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Regular City Council Meeting 9-22-2021
B
C
D
Good
morning
it's
nine
o'clock
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
september
22,
2021
city
council
meeting.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
city
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building.
If
you
would
please
stand
and
join
me
for
the
invocation
followed
by
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
F
Thank
you
miss
mayor
on
september,
6
1774.
The
first
act
of
the
first
session
of
the
continental
congress
was
to
pass
a
resolution
to
open
its
next
meeting
with
prayer,
the
prayer
included,
psalms
35,
and
these
following
words:
o
lord,
our
heavenly
father,
high
and
mighty
king
of
kings
and
lord
of
lords,
who
dusts
from
thy
throne.
Behold
all
the
dwellers
on
earth
and
reigneth,
with
power
supreme
and
uncontrolled
over
all
the
kingdoms,
empires
and
governments
look
down
in
mercy.
F
We
beseech
thee
on
these
american
states
desiring
to
be
henceforth
dependent
only
on
thee
to
thee.
They
have
appealed
for
righteousness
for
their
cause
to
thee.
Do
they
now
look
for
countenance
and
support
which
you
alone
can
give
take
them.
Therefore,
heavenly
father
under
thy
nurturing
care,
be
thou
present,
god
of
wisdom
and
direct
the
counsels
of
this
honorable
assembly
that
order
harmony
and
peace
may
be
effectually
restored
and
truth
and
justice,
religion
and
piety
prevail
and
flourish
among
thy
people
and
crown
them
with
everlasting
glory
in
the
world
to
come.
D
G
Not
going
that
far
and
you
don't
get
rid
of
me,
I'm
working
on
too
many
boards
in
town
so
but
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity
to
say
goodbye
just
about
a
little
over
six
years
ago
that
I
first
met
nancy
and
started
serving
with
her
followed
a
year
later,
with,
with
jaha
and
and
mayor
mayor
matthews,
and
then
three
years
ago,
with
debbie
and
john,
you
followed
in
my
footsteps
and-
and
you
had
the
great
on
that
honor,
it's
a
wonderful
adventure
and
I
hope
you've
enjoyed
it.
G
I
want
to
say
I
want
to
wish
you
all
a
shot
of
tovah
a
sweet
new
year.
It's
57-82
my
how
time
flies,
and
with
that
said
it
was.
It's
been
a
wonderful
journey.
This
is
an
incredible
community
and
we
do
we'll
still
be
involved
in
the
community,
but
we'll
be
living
up
in
venice,
not
too
far
away
and
do
leave
it
with
some
trepidation.
G
But
I
wanted
to
leave
you
with
some
words
and
I've
left
copies
of
those
words
with
you
at
the
same
time,
but
I'd
like
for
the
record
to
be
able
to
recite
these
words,
and
these
are
from
theodore
roosevelt
at
a
speech
that
he
gave
in
paris,
france
of
the
suburb
in
april,
23
1910
and
it's
a
it's
part
of
these
words
have
been
repeated
by
a
numerous
president
since
then
at
various
times,
and
it's
from
his
speech
called
the
citizenship
in
a
republic.
G
G
G
They
mark
the
men
unfit
to
bear
their
part
painfully
in
the
stem
strife
of
living
who
seek
in
the
excuse
me
who
seek
in
the
affection
of
contempt
for
the
achievements
of
others,
to
hide
from
others
and
from
themselves
and
their
own
weakness.
G
G
Shame
on
the
man
of
the
cultivated
taste,
who
permits
refinement
to
develop
into
fastidiousness
that
unfits
him
for
doing
the
rough
work
of
a
workaday
world
again.
This
was
theodore.
Roosevelt
april
23
1910.,
I
have
had
spirited
disagreements
with
every
one
of
you,
even
you,
john,
but
not
so
much
you,
because
I
haven't
had
so
much
opportunity,
but
there
was
one
thing
that
united
us
all,
even
in
our
spirited
disagreements,
is
that
we,
with
the
best
of
our
ability
and
our
position
and
our
knowledge,
always
wanted
to
do
with
what
was
best
for
punta
gorda.
H
If
I
could
just
mention
regarding
mr
wine
there's
many
times,
I've
been
asked
about
the
gary
wine
speed
bumps
and
I've
routinely
said
that
I
no
longer
have
snow
plows
under
my
command
that
can
accidentally
catch
them
and
remove
them.
So
we
thank
him
every
time.
I
see
you
for
that
for
the
discussions.
I
have
them.
D
D
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
board
should
use
the
guest
podium
by
the
entrance
door
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
Each
person
has
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
their
comments
to
the
city
council
members.
Only
not
the
audience,
not
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
be
heard.
D
Speakers
should
be
requested
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation,
no
applause
or
booing
before,
during
or
after
any
speaker.
D
If
you
have
supporting
documents
that
you
would
like
to
bring
on
the
record,
you
will
have
to
provide
a
copy
of
the
document
for
the
city
clerk's
office
to
keep
on
record
and
the
city.
The
citizens
comment
section
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
is
not
excuse
me,
that's
irrelevant,
because
we
stopped
doing
that.
Those
are
the
main
items
that
I'd
like
to
make
sure
everyone
is
aware
of
before
we
offer
citizen
comments
at
this
time.
I
Good
morning,
gene
ertha
pontegorta
president
and
chairman
of
the
charlotte
county
republican
party
executive
committee,
at
our
last
two
monthly
meetings
of
the
charlotte
county
republican
executive
committee,
it
was
agreed
that
the
recently
enacted
punta
gorta
city
sign
ordinance,
addressing
the
banning
of
certain
content
on
signage,
including
flags,
apparel
or
accoutrements,
which
include
signs
or
flags
on
any
vehicle
or
vessel,
is
in
direct
violation
of
a
united
states
constitution.
First
amendment
which
protects
our
rights
to
free
speech.
I
We
now
we
know
that
your
intentions
on
controlling
crude
language
may
have
been
well
intended,
but
you
cannot
let
the
obnoxious
behavior
of
a
few
trample
on
and
deny
the
rights
of
all
others
to
express
themselves
as
protected
by
the
first
amendment,
which
is
what
this
ordinance
does.
We
requested
the
city
council
reconsiders
this
ordinance
and
eliminates
banning
specific
content
wordings
such
as
section
11.5
prohibited
science,
paragraph
z.
I
This
wording
is
restrictive
and
wrought
with
unbridled
governmental
overreach
and
attacking
their
rights
to
express
oneself
considering
it
has
been
enacted
in
the
interim.
