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Planning Commission 5-24-2021
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C
B
A
A
E
A
Okay,
our
next
scheduled
meeting
of
the
planning
commission
is
wednesday,
monday
june
28th
2021..
Now,
if
there
are
citizen
comments
on
agenda
items,
only
if
you'd
like
to
make
comments,
you'll
have
three
minutes.
You
go
to
the
podium
and
state
your
name.
If
you're
here
to
comment
on
the
quasi-judicial
hearing,
there
will
be
a
separate
swearing-in
for
that
and
you
will
have
an
opportunity
to
speak.
D
If
you're,
I
believe
you
wanted
to
speak
on
the
agenda
item
agenda.
A
G
A
Okay,
next-
and
this
is
my
first
time
folks
so
bear
with
me-
if
I
get
this
right-
we're
going
to
have
a
swearing-in
for
anyone
who
wishes
to
speak
during
the
quasi-public
hearing.
So
if
you
think
you're
going
to
speak,
you
want
to
stand
up
and
be
sworn
in
now.
D
D
A
C
C
So
here's
a
little
bit
of
background
on
harbor
resort
and
yacht
club.
The
original
planned
unit
development
in
2005
permitted
a
90
room,
hotel,
114
unit
residential
condo
hotel
buildings,
83
slip,
marina,
a
parking
garage
and
pedestrian
sidewalk
easement,
which
is
now
known
as
the
harbor
walk.
This
was
amended
in
2006
and
permitted
the
114
multi-family
residential
condos.
Instead
of
condo
hotel
units,
82,
marina
slips
or
the
maximum
permitted
by
fdep,
a
minimum
90
room
hotel,
it
changed
the
seawall
elevation
specifications
and
the
pedestrian
sidewalk
harbor
walk
specifications
without
amendment.
C
The
purpose
of
this
amendment
is
to
continue
the
interim
uses
of
the
tiki
bar
the
restaurant
kitchen
associated
with
the
tiki
bar.
They
have
an
event
venue,
a
stage
sand,
volleyball
courts,
temporary
restroom
trailers,
ground
level
parking
and
some
storage
containers
which
are
associated
with
the
tiki
bar
and
events
that
are
held
there.
C
C
C
C
E
Chair,
I'm
sorry
I
I
must
have
missed
in
my
back
at
the
first
two
plates
that
you
displayed
that
one
and
the
next
one
I
mean
I,
the
the
newspaper
article
was
microscopic,
so
I
could
try
and
figure
out
what
was
going
on.
There's,
not
a
single
site
plan.
I
don't
know
where
the
tiki
huts
are
going.
I
don't
know
where
the
restaurants
are
going.
I
don't
know
where
the
bathrooms
are
going,
that.
C
E
Well,
it
probably
would
have
been
nice
to
have
this
plate
in
our
packet.
G
H
Lisa
there's
there
is
no
time
limit
on
this
interim
approval.
I'm
assuming
there's.
H
G
I
Applicant,
my
name
is
jay
moretti
and
I've
been
sworn.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
I'm
with
the
mccrory
law
firm
and
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
harbor
resort
and
yacht
club
accompanying
me,
is
the
engineering
gary
bain
of
southwest
engineering
design
as
well.
I
I
I
This
amendment
to
the
2005
plan
and
2006
planned
developments
will
allow
the
tiki
bar
to
continue
to
exist
at
its
current
location.
However,
it
will
be
now
be
redesignated
as
an
interim
use
on
the
plan
development
rather
than
needing
the
tiki
bar
to
frequently
refile
the
temporary
use
permits
under
the
the
city's
current
system.
This
allows
both
the
city
and
the
owners
to
better
plan
for
the
tiki
bar's
uses
and
impacts,
as
it
continues
to
operate
at
its
current
location.
E
I
E
E
If
anything
is
going
to
develop
where
it's
going
to
develop,
I
don't
know
where
the
apartment
condominiums
are
going
to
go.
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
add
hotel
rooms
where
they're
going
to
go.
I
don't
know
where
the
parking
ground
parking
on
one
page
says
ground
parking
on
another
page
says
garage.
I
don't
know
where
that's
going
to
go.
I
I
need
some
help
here.
J
J
C
J
This
is
the
original
plan
that
was
approved
back
and
then
that
is,
that
is
not
changing.
It's
this
exact
same
layout,
same
height,
same
location
of
the
garage
locations
as
well.
Okay,.
A
No,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
you
get
an
answer:
okay,.
E
So
there's
no
timeline
on
this
site
plan
once
this
is
approved
by
us
and
city
council.
This
would
go
on
at
infinitum.
Yeah.
J
It's
an
it's
an
interim
mix
until
they're
the
developers
ready
to
build
their.
K
Joe
surial
four
points
by
sheraton,
the
owner-
I
was
here
what
12
years
ago,
discussing
this
side
plan
that
you
see
there
at
that
time.
