City of Punta Gorda 2021 Development Review Committee, 26 Mar 2021

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Development Review Committee 3-26-2021

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It's already ready already before.

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Kobe, I just want to see you guys are great. We do a lot of events a year.

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I appreciate it.

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That's the caption you're here.

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I'm here, how are you, sir,.

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Good. Thank you.

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No terry is our event coordinator.

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Okay, she's over there.

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That would be for the harbor walk at the end.

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Did you hear from jen or anybody.

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Yeah she said she was coming okay. Yesterday, okay,.

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He's changed we're submitting off to.

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Vacation yeah visiting his grandson.

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I'm good for him couple weeks.

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He'll be back tuesday.

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Oh, I thought it said he was going to be gone longer than that: okay, okay, I was out of office, so.

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At least I don't think so,.

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Okay, we'll call the friday march 26 drc meeting to order. Our next schedule meeting will be april. 9Th citizen comments on agenda.

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Items: okay, we'll wait just a second! Our fire marshal is here.

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So I'll entertain a motion for approval of the minutes from the march 5th drc meeting.

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I'll make the motion captain please.

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Okay got a motion: is there a second? Second? Okay, we have a motion in a second to approve the minutes. All those in favor, aye, opposed motion carries first order. Business under new business event, permit 21, 162, 580, east east side, hometown reunion june 19th, 2021, mary street showalter, avenue east helen avenue, ida avenue harry.

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State your name for the record.

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uh Terry nichols event: coordinator, uh east side, home time, reunion june 19th 2021.

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uh They are proposing to close down part of mary street and.

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Showalter place um they want to block off mary street near cooper to east charlotte and showalter cooper to mary.

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150 expected in attendance, multiple tents and food proposed. They will not be serving alcohol and off-premise signs are not proposed. There are coveted protocols in place.

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Okay and what are our zoning comments.

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They will they are required, a tent permit through the fire department. Even organizer will need to work with david myers for the partial street closures. We have the certificate of insurance now naming punta gorda as an additional insured, and this will also need approval from city council, which is on the agenda for april 21st. Okay, very good.

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Buildings, nothing.

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Fire no issues, fire just need the tent per minute. We already stated a temperament required from the fire department, okay, police.

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um You're not required, can you come on for a second, please.

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Thank you and please state your name for the record.

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Shari uh you're not required to have an officer there, but you are requesting one.

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Okay um and the two names you listed on there, I have no idea who they are.

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Okay, well, that's fine.

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It'll just be, we have to do it randomly, um we put it in the program and it's a first come first serve basis for the officers. Okay, so and you want them there from 12 to seven.

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12 to six we're gonna, we're not gonna, go to se and we'll clean up. I didn't they don't have to be there that whole time, just somebody patrolling the area. You know.

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Okay, um most likely it would be on foot inside in the area, and um they will you just go up to them, introduce yourself and uh any issues you just ordered them directly. Okay, all right, no other comments. Okay,.

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Public works, no comments, utilities.

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Okay, any other comments from the board. The applicant.

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Have any comments.

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Okay, if not or from the audience, if not we'll, entertain a motion.

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We'll be moving this to city council for city council approval, rather.

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Than okay yeah so.

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Motion to move event, permit 21-162580 to city council for review and approval.

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Okay, we have a motion. Is there a second? Second, we have a motion and a second by linda esposito. Any discussion, if not all those in favor opposed motion carries so we'll be on the city council agenda. uh Terry will send you a letter, reminding you that it's on the april 21st city council agenda, okay, thank.

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Very good. Thank you. Ma'am next item is event. Permit two one: one: six: two: nine zero zero pentagorda spring arts craft show april 17th and 18th 2021 city marketplace. Terry.

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So they are proposing 10 a.m. To 5 p.m, uh is the actual event on the 17th and 18th the the setup is april 16th from 9 a.m. To 5pm and clean up on april 18th from 5pm to 7pm uh the this will be artist, showcasing artwork handmade items, 500 anticipated crowd, size, 70, tents proposed no food or alcohol or off-premise signs are proposed.

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uh Zoning requirement is a tent permit through the fire department. Okay,.

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Building, no has nothing.

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Fire temp permit is required from the fire department.

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For ten by tens.

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Yes, anything more than a single ten by ten does require a permit. Okay, okay, please.

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um Just confirming no alcohol, correct, correct, okay and that's one officer each day: that's 10-5. 10 a.m was.

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That requested by my office.

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It was requested, but an issue we had with your previous event was the numbers were not what they said. They were, and I had one officer there with over 2 000 people, so I'm going to require a officer at this one. Well,.

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Captain just to put the record straight, we.