Perhaps
the
city
council
should
publish
in
the
sun
newspaper
and
place
on
its
website
the
specific
and
exact
list
of
now
forbidden
words
or
graphics
in
punta
gorta
punta
gorta
citizens
have
a
right
to
know
what
they
are
now
forbidden
to
use
or
potentially
be
fined
for
expressing
this
whole
initiative
by
the
city
closely
parallels
restrictive
behavior
of
the
left-wing
communists
or
right-wing
fascist
regimes
throughout
world
history.
I
Those
regimes
all
knew
that
it
was
impossible
to
have
an
honest
and
open
election
without
free
speech
and
a
free
press,
so
they
attacked
and
banned
both.
Currently,
this
ordinance
leaves
any
signage
or
flag
worthy
up
to
the
discretion
of
a
tribunal
of
a
few
and
denies
the
individual
from
expressing
their
opinions
in
the
manners
which
they
so
choose.
This
is
not
a
partisan
issue,
but
a
united
states
constitutional
right,
which
the
city
has
absolutely
no
right
to
deny.
We
encourage
all
democrats
and
all
independents
to
join
us
in
this
challenge.
I
As
I
said,
we
understand
the
council's
good
intentions,
but
this
must
be
reversed,
since,
if
not,
it
will,
without
a
doubt,
be
shortly
heading
to
the
appeals
court
system,
the
system,
the
city
does
not
need
to
be
spending
citizen
dollars
on
legal
fees
that
will
undoubtedly
be
wasted.
This
is
on
top
of
city
taxpayers,
facing
a
16
percent
city
tax
increase
and
the
city
already
having
received
negative
press
in
this
issue
on
this
issue
in
the
new
york
times,
article
dated
july
27
2021..
I
If
you
should
need
any
assistance
addressing
this
issue,
please
let
us
know
we
look
forward
to
the
council
quickly
addressing
this
issue
to
restore
the
free
speech
rights
of
the
united
states,
citizens
in
the
city
of
punta
gorta.
Remember
the
famous
saying
I
disapprove
of
what
you
say
but
we'll
defend
to
the
death
you're
right
to
say
it.
This
is
exactly
what
we
plan
to
do.
We
await
your
decision.
Respectfully,
gene
murtha,
chairman
of
the
charlotte
county
republican
executive
committee.
Thank
you.
J
J
J
Objections
to
certain
words
aren't
valid
exceptions,
but
you
didn't
care
city
officials
declared
the
ordinance
was
content
neutral,
but
how
people
were
cited
after
authorities
read
their
political
signs
and
determined
the
messages
were
prohibited,
thus
making
this
ordinance
content
based.
Despite
your
claims
in
72,
the
supreme
court
ruled
in
cohen
v,
california,
that
paul
cohen
had
a
constitutional
right
to
wear
a
jacket
with
the
words
f,
the
draft
into
a
crowded
courthouse.
J
The
court
ruled
that,
no
matter
how
offensive
that
word
was
or
who
saw
it,
his
peaceful
protest
was
protected
political
speech,
not
obscenity
not
fighting
words,
they
declared
such
words
couldn't
be
suppressed
or
made
illegal.
You
didn't
care
and
criminalize
political
speech.
The
co-indecision
distinguished
profanity,
from
obscenity
by
declaring
the
f
word,
was
an
expression
of
protest.
Not
obscenity
state
and
vulgarity
can't
be
interpreted
literally.
To
do
so
is
stupid,
ignorant
or
naive.
J
Even
the
merriam-webster
dictionary,
which
the
ordinance
has
as
its
final
arbitrator,
on
the
meaning
of
words,
defines
the
f
word
as
the
publicly
object
or
criticize,
but
this
was
ignored,
resulting
in
fines
for
simply
using
foul
language,
justice.
Holland
said,
if
you
don't
want
to
look
at
a
word,
you
don't
like
then
look
the
other
way.
That's
the
legal
remedy.
When
people
objected
to
the
display
of
political
speech,
they
didn't
like
you
didn't
tell
them
to
do
that.
Instead,
you
placated
them
and
banned
protected
political
speech.
J
Perhaps
you
didn't
see
it
that
way,
but
that's
what
you
did.
He
said
it
wasn't
california's
job
to
legislate,
civility
that
states
aren't
the
guardians
of
public
morality
or
public
discourse.
You
didn't
care
and
past
an
ordinance
control
what
words
people
use,
despite
having
neither
responsibility
nor
the
authority.
Think
about
this.
The
supreme
court
allows
people
to
wear
a
jacket
that
says
that's
the
draft
into
court,
but
anyone
who
wears
that
jacket
into
punta
gorda
will
be
in
violation
of
your
law.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
Some
of
this
will
be
a
repeat
members
of
the
board.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
In
some
ways
we
have
an
advantage.
I
know
you
folks
are
work
very
hard
to
do
the
very
best
that
you
can
in
all
ways
in
a
situation
like
this,
you
have
30
issues
before
us,
I'm
retired
and
at
least
for
a
day
or
two.
I've
only
got
one
so
the
one
issue
here
that
obviously,
is
the
issue
of
profanity
and
it's
already
been
directed
to
some
extent.
C
Well,
yes,
at
one
time
in
1942,
justice,
murphy
stated
very
famously
that
you
had
that
there
was
a
constitutional
right
to
control
words
that
were
lewd,
obscene
profane
or
fighting
words.
C
C
C
C
Oh
real
quick
yard
signs:
there's
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
regulate
yard
signs.
C
K
K
Though
the
discussion
did
provoke
some
thought,
as
I
read
the
public,
the
the
public
comment
or
whatever
it
is
on
the
agenda
might
understand-
and
please
please
tell
me
if
I'm
mistaken,
so
that
I
can
cease.
It
might
understand
that
the
two
items
on
the
agenda
are
to
increase
our
refuse
collection,
which
includes
yard
waste,
green
waste
and
the
whole
lot,
and
as
well
as
our
water
sewer.
K
K
K
K
D
D
E
E
L
L
Having
said
that,
then
I've
had
to
come
to
the
conclusion
that
the
only
reason
you
did
it
that
you
didn't
think
you'd
find
anyone
objecting
to
it
and
you
could
probably
get
away
with
it
and
that's
fine.
I
understand
that
in
this
community
it's
a
nice
community
we're
in
a
very
safe
community,
and
we
have,
ladies
and
gentlemen
here
and
a
big
retirement
community.
Nobody
out
there
likes
those
signages.
