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B
Good
morning
it
is
nine
o'clock.
I
would
like
to
call
to
order
the
october
20th
2021
city
council
meeting.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
city
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building.
If
you
would
please
stand
and
join
me
for
the
invocation
followed
by
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
E
F
The
city
council,
we
thank
you
for
the
years
of
service
they
have
provided
for
this
city.
Lord,
we
pray
for
the
new
members
coming
on
in
november.
We
also
thank
you
for
what
you
do
in
our
lives.
Each
and
every
day
we
pray
for
the
council
meeting
today.
We
pray
that
each
decision
that's
made,
be
pleasing
to
you
and
the
people
of
punta
gorda.
We
thank
you
for
what
you
do
in
our
lives
and
all.
C
We
need
to
get
on
this.
The
next
step
is
which
I've
been
working
on
the
legislative
level
is,
we
need
to
address
the
fdep
npdes
permit,
renewal
and
modification,
it's
imperative.
We
get
these
laws,
the
mcl's
lowered,
not
increased.
We
need
to
make
it
stricter
for
them
to
discharge
and
pollute
our
precious
peace.
River
mosaic
has
mosaic
river
view
all
the
way
down
to
charlotte
county
we're
discharging
here
in
between
tampa
bay,
river
view
and
charlotte.
G
Hi,
my
name
is
jeff
lustig.
I
came
on
the
steps
of
city
hall
today
to
protest.
The
punta
gorda
sign
ordinance.
First,
I
need
to
know
from
the
council
and
the
city
attorney
what
words
you
have
deemed
to
be
obscene
and
indecent.
I
don't
want
to
break
the
law
and
I
don't
want
to
be
fined
five
thousand
dollars
for
causing
irreparable
harm
to
this
community.
G
I
came
on
the
steps
of
city
hall
to
protest.
The
punta
gorda
sign
ordinance.
We
already
have
spent
eleven
thousand
dollars
defending
this
ordinance.
So
now
I
see
why
the
fines
are
so
excessive.
The
city
attorney
claims
that
the
executive
committee,
member
of
the
republican
party
of
charlotte
county
and
his
descent
of
the
sign
ordinance
used.
The
f
word
instead
of
saying
the
actual
word,
proving
that
he
knows
the
word
has
obscene
connotations.
G
I
say
this
is
disingenuous
because
if
he
had
said
the
f
word,
he
would
have
been
thrown
out
of
the
meeting
because
of
the
rules
of
conduct.
I
came
on
the
steps
of
city
hall,
a
traditional
public
forum
to
protest.
Are
there
any
16
year
olds
in
the
audience
fortune?
You're
not
16,
I
hope
I
don't
seem
to
see
any
of
them.
I
don't
want
to.
I
have
to
make
sure
that
I'm
not
damaging
the
hearts
and
minds,
because
the
sole
purpose
of
this
ordinance
was
to
protect
16
year
olds
from
indecent
speech.
G
G
Now,
you're
going
to
say
that
this
meeting
is
being
broadcast
on
the
internet,
it
can
be
shown
to
16
year
olds
who
have
access
to
the
internet.
Are
we
going
to
find
parents
for
allowing
their
16
year
olds
to
view
this,
or
am
I
going
to
be
fine?
Because
a
random
person
puts
up
my
sign
on
the
internet?
Are
we
going
to
start
banning
books
that
have
a
decent
material
because
a
16
year
old
may
have
access
to
it?
G
C
Good
morning,
council,
my
name
is
sherman
johnson
I've
been
a
resident
of
punta
gorda
since
2009
I'm
here
to
introduce
myself
to
you
and
let
you
know
that
I've
submitted
my
application
and
nomination
form
to
serve
on
the
planning
commission
for
the
vacancy
of
the
unexpired
term,
and
I
also
plan
to
submit
my
application
for
the
upcoming
term
in
in
the
next
year.
Thank
you
very
much.
My.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
offer
to
serve.
Is
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
address
the
council
on
any
matter?
Okay,
seeing
none.
If
there
is
anyone
else
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
introduce
themselves
as
a
candidate
for
a
border
committee
nomination.
Please
come
forward
and
state
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes:
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
move
on
to
the
proclamation
part
of
the
meeting,
sometimes
in
the
community.
We
have
great
things
that
happen
to
great
people
and
great
businesses,
and
we
like
to
acknowledge
them.
B
And
today
we
have
two
wonderful
presentations
and
I
would
like
to
call
forward
matt,
nemick
and
frank
sarasoli
from
the
wyvern
hotel
recently
councilmember
prefke
and
I
attended
a
reception
at
the
wyvern
hotel
and
they
were
awarded
a
great
award
from
ascend
hotel
collection,
which
is
the
ascending
community
service
award,
and
this
is
for
all
of
their
great
efforts
and
philanthropy
in
the
community,
and
I
thought
it
was
prudent
to
acknowledge
them
before
the
city,
council
and
the
residents
of
the
city
to
say.
B
B
They
presented
a
check
to
the
backpack
kids
for
two
thousand
dollars
and
one
to
the
military
heritage,
museum
and
the
visual
arts
center
for
500
each
at
that
reception,
and
so
we
thank
you
very
much
and
I
have
a
certificate
of
appreciation.
Thank
you.
A
C
It's
quite
an
award,
and
it's
you
know
we
don't
really
think
on
an
international
scale,
so
much
in
pontigorda
we're
all
kind
of
humble
and
kind
of
take
care
of
ourselves
and
each
other
and
that
sort
of
thing.
But
this
is
a
an
award
that
is
from
7
100
hotels
in
41
different
countries.
H
And
so
when
it
gets
brought.
C
On
to
us
that
this,
what
I
think
is
a
smaller
scale,
you
know
internationally
speaking.
I
think
it's
just
well.
I
have
a
little
fun
with
it
and
I
think
of
maybe
somebody
in
let's
just
say
singapore
and
they
and
they
work
at
the
hotel
that
they
work
at
in
the
morning
they're
looking
at
and
they
say,
pontegorta
florida
just
won
this
award
and
god
looks
at
his
work,
mate
or
something
says:
where's
ponte
gorda
and
he
goes
google
it.
C
So
you
know
just
for
that
split
second,
somebody
from
some
other
place
is
googling
where
the
heck
pottagorda
is
and-
and
that's
us
the
community
award
was
given
to
us.
C
B
There's
no
easy
way
to
do
that
from
the
deus,
so
we
have
a
very
special
young
lady
with
us
today
who
I
was
privileged
to
meet
several
months
ago.
B
She
has
been
a
great
advocate
and
ambassador
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
and
she
just
represented
the
city
of
punta
gorda
in
the
miss
punta
gorda
teen
pageant,
and
then
she
went
to
the
miss
florida
teen
pageant
and
participated
in
august
up
in
orlando,
at
the
pageant
and
represented
our
beautiful
city,
and
I
just
have
a
brief
bio.
I
want
to
read
about
her
she's
currently
miss
punta
gorda,
teen,
usa
and
a
senior
at
charlotte
high
school.
B
She
ranks
in
the
top
one
percent
of
her
graduating
class
and
plans
to
go
to
college
to
become
an
orthodontist
jade
hernandez
is
became,
missed
punta
gorda,
teen
usa,
because
of
her
academic
excellence
and
her
involvement,
both
inside
and
outside
of
school
she's,
a
member
of
national
honor
society,
international
thespian
society
and
the
president
of
her
choir
board,
and
vice
president
of
tarpon
leadership.
Academy.
B
Jade,
wanted
to
use
her
title
to
promote
leadership
within
the
youth
and
has
done
just
that
by
partnering.
With
brenda
brown
and
working
with
the
leukemia
and
lymphoma
society,
jade
led
a
12-member
multi-generational
team
and
was
able
to
raise
over
eight
thousand
dollars
for
blood
cancer
research
in
just
seven
weeks
earlier
this
year
during
march,
jade
hopes
to
continue
working
within
her
community,
as
she
goes
off
to
college
and
with
other
organizations
to
help
further
spread
awareness
for
causes,
and
we
have
the
very
first.
Ever
since
I've
been
the
mayor
mayor's
ambassador
award
for
you.
C
B
D
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
does
hereby
proclaim
the
month
of
october
2021
as
national
long-term
care
residence
rights
month
in
the
city
of
puna
gorda,
and
encourages
all
citizens
to
join
in
the
city
and
these
important
up
services
past
and
duly
adopted
this
20th
day
of
october
2021
city
of
pentagon,
florida
signed
leonard
matthews
mayor
and
I'm
just
reading
this
only
there
is
no
one
to
actually
accept
this
so
anyway.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,.
J
Good
morning,
whereas
city
government
is
the
government
closest
to
the
most
citizens
and
the
one
with
the
most
direct
daily
impact
upon
residents,
and
whereas
municipal
government
provides
services
and
programs
that
enhance
the
quality
of
life
for
residents,
making
the
city
their
home
and
whereas
city
government
is
administered
for
and
by
its
citizens
and
is
dependent
upon
public
commitment
to
and
understanding
its
many
responsibilities.
And
whereas
city
government
officials
and
employees
share
the
responsibility
to
pass
along
the
understanding
of
public
services
and
their
benefits.
J
And
whereas
florida
city
government
week
offers
an
important
opportunity
for
elected
officials
and
city
staff
to
spread
the
word
to
all
citizens.
So
they
can
shape
and
influence
this
branch
of
government
and
whereas
florida
league
of
cities
and
its
member
cities
have
joined
together
to
teach
citizens
about
municipal
government
through
a
variety
of
activities.
J
Now,
therefore,
the
city
of
council
city
of
pontogorda
does
hereby
proclaim
this
week
october,
18th
to
22nd
2021
to
florida
city
government
week
and
encourages
all
citizens,
city,
government
officials
and
employees
to
participate
in
events
set,
recognized
and
celebrates
florida
city
government
week
passes
will
be
adopted
in
regular
session.
The
20th
day
of
october,
signed
by
mayor
lynn,
matthews
and
our
city
manager,
gregory
receiving.
A
Certainly,
when
we
look
at
city
government
week,
it
is
important
to
all
of
us.
We
certainly
appreciate
not
only
our
elected
officials,
but
the
staff
that
helps
make
our
city
such
a
great
place
and
the
input
that
we
have
from
our
citizens
and
our
volunteer
committees
that
help
make
the
city
of
punta
gorda
appropriately
with
this
proclamation
the
best
city
government
anywhere.
A
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
to
the
city
clerk
for
putting
that
on
the
agenda.
At
the
last
minute.
We
seem
to
have
gotten
a
plethora
of
proclamation
requests
this
week.
I
was
getting
them
fast
and
furious
before
karen.
Okay.
Next
on
the
agenda,
we
have
a
resolution.
However,
this
is
going
to
be
a
quasi-judicial
resolution
and
city
clerk
will
need
to
swear
in
anyone
that
wishes
to
give
testimony
on
this.
E
Thank
you.
Anyone
intending
to
offer
testimony
in
today's
proceedings,
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
in
today's
proceedings.
I
do
thank
you
when
you
come
to
the
podium
to
speak.
Please
state
your
name
and
indicate
you've
been
sworn.
K
Jamaica
way,
puente
gordon
florida,
more
particularly
described
on
exhibit
a
attached
to
this
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
city
clerk
to
execute
the
plan
authorizing
the
city
clerk
to
forward
this
resolution
and
the
original
final
plaque
to
the
circuit
court,
clerk
of
of
record
for
recording
at
the
applicant's
expense
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Thank
you.
B
L
You
good
a
pistol
have
been
sworn
I'd
like
to
enter
our
staff
report
into
the
record
in
its
entirety
by
reference.
This
is
a
subdivision
request
for
1700
jamaica
way
again
as
it
states
in
the
resolution
we're
going
from
a
one
larger
lot
to
five
single
family
lots
and
one
commercial
lot.
It
is
considered
a
minor
subdivision.
This
originally
held
housed
a
12
unit,
condominium
development,
which
was
damaged
by
hurricane
charley
and
subsequently
demolished
in
2005.,
so
the
property
and
may
be
familiar
with
the
property.
L
In
2018
we
received
a
request
or
a
petition
to
rezone
from
general
multi-family
15
units
per
acre
to
neighborhood
center
that
was
approved
so
under
the
neighborhood
center
development
standards
for
residential.
It
will
follow
the
neighborhood
residential
development
standards
to
have
a
minimum
3
500
square
foot
minimum
lot
area,
but
the
proposed
lots
are
between
50
to
60
up
to
50
499
square
feet
for
each
of
the
five
lots:
neighborhood
center
development
standards,
there's
no
minimum
lot
area
required.
L
However,
what
is
proposed
is
twelve
thousand
twenty
five
square
feet
for
the
commercial
portion,
so
it
does
not
create
any
non-conformities.
It
is
served
by
public
street
to
make
a
way
utilities
are
available.
Utilities
has
re
recommended
that
service
be
installed
prior
to
final
plat
approval.
However,
utility
plan
has
been
submitted
and
approved
by
the
utilities
department.
It's
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
policies,
1.1.11.1
and
1.1.15.1,
objective,
1.1.15,
coastal
management,
recreation
and
open
space
policy,
5.1.2.2
public
school
facilities,
policies,
8.1.2.3
8.1.2.6
and
intergovernmental
coordination.
9.1.1.
L
So
a
summary
again
is
it's
just
a
minor
request
for
subdivision:
it
meets
the
requirements
of
chapter
28,
pentagorda
code
of
ordinances
and
comprehensive
plan
2040
and
the
florida
statute.
177.01
recommendations
are
that
the
utilities
are
recommending
that
the
service
lines
be
installed
prior
to
final
flight
approval.
However,
the
utility
plans
have
been
submitted
and
approved.
The
applicant
is
here,
and
he
can
speak
as
to
when
the
construction
can
take
place,
but
urban
design
division.
We
do
recommend
approval
of
the
final
plot.
B
I
do
have
one
quick
question
and
this
has
been
a
few
years,
and
I
I
know
that
those
of
us
who
were
on
council
back
in
2018,
I
think
we
all
met
with
mr
farhat,
to
discuss
this
project
when
it
was
first
being
proposed,
but
refresh
my
memory
with
terms
of
the
the
commercial
portion
of
the
of
the
parcel
we
talked
about
when
it's
developed
that
the
entrance
driveway
will
be
on
the
back
side
of
it
furthest
away
from
marion
avenue.
Is
that
correct.
L
They
we
don't
have
development
plans
and
when
it
was
when
the
rezoning
was
approved,
there
was
no
site
plan
actually
submitted,
so
it
would
have
to
meet
our
development
standards,
which
we
have
a
distance
from
an
intersection
for
any
type
of
commercial
driveway.
So
it
couldn't
be
right
on
the
intersection.