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Had you need to state your name for.

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The record bill kenny event director there's this was an inaugural event. We had no idea what was going to show up. This is a simple craft show and it's a boutique show with that.

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Right this is not the seafood festival like they had last year last year before covid, that was a seafood and music festival. This is just an arts and crafts show.

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I would, and and during the event, if uh your officer on site your sergeant, I had made a request for additional staff, but we had no idea, I mean it's just like we had no idea what was going to happen. We didn't know that we were going to have that. Many people show up.

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We went and for the record we we went with the his his with the historical events that had already taken place, so we didn't know we were going to have the biggest event that punta gorda had ever seen. We didn't. We didn't know that.

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I would just like to reiterate that you know, given the the last year has been kind of strange for everybody for events and attendance and trying to figure out how many people are going to come in social distancing. It's a little difficult to tell I would. I would recommend that you move forward captain with assigning the detail.

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You decide that your attendance is low. You can work that out.

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Can I also bring to we've written the paragon, does about 55 events a year we're the biggest promoters in the state we've set up the manual the cove evanual that we've that we've supplied to various cities result we've also set up the national um covid plan, our plan, our covert plan incorporates reducing attendance by reducing advertising, so we're strictly uh geo-targeting our market. So we've already had five events that one of them um made the trades. We were on the cover of the trades, because we we controlled our market.

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So specifically, this isn't open really to the general public. We're targeting our market is specifically targeted so, but but.

C

I'm okay! If we can, if you you are aware that, like the arts and crafts festival that um sullivan craft fair or the one that they do at lashley park, um the visual arts center has well over 1500 people. There right.

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In attendance, this is a boutique show our numbers, we maxed our numbers out. It's 70 for attendance, we're actually starting with 30 to 35.

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You mean for vendors, for.

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Vendors, that's correct.

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Because you know the to move forward with an event we have to have success and by reducing the number of vendors, there's more money to go around and the blogs work out better for us and uh it's we're harvesting. Basically, but it's your call whatever you think. Obviously,.

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Right now, why don't we uh go with the officer each day? Okay and um I'll, give you my business card and we can stay in contact and I'll. Have uh one of my people? Do research see how how it looks like it's going to be attendance, and if we have to cancel it, we can cancel it.

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That's great, thank you.

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Nothing further.

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Okay, public works, no comments, utilities, no.

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Okay from the applicant.

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Nope, thank you.

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Okay, any other comments from the board audience I'll entertain a motion thanks.

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Motion to approve event permit 21-162900 contingent that applicant worked directly with pd to ensure that special detail is attained if needed. Second,.

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Okay, so we have a motion two seconds any further discussion, if not all those in favor.

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Opposed motion carries okay, thank.

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You thank you all have a good weekend. Okay,.

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Next order of business is outdoor dining, 0-1-2021, mint asian cuisine. This is a amendment to the original approved site plan. However, this picture was just taken and you uh that the tables are not set up the way the site plan was proposed. You are blocking the sidewalk. You cannot block the sidewalk in any manner that that situation is a violation of what you're even proposing to do so can, if you can state your name for the record.

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My name is stan yes, so uh what do you propose that I can do for.

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Terry, if you want to come in this, is the site plan that was proposed if.

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That was done there. I, um if we didn't.

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You need to you need to move the tables where there's a 48 inch, clear pathway between the building and the tables or the post and the tables. This is what was submitted in your application. Yes,.

J

I'm trying to make sure that they're all straight but make making sure that still they still have some room in the middle.

F

Okay, so we need to make sure that is, that is correct.

J

So can it be done like that or no um do I does it have to be in a zigzag way, so.

F

No you've got it in a zigzag way. That's not what we want. We want it. You need to have it more uniform, so there's a clear pedestrian pathway.

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Three and a half feet.

F

Well, it needs to be four feet that is not correct. Miss jen is it 42 inches.

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Or is it it's 48 inches for for the um accessibility, but it doesn't have to be on both sides of the table. It just has to be a 48 inch, clear path all the way through and so that, while the diagram, your diagram meets what you, what you can do with your tables, you just need to slide them out a little bit to create that 48 inch pathway. The picture that's on the screen does not meet the 48 inch clearance so that the picture where the table is at is bad.

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The diagram is okay, you just need to push out another half a foot.

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So right, uh right by right, right in between, like the post um so like is that is that going to be possible.

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Around there, yes.

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Either either side of the post, I don't know what the actual distances of the of the concrete or the red concrete or the brick there, but you need 48 inches of clearance all the way through the sidewalk, somehow without the tables being in the middle of it or zigzagged through the sidewalk.