L
Nobody
else
out
there
likes
to
see
that
but
you've
accomplished
a
mission
and
we
don't
see
those
signages
out
there
anymore
now
my
opinion,
the
people
that
do
those
vulgarities
on
a
signage.
They
typically
have
no
imagination.
They
typically
probably
have
limited
vocabulary
and
they're
looking
for
attention.
These
things
can
go
away
after
a
while,
but
just
ignore
them.
But
right
now
I
think
you
may
have
crossed
the
constitution
line
and
I
think
that's
a
slippery
slope
that
you
probably
don't
want
to
go
down.
I
think
that
would
be
a
mistake.
D
Anyone
else
last
call
okay:
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
agenda
item
and
that
is
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
audience
who
would
like
to
introduce
themselves
as
a
potential
board
or
committee
nominee.
Please
come
to
the
podium
and
introduce
yourself
sorry-
and
I
didn't
mean
to
cut
you
short
before,
but
we
do
have
a
special
thing
on
the
agenda
for
that.
E
Yeah
again,
my
name
is
tim
sullivan
and
I'm
a
candidate
for
the
point
of
order.
Isles
kennel
advisory
committee,
my
wife
and
I
joanne-
moved
to
to
punta
gorda
for
a
little
over
four
years
ago.
From
connecticut
my
professional
background
is
I'm
an
environmental
engineer
and
we
lived
in
town
in
ridgefield
connecticut
and
there
I
was
a
volunteer
fireman
for
35
years
and
also
a
member.
E
B
Obviously,
a
resident
of
puente
gorda
and
I'm
interested
in
participating
in
the
code
enforcement
board.
I
believe
you
have
my
resume
some
things
that
aren't
in
there
I'm
getting
ready
to
retire
for
the
second
time
october
1st.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
and
married
for
37
years,
three,
adult
children
and
a
dog
named
lou.
D
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
offering
to
serve.
Is
there
anyone
else
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
introduce
themselves?
Okay.
Our
next
agenda
item
is
something
very
special.
We
have
a
service
award,
that's
being
given
to
someone
who's
been
with
the
city
for
a
number
of
years,
city
manager,
murray,
is
this.
You
are
going
to
be
done.
F
Good
morning
for
the
record,
joan
lebeau
urban
design
director,
some
of
you
may
remember
that
julie
ryan
was
hired
in
the
building
department
first
and
when
the
growth
management
director
hired
her
for
the
administrative
assistant
in
urban
design,
we
didn't
know
what
to
expect
she
began
taking
on
projects,
cleaning
up
files,
setting
up
processes
and
organizing
and
reorganizing
our
office.
She
was
quick
to
jump
in
and
develop
a
plan
of
action
for
all
of
our
new
projects.
She's
creative,
determined,
confident,
dependable,
organized
and
assertive.
F
She
has
climbed
through
the
system
and
is
now
our
senior
project
manager
in
an
effort
to
improve
our
productivity.
She
started
the
monthly
meeting
projects
which
includes
all
departments
involved
in
all
of
the
projects
that
we
have
on
our
task
list.
She
was
instrumental
in
developing
the
award-winning
arbor
day
program
and
she
is
key
in
training.
Our
new
staff
members,
as
well
as
our
ada
compliance
issues.
Many
times
she
works
behind
the
scenes
without
little
recognition.
F
D
M
D
E
D
B
B
An
ordinance
such
as
ours,
it
involved
the
criminal
prosecution
of
disturbing
the
peace
by
a
gentleman
who
had
a
jacket
with
the
f
word
on
it,
the
court,
the
u.s
supreme
court,
made
it
very
clear
that
having
the
f-word
on
a
jacket
where
there
wasn't
any
type
of
physical
altercation,
ruckus
response
by
those
that
saw
it
did
not
constitute
disturbance
of
the
peace
that
would
warrant
the
criminal
prosecution
of
mr
cohen.
In
that
case,
the
court
did
not
overturn
other
supreme
court
decisions.
It
talked
about
how
fighting
words
are
not
protected
free
speech.
B
With
respect
to
the
fighting
words
provision.
The
courts
have
subsequently
said
that
it
has
to
be
something
that's
directed
to
an
individual
of
such
a
nature.
That
would
cause
that
individual
to
react
violently.
There
was
no
evidence
in
the
cohen
case
that
that
was
any
type
of
a
response.
Nor
did
the
courts
feel
like
that.
A
generalized
use
of
the
word
not
attacking
any
one
individual
would
constitute
fighting
words
so
as
it
was
used.
B
In
that
case,
the
phrase
that
was
used,
the
f,
the
draft
was
not
considered
to
be
fighting
words,
but
bear
in
mind
again
that
wasn't
what
he
was
cited
for.
He
was
cited
for
disturbing
the
peace.
Ultimately,
because
we
have
been
challenged,
there
will
be
a
judge
that
will
review
our
ordinance
in
the
context
of
the
u.s
supreme
court
decisions
that
were
relied
upon
to
construct
our
ordinance.
B
Our
ordinance,
for
the
most
part,
was
intended
to
be
content
neutral.
That's
why
we
created
an
ordinance
to
replace
an
ordinance
that,
under
the
reed
versus
town
at
gilbert,
u.s
supreme
court
case,
our
previous
ordinance
would
have
been
struck
as
content-based,
but
the
supreme
court
has
recognized
that
there
are
certain
classes
of
words
that
are
not
worthy
of
first
amendment
protection.
B
B
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
when
the
gentleman
was
talking
about
the
cohen
case
and
what
the
facts
in
the
cohen
case
were,
did
he
used
the
he
used?
The
term
f
word.
He
knew
that
it
would
be
inappropriate
and
indecent
for
him
to
use
that
word
in
this
public
setting,
particularly
when
it's
being
broadcast
and
it's
possible
that
children
under
the
age
of
17
could
view
it.
Our
ordinance
does
not
prohibit
free
speech.
D
Thank
you.
Okay.
Moving
on,
we
have
under
public
hearing
agenda,
we
have
two
ordinances
that
are
second
readings
and
the
first
one
is
ga-03-2021.
B
Yes-
and
these
are
legislative
ordinances,
so
they're
not
quasi-judicial,
so
I
will
read
these
first
ordinance
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
punta
gorda
code,
chapter
10
yard,
waste,
solid
waste,
article,
roman
numeral,
2,
solid
waste,
amending
section,
10-11,
increasing
the
monthly
fee
for
removal
and
disposal
of
solid
waste
yard
waste
and
curbside
recycling
services
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
D
N
Can
we
ask
our
city
managers
to
comment
just
to
refresh
how
long
it's
been
since
we've,
you
know
had
any
you
know
changes
in
our
sanitation
or
maybe
it's
kristin,
that
should
comment
just
for
the
public.