I
believe
it's
40
feet
away
from
the
intersecting
right
away,
that
it
would
have
to
be
to
be
approved.
L
B
Yeah
I'd
like
to
get
that
question
answered.
Somebody
asked
me
that,
and
also
the
the
intensity
of
the
the
commercial
building
when
it's
built
as
far
as
traffic
flow
and
so
forth.
That
was
something
that
somebody
asked
me
yesterday
good
morning.
C
K
C
K
Mayor,
if
I
might
yes,
so
it's
been
a
while,
since
we've
actually
considered
a
a
plat
approval
and-
and
I
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
difference
between
a
quasi-judicial
decision
and
a
legislative
decision.
K
Actually
earlier
this
week,
I
was
asked
to
kind
of
identify
what
type
of
proceeding
is
necessary
for
the
vacation
of
a
street
and
after
con
refreshing,
my
recollection
on
case
law,
as
it
relates
to
that,
and
particularly
with
respect
to
our
ordinance,
our
ordinance
clearly
states
that
it's
within
the
discretion
of
the
city,
council
and
case
law
suggests
that
is
a
legislative
action.
So
it's
at
you
know
at
your
whim
without
any
specific
criteria
as
to
how
you
would
exercise
your
decision
making
as
it
relates
to
the
vacation
of
a
street.
K
A
plot,
however,
and
and
and
the
case
law
is
clear
on
this.
In
order
to
get
a
plat
approved,
there
is
both
statutory
and
city
criteria
that
has
to
be
satisfied
once
you've
satisfied
that
criteria.
There
is
no
further
discretion
on
part
of
the
city
council,
absent
other
provisions
in
the
code,
such
as
the
ability
to
approve
with
conditions.
K
The
burden
would
have
to
shift
to
us
to
explain
why
it
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
and,
as
I
understand
it,
the
applicant
has
met
and
satisfied
the
criteria.
There
is
no
criteria
in
our
ordinance
or
in
the
statute,
as
it
relates
to
the
timing
of
the
installation
of
utility
lines.
Other
jurisdictions
typically
have
in
their
ordinance
a
requirement
that
that,
as
part
of
the
application,
the
applicants
submit
a
a
bond
or
letter
of
letter
of
credit
to
ensure
that
the
utilities
and
roads
the
infrastructure
is
in
place
before
the
lots
are
sold.
K
We
don't
have
anything
like
that
and
to
impose
something
like
that
on
the
applicant,
as
requested
by
the
utilities
department,
would
exceed
the
jurisdiction
of
the
council
in
in
this
quasi-judicial
procedure,
as
it
relates
to
final
platinum
approval.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear
on
the
record,
and
I
appreciate
that
I
can
speak
to
the
utilities.
K
C
J
J
B
B
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
matter?
Last
call
anyone
like
wishing
to
speak
to
city
council
on
this
issue,
move
to
close
public
hearing.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously
move
approval.
B
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
resolution
for
the
final
plot
for
the
parcel
of
jamaica
way.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
the
project.
As
I
recall
it's
going
to
be
really
pretty.
B
B
D
B
C
H
Morning
for
the
record,
I'm
richard
ogiavolk
or
everybody
just
calls
me
oj
and
I'm
the
project
development
manager
over
at
fdot,
and
I
want
to
echo
in
on
mitchell's
statements
that
as
when
I
first
came
out
here,
I
told
you
all.
This
was
kind
of
a
new
way
of
us
for
trying
to
do
business,
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
incorporate
as
much
of
the
locals
requests
and
desires
and
projects
and
try
to
accelerate
them
and
bring
them
to
production
faster.
And
I
want
to
thank
you
all
and
everybody
that
was
involved.
H
We
did
extensive
public
involvement
and
I
know
that
I
probably
sent
emails
and
possibly
even
mildly,
harassed,
y'all
guys
for
comments
and
everything
like
that.
But
I
appreciate
y'all's
efforts
in
doing
this
and
I
think
we've
come
up
with
at
least
a
a
good
concept
to
move
forward
into
design.
H
But
I
do
want
to
also
predicate
that
with
the
fact
that,
as
it
goes
through
the
design
process,
we
will
still
be
in
coordination
and
any
changes
or
things
that
come
up
as
that
design
progresses.
We
can
hopefully
address
those
and
make
sure
we
incorporate
them
in
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
the
stud
the
presentation
here
again
just
a
quick
overview
about
four
years
ago.
This
began
as
a
resurfacing
project.
H
H
This
current
effort
has
had
extensive
stakeholder
outreach,
public
involvement,
a
lot
of
one-on-one
with
just
councils
and
then
a
lot
of
one-on-one
meetings
with
various
stakeholders
throughout
the
area.
The
housing
coalitions,
the
chambers,
local
groups,
churches,
neighborhood
groups
and
the
whole
probably
about
20,
plus
individual
private
meetings.
On
top
of
the
private
meetings
we
had
with
council
in
order
to
try
to
gauge
people's
requests,
it
also
included
an
online
survey
that
was
fairly
well
received.
H
H
H
As
far
as
whether
the
traffic
signal
or
some
other
type
of
treatment
up
at
red
esplanade
would
be
suitable
for
the
type
of
development
to
go
in
there,
and
that's
still
like,
I
said
just
because
we're
approving
a
concept
to
move
forward
today
into
design
doesn't
mean
that
we
still
have
a
year
and
a
half
to
make
sure
that
as
we
work
with
y'all
and
if
those
development
desires
come
to
fruition
is
that
we
can't
make
modifications
as
we
go.
However,
it's
better
just
to
keep
things
in
and
see
what
goes
on
until
they
change.
H
We've
also
incorporated
modifications
to
nesbitt
street
to
in
order
to
accommodate
bicycle
traffic
being
routed
onto
that
road
for
elements
of
41..
That
includes
modifications
to
the
traffic
signals
at
marion
and
also
olympia
and
making
some
minor
modifications.
As
far
as
pavement
marking
identification,
dedications
and
signage,
to
show
that,
as
far
as
being
the
desired
and
primary
bike
route
last
thing
is
that
it's,
as
you
know,
right
now,
us41
northbound,
it's
a
three-lane
road
with
basically
what
we
call
an
auxiliary
lane,
that's
not
dedicated!
H
It
just
allows
people
to
basically
whip
around
and
you
know
freer
movement.
We
propose
on
changing
to
the
that
third
lane
to
dedicated
turn
lanes
for
the
major
intersections
as
you
go
through
the
street
and
then
keeping
a
consistent,
continuous
path,
basically
from
williams
all
the
way,
through
the
downtown
of
two
through
lanes
that
take
you
over
the
existing
bridge
over
the
peace
river.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
keep
moving
forward
with
some
concepts,
so
we're
going
to
start
at
the
south
end.
North
unfortunately
goes
this
way
you're
drawing.
H
So
it's
pointed
down
towards
the
right
corner,
but
you
can
see
we're
going
to
start
at
just
north
of
williams
street
and
that
we're
showing
again
there's
a
lot
of
elements
that,
as
it
goes
into
design
that
we'll
be
able
to
move
forward
better
as
we
get
better.
Information
is
to
try
to
introduce
a
shared
use
path
and
still
keeping
a
little
bit
of
a
shoulder
for
two
reasons.
One
as
we
go
through
in
these
urban
conditions
is
that
to
try
to
get
the
bicyclist
encourage
on
the
path
and
to
move
forward.
H
That
way,
but
also
we
have
other
issues
with
drainage
and
we
call
this
gutter
spread
where
we
have
a
couple
feet
of
water
that
usually
piles
up
around
the
gutter.
So
we
try
to
leave
when
we're
doing
these
rehab
jobs.
A
few
extra
feet
that
are
on
the
shoulder
of
the
road
and
they
are,
there
are
still
people
that
are
hardcore
bicyclists
that
do
like
to
ride
with
the
traffic.
H
Basically,
the
roundabout
will
afford
more
more
movements
at
the
intersection
it'll
allow
for
carmelita
traffic
to
enter
the
roundabout
goes
southbound.
It
will
allow
for
southbound
us-41
traffic
to
make
the
u-turn
and
also
to
be
able
to
make
a
left
turn
on
the
carmelita,
and
it
will.
It
serves
as
a
nice
slowing
down
point,
as
in
a
kind
of
like
an
entryway
feature
to
downtown
to
kind
of
introduce
people
that
it's
like
hey,
you're,
coming
into
downtown
on
the
northbound
side
of
41.
H
you'll,
also
notice
that
we
have
pedestrian
crossings
at
the
north
side
and
I'm
going
to
kind
of
slide.
The
cursor
there's
a
pedestrian
crossing
here
proposed
just
north
of
the
shared
use
path
and
the
reason
the
location
of
that
one.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
We
did
some
extensive
coordination
with
sacred
heart
church.
H
They
have
a
program,
they
have
many
daily
programs
at
directory
on
the
west
side
of
us
41
southbound,
and
they
bring
them
over
to
the
other
side
to
the
main
church
hall,
and
so
in
talking
with
the
church,
they
agreed
to
shut
their
driveway
down
on
us
41
that
serves
the
rectory
on
the
west
side.
So
we
could
relocate
that
potential
pedestrian
crossing
to
better
serve
both
the
church
and
the
shared
use
trail,
and
they
were
pretty
happy
with
that.
H
So
as
we're
heading
northbound
you'll
see
that
we
maintain
two
through
lanes
coming
through
at
taylor,
road,
the
reason
being
whoops
I
gotta
back
up
here
now.
Let
me
see
up
there.
Sorry,
I'm
a
little
bit
too
tappy
with
my
fingers
here
today
is
that
with
the
proposed
cities,
pedestrian
and
bicycle
network,
there's
a
lot
of
crossover.
It's
you
have
coming
from
the
linear
trail
that
you
can
go
carmelita
to
the
shared
use
path
on
taylor
and
also
as
you'll
see
later
on
in
the
presentation.
H
Is
that
we're
proposing
also
an
additional
pedestrian
crossing
here
and
keeping
the
road
narrower,
because
you
can
also
come
across
charlotte
across
northbound
41
and
start
heading
nesbit
in
different
areas
as
far
as
that
proposed
future
shared
use
path
in
the
bicycle
path
and
some
other
paths
further
down
the
road
as
we
get
over
here
into
this
corner,
you
can
see
right
after
we
pass
charlotte
going
northbound.
This
is
where
we
start
introducing
dedicated
turn
lanes.
We
have
a
dedicated
left
turn
lane
for
virginia
we're.
Also
proposing
as
I
go
to
the
next
slide.
H
As
you
pass
virginia,
is
that
we
keep
the
traffic
into
two
lanes.
We
will
use
probably
some
we're
recommending
some
kind
of
mountable
restrictive
thing
that
prevents
people
from
blasting
through
those
turns,
but
still
allows
fire
trucks
and
emergency
vehicles
possibly
to
come
around
and
be
able
to
mount
and
keep
on
going
through
those
intersections.
The
two
lanes
are
contiguous.
We
did
include
a
two
lane.
H
We
also
complete
the
crosswalk
and
continue
with
just
having
the
dedicated
two
lanes
to
proceed
northbound
over
the
41
bridge
as
we
get
up
to
reda
espanol
and
where
it
begins
to
pinch
down.
We
have
two
concepts
that
I'll
kind
of
jump
up
and
show
the
first
one
is
still
the
left
turn
lane
that
goes
within
there.
The
proposed
traffic
signal
the
third
lane
it's
there,
but
we're
striping
it
out.
H
H
But
this
is
just
based
on
one
scenario
and
just
to
show
the
flexibility
is
that
on
the
next
slide
here
we
did
the
same
thing,
but
we
have
a
right
turn
lane
at
red
esplanade
just
depending
on
when
development
and
stuff
like
that
may
come
in,
and
it
may
be
a
different
concept.
However,
we
do
have
the
flexibility
to
change
it,
because
most
of
this
stuff
is
fairly
simple.
H
Just
pavement
markings
on
asphalt,
so
you
know
as
a
commitment
as
far
as
us
and
as
I
move
this
onto
the
design
team,
we'll
make
sure
there's
terms
and
conditions
and
if
you
guys
want
continued
updates
as
far
as
that
goes
or
coordination.
As
far
as
any
development
interests
that
go
in
there
we're
more
than
happy
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that
for
another
year
and
a
half
as
it
goes
through
design
again
today,
I'm
just
asking
that
it's
okay
for
this
concept
to
move
forward.
H
The
last
thing
that
we've
added
is
that
so
again,
I
noted
that
up
here
at
charlotte,
we
had
put
in
a
crossing
because
we
propose,
as
you're,
going
northbound.
Of
course,
as
I
I've
told
you
prior
is
that
we
would
have
had
to
put
the
bicyclists
on
the
street
and
we
don't
and
as
pre
or
desire
we're
wishing
to
reroute
them.
So
we're
going
to
use
bike
designation
signs
pretty
much
like
this
to
indicate
that
the
route
actually
is
coming
over
charlotte
coming
up
nesbitt.
H
You
can
continue
through
olympia,
marion
all
the
way
up
to
red
and
espanol,
where
you
would
pick
back
up
with
our
shared
used
path
and
be
able
to
go
north.
Some
of
the
shoulder
striping
and
stuff.
You
see
again
it's
a
combination
of
gutter
spread,
but
then
also
there
might
be
the
occasional
time
where
people
do
ride
their
bikes
and
they
do
want
access
businesses
for
that
areas
downtown.
H
So
we
can't
get
everything
done
because
we
do
have
restrictions,
but
we
can
get
as
much
as
we
can
done,
and
hopefully
I've
demonstrated
that
we've
been
working
with
the
community
and
also
with
the
council
trying
to
do
that
estimated
costs.
They
really
haven't
changed
that
much.
We've
added
a
few
other
features
an
extra
pedestrian
signal
here
and
there,
and
that's
also
to
accommodate
the
increased
proposed
usage
for
rerouting
stuff
along
charlotte
down
along
nesbit
and
the
cost
right
around
6.2
million
dollars.
H
H
Some
of
the
benefits,
as
you
can
see,
with
the
concept
we
have
here,
we're
pretty
much
getting
everything
that
everybody
had
said
is
the
main
desires
and
goals
of
the
council.
We're
trying
to
get
that
bicycle
traffic
shifted
we're
trying
to
do
the
best
as
we
can,
but
we're
also
limited
in
trying
to
work
with
the
budget
and
again
we
will
continue
to
coordinate
with
the
council
the
future
council
throughout
the
design
process.
We
can
come
back
as
requested
or
we
can
set
up
regular
updates.
It's
we'll
leave
it
up
to
y'all's
preference.
H
The
next
steps,
even
though
we're
calling
it
a
lane
repurposing
report,
the
folks
in
tallahassee,
really
didn't
know
what
to
do
with
this
project.
So
they
were
continuing
with
the
report.