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Okay, okay and the suggestion is not to put any tables between the post and olympia avenue because there's no no protection from the traffic. If somebody were to jump the curb at least behind the post, there is some sort of protection for your patrons with from a little bit of vehicular traffic, should they jump the curb? Yes.

J

Ma'am um um how about well, I would put it like the table like that. I mean.

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You might need to stay on.

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The red area yeah.

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Then um I can uh take a picture of it and then we can send it. uh We can send an email back to you guys, that's what might.

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And then yeah and.

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Then you let us know if that will work out. If that doesn't work out, um let us know again and we'll try to make sure that.

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Yeah, I would try to try to stay closer into the red area of the of the sidewalk there. The red painted concrete yeah try to try to stay into that as much as you can, with your tables and chairs. Okay, so.

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Okay say close that two.

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To the building as yes, yes, okay, yes, okay,.

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All right, yes, ma'am, okay,.

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Yeah building, I just want.

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To make sure we all are on the same page, so I'll do that and then take a picture of that and then um please let us know if it will work or not. Okay,.

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That building's finding the recommendations that were made.

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Okay, any other comments, fire, no other comments, fire. Please.

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No comments public.

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Okay, anything from the audience applicant.

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uh Yes, one more question of: do we uh do I get like a permit paper.

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Once you send us the new revised layout.

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Once this board approves it with those conditions, then kylie will send you the approved application once we get the new layout. Yes,.

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Okay, so I'll entertain a motion.

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Motion to approve od-012021 contingent that applicant provide a diagram or images draw pictures of the tables and chairs outside of the 48 inch required minimum width walkway. Yes,.

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Okay, we have a motion sensor. We have a motion in a second by ms posito. Any further discussion, if not all those in favor opposed motion carries.

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Next order of business, harbor walk phase, 2b 90 plans, so I'm sending around uh the sign off sheets. um There are it's um we're in receipt of the 90 plans. Comments will be forwarded to the engineer of record um building yeah.

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So I'd like to comment placed on the record that I think an accessible parking space should be provided down near the proposed boat expansion down by the boat basin.

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Not it's not a legal requirement because there aren't enough provided, but for disbursement. I believe one down by those floating docks might be a good idea. Okay,.

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Very good- and I believe you put those comments in the um shared review form as well.

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No, I forwarded an email to jonah beau.

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Okay: okay, very good! Thank you.

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Fire um fire has no issues, just uh just a comment that the attachment- and maybe it's my computer system or my internet access at the fire station. I had a terrible time trying to review this set of drawings, just zooming in and zooming out and clicking on the links and being able to add comments.

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I I did review the entire set but was unable to, and that might be technical error on my part as well, but I apologize my comments are not in, but I have no issues with the 90 plans at this time. Okay, thank you. Police.

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I we we have no issues and it wasn't. We were having issues too. I think with the uh you and I had to close out like about four or five times.

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Yeah I had to restart. We have.

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No um and I sent the email with no issues.

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Okay, very good public works.

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uh Engineering has provided comments to be incorporated to the eor. Please.

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Okay, thank you. Utilities.

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We also had a great deal of difficulty observing this in the adobe joint review.

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Pass that, along to staff.

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It's really not possible to even review that many pages on adobe joint review with the system because of the delay. It basically then freezes up.

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You can wait all day long right, even that's not an option, uh so we did print sheet five out, which appears to be the utility plan and we've issued a plan approval ladder to wireless engineers, so we're approving the project.

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Okay, do these today.

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Okay, very good. Thank you.

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I agree with everyone about the review process. um Is it possible to get the larger size prints and as a group or division review, those.

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I again I I will. I will pass the I will pass these on. I I don't I don't I'm not the the senior project manager, so I don't know, but I will pass that along to joan and julie.

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Yeah I did I did I couldn't do the electronic review uh accurately. So joan did provide me with a hard copy that I reviewed.

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I think it's a consensus.

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Yeah, I would too, I would come to wherever they're delivered to, if, if I needed to do a review um in someone else's office for the initial delivery of plans, because that was just that was days days- trying to review that.

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Electronically.

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Okay, I will pass those. I will pass those comments along so um and again these were, we don't have to make any motion or anything. These were for technical review and comment. We sent our green sheet around so we'll be moving forward with the comments to the engineer record, so any other comments on the harbor walk. Besides that, okay, there's no unfinished business. Any staff comments board committee comments, citizen comments, if not we're adjourned. Thank you. Thank you good meeting. Thank you everybody. I apologize.

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For my tardiness.

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This is our nightmare.

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We had some corrections.

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That was years and years and years ago, I didn't think they did.

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