It
was
heavily
contested.
K
We
did
our
best
effort
to
work
at
that
time
with
a
team
punta
gorda
who
had
contracted
with
planners
to
tell
the
city
how
to
develop
it.
We
agreed.
Initially,
it
was
requested
that
exchange
for
the
condominiums.
K
This
allowed
the
city
to
have
a
boat
walk,
because
at
that
time
there
wasn't
any
access
of
the
property
for
public
for
the
public
we
compromised
and
we
ended
up
paying
1.2
million
dollars
to
the
present
harbor
walk.
We
had
to
raise
the
sea
wall
and
we
had
to
build
the
hardwood
walk
that
is
subject
to
an
easement
in
favor
of
the
city
that
happened
11
years
ago.
K
That's
still
valid.
In
the
meantime,
we
had
that
vacant
land
waterfront
that
was
used
just
for
parking.
We
started.
We
put
a
small
tiki
bar
because
the
old
whole
holiday
inn
that
was
there
in
the
hotel.
They
had
the
keyboard
that
was
pretty
popular.
K
The
management
company
recommended
that
we
put
it
and
it
was
a
sort
of
an
experiment,
just
small
some
of
you,
maybe
remember,
which
was
the
initial
tiki
board
round,
one
that
the
corner
it
was
very
successful
and
since
then,
even
though
that
is
a
temporary
use,
we
have
keep
on
putting
money.
You
know
to
make
it
more
appeal
appealing
and
make
it
more
useful.
K
The
intent
was
always,
unfortunately,
the
timing
for
the
construction
of
the
condos.
When
we
sought
the
approval
for
the
project,
it
was
right
before
the
recession
of
2006
2008
and
you
know,
and
all
the
consequent
down
in
the
market
so
initially
the
reason
that
the
hotel
was
built.
I
wasn't
a
hotel
developer
that
would
get
involved.
We
tried
to
do
it.
Well,
I'm
a
condominium
developer,
rental
apartment
developer.
K
K
Our
intent
was
to
start
with
the
condos
that
was
right
before
the
recession.
Well,
we
started
with
the
hotel
procession.
Came
we
stopped
the
condos
to
ask
us
for
a
time
frame,
it's
difficult,
because
I
we
don't
have
the
crystal
ball
on
to
foresee.
K
What's
going
to
happen
with
with
the
market
when,
when
it's
going
to
be
ready,
unfortunately,
because
it
has
to
be
a
parking
structure
that
makes
the
project
quite
honors
and
the
units
cannot
be,
you
know
affordable
units
because
they
are
subject
to
because
of
waterfront,
it's
valuable
piece
of
property
to
build
the
parking
that
that
was
approved.
K
So
the
the
tiki
has
been
spending
it's
been
initially,
it
was
to
help
us
to
pay
the
real
estate
taxes
and
you
know,
and
the
maintenance
of
of
this
site
now
well,
it
is
it
is
successful,
but
I
can
tell
you
as
an
owner
that
we
get
the
money
you
keep
on
putting
in
you
know,
because,
as
you
have
seen,
we
have
been
coming
to
the
city
constantly
asking
for
new
improvements
to
this
site
and
new.
You
know
and
we
still
live
somehow
open
to
keep
on
improving
for
this
temporary
use.
K
The
alternative
is
that,
well,
we
want
you
to
have
a
firm
timing.
We
don't
have
a
front
timing,
and
this
is
the
temporary
use
if
it's
denied
well,
then
we
don't
have
a
ticking,
because
the
ultimate
intent
is
to
have
condominium
condominium
units
and
the
retail
on
the
ground.
Four,
that's
what
the
property
is
for,
for
the
time
being,
we
are
very
comfortable
with
with
the
ticket.
K
On
the
other
hand,
thanks
to
the
popularity
that
all
of
you
go
there
and
we
we
appreciate
you
as
as
customers
and
as
long
as
this
relationship
continues
to
be
positive,
we
will
continue
investing
and
improving
it
and
that
that's
the
reason
that
we
are
here
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
E
I
missed
the
front
one
10
years
worth
of
extensions
and
we're
still
not
at
a
point
where
we're
going
to
say:
let's
pull
the
pin
and
further
again
going
back
to
dover
coal,
it's
the
idea
of
the
city
to
try
to
increase
its
commercial
base
to
lessen
the
load
on
residential
base,
and
if
we
put
up
condominium
units
in
the
next
300
years,
I
I
don't
know
that
that
helps
us
out
with
it
with
a
tax
base.
So
I've
got
I've
got
a
couple
of
problems
with
this
entire
concept.
E
L
For
the
record
mitchell
austin
principal
planner
city
of
punta
gorda,
so
just
as
a
point
of
clarification
here,
there's
an
existing
plan
development
on
this
site.
This
is
the
site
plan
for
that
existing
plan
development.