H
As
far
as
converting
auxiliary
lanes
into
dedicated
turn
lanes
and
that's
just
part
of
a
departmental
process,
we
do
we
do
plan
on
having
a
public
meeting
or
information
meeting
in
the
spring
of
this
year
because
of
the
right
of
way
associated
and
the
changes
associated
with
the
roundabout,
and
that
would
be
that's
a
statutory
requirement
that
we
have
to
do
and
then
we're
going
to
complete,
based
on
the
disposition
of
the
board.
H
You
know
we
can
try
to
build
as
many
shared
use
paths
and
everything
as
we
want.
However,
there
are
still
people
that
insist
on
riding
on
the
side
of
the
road
or
being
in
there
and
just
with
other
vehicles
be
safe
share
the
road.
This
morning
I
got
rerouted
30
miles
by
crazy
d.o.t
from
a
detour.
We
were
jammed
onto
a
little
country,
road
with
semis,
and
everything
like
that
and
everybody
had
to
be
more
respectful
just
to
the
space.
We're
dealing
with
those
d.o.t
people
they
make
me
go
crazy.
H
Well,
this
one
was
unexpected.
You
know,
because
I'm
late
and
I'm
arriving
here
and
it's
like
oh
great,
the
road's
closed
but
anyways.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
participation
and,
like
I
said,
I
think,
we're
showing,
hopefully
that
the
d.o.t
is
really
really
trying
hard
to
kind
of
a
new
way
of
business.
H
We're
struggling
through
it.
I'm
also
working
on
another
project
where
I'm
taking
a
two-lane
road
to
four
lanes
through
some
of
the
most
environmentally
sensitive
area,
and
they
want
it
done
in
18
months
we're
trying
to
accelerate
things,
we're
trying
to
incorporate
more
positive
elements
of
the
community
into
these
projects.
In
order
to
try
to
you
know
just
not
be
the
big
d.o.t
that
comes
in
and
screw
stuff
up
all
the
time.
We
do
that
enough.
We're
trying
to
change
that
so
anyways
thank
y'all.
J
It
looks
my
I
guess
concerns
I
have
are
that
this
looks
like
it
ultimately
will
create
the
conditions
that
you
see
in
downtown
sarasota,
in
that
it
was
a
plan,
that's
planned,
maybe
10
years
before,
and
then
the
world
changed.
J
I
just
wonder
if
I
guess
two
things:
the
traffic
element,
whether
that's
considered,
because
it
it
seems
like
with
certainty,
horrific
traffic
will
be
created
from
this
and
two
the
age
of
our
community
is
that
putting
a
roundabout
just
coming
into
our
center
of
our
downtown,
which
is
going
to
be
very
probably
very
different.
Downtown
just
doesn't
seem
like
the
wisest
I
mean
I
see
like
in
sarasota.
J
You
have
like
ringling,
that's
kind
of
an
off
street,
but
this
is
our
main
road
and
I
I
find
that,
like
the
use
of
these,
they
can
be
used
in
places
where
they're
not
so
critical.
J
But
I
I
just
I
just
wonder
if
that
aspect
was
being
heard,
because
I
I
just
say
that
this
is
too
critical
coming
into
our
downtown,
but
also
pinching
the
road
when
we
certainly
will
have
so
much
more
traffic,
probably
two
to
five
years
from
now
that
I
think
that
by
the
time
this
gets
underway,
it
will
be
planning
for
now,
and
our
now
is
not
what
our
future
is
going
to.
Look
like
even
our
short-term
future,
and
that's
the
only
thing
I
would.
H
Politely,
disagree
in
the
fact
that
we
did
look
at
your
comprehensive
plan.
We've
looked
at
your
future
circulation
elements.
We
understand
it's
a
dynamic,
that's
changing
the
really.
The
only
one
rigid
thing
we're
recommending
is
the
roundabout,
and
that's
because
of
the
fact
that-
and
I'm
saying
slightly,
is
it
florida
drivers
do
not
respect
traffic
signals?
H
It's
a
high
priority.
It's
one
of
our
top
focus
groups
as
far
as
our
statewide
safety,
but
there's
no
traffic
signal
at
that
location
understood
is
that
it
is
right
now,
an
unsignalized
location.
The
request
was
made
to
evaluate
it
in
order
to
accommodate
more
movements
and
allow
for
better
facilitate
of
traffic
on
carmelita
and
also
on
41..
H
Several
we
go
through
now
and
it's
a
mandate
by
central
office.
What
is
called
a
intersection
control
evaluation
study
where
we
take
the
location,
that's
under
study
and
do
a
series
of
tests
on
it
to
determine
what's
the
most
feasible
and
practical
intersection
that
will
reduce
serious
and
fatal
injuries.
H
A
left
turn
southbound
on
41
to
carmelita
is
that
the
roundabout
was
chosen
because
it
does
help
one
slow
down
speed
as
you
come
in,
and
it
makes
people
more
focused
as
far
as
how
they
traverse
the
intersections
so
and
that
was
conducted
with
study.
That's
what
I
was
saying:
it's
that's
actually
not
my
decision,
that's
decisions
by
the
department
and
other
groups,
and
that
are
experts
in
this
area,
the
and
that's
as
far
as
the
safety
for
the
roundabout.
As
far
as
looking
into
the
future
as
you
get
north
of
there.
H
All
of
these
improvements
are
fairly
superficial
in
the
fact
that
they
are
striping.
That
element
of
the
asphalt
is
still
the
35
to
40
feet,
that's
there
and
it
would
be
most
flexible
as
far
as
being
able
to
change
that
striping
pattern.
To
do
that,
however,
one
of
our
primary
goals
and
as
a
part
of
becoming
a
more
vibrant
and
downtown
area
where
there's
more
interaction
of
pedestrians
with
traffic,
is
we're
working
on
what
we
call
target
speed
and
with
the
design
that
we
have
it
was
shown.
H
I've
shown
in
previous
presentations
is
that
it
will
help
us
maintain
a
target
speed
of
between
18
and
25
miles,
an
hour
which
is
the
highest
survivability
rate
as
far
as
with
pedestrian
interactions
with
traffic,
and
so
that's
another
goal
of
the
of
the
design
that
we
have.
So
we
feel
that,
as
far
as
with
congestion-
yes,
you
know
there
will
be
slowdowns
stuff
like
that.
H
But
it
is
a
downtown
area
and
you
have
to
expect
that,
but,
however,
that
it
will
maintain
focus
on
the
fact
that
it
when
you're
down
there
by
taylor,
you
have
two
distinct
lanes.
That'll
get
you
to
the
bridge
and
you
have
turn
lanes.
That'll
help
pull
that
traffic
out,
but
it
also
helps
control
that
speed.
At
with,
like
I
said,
that
target
range
between
18
to
25
miles
an
hour.
So
we
feel
that
we
have
kind
of
looked
at
that
and
just
to
kind
of
counter
here
and
hear
that.
J
H
Sir,
we
have
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
It's
challenging
it,
but
it's
challenging
for
younger
drivers.
It's
it's!
It's
a
different
treatment
that
we
all
just
have
to
learn
to
use.
There's
two
rules
or
one
rule:
you
have
to
yield
for
traffic
in
the
roundabout
and
if
once
people
understand
that
they
do
work
fairly.
Simply
I'm
sorry,
there's
other
questions.
Nancy.
B
D
Yeah,
I
I
see
it
a
little
differently
living
on
the
south
end
of
town
and
coming
north.
All
the
time
traffic
seems
to
be
more
contained,
I
would
say,
as
soon
as
we
get
into
the
three
lanes,
it's
like
katie
bar
the
door
in
and
it's
never
made
sense
to
me.
I
think,
maintaining
a
flow
and-
and
I
also
feel
that
there
are
people
who
they're
not
coming
to
punta
gorda
they're,
using
41
at
from
fort
myers
to
wherever
they're
going.
D
If
they
can't
go
fast
enough,
then
get
over
it
and
get
on
75.
and
that's
what
75
is
for.
So
we
we
want
people
to
enjoy
punta
gorda,
and
so
I
see
this.
This
has
the
more
potential.
I
really
appreciate
your
listening
and
and
to
our
concerns
and
being
flexible
as
we
proceed
in
the
next
year
and
a
half,
because
I
think
that
things
could
be
changing
around
here
and
so
there's
room
for
that.
D
So
as
much
and
I
like
the
idea
of
the
hawk
signal,
I
think
we
could
learn
from
that
because
where
we
have
crosswalks
that
are
like
we're
on
our
linear
park
and-
and
we
have
problems
where
people
move
here
from
other
states-
and
they
don't
know
that
that
you
don't
have
to
stop
if
somebody's
just
standing
on
the
side
of
the
road,
but
they
stop
anyway.
So
we
end
up,
you
know
with
almost
collisions
we're
in
kind
of
accidents.
D
But
the
other
thing
I
have
a
question
about,
and
I
realize
this
may
be
not
your
responsibility
but,
as
I
was
listening
to
all
of
this,
and
I
appreciate
all
of
your
attention
and
interaction
with
us,
there
are
other
projects
going
on
on
41
and
the
team.
The
the
fdot
team
seems
to
invite
participation,
but
won't
listen,
and
I
am
really-
and
I
know
this
is
my
last
council
meeting
sitting
here
like
this,
but
I'm
fed
up.
D
That
is
not
too
much
traffic.
So
but
it's
it's
they're
serving
their
purpose
and
I
I'm
fed
up
with
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
we
need
to.
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
legislative
agenda
item
to
actually
talk
to
our
legislators,
to
be
able
to
say
no
fdot
can't
drive
their
traffic
down
side
streets
and
which
is
what
is
going
on.
D
So
I
you
know,
I
have
to
bring
it
up
at
this
point
in
time
as
because
it's
something
I
just
we
have
talked
about
time
and
time
again,
and
I
know
that
it's
not
you.
It's
not
your
project.
H
B
D
I
know
that
our
mayor
is
on
sits
on
the
npo
has
has
listened
to.
These
conversations
has
opined
vehemently
at
the
mpo
meetings.
Just.
D
And
so
it's
like
no
matter
who
talks
to
who
it
doesn't
work.
I.
C
D
To
the
governor,
it's
like
it's
driving
me
nuts,
so
let.
H
Me-
and
I
just
I
said
this
quietly,
but
I
can
say
like
at
work.
I
can
be
a
little
bit
more
obnoxious
to
say
it
in
a
I
don't
know
better,
word
or
term
or
something
to
see
if
I
can
set
up
to
get
something
set
up
at
least
to
hear,
because
it's
a
concern
as
far
as
you
know,
I'm
I'm
more
I'm
more
rank
and
file,
I'm
just
a
manager
for
a
certain
group.
But
again
it's
if
it's
that
disconcerting.
H
H
D
D
It
would
allow
traffic
to
flow
northbound,
uninterrupted
it's
only
the
southbound
traffic
which
would
be
signalized
and
and
and
to
me
it
would
it's
a
very
safe
solution
and
listening
to
the
public
and
to
to
respect.
I
think
when
I
I
look
at
the
fdot
mission
and
you
want
quality
of
life
and
you
want
to
promote
economic
development.
You
want
all
these
things
to
happen,
and
then
your
actions
are
completely
the
opposite
and
it's
disruptive
and
it's
and
the
residents
have
been
opining
like
crazy.
I
know
that
well.
D
It
is
like,
well,
I'm
sorry,
we're
fdot,
we
know
better,
and
so
I
just
had
to
say
I
had
to
get
it
off
my
chest
and
I
guess
maybe
it's
for
another
discussion
to
figure
out.
Do
we
need
to
go
to
our
legislators
yeah
and
go
around
fdot?
B
I
concur
with
your
comments
and
we
had
we
had
the
discussion
again
on
monday
mitchell.
Austin
was
also
at
that
meeting
and
we
talked
extensively
about
bain
hart
because
it's
such
I
know,
that's,
not
your
project,
and
we
shouldn't
even
be
talking
about
this
because
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
the
the
deal
is
bainard
is
not
equipped
for
the
possible
transmission
of
vehicles.
That's
going
to
come
across
from
rio
villa
to
a
kia
start,
it's
not
equipped
at
all.
B
It's
way
way
way
out
of
sync
with
the
rest
of
the
roads
around
it
excuse
me
and
it's
just
insufficient.
It's
got.
It's
got
to
be
fixed
and
it's
a
county
road
in
that
segment,
so
we
have
a
whole
different,
dynamic
dealing
with
the
county
and
fdot,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
problem
that
fdot
creates
by
closing
off
the
median
at
rio
villa
so
anyway.
That's.
D
B
L
L
I've
lived
in
communities
where
they
have
been
in
existence
for
a
long
time
and
everybody
just
uses
them.
You
know
my
82
year
old
mother
understands
how
they
work,
so
I
think
pontegorda
can
probably
handle
it.
The
only
thing
that
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
is
the
crosswalks
at
the
roundabout.
I'm
not
sure
how
that
works,
because
if
you
are
expecting
a
roundabout
to
just
be
traffic
flow
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
somebody
pushes
the
button
and
traffic
has
to
stop
for
pedestrians.
H
Yeah
to
kind
of
back
up
on
also
on
the
councilman
cummings
thing
is
that
in
sarasota
they
I
I
was
been
working
on
that
for
41.
Basically,
since
1999,
when
they
did,
the
sarasota
master
plan
is
that
they
have
a
roundabout
quarter
on
u.s
41.
Basically,
every
major
intersections
roundabout
and
we
have
been
coming
in
and
putting
in
hawk
signals
just
on
the
exiting
throats
in
order
to
allow
these
and
it's
through
a
serious
experimentation.
H
We've
got
now
the
hawks
set
up
to
where
the
visibility
is
for
the
direction
of
the
traffic
flow
and
it
comes
through
and
because
of
the
reduced
speeds.
Is
that
it's
much
less
of
a
probability
of
rear
ends
and
all
that
is
entering
the
roundabout.
So
it's
experiment
in
progress
we
just
have
completed.
I
think-
and
it
was
a
developer
driven
roundabout,
where
they
have
the
hawk
signals
on
all
four
approaches
of
the
roundabout
and
it
seems
to
be
working.
H
Fine,
it's
just
a
matter
with
the
reduced
speeds,
so,
okay,
and
and
not
to
say
that
we
won't
make
modifications
in
the
future
as
we
implement
them,
because
we're
going
through
a
whole
new
process.
Also,
but
it
they
are,
they
do
seem
to
be
working
and,
like
I
said,
because
of
the
slower
speeds
going
through
there
now
that
the
rear
ends
or
the
concerns
that
you
have,
that
you
know
people
all
of
a
sudden
stopping
because
of
a
hawk
being
on.
Is
that
we're
not
seeing
that?
