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Burnt Store Isles Canal Advisory Committee 2-9-2021
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B
D
Here,
just
from
don's,
whatever
yeah
to
here
some
guy,
just
he
pulls
out
over
there
by
the
new
car,
whatever
social
media
just.
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E
F
C
C
D
Mr
chairperson,
for
the
record
kathy
miller
canal
maintenance,
we
do
not
have
any
special
permits
for
the
march
meeting,
so
if
you
would
like,
we
could
reschedule
the
next
meeting
to
april
13th
would
be
your
next
scheduled
meeting.
H
E
And
I
just
want
to
say
too
that
the
election
of
chair
and
vice
chair
is
at
the
end.
We
were
wondering
if
we
could
push
that
to
the
beginning
now,
so
we
can
have
the
chair
take
over
if
it
changes.
C
C
E
E
C
C
C
F
D
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D
F
H
I
Good
afternoon
for
the
record,
gary
disher
on
your
capital
improvement
project,
you
can
see
taylor,
engineering
and
staff
recommendation
were
presented
to
city
council
for
our
master
or
seawall
alternative
materials
and
that's
a
later
agenda
item
and
then
for
our
lock
or
inlet.
I
This
is
a
new
report
that
we're
putting
together
just
to
be
able
to
track
our
master,
permitting
agreement
with
han
wilson
associates.
So
each
of
our
permits
that
we're
going
to
go
forward
on
this
encompasses
both
burn,
storage
and
punch.
Aisles
we're
going
to
start,
including
this
report,
so
y'all
can
keep
tabs
on
how
the
permitting
process
is
moving
forward
on
all
on
the
projects.
C
I
That'll,
be
that's
under
unfinished
business,
we'll
cover
that.
I
That's
a
unfinished
business
I
made
so
we'll
we'll
get
into
that
here
later
in
the
agenda.
C
E
E
F
J
Hi,
my
name
is
john
south.
I
live
at
3770,
candia
drive
it's
on
the
drawings,
it's
lots
two
and
three.
This
is
my
wife
edna
and
our
neighbor
joanne
houston.
B
J
J
The
plan
includes
building
a
15-foot
aluminum
dock
from
a
new
concrete
dock
into
the
canal,
attaching
a
triangular
shaped
boat,
lift
to
the
aluminum
dock.
This
lift
encroaches
on
the
structure.
Line
limitation
is
put
forth
in
section
two
of
the
pentagon
code.
This
is
not
a
little
six
inch
encroachment.
It
represents
an
encroachment
of
over
five
feet
past
the
45
degree
buildable
line.
J
J
If
point
two
are
the
case,
we
have
been
advised
by
a
real
estate
appraiser
and
I
use
jeff
fair,
who
owned
all
county
appraisal
and
riverside
appraisal
been
here
for
over
40
years,
and
he
said
a
great
part
of
the
value
of
our
property
is
that
it
is
at
the
end
of
the
canal,
two
lots
and
has
a
great
view
and
a
long
enough
seawall
to
dock
a
big
boat
point.
Four.
There
simply
isn't
enough
space
in
the
proposed
area
for
the
three
docks
and
three
lifts
to
operate
safely,
and
I
provided
pictures.
J
J
The
idea
is
to
adhere
to
the
code
and
I
have
attached
a
separate
drawing
that
shows
how
they
can,
how
others
have
solved
this
problem,
because
they
have
a
corner
lot
and
how
they
can
solve
this
problem.
J
H
J
H
J
That's
what
I
would
suggest
I
have
an
updated
drawing
of
that
and
a
little
more
time,
sir.
D
Anything
that
you
give
out,
you
have
to
give
us
a
copy
for
record.
Okay,
we
have
a
process.
So
if
you
have
an
extra
copy
I'd
appreciate
it.
B
J
J
J
C
I
We
normally
do
presentations
and
then
you
would
call
for
citizen
input
and
right.
So
I
think
we're
we've
kind
of
got
the
cart
before
we're.
I
Do
you
have
anything
else
to
add
later
yeah
if
we
can
kind
of
okay
reset
not
to
say
you
know,
because
otherwise,
then
we
could,
I
guess,
follow
normal
protocol
there
right.
L
L
L
Work
at
3358,
tripoli,
boulevard.
It's
also
a
legal
description
is
lot
1
block
235,
section
15.,
the
applicants
are
sondra
and
christopher
betts.
They
are
seeking
approval
to
install
the
four
piling
boat,
lift
three
of
the
pilings,
a
portion
of
the
boat
left
and
a
portion
of
a
two
foot
wide
by
15
foot.
Long
aluminum
walkway
would
extend
outside
the
structure
limitation
lines
or
the
45
degree
angle
lines
again.
It's
a
portion
of
the
lift,
a
portion
of
the
aluminum
walkway
per
plat.
This
property
has
40
feet
of
seawall.
L
L
I
will
add
that
the
approach
angle
of
the
proposed
lift
is
is
basically
paralleling
a
lift
at
the
adjoining
property,
as
shown
on
this
property
to
the
north
and
and
a
little
bit
to
the
east
of
them
of
the
proposed
lift.
L
L
Let
me
pull
the
page
here
should
know
this
by
memory,
but
I
believe
it's
section
2e
or
2.1
e4
and
again
the
six.
L
I
apologize,
I
got
a
little.
Oh
yes,
I
was
going
to
read
the
six,
but
I'll
do
that
later.
It's
article
2,
section,
2.1,
e4,
again,
six
criteria
that
are
outlined
in
the
code
that
are
part
of
the
discussion
and
review
and
based
on
these
six
staff
does
believe
that
would
be
in
harmony
with
the
general
intent
and
purpose
of
this
article
would
not
be
injurious
to
the
waterway.
That's
involved
would
not
impede
safe
navigation,
would
not
allow
structure
or
use
aesthetically
or
functionally
incompatible
with
existing
structures
or
uses
on
surrounding
lands.
L
L
We
not
only
look
at
where
the
structure
is,
but
again
we're
talking
about
safe
navigation
and
in
this
drawing
the
approach
angle
is
like
like
this,
so
in
order
to
get
a
boat
on
and
off
this
lift
a
boat
would
have
to
cross
this
boat
limitation
line
onto
an
adjoining
property's
water
that,
as
mr
south
has
explained,
he
has
the
right
to
use
this.
So
if
he
would
park
or
would
mow
a.
L
L
So
it's
when
we
look
at
these
these
applications,
we
try
to
not
only
to
compare
the
six
criteria
but
and
again
we're
not
the
ones
that
develop
these
applications.
As
I
explained
to
mr
south
administratively,
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
to
deny
an
application.
L
The
approach
angle
here
onto
this
lift
is
such
that
it's
basically
straight
in
straight
out
this.
This
boat
would
not
have
to
cross
into
across
the
boat
limitation
lines
that
would
otherwise
impede
another
owner's
ability
to
use
their
their
water.
So,
based
on
this
staff
does
recommend
favorable
consideration
based
on
our
review
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
C
L
B
L
This
is
the
neighbor's
boat
and
it's
on
a
lift,
the
water's
very,
very
shallow,
in
at
this
end
of
canal.
You
know
it's
the
time
of
the
year
that
it
that
it
would
typically
be
shallow.
B
L
I
I
think,
with
the
dredging
restrictions
that
that
we
have
can't
dredge
within
seven
feet
of
the
sea
wall.
A
lot
of
these
applications
that
we
see
the
nearest
piling
to
to
the
sea
wall
is
between
eight
and
ten
feet
out.
So
I
but
again
I'd
I'd
defer
to
mike
as
to
you
know
how
they
chose
the
the
angled
approach
versus
straight
in.
N
Good
afternoon,
mike
parr
from
far
marina
have
been
sworn
I
was
concerned
before
bob
went
through
all
of
that
he
covered
a
lot
of
the
key
points.
I
was
looking
for
really
water
depth,
boat,
length,
mooring
rights,
you
know
kind
of
what
is
your
water
inside
the
birthing
lines?
I
I
feel
like
all
that
was
covered.
N
If
you
try
to
turn
the
lift
the
issue,
is
you
start
to
bring
it
in
far
enough
that
you
have
the
same
issue
as
if
it's
inside
the
45
degree,
you're
gonna
end
up
backing
a
boat
on
you
know
it's
not
that
you're
getting
a
shorter
boat,
it's
just
that
the
weight
distribution
makes
you
have
to
back
it
on
so
safety
and
navigation.
