City of Punta Gorda 2021 Development Review Committee, 22 Jan 2021

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Development Review Committee 01-22-2021

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I'm trying to get my clock regulated, you know I'm not used to working nights. We work two.

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Nights in a row.

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It's just whoever it's.

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What your comfort.

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Level is yeah it's if you're yeah, that's if you're more than six feet apart.

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In your own workspace, you're.

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Okay, I think we're in a communal workspace. So that's.

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The nights the busy streets.

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We hit those at night. Oh.

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You're not the only way to really it doesn't matter. If you don't want to wear.

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It randy it looks, you don't have to.

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Yeah yeah we're.

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Six, we are, if.

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You are done, you're, fine, you're, fine, you're, probably going to get it. It's just.

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We're getting back.

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During the breathing.

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As long as you're six feet player, I.

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Just want to let you know that I have some specific direction for my boss, so one officer, okay for the.

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uh Okay morning,.

C

Okay good morning, we'll call friday um january 22nd already drc meeting to order first order. Business is approval of the minutes. I'm sorry! Our next schedule meeting is friday february 12th citizen comments on agenda items um next, we'll entertain a motion. Approval of the minutes for the january, 8th.

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Motion to approve the minutes. Second,.

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We have a motion in a second and if we could state our name for uh leah on the motions in the seconds that way she can hear fire.

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Marshall motion to approve minutes.

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Linda esposito, second, okay,.

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We have a motion, a second any discussion, if not all those in favor aye opposed motion carries first order of business event, permit 20161 541 girls on the run, 5k may 22nd 2021 and also, I believe, it's december we've added uh december 11th.

C

We do have a representative here, um it's going to be at lashley park, 5 30 to 10 a.m, including set up and clean up no tensor food or alcohol off-premises sign proposed at one point: they were requesting one lane of west marion avenue. The route map has changed, they've been working with david myers regarding the maintenance of traffic.

C

One thing: we need to keep into consideration for most likely the december event, I'm not sure if it's going to affect the may event, but um lashley park, playground, interactive, fountain area could possibly be under construction. Okay, so there might have to be some tweaks in it for the second event, but I I just want to put that on record, not real sure what our schedule is yet.

C

So, if you want to state your name for the record, christine mcconnelly, okay, so we'll start building.

B

Building has nothing for this one.

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Fire no issues for fire. Please.

F

uh I spoke to dave myers. We will be I'm sorry, we'll be required to have one officer for the boat ramp. um There's a two hour minimum. I don't think they're gonna be running for two hours. Are they? I.

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Don't think so.

F

So when uh what time is the actual step off.

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um They start off at.

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Seven: seven, okay, so.

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The officer would need to be there at uh 6 45.

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And then are you going to have someone at the end of the run to um know that all your runners are yes, okay? Well, someone could just notify that officer that way I'll schedule him till um 9 30, because that's when the events go home but I'll.

F

Let him know that if you guys let him know that all the runners are back, he could leave and that way he won't get charged for anything over the two hours, because it should be done by that all right and is uh kim the one that we are sending the bill to or.

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Cut it to me, they'll get emailed yes, okay,.

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Thank you. No more. Okay utilities, no issues.

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Public works, no issues.

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And mr myers, do you have any kind we're.

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C

Okay, so any other comments from the board from the applicant from the audience, if not I'll, entertain,.

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A motion uh fire marshal makes motion to approve it. Permit 20-161-541.

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Public works second,.

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Okay, we have a motion in a second any discussion, if not all those in favor.

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Opposed motion carries. Thank you. Thank you.

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Next item of business is temporary, use, permit 01, 2021, 1000 west marion avenue, so um staff is in her receipt of a request from fisherman's village and the military heritage museum to utilize, the property at 1000 west marion avenue as informal overflow parking for approximately 18 months.

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No permanent improvements are proposed, no wheel stops or additional impervious areas proposed. The site could potentially provide an additional 146 spaces.

C

There's approximately terry. Could you go to the aerial please so there's approximately 345 linear feet between the entrance of military heritage, museum and the property on the west, marion avenue entrance and approximately 235 linear feet between the entrance on west reda and two fisherman's village across the tidal creek bridge fisherman village. Fisherman's village currently utilizes golf cart service along west reda, so staff.

