that
reserves.
It's
a
dedicated
emergency
reserve
with
policy
if
it
needs
used,
but
again,
even
if
you
have
that
five
million
and
you're
looking
at
an
ending
reserve
of
six,
that
gives
you
a
million
dollars.
Well
a
million
dollars
when
you
talk
about
just
today.
F
Where
do
we
fund
the
alley
work?
Well,
it
can't
come
out
of
one
percent
and
unfortunately
a
lot
of
our
major
projects.
Unfortunately,
obviously
when
we're
looking
at
20
million
dollars,
plus
over
a
six
year
period,
fortunately
we
have
that
one
percent,
but
if
that
went
away,
we
rely
heavily
on
that
one
percent-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
our
projects-
would
not
be
completed
without
that.
So
if
we
have
to
add
a
project,
the
one
percent's
already
done,
so
we
know
what
we
can
use
it
for
how
much
we
can
use
for
that.
F
We
need
to
do
some
work
on
alleys.
We
have
to
find
it
somewhere
else.
So
if
we
look
at
our
total
reserve,
even
if
it's
six
million
dollars-
and
we
know
five
of
that-
is
really
our
16-
that
should
eventually
be
dedicated
to
nothing
but
reserve.
You
know
it
gives
you
very
little
leeway
if
you
have
major
projects
that
come
up,
something
that
needs
to
occur.
F
AA
AA
The
next
performer
says:
okay,
still
no
change
in
service
level,
but
if
you
were
trying
to
say
hey,
I
want
my
revenues
to
equal
our
expenditures.
What
millage
increase
would
you
need
for
off?
You
know
to
start
with
that.
All
five
years
would
be
pretty
much
meeting
that
so
a
0.31
increase
in
millage
rate,
and
you
can
see
in
the
blue
lines
how
much
that
would
increase
the
ad
valorem
blue.
AA
F
And
that's
important
because,
as
that
cra
transfer
goes
up
and
we
continue
to
build
those
reserves
in
the
cra.
It
then
gives
us
more
of
a
picture
of.
When
can
we
pay
off
that
total
debt
and
that
million
dollars
in
revenue
that's
going
to
debt
every
year,
then
comes
back
as
a
general
fund
revenue.
So
that's
very
important
as
we
look
at
our
use
of
reserves
for
the
out
years.
AA
And
so,
and
then
you
can
see
here
in
this
scenario
that
the
revenues
are
fairly
meeting,
there's
a
couple
years
where
it
doesn't
and
again
that's
those
one-year
expenditures
for
say
the
comprehensive
studies
that
are
placed
in
those
years
causing
that
change
and
again
you
can
see
that
the
reserve
percentage
is
at
23.4
at
the
end
of
2026.
R
I
was
asked:
where
did
you
get
the
number?
How
did
you
decide
to
go
0.31.5.51?
What
were
those
numbers
based
on
so.
AA
AA
F
You
were
looking
at
took
now
and
to
answer
your
question,
which
it
is
a
good
question
in
the
first
one,
when
we
look
back
at
your
goals
that
have
been
set
long
ago
for
expenditures
to
meet
revenues.
That
was
the
first
one.
So
what
does
it
take
if
we
make
no
other
changes
for
expenditures
to
meet
revenue?
Okay,.
F
T
F
So
that
was
the
0.31,
but,
as
you
see
from
the
projected
carryover
balance
when
you're
starting
at
6.4-
and
you
end
up
with
six
you're
pretty
much
the
same
and
five
of
that
plus,
is
your
baseline
emergency
reserve
that
shouldn't
be
touched
actually,
so
it
gives
you,
you
know
less
than
two
million
dollars
total
that
you
have
there
for
anything
else
that
you
need
to
spend
it
on,
and
that
was
the
first
one.
So
how
do
we
just
break?
AA
So
then
we
go
on
to
the
next
item
of
doing
adding
9.5
positions
in
fiscal
year
2022
and
that's
for
the
full
year
and
again
trying
to
maybe
not
cover
the
one-time
expenditures
of
capital,
but
so
it
gets
pretty
close
and
again
we
just
tried
to
round
this.
So
this
is
the
point
five
increase.
AA
F
F
AA
Okay,
this
one
is
new,
so
you
this
was
not
included.
K
T
AA
Yep
but
then
the
city
manager
asked
me
to
do
one
more,
so
this
is
one
that's
put
in
here
that
you
did
not
have
originally.
So
I'm
sorry.
He
asked
me
this
morning
to
get
this
in.
AA
F
A
F
F
K
R
AA
So
this
is
the
recommended
planning
that
we
saw
on
the
slide
with
all
the
personnel,
with
the
second
slide
that
the
study
manager
had
where
he
had
a
little
bit
of
reductions,
and
this
is
adding
in
those
seven
and
a
half
employees
in
fiscal
year,
2022,
but
mid-year,
so
starting
in
april
rather
than
october.
So.
F
AA
AA
And
again,
this
is
a
mid
one,
where
you're
still
using
reserves
so
again
recognizing
the
fact
that
we
sometimes
do
a
little
bit
better
so
and
covering
this
five-year
plan
of
personnel.
AA
So
in
this
option
also,
because
now
we
added
in
those
fiscal
year
23
through
26,
you
see
the
additional
grant
revenue
as
well,
so
the
the
line
with
the
grant
revenue
would
be
assuming
we
got
the
safer
grant
at
75
percent
in
fiscal
year,
23
and
24
and
35
and
25
before
then
it
becomes
all
city
funding
for
that.
F
T
AA
Yes,
so
I
put
the
slide
up
of
how
the
personnel
this
recommended
that
performance
we
were
just
looking
at
falls
to
this
recommended
planning
for
the
general
fund.
H
AA
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
down
okay,
so
we
were
there.
Sorry
again,
this
was
just
another
one
again
for
information.
It's
not
necessarily
the
one
we
would
recommend,
but
again,
if
you
wanted
to
start
with
nine
and
a
half
employees
again,
funding
those
three
police
officers
and
three
firefighters
in
fiscal
year,
22
mid-year
and
including
all
the
rest
of
the
employees
that
were
in
the
recommended
plan
in
the
out
years.
F
AA
F
F
AA
AA
And
then
again,
we've
we've
provided
the
slide
in
the
past,
but
we've
added
multiple
levels,
so
we
go
up
to
the
million
dollar
and
we're
using
homesteaded
residences.
So
homesteaded
residences
can
only
increase
1.4
this
year
because
that's
the
cpi
index
as
part
of
save
our
homes.
AA
How
much
would
their
value
go
up
a
little
bit
and
then
what
the
various
scenarios
we
had
shown,
except
for
the
new
one,
the
new
one
is
not
in
here
what
that
would
do
to
the
dollar
value
the
dollar,
that
someone
would
have
to
pay
on
any
one
of
these
homes
and
the
only
one
that's
kind
of
like
a
little
bit
out
of
range
is
the
550
000
and
and
that's
because
when
we
had
in
the
packet
there
was
a-
and
I
can
put
it
up
on
the
slide.
AA
The
single,
where
we
do
a
comparison
to
others,
and
so
we
were
using
a
500
000
taxable
value.
So
that's
why
we
use
the
550,
because
when
you
subtract
out
the
50
000
for
homestead,
then
you
get
closer
to
the
500
000.
So
that's
the
reason
why
that
one's
550.
F
If
you
look
at
the
550
and
you
look
at
what
it
would
normally
be
with
just
the
1.6
and
I
believe
we
have
26
dollars
there
and
you
go
down
to
the
point
five
one
rate
and
come
over
and
you
can
see
that
we
would
have
an
increase
for
that
homeowner
of
about
289.
F
So
you
subtract
out
the
26
they're
gonna
get
anyway
you're
down
at
about
260
dollar
increase
with
that
5163
millage
rate
increase,
so
260
dollars
is
about
five
bucks
a
week.
So
that's
what
the
increase
relates
to
for
.5163
at
a
500
000
taxable
value
home
about
five
bucks
a
week.
F
And
that
then
gives
you
the
reserves
that
you
may
need
for
additional
projects
that
gives
you
the
employees
that
we
need,
because
right
now,
every
time
we
get
a
complaint,
the
light
bases
on
harbor
walk
knee
painted
the
benches
have
splinters
on
them.
Why
haven't
you
power
washed?
The
compass
rose.
How
come
hero
court
center
smells
terrible
when
the
stairwell
all
of
those
there's
a
very
good
reason
for
that?
It's
because
we
don't
have
people
to
do
it.
F
You
know
why
do
we
have
a
three
week
three
month
backlog
and
you
know
our
rate
away
cruise
well
and
it
goes
on
and
on
so
really
when
we've
reduced
that
number
of
people
over
time
and
we've
increased
the
number
of
residents
that
we
have
and
we're
trying
to
maintain
a
certain
level
of
service.
This
brings
it
up
about
halfway
to
where
it
used
to
be
so
that's
what
these
numbers
show.