Wise.
That's
why
this
kind
of
process
started
into
a
corner.
N
N
Right
there
correct
yeah,
but
then,
like
I
said
you
run
into
the
issue
of
as
you
bring
it
further
and
further
in
if
the
boat
gets
to
where
it
has
to
back
in,
to
make
the
because
you
always
have
a
lot
more
of
the
bow
off
of
the
front
of
the
boat,
lift
correct
like
when
he
pulls
in
it.
The
closer
you
bring
that
the
more
likely
it
is
that
you
end
up
having
to
back
the
boat
in.
N
He
could
technically
just
park
a
boat
there
without
asking
anything
we're
just
asking
for
the
ability
to
lift
it,
but
another
issue
we
have
in
bsi
is
on
anything
newer
than
2003.
Your
boat
has
to
be
on
a
boat,
so
just
saying
well
I'll,
stick
a
couple
pilings
in
and
you
know
park
it
there.
It
doesn't
work
because
you
can't
just
park
your
boat.
M
G
N
With
the
design
that
we
have,
but
I
don't
it's
not
really
bringing
it
in
two
feet:
it's
just
going
to
change
the
way
how
this
design
is
used
instead
of
affecting
the
property
to
the
left.
At
all,
I
mean
the
pot
you're
talking
about
two
feet,
one
way
or
the
other
in
or
out
on
that
same
line
as
a
birthing
line.
N
L
N
N
N
Would
be
pretty
much
right
to
it
right
to
it
this,
but
what
he
was.
I
think
what
he
was
trying
to
get
out
is,
if
you
put
it
inside
the
45
degree,
there's
no
way
to
get
in
or
out.
We
have
multiple
that
are,
in
the
45
degree,
with
a
three
piling
lift
so
that
you
try
to
have
a
little
bit
of
room
to
angle
in
that
we're
taking
out
and
getting
special
exceptions
for
to
do
this
same
process,
because
they're
stuck
as
soon
as
your
neighbor
puts
a
boat
there.
L
This
is
the
the
drawing
you
reference,
and
then
this
would
be
the
other
drawing.
So
the
the
suggestion
that
that
a
lift
could
be
placed
here
generally
with
the
approach
coming
in
this
way
would
require
as
this
boat
or
as
proposed
here
when
the
boat
comes
off,
the
lift
it
would
cross
the
berthing
line
here
to
get
into
the
neighboring
water
that
that
mr
south
or
a
subsequent
owner
would
have
every
right
to
you
know,
have
a
boat
board
here,
either
lengthwise
or
at
some
type
of
an
angle.
L
So
you
know
the
question
had
come
up
as
to
you
know.
Why
do
we?
Why
do
we
even
allow?
Why
do
I
bring
forward
these
these
applications
when
it
clearly
is
outside,
what's
required
to
get
a
building
permit
and
and
my
response
and
as
you're
well
aware
of
the
code
or
the
ordinance
that
was
adopted
by
council,
provides
for
this
provision,
because
I
think
someone
had
had
the
foresight
to
say
everyone
could
be
doing
the
very
correct
thing
that
they
need
to
do
at
these
end
of
canals,
and
it
may
not
work
it
just
right.
C
L
H
G
N
L
L
Some
would
argue
for
the
good.
Some
would
argue
the
other
way,
but
but
I
do
know
that
the
applications
are
increasing,
whether
it's
more
people
are
moving
here
year
round.
I
I
don't
know
more
houses
are
being
built,
but
I
see
a
lot
of
these
with
existing
homes,
but
I
think,
with
the
new
code
and
and
just
looking
ahead,
it's
one
it's
it's.
L
K
L
L
C
I
got
a
question
for
you
mike.
Yes,
if
you
were
to
take
that
proposed,
lift
that
walkway
that
two
foot
wide
walkway
right
there.
That
goes
out
if
you
were
to
cut
it
on
I'm
thinking
that
birthing
lines
approximately
60
degrees,
if
you
were
to
cut
it
from
the
top
corner
down
60
degrees,
move
that
lift
over
to
the
right,
so
that
that
top
pylon
is
right
at
the
birthing
line
on
the
right,
then
the
walkway
would
still
be
within
the
birthing
line.
If
you
cut
it
on
a
60
degree
angle.
N
I
do
know
that
we've
tried
to
it's
technically
the
whole.
I
look
at
the
whole
structure
as
the
walk
board
in
the
lift.
N
Width-Wise,
it's
already
slid
to
that
side,
and
I
know
that
the
neighbor
to
the
right
we're
resetting
a
lift
on
on
those
pilings,
but
then
you're
opening
up
a
whole
different
can
of
worms
of
moving
it
over
to
the
to
the
other
side,
and
we
try.
We
tried
really
to
go
through
all
of
this
stuff
before
that,
the
other.
I
think
bob
also
was
going
to
bring
up
another
issue
of
not
only
being
blocked
but
the
water
depth
when
you're
talking
about
putting
that
piling
two
feet
off
of
the
seawall
you're.
N
C
Yeah
what
I
was
proposing
if
you
move
that
lift
to
the
right
two
feet:
you're
gonna
gain
the
walk
board
on
that
two
more
feet
on
the
other
side.
Well,
if
you
cut
it
on
an
angle,
then
it's
not
going
to
be
protruding
any
more
over
to
the
house's
berthing
line
than
it
is
with
this
projected
drawing
right,
but
you
would
gain
about
two
more
feet
over
on
the
left
hand,
side,
you
know
the
pie
lines
to
the
left
over
there.
The
two
that
are
close
to
each
other
would
move.
N
N
Yeah
cause,
then
it
would
just
be
further
into
lot
one's
water.
C
N
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
put
it's
on
a
bracket
that
piling
bracket,
so
you
would
have
to
keep
it
at
least
the
two
feet
off
that
way.
You
can
fit
that
walk
board
in
there.
Even
if
you
want
to
cut
an
angle
on
it,
but
yeah
I
mean,
if,
if
need
be,
we
could
shift
it
over
a
foot.
I
just
don't
know
exactly
what
you're
what
you're
gaining
okay,
I
don't
know.
O
H
G
You
know,
and
since
this
is
an
amicable
situation
from
from
what
you
suggested
earlier,
I
I
guess
my
question
is:
is
there
a
way
for
you
folks
to
work
together
to
come
up
with
a
solution?
That's
good
for
the
two
of
you
and
put
that
back
in
front
of
this
board.
Rather
than
have
us.
N
N
N
C
B
J
John
south
3770
candia
drive.
J
J
G
J
Well,
if,
if
mike,
can
work
with
us
on
that,
something
like
that.
N
Mike
parr
from
bar
marine
construction,
I
have
been
sworn.
I
feel
like
we're
running
into
a
lot
of
the
same
issues
though,
like
it's
not
we're,
I
would
hope
to
be
able
to
come
to
an
agreement,
but
this
is
not
similar
to
the
proposed
plan.
N
I'd
have
to
put
it
on
there,
but
I
believe
it's
made
to
fit
up
to
26
feet.
So
usually
you
have
on
40
feet
of
sea
wall.
We
can
get
one
of
these
approved
and
fit
20
25
to
26
feet
somewhere
in
that
ballpark
on
35
feet
you
can
fit
up
to
from
22
to
24
feet
and
then
on
30
feet.
Usually
the
21
foot
boat
pulled
in
straight,
but
that's
that's
what
I
mean:
we've
we've
done
these
enough
times
in
a
row.
I
feel
like
that.
P
N
J
L
True
for
the
record
bob
nichola
from
public
works,
I
have
been
sworn
procedurally,
the
question
came
up:
could
it
be
content?
Could
this
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting
and
it
can
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
legally
advertised
as
long
again
as
long
as
what's
been
placed
in
the
legal
ad
for
this
meeting
is
not
exceeded
so
right
now
you
have
three
pilings
outside
the
45
portion
of
the
left
portion
of
a
walkboard,
so
we
don't
have
to
go
through
the
advertising
process.
L
Nor
do
we
have
to
go
through
the
notification
process
with
neighbors
so
that
cuts
down
on
some
of
the
the
lead
time
that
mike
mentioned.
You
know
the
20
days
before
the
meeting.