H
Okay,
okay,
that
sounds
good
and
if
they
are
they're
very
minor
and
again
we
will
trade,
100
property
crashes
every
day
for
injury
or
fatality
crashes
yeah
I
mean
you
know
you
can
get
your
car
fixed,
but
it's
really
hard.
You
know
when
you
have
a
broken
leg
or
broken
arm
or
god
forbid,
you
die
and
that's
our
main.
You
know
you
can
fix
a
car,
and
so
that's
our
main
concern
is
to
slow
those
people
down
and
you'll.
H
L
H
I
B
I
The
rest
of
the
project
that
you've
completed
and
worked
with
us
so
diligently
on,
I
think,
is
in
a
good
spot
right
now,
if
it's
easier
to
think
I
think
of
it
as
you've
got
a
two
lane
coming
into
from
the
south,
and
you've
got
two
lanes
going
over
the
bridge
and
somewhere
in
the
middle
there
we
got
three
lanes
and
it
just
has
been
messed
up
forever.
It
doesn't
work.
I
We've
made
you've
made
room
for
turn
lanes
now,
so
that
people
can
still
keep
maintain
those
two
full
lanes
and
not
interrupt
anything,
so
I
think
we've
probably
without
making
the
the
the
whole
road
wider.
I
think
this
is
the
best
solution
we
could
accommodate,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
proceeding.
Thank
you,
sir.
B
And
that
was
intentional
by
the
way,
so
thank
you
for
working
with
the
city
staff
on
the
bicycle
path,
diversion
to
nesbitt.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
asset.
That
was
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
and
you-
and
I
talked
about
that
a
number
of
times.
B
The
speed
limit
needs
to
be
reduced
from
probably
virginia
up
to
lashley
park,
because
that's
going
to
be
the
main
thoroughfare
for
bicycle
traffic
as
well
as
vehicles,
and
it's
already
a
very
precarious
couple
of
intersections
that
they
have
to
go
through,
but
when
they
come
off
of
marion
going
westbound
and
they
and
they
go
to
lashley
park,
they
speed
up
or
if
they
come
off
of
esplanade
to
go
into
lashley
park.
They
speed
up
and
there
are
condos
in
there
and
there's
the
vietnam
wall
and
there's
all
kinds
of
other
things
back
there.
B
The
concern
is
that
there
people
from
the
condos
can't
get
out
of
their
street
for
one
thing
they
can't
get
out
of
the
street
from
the
courthouse
or
the
justice
center.
They
call
it
there,
and
so
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
the
speed
limit
on
nesbit
because
it's
actually
too
fast
for
the
for
the
current
amount
of
flow
of
traffic
that
goes
in
and
out
of
that
little
corridor
there.
So
that's
one
thing
we
should
also
address
as
part
of
this
project.
B
I
got
a
concern
about
the
roundabout
with
regard
to
a
lot
of
the
semi
traffic
that
goes
down
that
corridor
to
all
of
the
car
dealerships.
Specifically,
they
want
to
make
sure
that
the
roundabout
is
sufficiently
wide
and
can
accommodate
all
of
the
commercial
delivery
trucks
that
are
going
down
that
corridor
and
the
other
thing
that
I
got
it
was
interesting.
B
I
got
an
email
forwarded
from
a
certain
fdot
person,
which
was
with
regard
to
patrick
fuller's
comments
on
the
emergency,
access
with
vehicles
that
have
to
access
that
left
lane
going
northbound
if
we
put
any
bulbs
of
any
kind.
How
are
the
emergency
vehicles
going
to
get
around
traffic
if
they
have
to
go
anywhere
from
the
police
station
up
to
the
bridges
or
beyond
the
bridges?
B
And
so
I
had
the
police
on
the
fire
chiefs
weigh
in
and
if
I
may
ask
chief
briggs
to
come
in
and
just
comment
briefly
he's
in
the
other
room.
I
would
like
just
to
have
him
give
a
brief
recap
of
what
he
sent
to
me.
Yeah
here.
C
Absolutely
chief
briggs
on
a
board
of
fire.
So
in
our
conversation,
the
email
and
again
I
took
my
head
conversation
with
patrick
fuller
from
charlotte
county
emergency
management
as
well,
and
so
you
stated
our
concern
perfectly
that
you
know
any
anything
that
would
impede
our
response.
Anything
that
has
response
time,
certainly
we're
not
in
favor
of
so
you
know,
taking
that
left
lane
and
I
realized
striping
is
not
always
as
effective
as
you
know,
for
everyday
traffic,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
we
can
use.
We've
also
had
discussion.
C
H
No
and
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
success
and
what
we're
proposing
to
the
project
design
team
is
probably
a
different
material
instead
of
asphalt
as
possibly
it's
a
concrete
apron,
but
we
can
design
it
such
that
you
put
about
a
two
inch
lip
on
it,
but
it
optically
to
the
public.
It
looks
like
it's
a
little
bit
more
formidable
than
that.
H
We've
used
it
in
other
locations
as
far
as
with
roundabouts,
and
it's
basically
just
taking
concrete
and
boxing
it
in
and
making
it
look
like
it's
a
higher
it's
an
optical
illusion
and
then
with
that
combined
with
the
frangible
sticks
and
other
treatments
like.
That
is
that
we
can
look
at
a
variable
things
that
are
mountable
and
don't
deter
emergency
vehicle
access
or
use,
and
that's
one
of
the
definite
recommendations
that
we're
carrying
on
to
the
design
team,
the
concept
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
H
The
concepts
I've
shown
you
are
kind
of
overreaching,
but
like
details
like
signs
and
stuff
like
that
in
the
curbing,
is
that
if
you
want
as
we
proceed
forward,
I
can
make
sure
the
design
team
comes
back
with
those
specific
issues.
As
far
as
making
sure
that
it
satisfies
the
needs-
and
that's
just
the
condition
we
can
put
on
our
design
team
and
I'm
perfect-
I'm
involved
in
the
project
throughout-
and
I
like
I
said
I
can
be
irritating
and
make
it
happen.
H
C
Well,
thank
you
for
addressing
the
concerns.
Thank
you
and
again.
I
know
I
speak
for
both.
You
know:
law
enforcement
and
fire
ems.
H
Absolutely
and
that's
a
question:
we've
been
working
on
because
there's
a
lot
of
other
concept,
we're
working
in
bradenton
for
what
they
call
bat
lanes
and
that's
taking
on
a
six-lane
road
and
making
the
outside
lanes.
Basically
bus
bus
lanes
and
right
turn
lanes
for
all
the
businesses.
But
then
we
also
have
added
in
the
fact
that
emergency
vehicles
need
to
be
able
to
access
those
lanes
and
use
them
in
the
same
way
as
basically
getting
around
and
improving
their
response
times.
H
It's
no
longer
just
the
lazy,
little
fishing
towns
and
you
know
nothing
in
between
sebring
and
until
you
get
basically
the
point
of
it's
we're,
basically
urbanizing,
basically
from
naples,
all
the
way
up
to
tampa
and
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
being
able
to
maintain
response
times,
but
also
looking
at
traffic
being
slowed
down.
Naturally,
just
because
of
congestion
and
increased
pedestrian
and
stuff
like
that.
So
we
are
looking
at
a
whole
host
of
different
kind
of
options.
Concrete
texturing
stuff,
like
that.
B
Yeah-
and
I
asked
chief
davis
from
the
police
department
for
her
comments
as
well,
and
she
basically
did
say
that
she
would
like
to
see
better
speed
control
in
that
in
that
quarter
and
that
painting
the
the
road
is
not
necessarily
the
solution,
because
the
paint
fades
and
it
has
to
be
maintained
at
all
times.
So
you
know
I
was
concerned
because
that's
something
we
haven't
talked
about
in
all
of
our
discussions.
The
ems
vehicles
was
never
part
of
any
of
the
discussions
that
we
had.
H
B
H
H
H
B
You
know
you
did.
You
did
address
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
we've
talked
about
and
you
you
did
incorporate
a
lot
of
the
things
we've
we've
gone
on
and
on
and
on
about
on
at
various
meetings
and
and
I
do
think
we
do
need
to
address
the
lower
quarter
in
a
separate
conversation,
and
I
will
talk
to
wayne
and
lk
about
that.
B
But
you
know,
I
think
I
think
at
this
point
we've
done
just
about
everything
that
we've
discussed
that
had
to
be
done
and-
and
I
support
it
and
jaha-
you
have
a
comment
just
want.
J
To
thank
you.
Your
team
has
done
like
a
ridiculously
comprehensive
job
of
dealing
with
this.
Thank
you
really,
and
secondly,
I
was
on
a
freight
meeting
yesterday
and
one
of
the
best
meetings
I've
probably
had
in
my
life
was
your
team
dealing
with
the
supply
chain.
Issues
really
have
to
command
them.
No.
H
B
B
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
concept
of
the
vision
study
for
fdot
on
the
northern
tamiami
trail
corridor.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
I'm
sure
we'll
be
talking
soon.
Oh
yeah.
Definitely
we
will
thank.
You
all
have.
H
B
H
B
F
Good
morning,
chuck
pablos
utilities.
Director
again,
this
topic
is
going
to
be
the
minimum
flows
for
lower
shell
creek.
The
water
management
district
is
required
to
establish
minimum
flows
and
levels
for
various
water
bodies
and
working
with
the
staff
for
over
10
years.
I
think
it's
been.
We
finally
have
our
proposed
minimum
flows
for
lower
shell
creek.
It's
important
to
us,
because
shell
creek
is
where
it's
the
raw
water
source
for
our
surface
water
water
plant.
So
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
the
impacts
of
implementing
these
minimum
flows
with
us.
F
Today,
we've
got
several
representatives
from
the
district
and
jonas
is
going
to
be
making
a
presentation,
giving
a
little
background
on
minimum
flows
and
how
they
went
through
their
process
to
establish
the
minimum
flows
that
they're
proposing.
Also
with
us
we've
got
laura
from
corolla
engineering.
It's
been
exceptionally
helpful
to
us
in
discussions
with
the
district
and
then
once
the
minimum
flows
have
been
proposed,
we
relied
on
laura
to
help
us
model.
What
is
that
effect
on
our
water
source?
F
Well,
we
didn't
always
agree
with
them.
They
were
always
willing
to
listen
to
our
concerns
and,
I
think
could
try
to
accommodate
us
as
best
we
could.
I
can't
thank
laura
enough
for
the
effort
she
gave
because
I
don't
think
we
would
have
gotten
to
a
point
where
we
were
without
her
help.
In
doing
that,
I
do
want
to
point
out
steve
adams.
I
I
can
assure
you
he
represented
the
city
extremely
well,
I'm
sure
the
district
has
a
dark
board
with
his
face
on
it.
M
M
M
M
M
So
we
modeled
the
lower
peace,
river
and
lausa
creek
together
as
one
system,
and
this
helped
us
to
better
characterize
the
hydrology
of
the
system
and,
as
you
may
know,
last
year
in
december,
the
district
governing
board
approved
the
recommended
minimum
of
loss
for
lower
peace
river
and
the
minimum
loss
became
effective.
As
a
rule.
This
year
in
april
and
recently
the
wireless
permit
for
the
author,
it
was
modified
to
incorporate
the
recommended
minimum
flows
for
low
peace
river
for
the
launch
critic,
the
minimum
flows.
M
M
M
Okay,
then,
the
next
major
task
was
to
use
the
baseline
flow
and
characterize
the
flow
regime
to
represent
low
medium
and
high
flow
conditions.
Addition
in
the
graph,
so
the
first
one
is
the
low
flow
of
block
one.
We
call
it
block
one,
and
this
is
this
happens
when
the
flow
is
low
below
56
cubic
feet
per
second-
and
this
often
happens
from
april
through
mid
of
june,
and
it
accounts
for
almost
25
percent
of
the
days
within
the
year.
M
M
M
In
addition
to
the
salinity
habitats,
we've
accessed
habitats
for
eight
estuarine
dependent
taxa,
which
are
known
to
be
sensitive
to
fresh
water
change
and
we've
also
looked
at
the
water
aquatics,
the
major
ones,
including
d
or
neutrons,
and
chlorophyll
and
color,
as
well
and
of
all
those
variables.
The
low
silent
volume,
specifically
the
less
than
two
practical
salient
unit,
was
a
the
most
sensitive
metric
to
flow
reductions.
M
M
So,
based
on
that
standard,
we
developed
the
recommended
minimum
flows
for
larger
creek
for
each
flow
based
regime.
So
when
the
flow
is
low
or
in
block
one,
the
habitats
are
sensitive
to
withdrawals.
So
withdrawal
is
limited
to
thirteen
percent
of
the
flow
when
the
flow
increases
from
block
1
to
block
2.
The
medium
flow
range
withdrawals
increase
up
to
23
percent
of
the
flow
and
when
the
flow
is
in
higher
range
is
less
sensitive.
Withdrawals
could
reach
up
to
40
percent
of
the
flow.
M
M
M
So
with
the
use
of
the
district
cooperatively,
funded
ro
plant,
the
recommended
low
shell
creek,
minimum
flows
are
currently
met
and
no
recovery
strategy
is
needed.
However,
the
recommended
minimum
flows
are
not
projected
to
be
met
in
the
next
20
years,
so
by
law.
The
district
is
required
to
concurrently
adopt
a
prevention
strategy,
but
the
good
news
is
the
series
only
required
to
modify
the
water
is
permit.
No
additional
project
is
required.
M
M
Laura
bamberger
is
going
to
talk
more
about
this.
The
implementation
of
the
this
wireless
permit
modification
and
its
implication
for
the
water
supply
reliability.
M
N
A
And
the
water
management
district
certainly
did
a
lot
of
work
to
help
facilitate
this
and,
of
course,
independently.
We
have
a
consultant
also
that
has
verified
all
the
information,
as
was
prudent
and
come
to
very
similar
conclusions.
So
working
with
utility
staff
we've
come
to
a
place
where
we
feel
that
we
can
meet
our
water
supply
and
still
accommodate
the
statutory
requirements
of
the
minimum
employee
levels
in
lower
shell
creek,
specifically
that
we're
discussing.
N
So
first,
I
wanted
to
give
just
a
little
bit
more
background
on
the
city's
water
supply
and
what
your
projected
demands
are
anticipated
to
be
so.
The
city's
current
water
use
permit
allows
an
annual
average
withdrawal
of
just
over
8
million
gallons
per
day
on
an
average
basis
and
a
peak
month,
withdrawal
of
11.7
million
gallons
per
day.
So
that's
the
month
of
the
year
where
you
have
the
highest
demands.
On
average,
the
allowed
withdrawal
is
just
over
11
mgd.
N
The
city
has
two
treatment
facilities:
the
original
shell
creek
water
treatment
facility,
which
treats
the
surface
water
from
shell
creek
on
the
city's
reservoir
and
the
reverse
osmosis
facility,
which
was
brought
online
last
year
in
2020,
and
this
facility
can
produce
up
to
4
million
gallons
per
day
using
brackish
ground
water.