L
The
only
way
to
take
those
entitlements
away
from
the
property
owner
is
to
buy
them
from
them
from
that
property
owner,
so
that
that
that
is
beyond
question
right
now
in
terms
of
of
what
is
already
approved.
L
Typically,
so
it's
an
inappropriate
sort
of
mechanism
to
account
for
this
use,
which
has
it,
as
we
say,
extended
for
a
decade
and
may
extend
quite
far
into
the
future,
given
the
fact
that
residential
multi-family
construction
in
southwest
florida
certainly
is
is
challenged
in
terms
of
the
price
point
where
you
can
actually
build
profitably,
these
types
of
units,
so
we
may
be
looking
at
the
current
uses
existing.
For
I
mean
I
don't
like
mr
surial.
L
D
A
You,
okay
mitchell,
at
the
point
in
time
when
the
owner
wants
to
do
the
condominium
project,
assuming
that
that's
still
the
goal,
will
they
have
to
come
back
for
permission
to
do
that
or
they
can
just?
What
do
you.
A
A
L
Another
point
just
quickly
is
that
this
site
plan,
while
it
is
primarily
residential,
it
does
include
a
fairly
significant
portion
of
the
of
the
ground
floor
as
a
restaurant.
So
it's
not
like
the
that
concept
of
having
a
public,
waterfront,
dining
entertainment
area
is
absent
from
this
plan.
H
Sanitary
facilities
and
temporary
kitchens
and
temporary
storage
and
temporary
everything
into
the
infinite
future.
I
I
I
can't
buy
that.
I
think
that
if
you're
gonna
keep
this
property,
as
is
you
know
the
tiki
bar
for
10
or
20
years,
you
need
to
do
something
different
than
temporary,
toilets
and
temporary
storage
and
temporary
whatever
there
has
to
be
a
plan
that,
if
it
you
know
to
get
this
something
better
than
that,
it
just
doesn't
seem
right
to
have
that
kind
of
a
facility
for
that
long.
H
A
N
N
There
is
no
paths,
there's
no
illuminated
signs,
there's
nothing
on
the
ground,
showing
these
people
where
to
go,
how
to
get
to
the
tiki
bar.
We
constantly
we.
We
have
spent
17
949
to
install
one
fence
and
just
this
past
two
weeks
ago
we
spent
50
almost
six
thousand
dollars
to
replace
a
50-foot
section
of
fence,
with
a
more
secure
gate
and
key
lock
that
we
can
get
from
that
side
out.
But
it's
constantly
the
old
one
got
torn
apart.
We
we
have
people
using
our
elevator
for
bathrooms.
N
Every
saturday
and
sunday
we're
cleaning
up
debris
from
the
bar.
We
we
sit
right
along
the
side
of
the
tiki
bar
the
sheraton's
on
our
one
side,
the
convention
center's
on
the
other
and
the
tiki
bars.
This
way
I
live
face
in
the
parking
lot.
I
open
my
door
at
least
10
times
a
night
telling
people
you
can't
get
through
here.
You
have
to
walk
around
well,
how
do
you
get
there?
N
We
have
people
in
our
yards
all
times
of
the
day
and
night
trying
to
get
through
where
we
had
to
put
a
fence
in
to
stop
it.
We
have
humongous
signs,
we
paid
another
500
for
each
side
to
put
in
no
entrance
to
the
tiki
bar
no
public
parking
parking
by
permit
only
which
people
say,
we
don't
see
the
signs,
but
there's
there
has
to
be
something,
and
this
is
on
the
town.
N
N
Okay
and
again,
we
spent
over
twenty
thousand
dollars
now
on
fence,
fence,
repairs
and
fence
replacements.
We
we
clean
every
weekend
to
keep
our
property
nice
and
we
need
some
kind
of
some
kind
of
signage
or
something
telling
people
where
they
can
park
where
they
can
walk
to
get
to
this.
I
don't
know
if
they
can
use
the
parking
lot
downtown
and
then
shuttle
them
in.
I
thought
at
one
time
there
was
a
little
bus
that
went
around.
N
That
said,
harbor
hotels,
but
I
think,
since
the
pandemic
that's
disappeared,
but
we
need
something
as
as
trying
to
be
good
neighbors.
We
need
something
that
these
people
know
where
they're
going
to
get
in
and
out
without
us
having
to
play
security
guard
and
garbage
man
and
cleaning
our
elevators
of
people
going
to
the
bathroom
in
it,
because
we
get
a
lot
of
traffic
very,
very
late
at
night,
we're
a
55
and
over
community
all
right.
So
I
think
my
three
minutes
probably
up.
N
A
O
J
O
Okay,
it's
okay,
and
my
other
question
is
if
the
tiki
bar
is
so
popular,
which
we
all
know
and
has
been
acknowledged
a
few
moments
ago,
and
I
too
saw
some
plans
somewhere
where
the
idea
was
to
extend
out
into
the
water
so
that
there
would
be
a
new
tiki
bar
essentially,
and
we
like
that
idea,
we
like
the
idea
of
a
business
being
successful.