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After doing some research looking at the storm water retention pond and the fencing around that we have some conditions of approval, this will go to city council. It is scheduled for the february third city council for final approval. Wheel stops will need to be installed along the side property where the fence abuts the storm water. Pond retro-reflective markers must be installed along the fence which abuts the stormwater pond.

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Additional fencing with retroreflective markers must be installed along the open area of the stormwater pond, which faces west red esplanade. No shell, gravel or rock is permitted to be placed on the site as a parking surface. So I know we have the applicant um here if she would like to state her name for the record and if any questions- and I can get you all these comments- miss patty before in writing- so you'll have those.

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Good morning, patty allen, fisherman's village and representative a thousand.

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West marion.

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Do you have any questions or concerns with the no.

G

I I'm here to answer your questions, and uh just so you know this is primarily going to be used for employee parking, because it is a little bit difficult for customers to navigate around.

G

We also have the use of the five-star parking which currently our employees are using now, so we will move some of them over into this area. Here.

C

Okay, that that's very that's good and it's understood, however, as you know, when people see people parking, if they can't go anywhere else, they're going to park wherever they can park, so our biggest concern is the safety. The fence along the storm water pond is black and would be tough to see for an evening which there's not a lot of evening. Events right now, I'm getting light, staying lighter longer and then the open space there's not a lot of a ditch area from rata onto the property, even though it has an ingress egress.

C

When people see people pulling in and parking right off the road. Our concern is somebody driving into the little storm water pond, not that it holds a lot of water a lot of time, but it still could be a hazard. So that's just a couple of the things we need to address. Moving forward.

G

So when you say re reflective, retro-reflective.

C

Where would they be well, you would be along certain sections of the fence. It could be attached to the fence like red, reflective, stripes, they're called retroreflective because it bounces the light off. It's what's used on street signs. Now, okay, I've been told: okay, like a tape of some sort of tape. Okay, more than likely yes, ma'am.

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Okay, there is also a power.

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Power stands: if you will that go in front of that retention pond and come all the way down here as well.

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So one of fire's questions was: are: aren't there some transformers on this property, some above ground.

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There are, there are poles, and so my thought would be pulp, putting the parking stops, because I just see that you want it for us to do that. That's what you're doing in.

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The air and just in the storm water area or on the outside of that storm water.

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You would put the stops in front of.

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Power poles so.

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Those that's what's out there. I've got pictures, um I didn't put them in this presentation, but in in the other presentation we've got pictures. They look like some sort of ballards, but I guess they're black power stations out there, they're.

G

They're not light they're, not lights and I'm not sure that they are all active. But um when we looked at this, what I would that was my concern as well. So we will make sure that the cars are parked with a parking stop in front of those enough that it wouldn't impede or knock them over, but I'm not even sure that they're all live.

C

Okay, then maybe some of the tape or the retro reflective.

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Material would be.

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Because they are in, but they would be in between the wheel, stops and the fence so that might that might help better.

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So to uh for your concern about that, we would be happy to put those in okay, very good.

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All right, thank you and, and that would just be a request for fire as well, if there's any above ground electrical equipment that it be protected with traffic bollards, um not just the wheel, stops that traffic bollards be placed around that equipment if it's visible or present on the property.

C

Okay, so we'll go building.

B

Good morning, randall cole, so patty it's not a closed lot. It's going to be open to the public.

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At this point, yes it my intent.

G

I guess my intent right now is to get the employees to park in this lot because it's easy for them. They know they're not going anywhere open up the five-star lot and now we're talking. This is a problem until april. So really it's a three-month problem that I have so then opening up the five-star lot. If I move the employees from the five-star lot over to this slot, then I have no employees parking in fisherman's.

G

Village lot are on our property and then the five-star lot would be open more accessible to the people, the general public. So that is my intent.

B

The five-star lot across the street- yes, sir, so.

G

And the public.

B

Parking is this: this is a 18-month request, the.

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Application says, is this.

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Parking going to be utilized by the museum.

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When the museum, currently, the museum has enough space to operate and has been on the property of the impact site, but when they open it up for when covid is finished and they open everything up, then yes, we would use that as well.

B

All right, we're gonna, need six additional handicapped spots straight, underneath your existing parking.

G

It impact six more.