The
city
also
has
an
interconnect
with
the
peace
river
minnesota
regional
water
supply
authority
that
can
be
used
to
transfer
water
as
needed
both
from
the
authority
to
the
city
and
also
from
the
city
to
the
authority.
N
This
aerial
photo
shows
again
the
shell
creek
reservoir,
which
was
made
via
the
hendrickson
dam.
You
can
see
the
lower
street
creek
portion
is
over
to
the
left
and
in
the
lower
right
you
can
see
the
inset
of
the
water
treatment
facility
on
the
water
treatment
facility
site.
The
original
treatment
plant
is
on
the
left
and
the
reverse
osmosis
was
constructed
over
on
the
the
west
side.
I'm
sorry
that'd
be
the
east
side,
and
that
was
brought
online
last
july
of
2020.
N
In
terms
of
your
historical
water
demands
to
customers,
this
graph
shows
both
the
annual
average
and
the
maximum
month,
demands
that
were
provided
to
your
city's
residents
and
also
some
residents
of
charlotte
county.
So
the
water
demand
has
increased
from
about
4.4
million
gallons
per
day
to
5.3
million
gallons
per
day
in
the
last
10
years,
and
on
that
maximum
month,
up
to
a
six
and
a
half
mgd
last
year,.
N
The
service
area
population
is
expected
to
increase
from
just
under
40
000
people
to
over
47
000
people
by
2040,
and
these
are
based
on
projections
developed
by
the
water
management
district
and
the
water
demand.
Similarly
will
be
increasing
from
about
5.3
mgd
up
to
6.1
million
gallons
per
day
over
the
next
20
years.
N
So
jonas
mentioned
the
seasonal
variation
in
the
the
water
supply
or
the
stream
flow,
and
that's
similar
to
the
change
in
water
demand
that
you
see
in
your
utility.
So
usually
your
highest
demand
months
are
in
the
spring
when
people
are
wanting
to
irrigate.
You
have
seasonal
population
here,
and
the
demands
are
usually
lower
in
the
summer
when
there's
not
as
much
seasonal
population
and
it
rains
more.
N
So
this
was
used
in
the
the
modeling
that
we
did
to
look
at
the
water
demands
throughout
the
year.
So,
first
just
as
a
baseline.
What
would
the
water
supply?
Look
like
what
would
have
looked
like
last
year.
What
would
it
look
like
in
2020
if
there
was
no
minimum
flow
established?
If
you
did
not
need
to
modify
your
water
use,
permit
the
chart
on
the
left
shows
up
through
june
of
last
year?
You
did
provide
all
of
your
water
solely
with
the
shell
creek
water
treatment
plant,
starting
in
july.
N
You
could
start
using
the
city
started
using
their
reverse
osmosis
facility
for
illustrative
purposes.
We
have
that
at
2mgd
per
month,
because
they
would
not
usually
operate
that
at
the
full
capacity
of
for
mgd,
but
it
would
just
show
that
throughout
each
month
the
city
could
operate.
You
know
at
a
steady,
2
mgd
of
groundwater
and
make
up
the
remainder
with
surface
water
and
in
the
future,
if
there
was
no
mfl
established,
the
city
could
continue
doing
that
using
just
2
mgd
of
groundwater
and
make
up
the
remainder
in
surface
water.
N
However,
with
the
mfl
as
you'll
see
in
some
of
the
upcoming
slides,
the
city
will
need
to
rely
more
on
the
ro
and
less
on
the
surface
water
during
the
the
drier
months
in
the
spring.
During
block
one,
so
let's
look
and
see
what
that
would
have
looked
like
last
year
if
the
mfl
would
have
been
in
place.
So
there's
a
few
different
parts
to
this
slide.
N
Jonas
mentioned
the
three
blocks
block
one
being
the
lowest
flow
block
block,
two
being
the
medium
and
block
three
being
high,
so
block
one
is
really
the
critical
month
when
it
comes
to
the
city's
water
supply,
that's
the
driest
month.
So
therefore,
your
demands
are
higher
and
that's
when
the
mfl
is
most
restrictive.
N
So
in
our
model
we
looked
at
using
two
mgd
of
ro
as
a
baseline
and
then
increased
that
if
the
surface
water
withdrawals
were
limited
by
the
mfl,
but
you
would
have
been
able
to
meet
your
mfl's
on
a
monthly
average
basis
if
they
were
to
have
been
in
place
last
year
in
blocks
two
and
three.
This
is
the
higher
flow
times,
medium
and
high
flow.
N
So
there's
not,
you
know,
really
any
impact
to
the
city's
water
withdrawals
based
on
those
flow
blocks,
but
for
illustrative
purposes
here
you
can
see
again
using
two
mgd
of
ro
and
the
remainder
surface.
Water
would
meet
demands
in
blocks.
2
and
3.
N
So
the
the
model
looks
at
both
monthly
averages,
but
we
also
wanted
to
look
at
a
maximum
day
condition
because
throughout
each
month
there
are
variations
and
demands.
So
we
also
looked
at
on
a
maximum
day
basis.
How
could
the
city
meet
its
demands
during
that
particular
day
of
high
demand,
and
last
year,
the
highest
day?
Demand
was
just
over
8
million
gallons.
So,
instead
of
the
5.3
average,
it
was
just
over
8
mgd.
N
And
I
guess
I
should
mention
on
this
slide.
This
is
if
the
maximum
day
occurred
in
block
one
usually
block.
One
does
not
occur
in
the
summer,
because
it's
the
wetter
condition,
but
if
there
was
an
extended
drought,
the
model
showed
that
you
may
need
to
transfer
some
water
from
the
authority
and
even
in
the
summer,
if
there
was
a
very
severe
drought
and
you
happened
to
be
in
block
one
in
the
summer,
if
there
hadn't
been
much
rain.
N
N
For
this
analysis,
we
did
assume
that
the
city
would
start
using
their
reverse
osmosis
facility
more
in
particular
in
the
spring,
because
as
the
demands
increase
and
with
the
mfl
in
place
you'll,
you
will
need
to
rely
more
on
the
ro
facility,
but
this
chart
shows
that,
on
a
monthly
average
basis,
the
city
could
meet
its
projected
demands.
Each
month
using
you
know
your
own
sources,
the
ro
at
three
and
a
half
mgb
and
making
up
the
rest
with
surface
water.
N
N
So
what
we
looked
at
was
a
daily
implementation
model
of
the
mfl
for
2020,
and
we
looked
at
what
your
actual
demands
were
each
day
and
if
the
mfl
were
in
place,
you
know
which
facilities
would
be
used
and
to
determine
if
a
transfer
would
be
needed
from
the
authority
or
how
much
you
could
rely
on
the
city's
own
sources.
So
we
made
some
assumptions
here
that
the
ro
would
run
at
2mgd
but
would
be
increased
to
4
mgd
if
needed.
N
N
So
we
used
the
shell
creek
flows
from
2020
but
applied
the
higher
2040
demands
to
the
to
the
to
the
model
and
again
use
the
ro
at
2mgd
as
a
baseline,
increasing
deformity
when
needed,
and
the
result
was
that
the
city
would
need
to
transfer
more
water
from
the
authority
as
your
demands
increase,
and
particularly
those
months
in
the
spring
and
winter
of
march
april
may
and
a
little
bit
in
january.
So
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
on
the
scale
on
the
chart.
N
J
It's
probably
probably
first
for
for
greg
and
then
relate
to
the
two
of
you.
We
talked
about
the
need
for
investing
in
say
either
or
the
ro
or
the
service
water
plan,
and
this
the
parameters
we're
operating
within
right
now
or
within.
Let's
say
this
20-year
level:
we
meet
the
recovery
levels
and
we
have
this
good
ratio.
Does
this
inform
where
we
need
to
invest
like
from
this
data?
We
have
now.
A
We
know
that
we
need
the
interconnection
which
we
now
have,
which
makes
it
a
regional
utility,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
swift
mud
could
invest
in
the
ro
facility
as
part
of
our
mitigation
strategy,
and
we
know
that
we're
talking
about
if
we
fall
below
the
56
are
in
the
block,
one
condition,
and
if
we
do
that
and
only
have
four
mgd
and
ro,
these
statistics
supply,
if
at
some
point
in
the
future,
in
the
next
20
years,
when
we're
looking
at
upgrading
our
facilities
overall,
if
we
are
able
to
invest
in,
say
an
additional
2
mgd
or
an
additional
train
of
ro,
it
changes
the
whole
complexity
of
this
and
then.
A
Thirdly,
when
we
look
at
our
interconnect
with
the
authority
right
now
in
modification
of
that
agreement.
Accordingly,
we
always
have
that,
as
certainly
a
backup
not
only
for
this
condition
but
emergency
conditions
which
can
go
either
direction.
They
may
need
us
or
we
may
need
them,
but
the
amount
of
money
we
currently
have
budgeted
in
the
utility
fund
for
capital
projects.
A
One
of
the
future
analysis
will
be
where's
that
money
best
spent
what's
most
efficient
for
the
city
in
the
utility
operation
as
far
as
investing
in
full
capacity
of
our
current
surface
water
system.
Or
do
we
put
some
of
that
in
our
o
and
upgrade
the
surface
water
system
to
a
point?
That's
necessary.
So
that's
one
of
the
analysis
that
will
be
done,
but
knowing
that
the
the
water
management
district,
also
over
a
period
of
time,
has
looked
at
several
options,
including
a
bypass
structure
that
was
deemed
not
to
be
as
feasible.
A
The
total
with
the
analysis
and
all
the
additional
detail
that
was
used
to
come
up
with
the
four
mgd,
essentially
of
withdrawal
and
block
one
conditions,
and
knowing
that
only
if
we
hit
block
one,
we
still
have
the
ability,
long
term
to
upgrade
our
water
supply
from
groundwater
or
use
the
interconnection
which
makes
us
a
regional
utility.
We
still
have
a
very
reliable
water
source
for
our
growth
well
into
the
future
for
decades
into
the
future,
based
on
a
aggressive
growth
management
strategy
that
takes
us
to
2040..
F
If
I
just
wait,
I
just
want
to
be
sure.
As
lara
said
you
know,
the
backup
is
the
interconnect
with
the
authority,
and
today
we
currently
are
transferring
water
in
order
to
keep.
We
have
two
lines
and
to
keep
those
lines
fresh.
We
send
water
back
and
forth.
So
currently
we
are
transferring
orders
they're
transferring
to
us
and
we're
transferring
back
to
them.
B
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
recommendation
to
modify
the
city's
water
use,
permit
it's
redundant
on
there
to
incorporate
the
schedule
of
water
withdrawals
from
lower
shell
creek
and
authorize
the
city
manager
to
sign.
Permit
modification
any
further
discussion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
all
right
opposed.
D
Motion
carries
unanimously,
yes,
question
and
chuck
may
be
able
to
weigh
in
on
this.
D
Is
there
any
movement
to
legislate
municipalities
offering
reclaimed
so
that
it
would
reclaim
water,
which
would
then
reduce
the
potable
water
usage?
D
E
F
Two,
it's
my
experience
and
to
install
a
reclaimed
water
system
in
an
already
developed
community
is
very
disruptive
and
expensive.
You
know
we
did
when
I
was
at
cape
coral.
We
did
it,
but
a
lot
of
you
know
lots
were
not
developed
vacant
lots
and
we
put
in
the
same
time
we
were
putting
in
the
water
in
the
sewer
system.
So
to
go
back
now
would
be
very
difficult.
F
A
Also
I
mean
when
you
do
deep.
Well
injection,
you
look
at
the
water
quality.
We
have
a
major
project
on
the
books
right
now
for
our
wastewater
system
and
you
look
at
the
water
quality
going
out.
If
you
had,
for
example,
someone
was
going
to
develop
a
large
subdivision
with
golf
courses
and
different
things
where
you
could.
You
know,
in
theory,
think
about
using
some
of
your
treated
water
reclaimed
to
provide
a
source
there,
especially
for
a
land
application
type
thing
like
a
golf
course
irrigation.
A
N
E
B
It's
11
o'clock.
We
want
to
get
back
in
session.
Please
john
and
manager
mr
miller,
mr
miller
paging,
mr
miller.
There
we
go.
Okay,
all
right
city
council
is
back
in
session
and
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
agreement
award
to
evoco
water
technologies,
llc
of
sarasota
florida
for
liquid
hydrogen
peroxide
products
and
equipment
good
morning.
E
Anne
heinen
procurement,
the
city,
currently
has
an
agreement
for
the
sulfide
corrosion
and
odor
control
products
for
the
collection
system.
It
includes
equipments
and
services
products
and
that's
due
to
expire
in
november.
So
in
anticipation
of
the
expiration
procurement
release
the
solicitation
for
those
services
to
continue
after
the
expiration
date.
E
It
was
an
invitation
to
bid
149
vendors
were
noticed.
Three
vendors
did
reply
to
the
solicitation
and
one
vendor
was
declined
due
to
not
providing
material
information
that
were
questioned
a
bit,
the
lowest,
responsive
and
responsible
bidder.
It
was
vocal
water
technologies
based
on
the
quantities
that
were
provided
by
the
department.
E
The
annual
services
will
cost
281
thousand
by
approximately
five
hundred
dollars.
Two
eighty
one,
five
hundred
over
and
that'll
be
a
five
year
contract
based
on
the
new
pricing
for
the
five
year
contract.
The
city
can
realize
an
estimated
annual
savings
of
approximately
45
000
per
year,
so
procurement
is
recommending.
Our
staff
is
recommending
award
for
this
agree
agreement
to
avocad
water
technologies
as
lowest,
responsible
and
responsive
bitter.
J
B
O
B
O
Good
afternoon
for
the
record
kathy
miller
canal
maintenance.
Today
I
would
like
to
present
and
discuss
the
expansion
of
the
puna
gorda
isles
canal
maintenance
district.
In
may
of
2021,
we
received
an
application
from
champaign
estates,
which
is
a
condominium
located
at
1600
west
marion
avenue
to
be
included
into
the
district.
O
O
The
applicant
is
here
in
the
audience.
If
there
are
any
questions,
staff
is
also
recommending
that,
through
the
application,
through
the
replacement
process,
that
we
sell
the
seawall
panels
to
the
applicant,
so
that
our
structure
is
consistent
with
everything
else
we
have
in
the
system
we're
looking
at
approximately
41
seawall
panels.
O
L
Kathy,
how
did
they
make
it
this
long
without
being
in
our
system?
I.
O
Don't
know
it's
an
original
wall,
it's
an
original
sea,
walling
cap,
you
know
and-
and
I
think
they
realized-
that
they
were
having
issues
with
their
seawall
as
well.