F
It's
just
information
so
that
you
have
it
to
discuss
and
then,
when
we
go
on
through
to
our
comparison
with
surrounding
cities,
which
I'll.
F
That's
the
colored
slide,
but
one
thing
that
is
significant
and
when
we're
talking
about-
and
I
can
tell
you
what
it
says-
just
trust
me
on
the
government
so
I'll.
F
So
when
you
look
at
punta
gorda,
where
are
we
now
based
on
a
value
of
250
or
500,
and
you
see
that
the
250
is
second
lowest
and
the
500
is
third
lowest
and
if
we
look
at
an
increase
of
0.5163
or
anywhere
in
that
range,
and
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
You'll
see
that
we
go
from
number
three
at
500
000
value
to
number
three
lowest
at
the
new
value.
F
So
if
indeed,
we
increase
the
millage
rate,
a
certain
amount
we're
still
staying
at
number,
three
lowest
based
on
the
surrounding
jurisdictions.
If,
indeed
they
don't
increase
theirs.
If
they
do,
it
could
even
drop
us
a
little
more,
but
the
point
being
that,
given
the
values
that
we
currently
have
and
knowing
that
it
takes
.31
just
so,
we
begin
to
break
even
as
per
our
goal
of
revenues.
Matching
expenses
we're
still
third
lowest
in
the
region.
G
J
Because
one
of
the
things
we've
talked
about
for
years
is
matching
revenues
to
expenses.
J
This
is
a
big
jump,
big
job,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
some
feedback
I've
received
from
residents
is,
we
need
to
pay
for
our
services,
so
the
concern
I
have
is
if
we
as
a
group,
were
to
to
consider
this
that
then
another
year
or
two
from
now
we're
going.
Oh,
it
wasn't
enough.
R
J
No,
that's
not
what
I'm
saying:
oh
okay!
No!
What
I'm
saying
is:
if
we
do
this
now
uh-huh,
I
mean
it's
a
big
jump.
Yes,
but
if
we
do
this
now,
I'm
I
it's
two
things.
One
is
I'm
getting
from
greg
the
way
he
was
talking
about
it
that
this
still
he's
his
projection
is
that
this
would
still
be
a
valid,
a
valid
millage
rate
in
2026
that
this
isn't
something
that
we're
going
to
do
today
and
we
know
darn
well
we're
going
to
need
to
up
it
in
two
years.
So
that's
correct.
S
J
J
But
you
know
the
the
building
industry
association
will
come
back
and
tell
you
otherwise.
Yes,
vehemently
tell
you
otherwise,
but
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
hearing
you
correctly
greg
so
that
as
we
discuss
this,
then
we
can,
you
know,
have
confidence
that
the
decisions
that
we
we
make
are
going
to
be
a
good
long-term
solution.
F
And
we
could
get
much
more
granular
on,
for
example,
this
rate
and
what
it
does
to
the
various
lines
and
and
how
that's
going
to
change
as
we
go
through
to
you
know,
give
our
higher
level
confidence.
But
let
me
say
that
you
know
I've
been
around
the
barn
a
couple
times
and
you
know
I
know
this
is
a
big
ask
and
a
big
challenge.
So
what
I
can
say
is
that
before
I
came
in-
and
you
know
this
is
the
one
year
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
new
this
year.
F
F
When
I
looked
at
previous
pro
formas
and
previous
levels
of
service-
and
I
thought
you
know-
I
can
see
two
problems
there-
one
the
use
of
reserves
and
how
reduction
in
personnel
has
facilitated
that
so
the
budget
could
move
forward
and
two
was
the
reserve
amount
in
total,
and
I
even
noticed
that
when
we
had
our
audits-
and
you
know-
there's
a
constant
comment
on
that.
So
what
I
tried
to
do
when
I
came
in
looking
at
revenue
sources
and
what's
it
take
to,
in
my
mind,
fix
those
things.
F
Is
this
and
with
that
you're?
Basically
looking
multiple
years
out,
not
just
one
year
and
it's
required
the
departments
to
actually
look
at.
You
know
what
type
of
level
of
service
we
have
to
provide
not
to
just
do
what
we're
doing
now,
but
with
anything
new
coming
on
increased
level
of
increased
population
level,
et
cetera,
and
what
will
it
do
long
term?
What's
it
take
to
make
that
work?
And
you
know
just
the
stated
goal
of
revenues
matching
expenditures
it
takes
0.31
just
to
get
there.
F
So
you
know
once
you
get
there,
then
what
does
it
take?
What's
the
minimum
you
can
work
with
to
try
to
make
the
rest
work
and
I
was
coming
up
with
0.2,
so
I
mean
it's
a
lot
less
to
continue
to
make
the
rest
work
than
it
is
to
get
us
to
where
we're
matching
revenues
with
expenditures
and
we're
building
a
reserve
to
16.7
with
a
little
bit
left
for
projects
and
such
that
you
may
need
to
use.
J
So
I
think
one
of
the
comments
that
I've
heard
from
people
they
talk.
Look
at
naples.
Naples
is
the
the
lowest
and
would.
S
F
They
do
have
commercial
tax
base,
which
is
substantial,
but
two
if
we
had
the
same
number
of
homes
that
we
have
in
punta
gorda
and
you
just
double
their
value
with
the
same
number
of
people,
we'd
have
double
the
revenue,
and
our
service
level
would
still
be
the
same
for
the
same
number
of
homes
plus
or
minus
might
be
a
little
higher
expectation,
etc,
and
that's
what
we
have
with
naples
when
you
look
at
their
accessible
base
versus
the
accessible
base
of
punta
gorda
for
the
same
number
of
homes,
hey.
J
G
J
F
If
you
look
at
back
at
kristen's
colored
sheet,
where
you
know
you
can
see
the
different
millage
rates
for
the
different
surrounding
jurisdictions,
I
mean
you
can
see
fort
myers,
which
I.
F
So
you
can
see
you
know:
7.9
6.3,
4.3
seven
is
north
port
plus
the
different
things
below
that
that
give
you
your
total
and
with
our
millage
rates.
We
include,
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
county,
millage
rate,
for
example,
you
know
you're
right
above
six,
but
then
they
have
the
different
assessment
districts
and
different
things
that
they
add
on
to
that.
Ours
is
all
inclusive.
F
You
know
we
don't
charge
extra
for
police
and
and
when
you
look
at
even
ratios,
it
becomes
hard
when
you
look
at
a
ratio
for
service,
because
how
many
cities
have
a
full
service
canal,
maintenance
district.
You
know-
and
I
know
they
pay
an
extra
assessment
for
that,
but
that's
part
of
the
total
number
of
employees
that
you
also
engage
to
provide
that
service
and
manage
that
whole
program.
F
So
I
mean
there's
so
many
fluid
factors
when
you
evaluate
what
level
of
service
you
have
to
come
up
to,
the
bottom
line
is
really:
where
do
you
want
to
be?
What
kind
of
service
do
you
want
to
provide
and
who
does
it
take
to
do
that?
And
then?
How
do
you
fund
it?
And
that's
you
know,
that's.
S
Well,
we
finally
arrived
at
the
consequences
of
our
decisions
that
we've
made
the
decision
that
we're
going
to
be
relying
on
commercial,
I'm
sorry,
residential
tax
base
and
our
residential
taxes.
Don't
equal
the
cost
of
our
services.
So
now
we're
here
at
the
point
where
raising
taxes
is
what
we
are
telling
the
residents
we're
doing
to
them,
where
an
alternative
to
this
is
that
is
actually
creating
revenues,
because
those
are
our
three
choices:
reduce
services,
increase
taxes
or.
S
A
Just
one
thing
I
would
like
to
correct
on
your
statement.
Our
ratio
of
90
to
10
is
exactly
what
it
was
in
2004
before
the
hurricane
I
had
kristin
do
the
numbers
for
me:
we
never
had
25
commercial.
That
was
the
goal.
There
was
a
goal,
but
it
was
never
pushed
we.
We
had
exactly
the
same
ratio
as
we
do
today.
Well,.
A
A
Not
disagreeing
with
that
part
of
it,
but
I
am
saying
that
our
ratio
has
never
been
25
percent.
That
was
something
that
was
told
to
us
several
times
over,
and
that
has
never
been
the
case
because
we
pulled
all
the
numbers,
and
I
had
kristen
run
a
sheet
for
me
not
very
long
ago.
Is
that
correct,
dude.
AA
A
AA
I
think,
before
hurricane
charlie,
we
might
have
been
up
for
the
reserves
we
might
have
been.
I
can't
I
didn't
check
that
number,
but
it
you
know,
but
since
hurricane
charlie,
they
that's
when
they
started
using
those
reserves
and
when
the
economic
downturn,
we
were
at
five
percent
as
our
minimum
again
to
help
reduce
the
number
of
light.
You
know
we
didn't
do
layoffs,
but
we
had
attrition
losses
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
how
we
continue
to
operate
without
having
to
raise
millage
as
much
during
that
time.
