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Burnt Store Isles Canal Advisory Committee 3-9-2021
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Gary
dishes,
from
the
capital
improvement
status
report,
we've
got
our
taylor
recommendations
that
we
talked
about
last
week.
Our
last
meeting,
I
should
say
so,
we're
still
going
to
work
on
putting
together
with
you
guys.
I
know
mike
was
going
to
get
with
me
on
some
public
outreach,
come
up
with
a
game
plan
for
that
and
for
our
inlet,
widening
we're
still
waiting
on
army
corps
to
issue
out
that
permit
after
they
got
the
biological
opinion
from
national
marine
fishery
service.
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Okay,
any
questions
all
right,
moving
right
along
okay:
this
is
a
public
hearing
special
permit,
ccsp02-2021
it's
continued
from
last
month.
I
need
to
remind
anybody
who's
going
to
be
speaking,
we're
supposed
to
limit
you
to
three
minutes
so
treat.
Please
try
to
make
your
comments
brief
and
I'll
set
the
timer
I
failed
to
do
so.
Last
month.
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All
right,
so
anyone
intending
to
offer
testimony
in
today's
proceedings
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand.
If
you
aren't
sure,
go
ahead
and
stand
up,
we
can
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
it.
Just
in
case,
do
you
solemnly
swear
or
affirm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
in
today's
proceedings.
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The
applicant
has
submitted
a
slight
variation
to
the
original
version
of
of
what
was
presented
to
you.
I've
got
that
on
the
overhead.
Presently,
the
the
sole
thing
that
has
changed
on
on
this
application
is
the
width
between
the
pilings
or
the
measure.
Distance
between
the
pilings
has
been
reduced
by
a
foot,
so
the
the
dimensions
remain
the
same
or
the
piling
furthest
waterward
from
the
seawall
would
be
24
feet
out.
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So
it's
not
just
from
the
end
of
the
canal,
the
wall
and
the
end
of
the
canal.
It
also
is
30
feet
from
the
angled
seawall
see.
Well,
yes,
okay,
second
question
in
is
this
is
just
an
affirmation,
the
the
birthing
line
here,
that's
represented
by
that
orange
line.
If
you
will
what
that
says
that
a
vessel
could
be
birthed
there
and
and
be
fully,
has
the
full
right
to
do
so.
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I
told
viviana
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one
of
the
direct
abutters,
so
I
just
had
a
question
with
I.
I
was
privy
to
the
last
plans.
Obviously
so
my
eyes
aren't
as
good
as
they
used
to
be
sitting
back
there.
So
would
you
say
that
it
moved
over
one
foot?
Did
it
move
over
to
my
property
closer
by
your
foot,
or
did
the
pylons
just
come
closer
together
by
your
foot.
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So
that
didn't
move
close,
it's
I
get
it.
I
get
it
okay,
I
wasn't.
I
was
out
of
town
for
the
first
meeting
on
this
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
original
plans
I
didn't
have
an
issue
with
I
just
didn't-
want
it
to
be
moved
any
further
over,
because
it
will
limit
the
size
of
vessel
that
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
have
at
my
dock,
and
I
don't
want
that
to
be
encroached
any
further
than
what
it
is.
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Can
I
ask
you
a
question?
Mister.
Am
I
allowed
to
ask
questions
sure,
mr
sal?
How
is
this?
Let's
go
over
what
you
said
last
month,
you
said
that
it,
these
outer
ones
in
your
opinion,
would
be
considered
a
navigational
problem
because
of
the
boat
that
you
dock
at
your
dock,
possibly
possibly
how.
I
guess
I
guess
that's
my
question.
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I
don't
have
a
boat
in
my
dock
right
now,
but
if
I
were
to
put
a
40-foot
boat
in
there
that
would
that
would
cause
a
problem.
I
believe
I
can't
tell
you
that
it
has,
and
I
can't
say
for
sure
that
it
will
I'm
not
that
good
of
a
boater,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
those
posts
in
my
rear
view
that
close
for
a
40-foot
belt
or
a
40-foot
boat,
there's
another
there's
a
40-foot
boat
on
our
waterway.
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Is
making
a
difference
yeah
the
trick
there
would
be
when
the
ordinance
was
being
rewritten.
You
know
determining
where
the
channel
is.
We
didn't
want
to
put
it
up
to
the
city
to
go
out
and
determine
what
the
channel
was
and
then
when
they
come
in,
for
the
special
permit
request,
we
don't
know
how
big
of
a
lift
they
want
to
put
in
because
a
lot
of
those
you
know
the
elevator
lifts
could
fit,
but
it
I
mean
obviously
not
with
a
25-foot
boat,
which
a
smaller
boat
would
probably
fit
on
a
smaller
lift.