That's
why
we
have
been
working
with
them
on
and
off
about
including
them
in
the
district,
but
I
think
they
realized
the
benefit
of
being
part
of
the
district
and
there's.
O
L
K
So
remember,
the
districts
were
actually
created
following
the
turnover
of
the
canals
from
the
original
developer,
pgi
and
then
bgi
through
the
city,
so
the
canals
would
then
be
in
the
sea.
Walls
associated
with
them
would
then
be
the
city's
responsibility
for
maintenance,
and
the
way
to
have
funds
was
to
establish
this
district.
K
So
I'm
I'm
presuming
that
the
area
that
includes
the
condo
wasn't
part
of
the
development.
At
that
time,
the
other
properties
may
have
voluntarily
sought
to
get
in
at
some
either
early
date
or
later
date
after
the
creation
of
the
districts,
and
also
point
out
that
this,
as
I
mentioned
this
morning,
this
is
one
of
those
things
that
is
a
legislative
decision
which
is
subject
to
your
discretion,
and
the
item
is
before
you
today.
K
L
D
O
B
A
E
A
B
Second,
okay:
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
inclusion
of
champaign
estates
condos
into
the
canal
maintenance
district,
with
the
stipulation
of
replacing
the
entire
sea
wall
on
their
property
prior
to
being
accepted
any
further
discussion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
so.
K
B
A
Yep
and
chuck
will
give
some
detail
on
this.
This
presentation
is
not
intended
to
go
into
all
the
detail
of
how
to
construct
the
system.
It's
simply
yeah.
Thank
you.
It's
simply
the
abstract
of
we
have
an
engineering
report
back
now
and
what
that
engineering
report
recommends
and
ultimately
what
the
cost
is
going
to
be.
We
didn't
want
anyone
to
get
out
of
here
without
hearing
all
this
and
knowing
what.
A
Going
to
have
to
be
looking
at
in
the
future,
so
chuck
can
go
into
some
of
that
detail
and
really
it's
informational
as
we
get
into
our
legislative
initiatives,
etc.
So
you
have
this
information
as
we
move
forward.
F
Chuck
pavlos
utilities,
director
several
years
ago,
we
had
jones
edmonds
engineers
completed
a
sewer,
deceptic
master
plan
for
the
city.
The
master
plan
identified
charlotte
park
area
as
the
highest
priority
move
forward.
We
recently
engaged
giffor's
webster
engineers
to
prepare
a
preliminary
engineering
report
to
evaluate
gravity
and
vacuum
sewer
alternatives
recommend
the
preferred
alternative
and
prepare
preliminary
cost
estimate.
F
The
report
recommends
serving
the
charlotte
park
area,
with
a
mixture
of
two
new
vacuum
systems
to
serve
the
east
and
west
sides
of
the
area,
as
well
as
extend
some
of
the
existing
gravity
systems
for
almar
drive
and
vasco
street.
To
maximize
the
potential
of
the
existing
infrastructure
cost
is
approximately,
I
think,
it's
25
million,
which
is
about
20
000
per
equivalent
residential
connection.
F
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
in
the
report,
since
they
were
evaluating
vacuum
to
gravity,
the
cost
is
not
the
total
project
cost
is
only
the
differential
costs
were
included
for
comparative
purposes.
There
are
some
soft
costs,
such
as
surveying,
easements,
funding
of
legal
services
that
were
emitted
from
that,
so
just
but
it's
in
the
ballpark
of
20
000
per
lot.
F
So
we're
at
the
point
now
in
the
study.
The
next
steps
would
be
to
if
you
want
to
move
forward,
to
do
a
more
detailed
design.
Look
at
some
funding
options,
come
up
with
assessment
methodology
and
go
forward.
A
And
I
think
that's
really
the
key
thing
where
it
says:
recommendations
and
next
step.
You
can
see
that
if
we
were
going
to
move
forward,
you'd
be
talking
about
what
type
of
system
we
want
to
put
in
the
ground.
But
if
we're
proceeding,
which
you
can
see,
the
whatever
that
shape
is
trapezoidal.
B
A
Says
proceed
with
central
sewer:
there's
two
options:
one!
You
don't
and
you
just
end
the
discussion,
but
the
other
one
is
that
we're
at
least
still
evaluating.
The
next
option
is
looking
at
funding
options
and
that's
where
we
are
so
funding
options
could
indeed
include
money
from
state
or
federal
sources.
So,
as
we
look
at
our
legislative
initiatives,
if
we
want
to
add
that
as
part
of
the
discussion
point
you
needed
to
at
least
have
this
information
that
has
now
come
in
say
that
you
knew
what
scope
we're
looking
at
as
far
as
funding.
A
Of
course,
we
have
three
phases
to
this,
but
still,
even
if
we're
doing
400
homes,
when
the
engineer
looks
at
it,
they
look
at.
Where
can
we
put
master
stations
so
you're
not
just
looking
for
a
phase
but
what's
most
efficient
and
what
the
overall
cost
will
be?
And
then
we
would
look
at
phasing
and
funding
options
under
the
yes
box.
First,
one
funding
being
part
of
our
legislative,
potentially
request.
So.
F
If
I
could
that's,
I
think
one
important
point
in
the
original,
so
we
had
you
know,
area
one
two
and
three
and
we're
looking
at
them
separately,
for
this
report
asked
the
engineer
to
look
at
the
entire
complex,
because
there
could
be
savings
and,
as
you
see,
they
were
able
to
design
it
with
just
two
vacuum
stations
versus.
If
we
did
one
area
we
would
have
three
vacuum
stations.
F
J
J
I
think
it
was
service
better
being
that
it
would
be
significantly
less
cost
per
house,
because
there's
existing
pump
station
to
do
that
first
and
then
we
can
make
an
argument
to
the
state
to
help
fund
this
as
part
two,
because
from
the
standpoint,
if
we're
talking
environmental,
protecting
the
bay
riverside
drive
is
equally
as
damaging
in
terms
of
nutrients,
but
I
just
think
that
as
much
it's
a
much
easier
bite
for
them
to
be
able
to
absorb
a
few
thousand
dollars
per
house,
as
opposed
to
like
twenty
thousand
dollars
per
house.
B
There's
far
less
properties
involved
in
the
riverside
drive
project
than
there
are
in
this
project
with
all
three
phases,
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
very
critical
location
for
us
to
be
addressing
first
and
foremost,
and
I
thought
we'd
already
voted
on-
that
yeah
yeah
yeah.
D
Nancy
question
I'd
like
from
greg
to
speak
to
the
fact
that,
as
we
go
through
this-
and
we
are,
as
as
a
body
really
being
very
diligent
about
how
we
go
about
this
and
making
the
best
decisions
possible
that
we
heretofore
have
gone
to
the
county
and
the
county
has
had
the
final
say
on
on
what
we
do
and
in
the
assessment
it
seems
to
me
like,
if
we're
being
held
accountable
for
this
utility
service
area,
that
we
should
be
able
to
make
these
decisions
and
and
approve
the
assessment
without
the
county
and
I'd
like
you
to
comment
on
that,
because
I
I
feel
like
going
forward.
D
It's
not
that
I
don't
respect
the
county,
but
I
feel
like
I
know
what
happened
before
back
in.
I
want
to
say
it
was
2014
when
san
sebastian
wanted
voted.
The
homeowners
associate
association
voted
to
convert
from
septic
to
sewer,
and
but
there
was
a
small
contingent
of
their
homeowners
association
that
did
not
approve
it,
and
so,
when
it
got
to
the
county,
the
county
commissioners
listened
to
the
people
who
didn't
want
it
and
turned
it
down,
and
it
never
proceeded
so
that
today
they're
still
on
septic
and
we
had
approved
it.
D
But
you
know:
court
court
david
had
said
to
us
as
a
as
a
city
council
that
our
decision,
our
vote
was
really.
Can
we
do
the
work
not
are
we
approving
to
get
it
done
and,
and
so,
but
the
county
commission
voted
not
to
go
forward
and
do
the
assessment
or
anything
and
they
wanted
to
pay
for
it
themselves.
D
A
As
far
as
the
assessment,
of
course,
we
have
no
authority
to
do
property
assessments
in
charlotte
park
or
in
the
county,
but
as
part
of
our
utility
system.
When
it
comes
to
the
assessment
itself,
we
have
been
doing
some
research
for
that
very
reason
that
you
brought
up,
and
it
appears
that
if
there
is
a
benefit
to
our
utility,
that
we
can
demonstrate
that
there
is
an
allowance
that
we
could
determine
the
amount
of
assessment
that
we
wanted
to
see
on
a
tax
bill
and
we
could
levy
that
assessment
ourselves.
A
So
the
assessment
itself,
if
we
determined
that
there
was
a
five
thousand
dollar
assessment,
was
appropriate
and
we
got
funding
for
the
remaining
calls,
etc.
It
does
appear
that
from
what
we're
researching
now
that
we
have
a
mechanism
to
do
that
outside
of
the
county.
Now,
as
far
as
the
process
to
have
an
area
approved
being
put
on
public
sewer,
as
opposed
to
remaining
on
private
systems,
that's
a
different
story
and
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
that
process
is.
A
I
don't
know
if
david
off
top
of
his
head
knows
what
that
is
or
not,
or
if
that's
just
still
within
the
city
and
our
utility
service
area
and
whatever
process
it
takes
to
allow
a
section
of
un
served
property
to
come
in,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
that
process
is,
but
if
indeed
we
are
at
the
point
where
we
can
serve
them
and
it's
a
matter
of
funding,
then
we
have
a
big
chunk
of
funding
that
we
need
to
do
this
and
as
far
as
an
assessment,
there
is
a
potential
that
we
could
levy
an
assessment
at
some
level
that
you
deemed
appropriate
to
help
make
that
happen.
A
Now,
if
you
do
an
assessment
of
course,
you
have
to
cash
flow
everything
up
front,
so
you're
still
looking
at
money.
So
if
you
you
know,
even
if
you
do
a
10
million
dollar
assessment,
you
have
to
come
up
with
that
10
million
and
then
cash
flow.
It
you
know,
if
you're
doing
phase
one
then
phase
two
comes
along,
there's
still
cash
flowing
phase,
one
and
phase
three
comes
along,
so
there's
a
lot
of
analysis
that
needs
done
to
really
be
able
to
make
this
whole
project
feasible.
B
A
If
you
did
20
000
even
over
a
20-year
period
with
the
cost
of
money,
you're
looking
at
a
thousand
dollars
a
year,
100
bucks
a
month,
you
know
for
20
years.
Just
that's
a
lot
of
money.
D
D
However,
this
is,
and
we've
done
all
of
our
homework
for
us
to
then
go
to
the
county
to
then
get
the
county
to
weigh
on
it.
It's
like
adding
another
layer
of
of
like
well,
we
don't
like
this
or
we
don't
like
that,
and
it's
like,
and
it's
not
that
I
don't
respect
the
county.
It's.
This
is
the
puna
gorda
utilities,
service
area
that
we're
responsible
for,
and
so
it's
really
kind
of
putting
a
seems
to
me
like
as
a
utility
service
area.
A
Why
we
were
actually
looking
at
whether
or
not
we
were
able
to
provide
an
assessment
now
how
we
get
to
that
point?
I
don't
know
that
if
it's
our
utility
area
and
the
county
doesn't
have
any
role
in
providing
an
assessment
on
the
tax
bill,
if
they
have
to
approve
it
in
some
manner
or
not,
do
you
know
that
david
well.
K
That
may
be
beyond
the
scope
of
our
utility
to
mandate
a
connection
that
doesn't
directly
benefit
the
utility
per
se,
but
more
directly
benefits
the
environment
and
I
think
that's
a
function
of
our
enabling
legislation
and
that
that
may
be
why
the
county
would
have
to
be
part
of
that
process.
Because
you
know
we're
talking
about
unincorporated
charlotte
county,
not
the
incorporated
provisions
or
locations
within
the
city
of
puente
gorda.
B
K
I'm
I
if
that
is
in
fact
what
the
courts
would
say.
Then
of
course
our
response
would
be
well,
then
we
shouldn't
have
to
ask
you
for
permission
to
get
them
on
board.
D
Well,
that's
that's
what
was
prompting
my
raising
the
question
it
not
because
it
is
if
and
I
get
that
the
environmental
aspect
of
this
and
and
that
the
you
know
there's
such
pressure
to
be
responsible,
be
responsible
in
this
area,
but
it's
almost
like.
We
have
one
arm
tied
behind
our
back
yeah,
and
so
it's
really
a
very
difficult
for
us
to
do.
K
More
than
likely,
if
we
were
to
mandate
a
sewer
to
a
septic
to
sewer
connection
in
those
unincorporated
areas,
it
wouldn't
be
the
county
that
would
be
suing
us.
It
would
be
the
residents
that
would
be
opposing
our
authority
and
at
the
moment,
I'm
not
convinced
that
that,
under
our
utility
service
authority,
that
we
can
make
mandate
that
I
I
just
I'm,
I'm
not
comfortable
in
giving
that
opinion.
Yet.
B
L
L
One
of
my
big
concerns
with
this,
and
it
was
my
concern
when
we
first
started
doing
this-
that
I
expressed
to
howard
is
number
one:
what
you're
saying
that
those
people
you
know
we're
going
to
have
a
riot
over
there?
The
second
thing
is
everybody
we
talk
to
when
we
talk
about
getting
money
from
the
state
for
this
project
or
for
any
of
our
water
projects.
They
always
want
us
to
be
shovel
ready
and
with
a
project
of
this
magnitude
in
order
to
be
shovel
ready,
we're
already
into
it
millions
and
millions
of
dollars.
L
A
A
At
this
point,
we've
spent
hundreds
of
thousands
on
the
engineering
reports
and
different
funds
to
get
to
the
point
where
you
know
when
you
look
at
this
decision
tree
on
the
recommended
next
steps,
you
know
on
the
left-hand
side,
it's
a
very
short
tree
on
the
right-hand
side
is
very
long.
So
you
know
if
we
do
not
have
some
supplemental
money
for
this.
A
Just
you
know,
even
talking
about
a
strict
assessment
is
almost
newt
because
it
would
be
so
high
and
of
course,
you
know
putting
it
on
the
customer
base
isn't
an
option
either
now
from
a
utility
perspective.
Of
course,
the
customers
would
pay
25
more
than
in
city
which
we're
you
know
that
net
amount,
which
is
good
for
helping,
keep
breaks
down
inside
if
we're
increasing
our
customer
base
and
from
an
environmental
perspective,
it's
very
easy
to
quantify
the
reduction
of
load
onto
the
estuary
and
the
receiving
waters
that
this
would
provide.
A
A
J
I
mean
there
I
mean
there's
some
existing
money
in
the
arpa
funding.