Literally
we
you
know
a
plan
could
be
developed
up
to
a
week
prior
to
the
meeting
that
we
would
then
forward
to
you
again
as
long
as-
and
I
can't
think
of
one
instance
where
we've
had
a
special
permit
come
to
either
this
committee
or
pgi,
where
four
pilings
have
been
outside
the
45.
Its
maximum
is
typically
three.
N
Mike
farr,
from
par
marina,
have
been
sworn
bob.
What
about
engine
I
never
figured
out?
Would
I
have
to
get
engineer
drawings
again
redone
to
what
we're
proposing
yeah.
G
C
A
Rick
doherty
the
thing
that
I
look
at
from
these
corner
lots
like
this.
I
mean
we're
always
faced
with
these
very
tight
situations.
A
What
mike
is
proposing
is
the
boat
coming
into
the
lift
direct
from
the
canal
itself.
I
think
we
need
to
avoid
having
the
boats
come
into
the
lift
from
either
side,
which
was
part
of.
I
think
that
initial
sheet
that
mr
south
was
showing
that
to
me
is,
is
a
very
difficult
navigation
into
a
lift
like
that.
A
I
Mr
chairman,
you'll
have
to
call
for
additional
public
input.
We've
got
we've
kind
of
skipped
that
part
of
the
process
right
and
then
there'll
be
a
motion
to
close
public
hearing
after
you've
called
we
end
up
with
the
three
calls
nobody
comes
up,
then
we'll
do
board
deliberation
and
then,
at
that
time
you
guys
can
decide
on
what
you
want
to
do.
Okay,.
L
And
excuse
me
one
thing
before
before
you
do
that
there
was
a
question
on
the
table
that
asked
about
you
know
is:
is
this
lift?
You
know
possible
the
the
suggested
lift
and
I
know
we
might
be
beyond
that
discussion,
but
I
I
left
it
kind
of
hanging.
This
line
that
I
drew
is
basically
the
dredge
limitation
line,
so
you
know
measuring
seven
feet
off
of
the
off
the
seawall.
L
B
L
G
C
I
Now
you'll
need
a
motion
to
close
public
hearings.
That's
right.
G
I
I
Seconded
but
she
can't
see
our
mouths
moving
on
on
the
video,
so
it's
tough
to
figure
out
who's,
calling
what.
G
A
L
C
H
D
D
B
D
D
We
have
we
had
a
pre-application
meeting
with
fdep
since
then
gary
disher
and
I
and
they
said
yes,
we're
responsible
for
keeping
those
pilings
up
and
for
blocking
that
that
entrance
for
boat
access
that
access
there
is
supposed
to
be
for
manatees
and
kayaks
okay,
so
the
application
fee
for
the
permit
exempt
is
a
hundred
dollars.
D
D
Okay,
a
crew
was
out
there
on
friday
to
measure
the
distance
between
the
last
piling
and
the
mangrove
line,
and
on
this
side
we
have
16
feet
and
then,
on
this
side
we
have
10
feet
so
we're
looking
at
five,
possibly
six
pilings.
D
Yes,
okay,
when
we
met
with
dep,
they
said
try
to
we're
supposed
to
space
them
every
five
feet,
so
they
said
try
to
keep
them
as
close
as
you
can
to
the
mangroves
without
damaging
the
mangroves
okay.
So
with
that
being
said,
I
would
like
the
approval
from
the
board
to
install
the
pilings
with
that
cost.
G
So
we
have
any
discussion
yeah
so
kathy.
I
I'm
just
so
against
this
and
and
the
reason
for
that
is
it's
a
self-perpetuating
cycle.
Every
time
we
put
these
pilings
in
somebody
comes
out
there
and
trims.
The
mangroves
back
illegally
leaves
the
brush
in
a
big
pile,
which
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
thing
there
and
then
we're
left
with
an
even
greater
problem
of
of
water
flowing
in
through
that
cut.
D
G
C
C
C
D
And
mr
herring
tim,
let
me
let
me
explain
to
you
when
we,
when
we
spoke
with
dep
and
explain
the
issue
and
explain
to
them
that
you
know
this
is
getting
wider
because
of
people
cutting
back
the
mangroves
and
widening
it
with
their
boats,
prop
dredging
or
whatever
that's
when
they
suggest
that
we
try
to
place
as
many
pilings
as
we
could
as
close
to
the
mangroves
as
we
possibly
could.
D
D
D
No,
we
think
that
that's
a
safety
issue,
that's
like
clotheslining,
so
but
the
five
foot.
A
H
A
You
know
charlie
says
you
know,
let's
ask
the
sheriff's
department,
our
police
department,
whoever
to
maybe
you
know,
increase
patrol,
but
it's
going
to
be
very
haphazard.
Maybe
we
can
ask
the
community
to
if
they
see
anybody
trimming
their
hands
to
take
a
picture
or
something
with
their
phones.
A
H
H
H
Well,
we
removed
the
doors
off
the
line,
and
originally
there
was
nothing
in
the
way
of
pilings
there
and
I'd
like
to
see
what,
where
the.
D
D
D
D
What
was
there
before
was
there
was
a
big,
a
row
of
rip-rap,
and
that
was
to
help
with
water
quality
from
what
I
understand
so
what
they
wanted
to
do
is
they
wanted
to.
We
had
to
take
the
rip,
wrap
out
and
replace
it
with
pilings,
and
that
is
right.
Here,
item
number
14.:
okay,
the
pilings
shall
be
placed
on
five
foot
centers
to
allow
free
movement
of
manatees,
but
prevent
navigation.
D
Okay,
that's
how
that's
the
sentence.
That's
highlighted,
but
I'll.
If
you'd
like,
I
can
read
it
from
the
top
as
a
means
to
provide
additional
flushing
between
the
canal
system
and
the
south
branch
of
alligator
creek.
The
permitties
shall
remove
the
riprap
at
the
entrance
of
the
mosquito,
ditch
as
shown
on
the
attached
drawings
and
install
pilings.
D
The
pilings
shall
be
placed
on
five
foot
centers
to
allow
free
movement
of
manatees,
but
prevent
navigation.
The
rip
wrap
will
be
used
as
fill
material
in
the
deep
portions
of
the
canal
unless
used
for
other
appropriate
purposes.
Under
this
permit,
the
piling
shall
be
installed
and
maintained
so
that
they
project
at
least
three
feet
above
mean
high
water
and
be
conspicuously
marked
the
permit.
The
permittee
shall
submit
a
construction
plan
detailing
the
installation,
method
and
placement
location
of
the
pilings.
This
plan
shall
be
submitted
for
department
approval
prior
to
the
removal
of
riprap.
D
D
C
D
C
G
G
G
D
I
Yeah
and
for
the
record,
gary
disher,
we
did
speak
with
dep
about
armoring,
either
end
with
riprap
right
and,
unfortunately,
then
you're
getting
into
all
too
selfish
issues,
so
you'd
have
to
permit
through
the
army
corps
it
was
a
whole
different
realm
of
permitting,
but
there
was
discussion
of
putting
riprap
for
armament
at
each
end
to
try
to
hold
the
banks
because
of
the
scour,
which
is
I
mean,
like
you
said,
it's
it's
going
to
continue
to
scour.
It's
done
it
already.
I
D
B
G
G
G
D
B
E
B
O
Hi
brian
bender
3956
san
pedro
court,
so
my
question
is:
is
it
illegal
to
navigate
a
boat
through
there.
O
As
a
kayaker,
I
have
seen
boats
pretty
regularly
going
in
and
out
of
there,
so
it's
not
marked
that
it's
illegal
to
navigate
a
boat
through
there.
If
you
have
a
boat
that
you're
not
worried
about
running
aground
you're
a
shallow
enough
draft,
you've
got
plenty
of
room
to
get
through
there,
so
we
should
sign
it
for
one
and
as
far
as
enforcement
goes,
I
agree
with
all
the
comments.
D
M
D
I
So
we
could
go
down
that
road.
If
so,
if
you
guys
so
desired,
we
would
right.
We
would
bring
the
consultant
on
board.
We've
got
our
master
permitting
agreement.
We
would
have
to
write
that
out
as
a
separate
scope
to
then
apply
for
them
to
or
have
them
then
engineer
and
apply,
for
the
permitting
of
that
river
is
how
that
one
would
go.
