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Punta Gorda Isles Canal Advisory Committee 08-27-2021
C
A
G
D
G
E
Even
if
you
think
you
might
just
it's
better
off
just
to
stand
up
and
do
it
do
you
solemnly
swear
our
farm
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
in
today's
all
proceedings
when
you're
ready
to
speak,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
indicate
you've
been
sworn.
Thank
you.
G
We
come
to
the
point
in
this
proceeding
where
we
ask
for
public
comments
on
agenda
items.
That
is
not
the
special
permits
or
any
of
the
other
special
things
that
we
deal
with.
There
will
be
a
public
hearing
later
in
the
agenda
for
all
of
that.
So
this
is
just
general
comments
about
any
items
that
you
would
like
to
speak
to.
G
G
jake
dye
moved
to
approve
second,
mr
koharsky
seconded
and
mr
kenobi
was
a
little
late,
but
that's
okay,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
those
two
minutes.
Please
say
aye.
F
E
A
In
your
budget
utilization,
were
there
any
questions
about
that?
We're
just
about
done
with
the
sea
wall
project.
We
did
have
one
seawall
failure.
I
brought
you
a
picture,
so
you
could
see
this
is
at
it
via
venice.
A
We
did
that's
the
only
seawall
failure
we
have
this
year,
so
we
do
have
enough
money
in
the
funds
to
pay
for
this
repair.
This
is
177
million
feet
of
sea
wall
that
will
be
replaced
so
on
september
4th
the
contractor
will
be
bringing
their
barge
under
the
bridge.
We
have
a
tide,
I
think
it's
like
at
9
30
at
night,
so
around
8
o'clock
at
night.
A
I
know
it's
a
holiday
weekend,
they'll
be
bringing
their
barge
under
the
sailfish
bridge
to
get
to
this
project,
but
we've
had
to
wait
to
repair
this
job
until
we
had
a
low
tide
to
get
that
barge
under
there,
which
it
works
out
really
well
for
the
property
owners
because
they
needed
time
to
take
the
all
their
lamp
posts
and
and
prepare
for
construction.
So
it
worked
out
really
well.
G
A
We
think,
according
to
our
assessment
reports,
because
the
the
tides
are
so
high
right
now,
we
think
it
was
an
oyster
line
break
because
it
was
noted
in
our
assessment
reports
that
there
was
a
crack
there.
So
that's
what
it
looks
like
right
there.
It
was
an
oyster
line,
break.
A
A
A
H
I
So
that's
been
on
there
for
a
while
and
after
it's
been
on
there
for
a
while
yeah
people
tend
to
not
see
it.
So
I
think
I
would
make
certain
that
somehow
we
make
sure
that
people
know
that
this
is
next
year's
list
and
they
can
look
at
it
in
advance,
because
I
think
that's
what
the
comments
were
that
we
got
before
is
that
they
wanted
to
see
it
before
it
became
final.
So
I
I
would
make
sure
that
we
get
it
that
people
are
aware
of
it
before
it
becomes
adopted.
A
I
Yeah,
that's
my
greg
puts
it
in
there
and
you
know
what
I
don't
look
at
it
anymore
unless
I'm
looking
for
something
because
it's
always
in
there-
and
I
know-
but
but
people
tend
to
do
that
and
I
think
they
just
want
to
right.
This
is
new
information.
This
isn't
the
same
old
same
old,
that's
been
there
forever.
So
I
think
we
need
to
make
some
effort
to
be
sure
that
people
know.
A
F
Jake
died,
the
the
this
is
pretty
good
timing.
You
know
this
year
for
the
completion
and-
and
everything
is
just
typical.
I
don't
remember
from
previous
years:
did
we
finish
early?
Do
we
have
to
slug
it
out
past?
I
don't
remember
how
that
was.
A
So,
like
last
year
was
probably
the
first
year
we
completed
our
program
on
time
this
year,
we're
always
trying
to
improve
ourselves.
So
this
year
we
started
early
putting
the
program
together
when
we
had
the
assessment
increases.
We
had
to
add
projects
to
our
program.
So
so
we
were.
We
were
right
on
top
of
things.
We
wanted
to
be
able
to
give
the
contractor
enough
time
to
send
out
the
notices,
so
people
could
prepare
their
properties
and
we
could,
you
know,
get
the
barges
in
the
water
october,
1st.
G
Other
comments
on
the
seawall
replacement
status
report:
no,
we
did
not
have
permits
authorized
by
city
staff
in
the
packet
so.