We
like
the
idea
of
a
tax
base
continuing
and
we
like
the
idea
of
having
an
opportunity
for
people
to
come
in
whether
we
live
here
or
are
visiting
the
area.
P
P
It
just
seems
to
me
that
a
plan
that
was
approved
15
years
ago
doesn't
really
fit
today.
The
population
increase
in
in
the
area
the
size
of
the
or
the
number
of
vehicles
traffic
coming
down
41.
All
of
those
things
have
changed
significantly
since
that
time
so
plunking.
This
development
on
this
very,
very
small
piece
of
property
right
in
the
middle
of
town,
just
seems
to
be
an
ill-advised
thing
without
having
another
look
at
it.
114
units
an
82
or
83
slip,
marina
a
restaurant,
a
conference
center.
P
B
Q
I
just
want
to
pick
piggy
back
on
what
kevin
said
a
little
bit
more
to
the
point
of
safety,
because
in
our
area
we've
had
drunks
come
through
them,
there's
just
no
other
way
to
put
it
to
get
to
the
tiki
bar
they're
already
drunk
when
they
come
there
and
they've
tried
to
get
in
people's
doors
before
they
throw
beer
cans
in
our
swimming
pools,
and
when
they
have
these
massive
concerts
there
we
have
droves
of
people
coming
through
our
area.
All's
we're
asking
for
is
some
kind
of
relief.
Q
We're
not
asking
you
to
give
up
your
millions
of
dollars,
you're
making
off
of
this
just
take
a
fraction
of
those
millions
of
dollars
and
give
us
some
kind
of
relief
in
our
area.
So
we
don't
have
to
put
up
with
this
stuff
how
you
people
on
the
council?
How
would
you
like
it
if
you
had
people
coming
to
your
doors
and
pulling
your
doors
open
and
and
no
nobody
would
like?
Nobody
would
like
that.
So
we're
just
asking
to
alleviate
that.
We're
not
asking
for
the
world
here.
So
that's
that's
all.
A
F
F
Somebody
can
quickly
correct
me
if
that's
wrong,
but
I
know
the
city
council
is
going
through
its
transition
of
re-evaluating
and
one
of
the
things
will
be
maximum
building
height.
They
even
went
through
as
far
as
should
it
just
be
listed
as
stories
or
should
it
be
listed
as
in
feet,
and
our
city
attorney
david
levin
strongly
suggested
that
any
kind
of
a
building
height
should
be
in
feet
to
eliminate
any
kind
of
problems
down.
F
The
road
legally,
so
I
hope,
is-
and
I
do
appreciate
the
more
I
hear
about
this
and
what
you're
all
doing
here
on
this
committee.
I
deeply
appreciate
the
time
you're
putting
into
this
it's
a
it's
a
very,
very
big
deal.
Thank
you,
but
please
consider
that
maximum
building
height,
in
your
view,
when
you
do
all
these
drawings
you're
going
to
give
us
down
the
road.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
My
name
is
mickey
gann,
I'm
a
punta
gorda
resident.
I
have
been
sworn
most
of.
What
I
wanted
to
talk
about
today,
doesn't
really
seem
appropriate
based
on
what
the
actual
agenda
is,
but
I
do
have
a
few
questions
of
when
it
would
be
appropriate
to
discuss
and,
like
other
people
have
mentioned,
we've
all
heard
about
lots
of
changes
that
are
coming
to
this
piece
of
property
and
whether
that's
interim
use
residential
use.
B
I
come
here
today
to
represent
a
large
group
of
young
individuals
that
play
volleyball
at
this
piece
of
property
on
a
regular
basis,
and
it's
super
super
important
to
us
and
I
think,
important
to
the
working
demographic
that
live
here
and
support
the
huge
retirement
community,
retired
individuals
tend
to
be
consumers,
and
you
need
working
demographic
to
support
that.
So
my
question
is:
when
would
it
be
appropriate
to
discuss
something
like
this
amenities,
recreational
activities
that
the
city
might
be
able
to
give
us
if
it
will
no
longer
be
available
at
this
piece
of
property?.
B
R
R
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
marilyn
kovac
and
I'm
a
resident
of
the
charlevoix,
and
I
have
been
scoring.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
my
safety
as
a
resident
of
charlevoix.
R
I
have
no
problem
with
the
tiki
bar
being
where
it
is
my
husband
and
I,
as
well
as
many
people
over
at
the
charlevoix,
often
partake,
but
it's
been
to
say
uncomfortable
for
us,
mostly
on
the
weekends
one
saturday
night
in
particular,
when
I
had
to
call
the
putagorda
police,
because
we
were
awakened
by
screaming
and
hollering
in
the
parking
lot
adjacent
to
our
condos
when
someone
was
knifed
there,
so
the
pudugorda
police
did
come
at
4am
in
the
morning
and
someone
indeed
had
the
knife.