M
D
G
D
You
know,
I
think
it's
a
conversation
you
need
to
have
with
our
police
department.
I
don't
know
if
a
volunteer
marine
patrol
is
something
that
you
all
could
put
together.
I
don't
know
if
it's
people
that
live
adjacent
to
the
property
take
pictures
and
they
follow
up
on
it.
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
to
to
all
that,
because
I
don't
know
what
their
rules
and
laws
are.
Okay,
but
I
think
it's
a
conversation
you
need
to
have
with
the
police
department.
A
Got
a
you
know,
suggestion
to
maybe
come
back
at
the
next
meeting
with
a
proposal.
If
that's
what
you
want
to
call,
or
at
least
a
review
of
what
what
we're
talking
about
in
in
the
permitting
process
for
riprap
and
the
timeline,
maybe
you
know
just
as
a
general
discussion
point,
maybe
not
go
through
the
formal
proposal
part,
but
at
least
let's
see
what
we're
talking
about.
A
You
know
it
may
be
a
50
000
process
and
it
may
take
five
years
and
then,
but
at
least
we'll
have
something
that
that
we
can
then
say
do
we
want
to
do
this
or
this
or
this,
and
it
may
be
that
we
would
rather
spend
six
thousand
dollars
every
ten
years
or
every
five
years,
as
opposed
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
permanent
plus
another
fifty
or
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
for
rip
rap.
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
just
you
know
at
least
you'd.
A
A
For
kathy
to
come
back
with
a
review
of
our
options,
long-term
solution
to
the
erosion,
possibly
rip,
rap
signage,
what
other
options
we
may
have
to
to
cut
down
on
this?
This
cycle
that
we're
into
so.
G
D
Well,
we've
already
had
that
meeting
with
them,
so
they
didn't
say
I
had
a
time
frame,
but
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
be
waiting
for
our
permit.
D
Again,
where
the
uplands
are
on
these,
where
these
mangroves
are
these
mangroves
are
trimmed
very
close
to
the
uplands.
They
would
have
to
shovel
out
that
material,
so
so
it
would
take
them
a
while
to
go
out
there
and
trim
back
the
mangroves
and
then
start
shoveling
is
my
thought.
Okay,
I
could
be
wrong.
It's
just
my
thought,
but
I
I
will
do
whatever
it
is.
You
guys
want
yeah.
G
No,
I
want
to
do
the
right
thing,
but
yeah
again
I
mean
the
water
on
that
left
hand
side
there.
If
you
go
and
you
sound
that
that
is
over
10
feet,
deep
right
now,
all
right.
So
it's
already
doing
a
very
effective
job
at
scouring
out
the
root
system
and
the
dirt
that,
in
theory,
should
be
held
by
the
mangroves.
C
K
G
Charlie,
I'm
not
arguing
that
at
all
what
I'm
arguing
is
the
second
we
put
a
post
in
within
a
week
we'll
have
somebody
out
there
working
their
way
to
open
that
back
up
again
right.
Do
we
have
a
solution?
That's
a
permanent
solution,
rather
than
just
a
temporary
fix.
If
we
put
the
posts
in
right
now
and
we
don't
come
back
and
say
we
have
permits
for
rip
raps
or
signs
or
any
of
that
other
stuff.
B
F
I
I
Maybe
we
could
go
and
not
cap
it,
but
set
maybe
a
sea
wall
panel
or
two
at
those
corners
to
hold
that
line.
You
know,
drive
them
down
to
the
mangrove
elevation
similar
to
what
we
did
at
buckley's
pass,
not
cap
them.
Just
a
free
set
sea
wall
panel
problem
with
riprap
is,
if
you're
starting
from
10
feet
deep,
you
have
to
pile
the
toe
of
that
rip,
wrap
out.
It
just
covers
a
huge
bottom
of
the
bottom
surface
area
and
that's
what
the
resource
officers
don't
want
to
see.
I
G
Yeah,
whatever
the
right
solution
is
gary,
but
I'm
just
stunned
at
how
much
this
has
changed
in
the
seven
years
we've
been
here,
you
know
and
that
water
is
really
moving
through
there
now.
I
C
F
Yes,
rich
pivak,
617,
macedonia
and
I've
been
there
a
little
over
two
years
and
when
I
first
came
the
left-hand
side
here
was
much
narrower
in
two
years
and
it
was
due-
and
I
was
talking
to
dep.
F
He
said
that
if
these
boats
go
through
there,
they're
prop
dry
gene
and
if
you
put
the
pilings
in
it'll,
prevent
that
and
I'd
be
more
than
willing,
because
I've
seen
people
cut
those
mangroves
I've
seen
them
run
into
the
mangroves
and
I'd
be
more
than
happy.
I've
even
got
pictures
over
here
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
relate
that
to
you
every
time.
I
see
that.
F
That's
fine
I'll,
be
more.
I've
had
the
police
out
there,
I've
had
people
tie
up
to
the
mangroves
and
unless
I
catch
them,
unless
they
come
you're
right,
unless
they
come,
they
can't
and
catch
them.
They
can't
do
a
thing
about
them.
You're
right,
but-
and
I
was
told
that
my
photographs
don't
count-
I
don't
know
if
that's
right
or
wrong,
but
I'll
be
more
than
willing
to
do
that.
F
I've
had
my
I've.
Had
my
my
my
boat
lift
my
dock
run
into
because
people
come
through
there
and
can't
control
their
boats
and
I've
had
damage
done.
I've
reported
it
to
the
police
department
also.
F
Yeah
the
consent
order
was
signed
by
the
burnt
store
advisory
district.
F
D
D
So
the
first
paragraph
states
in
the
binding
agreement
that
the
bernster
isles
canal
maintenance
district,
also
known
as
the
district
and
the
state
of
florida
department
of
environmental
protection,
also
known
as
the
department
agrees,
is
the
following
and
those
were
all
those
stipulations.
There
was
a
lot
of
stipulations,
yeah.
F
B
C
B
D
Just
to
clarify
on
the
signs,
because
it
it's
I'll,
have
to
do
some
research.
Are
we
looking
for
signs
that
says
it
is
illegal
to
navigate
through
this
area
or.
G
I
think
just
two
things
I
think
number
one:
it's
not
legal
to
navigate
through
a
with
a
power
boat
through
there
and
number
two
you
know
disturbing
a
wetland
or
taking
out
mangroves
is
a
federal
offense
and
I
don't
know
what
the
penalties
are
for
that,
but
expensive.
H
I
G
F
D
F
It
was,
it
was
rich
b,
617
macedonia.
It
was
my
understanding
that
the
police
officer
prior
to
officer
trufon,
told
me
that
it
was
if
I
would
take
pictures
of
people
that
were
either
parked
moored
or
going
through.
Not
specifically
for
this
that
I
could
send
them
to
him
and
he
actually
followed
up
and
went
to
people's
houses.
C
F
I
I
Okay,
okay
and
then,
who
knows
what
fwc
permitting
coast
guard
permanent,
whichever
one
it's.
D
C
F
As
you
can
see,
rich
pva
617
macedonia
is
it
necessary
to
put
signs
up?
F
F
F
So
that
would
be
my
recommendation,
but
that
it
it's
not
necessary.
O
Brian
bender
3956
npho,
just
as
another
suggestion,
I
actually
think
that
some
of
the
violators
don't
even
know
they're
violating
by
going
through
there.
So
we
need
a
communication
that
goes
out.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
right
form
is.
I
would
suggest
the
bsia.
You
know
community.
O
To
start
for
sure,
that
makes
it
clear
that
that's
a
violation
to
go
through
that
cut
and.
B
B
O
C
D
L
Just
for
the
record
bob
nichola,
I
was
reviewing
the
code
and
you
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
volunteers
and
what
they
can
do
and
what
they
can't.
In
section,
one
114
d
is
in
dog.
L
L
This
provision
does
not
in
any
manner
authorize
or
empower
such
volunteers
to
act
as
law
enforcement
officers
or
or
perform
law
enforcement
functions
under
faith,
federal
state
or
local
law.
So
again,
I
think
if,
as
mr
bevac
said,
you
know
that
that
may
be
the
the
opening
there
is
to
say
to
the
police
chief.
L
I
I
F
B
C
I
All
right
so
our
seawall
study,
johnson
or
johnson
taylor,
engineering
and
canal
maintenance
staff,
public
works
staff
went
and
represented
the
city
council.