B

It's one per 25 is the ratio and you're looking at a hundred or a fraction of, and here it says, 146 additional spaces.

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So that's a topic that is would be separate from from this here. So can I understand, isn't that separate from our request today.

B

No, not that this is a public lot on the property. You have to provide handicap parking at that ratio somewhere and you're, not with the surfacing you're being allowed here. It wouldn't be suitable.

C

Now these these are separate personal id numbers. Does that make a difference.

B

Not just open to the public.

C

Okay, I'm just understanding that restrictions.

B

On the surfacing right, then, we've got an issue there. So that's why I suggested you could re-stripe underneath those can revert back when you when you change it, but that's.

G

So I'm I'm just not prepared to know how many spots I have that are currently marked as handicapped.

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That I have currently there.

B

Right so I was I I just thought and it wasn't provided any information, so I'm assuming that what's there is, the ratio is correct for what's existing.

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B

So I'm just going by 146. one per 25, a fraction thereof, would be six additional spots need to be provided.

B

This parking is open to the public. The public will be traveling to the impact buildings. I would assume from there correct.

G

I'm sorry say that again.

B

Is this parking for your facilities.

G

The thousand this this lot here, yeah.

B

It's to service your facilities, yes,.

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We need to keep the handicap parking ratio in line with ada requirements. I.

C

Have a question randy terry scroll up just a little bit on that there you go. There is some existing impervious area parking um as it comes in.

C

If we allowed them to retrofit that and have those as six accessible parking spaces would that work because then they can't access the sidewalk. That is a sidewalk that connects.

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To the on the south end here, this is.

C

The paved country, those buildings- yes, no, not the buildings.

B

Sort of safest route.

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Okay, now up here.

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Is a qualifier.

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The the apron coming in off of.

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An apron coming off of marion.

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Is paved that is paved that was there when the condos were there before they were destroyed with hurricane charlie.

C

So I mean: could they I'm just asking I'm just throwing that out there because they're not adding? Let's.

B

Try to qualify, it is golf cart service going to be available at this site.

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By red, esplanade.

B

So if somebody parked here would they be able to get a ride to whatever facility they want to visit if they need help with access.

G

Yes, sir, we would we would perhaps, ideally this is really not um other than perhaps occasionally we would use it for a big event as overflow parking, but, yes, they would be able to answer your question and forgive me I I didn't understand that that was going to be a topic. Otherwise I would be better prepared to talk about it, but the reddit esplanade.

G

We would be able to pick up people if someone were to call- and we've got a very good system right now with anybody who's on our property. If they need a ride, maybe be from the military, museum or fisherman's village. We have cards, they call security and we can come there's this kind of little roadway and pull it back out terry and then we would be able to come and pick somebody up. Take them back through that way, because we're not allowed to go down.

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And then take them into the military museum.

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Would there be signage posted.

B

Yes, well, I would pursue.

B

So it doesn't meet the requirements, however, on a temporary basis, if those six slots were designated there, along with signage, indicating a contact number.

G

Okay, yep: I can do that for.

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B

Assistance is available whenever the events are taking place, then I suppose that's reasonable on a temporary use. If it extends further, a more permanent solution would need to be right. So.

G

My hope is that the 18 months is not is going to be another development in that area, which will we will come back obviously to everybody in a pd combining all the properties. If we can I and and again I apologize, I don't mean to not answer your questions, but I I just wasn't prepared for that and.

B

With that assumption going forward, you put a pull permit, so we can inspect it once it's restriked and the signage is installed and we'll approve the signage with the application of the permit. um Then billy wouldn't have anything any other issues at this time.

C

So patty your permit would just be to restripe that that already impervious paved area.

G

Yep, I can do that now. We're.

B

Gonna need how many spaces are there. I that I don't know.

G

We we cleared out, there was there's a big tree. That was, you probably couldn't see it here, that hit some parking and we took that tree and yeah trimmed it all up.

B

You're gonna have to create access aisles, so you're gonna lose a couple spots to access aisles because they.

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You need six with access housing you're familiar with that from what you've done over.

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Fisherman's village, so just a drawing like that really sufficient. Then.

G

Okay, I have to go and look to see what I.

B

Have and put the design together and if you want to get with smitty on it, that'd be great.