I
mean
feel.
H
E
K
H
Last
15
years,
that's
a
lot
and
we've
maintained
19
employees,
even
though
we've
increased
our
population
by
two
thousand
employees
in
that
time
frame
and
increase
the
number
of
routes,
tonnage,
yard,
waste,
pickups,
free
pile,
pickups,
etc.
During
that
period,
we've
not
increased
at
all,
and
the
bulk
of
this
is
to
increase
that
over
a
five
year
period
by
one
person.
D
D
B
This
also
is
a
legislative
ordinance
second
reading,
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
the
provisions
of
chapter
17,
public
utilities,
article
room
number,
one
general
provisions
rate
water
rates
and
article
roman
numeral,
two
use
of
public
and
private
sewers
and
drains
sewer
rates,
pineal
code
to
increase
monthly
utility
rates,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
effective
date.
N
D
E
D
B
When
we
get
to
5l,
since
it
is
a
resolution,
then
you're
going
to
be
discussing
it
I'll
have
to
read
that
by
title,
only
okay.
D
It's
the
it's
the
lease
agreement
with
the
blue
turtle
site,
yeah.
N
I
would
like
to
pull
the
I
don't
know
what
number
it
is
now
it's
hard
to
find.
D
D
D
D
N
It
has
to
do
with
the
piece
of
her
water
authority,
and
it
has
it's
actually
on
the
very
last
page
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
peace
or
water
authority,
claiming
the
city
must
pay
more
than
half
of
the
cost
of
the
pipeline,
a
difference
of
approximately
a
million
dollars-
and
I
know
this
has
been
an
ongoing
conversation.
So
I
had
a
resident
asked
me
about
that.
If,
if
we
could
provide
more
information,
so
I
thought
it
would
just
it's
not
a
challenge
of
david's
time
about
it.
N
It
was
more
a
question
about
what
what
are
they
doing,
because
this
this
interconnect
happened
a
long
time
ago,
and
it
was
because
we
secured
funding
through
the
state
that
that
got
done
and
now
they're
coming
back
and
claiming.
We
owe
them
more
money.
Well,.
H
I
can
tell
you
just
the
nutshell
version,
and
that
is
we
met
with
them
two
weeks
ago.
I
believe
it
was
might
have
been
last
week.
Time
flies,
but
the
invoice
issue
came
up
a
year
ago,
right
before
I
came
in
it's
been
ongoing.
We've
been
trying
to
find
documentation,
so
it
culminated
in
a
meeting.
We
asked
david
to
review
all
the
documents
because,
instead
of
just
between
us
and
their
staff,
they
actually
involved
legal
counsel.
So
we
did
the
same
generally.
They
contend
that
we
had
a
contract.
H
H
So
our
contention
is
that
it
said
up
to
50
percent
of
you
know:
12
million,
which
means
the
actual
project
costs.
If
the
project
cost
is
10,
then
we
only
pay
five,
not
six,
so
their
contention
is
that
it
was
up
to.
H
It
was
a
different
discussion
and
that
it's
just
half
of
12,
because
when
swiftmut
provided
the
money
they
were
going
to
base
it
on
a
12
million
dollar
project
and
they
said
then
eligible
cost
which,
with
the
four
million
dollar
grant,
took
it
down
to
eight
million
dollars.
So
when
they
said
their
eligible
cost
was
eight
million
dollars,
they
would
only
pay,
of
course,
half
of
that.
H
H
I
only
say
the
nutshell,
because
this
is
ongoing,
they're
supposed
to
come
back
with
more
documentation
if
there
was
some
reason
that
the
that
city
staff
was
involved
in
meetings
and
agreed
to
at
that
time,
half
of
12
million
dollars
say
that
swift
mud
would
give
us
extra
money
on
our
o
plant
or
they
were
able
to
give
us
extra
money
on
the
ro
plan,
because
that
made
it
a
regional
project
or
any
of
that
documentation.
H
We
don't
yet
have
we'll,
certainly
look
at
it,
but
when
that
happens,
and
when
we
come
to
the
final
resolution
as
to
what
we
think
is
the
right
number
that
then
has
to
come
to
council
it'll
be
on
the
agenda,
will
be
discussed
publicly
and
we'll
come
to
that
resolution
for
approval
as
to
what
to
pay
or
how
much
to
pay
the
attorney.
So
we
don't
pay
so
that'll
all
be
discussed
in
upcoming
meetings,
and
it
shouldn't
be
too
far
down
the
road
we're
just
not
at
that
final
point.
H
N
D
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
agenda
item
5d.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
I
just
have
one
quick
question
with
regard
to
item
five
f
and
that
is
the
strategic
plan
and
probably
melissa.
You
might
be
able
to
answer
this
for
us.
Please
page
11
of
the
document.
M
M
There
could
have
been
a
delay,
I'm
looking
at
2020
in
actually
determining
it
takes
some
time,
because
businesses
do
pay
late.
It
could
have
been
a
timing
issue
with
where
this
was
calculated
or
that
those
businesses
were
then
counted
as
closed
in
2021
is
more.
What
I
would
think
would
have
happened
because
of
that
timing
issue
when
they're
actually
kind
of
written
off
of
our
books
as
going
to
renew.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
my
explanation
to
the
people
that
asked
me
yesterday
was:
we
also
have
a
number
of
office
suites
that
are
now
being
developed
in
the
city
and
such
as
a
hair
salon,
type
of
environment
where
people
rent
a
suite
inside
an
established
business
and
each
one
of
those
hairdressers
has
to
get
their
own
business
tax
license,
and
so
that
may
have
some
bearing
on
the
overall
numbers
and
and
also
anytime.
Anybody
opens
something
within
another
business.
It
hap
same
thing
happens
also
vacation
rentals
that
keep
coming
and
going.
D
D
B
Yeah
mary,
if
I
might
I'll
just
read
this
by
title
all
right,
it's
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
florida,
terminating,
the
commercial
lease
and
management
agreement
between
the
city
of
punta
gorda
and
hawksbill
group
llc
doing
business
as
blue
turtle.
D
Okay,
my
question
on
this
is
it's
wonderful
that
we
have
someone
who
bought
one
of
our
local
businesses
and
is
continuing
to
operate
it
as
a
restaurant
downtown,
but
the
courtyard
behind
this
restaurant
is
owned
by
the
city.