AA
F
And
as
we
become
a
more
vibrant
city,
our
level
of
service
requirements
increases,
of
course,
and
you
know
again
when
we
look
at
the
0.31
and
know
that
if
we
were
matching
actually
matching
revenues
with
expenditures,
that's
where
we
would
be
to
maintain
that
level
of
fund
balance.
You
know
we're
fully
aware
that
you
know
in
the
past,
we've
gone
through
a
recession
and
there
were
a
lot
of
things
that
had
to
be
done
to
make
sure
we
could
still
manage
as
a
city
and
as
we
come
out
of
that,
and
we
turn
the
corner.
F
We
have
to
look
at
now.
What's
the
next
five
years
hold
because
you
know
from
charlie
on,
you
went
through
a
lot
of
things,
not
just
the
rebuilding
of
the
city,
but
the
recession
and
loss
of
revenues,
and
a
lot
of
things
had
to
be
done
to
make
that
happen.
Now,
as
we
turn
the
corner
and
we're
looking
at
the
next
five
years,
what
has
to
be
done
to
continue
to
make
us
financially
solvent
and
whole
and
move
the
city
forward?
F
A
The
other
thing
we
have
to
take
into
account
is
we're
getting
very
close
to
full,
build
out
in
all
the
major
housing
developments
in
the
city.
A
R
S
S
J
S
S
S
No
as
long
as
long
as
we
do
as
long
as
we
stay
on
the
path
of,
if
we
embrace
the
form
based
codes-
and
we
do
this,
then
yes,
I
say
we
are
making
the
steps
to
get
there,
but
we
have
to
do
this.
We've
got
to
return.
Our
downtown.
We've
got
to
turn
the
switch
back
on
we're
just
we're
here.
At
this
point
now
we
have
no
choice
but
part.
J
Of
the
problem
has
been
not
that
we
weren't
willing
to
turn
the
switch
back
on
it's
the
economic
times
caused
the
switch
to
get
turned
off
and,
and
it
is,
it
wasn't
viable.
We
had
people
owning
the
property
that
were
holding
that
property
hostage
and
weren't
willing
to
they
wanted
to
to
profit
unreasonably
from
that,
the
sale
of
that
property,
that
property-
and
so
it's
been
a
scenario-
that's
gone
on
here
for
quite
some
time.
J
K
J
A
J
But
I
think
greg
is
is
very
focused
on
annexation
and
I
think
that
that's
the
thing
that
has
really
bothered
me
over
the
course
of
the
of
the
many
years
is
it's
been
in
our
city's
goals
every
year,
but
nobody's
doing
anything
about
it.
Yeah
and
so
greg
is
really
taking
a
proactive
stance
on
that.
So.
S
A
Can't
be
worrying
about
next
year's
budget
and
stop
there,
because
it's
not
going
to
get
us
anywhere
and
we're
not
going
to
get
anywhere
near
our
goals
for
the
end
for
the
end
result,
and
I
think
that
this
is
very
important
to
the
overall
picture.
Yes,
it's
a
big
chunk
of
money
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
happy
when
my
tax
bill
comes
because
I
I
can
only
imagine
what
it's
going
to
be,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
something
that
has
to
be
done.
A
R
Know-
and
I
took
an
informal
poll
of
20
people
and
to
a
person-
and
I
I
didn't
just
talk
to
my
friends
who
I
thought
would
agree
with
me
to
a
person.
They
said
I
love
punta
gorda
and
I'm
willing
to
pay
they're
willing
to
pay.
They
keep.
The
level
of
service
is
important
to
all
of
them
and
I
have
to
assume
that
that's
permission
to
raise
taxes.
T
A
E
A
F
A
As
importantly,
you
know
we
haven't
even
gotten
to
the
canal,
maintenance
things
and
that's
another
hole.
I
mean
that's
going
to
be.
F
A
whole
different
discussion
and
I
do
get
very
nervous
when
I
don't
have
a
look
ahead-
that's
several
years,
but
I
just
I
get
very
nervous
with
that.
K
F
K
J
Tourist,
our
tourism,
who
has
worked
with
the
pickleball
board
and
the
promoters
of
the
vpp
tournament.
J
AA
After
this
before
we
go
right
to
them,
so
are
you
okay
with
us,
because
we'll
come
back
at
the
next
meeting,
we'll
be
coming
back
again,
because
we
will
have
our
july
number
from
the
county
about
the
taxable
values
and
we
can
say
how
that
affected
these
projections
in
any
way
and
we'll
also
make
sure
we
put
in
any
of
the
items
that
you're
in
agreement
with.
So
I
guess
the
first
thing
I
would
ask
is:
are
you?
AA
F
AA
F
S
Start
one
thing:
this
is
a
good,
a
very
good
argument
for
annexation,
because
when
we
talk
about
our
utility
area
being
able
in
general,
you.
S
Way
to,
I
guess
balance.
This
is
that
if
we
actually
do
do
a
more
assertive
annexation
effort,
we
will
have
more
people
more
subscribers
and
that's
additional
revenues.
That
then,
will
balance
this
out.
So
the
people
won't
have
to
carry
that
weight
as
high.
R
Is
that
going
to
are
we
selling
them
short
because
of
all
the
new
things
that
we're
asking
them
to
do?
Are
they
going
to
be
fully
staffed
at
two
with
two.
F
Well,
three
and
three
is
one
per
shift,
but
then
of
course,
some
of
this
is
obviously
not
shift
related
like
an
evidence
that
type
thing
so
their
request
was
for,
and
fire
was
three
for
this
year.
So
could
we
entertain
it?
Certainly
that
was
you
know.
One
of
the
the
scenarios
you
saw
was
nine
and
a
half,
and
that
was
those
two
people.
So
that's
why
it
went
down
to
seven
and
a
half.
F
And
we
have
you
know:
fire
and
police,
for
example,
we're
looking
at
nfpa
guidelines
for
how
many
fire
do
we
need
staffing
to
meet
the
guidelines
for
safety
and
response
same
with
police.
I
mean
there's
so
much.
That's
happened
now
that,
even
if
you
look
at
our
evidence,
room
there's
so
much
there
that
it's
almost
impossible
for
one
person
to
to
manage
right
now.
F
So
when
you
go
back
to
that
other
pro
forma,
even
that
has
all
the
requests
in
you
can
see.
There's
you
know
a
difference
in
what
it
does
to
reserves
and
we're
still
being
somewhat
conservative
with
carryover
funds
that
we
know
will
help
increase
that
that
number,
as
well
as
any
annexations
or
new
constructions,
that
help
provide
additional
revenues
as
well
as
increased
assessments.
F
F
F
J
Answer
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
and
I
don't
I'm
not
necessarily
disagreeing
with
you
debbie
one
notion
I
would
give
for
consideration
is
the
fact
that
the
hiring
isn't
going
to
be
effective
until
next
april.
J
So
it's
only
going
to
be
six
months.
Six
months
later,
we're
going
to
be
going
into
fy
23.,
oh
okay,
okay,
okay,
so
it's
I
hear
what
you're
saying
they're
only
going
to
be
six
months
until
we
go
into
fy23
when
they
can.
You
know.
R
J
We've
been
adding
positions
every
year,
and,
and
so
it
was
this
year
we
added
the
you
know
was
last
year
we
had
the
community
engagement.
The
chief
asked
for
the
community
engagement
before
so
we've
been,
we've
been
sorry.
Sorry,
chief
she's
been
adding
asking
for
this,
and
we've
been
giving
her.
This
and
kind
of
you
know
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
ask
for
everything
and
I'm
going
to
get
something,
but.
J
K
AA
And
again
again,
we'll
bring
this
to
you
again
in
the
next
meeting
with
the
the
county
amounts.
We'll
definitely
have
the
seven
and
a
half.
We
can
also
bring
you
we'll
have
less
scenarios.
Maybe
we
could
just
do
the
one
other
one
just
so
that
you
have
it
to
see
again
how
the
taxable
value
might
affect
your
decisions
on
that
is
that
acceptable?
Yes,
okay,.
AA
And
then,
after
our
next
meeting,
the
second
july
meeting
is
when
you'll
have
to
decide.
What's
going
to
go
on
the
trim
and
whatever
goes
on
the
trim
in
september.
You'll
have
your
public
meetings
and
again
you
can't
go
above
what
was
on
the
trim.
You
can
always
go
down,
but
you
could
not
go
up
so.
Okay.
AA
K
AA
AA
A
AA
C
AA
I'll
get
right
into
it,
so
for
bsi
we
just
kind
of
want
to
start
out
well
where
the
fiscal
year
21
operating
assessment
was
460
dollars.
We're
going
to
show
you
four
options.
So,
of
course
that's
why
the
fiscal
year
2022
operating
assessment,
is
to
be
determined
based
on
the
discussion,
so
the
460
dollars
would
be
the
base,
and
that
would
be
a
status
quo.
So
not
increasing
any
of
our
linear
footage
per
year
for
replacement
option
b
would
be
five
hundred
and
sixty
dollars.