I
mean
that's
what
like
desoto
county
arcadia,
never
doing
in
this
regard,
but
I
think
if
our
intention
is
actually
to
do
septic
sewer
that
it
has
to
be
viable,
and
in
this
case
we
have
the
botanical
gardens
we
have,
we
already
have
who
we
want
to
do.
We
also
have
existing
infrastructure
that
will
make
it
very
easy.
J
I
just
don't
see
what
the
resistance
is
into
wanting
to
do
a
viable
project
where
the
homeowners
will
be
charged
so
far
less
is
actually
going
to
be
doable,
and
then
it
makes
the
case
that
we're
a
responsible
party
and
actually
doing
stuff
pursuer
in
this
regard,
we've
not
even
begun
to
even
engage
residents
of
charlotte
park.
So
this
is
like
laughable
because,
like
they
don't
exist,
yet
we're
just
trying
to
do
something
to
them,
and-
and
no
I
mean-
we've
not
even
begun.
J
J
This
has
to
be
grown
very
slowly,
and
this
is
one
reason
why
the
commissioners
would
say
go
ahead
and
if
you're
going
to
do
because
they're
not
going
to
take
that
political
heat
of
basically
forcing
this
kind
of
money
on
people
when
in
fact,
we
actually
have
already
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
money
on
riverside
drive
to
already
create
the
foundation.
For
doing
this,
I
I
don't
I
mean
if
we're
actually
serious
about
septa
sewer
and
helping
the
harbor.
We
we
have
an
existing
situation,
which
makes
this
very
easy
to
begin
doing.
Right
now,.
D
Nancy,
I
think
I've
had
a
conversation
with
some
residents
in
charlotte
park
who,
when
I
first
had
conversation
with
them
years
ago,
it
was
you
know
there
was
no
appetite
for
conversion,
but
you
know
many
years
later
now
it's
in
the
conversations
with
those
I've
spoken
to
there
is
a
a
reality
that
they're
going
to
need
to
convert
and
that
day
is
coming,
and
I
have
said
to
them.
The
day
is
coming.
D
I
don't
know
when
it
is,
but
it's
coming
and
you're
going
to
need
to
convert,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
the
city
coming
to
you.
It's
going
to
be,
it
could
could
be
the
florida
department
of
environmental
protection,
that's
coming
in
and
say
the
day
is
here
and
and
so
and
there's
an
acknowledgement.
There
has
been
an
acknowledgement
from
some.
I
have
not
spoken
to
everybody,
but
from
those
I
have
spoken
to
there
is
seems
to
be
an
acknowledgement
that
that
is.
D
What's
called
now
natural
resources,
public
utilities
and
something
else,
committee,
water
quality
was
huge
and
trying
to
oppress
the
state
for
them,
providing
more
funding
for
improving
water
quality.
And
so
I
don't
know
to
what
extent
our
legislative
team
is
going
to
be
able
to
provide
such
significant
amounts
of
money
yeah,
because
it's
we're
talking.
B
A
And
I
mean
arguably,
if
indeed
someone
said,
here's
50
million
dollars
and
you
put
the
whole
system
in
you
know
once
it's
in
then
the
benefit
to
the
property
enter
is
substantial
because
I've
seen
a
lot
of
these
areas,
especially
in
sensitive
locations
that
are
on
water
and
not
sewer
and
they'll
start
failing
one
by
one
and
then
when
there's
property
transfers,
the
septic
system
doesn't
pass
and
they
can't
transfer
their
property,
and
it
just
gets
worse
until
the
whole
community,
like
you
said,
comes
to
a
realization
that
at
some
point
this
is
going
to
be
necessary,
and
but
you
know
once
it
is
in
then,
of
course,
where
they
had
your
septic
system,
they
can
build
a
garage
or
they
can
put
that
swimming
pool.
A
They
didn't
have
and
then
they'll
say
well.
Taxes
are
going
to
go
up
because
our
property
values
go
up,
which
you
know
is
also
their
property.
Values
will
go
up.
But
getting
to
that
point
is
that
whole
decision
tree
that
and,
like
you
said
it's
a
very
big
ask
to
get
the
dollars
in
place
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
start
this
process.
C
A
C
B
B
But
you
know,
that's
that's
a
concern,
that's
a
very
big
concern
and
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
mass
exodus,
if
we
don't
do
proper
public
awareness
about
it,
and
so,
let's,
let's
work
on
the
funding
part
of
it
legislatively
speaking.
B
I
think
we
need
to
be
more
in
a
position
of
talking
with
our
legislators
at
this
point,
rather
than
asking
them
for
money,
because
even
though
we
have
an
open
ear
with
senator
albritton's
office
with
his
water
quality
committee,
that
he's
share
of,
I
think
we
need
to
be
in
a
position
where
we're
ready
to
move
forward
on
the
project
before
we
actually
ask
for
the
funds
from
them.
Because,
like
you
know,
just
like
the
boca
grand
project,
we
got
a
million
dollars
which
we
won't
get
until
this
coming
fiscal
year.
B
So
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
the
money
ready
to
be
spent
when
we
do
ask
for
it
and
and
or
receive
it.
So
I
think
we're
a
few
years
away
from
all
of
that.
So
I
think
we
we
do
move
forward.
I
think
I
agree
with
you
on
that.
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
have
more
of
a
financial
plan
in
place
before
we
do
anything
further
on
it,
which
ties.
B
A
The
legislative
initiatives
actually
we've
just
for
discussion
added
a
few
categories.
A
A
What
would
be
required
to
improve
the
service
we
can
provide
for
the
veterans
that
are
supported
by
our
crisis
assistance
team.
Obviously,
when
there's
an
issue
in
the
city,
we
get
the
call
and
when
our
team
responds,
which
are
all
veterans
themselves,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
they
like
to
be
able
to
provide
as
far
as
resources
that
could
help.
So
that's
something
that
when
we
look
at
public
safety
initiatives,
typically
there's
some
money
for
public
safety.
A
A
If
we
could
get
the
money
that
helps
us
to
do
that
on
this
end,
and
it
facilitates
some
of
the
development
and
even
potentially
some
of
our
annexation
initiatives,
if
we're
looking
at
the
periphery
of
our
our
infrastructure
systems,
that
we
could
extend
say
that
we
have
properties
that,
if
they
would
annex
into
the
city,
are
basically
development
ready
that
could
help
facilitate
those
goals.
So
that's
just
another
category
that
could
be
discussed.
Water
quality
excuse
me
obviously
septic
to
sewer.
A
If
someone
wants
to
at
least
mention
that
we
have
this
on
our
radar
and
it's
going
to
take
some
money,
we
could
always
add
that
into
our
narrative
riverside
drive
the
force
main
there.
Of
course
we
put
money
into
that
so
that
we
can
upsize
that
for
our
portion,
but
we
took
that
from
another
project.
So
if
we
could
recover
that
money,
that
would
help
us
put
that
back
in
the
other
large
water
line
project
to
make
that
happen,
that
you
can
also
quantify
specifically
as
an
environmental
improvement,
because
there
are
several
point
source
discharges.
A
So
you
know,
septic
systems
are
non-point
source.
They
go
into
the
ground
and
they
make
their
way
to
wherever
they
make
their
way.
But
if
you
have
some
of
the
trailer
parks
or
different
things
that
are
out
there
now
and
they
already
have
a
common
system
that
goes
to
a
location
and
that's
their
little
treatment
plant
depending
on
how
they
treat
it,
and
then
it
discharges
into
the
estuary
a
receiving
stream
peace
river
wherever
it
goes.
A
That's
a
point
source
discharge
and
the
state
has
now
discussed
regulations
that
says
they're
going
to
eliminate
point
source
discharges.
We
were
just
talking
about
that
in
the
hallway,
with
the
water
management
district.
So
if
you
have
a
point
source
discharge,
you
may
very
well
have
to
drill
a
deep
well
and
go
to
deep,
well
injection
instead,
fortunately
for
us,
we
already
do
deep
well
injection
at
our
wastewater
treatment
facility.
A
So
that's
one
of
the
things
we
have
a
benefit,
so
it
becomes
much
more
lucrative
for
them
to
now
connect
to
those
force,
main
systems
that
we
will
have
out
there
and
get
those
point
source
discharges
out
of
the
receiving
waters,
because
they're
going
to
be
required
to
do
it
by
the
state.
So
we
know
that
this
is
almost
a
septic
to
sewer
type
initiative,
because
it
is
a
nutrient
reduction
initiative
for
a
receiving
stream.
So
we
can
also
ask
for
money
for
that
type
thing.
A
We're
already
building
that
and
of
course
there
has
been
some
question
along
the
way
with
that
about
individual
homes,
et
cetera.
That
would
be
tying
into
that
and
that
force
main
is
not
the
mechanism
for
individual
homes
to
tie
into.
We
would
be
running
another
system
that
ties
into
that
or
the
pumping
station
to
to
make
that
happen
also,
so
we
can
always
ask
for
septic
to
sewer
that
area
out
there.
A
That's
providing
unsewered
or
public
sewered
areas
into
a
public
treatment
facility
is
also
a
good
initiative
to
reduce
nutrient
loadings
any
of
those
tie
in
with
water
quality
and
then,
of
course,
anything
else
that
you
may
think
is
pertinent,
or
I
think
is
not
pertinent
to
discuss.
This
is
only
just
to
bring
it
up
for
discussion.
The
next
meeting
we'd
like
to
finalize
the
initiatives
and
then
we'll
take
those
and
we'll
finalize
that
by
the
following
friday,
so
we
can
submit
something,
and
then
we
have
our
delegation
meeting
on
the
tents.
B
B
I
think
it
should
be
a
succinct
list
and
not
a
lot
of
things,
because
I
think
it
might
congest
the
whole
request
process
and
I
think
if
we
keep
it
to
three
and
three,
maybe
four
items
maximum.
I
think
we're
more
apt
to
get
their
attention
than
if
we
give
them
a
whole
wish
list
of
projects.
We
have
that
we'd
like
to
see
funded.
That's
just
my
personal
feeling.
J
I
think
this
year
it's
an
exception
because
of
the
fact
that
we're
50,
000
people
or
less
city
any
arbor
money
we
have
has
to
come
through
them.
So
in
this
case
I
think
we
should
put
our
additional
things.
Let's
see
if
it
was
a
different
year.
I
would
definitely
agree
with
that,
but
in
this
case
we
won't
get
it.
If
we
don't
ask
for
it
right
now,.
A
So
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
county
and
some
of
their
septic
to
sewer
initiatives,
they're
doing
currently
they're
using
a
lot
of
that
money,
that
they
got
a
much
bigger
piece
of
that
that
they
can
use
for
those
initiatives.
We
don't
have
that
and
we've
got
2.4
total
that
you'll
be
discussing
at
a
future
meeting
where
you
would
like
to
see
that
go
also
and.
D
D
If
fdot
decided,
there's
too
much
traffic
turning
right
onto
olympia
from
41
northbound,
so
let's
divert
all
the
traffic
down
east
virginia
over
to
cooper
street
and
up
and
now
we
have
all
this
41
traffic
going
down
east
virginia
street
and
and
they
don't
care,
they
do
not
care.
And
so
it's
the
same
thing
with
baynard.
It's
it's
the
same
thing
with
tripoli.
They
do
not
care,
and
so
it's.
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
get
their
attention?
D
And-
and
I
don't
know
that
this
is
the
avenue
but
certainly
fdot-
using
side
streets,
whether
it's
in
the
county
side
street,
which
it
is
or
a
city
side
street
it's
like
that
is
a
travesty.
That's
their
design.
Teams
are,
and
I
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
take
to
to
get
their
attention.
A
B
B
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
have
that
rapport
with
them
anyway,
and
it
might
be
a
starting
point
if
we
could
establish
a
time
I'll
make
myself
available
whenever
it
is
and
if
I
have
to
move
meetings
around
I'll,
do
that,
but
but
I
think
that's
a
way
to
start
and
and
get
their
attention
that
we're
having
a
real
problem
here.
B
I
was
very
upset
with
fdot
on
monday
at
the
mpl
meeting
I
really
was-
and
I
I
kind
of
went
because
I
get
a
little
passionate
about
it,
because
I
you
know
I
I'm
the
one
that's
been
receiving.
You
guys
have
gotten
copied
on
all
the
emails
that
I
received.
It's
been
ridiculous.
How
many
people
have
commented
about
that
location
and-
and
I
don't
remember
other
than
pickleball-
I
don't
remember
a
time
when
we
got
that
many
emails,
it's
a
duplication.
B
B
It
is
a
valid
point
and
you
know
I
think
I
think
I'm
not
done
complaining
about
it
and
they're,
probably
really
sick
of
me.
I
just
got
an
email
yesterday
from
zachary,
who
is
the
project
manager
for
that
project
and
he's
looking
into
the
reasons
why
they
allegedly
cannot
put
a
traffic
signal
there
rather
than.
D
D
It's
only
signalizing
that
the
northbound
traffic
that
would
get
signalized
is
turning
left
off
of
41,
which
it
would
be
the
just
signalizing
the
southbound
traffic
and
and
it
would
and
that
the
different
parkway
solution
that
they
have
is
so
nice,
and
it's
so
perfect
for
this,
but
they
and-
and
I
think,
was
that
you
had
said
they
acted
like
they
didn't
know
where
this
was
yes
and
it's
like
and
they're
the
ones
who
created
it.
B
Yep
yeah
I've
gotten
that
comment
several
times.
Well,
I'm
not
familiar
with
that
intersection.
Okay!
Well
anyway,
so
that's
a
different
discussion
for
another
day
yeah!
So,
okay,
does
everybody
concur
with
the
proposed
list
of
initiatives
for
the
legislative
agenda.
A
D
B
A
B
I
think
we're
still
in
the
discussion
phase.
Personally,
I
don't
know
how
everybody
else
feels,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
too
soon
to
be
asking
for
money
for
it
until
we
know
exactly
what
we're
dealing
with
here.
J
B
D
L
B
B
We
also
have
a
new
council
being
seated
in
two
weeks
and
they
may
have
a
different
opinion
about
what
needs
to
be
done
so
respectfully.
I
have
to
take
that
into
consideration.
You
know-
and
I
think
that's
important
as
well,
but
I
think
money
is
there.
I
think.
L
C
B
B
A
And
I
guess
I
could
lead
this
off
somewhat,
also
just
to
say
it's
been
a
pleasure
taking
this
first
year
to
really
get
to
know
the
city
of
punta
gorda
much
better
and
some
of
the
nuances
of
where
we
are
and
where
we
needed
to
be
and
the
input
that
the
council
was
provided.
That
helped
me
do
that
has
been
invaluable
and
will
continue
to
be
so.
A
C
C
C
So
the
scores
are
pretty
good.