So
this
lease
agreement
is
for
the
courtyard
that
is
subleased
to
the
restaurateur
from
the
city
and
this
contract
was
written
a
long
time
ago
and
it
entitles
them
to
lease
the
entire
courtyard
space
for
five
thousand
dollars
per
year
with
a
two
percent
intra
two
percent
increase
year-over-year
compound
interest.
D
So
at
this
point
in
time,
they're
in
their
seventh
year,
they
just
paid
their
seventh
year
of
their
contract
and
it
was
a
five-year
contract
with
five-year
renewals.
So
they've
got,
I
believe
you
said
forty
two
200
square
feet.
D
Okay,
so
it's
4
100
square
feet
of
courtyard
area,
that's
used
as
a
major
profit
center
for
the
restaurant,
and
I
think
it's
really
cheap
for
them
to
have
all
of
that
space
for
that
kind
of
money.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
up
as
a
discussion
item
to
see
what
everybody
thinks,
because
we
have
the
right
to
either
transfer
the
lease
agreement
to
the
new
owner
or
deny
it
and
and
move
it
to
a
different
start,
a
new
lease
agreement
over.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
the
subject
up
for
discussion.
B
D
E
John,
I
assume
the
concern
is
that
it's
too
cheap,
but
do
we
have
comps
on
what
that
kind
of
space
would
go
for?
I
know
it's
a
difficult
little
spot
there
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
comparable,
but.
H
The
only
thing
we
could
come
up
with
really
was,
if
you
look
at
something
like
the
farmers
market
or
the
sullivan
street
craft
fair
and
what
they
charge
for
space
per
vendor
for
the
number
of
hours
that
they're
there
and
what
we
then,
if
you
not
annualize
it.
But
if
you
take
that
for
the
number
of
hours
that
the
patio
or
the
plaza
used,
if
you
do
a
comparable,
how
does
that
pan
out?
H
And
that
was
just
something
in
general-
proximity-
open
space-
that,
of
course,
that's
our
street,
where
the
plaza
previously,
according
to
the
agreement,
was
under
utilized
and
et
cetera,
et
cetera
that
you
read,
we
come
up
with
just
about
the
same
rate,
they're,
paying
5
700
now
and
then
the
amount
of
maintenance
that
we're
not
required
to
provide.
If
you
take
that
total
cost,
they
come
up
just
about
comparable
for
a
vendor
on
the
cr,
the
farmer's
market
and
this
lease.
H
E
I
mean
I
personally
feel
that
this
and
this
person
investing
in
our
city
did
so
based
on
the
existing
conditions,
and
I
I
do
not
believe
we
should
change
anything.
I
think
that
we
would
be
adversely
harming
the
city
and
really
just
going
against
investment
by
by
using
this
moment,
to
basically
exploit
the
situation.
I
I
totally
disagree.
I
think
that
we
should
go
ahead
with
this
and
allow
this
new
owner
to
proceed
in
the
same
manner.
D
A
A
So
I
would
like
for
somebody
to
assure
me
that
at
some
point
in
time
we're
going
to
have
some
sort
of
a
review
of
contracts,
because
I
I've
been
going
over
some
of
the
things
that
are
public
record
and
there
there
are
some
real.
A
I
think
we
have
some
real
problems
with
our
with
our
contracts
and
I
don't
know
whether
it's
because
they
were
written
so
long
ago
that
now
there
are
all
these
what-ifs
that
have
started
coming
up
or
whether
it's
just
that
perhaps
past
administrations
have
had
a
more
laissez-faire
approach
to
doing
business
with
people
in
our
community,
because
I'm
I'm,
I
really
it's
embarrassing.
When
this
happens,
you
know
we
I
mean
I
I
agree
with
jaha.
A
I
do
not
think
we
should
change
the
dollar
amount
because,
first
of
all
they
maintain
the
park
and
we
would
have
to
try
to
come
up
with
somebody's
time
to
do
that.
But
I
would
really
like
some
sort
of
a
review
of
the
contracts
that
we
are
operating
under,
because
we
found
with
waste
management
our
contract
was
it
was
it
had
lapsed,
you
know
I
mean,
and
then
we
don't
know
who
owns
who
owes
the
million
dollars.
H
Well,
this
one,
for
example,
I
mean
not
to
jump
on
the
bandwagon,
but
this
one
we
had
to
actually
go
look
and
get
our
engineering
department
to
determine
what
the
square
footage
was,
because
there's
nothing
that
even
defines
plaza
in
this
contract.
So
we
had
to
make
sure
we
knew
what
the
contract
was
talking
about
before
we
could
talk
about
it
intelligently.
D
H
Was
the
issue
the
the
contract
does
specify
that
they
maintain
the
plaza
and
any
improvements,
and
it
also
says
that
any
damages
that
occur
from
the
the
lee
see
or
their
clientele
is
at
their
expense
vandalism.
If
it's
outside
vandalism,
then
that
was
still
a
city
asset.
We
had
to
pay
for
that's
what
happened
to
that.
N
Nancy,
so
I
don't
disagree
with
the
notion
of
really
taking
a
look
at
this,
but
reflecting
back
on
on
what
it
was
like
at
the
time
and
why
we
would
have
made
the
decision
we
would
have
when
I
was
the
ceo
of
team
pentagorda.
N
It
was
the
time
and
john
you
were
not
here
when
we
could
talk
about
this.
The
other
day
when
I
was
with
greg
the
city
actually
improved
that
area
and
and
put
the
pavers
in,
and
then
there
were
old,
antique
benches
that
were
put
there.
N
I
don't
know
where
they
came
from,
but
they
were
put
there,
and
I
know
that
team
pineapple
does
volunteers
specifically
don
mccormick
would
go
in
because
his
wife
was
the
beautification
chair
and
he
would
go
in
and
power
wash
the
the
benches
because
they
were
old
and
weathered
and
gray
and
team
pangorda
then
got
the
the
pots
that
are
there.
N
The
big
planters
donated
by
the
pottery,
express
and
purchased
the
big
plantings
just
to
spruce
up
the
area
and
make
it
look
nice
in
hopes
that
something
would
happen
there,
trying
to
make
this
public
park
usable
and
attractive
and
it
never
got
used.
I
mean
it
was
like
very
seldom
didn't
get
used
for
anything
it.
N
N
So
you
know
we
do
charge
what
a
dollar
or
ten
dollars
for
non-profits
to
use
things.
But
this
is
not
a
non-profit,
it
is
a
for-profit
business.
So
I
would
you
know
in
my
discussion
with
greg.
I
would
be
supportive
of
us
re-examining
it
this
perhaps
because
they
purchased
this
thinking.