AA
Option
c
would
be
starting
at
the
hundred
dollar
increase,
so
starting
with
a
320
linear
fee
increase
in
fiscal
year,
22
adding
a
small
increment
per
year
of
25
assessment,
and
that
would
add
an
additional
80
feet.
80
linear
feet
each
year
thereafter
and
the
fourth
option
is
kind
of
starting
in
between
so
fifty
dollars,
so
510
dollar
assessment,
adding
160
linear
feet
to
the
program
each
year
at
that
50
assessment
per
year.
F
And
as
we
go
through
this,
if
you
do
have
specific
questions
about
canal
maintenance,
etc,
we
do
have
our
people
here
that
can
answer
those
questions
and.
C
And
this
may
be
the
appropriate
time
to
to
inform
the
canal
maintenance
assessment
district
that
the
second
district
court
of
appeals
has
issued
a
mandate
last
week
in
the
vlecko
case,
which
means
that
the
case
is
final,
the
city,
the
judgment
that
the
city
got
in
the
circuit
court
is
upheld
and
we
do
not
need
to
worry
about
any
change
in
our
assessment
or
any
type
of
refund.
AA
So
then,
in
bsi
they
had
three
projects
that
staff
had
recommended
and
we
had
during
when
we
met
with
the
advisory
board.
We
had
discussion
on
those
three
projects,
we'll
go
over
them
with
you
as
well,
but
they
recommended
only
one
project
moving
forward
and
we'll
get
to
that.
AA
This
is
just
a
little
history
and
again
we
could
go
further
back,
we
have
in
the
past
and
when
we
did
the
actual
study,
but
here
you
can
see
that
in
2018
through
2020
as
well
as
2017
was
the
dredging
assessment
rate.
We
were
able
to
pay
that
off
a
year
early.
So
that's
why
it
was
not
in
fiscal
year
2021,
and
that
was
because
the
fema
in
state
had
increased
the
percentage
that
they
were
going
to
provide
for
our
sea
walls,
replacements
that
had
from
hurricane
irma.
AA
So
again
our
base
performance,
the
460
dollar
assessment.
We
don't
show
any
additional
rate
increases
or
assessment
increases
in
there.
No
special
projects
in
the
original
base
were
in
the
pro
forma
at
all.
They
were
below
the
line.
Federal
and
state
assistance
percentage
was
the
95
that
is
still
in
the
pro
forma
for
the
riprap
mitigation.
Only
we
have
received
the
funds
on
the
actual
seawall
construction,
but
again
the
rip
rep
mitigation
has
been
delayed
due
to
permitting
and
we're
still
waiting
on
that
permitting.
AA
All
of
our
increases
that
we
went
over
in
general
fund
apply
to
these
funds
as
well
for
personnel
and
operating,
so
you
do
see
the
same
information
there.
So
the
only
thing
really
to
kind
of
talk
about
is
that
the
base
pro
forma
is
906,
linear
feet
of
sea
wall
in
the
program
and
then
in
fiscal
year,
23
through
26.
AA
Again
most
of
them
are
the
same
types
of
increases
like
the
three
percent
for
overall
operating,
but
we
did
hold
a
couple
things
flat,
so
mangrove
trimming
and
inlet
dredging
mangrove
trimming
was
at
26
000
per
year
and
inlet
dredging
is
30
000
per
year.
At
some
point
you
do
sometimes
have
to
have
an
increase
in
those,
but
generally
over
the
years
we
should
try
to
keep
it
flat
fiscal
year
2021.
We
do
currently
still
have
the
funds
available
for
constructing
the
rip
rap
mitigation
project.
AA
If
we
don't
get
our
permitting
by
the
end
of
the
year,
those
funds
will
carry
over
any
revenue
we
put
in
as
we
just
talked
about
from
fema
in
the
state.
Even
if
we
put
it
in
fiscal
year
2022,
it
would
get
moved
up.
A
year
the
special
projects
are
on
the
next
slide
and
we'll
go
over
that
and
the
advisory
board
only
recommended
one
project
staff
had
requested
a
hundred
thousand
for
fiscal
year,
2022
for
the
channel
corner
winding
project.
But
again
that's
been
moved
to
the
future
year
based
on
the
board's
recommendation.
AA
So
these
were
the
three
projects:
land
acquisition
for
staging
inlet,
widening
barge
access
and
the
channel
corner,
widening
and
again
in
the
agenda
item.
Those
project
forms
were
included.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
that,
the
staff
is
here
to
talk
about
them,
but
the
recommendation
from
the
board
was
currently
they
don't
want
to
move
forward
with
the
channel
corner
widening
they
still
want
staff
to
look
at
it
another
time
for
like
cost
benefit
and
as
well
as
the
land
acquisition
for
staging.
They
were
not
ready
to
move
forward
on
that.
AA
The
inlet
widening
was
getting
close
to
get
ready
for
construction,
so
they
asked
if
we
could
move
that
up.
So
that's
what
we
did
so
originally
it
was
spread.
AA
But
if
we
want
to
move
that's
the
one
project
they
want
to
move
forward
on
and
the
performance
shows
that
we
could
do
that
if
any
of
the
other
projects
were
needed
or
wanted
to
be
done.
AA
AA
So
again,
bsi
has
been
accumulating
funds.
45,
45
000
is
added
annually
to
their
reserve
based
on
these
types
of
projects,
knowing
that
the
staging
sites
were
kind
of
dwindling,
so
they
wanted
to
find
out
where
what
what
they
could
do
for
some
of
these
projects.
AA
So
they
started
already
including
money
set
aside
for
these
types
of
things,
so
these
funds
could
be
utilized
for
any
of
those
three
projects
to
move
forward,
so
the
reserves,
if
in
the
base
performa,
if
those
reserves
hadn't
been
used
or
as
the
recommended
for
that
recommended
project,
you
would
have
accumulated
450
000
in
reserves
by
the
end
of
fiscal
year.
2026.
AA
and
again,
additional
assessment
would
be
would
have
been
required
if
more
than
one
project
was
approved
to
move
forward
and
they
recommended
the
inlet,
widening
project,
use
these
reserves
and
any
of
the
additional
funding
that
would
have
been
accumulated.
So
it'll
just
go
back
to
regular
reserves
through
fiscal
year.
2026.
AA
AA
The
third
alternative
was
the
560,
with
the
25
increases
again
where
you
would
be
at
what
would
happen
if
you
had
done
all
three
projects
as
originally
presented,
and
then
the
fourth
one
was
starting
at
five
hundred
and
ten
dollars
with
fifty
dollar
increases
each
year
to
kind
of
build
up
and
how
that
would
look
and
again
bsi
did
opt
for
560
in
all
year,
so
not
having
the
increase
each
year
as
well
as
adding
that
one
project.
AA
So
this
is
the
recommended
how
the
performer
would
look
with
that
project
moved
up
above
and
using
so
in
2022.
You
would
have
started
with
225
000,
adding
the
extra
45
000
to
be
used
towards
that
project
and
then
letting
the
rest
of
those
45
thousands
kind
of
like
pay
back
the
fund
for
their
reserves.
A
So,
just
to
be
clear
if
we
were
to
opt
for
the
560
for
for
the
next
five
years,
that's
only
going
to
include
one
of
the
three
special
projects.
Yes,
so
it
would
have
to
be
increased
to
do
any
of
the
others.
Yes,
okay
and,
and
one
of
the
others
would
be
to
do
land
acquisition
for
a
barge
parking
station.
Where
would
that
be
located?
Do
we
know.
AB
Good
afternoon
for
the
record
kathy
miller
canal
maintenance
we
had,
can
I
ask
for
assistance?
How
do
I
get
the
elmo.
A
I
think
that's
going
to
be
another
critical
project.
That's
why
I'm
asking
the
question.
I
think
at
some
point
in
the
not
too
distant
future,
we're
going
to
be
fully
built
out
in
both
pgi
and
bsi,
and
that
may
not
be
an
option
for
us.
I
mean
it
may
have
to
be
something
that
absolutely
gets
done.
We
did.
AB
AB
Yes,
bird
store
isles
owns
the
lot
across
from
the
lock.
AB
T
B
AB
Yeah,
it
was
substantially
higher
here
is
a
table.
Sorry
for
you.
AB
There
you
go
so
they
were
recommending
replacing
17
000
lineal
feet
a
year.
T
T
T
AA
AA
If
you
look
kind
of
right
under
that
yellow,
where
all
those
zeros
are
yeah
so
right
under
that
that's
the
reserves
with
the
one
project,
so
you
do
you're
not
negative.
However,
if
you
were
to
do
place
those
two
other
projects
in
there
without
doing
an
assessment,
yes,
you
would
be
negative.
J
J
So
I
think
I
talked
with
some
of
the
canal
advisory
committee
and
they
said
that
they
they
felt
this.
This
project
that
they
want
to
do
has
been
they're
ready
to
go.
That's.