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Should
be,
I
mean
it
was
out
there
every
time
we
talked
about
chapter
six
of
what
we
were
doing
you
know,
so
we
noticed
the
public
on
all
the
meetings
that
we
have
there's
opportunity
out
there,
but
for
us
to.
We
did
not
specifically
go
out
and
talk
to
agents
and
say
that
this
may
be
a
problem
because
we
don't
know
if
it
is
a
problem.
If
the
people
buy
there
and
they
oh
hey,
I
can
put
my
16
foot
boat.
There.
No
problem.
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I
think
the
second
thing
is
that
you
know
how
do
we,
how
do
we
navigate
down
the
canal
with
a
lock
we're
already
in
a
situation
where
folks
didn't
want
to
do
work
in
bsi
because
of
the
size
of
the
barge
that
they
could
get
in?
Do
we
just
shut
everything
off
by
saying?
Well,
you
can
stick
a
20
foot
25
feet
down
into
the
waterway.
When
you
have
50
feet
of
water
and
boats
can't
navigate
past
there.
We
find
ourselves
in
the
same
position.
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With
this,
I
think
we
should
have
a
list
of
the
lots
and
houses
on
the
perimeter
canal,
where
it
would
appear
that
a
special
permit
is
needed
before
any
lift
can
be
constructed,
and
I
think
that
list
should
be
made
public
for
or
at
least
given
to
the
people
who
are
on
the
perimeter
canal.
I
have
no
problem
with
the
40-foot
requirement
or
what
have
you
that's
navigational
and
undoubtedly
needed,
but
I
think
people
who
own
or
potentially
would
like
to
own
property
on
the
perimeter
canal
should
know
what
they're
getting
into.
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I
mean
norm:
would
you
put
a
size
on
those,
let's
say
the
lift
or
the
dock
or
dimensions
or
size
of
the
lift?
Or
you
know,
because
if
you
look
at
at
a
ten
thousand
pound,
lift
for
instance,
or
an
alive,
you
know
that
would
generate
a
certain
number
of
possibly
a
certain
number
of
sites.
If
you
go
to
a
20
000
pound
straight
on
lift
or
40
000
pounds
straight
on
lift
that
would
generate
another
set
of
lists.
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And
I
think
this
committee
in
the
future
is
going
to
look
at
those
special
permits
and
do
their
best
to
approve
what
they
can.
You
know
for
the
homeowner
and
so
the
barges
you
still
get
by
so
I
believe
they'll
still
get
lifts.
It's
just.
I
think
the
committee
is
going
to
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
going
too
far
out
into
the
canal,
just
like
we
just
approved
one
right
now.
That
was
outside
the
code
just
a
few
minutes
ago.
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I
understand
you're
feeling
that
this
particular
group
of
people
that
live
on
the
canal
are
treated
different
than
others
is
what
you're
getting
at.
I
understand
that,
but
that's
the
same
thing
with
when
you
have
a
a
corner
lot.
I've
heard
people
complain
that
they
have
to
pay
the
same
amount
of
msbu,
whether
they've
got
30
feet.
A
dock
space
or
they've
got
a
tip
lock
with
180
feet
and
they
say
it's
not
fair.
It's
like
well,
you
know
it's
the
way.
It
is
it's
unfortunate,
but
it
is.
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To
citizens
or
potential
citizens
as
to
whether
or
not
they
may
have
a
problem
now,
if
I
want
to
buy
a
lot
on
the
perimeter
canal,
I
close
on
the
lot.
I
talk
to
a
builder,
I
build
a
house
and
in
the
process
I
put
in
a
dock
and
so
forth
and
so
on,
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
I
don't
even
have
a
boat,
but
I'm
thinking
of
buying
one
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Somebody
tells
me
well
before
you
go
buy
that
boat.
You
better
go,
find.
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Whether
or
not
you
can
park
it
in
your
backyard
or
not,
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
long
way
from
where
I
started
when
I
bought
the
lot
and
built
a
house
and
put
in
a
dock
and
so
forth,
and
so
on.
I'm
just
trying
to
get
that
information
up
front
so
that
people
can
know
what
they're
doing
due
diligence.
You're
right
is.
B
Exactly
right
and
that's
all
I'm
saying
that
that
information
should
be
readily
available
and
not
something
that
the
buyer
or
potential
buyer
finds
out
a
long
way
down
the
line.
That's
all
I'm
asking:
how
do
you
do
it?