A
Correct
we
have
adopted
a
new
program
for
our
agendas
and
I
thank
you
guys
for
being
so
patient
for
getting
our
agendas.
I
know
we
were
a
little
late,
getting
them
out.
So
one
of
the
things
we
had
was
an
issue
downloading
that
report
for
the
permits.
So
I
don't
even
know
how
many
permits
were
out
there.
I
know
rit
department
is
still
working
on
that
particular
kink,
so.
G
Any
comments,
questions
on
permits
all
right,
capital
improvement
status
report.
J
Good
afternoon
for
the
record,
gary
disher
engineering,
our
capital
improvement
program
there
you
can
see,
we've
moved
the
spoilsite
channel
off
to
the
procurement
we've
initiated
that
specific
authorization
process
and
hans
wilson
has
gotten
back
to
us
he's
working
on
developing
the
scope
for
that
project.
J
Master
permit
agreement
status.
We
have
several
projects
on
there,
the
one
that's
I
guess
the
most
prevalent
would
be
the
seawall
one
we
did
finally
get
to
meet
with
the
army
corps
and
the
consultant
on
site.
I
took
them
and
we
toured
several
sites.
We
went
through
all
of
our
needs
yet
again
on
how
we
need
to
you
know,
permit
all
of
these
items
together
or
if
they
would
like
them
separate.
We
just
need
to
move
this
permit
forward
and
we
finally
got
a
good
game
plan
together.
J
Request
for
additional
information,
thank
you
and
I
guess
for
everybody.
Yeah
aco
is
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
nmfs
national
marine
fisheries
service,
ftep
florida
department
of
environmental
protection.
I
think
those
are
all
the
typical
ones.
We
use
all
right
any
questions
on
any
of
the
others.
We
did
move.
Obviously
the
spoilside
channel,
that
being
that
that
authorization
process
has
started.
That's
on
this
list
as
well,
once
that
becomes
a
real
po,
then
we'll
move
that
one
forward.
Okay,.
J
They
were
actually
good
with
us
consolidating
putting
the
riprap
any
mangroves
along
with
the
sea
wall,
permit
and
there's
actually
the
possibility
of
locking
or
linking
the
dredge
permitting
into
that
as
well
as
long
as
it
fits
within
the
jacks
bow
in
the
jacks
bow
jacksonville
biological
opinion,
but
through
the
national
and
fisheries
service.
If
we
can
make
dredging
fit
within
the
jacks
bow,
then
it's
going
to
be
that
much
cleaner
of
a
run,
so
we'll
only
have
to
go
through
one
run
through
national
marine
fishery
service
instead
of
multiples.
K
G
D
G
L
All
right
first
thing,
to
probably
note
is
there
were
two
additional
ccsps
that
were
advertised,
but
they
didn't
make
the
agenda
ccsp072021.
L
G
L
Okay,
all
right
I'd
like
for
the
record
brian
clemens
engineering,
public
works,
so
first
I'd
like
to
introduce
application
number
ccsp515.
L
The
applicant
and
I
apologize
if
I
mess
up
the
name,
robert
moralgo
moravio
of
lot,
one
block,
29,
section,
15.,
also
identified
as
221
belvedere
court
is
proposing
to
construct
a
dock,
a
four
piling
boat
lift
and
a
two
foot
wide
walkway
in
the
canal.
The
reason
for
the
special
permit
application
is
due
to
the
two
two
three
of
the
pilings,
a
portion
of
the
boat
lift
and
a
portion
of
the
walkway
being
outside
the
structure
limitation,
imitation
limitation
lines
per
the
submitted
drawings.
L
L
So
those
pilings
there's
two
pilings
that
land
on
the
line
I
chose
to
call
those
out.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
true
in
or
out
there,
but
to
be
safe,
called
those
out
plus
you
have
the
one
other
one
out
here.
That's
out,
you
have
a
portion
of
the
walkway
and
you
have
a
portion
of
the
lift
outside
of
the
structure
limitation
line,
which
is
the
45
degree.
L
N
N
I
don't,
I
also
came
up
with
a
same
similar
setup
for
her
she'd
have
to
redesign
it,
but
I,
when
I
was
thinking
of
it,
I
was
trying
to
keep
everything
to
the
right
side.
The
property
adjacent
to
the
right
has
the
boat
pulling
in
with
the
nose
toward
the
proposed
boat.
Lift.
So
that
doesn't
you
know
they?
Those
two
don't
compete
for
space.
N
N
N
I
N
N
G
K
I'm
I'm
a
bit
confused
which
direction
the
on
on
the
the
lot
right.