There
we
heard
the
word
knife.
R
R
A
S
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
david
dodson,
I'm
at
punta
gorda
western,
and
I
have
been
sworn
two
points.
One
is,
I
agree
with
the
gentleman
here.
It
seems
to
me
to
offer
an
open-ended
fix
to
the
administration
issue
is
not
a
wise
move.
S
I
appreciate
the
benefits
to
the
city
and
the
benefits
to
the
the
current
owners
in
terms
of
their
planning
and
your
planning
in
terms
of
putting
a
more
sensible
solution
in
place
and
the
current
revolving
thing,
whether
that's
five
years
or
10
years,
I'll
leave
your
discretion,
but
but
I
think
that's
one
thing.
The
other
thing
is
that
I
also
appreciate
the
comments
from
staff
that
this
is
the
done
deal.
The
plan's
already
been
in
place.
S
Others
have
said
time
has
gone
by
I've,
attended
meetings
about
the
revisions
of
city
code,
new
master
plan
attempts
to
try
and
bring
great
commercial
income
to
the
city,
and
this
is
a
prime
real
estate
point.
Where
perhaps
would
be
very
interesting
for
commercials
to
start
a
condo.
It
appears
a
solution
would
involve
money.
We
would
have
to
buy
back,
they
should
have
to
buy
back
the
current
approvals.
It
may
well
be.
T
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
glenn
force
and
I'm
a
resident
of
punta
gordon
and
I
have
been
sworn.
I
go
to
the
tiki
bar
pretty
regularly.
I
walk
by
it
every
morning
with
my
dog,
it's
very
important
to
me
to
have
that
recreational
area,
not
just
for
me,
but
all
the
little
kids
that
go
play
there.
The
volleyball
players
play
there.
The
people
that
work
there,
it's
real
important,
that
we
maintain
this
type
of
tax
base.
I
think
for
the
city
to
put
a
condominium
there.
T
I
don't
give
a
darn
if
it's
two
million
dollars
a
piece,
it's
still
not
going
to
give
you
the
revenue
over
the
long
period
of
time.
I
agree
that
we,
if
this
is
going
to
be
an
interim,
it
needs
to
be
a
certain
length
of
time
to
be
an
interim.
So
that
way
everybody
can
kind
of
plan
their
future,
and
I
think
the
city
needs
to
step
into
their
situation.
Where
maybe
there
is
some
people
going
through
that
other
condo,
that's
there
and
and
make
make
make
the
signs
available
or
do
whatever
else.
T
Maybe
some
a
cop
coming
by
there
every
every
evening
would
kind
of
curtail
some
of
the
action
that
goes
on.
I've
never
seen
it.
I
never
heard
about
the
knifing,
but
I
will
say
this
much.
It
could
easily
happen
and
it
probably
most
likely
did
so.
We
need
to
do
something,
but
but
to
take
the
tiki
bar
out.
T
A
A
A
Second
call:
anyone
wishing
to
speak:
please
go
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
that
you've
been
sworn
you'll
have
three
minutes.
This
is
the
last
call.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
go
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
indicate
that
you've
been
sworn
you'll.
Have
three
minutes.
A
Okay,
yeah
joe
como
moved
brad
seconded.
I
Good
jamerry
again
with
the
mccrory
law
firm,
I
have
been
smart.
Thank
you
again
for
the
public
comments.
I
You
know
this
is
critically
important
to
how
we
do
all
these
things
and
again,
you
know,
obviously,
there's
always
a
kind
of
a
confusion
with
how
these
things
work
right,
and
what
we
were
here
for
today
is
just
an
amendment
to
the
plain
concept
for,
instead
of
doing
the
temporary
use
permits,
having
the
interim
use
on
the
plan
development
to
be
able
to,
you
know,
streamline
the
administration
process,
that's
really
what
we're
here
for
today
again,
we
we
would
like
to
reiterate
that
in
2005
and
2006,
when
this
plan
was
approved
by
the
city
council,
those
rights
vested
in
this
property,
the
right
to
build
the
condominiums
at
the
developers
choice,
those
rights
are
vested
and
carry
with
the
land
in
perpetuity
so
and
then
to
address
donna.
I
I
That
will
remain
around
the
perimeter
and,
as
part
of
the,
the
new
concept
is
that
the
restaurant
will
be
moved
to
the
northwest
corner
similar
to
where
I
think
the
original
tiki
is
sitting
now
beautiful
views
of
the
sunset
open
air
concept,
outdoor
seating,
with
the
potential
to
eventually
and
depending
on
dep
and
permitting
the
hope
to
build
an
over-the-water
like
seating
area.