N
This
is
what
was
going
to
happen
like
so
not
to
change
things
for
the
moment,
but
letting
them
know
that
when
the
next
renewal
comes
we're
going
to,
in
the
meantime,
be
examining
this
and
taking
a
look
at
what
should
we
possibly
be
charging-
and
it
might
not
be
this
what's
going
to
be
on
here,
but
it
could
be
something
much
more
than
this,
but
I
just
historically,
we
were
thankful
that
somebody
wanted
to
use
it
and
make
something
and
really
add
some
life
back
there.
We
thought
it
would
be
used,
but
it
wasn't.
A
N
Disagree
with
you
at
all
debbie,
it's
just
yeah.
B
I
mean
I've
been
here
for
a
long
time,
but
there
have
been
even
leases
that
we've
been
involved
in
that
predate
my
tenure
and
to
give
you
an
example
of
one
that
was,
I
think
troublesome
was
the
lease
of
that
portion
of
our
park
for
the
the
wildlife
center.
B
But
the
answer
I
get
is
that
you
know
it
costs
money
for
the
city
to
go
out
and
do
surveys
of
property
now,
sometimes
it's
it's
more
warranted
than
others,
and
and
as
my
memory
is
not
all
that
clear
on
this,
but
with
respect
to
this
lease
that
we're
talking
about
now,
it's
a
park.
It's
a
park
because
it's
been
dedicated
as
a
park
on
the
plat
there's
no
real
square
footage
on
the
planet.
B
That
shows
you
know
what
the
dimensions
are,
but
by
reference
to
the
plat
we
know
generally,
where
it
is
and
we
could
have
gone
out
and
done
a
survey
or
we
could
have
required
the
blue
turtle
or
the
predecessor
blue
turtle
to
do
a
survey.
But,
as
I
recall
and
and
councilwoman
prafke's
memory
is
correct.
B
I
think
when
the
discussion
was
presented
before
the
city
council.
This
was
look,
it
looked
like
or
looked
at
as
actually
a
private
entity
doing
the
city's
doing
the
city,
a
favor,
taking
care
of
a
park
that
had
been
let
go
and
disarray
because
the
city
didn't
have
the
money
to
maintain
it
so
yeah
I
mean
we
can
certainly
make
a
more
concerted
effort
on
contracts
and
and
agreements
to
make
sure
it's
got
all
the
formalities.
B
That
would
be
typically
required
and-
and
maybe
you
know,
that's
a
good
that's
direction
to
the
city
attorney
and
the
city
manager.
We
will
do
that,
but
bear
in
mind
it's
gonna,
maybe
cost
a
little
bit
more
money
in
in
the
long
run.
As
far
as
the
water
authority
contract
we
had,
you
may
recall,
jerry
paul
was
involved
in
the
negotiations
regarding
that
and
actually
the
drafting
of
that
document.
B
When
you
read
the
document
and
you
and
you
read
the
provisions
so
that
they're
harmonized
as
opposed
to
pulling
something
out
of
context
like
we
like,
I
believe
the
attorney
for
the
authority
did
the
the
project
was
estimate
and
it
uses
this
word
estimated
to
cost
12
million
dollars,
and
so
the
city
was
agreed
to
pay.
B
6
million
half
of
the
12
million,
didn't
put
the
words
half
of
the
estimated
cost,
and
that
was
that's
you
know,
but
but
when
you
interpret
a
contract,
you
can't
just
look
at
one
provision
without
looking
at
the
other,
and
I
think
that
you
know
if
that
was
the
only
issue
in
this
contract.
I
think
ultimately
a
court
would
say
look,
it
was
estimated
to
be
10,
I
mean
a
12.,
it
ended
up
being
10.
The
city
would
be
obligated
to
pay
five
half
of
the
estimate
of
the
actual
cost.
B
Now,
as
as
the
city
manager
has
indicated,
there
may
be
other
factors
that
need
to
be
considered,
but
in
the
attorney
letter
that
we
got
from
the
attorney
on
behalf
of
the
authority,
it
basically
said
you
were
obligated
to
pay
6
million,
so
you
got
to
pay
6
million,
so
that's
kind
of
where
the
legal
research
went
in
to
figure
out.
How
would
a
court
interpret
that
claim
in
and
of
itself.
H
And
I
will
say
dude
just
further
some
of
these
comments
that
you
know
some
of
the
leases
and
different
smaller
legal
documents
that
are
out
there
that
are
coming
up
now
that
we
have
to
deal
with
never
even
really
went
through
our
city
attorney.
So
they
were
something
that
had
happened
before
it
was
continued
in
the
same
manner
or
form,
and
I
feel
much
more
comfortable.
Knowing
that
we
have
that
review-
and
you
know
someone
that
can
actually
interpret
these
things
for
us
to
keep
us
on
solid
legal
ground.
Even
if
it
costs.
B
H
B
The
proper
approach
would
have
been
to
come
before
you
before
they
closed
on
the
contract
or
make
the
contract
contingent
upon
the
transfer
or
the
new
agreement
that
wasn't
done.
It
just
showed
up
after
the
fact,
and
so,
if
you
chose
to
renegotiate
that
contract,
you
certainly
have
the
authority
to
do
so,
and
there's
no
vested
right
of
the
purchaser
to
to
the
terms
of
the
existing
agreement.
D
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
issue
before
us
is
to
approve
the
termination
of
the
current
lease
and
to
approve
the
commercial
lease
with
the
new
property
owner.
Correct.
N
I
just
want
to
make
one
comment,
and
that
is,
I
think,
as
we
learn
on
this,
it's
important
to
have
these
contrasts
while
david,
yes,
I
know
it
does
cost
money,
but
I
feel
it's
important
to
have
them
more
clearly
documented,
because
without
that
you
depend
on
it
the
historical
context
of
things
and
that
history
goes
away.
You
know
when
people
change,
council,
members
change,
so
the
staff
members
change
and
so
that
that
knowledge,
you
know,
disappears,
and
then
you
don't
understand
why.
Why
did
we
make
that
and
it
makes
it
sound
like?
N
D
H
E
D
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
agenda
item
5l.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
and
we
will
take
another
look
at
that
when
it
comes
up
for
renewal
and
see
if
there's
anything
that
must
be
changed
at
that
time.
Okay,
okay,
on
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
the
event
permit
two
21-165-996.