I
don't
know
yeah,
that's
why
I
suggested
a
list.
I
don't
think
we
all
have
a
good
idea.
Okay,
whatever.
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Okay,
I
guess
for
staff
comments
just
to
let
you
know
we
did
put
in
the
minimus
exemption
request
through
dep
for
the
mayor's
cup
filings,
so
that
submission
has
been
put
in
and
the
fees
have
been
paid
so
we'll
we
should
know
hopefully
by
next
meeting.
If
they,
if
they
have
that
30-day
clock,
we
may
have
an
answer
by
then.
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De
minimis
exemption
or
the
piling
edition
that
we
talked
about
last
month,
y'all
wanted
us
to
go
forward
with
putting
pilings
on
each
side
of
mayor's
cut
to
keep
boats
from
cutting
through
right.
We
filed
for
a
de
minimis
exemption
letter,
basically
letting
him
letting
us
install
the
pilings
under
an
exemption.
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C
At
this
time,
no
staff
recommend
staff
recommendations
are
that
we
do
not
put
any
signs
in
at
this
time.
We
put
the
pilings
in
and
see
how
they
work
there
is
there
isn't
any
language
out
there
that
we
can
put
on
a
sign,
that's
going
to
make
that
an
exclusion
zone
in
order
for
you
to
make
that
an
exclusion
zone?
It's
a
very
extensive
process
that
takes
a
couple
years
and
a
lot
of
staff
time
a
lot
of
attorneys
and
engineering
reports.
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But
again,
like
we
talked
about
in
the
last
meeting,
this
is
an
enforcement
issue.
In
order
for
you
to
get
any
kind
of
action,
you
have
to
show
evidence
things
like
tickets
that
were
issued
accidents
that
happened
manatees
that
were
injured
things
of
that
nature.
Okay,
if
you
want,
if
you
were
to
to
go
through
this
whole
exclusion
zone
thing,
you
have
to
have
evidence
of
why
you
want
that
zone.
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So,
under
florida
statute,
327-46
municipalities
have
the
authority
to
establish
a
vessel
exclusion
zone
by
ordinance
if
it
is
a
public,
swim
or
beach
area
within
300
feet
of
a
dam,
spillway
or
flood
control
structure,
a
canoe
trail
or
otherwise
limited
to
vessels
under
ore.
Okay,
but
you
have
to
show
evidence
of
why
you
want
that
exclusion
area.
C
If
you
you
can
say,
oh,
you
have
to
do
like
an
engineering
report.
You
can't
just
say:
oh
okay,
on
this
state.
It
was
this
light
on
the
state.
It
was
that
wide,
because
this
is
literally
going
to
go
to
the
florida
state
administrative
procedures
committee,
which
consists
of
five
senators
and
seven
representatives,
so
it'll
have
to
be
lobbied
to
get
this
zone
established
and
before
you
even
do
that
the
advisory
board
has
to
make
a
recommendation
to
counsel
council
has
to
accept
it.
C
Council
has
to
direct
our
attorney
to
create
the
draft
ordinance
and
then
the
draft
ordinance
goes
to
fwc.
Fwc
has
to
coordinate
that
issue
with
the
hang
on.
A
second
was
charlotte
county
united
states
coast
guard
and
army
corps
of
engineers
once
they
approve.
All
of
that
it
goes
back
to
fwc
for
approval.
Fwc
sends
it
back
to
council.
Council
has
to
have
its
public
hearings
and
adopt
the
ordinance
to
make
it
an
ordinance
in
a
law
and
all
that
other
stuff,
a
lot
of
red
tape.
It's.
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D
Issue
yeah
again,
you
know
my
concern
through
this
whole
thing
is:
not
only
has
it
moved
from
42
feet
to
86
feet,
but
you
know
now
in
the
southern
portion
of
that
adjacent
to
the
land
berm.
There
we've
collapsed
the
bank
two
years
ago
because
it
had
eroded
away
the
tree
came
down
in
the
canal.
We
collapsed
a
portion
on
the
back
there,
the
water,
along
that
mangrove
line.
There
is
over
10
feet
deep.
It's
probably
the
deepest
portion
of
the
perimeter
canal.
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D
My
issue
here
is
not
to
keep
you
busy
kathy.
My
issue
here
is
that
I
understand
we
have
a
problem.
You
know
we've
already
experienced
collapsing
that
bank,
where
the
tree
came
down,
we
had
to
send
a
barge
out
to
cut
that
out
of
the
canal.
Two
years
ago,
we've
had
to
dredge
last
year
the
northern
portion
of
that,
because
that
water
flow
there
is
leaving
a
area
that
collects
silt
on
the
northern
side.