C

Okay, all right! Okay! Thank you. Thank you.

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Fire no issues for fire other than protection of electrical equipment on the site; okay, police, no.

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huh No utilities.

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No issues public works, public works is in concurrence with the ada aspects uh regarding the uh the park, ada parking, the signage, the striping and the access lanes. Okay, and no other issues.

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Another question.

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If I can't get six there, then I have to make up the other one at.

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In the impact site, or can I make another one at fishville to accommodate.

B

The shortest safest route is the governing factor for the location of these, since we're already kind of stretching that here, what I might suggest is check underneath the museum, and you may have an extra spot there now do you know how many you have.

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B

Not hand, I thought there were two under there.

G

No there's more than two.

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G

Oh yeah, because we've got three buildings.

B

Hotels ratios right now.

G

That's not going to be completed, uh probably for another. My guess would be another six to eight months. That's just guessing, um so I could use those spots no.

B

Is your 146, including these page spots, that we're discussing.

C

I believe so randy.

B

All right see what you can do there manny draw it up and get with me: okay, email it over to me a sketch or something we'll work with you. Oh.

G

You all you always do. I just want to make sure that I'm doing what you want me to do, and- and I just want to make sure that if I can't get six in that location, that where does the other one or two have to come from, and so let let me let me do that. Let me tell you what I've got and then we can work from there.

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B

Yes and see what you've got across the street, then we can look at it in the five-star lot. Okay, we can look at it as a overall. If we need to okay, I just you know: ron's gonna call.

G

Yes and the funny thing about well I'll.

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Talk with you all right.

C

So any other comments from the board from the applicant from the audience again. This is going to. uh We just need a motion to move this forward to city council, fire.

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Marshall motion to move forward to city council.

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C

Okay, we have a motion. Is there a second okay? So we have two seconds all right. We have a motion and a second any further discussion. If not all those in favor, all right opposed motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. No unfinished business staff comments.

E

I just have uh one comment: I'd like to bring up to the board to for discussion our weekend, events that we have uh the craft fairs and the farmer's market. In recent months, we've had multiple medical responses for folks that have tripped over the legs of the barricades, the road closure barricades and some very significant injuries compound injuries to folks locally.

E

So my request would be, however, we're working that out, and maybe this is something dave can help us with with coordinating with the event organizers is to not put those barricades in the walk paths, especially in the middle of the roadways, because there there have been some very significant injuries, uh just in recent months over a handful of them in the downtown area tripping over the barricade legs.

E

Actually, if you will it's not the barricade itself, it's the it's the legs, the support legs that come out from them, um because they're encroaching into the walk paths as they uh close the roadways.

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uh Just let you know that when I worked at detail years ago, he had he had the same situation and I would use my cones issued and put him over each leg. um Do we supply them with the royal clothes signs? Are those theirs? No, those are.

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Theirs, david meyer's public works. Thank you, those are theirs. um I would suggest exactly what you said. uh We normally and they shouldn't be in the walkway at all right. They need to. Somebody needs to enforce.

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Down and inspect we I tj and I do move them back, move them out of the way. But at some point people are moving them themselves.

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Past and that's really, you know the problem, so the cones do help for sure. um If you.

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Were to put a couple cones in each one of the legs: you'd, probably that would solve the issue. Okay, just.

E

So that we're all aware it's just something- that's uh actually happened quite often here lately and um I've seen more injuries now than I have in a couple years. I.

H

Would make sure there are also d.o.t size, cones, not the small little ones, yeah.

D

They need it, so they can easily be.

C

Seen yeah okay, um miss jen. Would you send that as an email to me, and then we can forward that to the event organizers who are closing the streets, so we can um make sure we have that on the record with them to tell them that they need to um be more diligent in their road. Closure will do.

F

What is the can we add to that email? The extra, because if you tell me what a fdot uh approved cone is, I'm gonna tell you. I have no clue so. Can we just give them at least a because what they're gonna do is they're, probably gonna, go on uh amazon or something and purchase.

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Them can we tell them I'll, get the dimensions from you and I'll put.

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In my email, okay, thank.

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Thank you. Okay, no other issues. Any other board comments. Border committee comments, citizen comments, if not or adjourned. Thank you. You all have a good weekend. You too.

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