E
E
D
D
People
really
wanted
to
see
the
fire
truck
come
into
town
and
have
santa
claus
come
into
town
and
they
did
not
like
the
city
council
members
being
up
on
the
stage,
and
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
do
the
old-fashioned
way
because
people
really
like
it
that
way
and
it
made
for
a
lot
more
of
a
festive
event
for
everybody
that
was
at
the
event.
So
I
think,
having
us
up
on
stage
was
a
non-event,
and
it's
not
that
it's
about
the
city
council.
D
F
D
H
Certainly
having
routine
meetings
they're
keeping
everyone
involved
and
abreast
of
what's
going
on
and
they've
done,
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
to
make
this
happen
certainly
be
nice.
If
the
new
tree
can
get
here
and
they
can
see
the
culmination
of
that
effort,
if
not,
it
will
still
be
an
amazing
event
and
we'll
you
know,
go
with
what
we've
had
before.
So
I
have
to
echo.
Thank
you
for
all
the
work
that's
been
done.
O
O
O
All
right,
so
the
city's
the
city
clerk's
office
has
undertaken
a
review
of
the
bylaws
for
the
different
board
and
committees,
and
this
is
the
first
of
four
sets
that
are
going
to
be
coming
to
you
for
direction.
Once
we
have
addressed
any
concerns
you
have,
we
will
prepare
a
resolution
to
adopt
the
bylaws.
We
are
not
ready
for
adoption
just
yet
so
the
first
one
is
the
development
review
committee,
which
we
presented
to
the
committee
on
september
10th.
The
changes
mainly
involved
reorganization
of
the
information
that
was
already
present.
O
O
So
after
that
we
have
the
biggest
change,
which
is
that
we've
added
the
committee's
duties
to
the
bylaws.
We
had
the
committee
go
through
and
check
to
make
sure
that
they
found
all
of
the
duties
to
be
correct.
The
only
one
that
there
was
a
concern
about
was
the
final
one.
That
said
that
the
committee
will
draft
and
review
the
city's
five-year
capital
improvements
plan
that
doesn't
happen
currently,
and
they
all
seem
to
believe
that
that
is
not
the
best
way
for
that
to
be
done,
so
that
is
in
chapter
26.
O
Currently,
though,
that's
where
we
collected
all
of
the
duties
from
so
eventually
chapter
26
would
need
to
be
amended
to
remove
that
duty.
If
council
was
an
agreement
that
that
is
not
the
way
that
should
be
done
so
after
the
duties,
we
mainly
ended
up
reorganizing
and
consolidating
some
of
the
information
about
how
the
meetings
occur.
O
We
tried
to
make
it
mirror
the
process
whereby
meetings
happen
better,
we
begin
with
scheduling.
Then
we
address
the
quorum.
We
note
that
we
have
a
record
of
the
proceeding.
O
D
Yeah,
I
have
a
quick
question:
if
you
could,
please
go
back
to
that
last
page
since
we're
having
these
meetings
here
right
now,
but
then
the
city
council
chamber
will
be
under
renovation.
Should
that
be
amended
to
item
number
a1?
Should
that
be
amended
to
say
or
as
at
a
location
publicly
noticed
or
something
to
that
effect,.
O
N
Good
point
well
and
just
to
your
point,
there
have
been
times
when
we've
had
meetings
that
have
been
where
there
has
been
something
contentious
on
an
agenda
and
the
the
then
council,
chair
or
this
council
chambers
has
been
full
or
in
anticipation
of
it
being
full.
The
meeting
was
moved.
I
don't
know
if
it's
happened
very
often
on
a
committee
meeting
or
board
meeting
but
sure
has
with
council
meetings.
It
does
with
planning.
O
N
That
you're
going
through
this
and
explaining
it
when
you
put
these
on
the
agenda
like
this,
it
would
be
helpful
if
that
what
we
got
were
two
documents.
N
Nothing
was
showed
like
what
changed
yeah
and
as
a
council
member,
I
don't
feel
it's
my
job
to
sit
with
two
documents:
print
them
out,
sit
there
and
go
and
and
try
to
compare
word
line
by
line
word
for
word.
What
changed
it's
like.
There
should
be
some
way
that
it's
pointed
out
to
us.
Here's!
Here's!
What
changed!
Here's!
Why
we're
asking
you
to
look
at
this.
O
Was
very
messy
because
we
did
a
lot
of
moving
sections
around,
because
there
were
bits
that
towards
the
end
in
particular,
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
the
final
page,
the
last
bit
of
the
bylaws
in
the
what
we
were
proposing
is
the
procedure
for
development
plan.
Approval
and
part
of
it
was
between
two
sections
in
the
existing
bylaws
fairly
early
on
and
then
the
final
bit
was
in
a
completely
different
section,
like
a
page
or
two
down
from
that,
so
it
was
kind
of
messy.
That's
why
we
didn't
do
that.
O
N
Israel
would
be
helpful
because
you
know
it
went
from
what
three
pages
to
five
yeah
and
it's
like
well,
something
changed
and
it's
like
now.
I
have
to
figure
this
out
and
not
that
I
don't
want
to
sound
lazy,
but
but
it's
not
it
council's
responsibility
to
sit
and
go
through.
Sometimes
we
get
a
75-page
document
and
you
know
res
so
for
those
watching.
Sometimes
we
see
a
75-page
document
and
we're
supposed
to
go
through
and
pick
it
out.
It's
like
you
know,
that's
a
lot
of
of
reading
to
try
to
sort
out
what
changed.
N
O
Okay,
we
will
definitely
include
that
on
the
forthcoming
sets.
Okay,
let's
see
so
once
we
had
gotten
into
the
section
on
meetings
we
touched
on
the
agendas.
There
was
a
requirement
for
quite
a
few
sets
of
copies
of
plans.
We've
changed
it
to
just
be
seven
copies
of
plans
required,
because
that's
how
many
members
there
are
that
need
to
review
them.
We
don't
need
all
that
extra
paper,
it's
just
more
to
store.
O
O
There
was
a
change
in
that
we
removed
from
the
continuance
section
a
provision
saying
that
there
is
a
hundred
dollar
continuance
fee
that
has
not
been
instituted
for
some
time,
so
we
are
recommending
that
be
removed
and
then
once
we
get
to
the
section
on
voting
requirements
and
conflicts
of
interest,
the
only
change
is
that
we
added
a
brief
definition
of
conflict
of
interest
from
the
state
statutes.
O
O
We
will
remove
that
from
the
set
that
we
would
bring
forward
in
a
resolution
for
adoption.
If
that
is
the
direction
you
provide
us.
D
O
O
H
That
comes
from
staff
from
the
different
departments.