J
So
and
now
the
design
has
been
done,
everything's
been
done
and
it
was
highly
encouraged
by
officer
kennedy,
our
former
patrol
officer
for
safety
as
well,
so
they
felt
that
they
were
not
ready
to
go
on
the
there
was
more
information
they
needed
on
the
the
tip
was
at
the
tip,
widening
or
going
around
the
corners.
J
AA
But
for
the
channel
corner
winding
project,
yes,
they
I
think
they
wanted
more
of
a
cost
benefit
because
they
felt
like
it
was.
Was
it
that
certain
areas?
AB
Do
you
know
what
I'm
trying
to
say?
Yes,
again
kathy
miller,
they
were
concerned
that
the
corner
widening
project
was
only
servicing
the
north
end
of
burn
store
isles,
and
so
they
wanted
us
to
come
back
with
some
more
information.
That's
why
they
pretty
much
tabled
it.
R
R
R
When
we
get
to
these
high
assessments,
I
just
am
not
comfortable
doing
it
without
public
input.
I
mean
you
know.
The
canal
advisory
boards
are
appointed
they're,
not
elected,
they
don't
answer
to
anybody
and
they're
spending
the
citizenry
money,
and
I
would
just
I
guess
I
would
feel
better
if
I
knew
that
they
were
being
guided.
C
Well,
ultimately,
the
decision
is
made
here
at
your
final
public
hearing,
and
anybody
who
has
an
opinion
is
notified
of
the
meeting
and
are
here
to
present
any
comments
they
have
pro
or
con.
That's
that's
the
process.
J
I
don't
know
if
I've
heard
like
this
huge
well
yeah.
I
have
over
the
years
over
the
years
since
I've
lived
there,
the
original
caught
the
lock,
but
the
entrance
was
was
17
feet
wide,
not
very
wide,
and
so
it's
pretty
tricky
getting
in
and
out
through,
and
so
when
they
did.
The
first
project
was
to
remove
the
north
wall
of
the
lock
that
widened
it
to
21
feet,
so
that
was
a
help,
but
it's
been
discussed
by
the
community
for
years.
J
J
I'm
not
hearing
that
kind
of
chatter.
At
the
moment,
I
think
it's
more
people
are
getting
a
sense
more.
J
The
reality
is
setting
in
with
with
the
number
of
homes
that
are
being
built,
that
the
number
of
lots
from
which
to
stage
sea
wall
maintenance
is
rapidly
diminishing,
and
so
it's
kind
of
the
reality
is
here,
and
so
the
fact
that
we
keep
saying
we
need
to
bring
be
able
to
bring
a
barge
in
in
one
piece
because
right
now,
they're
bringing
in
in
pieces
across
for
me
there
used
to
be
two
vacant:
lots
they're,
not
one
is
not
vacant.
J
One
is
sold,
I
assume
will
be
built
on
so
it's
you
know,
the
lots
are
going
away
and
those
lots
were
used.
All
the
time
for
for
sea,
wall
maintenance,
but
and
that's
been
a
problem
is,
are
getting
into
the
burnt
store
aisles.
They
had
to
bring
the
barge
and
everything
in
in
pieces
and
then
assemble
it
okay.
So
now
they
want
to
be
able
to
bring
it
in
in
one
piece
and
in
order
to
do
that,
they've
got
to
widen
the
the
opening
more
so
that
they
can
do
that.
J
So
that's
that's
a
first
step
so.
AA
I
did
bring
the
concern
to
the
board.
You
knew
that
in
january
that
some
city
council
members
had
asked
that
they
consider
the
smaller
starting
at
a
smaller
dollar
amount,
which
is
why
it's
also
still
included
in
here,
because
I
let
them
know
that,
even
though
they're
recommending
what
they
originally
recommended,
that
I
would
still
bring
what
you
all
had
requested
as
an
option,
and
I
said
that
the
council
did
express
concern
that
maybe
some
it's
not
that
information
hasn't
been
getting
out
there
to
their
to
the
community.
AA
So
they
were,
they
did
talk
about
ways
they
could
maybe
put
in
a
newsletter
or
the
through
the
homeowners
association,
but
not
all,
not
everyone.
I
guess,
is
part
of
the
homeowners
association
and
what
else
they
could
do.
So
I
think
they
heard
your
concerns
when
I
did
talk
to
them
about
this
and
they
are
going
to
try
and
do
some
outreach.
AA
Okay,
they
did
feel
that
when
they
recommended
the
100,
that
was
a
step
down.
Because
again,
when
we,
when
the
study
was
presented,
the
the
number
the
number
of
linear
feet
of
seawall
recommended
to
go
up
per
year
is
really
a
significant
amount
higher,
but
they
were
trying
to
step
it
down
and
not
do
it
all
at
once.
J
T
B
K
T
Keep
those
costs
down,
because
at
some
point
this
is
going
to
have
to
be
done
and
if
we
keep
putting
it
off
it's
going
to
cost
just
that
much
more
at
the
time
it
needs
to
be
done
now.
Bsi
is
a
little
better
shape
than
p
pgi
and
you're.
Going
to
hear
the
same
comments
from
me
when
we
get
to
pgi
that
you.
K
T
K
T
AA
So
for
presenting
to
you,
the
next
step
will
be
when
we
come
to
you
in
july
to
say
what
would
you
like
on
the
trim
notice
for
this
assessment?
Are
you
current?
I
guess
I
would
pull
the
board
or
have
to
see
if
we
have
consensus
with
the
board
of
what
rate
you
would
like
to
see
on
there
and
also,
if
you're,
in
agreement
with
this,
this
one
project
that
they
did
recommend
moving
forward.
T
T
T
R
AA
It
was
hard,
this
is
a
very
small
fund
and
I
would
and
when
I
discussed
it
with
bsi
because
they're
like
well,
what
do
you
recommend
for
reserves
and,
of
course,
we're
16.7
percent
right,
and
we're
like
this
is
a
very
small
fund.
So
16.7
is
not
necessarily
adequate
for
this
type
of
fund
and
what
could
happen
for
a
storm?
AA
So
we,
you
know
we
did
tell
them.
You
know
a
little
higher
amount,
but
it's
hard
to
say
which
what
is
that
magic
number,
because
they
have
to
be
comfortable
with
it
as
well
of
how
much
reserves
we're
keeping
for
them
again,
not
keeping
those
reserves
and
not
using
them.
AA
AA
AA
Do
you
remember
in
bsi
how
much
seawall
had
to
be
replaced
after
irma
is
that
over
ten
thousand
hold
on
a
second?
I
might
have
that
information.
Was
it
over
two
thousand?
No,
it
was
ten
miles
of
snow.
AA
AA
Has
it
stayed
in
here?
How
many
thousands
of
feet
we
have?
No,
we
have.
I
can
give
you
that
information.
We
have
95
042
feet,
which
is
equals
to
18
miles.
They
have
currently
replaced
16
percent
of
their
system
and
the
system
started
being
constructed
back
in
1980
1980.
Yes,
yes,
they're
about
15
years
behind
pinacorda
isles.
AA
AA
I
really
don't
know
I
don't
we
don't
have
any
records
at
shows,
smarty
pants,
I'm
just
kidding.
I
don't
know
we
don't
have
any
any
notes
or
construction
plans
that
shows
the
material
they
used
back.
Then.
AA
AA
AA
AA
So
I
would
say
I
would
be
content
with
that
and
approve
the
project
that
they
want,
but
that
our
recommendation,
the
feedback,
the
feedback
back,
is
take
a
look
at
that
you're,
probably
going
to
need
to
be
doing
something
here
in
the
out
years
to
increase
the
speed
of
replacement.
Yes,
they
also
know
they
need
to
increase.
Yes,
they
do.
We
had
that
conversation.
AA
AA
AA
They
are
maintenance,
assessment
maintenance
districts,
so
they
were
intended
to
continue
to
maintain
repair,
replace
the
sea
walls
as
are
necessary
and
to
maintain
the
dredged
cuts
that
the
city
inherited
from
the
original
developers,
as
the
ordinance
is
currently
written,
and
I've
expressed
this
before
it
does
not
give
the
district
the
authority
to
create
new
infrastructure,
dig
out
part
of
the
canals
that
may
have
been
intended
to
be
constructed
by
the
developer.
But
never
never
were.
AA
I
noticed
with
respect
to
and
I'll
just
in
the
packet
was
the
rounding
of
the
corners
now,
if
that
was
not
maintenance
of
what
was
originally
constructed,
but
is
something
to
improve
the
functionality
of
the
districts
of
the
canals
in
in
bsi
and
and
it's
in
order
to
facilitate
the
use
of
of
a
bigger
barge.
AA
That
may
not
come
within
the
correct
parameters
of
the
authority
of
the
district
and
may
require
a
change
in
the
in
the
language
of
authority
in
the
district,
or
continue
to
use
the
barge
as
it's
being
used,
but
taking
it
apart
and
putting
it
back
together.
If
that's
the
only
way
that
it
can
be
done
without
rounding
the
districts
around
in
corners.