I
suspect
we'll
continue
to
do
that.
Yes,.
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And
anybody
who
who
goes
through
that
area
realizes
just
how
much
current
is
flowing
through
there.
So
I
took
a
26-foot
c-ray
down
there
last
month
after
our
meeting
and
and
check
the
depth
with
my
transponder,
and
god
knows
how
accurate
that
is.
It
shows
that
I'm
over
10
feet
10
and
a
half
feet.
I
did
this
at
mid
tide
with
a
northeast
wind
of
15
miles
an
hour
which
is.
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If
there's
anything
specific
that
you
want
us
to
do
or
in
your
budget
you're
going
to
be
seeing
in
the
next
couple
months
with
funding
for
the
lock
widening
and
also
the
corner
widening
and
potential
purchase
of
property,
commercial
property
upland,
which
we've
all
we've
talked
about,
all
those
projects
to
you
and
you'll
see
those
in
the
budget.
At
that
time,
you
can
say,
let's
move
or
recommend,
let's
move
forward
with
these
or
not.
L
If
there's
something
you
want
us
to
see
at
mayor's
cut,
specifically,
let
us
know
vote
on
it
as
a
committee
or
a
consensus,
as
a
committee
we'd
like
to
see
x
at
mayor's
cut,
and
we
will
be
happy
to
try
to
come
up
with
an
estimate
knowing
that
anything
that
has
to
be
permitted
is
a
minimum
of
two
years.
I
think
we've
established
that
not
hopefully
not
pilings,
we
hope
those
are
exempt,
but
any
type
of
rip-rap
you
want
or
trying
to
close
down
a
water
body
of
the
state.
L
So
if
there's
anything
in
particular,
you
want
us
to
see
we'll
try
to
budget
for
it
and
we'll
show
you
what
it'll
actually
cost
you
and
it'll
be
done
with
consultants,
so
we'll
be
happy
to
to
provide
numbers
on
what
the
budget,
what
we
feel
you
need
to
budget
to
accomplish
what
what
you're
discussing
right
now.
So
we
just
need
the
consensus
of
the
of
the
body
that,
just
like
the
other
projects,
we're
going
to
put
in
the
budget
you've
gave
us
a
vote.
L
D
It
does
I
I
really,
we
don't
have
an
investment
enforcement
option
here,
but
the
reason
this
keeps
happening
is
people
go
in
and
trim
those
mangroves
privately,
and
it
takes
the
supporting
structure
of
the
soil
away
from
where
the
openings
come
in
and
I'm
just
struggling
to
understand.
How
do
we
deal
with
this.
C
C
I
tried
putting
something
together,
but
I
I
would
really
want
the
input
from
the
members,
but
we
we
talked
about
something
like
that,
because
you
guys
also
said
that
a
lot
of
the
boaters
don't
even
know
that
they
cannot
go
through
there.
They
should
not
go
through
there.
Okay,
I
think
once
the
pilings
are
up
and
they're
not
able
to
squish
in
between
the
pilings
they'll
get
it,
but
I
think
a
public
education
campaign
would
would
help.
G
And
we
are
putting
the
pilings
or
permitting
the
pilings.
I
do
an
extra
one
on
each
end
and
talked
to
dep,
and
they
said
we
can
set
that
piling
up
to
within
one
foot
of
the
mangroves
so
and
we're
going
to
come
up
to
the
mangrove
line
and
that
hopefully,
that
extra
piling
is
going
to
go
five
feet
further
up
the
way.
So
it's
folks,
you're
gonna,
have
a
real
hard
time,
even
getting
a
boat
anywhere
near
the
mangroves.
C
C
My
proposal
that
I
asked
the
contractor
to
give
us
was
for
six
pilings.
You
know
I
threw
an
extra
one
in
there
just
in
case,
but
that's
what
we
measured
when
the
guys
were
out
in
the
field
mowing
the
lock.
I
asked
them
to
pad
down
there
and
see
what
the
measurement
was
okay
so,
but
I
estimated
six
pilings
if
we
need
another
one,
then
we'll
throw
another
one
in,
but
our
goal
is
to
prevent
navigation.
L
And,
and
what
we
can
do
is
we'll
get
a
public
service
announcement.
We
get
stumped
from
something
from
dep.
Maybe
we
can
put
our
weekly
kathy
about
mangroves,
we'll
supply
it
to
you,
if
you
want
to
put
it
in
your
monthly
bsi
magazine
that
in
one
of
the
organizations,
if
you
want
to
reach
out
that
way,
we
can
do
that
too,
but
we
can
get
something.