On
january
20th
I
sent
the
video
links
to
everybody
hope
we
all
had
a
chance
to
review
that
out
of
that,
council
was
obviously
hesitant
to
approve
the
additional
funding
at
this
time
that
the
boards
had
recommended
both
bsi
and
pgi.
They
were
hesitant
to
do
that
and
they
had
requested
the
cacs
to
obtain
additional
public
input.
I
So
for
us
here
today
I
guess
opened
a
discussion
based
on
based
on
what
y'all
saw
on
those
videos
and
how
would
you
like
to,
I
guess,
move
forward.
C
I
was
going
to
suggest-
maybe
you
and
I
can
get
together
next
week-
put
together
a
powerpoint
presentation
explaining
the
results
of
the
study
and
what
what's
going
to
happen.
If
we
continue
doing
the
460
a
year
in
at
a
thousand
linear
feet
a
year
replacement
versus
going
up
a
hundred
dollars
to
560,
where
she
could
do
what
was
it
like,
1300
or
linear
feet?
I
believe
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
game
to
replace
these
aging
sea
walls.
C
I
I
We
can
definitely
give
that
a
shot
or
look
at
the
options,
but
maybe
even
something
like
I
think,
city
managers
doing
with
on
their
zoning,
where
they
were
doing
a
little
webinar
thing
where
people
could
log
in
via
online
instead
of
a
physical
workshop
for
folks
to
show
up,
maybe
even
some
more
information
on
the
website.
C
C
Gary
brewster
was
the
chair
of
this
committee
and
he
did
a
big
presentation
like
that
when
we
needed
the
dredge,
the
rim
canal
of
burnt
storlows,
and
he
did
it,
he
had
it
at
the
church
on
41.
I
was
there.
I
remember.
C
Yeah,
but
maybe
if
we
did
it
and
invited
everybody
to
the
venue
and
also
re
had
it
online,
maybe
that,
because
we
got
to
try
to
get
the
message
out
somehow
and
just
putting
it
in
the
newsletter,
everybody
doesn't
read
it
and
if
they
read
it,
everybody
doesn't
understand
it.
I
think
it'd
be
better.
Do
a
presentation
and
answer
questions.
G
B
G
If
I
look
at
this-
and
I
think
of
it
from
one
the
comments
that
were
made
by
councilman
kerry
and
councilwoman
or
councilwoman
carrying
councilwoman
matthews,
they
were
fundamentally
against
two
things,
and
the
first
thing
I
heard
was,
you
know,
no
increases,
they
didn't
want
any
increases
and
the
second
thing
they
were
against
was
bringing
something
to
the
public
that
hadn't
been
run
by
city
council.
First,
that's
what
I
heard
out
of
the
comment
on
defending
decisions
by
councilwoman
kerry.
G
G
We
have
the
one
which
is
just
do
what
we're
doing
today
correct
and
let
things
run
out
and
at
the
other
extreme,
it's
the
the
stepped
approach
that
was
recommended
by
taylor
engineering,
and
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
basically
build
a
pro
forma.
We
game
this
out
and
say:
if
we
open
the
lock.
This
is
how
much
it
costs
to
do
the
seat
ball.
If
we
don't
open
the
block.
G
G
Ways
because
until
you
put
it
in
black
and
white
for
people
in
terms
of
how
it's
going
to
affect
their
pocketbook
they're
just
going
to
second
guess,
you
know:
did
we
look
at
all
the
different
options
and
we
have
to
convince
them
that
you
know
we
understand
the
materials
technology
very
well.
We've
got
a
good
solution
for
that.
We
have
the
methods
for
reinforcement.
We
know
how
to
do
that.
G
G
I
Yeah
I
mean
in
essence,
we've
done
those
steps.
The
many
meetings
we've
had
on
this
one
topic
where
we've
come
in
and
brought
more
data
and
more
more
data
and
more
information.
Here's
the
costume.
What
the
taylor
study
if
they
went
right
up
to
the
full
22.5.
You
know
our
assessments
would've
gone
up.
What
was
it
a
thousand
plus
dollars
per.
I
Yeah
so
order
of
magnitude
difference,
but
I
know
that
wasn't
in
the
presentation
to
council
per
se,
but
we
thought-
and
you
guys
thought
and
that's
why
you
guys
made
the
decision.
You
did
hey.
Let's
just
let's
start
at
100.:
it's
not
that
big
number.
They
never
really.
That
number
wasn't
right
in
their
face
to
begin
with,
but
we
could
definitely
look
at
all
those.
So
you.
G
Some
of
the
decisions
that
we've
kind
of
kicked
the
can
on
right.
You
know:
do
we
need
the
lock?
I
think
we
do
need
to
open
the
lock.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
a
safety
issue
more
than
anything
else,
but
do
we
really
need
to
widen
those
corners
yeah?
You
know.
If
I
look
at
it,
I
went
and
counted
this
morning.
That's
less
than
one
percent
of
the
houses,
the
water,
the
less
than
one
percent
of
the
homes
on
the
water
within
burn
store.
While
I
think
it's
87
homes
are
restricted
by
the
finch.
I
Points
and
it
wasn't
the
homes
we
were
as
canal
maintenance-
we're
not
cons,
we're
not
concerned
with
the
homes
we're
considered
with
getting
a
fully
loaded
barge
around
them
corners
at
all
times
to
be
able
to
do
the
job.
So
once
those
lots
are
gone.
So
that
was
our
that's.
Why
that
project
was
brought
forward?
It's
not
so
that
homeowners
can
navigate
around
the
corners.
We
want
our
contractor
to
get
around
them
corners,
so.
I
Yep
I
mean
if
we
go
in
at
the
summer.
I
think
that
was
been
the
normal
when
we
move
in
in
the
summer,
because
we
got
higher
tides
and
we
can
mostly
push
all
you
know
throughout
the
subdivision.
If
the
work's
only
done
in
the
summer,
so
winter
lows
you
just
you
know
we
can't
get
around
yeah
you're
done.
We
can't
get
that
bar
dropping.
B
I
So
we
bring
them
in
sectionally
and
put
them
back
together
again
and
I'm
sure
you
all
have
seen
the
build
out.
I
know
bob
nikola
he's
going
out
and
done
a
lot
of
the
the
drainage
items
out
there
and
he'll
come
back
everybody's
like
I
just
pulled
down
this
street
that
you
know
the
four
vacant
lots
that
were
on
that
street
are
now
got
houses
going
up
on
them.
You
know
we're.
Just
lots
are
disappearing
like
crazy.
C
G
So
to
add,
you
know
if
we
just
took
the
and
again
if
we
took
the
sea
walls
and
said
purchased
five
vacant
lots.
There
was
on
zillow
and
this
is
a
month
old.
But
you
know
the
impact
of
that
on
everybody.
We'd
be
paying
55
bucks
additional
per
housing
unit
per
year.
D
G
D
We
took
it
to
the
council
and
they
also
agreed
that
we
that's
an
option:
we're
not
going
to
do
right.
Okay,
so
we're
we're
looking
at
there's
some
property
along
alligator
creek
that
might
be
viable.
So
we're
we're
looking
at
that.
Okay,
there's
other,
probably
the
commercial
property
that
gary
discussed
so.
G
A
H
A
The
big
grip
that
is
a
very
tight
corner,
even
at
high
tide-
I
don't
know
if
you
go
that
way
or
not,
but
I
in
the
last
I'm
going
to
say
two
and
a
half
months
or
so.
I've
witnessed
personally
witnessed
two
different
instances
of
boats
literally
almost
running
into
one
another,
and
actually
one
vote
slammed
is
you
know
into
reverse
and
backed
into
the
mangroves,
because
it's
almost
a
blind
intersection.
A
I
mean
our
blind
corner
right
there
and
I
consider
that
a
safety
issue,
I'm
sure
the
barge
has
a
tremendous
problem
navigating
that
first
turn.
So
you
know,
I
think
there
are
reasons.
Maybe
not
all
of
the
corners
are
as
bad
as
that
one
and
I
haven't
personally
seen
all
of
the
corners
out
there,
but
that's
that
was
one
that
for
me
to
have
seen.
Boats
literally
come
almost
point
to
point
and
to
avoid
an
accident,
you
can
see
that
something's
gonna
happen
right
there,
that's
just
from
a
safety
perspective.