That
may
also
have
the
effect
of
saving
someone,
if
necessary,
for
having
a
larger
staging
area.
But
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
enough
about
that.
AA
If,
if
the
widening
of
the
area
is
necessary,
well
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
We
need
to
take
a
look
at
what
the
proposed
projects
are
and
make
sure
it's
consistent
with
the
enabling
language,
or
we
may
be
right
for
a
challenge
of
the
expenditure
of
the
funds
that
are
not
truly
maintenance
of
the
district.
AA
AA
I
get
it
and
the
appropriate
response.
The
changing
conditions,
if
it's
not
provided
for
in
the
current
ordinance
for
the
district
and
giving
the
district
the
authority
to
spend
money,
is
we
need
to
amend
the
authority
of
the
district
so
that
they
can
properly
spend
the
money?
Okay,
okay,
so
that's
something
that
that
then
mr
murray
can
take
a
look
at
with
his
new
paralegal
and
can
determine
yeah
what
we
don't
want
is
just
to
have
that
challenge
brought
up
again
yeah
and
it
it.
AA
Just
like
years
ago,
I
started
giving
some
warnings
about
our
sign
code
being
inconsistent
with
the
court
decisions
from
1997
or
so
I'm
beginning
to
ring
the
bell
now
with
respect
to
our
district,
enabling
legislation.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
with
that.
We
are
adjourned
as
the
bernster
isles
canal,
maintenance
assessment
district.
Does
anyone
need
a
break
before
or
we
should
we
press
on?
AA
AA
Okay
and
I'll
call
to
order
the
punta
gorda
isles
canal,
maintenance
assessment
district
good
afternoon
chris
and
simeone
for
the
record
and
we're
going
to
go
over.
This
can
be
similar
to
what
you
just
heard
for
bsi,
but
they
had
a
little
different
take
on
theirs.
AA
AA
They
also
had
four
options:
the
558
status,
seven
quo
dollars,
which
is
adding
150
assessment,
which
would
add
2,
400
linear
fee
to
the
program,
all
years,
700,
adding
the
2400
linear
fee
in
fiscal
year
2022
and
then
increasing
the
assessment
50
per
year,
thereafter,
adding
an
additional
800
of
linear
fee
each
year
and
again,
a
middle
ground
of
starting
with
625
dollar
assessment,
adding
1,
200
linear
feet
to
the
program
each
year
and
then
increasing
each
year
by
75,
so
that
same
1200
linear
feet.
AA
Here
is
their
operating
assessment.
For
the
same
time
period
they
did
have
two
years
where
they
had
the
extra
hundred
dollars
for
the
hurricane
irma
assessment.
Originally
that
was
scheduled
to
be
four
years,
but
again
because
the
increase
of
the
percentage
in
fema
and
state
we
were
able
to
drop
that
off
for
21
and
20
22..
AA
We
talked
about
the
percentage
for
the
federal
and
state.
They
have
the
same
situation
as
far
as
the
riprap
mitigation.
So
again
we
have
the
funds
currently
budgeted
for
the
rip
rap
mitigation
construction
in
this
year
with
the
revenue
coming
back
to
the
city
or
to
the
fund
in
fiscal
year
2022,
but
because
of
the
delay
in
the
permitting
that
may
wait
another
year
again,
all
the
interest
rate
or
the
percentage
increases
for
the
out
years
are
all
the
same
and
fiscal
year
2022.
AA
AA
Talked
about
the
riprap
mitigation,
the
transfer
for
repayment
of
line
of
credit.
Again
we
extended
that
line
of
credit.
We
don't
currently
have
a
balance
owed
on
it.
We
just
have
it
available
to
do
the
construction
when
the
funds
come
back
from
the
fema
in
the
state
which
currently
we
have
in
the
fiscal
year
2022
plan.
AA
You
see
that
repayment
of
debt
in
fiscal
year
2022
also,
but
again,
it's
still
if
it's
delayed
we
won't
draw
until
we
need
it
for
special
projects
is
presented
on
the
next
slide
and
the
funding
came
from
planned
reserves.
So
they
had
only
one
project
that
was
moving
forward.
The
other
one
was
put
on
hold
last
year
based
on
the
attorney's
recommendation,
and
so
we
have
the
spoilsite
channel
currently
in
there.
It
did
not
currently
need
any
funds
in
fiscal
year
2022
because
it's
still
in
the
permitting
phase.
AA
With
reference
to
this
slide,
I
don't
know
how
my
colleagues
feel
about
this,
but
I,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
we
can
remove
the
inlet,
widening
and
dredging
project
from
the
list,
because
at
this
point
I
have
not
since
since
buckley's
passes
open.
I
have
not
heard
one
incident
of
a
problem
in
pond's
channel
and
I
could
be
wrong.
Maybe
there
are
incidents
that
I'm
not
being
told
about,
but
it
was
a.
It
was
a
lot
more
of
a
problem
when
that
was
the
only
ingress
and
egress
point
to
get
into
the
harbor.
AA
AA
Yes,
it
is
dredged
and
maintained
at
six
feet,
but
we
were
recommending
to
deepen
it
and
widen
it,
and
I
would
like
to
leave
it
on
the
budget.
If
that's
okay
with
you
just
because
when
we
open
up
the
pgi
spoilsite
channel,
we're
going
to
be
bringing
barges
in
and
we're
going
to
need
that
deepened
and
widened
for
barges,
the
barges
will
access
the
ponds
inlet
to
get
to
the
spoil
site.
So
they
will
need
that.
AA
Do
we
have
any
kind
of
numbers
on
that?
I
am
not
prepared
with
that.
I
didn't
bring
that
information,
I'm
sorry
last
year
it
might
be.
Let
me
just
check
and
see
if
it
was
on
here.
I'm
sorry.
AA
As
was
mentioned
earlier,
I
have
a
huge
concern.
We're
looking
at
some
really
serious
numbers
here
for
increases
this
year
overall,
and
I
think
we
really
need
to.
We
can
get
our
last
year's
numbers,
but
obviously
they
may
have
increased
since
then
as
well,
but
again
this.
This
is
one
of
the
projects
that
we
would
have
to
work
with
the
attorney
to
maybe
address
the
ordinance
to
or
to
figure
out
a
way
to
determine
if
this
is
really
maintenance
because
again
having
to
get
the
barge
in
there
to
do
the
work.
AA
AA
AA
Who
so
we've
either
not
done
a
good
job
of
showing
that
you
know
why.
We
really
need
it
or
I'm
afraid,
like
david,
said,
that
it
doesn't
fit
the
parameters
and
we're
going
to
have
to
go
through
a
buckley's
pass
assessment
thing
all
over
again
and
I
that
we
cannot.
We
just
can't
have
it
be
from
the
canal
advisory
committee.
AA
Do
you
agree,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
moving
the
project
forward
at
all,
because
I
don't
think
it's
needed
at
this
point,
but
kathy
miller
has
brought
up
a
good
point.
I
don't,
I
think,
unfortunately
they
would
have
to
go
hand
in
hand.
Yes,
that
is
my
opinion
and
there's
no
possible
way.
We
can
throw
that
kind
of
an
increase
at
our
residence
at
one
time,
no
possible
way.
I'm
I'm
having
a
problem
with
150
dollars.
Already,
I'm
really
having
a
problem
with
that.
AA
Let's
take,
we
haven't
even
started
the
permitting
or
the
design
process
for
the
spoil
site.
Yet
we
know
that
that's
going
to
take
a
couple
years
because
we're
going
to
have
to
do
mitigation
we're
going
to
have
to
go
through
army
corps
and
national
fisheries.
That's
going
to
take
a
couple
years
for
us
to
go
through.
AA
That's
why
we
were
able
to
get
away,
and
so
will
this
so
this
for
the
other
properties
on
the
west
side
of
pgi,
and
I
would
demand
that
it
be
a
west
and
southwest
section
of
pgi
be
assessed
on
that.
That's
right!
I
would
because
that's
not
right
yeah,
because
we
don't
we
don't
use
that
any
longer.
We
use
buckley's
past
now,
yeah,
because
that's
our
that's
our
determination
is
the
benefit
area.
Yeah!
That's
where
we,
but
can
you
imagine
what
it
would
be?
If
we
just
do
it,
I
mean
what
the
cost
would
be.
AA
AA
Okay
and
again,
because
it's
on
hold,
it's
not
going
to
be
in
the
performance
that
I
showed
you
anyway.
Okay,
just
so
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
I
think
we're
all
getting
cranky.
It's
been
a
long
day.
Yes,
okay,
so
talking
to
pgi.
They
just
wanted
us
to
add
the
slides
that
they
had
seen
in
about
the
from
the
study
just
so
that
there
was
some
additional
information
so
again
how
many
linear
feet
are
in
their
whole
system?
AA
How
old
the
system
is,
how
much
is
replaced
to
date
and
what
was
the
estimated
life
of
the
sea
walls?