For
you
know
a
view
of
the
sunset
as
well
so
again
today,
just
to
refocus
right.
I
Today's
idea
is
to
streamline
that
the
idea
of
getting
rid
of
the
the
temporary
use
permits
and
put
the
interim
use,
as
you
know,
for
the
tiki
well
we're
moving
forward
until
the
condominiums
are
built,
which
is
the
right
of
the
development.
Thank
you.
J
Just
to
answer
for
the
record
gary
bain
with
southwest
engineering
answer
patricia's
question:
the
maximum
height
was
50
foot.
Just
so
you
know,
50
foot
was
the
maximum
height.
K
I
would
like
to
apologize
to
all
of
you
at
the
child
of
you.
My
understanding
I
have
is
not
here
today.
The
general
manager,
craig
holt,
has
always
tried
to
maintain
an
open
door
with
all
of
you
with
all
the
we
consider
our
neighbors
as
far
as
the
collaboration
for
not
having
the
traffic
through
your
complex
back.
K
K
K
So,
obviously,
with
the
purpose,
because
there
are
certain
limitations,
when
you
have
temporary
uses
on
what
type
of
signage
you
can
put
in
there,
so
we
I
mean
we
would
like
to
have
as
much
sinus
as
we
can
indicating
people
where
to
park
and
where
to
go.
We
we
have
now,
at
least
on
the
as
a
for
temporary
use
on
peak
hours
of
the
property
adjacent
to
the
our
competition.
K
We
have,
as
I
said,
certain
limitations
on
the
size
of
cyanogen,
so
we
will
be
working
to
that
respect
and
please
any
issue
and
deal
with
a
crack
called
our
general
manager.
Excuse.
K
You,
anyway,
we
are
open
and
willing
to
work
with
our
neighbors,
as
we
have
always
been.
Can
we
promise
that
there
won't
be
one
single
incident
that
we
cannot
promise?
We
have
our
incidents
there,
but
we
work
with
you
with
all
of
our
neighbors
to
make
it
as
safe
and
livable
as
possible,
and
obviously,
if
there
is
any
damage
we
will,
we
will
make
sure
that
you
get
compensated
properly
or
that
we
take
care
of
it.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
all
right.
Thank
you.
E
Madam
chair,
I
got
serious
trepidations
with
this
whole
thing.
I
I
just
I'm
really
concerned
that
this
thing
has
gone
on
for
10
years.
E
E
Had
it
been
me-
and
I
don't
know
whether
that
site
plan
is
inked
in
concrete
or
not,
but
I
don't
know
how
high
the
garage
is.
I
don't
know
how
high
those
apartments
are,
but
if,
if
the
garage
blocks
the
first
floor
of
those
apartments
in
the
bottom
part
of
the
l,
I
would
have
flipped
everything
upside
down
so
that
that
bottom
part
of
the
l
faced
the
water.
But
I
mean
that's:
that's
a
site
planning
issue.
I'm
just
really
concerned
that
we
haven't
gone.
E
H
A
So
lisa
or
mitchell,
if
I
could
ask
for
some
clarification,
I'm
assuming
that
we
can't
one,
we
have
no
power
to
force
the
property
owner
to
build
correct.
That
is
correct,
okay,
that's
correct,
and
then
secondly,
we
really
I
mean
the
temporary
stuff.
I
I
have
an
appreciation
for
why
there's
concerns
about
that
going
on.
You
know
temporary
forever,
but
at
the
same
time,
all
we're
here
to
do
today
is
to
decide
whether
we
want
to
streamline
this
permitting.
C
A
U
Yeah,
I
I
think
it
comes
back
to
it.
As
the
attorney
pointed
out.
You
know
what
is
within
the
purview
of
this
planning
commission
and
what
is
not
and
and
there's
only
so
much
we
can
do.
We've
been
through
what
five
six
city
councils,
since
this
was
originally
approved
and
about
and
are
about
to
have
another
election.
This
fall
for
another
new
city
council.
U
There
are
other
planned
construction
projects
that
we've
seen
since
I've
been
on
this
commission
that
have
been
held
in
obeyance
now
for
several
years
that
are
just
sitting
there
fallow
until
conditions
permit.
You
know,
there's
nothing
that
that
we
can
do
to
compel
a
land
owner
to
do
something
with
their
property.
U
You
know
if
there
was,
we
wouldn't
have
this
massive
parking
lot
in
the
middle
of
our
city,
so
I
think
there's
a
limit
to
what
we
can
do
here
and
and,
as
our
chair
pointed
out,
what
we're
here
to
do
is
approve
either
approve
or
deny
changing
the
status
from
temporary.
To
interim,
my
only
question,
which
would
be
for
you
or
or
mitchell,
is
as
paul
brought
up.
U
Can
you
put
a
fixed
term
on
an
interim
proposal
or
or
an
interim
which,
which
seems
to
me,
turns
it
from
an
interim
to
a
to
a
temporary,
but
is
that
legally.