A
I
At
now,
remember
back
in
the
day
the
this
developer
never
intended
this.
You
know
I
bet
shoot
a
quarter
of
the
boats
that
are
in
the
subdivision.
Now
wouldn't
even
be
here.
If
they
had
to
go
through
the
original
lot,
because
the
lock
was
it
was
at
40,
foot,
gate
to
gate
or
45
foot
gate
to
gate,
and
you
know
much
nearer
so
it
never
was
intended
to
have
the
boats
that
are
in
there
now
in
there,
just
based
on
sheer
size
of
the
lock.
So
that's
the
narrowness
of
the
perimeter
channel.
I
And
I
know
if
it
doesn't
happen
because,
of
course,
we're
getting
very
close
or
if
we're
not
already
starting
into
our
budgeting
process,
we're
working
on
cips,
now
kind
of
building
that
model
out
most
likely
by
the
sounds
of
it.
This
discussion
could
take
longer
than
the
the
couple
of
months
we
have
to
prepare
the
budgets
and
if
city
council,
you
know,
if
we
don't
have
everything
figured
out
as
to
y'all's
liking.
I
D
To
let
you
know,
yeah
we're
going
to
proceed
with
budget
as
normal.
Okay,
we're
not
going
to
do
any
increases
just
because
we
don't
have
the
time
frame.
Okay,
so
because
we
need
to
come
up
up
with
a
plan
here
for
our
public
input
and
stuff
like
that.
So.
E
D
I
So
you
guys
are
wanting,
like
you
said,
mr
harrigan,
you
want
obviously
a
more
data,
enriched
presentation
to
show
the
the
negative
side
and
the
positive
side.
G
I
A
A
But
again
you
still
come
back
to
well
at
some
point.
It
will
fail
yeah,
you
know
and
using
your
best
engineering
expertise
to
predict
when
that
failure
would
occur.
Chances
are
it's
not
going
to
occur,
the
failure
it
won't
occur
then
it
will
occur
before
or
after
and
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
preparing
the
community
for
those
failures
and
sean.
I
think
it's
just
exactly
what
you're
saying
said:
look
you
know
it's
paying
an
hour
penny
later.
A
That
sort
of
thing
is
that
we
can
start
with
a
hundred
dollars
a
year
right
now.
You
know
and
we're
going
to
build
a
kitty
for
the
inevitable
whenever
that
is
and
we're
not
going
to
be
force
fishing
we're
going
to
be
taking
the
walls
out
before
they
fail
just
because
they've
met
their
service
life
per
se
right.
I
think
we
all
agree
on
that.
But
at
some
point
you
know,
if
you
don't
want
to
do
100
now,
okay,
five
years
down
the
road
it
may
be
1700
or
worse,
you
know
or
whatever.
A
That
number
is
so,
as
you
say,
let's
just
put
put
the
numbers
out
there
and
say
guys:
here's
your
option
if
you've
got
a
vote
under
whatever
the
case
is,
then
you
know
we'll
see
where
it
goes.
It's
just
game
theory.
I
I
Yeah
we'll
put
together,
I
guess
some
more
data
for
you,
I'll
look
back
through
our
previous
meetings.
Some
of
the
items
we've
prepared
the
taylor
study.
They
are
going
to
be
sending
us
back
the
final
study.
They
have
all
my
comments
and
staff's
comments,
they're
incorporating
those
into
the
final
study,
so
we
will
have
because
council
did
accept
everything
except
spending
the
money.
I
This
item
yeah,
I
think
we're
good
to
go
we'll
we'll
come
back
with
some
more
information
and
okay.
If
anybody
else
has
any
ideas
by
all
means
fire
an
email
not
to
everybody,
but
if
you
you
can
work
directly
one-on-one
for
with
staff
to
avoid
sunshine
rules
or
not
rules,
but
to
avoid
breaking
sunshine
rules.
D
L
G
C
I
Okay
and
so
we're
good
on
the
seawall
agenda
item.
Okay,
one
thing
we
need
to
do
that.
We
skipped
on
the
agenda.
We
set
the
next
scheduled
meeting
date.
We
pushed
that
off
until
the
end
of
the
meeting.
I
know
we're
not
quite
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
but
we
only
have
committee
board
comments
and
another
round
of
citizen
comments.
I
don't
see
a
committee
and
board
comments.
C
I
C
I
P
Good
afternoon
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pena
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doc
7x15
dock,
with
par
marine
in
november
of
2019,
a
new
construction
and
had
him
out
there
a
few
months
ago
to
install
a
boat
lift,
and
he
told
me
even
elevert-
lift,
would
not
be
able
to
be
put
in
there.
Based
on
the
new
ordinance
that
was
passed
with
the
navigable
channel
of
being
40
foot
wide.
P
I've
had
three
three
contractors:
keesley
marine
marine
contracting
group
and
par
marine,
come
out
there
and
they
say,
based
on
the
new
ordinance,
I
cannot
put
a
boat
lift
in
my
property,
a
little
frustrated,
to
say
the
least,
because
I
have
a
dock
that
goes
out.
Almost
nearly
eight
foot
total
with
the
pilings
and
even
with
the
oliver
lift
being
placed
in
there,
the
with
the
arms
being
out
they
would
exceed.
P
I
believe
they
said
about
five
and
a
half
feet
is
all
I
have
for
navigable
channel
purposes,
so
I'm
at
a
loss
on
what
to
do
and
how
to
proceed
with
this
without
having
to
pay
exorbitant
fees
for
special
permitting
to
get
all
this
possibly
taken
care
of,
and
I'm
kind
of
trying
to
reach
out
to
find
out
what
process.
I
need
to
do
to
keep
this
adamant.
P
Like
I
said
I
just
put
the
the
boat
back
in
or
the
dock
in
and
I'd
hate
to
put
a
boat
out
there
and
birth
it
or
I'm
allowed
to,
and
yet
it's
going
to
cause
a
hazard
for
other
boats
trying
to
get
through
that
area
of
macedonia,
and
I
really
don't
want
to
have
to
do
that,
and
so.
P
591
macedonia,
I'm
about
five
houses
down
from
mr
vivec
to
the
east.
I
O
P
Yeah,
oh
okay,
so
yeah
and
again
they're.
Looking
at
that
and
they're,
basically
also
again
on
on
what
I
have
to
deal
with:
it's
not
they're,
not
touching
it
and
again
I
don't
know
what
cost
that's
going
to
incur.
I
mean
again,
I
just
put
in
a
dock.
That's
eight
foot,
nine
they're
saying
that
even
a
five,
only
five
and
a
half
foot
are
basically
what
I'm
dealing
with
it's
not
possible
to
put
an
elevator
in
there.
P
So
I
don't
know
how
to
proceed
with
this.
What
the
proper
process
is
without
having
to
spend
thousands
of
extra
dollars
to
have
this,
come
before
the
board
and
say:
oh
sorry,
you
know,
based
on
the
new
ordinance,
you're
sol,
pardon
the
french,
but
you
know
I
just
I'm
looking
for
answers
and
that's
what
I
thought
this
would
be
the
the
starting
point
for
me.
P
I
did
he
and-
and
there's
like
I
said,
there's
several
exceptions.
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
live
in
in
the
aisles
burn,
store
aisles,
you
have
to
have
a
boat
lift
if
you
have
a
boat,
so
I'm
just
kind
of
like
at
a
loss
on
what
I'm
gonna
get
a
boat
and
then
I'm
gonna
put
it
on
my
die,
I
mean
even
for
short
term
purposes.
P
It's
going
to
cause
it's
possibly
going
to
cause
some
issues
for
other
boats
trying
to
get
through
the
you
know,
there's
some
big
boats
going
through
that
channel
and
I'm
not
looking
to
put
a
behemoth
boat
in
there
24
for
25
foot
boat.
But
there
are
some
big
boats
going
through
there
and
even
the
barges.
If
I
have
something
parked
there,
it's
going
to
hold
up
traffic
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
do
that
so.
B
P
So,
basically,
from
what
I
was
told
by
par
marine
after
he
shot
it
with
this
the
thing,
so
you
have
a
51
feet,
the
navigable
channel,
40
foot,
you
take
the
11
foot
remaining,
so
you
have
five
foot
on
each
side
because
they,
you
know,
you
have
five
and
a
half
feet
on
each
side
of
the
the
channel
that
I
can
go
out.