So
again
they
were
getting.
You
know
within
about
that
time
frame,
another
nine
years
to
the
end
of
life
and
how
much
the
study
had
requested
or
estimated
should
be
replaced
per
year.
AA
So
again
we
have
our
current
budgeted
amount
for
sea
walls
in
total,
and
this
is
just
a
sea
wall
replacement
because
again
pgi,
it's
also
the
canal
system,
but
we're
just
looking
at
the
sea
walls
here.
So
it
is
approximately
one
point:
almost
9
million
1.85
and
so
that's
rounded-
to
about
317
per
linear
foot,
which
approximately
5
850
linear
feet
scheduled
replacement
per
year,
and
this
was
at
the
time
of
the
study
so
of
course,
for
two
years,
almost
two
years
down
the
road
in
our
projections.
AA
So
they
had
estimated
an
increase
of
7727
linear
feet
per
year
up
to
a
total
of
13
577
per
linear
feet
per
year,
so
that
estimated
increase
in
assessment.
If
you
were
trying
to
get
to
that
level,
would
have
been
471
dollars
per
year
and
then,
of
course,
once
the
whole
system
was
replaced,
you
could
kind
of
say.
Okay
now
we
can
go.
How
much
do
we
need
for
every
year
over
50
years
to
kind
of
get
there,
so
this
was
just
a
slide
from
a
while
back
showing
that
information.
AA
So
again,
here
is
the
base
pro
forma
at
the
550
in
all
years
and
just
showing
at
the
bottom,
what
the
study
recommended
with
that
extra
amount,
how
much
the
assessment
rate
would
have
been
and
what
that
looks
like
and
again
the
reserve
seawall.
The
only
project
is
that
is
in.
There
was
the
spoil
site,
channel
mitigation
and
construction.
AA
The
second
alternative
was
again
going
up
the
150
dollars,
no
other
changes,
but
just
increasing
their
program.
AA
Then
the
third
one
was
again
starting
at
seven
hundred
dollars
and
increasing
some
increment
per
year
to
again
keep
accounting
for
getting
up
to
where
the
study
recommended
as
well
as
you
know,
just
recognizing
that
costs
increase
per
year.
So
as
costs
increase
per
year,
if
you're
leaving
your
assessment
the
same,
it
would
mean
a
little
less
feet
per
year.
So.
AA
And
then
alternative
d
again
starting
at
a
75
dollar
increase,
would
mean
a
625
dollar
assessment
and
how
that
looks,
and
then
increasing
seventy
five
dollars
per
year
up
until
twenty
twenty
six,
the
pgi
board
recommended
they
preferred
showing
those
extra
incremental
increases
in
each
year.
So
that
is
what
they
are
recommending,
starting
at
the
150
again,
when
that
was
their
recommendation
to
council.
They
again
said
that
that
for
them,
that
was
the
step
from
the
471.
AA
AA
Yes
and
again,
700
is
way
below
what
I
think
was
recommended
by
the
study
recently,
so
we're
still
putting
off
something
that
eventually
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with,
and
so,
if
we
go
this
way
and
don't
increase
it
they're
proposing
50
a
year
that
might
do
it,
I'm
not
sure,
but
if
you
don't
do
at
least
that-
and
we
have
to
do
something
in
three
years-
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
bigger
number.
AA
AA
Year,
I'm
having
a
real
problem
with
this
number,
I'm
so
sorry,
kathy
miller.
I
just
wanted
to
state
some
information
punta
gorda
isles
has
47
of
their
system
has
been
replaced.
So
that's
almost
fifty
percent
okay,
they
have
a
total
of
four
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
three
lineal
feet
in
their
district.
So
half
of
that's
already
been
replaced.
AA
I
don't
know
what
is
how
many
millennial
fees
seven
thousand
currently
you're
did
that
count.
What
we're
you're
about
4770
per
year
base
currently
we're
doing
about
this
and
I'm
sorry
what
was
the
number
with
for
overall
400
4770
linear
feet
per
year,
but
what's
the
total
amount
of
linear
feet,
we
have
four
hundred
and
eighty
two,
fifty
three
right
so
hold
on
it's
about
a
percent
right,
yeah,
so
kathy
from
your
calculations
is.
Is
this
proposal
going
to
build
enough
new
seawall
to
keep
us
going
appropriately?
AA
I
hope
so,
let's
let
us
all
understand
that
all
of
our
assessments
and
inspections
are
based
on
surface.
Those
are
surface
inspections.
We
don't
know
what's
going
on
underground,
okay,
that's
why
during
rainy
season,
especially
when
we
have
three
inch
rains
every
day,
we
have
failures
because
we
don't
know
what's
going
on
underground,
what
level
of
failure
are
we
getting
in
pgi
these
days?
AA
So
we
have
none
so
far:
okay,
okay,
yeah,
and
what
did
we
have
last
year
in
total,
I
had
one
sea
wall
last
year,
80
feet
one
seawall.
This
is
why
I'm
having
a
problem
with
all
these
big
high
numbers,
but
but
the
the
before
irma,
I
had
six
properties,
six
properties
that
had
failed
sea
walls
before
irma
right
irma
swept
out
a
lot
of
those
sea
walls
that
were
questionable
a
lot
of
exactly
the
point.
AA
They
swept
out
a
lot
of
the
sea
walls
that
were
in
the
on
the
verge
of
collapsing
anyway,
and
it
just
kind
of
forced
the
issue
and-
and
my
my
concern
is
I
you
know.
While
I
understand
the
study
numbers
are
important
to
some
people.
I
I
happen
to
think.
That's
a
really
aggressive
number
and
I
have
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
who
are
very
unhappy
with
this.
AA
This
kind
of
an
increase-
yes,
I
we
need
to
keep
the
program
going
and
maybe
we
need
to
ramp
it
up
a
little
bit
but
increasing
it
by
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
year
for
the
first
year
and
then
another
fifty
dollars
additional
each
a
year
after
that
plus
we're
talking
about
three
hundred
dollars
for
the
average
house
in
bur
in
pgi
this
year
for
taxes
for
ad
valorem
taxes
and
we're
talking
about
what
we
don't
know
that
the
county
or
the
school
district
are
going
to
add
on
we're
talking
about
a
thousand
dollar
increase
in
taxes.
AA
For
all
these
things,
combined
for
the
average
resident
in
pgi.
That's
a
serious
amount
of
increase
in
taxes,
serious
amount,
and
I
and
I
I
get-
I
love
the
maintenance
program
for
the
canals.
I
think
it's
it's
the
best
thing
going
since
sliced
bread
and
we
are
way
ahead
of
the
curve
compared
to
other
communities
who
are
still
trying
to
get
sea
walls
replaced
from
irma.
But
this
is
a
really
really
steep
increase
and
you
guys
aren't
the
ones
that
are
going
to
get
the
phone
calls.
AA
AA
AA
Can
I
say
something
while
you're
thinking?
Yes,
my
problem
with
this
is
that
this
is
just
going
to
hit
our
residents
out
of
the
blue
they've
had
no
warning
that
this
was
coming,
and
personally
I
feel
like
I've
been
blindsided
by
this
huge
number.
You
know
we
should
have
been.
AA
AA
AA
I
did
express
to
them
that
in
january,
when
they
brought
that
the
board
had,
you
know
provided
what
they
recommended,
which
was
the
150
that
there
had
been
some
concern
that
that
was
too
high.
AA
Again
they
expressed
to
us
and
pga
was
the
first
one
that
we
had
presented
this
to,
and
they
said
that
was
the
cut
back
version
and
they
were,
they
felt.
150
was
needed.
Now
we
expressed
also
that
the
board-
you
know
the
council
had
concern
about
the
outreach
to
residents.
So
again,
that's
where
I
don't
know
what
they're
doing
to
reach
the
residents
so
that
they're
prepared
for
this.
But
we
there's
been
no
outreach
because
we
didn't
know
anything
about
this.
AA
When
I
met
with
them,
they
had
not
heard
of
this
at
all,
so
there
there
has-
and
I
might
also
throw
in
that-
we
are
now
going
to
be
paying
an
additional
stipend
to
the
county
for
the
buckley's
pass
channel
and
where
I
live,
I'm
the
only
one
that
gets
checked
paying
that
on
this
on
this
panel.
Well,
I
mean
yes,
but
you
were
already
paying
it
right.
AA
I'm
talking
about
the
pgi
people
who
are
going
to
get
nailed
on
all
of
this
stuff,
and
you
know
in
addition
to
that,
we're
still
paying
for
buckley's
pass.
In
some
cases
it
was
a
three-year
buyout
if
you
didn't
pay
it
all
at
one
time,
so
this
is
going
to
be
another
tax
hit
for
people.
We
can't
we
just
can't
do
it.
AA
What
happened
if
in
the
paper,
there
was
not
bad
but
an
article
that
talked
about
the
future
of
the
canal
district
and
what
improvements
may
be
needed
just
to
kind
of
give
some
sort
of
description
and
describe
it
before
we
hit
them
with
this
kind
of
I
mean,
I
think
we
need
to
give
people
a
story
before
I
let
them
go
to
the
crazy
place,
because
I
can
see
this
really
being
problematic.