That's
from
dep
itself.
That's
reprintable
that
you
could
do
as
a
public
service
announcement.
C
C
As
means
to
provide
additional
flushing
between
the
canal
system
and
the
south
branch
of
alligator
creek,
the
permitti
shall
remove
the
riprap
at
the
entrance
of
the
mosquito,
ditch.
As
shown
on
the
attached
drawings
and
install
pilings.
The
piling
shall
be
placed
on
five
foot
centers
to
allow
free
movement
of
manatees,
but
prevent
navigation.
H
C
E
I
think
that's
right
put
the
pilings
in
we'll
see
where
it
goes
and
in
the
meantime,
maybe
a
community
education.
We
can
get
some
verbage
that
we
can
then
add
to
the
bsi
communication
line
and
see
what
happens.
Otherwise.
You
know
it
might
be
another
four
or
five
years
we
have
to
go
out
and
drive
a
few
more
piles.
I
mean
that
sounds
like
it's.
It's
the
most
reasonable
course
to
take
at
this
point
in
time
without
incurring
years,
and
who
knows
how
much
time
and
money
and
effort
to
do
anything
else.
E
I
think
to
me.
The
plan
that
should
be
pretty
well
set
is
that
okay,
let's
let's
do
these
pilings
now,
let's
see
what
happens
and
if
we
need
to
put
some
more
piles
in
it.
You
know
at
some
point
it
will
take
care
of
itself,
but
I
don't
know
where,
where
that's
going
to
be
sean
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
I
think
we
have
to
try.
G
E
But
if
it
continues
to
widen
the
velocity
is
going
to
reduce,
so
there
may
be
a
happy
medium.
In
other
words,
you
may
have
to
go
from
80
feet
to
150
feet,
but
at
that
point
in
time,
if
we
continue
to
drive
piles
out
there,
it
will
stabilize
the
velocity
will
reduce
so
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
is
we're
not
there
yet,
but
eventually
we
will
be,
and
then
erosion
stops.
D
E
E
So
by
widening
it
out,
you
increase
the
cross-sectional
area.
It
will
eventually
slow
things
down,
but
how
wide
is
it
going
to
have
to
be?
I
don't
know
I
mean
it's.
It's
been
too
many
years
since
I've
sat
down
and
run
these
hydraulic
calculations,
but
at
some
point
it
will
and,
as
I
said,
maybe
even
four
or
five
years,
we
have
to
come
back
and
drive
another
half
a
dozen
piles.
F
A
M
Bob
fritz
macedonia,
the
problem
I
agree
with
norm:
there
are
lots
there.
People
paid
a
lot
of
money
for
fully
expecting
punt
to
go
to
the
boating
community
to
be
able
to
have
a
dock
and
a
boat.
Okay,
as
mr
pena
last
month
said
right
now.
He
if
he
didn't
build
his
dock
before
the
new
ordinance.
He
couldn't
put
a
dock
in
and
you
know,
and
he
can't
put
a
lift
in
1987.
M
It
was
a
different
situation.
When
I
started
building
the
house
in
2005
ron,
parr
mike's
uncle,
who
owns
it
at
the
time.
Okay
told
me
the
canal
60
feet
wide.
You
need
an
elevert
lift.
Okay,
you
can't
have
a
four
post,
lift.
I
said:
okay,
fine,
it's
a
12,
000
pound,
lift.
It
sticks
out
about
10
feet.
Maybe
11
feet:
okay,
the
arms!
That's
it!
The
dock
is
seven
feet
with
the
pilings
eight
feet.
M
I
think
people
are
entitled
to
know
that
there
may
be
a
problem.
I
think
the
realtor
should
know
that
there
may
be
a
problem.
I
think
it's
simpler
to
put
it
to
change
the
ordinance
as
it
affects
the
bsi
perimeter
canal
to
maybe
take
the
center
line
and
move
that
maybe
go
five
feet
from
the
mangroves.
That's
about
six
feet
of
water
there
navigable!
M
Okay,
I
I
think
something
has
to
be
done.
I
really
think
you
know
people
are
entitled
to
have
a
dock
entitled
to
have
an
elevator.
You
can
control
the
length
going
out,
maybe
10
feet
max
that'll,
give
you
a
10
000
pound
elevate,
lift
or
a
12
000
pound
elevate,
lift
okay,
but
I
think
they're
entitled
to
that.
Otherwise,
as
mr
pena
said,
you
should
buy
a
house
on
a
golf
course
save
himself
a
lot
of
money,
not
with
a
lot.
Thank
you.