So
they
said
I
can't
put
a
boat
lift
in
so.
I
P
H
P
G
Yeah,
you
know
I
have
great
empathy
for
the
situation
you're
in
I
I
think
the
issue
that
was
in
front
of
us
was
when
we
went
through
this
whole
discussion
was,
was
really
about
safety
of
boats
passing
through
that
area
there,
and
how
do
you
actually
get
them
through?
G
Okay,
you
know
the
barge
is
not
withstanding.
I
think
the
barge
at
this
point
is
28
feet.
Is
that
right.
I
G
Yeah,
28
and
and
the
channel
on
both
sides
is
for
lack
of
a
better
word
chamfered
to
to
provide
you
know
you
just
can't
have
a
a
straight
up
and
down
wall
and
and
by
way
of
doing
that,
I
think
we
ended
up
at
you
know
what
we
required
was
40
feet
to
get
boats
through
there.
I
And
that
the
the
six
foot
bottom,
we
were
able
to
start
the
sea
wall.
We
came
out
seven
feet
flat,
whatever
the
existing
berm
was
and
we
could
start
dredging
there
at
our
belief,
two
to
one
slope.
It's
been
a
few
years
two
to
one
slope
down
until
we
hit
negative
seven
point:
zero
five
feet
in
gvd
and
then
we
came
across
the
bottom.
A
little
bit
flat
bottom
came
off
the
mangroves,
they
let
us
start
digging
at
the
drip
edge
and
we
came
down
at
two
to
one
whatever
was
left
in
the
middle.
I
If
that
was
you
know
two
feet
wide
or
if
it
was
30
feet
wide.
That's
what
we
were
able
to
cut
for
that
channel
so
because
we
couldn't
encroach
on
any
of
the
mangroves
and
if
we
had
any
rock
edge
or
anything
like
that,
we
couldn't
cut
anything
there
and
on
the
seawall
side
we
couldn't
get
any
closer
to
the
seawall
than
the
seven
feet,
or
else
we
would
undermine
the
sea
walls.
The
barn
would
slough
off
and
then
our
walls
would
end
up
in
the
in
the
bottom.
I
So
that's
the
the
crux
of
that
perimeter
channel
is
it's
it's
variable
and
it's
where
the
real
depth
of
the
water
is
so.
I
P
Back,
I'm
not
sure
there
wasn't
no
change
in
that
there
wasn't
no
change
in
the
the
ordinance
when
I
purchased
that
property
and
again
had
I
known
something
like
that,
I
could
have
bought
on
the
golf
course
and
saved
myself
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
you
know
I
want
to
be
on
the
water.
I
want
to
have
a
boat
and
it's
not
only
for
me.
It's
for
all
the
other
people
that
that
are
that
are
the
vacant,
lots
that
are
still
there
or
people
that
have
houses
that
have
had
houses.
P
P
You
know
it's
for
whatever
reason,
if
it's
the
bigger
boats
we're
complaining
about
trying
to
get
through
there
or
what,
but
I'm
not
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
solution
on
how
to
do
this
without
having
to
spend
extra
thousands
of
dollars
that
I
shouldn't
have
to,
because
all
these
other
people
have
the
same
thing
already.
You
know
I'm
not
looking
to
go
past,
that
I'm
not
looking
at
right
to
do
something
like
that,
but
I
need
to
have
some
answers.
C
P
Two
feet
or
whatever
two
three
two
feet:
yeah
they're
gonna
need
about
the
same
amount
of
distance.
Again
I
don't
know
the
exact
bob
might
know
a
little
bit
more
about
those.
You
know
the
the
contractors
basically
says
sorry
based
on
the
ordinance.
I
can't
do
nothing
for
you,
so
it's
kind
of
like
I'm
trying
I'm
pulling
the
rest
of
my
hair
out.
L
For
the
record
bob
nicholaw-
and
I
I
met
mr
pena
actually
when
he
was
building
this
house,
and
we
we
didn't-
have
the
discussion
about
that
at
the
time.
But
since
he's
moved
in
we've
had
that
discussion
and
again
I
sent
him
the
bathymetric
survey.
L
I
sent
him
the
information
that
I
had
and
my
observation,
or
you
know,
as
you
said,
he's
got
a
doc.
That's
seven
feet
wide
that
was
legally
permitted,
but
now
the
coach
says
he
can
only
go
up
five
and
a
half
feet.
Well,
he's
already
got
something:
that's
seven
feet
out
from
the
wall,
but
building
as
I
understand
it's
or
you
know,
the
contractors
say
we
can
only
go
out
five
and
a
half
feet,
but
again
he's
already
got
a
legally
permitted
dock.
That
goes
out
seven.
L
So
I
think
he's
kind
of
in
a
in
an
awkward
position
by
saying
I've
already
got
something
that
sticks
out
farther
than
that.
Why
can't
I
go
out,
you
know
seven
feet
if
I'm
already
out
seven
feet-
and
you
know
I
I
explained
you
know
what
information
we
had
to
see.
If
that
channel
was
perhaps
you
know
on
one
side
or
the
other,
but
it
based
on
what
I
was
able
to
determine-
and
I
think
what
I
said
to
him-
that
channel
is
about
exactly
centered
in
the
in
the
waterway.
L
I
Yeah
before
they
changed
the
code,
yes,
now
have
you
have
you
looked
into
doing
the
like
the
davit
lifts,
where
it's
the,
where
the
boat
swings
up
and
over
the
land
like
they
used
to
use?
I
know
they.
I
don't
know
if
they
still
permit
them,
but
those
are,
I
know
they.
They
call
them
super
bases,
and
I
know
what
you're
talking
about.
P
Yeah,
you
know
on
a
boat
that
side,
I
don't
think
it's
a
very
feasible.
But
again
I
don't.
I
don't
know
I'm
just
you
know.
So
I'm
just
looking
at
again.
There's
there's
exceptions
in
there
saying
if
you
live
there,
you
have
a
boat,
you're
required
to
have
a
boat
lift,
and
now
how
can
that
you
know
you
can't
have
you
can't?
Have
it
both
ways?
So
I
got
to
figure
out
what
I
need
to
do.
L
And
having
been
there,
you
know,
while
the
home
was
being
built.
We
had
that
discussion
about.
You
know
at
some
point,
if
you
didn't
have
a
dock
behind
your
property
you're
required
to
have
your
boat
out
of
the
water
on
a
lift.
So
it's
my
understanding
that
that's
the
situation
that
he's
in
now,
because
there
was
no
dock
there
prior
to
him,
building
his
home,
and
so
you
know
by
by
that
code,
he's
required
if
he
has
a
boat,
it
has
to
be
out
of
the
water.
H
P
P
C
P
P
I
P
P
It's
in
the
up
position
when
they're
out
and
they're
extending
over
the
sea
wall
yeah
and
again,
I'm
just
going
by
what
they're
telling
me
based
on
they
haven't.
Even
given
me
a
quote
because
they
said
on
the
new
ordinance
and,
like
I
said
mike
already
left
mr
parr,
but
based
on
that
new
ordinance,
they
said
that
they
cannot
put
a
boat
lift
in
an
elevate
lift
because
of
the
arms
are
going
to
go
too
far
out
and.
P
H
P
And,
and
not
only
that,
but
like
I
said
I
wasn't
told
about,
I
I
think
I
talked
with
miss
kathy
there.
That's
her
name
on
the
phone
once
they
said
it
was
published.
They
said
that
all
the
boat
contractors
had
an
idea.
When
I
talked
and
said
no,
they
were
asked
if
they
want
to
participate
in
this
possible
new
thing,
but
they
didn't
know
what
these
changes
were
going
to
be
because
nobody
knows
what
the
change
is
going
to
be
ahead
of
time.
I
I
P
C
C
Only
options
I
know
of
is
like
you
mentioned
one
is
to
get
the
ordinance
change,
which
takes
two
to
three
years.
The
other
would
be
a
special
permit
which
this
board
could
approve
to
go
further
out
than
seven
feet,
which
I
don't
know
if
anybody
would
vote
yes
or
no,
but
if
he's
already
got
a
dock
that
goes
out.
J
C
I
don't
see
where
it
would
hurt
if
the
forks
went
out
to
eight
feet
if
they'd
be
next
to
it,
not
on
the
outside
of
it.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
board
would
approve
that
or
not,
because
that
would
take
a
special
permit
on
your
behalf
to
get
it
before
this
board.