U
Yeah-
okay,
that's
just
that's
just
you
know
and
in
terms
of
I
think
it's
a
false
comparison
when
we
look
at
what's
going
on
down
in
red
on
marion,
because
that
was
construction
in
process
and
and
causing
kind
of
a
a
public
blight.
U
Some
of
the
others
that,
where
no
construction
has
started,
is
not
necessarily
creating
a
public
blight,
and
you
know
again:
we've
had
numerous
pieces
of
property
around
punta
gorda
that
there
have
been
plans
submitted
for
approved
whatever
and
then
for
one
reason:
another.
They
never
happened
and
they're
just
sort
of
the
land
is
still
sitting
there.
Fallow
waiting
for
economic
conditions
to
to
be
such
to
development,
and
most
of
them
involve
condominium
development.
I
can
think
of
at
least
three
or
four
just
off
the
top
of
my
head.
C
C
A
C
H
L
H
H
E
U
Yes,
okay,
I
reckon
it's
updated
based
on
the
evidence
and
testimony
presented
at
this
public
hearing
for
item
number.
U
G
L
C
C
So
third
driveways
are
permitted
by
special
exception,
but
this
property
was
developed
prior
to
that
requirement.
So
we
have
three
driveways
on
on
this
one
being
an
existing
non-conforming
driveway
this
one
to
the
farthest
right.
So
the
property
owner
is
proposing
a
new
garage
edition,
totally
totally
connected
and
to
remove
this
third
driveway
and
to
relocate
it
on
this
side.
C
So
it
says
a
less
intense
non-conforming
use,
a
non-conforming
use
may
be
changed
to
another
equal
or
less
intense
non-conforming
use
pursuant
to
approval
by
the
city
council,
upon
review
and
recommendation
of
the
planning
commission
when
such
change
is
not
detrimental
to
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
the
surrounding
area.
So
it's
not
increasing
it.
It's
just
moving
it.
It's
moving
its
location,
so
the
property
was
constructed
in
1990
and
it
included
the
three
driveways
special
exception
requirement
for
a
third
driveway
was
not
added
to
the
code
until
2016..
C
Again,
the
property
owner
is
proposing
the
garage
edition,
so
staff
recommends
approval.
The
request
meets
all
the
re
required
criteria
to
allow
the
non-conforming
use
to
be
changed
to
another,
equal
or
less
intense
non-conforming
use
staff
recommends
conditions,
the
right-of-way
permit
for
line
and
grade
building
review
and
zoning
review
the
applicant
or
property
owners
here.
If
you
have
any
technical
questions,
but
it
would
meet
all
the
proper
permitting
for
line
and
grade
and
again
this
is
not
a
public
hearing.
It's
just
a
request.
We
wanted
to
bring
it
forward
as
a
public
request.
H
C
C
C
I
actually
ran
that
through
the
city
attorney
and
he
came
up
with
that.
We
could
approve
it.
This
way.
V
My
name
is
rob
reynolds.
I
am
the
owner
of
2701
debra
and
the
reason
I'm
doing
this
obviously,
is
because
I
want
to
put
a
garage
next
to
the
home,
we're
coming
back
in
and
not
really
changing
the
footprint
of
where
it
would
affect
the
and
I'm
a
builder
also,
but
anyway
it
wouldn't
affect
any
of
the
street.
You
know
access
or
anything
like
that.
It's
going
to
stay
the
same.
It's
just
going
to
move
down
another
40
feet.
Okay,
I'm
on
three
lots
on
this.
V
Okay
and
I
originally
asked
for
a
fourth
driveway,
and
I
didn't
know
that
this
was
was
an
issue.
But
anyway,
you
know,
lisa
came
to
me
and
says:
hey,
you
know
we
can
probably
do
it
this
way.
That's
why
I'm
back
here
now
to
try
to
to
figure
out
what
we
can,
what
we
can
do
and
make
work.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
an
eyesore.
I
have
no
problem.
I've
talked
to
all
my
neighbors
and
stuff
like
that,
and
they
have
no
problems
with
it.
V
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say
the
the
only
thing
that
it
it
it
entails
me
to
do.
Is
this
garage
that
I'm
putting
in
okay
it?
I
have
to
have
a
driveway
straight
in
pretty
much
to
put
it
like
an
rv
in
it,
the
the
building
that
I'm
putting
on
it
is
30
by
50,
okay,
and
it's
specifically
set
up
for
an
rv
okay
in
case
somebody
ever
buys
my
property
and
wants
that
type
of
a
situation.
A
Is
there
a
second
second
all
right,
susan
seconded
all
in
favor
aye
aye
passes
unanimously.
I
don't
believe
we
have
any
unfinished
business
at
this
point.
Any
further
staff
comments,
okay
committee
comments
or
board
comments.
Okay,.