It
doesn't
come
from
any
outside
committee
or
city
committee
that
comes
through
acoustic
advantages
that
comes
from
the
departments
themselves,
from
our
maintenance
plan.
The
capital
needs
through
finance
and
then
because
it's
depending
on,
of
course,
funding
about
all
the
factors
that
go
into
it.
E
So
chris
and
simeone
finance,
yes,
just
as
the
city
manager
suggested.
Most
of
them
are
submitted
through
the
department
divisions.
We
do
sometimes
get
projects
that
are
brought
forward
through
the
budget
process,
either
through
the
community.
As
a
as
a
request
to
look
at
you
know,
and
sometimes
that's
why
you'll
see
things
as
unfunded
or
we
bring
the
lists
and
stuff
like
that,
as
well
as
when
we
do
the
one
percent
sales
tax
and
we
have
a
committee
for
that.
Those
projects
specifically
as
well.
E
Utility
advisory
board
does
review
the
capital
improvements
projects
for
utilities,
but
I
do
not
know
about
the
drc.
D
O
D
A
A
D
O
I
think
that's
probably
because
the
language
regarding
members
mentions
that
it
would
be
certain
staff
members
or
their
designees.
Typically,
if
the
assigned
staff
member
is
not
going
to
be
present,
they
will
send
someone
else
in
their
place
that
way
their
department's
concerns
can
be
presented.
I'm.
A
D
Yeah
right,
that's
right!
That's
right!
Okay!
I
think
that
that
probably
works
for
that.
Any
other
concerns
comments.
I
think
maybe
you
may
want
to
make
the
last
changes
we
talked
about
and
then
bring
it
back
for
final
adoption.
D
D
All
right:
next
we
have
boarding
committee
vacancies,
nominations
and
appointments.
O
All
right
under
vacancies,
we
have
two
regular
terms
into
unexpired,
alternate
terms
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
Two
unexpired
regular
terms
into
an
expired
alternate
terms
on
the
code
enforcement
board
and
one
unexpired
regular
term
on
the
planning
committee
commission,
then
under
nominations.
We
have
a
regular
term
until
october
1st
2024
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
Mr
samuel
hoakland,
who
is
currently
serving
his
first
regular
term
on
the
board,
has
expressed
an
interest
in
serving.
He
is
the
only
one
at
this
time
who
is
interested
in
serving
council
may
nominate.
O
D
O
E
D
O
And
then
last
under
nominations,
we
have
an
unexpired
regular
term
until
november
1st
2022
on
the
pinnacle
isles
canal
advisory
committee,
mrs
jeffrey
d'amico,
frank
lepore
and
timothy
sullivan
have
expressed
an
interest
in
serving
mr
lapore
currently
serves
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
which
is
a
quasi-judicial
non-decision.
Making
board
council
may
nominate
one
or
more
interested
parties
at
this
time
if
desired,.
D
Well,
in
this
case,
you
have
to
nominate
all
three
all
three,
oh
nominee,
all
three!
I'm
sorry!
Yes
do.
We
have
a
second
second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
nominate
all
three
candidates
for
the
punta
gorda
isles
canal
advisory
committee.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
O
Then,
under
appointments
we
have
an
unexpired
regular
term
until
november
30th
2022
on
the
historic
preservation
advisory
board.
Mr
david
perry
and
miss
lucille
pont,
both
currently
serving
as
alternates
since
april
21st
2021,
are
interested.
Mr
perry
has
attended
two
meetings
of
the
board
and
miss
pont
has
attended
one,
I
will
distribute
sheets
and
then
we
need
each
council
member
to
vote
for
one
individual.
O
H
So
just
giving
you
that
information
so
that
when
you
see
the
email
come
in,
you'll
know
what
it
is
and
it's
not
spam,
and
you
should
reply,
and
the
second
is
of
course
pontegorda
in
bloom,
they've
selected,
seven
videos
from
communities
across
the
nation
whose
citizens
are
dedicated
to
making
a
difference.
H
America
and
bloom,
that
is
the
winning
community,
gets
1500
and,
of
course,
bragging
rights.
So
if
you
go
online,
american
bloom
website
under
national
awards
youtube
videos.
The
link
is
in
the
weekly
and
social
media
and
we'll
presumably
be
on
the
front
page
of
our
website.
If
you
vote
for
punta
gorda
and
we
get
the
award,
then
of
course
that
sets
us
aside
from
everyone
else
in
the
nation
that
was
selected
as
a
part
of
the
finalists,
so
information
that
you
can
spread
and
put
in
the
various
media
outlets
that
you
use.
B
B
B
In
that
brief
moment,
I
debated
whether
I
should
decline
the
invitation,
but
I
elected
to
use
it
as
a
teaching
moment
for
those
that
may
be
watching
at
home
to
the
extent
that
I
may
have
strayed
from
that
hard
and
fast
rule
or
or
insulted
anyone.
I
sincerely
apologize
for
that.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
D
H
D
What
what
I
did
clarify
with
with
sarah
the
other
day
was
that
the
last
starter
review
committee
was
composed
of
seven
people
and
two
alternates.
H
There
were
seven
voting
members.
Yes,
yes,
it's
really
up
to
you,
but
I
think
if
you
would
like
her
to
sarah
to
bring
back
something
more
definitive
if
you
have
any
specific
requests,
I'm
sure
she'd
be
happy
to
put
that
together
and
discuss
it
ad
nauseam
if
you
like,
because
certainly
it's
coming
quickly.
D
N
E
John
just
a
question:
we
got
an
email
recently
about
a
workshop
for
ldrs.
It's
a
little
confusing
to
me.
What
what's
happening
here.
H
The
the
email
that
went
out
there's
going
to
be
some
revision.
I'm
sure
jane
can
talk
about
that,
but
it
was
not
intended
to
be
a
discussion
between
planning,
commission
and
council
planning.
Commission
is
going
to
get
some
information,
so
if
they
have
any
recommendations,
council
will
also
be
aware
of
those
council
will
have
a
workshop.
F
A
Could
you
please
let
us
know
that
so
and
so
has
joined
the
city,
and
this
is
their
name
and
their
email
address,
because
due
to
circumstances
beyond
my
control,
if
you're
not
in
my
contact
list,
you
go
to
spam
and
three
days
in
spam,
you're
gone,
so
I
think
I'm
missing
stuff
that
should
be
coming
from
people
that
I've
never
heard
of
before,
and
you
know
in
these
really
heightened
political
times.
Some
of
us
don't
open
a
lot
of
email.
If
we
don't
know
who
the
sender
is.