That's
the
only
two
options
I
know
of
yeah
and.
P
All
like
I
said
had
I
you
know,
had
even
part
marine:
they
they
never
bothered,
saying
anything
saying
because
they
knew
what
our
plans
were,
but
we're
paying
for
things
as
we
go
and
they
said
well,
you
might
want
to
get
this
done
now,
because
this
is
what's
going
to
happen
later.
I
had
no
clue,
I
was.
They
said
that
they
didn't
know
about
it.
When
I
talked
to
him
three
or
four
months
ago,
I.
P
Yeah,
I
know
again
yeah
and
it's
not
just
him.
It
was
marine
contacting
group
and
kiesling
marine
and-
and
basically
I
talked
kiesling
sent
me
an
email
right
away.
Saying
can't
do
nothing
about
it.
He
sent
me
an
email
right
away
and
I
still
have
that
email.
You
know
two
three
months
ago
when
he
sent
it
to
me
saying
he
couldn't
even
do
do
anything
with
it.
C
P
C
I
P
P
A
There's
several,
I
guess
you
know
we
spent
some
time
today
going
through
the
special
permitting
process.
They
had
the
drawings
done.
They
presented
it
to
us,
and
we've
commented
on
that
and
in
this
case
here
I
would
recommend
that
he
get
back
with
mike
or
marine
contract
or
whoever
and
go
through
that
special
permitting
process.
Let's
see
what
we're
talking
about
here,
it's
you
can
you
can
say
if
it's
this
or
this
well
okay,
but
I
really
would
like
to
see.
C
C
G
G
P
Place
this
whole
subdivision,
with
the
antenna
boats
going
through
there
and
now
you're
having
bigger
boats
and
they're
the
ones
that
are
probably
complaining
about
not
being
able
to
safely
get
there
and
again,
I'm
not
saying
that
big
boat
owners
shouldn't
be
driving
through
there,
but
I'm
just
saying
that
these
these
lots
were
put
in
place
to
have
boats
put
in
and
to
have
lifts
in
place,
and
I'm
not
looking
for
a
four-post
lift
to
come
out.
You
know
15-20
feet.
P
P
G
Yeah-
and
I
I'm
not
sure
we
have
them
for
you.
Unfortunately,
I
I
think
the
answer
is
that
you
know
not
only
the
bigger
boats
going
through,
but
you
know
we
ran
into
the
situation
when
the
sea
walls
went
down
in
17
after
the
storm.
We
couldn't
even
get
anybody
to
bid
on
replacing
the
sea
walls
within
burn
store
isles
because
they
couldn't
get
a
big
barge
in.
I
L
P
L
It's
almost
like
the
dock.
That's
there
would
provide
that
that
visual,
that
hey
there's
there's
something
behind
it.
You
know
eight
feet
but
again
I
understand
that
you
know
our
code
says
if
and
and
here's
the
thing
if
the
contractors
are
looking
at
that
going.
Oh
well
and
looking
at
an
aerial
that
says:
oh,
it's
only
51
feet
wide,
they
may
in
their
head,
say:
oh,
it
can
only
go
up
five
and
a
half
feet
and
without
actually
going
to
the
site
and
saying
well,
there's
already
a
dock
here.
B
P
Mr
nicholas
sent
me
the
bathymetric
survey:
that's
pretty
much
center
of
that
channel.
Okay,
so
again
it
just.
I
mean
I
just
don't
know
what
you
know.
What
needs
to
be
done.
The
two
these
people
here
just
bought
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
they
were
talking
about
building-
and
you
know
I
haven't
talked
to
them
since
then,
but
they
might
not
be
able
to
put
a
boat
lifting
either
now
or
whatever,
but
we
can
have
boats
in
the
aisles.
P
P
Well,
temporarily,
for
loading
off
loading,
but
again
and
even
or
you
can
go,
get
part
of
that
states
below
that
that
you
can
get
a
through
the
county
of
charlotte
or
charlotte,
where
you
can
for
long-term
birthing.
You
can
so
again,
I
I
don't
know
what
to
do
and
a
special
permit
would
then
cause
you
know.
I
I
understand
that
it's
going
to
cause
extra
money,
but
then
there's
also
extra
drawing
costs
and
all
this
other
stuff
for
something
that
is
already
my
doc's
already
there.
I.
I
I
I
I'm
not
quite
sure
why,
but
it
was
interpreted
a
little
differently
and
ish
permits
were
issued
and
we
ended
up
with
with
stuff
like
that,
and
that's
just
going
to
be
next
to
not
impossible,
but
it
makes
it
very
difficult
for
us,
as
canal
maintenance
or
the
city
as
canal
maintenance,
to
maintain
the
system
with
all
the
big
lifts
sticking
out
along
the
way
very
difficult
for
sure.
P
I
P
I
That
lands
in
the
special
permitting
and
then
at
the
time
that
the
board
here
has
a
ability
to
review
those
documents.
Then
they
make
that
decision.
You
know
from
a
staff
standpoint
like
bob
prepares
the
exhibits
or
the
the
documentation,
but
if
it's
once
staff's,
not
the
deciding
factor,
it's
a
board.
Okay.
That
makes
that
decision
so.
L
L
L
K
L
L
E
I
just
I'm
sorry,
I'm
listening,
obviously,
and
I
just
want
to
make
you
aware
you
know,
with
this
special
exception,
we
would
need
a
public
hearing
and
even
if
the
board
is
okay
with
it,
we
still
have
possibility
of
neighbors.
B
H
Yeah,
well,
you
got
further
complications
because
taxes,
for
example,
if
there
are
a
lot
of
with
this
new
code,
if
there
are
a
lot
of
houses
and
empty
lots
that
can't
put
in
a
lift,
I
would
certainly
go
to
the
taxman
and
say
I
want
my
taxes
lowered,
because
my
property
value
went
down.
H
I
B
H
I
Not
at
all,
no
because
it's
all
I
mean
you
can
always
put
a
we've,
permit
them.
Well,
maybe
not
in
this
board,
but
there's
several.
You
know
they
do
the
single
post,
jet
ski
lift
that
picks
the
jet
ski
up
and
sets
it
on
the
dock
and
that's
a
popular
thing
in
the
pgi
canal
system.
So
I
mean
a
lift,
can
be
put
there,
but
it
just
happens
to
be
for
a
jet
ski.
So
it
depends
on
the
size
of
the
watercraft.
H
B
A
A
25
last
year,
so
it's
nothing
new
to
us
to
review
special
permit
applications,
and
I
I
what
I'm
still
recommending
is
he
has
to
submit
for
a
special
permit
and
and
which
would
then
outline
exactly
what
we're
talking
about,
and
I
think
there's
enough
history
and
evidence
out
here.
That
suggests
what
you
would
be
reasonable,
but
I
mean
that's
why
we
exist,
is
to
review
and
and
to
either
approve
or
disapprove
or
make
suggestions
after
we
see
that
special
permit
application.
P
I
And
I
know
they
may
state
that,
but
from
our
our
from
my
side
anyways,
I
know
we
we
had
that
stuff
published
in
so
many
different
places
and
probably
even
I
I
know
we
even
reached
out
to
them
for
direct
input.
So
the
changes
were
there
and
there
was
plenty
of
opportunity
for
everybody
to
look
at
those.
G
I
C
B
P
It's
going
to
also
affect
later
on,
like
I
said,
the
sales
of
houses,
the
sales
of
property
building,
and
it's
just
it's
a
never-ending
battle
and,
like
I
said,
had
I
known
this
ahead
of
time.
You
know
I
would
have
put
it
in
sooner,
but
you
didn't
know
what
was
going
on
and
I
feel
sorry
for
the
people
that
don't
have
boat
lifts
in
right
now.
So.
A
C
P
P
C
C
I
F
F
He's
our
neighbor
here
I
totally
agree
with
what
you're
saying
in
in
regards
to
this:
is
the
water
community
people
moved
here
for
that
when
I
first
bought
my
lot,
this
is
going
to
be
a
a
real
soar
for
the
real
estate
people
they're,
going
to
have
to
expose
that
this
water
cannot
have
a
boat
left
on
it,
and
I
think
you
got,
I
think,
you're
right.