V
P
E
Ed,
oh,
come
on
at
last
wednesday
city
council
meeting.
I
kind
of
wish
city
attorney.
11
was
here
because
I
I
guess
my
question
really
is
for
him,
but
at
last
wednesday
city
council
meeting,
we
talked
about
one
of
our
favorite
subjects.
The
sign
ordinance
and
under
the
discussion
was
flags
and
the
question
was
asked:
can
we
have
an
american
flag
at
the
top
six
by
ten
and
all
the
rest
be
smaller
than
6
by
10.?
E
Grabs
me
the
wrong
way,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
asking
if
you
would
pass
along
to
mr
eleven
before
second
reading.
My
concern
about
the
american
flag.
C
I
can
it
the
second
reading
is
actually
june
2nd.
I
don't
know
that
the
minutes
will
be
in
the
package,
but
we
can
ask
for
an
excerpt
of
the
minutes
to
try
to
be
forwarded
to
them.
A
E
G
A
C
A
You
know
sorry,
sorry,
I
always
forget
that
at
the
end,
okay,
we
have
an
opportunity
for
citizens
comments
on
any
topic.
If
you'd
like
to
speak,
you
have
to
go
to
the
podium
state,
your
name,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
M
I'm
lynn
fernholz,
I'm
a
resident
of
punta
gorda.
My
question
has
to
do
with
the
discussion
of
the
limit
of
the
50
feet
and
I
know
nobody
wants
to
rehash
that.
Neither
do
I
but
my
my
question
is
for
the
property
owners
who
have
purchased
property,
such
as
the
tiki
hut
property
purchased
2004-2005.
M
A
C
Okay,
lisa
han
and
zoning
official
and
mitchell-
please
jump
in
if
I
go
astray,
so
that
development
is
bound
by
what
was
approved
by
the
planned
development.
There
are
elevations
and
it
does
have
a
maximum
height.
I
know
the
applicant
said
it
was
50
feet.
Staff
will
have
to
research
because
there
were
elevations
that
were
submitted
along
with
the
site
plan.
C
I
don't
have
that
actual
figure,
but
they're.
They
are
bound
by
what
was
approved
by
that
planned
development
if
they
deviate
from
that,
they
have
to
come
back
or
if
they
request
a
deviation
from
the
approved
site
plan
or
any
height
or
any
uses
that
deviate
from
what
was
approved
in
that
ordinance.
They
have
to
come
back
for
another
amendment.
To
that
plan.
Development.
L
Again
for
the
record
mitchell,
austin
principal
planner,
urban
design,
so
in
the
process
of
what
we're
doing
right
now,
there's
three
pieces
of
the
puzzle.
The
master
plan
is
a
vision
document.
Then
the
city
has
an
official
planning
document
which
is
required
by
the
state
of
florida
called
comprehensive
plan.
So
there
are
draft
provisions
to
that
that
will
need
to
be
made
and
then
there's
land
development
regulations,
which
are
the
codes
that
actually
govern
development.
Specifically,
you
can
be
this
tall.
You
have
to
be
this
far
back
from
your
property
line.
L
You
can
have
these
uses
the
when
we
re-zone
property
through
process
like
that,
as
a
municipality,
we
have
to
ensure
that
the
existing
entitlements
that
carry
with
the
land-
so
let's
say
we're
rezoning
the
hou,
the
land
that
my
house
sits
on
in
pinewood
isles.
L
So
that's
part
of
the
puzzle
that
you
have
to
put
together
when
you
change
land
development
regulations.
Is
you
have
to
ensure
that
you're
not
increasing
the
restrictions
on
existing
property
owners
because
they
bought
those
that
property
understanding
that
they
had
certain
rights
to
use
that
property?
L
So
whatever
the
new
zoning
says,
they
could
actually
use
that
and
come
in
and
and
request
a
buy
right
development
from
that,
basically
throwing
away
their
planned
development,
or
they
could
request
an
amendment
to
that
plan
development.
Those
are
their
three
options
under
that.
Under
that
scenario,
only
the
the
third
option
where
they
request
a
plan
development
amendment,
is
the
only
time
the
public
gets
a
shot
at
saying.
M
L
The
the
land
development
regulations
were
changed
right
after
hurricane
charley
in
2005,
so
right
about
the
time
that
the
the
property
owner
for
that
property
submitted
those
plans.
The
land
development
regulations
were
in
the
process
of
being
changed.
L
The
previous
land
development
regulations
are
permitted
more
or
less
the
same
thing
that
he
that
that
the
current
regulations
covering
that
piece
of
property
entail.
So
the
the
major
reason
for
the
plan
development
was
twofold.
First,
it
allowed
for
the
the
residential
development
to
occur
in
the
configuration
that
the
developer
wanted
and
two.
It
actually
provided
the
city
with
the
opportunity
to
request
the
access
easement,
which
is
the
current
hard
walk.