Any
comments
that
you
guys
would
like
to
make.
B
I
I've
lived
here
going
on
25
years
and
I
honestly
don't
know
anybody
who
knows
more
about
the
city
than
greg
does
and
he's
only
lived
here
a
little
more
than
a
year.
He
never
ceases
to
amaze
me
with
his
product
knowledge
and
he's.
He
lives,
eats
breathes
and
sleeps
city
of
punta
gorda,
24,
7
365.,
and
it's
just
it
just
amazes
me,
and
even
my
husband,
who
is
a
naysayer
about
a
lot
of
things.
You
all
know
my
husband.
B
B
I
don't
know
where
you
could
have
found
a
better
city
manager,
but
honestly
thank
you
for
everything
that
you
have
done
for
the
city
so
far,
and
I
look
forward
to
many
more
years
with
you
at
the
helm,
and
it
certainly
gives
me
a
good
feeling
of
confidence
that
when
we
close
the
doors
of
business
every
day
that
business
hasn't
stopped
operating
that
you're
continuing
to
do
the
job
all
the
time
every
day.
And
we
appreciate
that
very
much.
A
D
Nancy,
I
know
that
we
have
been
very
blessed
to
had
someone
of
the
caliber
of
greg
apply
to
come
here
that
brought
with
him
the
the
background
extensive
background
that
he
did
from
working
in
within
county
government
and
with
many
municipalities,
and
that's
been
a
tremendous
advantage
to
us
as
well,
because
it
at
the
the
county
level
you
you
had
responsibility
for
so
many
different
areas.
D
That
has
helped
you
kind
of
hit
the
ground
running
here,
and
I
know
that
how
much
fear
and
intrepidation
there
was
on
the
part
of
city
staff
as
to
what
is
gonna
who's
gonna
come
behind
howard
because
howard
had
been
here
15
years
and
they
had
a
tremendous
relationship
with
howard
and
he
had
built
this
empowerment
and
and
really.
I
think
that
it
was
like
a
a
pretty
well
functioning
team
and
did.
D
And
so
it's
like
you
know
the
staff
and
rightly
so,
nervous
about
who
is
this
person?
Who
are
we
gonna
hire?
What
kind
of
a
culture
is
this
person
going
to
bring
and,
and
so
we
were
very
specific
about
the
culture
we
were
looking
for
and
the
kind
of
person
and
whatever
and
greg
brought
that,
and
I
think
and
then
some
and
with
a
great
sense
of
humor.
D
My
perception
is
that
staff
is
tremendously
appreciative
of
having
greg
at
the
helm
and
that
it's
it's
continued,
that
momentum
and
allowed,
and
it's
really
when
you
bring
in
a
you,
have
a
high
performing
team
and
you
bring
in
a
new
person,
especially
in
a
leadership.
D
You
would
expect
that
team
to
kind
of
take
a
step
back,
but
this
team
didn't
take
a
step
back.
The
ball
kept
rolling
and
maybe
even
picked
up
some
momentum
so
greg
that
just
speaks
volumes
to
your
leadership
and
and
what
you
have
been
able
to
contribute
in
coming
here.
So
it's
it's
been
a
privilege.
I
I
think
what
you
both
have
said
so
far
says
it
very
well,
and
I
could
certainly
certainly
can
do
want
to
repeat
exactly
the
same
thing.
I
think
the
what
you
see
coming
out
of
it
all,
though,
is
that
actually
the
staff
is
has
blossomed
too.
Yes,
they've
gone
beyond
what
they
have
done
before,
and
that
shows
to
great
leadership.
C
I
C
L
L
I
mean
there
have
been
things
that
we
that
some
of
us
have
been
complaining
about
for
a
long
time
like
the
paint
peeling
and
the
parking
garage
and
gosh
we've
got
a
beautiful
parking
garage
ceiling
now,
but
it
just
seems
like
greg,
took
things
that
one
step
further
from
the
wish
list
to
the
accomplishment,
and
that
is
just
phenomenal
and
believe
me,
people
see
this.
I
hear
all
the
time
from
our
constituents,
you
know
they
they
feel
like
there's
a
much
more
can
do
attitude
when
they
talk
to
staff.
L
I
I
deal
with
a
lot
of
people
who
deal
with
staff
because
of
the
nonprofits
that
I
serve
with,
and
they
all
tell
me
that
there's
no,
oh!
Well,
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
that
or
not
it's
a
let's
see
how
we
can
get
that
done
and
that
I
think
is
telling
and
that
that
carries
out
into
the
community
that
infects
everybody.
J
A
C
Typically,
the
city
does
it
on
anniversary
date,
which
would
be
his
higher
date.
So
if
you
choose
to
start
it
on
8
24
it'll
be
8
24
every
year.
If
you
want
to
do
it
on
10
1
it'll
be
10
1
every
year.
B
D
E
L
I
would
be
in
favor
of
doing
that.
Yes,
I
think
we
we
we
start
the
raise
october
24th
and
from
here
on
out
it'll
be
october.
1St
august
24th,
I
mean
august
yeah
what'd,
I
say
october.
Okay,
you
understand
yes,.
B
E
Okay,
starting
with
the
vacancies,
I'm
just
going
to
run
through
this
list,
real
quick
board
of
zoning
appeals.
We
have
two
regular
and
two
alternates
code
enforcement
board.
We
have
two
alternates
firefighters
pension
board.
We
have
one
historic
preservation:
advisory
board.
We
have
two
planning
commission.
We
have
one
puna
gorda
isles
canal
advisory
committee.
We
have
one
under
nominations,
then
we
have
one
eligible
applicant.
That
was
mr
sherman
johnson,
who
introduced
himself
to
you
this
morning.
If
you'd
like
to
nominate
and
appoint
him
to
the
planning
commission,
you
may
do
so
by
motion.
B
E
A
Actually,
I
think
we're
talked
out
for
the
day,
except
that
I
would
like
to
again
thank
councilman
miller
and
councilwoman
or
persons
for
the
service
they've
provided,
and
certainly
it's
helped.
My
first
year
be
productive
with
the
history
that
we've
known
here
and
the
detail.
That's
provided
every
time
we
have
agenda
briefings.
I
learn
more.
So
thank
you
for
your
service
and
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
new
council
persons
and
for,
of
course,
the
whole
council
on
what
we've
been
able
to
accomplish
in
the
past
year
and
best
wishes.
A
E
Move
on
can
I
can.
I
just
clarify
that
council
members,
miller
and
prafkey
will
be
here
for
the
november
3rd
meeting
and
they
will
be
seated
at
the
diocese
until
the
new
members
are
sworn
in
and
we'll
have
a
little
presentation.
Then,
okay,
thank
you.
K
In
order
to
be
constitutional,
the
u.s
supreme
court
said
that
the
ordinances
relating
to
signs
needed
to
be
content
neutral,
and
so
the
code
that
you
adopted,
with
obviously
with
debate
as
we
as
you
went
through
the
process,
makes
it
much
greater
opportunity
for
speech
to
be
presented
on
the
signs
that
are
within
the
city
of
punta
corda,
particularly,
for
example,
with
respect
to
political
science,
and
so,
rather
than
repeal
the
ordinance,
as
was
suggested
earlier
this
morning.
K
The
ordinance
that
you
adopted
greatly
expands
the
rights
of
free
speech
within
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
and
I
think
you
should
be
commended
for
that.
So,
thank
you.
That's
all
I
have.
B
K
Well,
all
right,
so
the
the
immediate
answer
to
your
question
is
no
the
the
disruptions
that
you
may
be
referring
to
from
what
I've
heard
during
our
staff.
Meetings,
for
example,
are
more
in
the
nature
of
verbal
disruptions,
not
necessarily
with
respect
to
the
signs
that
violated
our
sign
code.
K
There
aren't
any
new
violations
of
the
sign
code
and
that's
now
in
the
court,
with
respect
to
their
challenge
that
our
ordinance
is
unconstitutional.
You
will
ultimately
get
a
decision
by
the
court
with
respect
to
that.
A
motion
to
stay
of
enforcement,
again
to
me
against
those
two
individuals
was
present,
will
be
presented
to
the
code
enforcement
board
at
the
next
code
enforcement
board
meeting.
K
In
view
of
the
fact
that
it's
now
really
in
the
courts,
I
recommend
we'll
be
recommending
to
the
code
enforcement
board
to
to
grant
the
stay
as
it
relates
to
those
existing
violations
and
there's
two
new
violations
that
were
made
prior
to
the
notice
of
appeal
being
filed
which
were
going
to
continue
until
after
a
decision
is
rendered
by
the
courts.
That
saves
the
city
additional
legal
fees.
And
what
have
you?
Certainly?
K
K
I've
talked
briefly
to
the
to
the
police
department
about
the
opportunity
to
deal
with
disruptions:
public
public
disturbances,
for
example,
which
which
are
unrelated
to
the
sign
code,
and
so,
if
there's
a
need
to
be
more
aggressive
with
respect
to
the
enforcement
of
public
disturb
disturbing
the
peace
that
can
still
be
done
and
again,
that's
not
related
to
the
sign
code.
That's
related
to
verbal
expression,
which
our
ordinance
does
not
address.
B
I
understand
that
police
would
have
to
be
called
and
they
have
to
witness
it
firsthand
before
they
can
do
anything
about
it.
That's
one
instance:
we
had
the
instance
at
the
school
where
the
signage
was
outside
the
school
entrance,
and
we
also
had
one
over
the
weekend
for
an
hour
on
one
side
of
the
bridge,
an
hour
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge
with
a
fetus
picture,
and
I
I'm
sorry,
I
just
think
that
we're
breaching
the
acceptability
threshold.
K
I've
simply
advised
the
city
council
that,
with
respect
to
obscenity,
as
we've
defined
it,
which
is
based
on
case
law,
fighting
words
as
we've
defined
it
as
based
on
case
law
and
indecent
speech,
as
we've
defined
it.
Those
are
the
areas
that
I
think
we
are
comfortable
in
regulating
because
the
courts
have
said
those
three
categories,
although
it
may
be
content-based,
are
clearly
not
protected
by
first
amendment
rights.
A
Okay,
now
there
may
be
one
of
the
things
we
were
talking
about
is
regardless
of
what's
being
said,
if
someone's
on
a
bullhorn,
that's
turned
up
say
that
six
blocks
away.
It's
waking,
people
up
and
I'm
being
very
facetious,
but
you
know
does
that
disturb
the
peace
in
some
manner,
regardless
of,
what's
being
said,
aside
from
the
discussion
of
you
know
the
content
of,
what's
being
said,
is
there
something
that's
too
loud
that
we
can
try
to
prevent
if
that
occurs,
and
that's
a
whole
different
discussion?
I
believe
than
this.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
under
council
member
comments.
I
have
a
few
things
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
the
homecoming
parade
is
next
thursday,
the
28th
at
6
p.m.
It's
a
it's
a
step
off
this
year,
they're
going
from
the
school
to
downtown,
which
is
reverse
of
what
it
normally
is
so
we'll
be
meeting
over
at
the
cpac
parking
lot
and
the
kickoff
is
6
p.m,
and
fire
chief
briggs
is
bringing
his
antique
fire
truck
and
then
we'll
have
the
veterans
parade
on
november
6
at
10
a.m.
B
B
We
will
have
different
eras
of
time
being
represented
in
the
displays
that
that
they're
making
and
we
have
classic
cars
from
each
of
those
eras
being
brought
in
from
local
car
club
people
that
are
helping
out
with
the
project.
So
I
hope
you
guys
can
participate
and
we're
still
looking
for
candy
donations
from
anybody
who's
willing
to
donate
candy
for
the
cause.
We
have
a
lot
of
kids.
We
give
candy
to
that
night,
so
I
hope
you
can
all
do
that.
B
The
chamber
has
asked
me
to
announce
that
on
october
27th
from
3
to
6
p.m,
they
are
having
another
job
fair
at
the
event
center
and
the
city
has
not
yet
signed
up
for
it.
They
were
in
it
the
last
time
and
I
guess
it
got
some
new
employees
out
of
it.
So
they
asked
me
to
mention
that
I've
already
mentioned
the
legislative
delegation
meeting
is
at
the
military
heritage
museum,
and
I
mentioned
earlier
that
at
the
mpl
meeting
we
discussed
possibility
lowering
the
speed
limit
on
nesbit.
B
That's
something
that
I
would
like
to
ask.
We
put
on
a
future
council
agenda
to
talk
about
further.
I
also
wanted
to
just
give
you
an
another
update
from
the
npo
board
meeting
and
that
is
that
burnt
store
road.
The
widening
of
burnt
store
road
in
phase
two,
which
is
from
notre
dame
to
north
of
zemel
road,
is
scheduled
for
completion
by
november
22nd
that
just
came
out
this
week.
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
with
everybody
and
one,
since
the
legislative
delegation
is
getting
ready
to
go
into
session
fairly
soon.
B
We
still
want
to
have
that
happen.
That's
an
mpo
initiative
that
I
want
to.
I
just
want
to
follow
through
with
what
we
started
last
year,
so
I'll
be
doing
that
city
manager
and
I
are
having
a
meeting
tomorrow
morning
with
the
folks
from
the
meridian
assisted
living
project.
We've
had
a
couple
of
letters
from
residents
about
some
issues
going
on
with
the
construction
site,
so
we're
going
to
meet
with
them
to
see.
B
If
we
can
hash
those
out
they're
using
socorro
as
a
delivery,
site,
location
and
they're
not
supposed
to
be
doing
that,
so
that's
one
of
the
things
and
we're
talking
about
the
privacy
fence.
So
there's
that
and
then
finally,
fpl
has
gone
dark
on
us,
no
pun
intended,
but
they've
gone
dark
on
us
and
they're
not
responding
to
any
of
my
emails
or
greg's
emails.
So
it's
time
that
I
think
we
need
to.
B
Let
them
know
that
the
puc
is
going
to
be
brought
in
if
we
don't
start
getting
some
activity
happening,
because
there's
over
130
polls
that
are
double
poles
still
sitting
out
there
and
I'm
routinely
getting
emails
from
residents
complaining
about
them.
I
know
you
guys
were
getting
copied
on
a
lot
of
those,
so
I
think
I
think
it's
time
to
take
some
action
on
it.
I
have
to
say
comcast
comcast
did
a
180
and
they're
like
they
respond
to
every
email
I
send,
even
if
it's
just
to
acknowledge
they
got
the
email.
B
J
D
C
D
It's
been
a
great
eight
years
and
we'll
have
more
to
talk
about
next
in
two
weeks.
I
would
say
in
my
comments
exactly,
but
I
would
say:
go
for
it
with
the
public
utilities.
Commission.
D
I
really.
I
have
personal
experience
with
that,
as
I've
taught
said
before
it.
They
do
not
like
that.