AA
I
don't
know
this
is
greg
already.
I
think
you
set
this
discussion
up
already
about
what
the
canal
system
is
doing.
Yeah
I
was
just
looking
at,
I
think
he
said
people
were
gonna
have
to
move.
I
really
I
first
of
all.
I
would
also
like
to
throw
out
there
that
you
know
I
wish
we
had
kept
the
assessment
at
6
50,
which
is,
which
is
what
it
was
for
two
years
after
irma
and
if
we
had
left
it
at
that
and
just
maintained
it
at
6.50.
We
wouldn't
be
having
this
discussion
today.
AA
John
okay,
I
agree
the
number
is
stiff
and
maybe
we
have
to
start
somewhere
else,
but
don't
forget
I
mean
you
just
said
it
yourself.
We
should
have
kept
it
at
6.50,
because
every
year
we
let
it
go,
we're
running
the
risk
that
it's
got
to
go
up
a
lot
more
and
we
have
not
increased
it
significantly
over
10
12
years,
except
for
that
100
that
one
year
with
a
hundred
dollars,
it
went
from
400
to
one
to
550.
AA
AA
What
is
this
one
right
here
you
got
75.
This
was
the
middle
range
that
council
had
asked
for
so
instead
of
starting
at
150,
starting
at
75
and
increasing
at
75
dollars
per
year.
AA
Until
you
get
up
as
an
alternative
to
the
one
that
the
board
recommended.
AA
It's
not
not
too
much
different
right.
It's
just
the
amount
of
seawall
added
per
year
will
be
1200,
linear
feet
versus
2400
linear
fee
and
then
you're
increasing
it.
So
obviously
the
other
one
only
increased
fifty
dollars
per
year,
but
because
you're
increasing
this
one
75,
you
do
eventually
get
there
you're,
just
starting
at
a
smaller
amount
and
I'm
getting
there.
AA
AA
If
you
need
to
talk
to
the
project,
I
can
justify
an
increase
for
maintenance,
but
a
lot
of
people
saw
that
inlet,
widening
and
deepening
and
that
blew
them
out
of
the
water.
So
as
long
as
I
think
we're
talking
maintenance,
I'm
still
not
well,
I'm
still
not
ready
for
something
that
widening
project
is
not
in
this
pro
forma
at
all.
Yeah.
You
and
I
know
that,
but
it
showed
up
on
the
sheet
yeah.
We
just
put
it
there
to
show
that
it
was
still
on
hold.
AA
Because
again
we
had
some
concerns
from
the
attorney
and
again,
the
board
still
asked
us
to
continue
looking
at
it.
Okay,
so
can
you
live
with
75
this
year?
AA
I
can
live
with
anything
you
give
me
I'll.
Just
do
it
I'll
do
whatever
work
I
can
do
with
with
the
money
I
have
that's
all
I
could
live
with,
bringing
it
back
up
to
a
hundred
dollars
to
where
it
was
two
years
ago
and
making
it
650.
But
700
is
just
I
I'm
choking
just
thinking
about
it.
AA
AA
Opinion,
it's
a
it's
a
really
steep
jump,
I'm
looking
for,
since
you
all
are
in
pgi
and
to
get
more
guidance
from
the
three
of
you.
Then
you
know
you're.
I
don't
have
don't
get
a
lot
of
feedback
from
people
about
the
pgr
canal
district,
so
well
to
add
a
new
element
to
this.
We
we
got
the
study
of
what
it
was
going
to
take
to
replace
things
over
the
next
50
years
and
it
sounds
like
we
don't
really
understand.
AA
AA
Would
you
say
we
were
permitted
for
how
many
linear
feet
do
we
have
a
permit
for
eight
thousand
millennial
feet?
That's
both
districts!
Okay!
So
it's
unrealistic
to
do
this
number
anyway.
We
can't
go
more
than
that.
Is
that
what
you're
saying
that's,
what
the
that's,
what
our
current
permit
states?
What
does
that
mean?
Does
that
mean
it's?
You
can't!
Well,
if
I
have
a
failure,
if
I
have
a
failure,
I
have
to
fix
those
and
that's
not
included
in
that
number.
AA
So
we
can't
we
can't
go
too
much
higher
anyway
yeah
I,
but
we
are
in
the
current
process
of
renewing
our
seawall
permit
and
we
are
asking
part
of
our
permit
applications
to
increase
that
number
to
12
000.
Is
that
correct?
Twenty
four
thousand
millennial
feed
a
year
yeah,
you
know
assume
the
argument.
I
assume
the
argument
for
doing.
That
is
that
we
you
realize
that
you
have
to
replace
more
over
the
time
over
time
or
you're
going
to
be
behind
in
a
number
of
years.
AA
Otherwise,
why
are
you
correct
that
permit's
going
to
be
about
10
years
that
permit's
going
to
be
good
for
10
years
so
doesn't
mean
we
have
to
replace
24
000
feet
each?
I
understand
that,
but
24
is
a
big
number
compared
to
eight
yeah
thousand.
AA
Okay,
what's
what's
what's
everybody's
thoughts
on
this
because
we
gotta
move
this
forward,
I'm
not
at
all
comfortable
going
over
dollars
without
giving
them
a
big
heads
up,
even
a
hundred.
I
don't
I
don't
like
it
without
letting
them
know
it's
coming.
AA
AA
AA
AA
Commercial,
so
you're
saying
a
hundred
dollars
at
least
a
hundred
dollars.
I
mean
I
think
we
have
to.
I
mean
if
we're
looking
at
this
right
here,
I
I
don't
think
any
less
a
hundred
dollars.
I
think
that
sounds
like
going
using
the
logic
or
the
at
least
justification.
Is
it's
really
going
back
to
yeah
what
was
in
place
yeah,
even
though
it
was
a
temporary
temporary
thing,
but
at
least
it's
going
back
to
something
that
was
there
well
I'll,
make
a
motion
to
increase
to
6.50
for
next
year
only
this
year.
AA
I
think
I
saw
john
a
second
yeah.
Oh
you
did
second,
okay.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
increase
the
pgi
canal,
maintenance
assessment
district
fund
to
650
for
calendar
year
2022,
and
we
will
reevaluate
next
year.
Can
I
comment
now
part
of
our
explaining
this
to
the
world
is
what
we
just
did,
plus
what
we
may
have
to
do
in
the
future.
AA
AA
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
hi
motion
carries
four
to
one
and
we
are
adjourned
as
the
pontcha
gorda
isles
canal,
maintenance,
assessment
district
and
we
will
move
on
and
reconvene
as
city
council
and
we
are
at
recommendation
from
city
officers,
city
manager.
Do
you
have
anything?
I've
said
enough.
I
believe.
AA
AA
Just
I'm
gonna
be
real,
quick
under
vacancies
for
boards
and
committees.
We
have
two
alternates
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
three
regular
and
two
alternates
on
the
code
enforcement
board.
We
still
have
the
general
employees
pension
board.
Fifth
member,
however,
that
board
meets
tomorrow
and
that
position
will
be
filled.
AA
We
actually
have
one
applicant
for
the
consumer
advocate,
that's
mrs
mueller,
and
then
we
have
two
folks
interested
in
the
contractor
position.
So
I
thought
what
we
could
do
if
you're,
if
you're
minimal,
go
ahead
and
nominate
and
appoint
mrs
mueller,
if
you're
so
inclined
and
then
just
nominate
the
two
individuals
who
are
interested
for
the
contractor
seat,
I'm
nominating
a
point
and
then
and
then
nominate
the
two
who
are
interested
and
that
needs
to
be
a
motion
for
mrs
mueller
motion
from
you
made
the
motion:
yes
I'll.
AA
Second,
it,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
nominate
and
appoint
mrs
mueller
as
the
consumer
advocate
for
the
building
board.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously
and
then
nominate.
All
interested
parties
for
the
contractor
position
doesn't
require
a
motion
desk
nomination
dominate
all.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
and
that's
all
I
have
okay.
It
was
easy.
AA
The
only
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
under
policy
and
legislation
is,
I
wanted
to
welcome
our
our
new
paralegal,
who
is
probably
she's,
probably
run
out
the
door
by
now
after
today's
meeting,
but
welcome
to
sabrina
missouri
and
we
look
forward
to
having
her
aboard
and
having
a
full
team
in
the
city
manager's
office.
Again,
okay,
council
member
comments,
mr
miller,
my
voice
is
gone.
AA
AA
The
fact
that
we
had
a
very
aggressive
policy
towards
the
open
house
signs
which
pushed
us
to
the
point
where
it
looked
like
we
weren't
being
content
neutral,
so
we
had
to
actually
make
an
effort
to
actually
create
an
ordinance
to
articulate
this,
and
that
is
the
action
that
we
took.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
understood.