There.
N
I
think
no
matter
what
that's
the
case,
what
I'm
asking
for
is
a
boat
lift,
even
if
we
just
put
the
dock
in
there
and
don't
ask
for
any
special
exception.
It's
blocked.
It's
just
that
the
existing
design
of
the
adjacent
property
didn't
take
into
effect
at
all.
If
anybody
ever
built
something
on
the
property
next
door.
F
And
I
don't
think
jake
die,
I
don't
think,
there's
a.
I
don't
think
the
the
adjacent
homeowner
has
a
legitimate
obligation
or
right
to
use
the
navigation
waters
in
front
of
this
house
either.
So
that's
you
know
that
lot
too.
It's
just
a
really
poor
design
right,
there's
no
way
you're
going
to
be
able
to
do
anything
with
it.
F
F
Create
something
that,
like
this,
that
exists
where
it's
based
on
your
need
to
use
the
adjacent
properties,
navigation,
water
and
that's
just
you.
D
G
H
Good
afternoon
I'm
vicki
arnold
I've
been
sworn
in.
I
am
the
owner
of
the
lot
that
has
the
existing
boat
slip.
I
just
paid
649
thousand
dollars
for
my
beautiful
home
in
pentagorda
florida
with
a
dock
that
is
usable.
No
one
said
to
me
that
I
could
not
use
the
water.
We
all
use
our
boats.
We
all
use
everybody's
water,
it's
everybody's
water.
H
My
concern
is
this:
if
I
decide
to
put
in
a
new
boat
dock
who's
to
say
15
years
from
now,
you
all
are
going
to
change
your
mind
and
I
got
to
do
something
differently,
because
I'm
sure
whoever
put
this
in
with
kiesling
thought
it
was
perfectly
fine-
and
it's
not
I'm
very
concerned
that
I'm
having
to
spend
fifteen
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
a
boat
lift.
That
is
perfectly
fine.
O
I've
been
previously
sworn
I'm
up
on
the
top
from
what
I'm
looking
at.
According
to
your
diagram
here
that
mike
put
together,
we
talked
to
mike
about
this.
If
you
go
back
up,
please
just
raise
this
up
again.
If,
if
that
sea
wall
goes
in,
it's
two
and
a
half
feet
from
the
or
the
dock
goes
in,
it's
two
and
a
half
feet
from
that
dock
that
he
wants
to
put
in
starting
specifically
there,
which
he
requested
of
mike
to
start
on
the
corner
of
his
property
with
the
dock.
O
He
knowingly
blocks
it
in
knowing
he
blocks
vicki's
boat
in
that,
considering
that
he
then
told
me
he's
putting
the
lift
in
which
might
talk
to
us
about
and
again
those
posts
that
he's
showing
are
outside
of
that
45
degree
angle.
On
my
side
it
doesn't
really
block
my
side,
but
again,
if
you're
going
to
go
personally
about
using
this,
the
water
weigh
in
he'll
have
to
go
through
areas
on
my
side.
Won't
he!
O
So
if,
if
we
start
objecting
to
that,
it's
it's
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense.
To
put
this
thing
in
there
and
cost
vicki
20
grand
to
have
to
accommodate
the
way
this
is
laid
out.
Now
I
think
when
I
talked
to
mike,
he
suggested
to
bob
to
even
move
this
or
possibly
even
eliminate
it.
I
think
so
he
wouldn't
there
would
be
a
possibility
that
vicki
could
still
get
out.
O
From
what
bob
said
to
us
quote,
unquote,
I
don't
give
a
damn,
and
I
think
this
this
is
a
permitted.
This
was
a
permitted
lift.
I
think
I
talked
to
the
engineer
about
this.
I
think
it
was
in
2006.
I
think
that
it
was
permitted
so
now
that
permit
would
be
in
wouldn't
be
at
all
legal
or
no,
it's
no
longer
valid,
because
you're
blocking
her
in.
L
G
M
M
Hi,
david
hoffman
and
I've
been
sworn
in
just
reiterating
a
few
things
on
this
mike.
I'm
not
sure
whether
you
looked
at
anything
further
but
since
the
the
lift
itself
is
non-conforming
to
begin
with,
and
it's
not
just
a
small
section,
it's
it's
probably
half
the
dock
is
not
conforming
with
with
what
the
city
requirements
are
here.
If,
if
he
was
going
to
put
the
dock
in,
could
the
dock
be
shifted
up
to
the
other
end
and
still
allow
her
to
have
access?
Did
you
look
at
that
design.
N
N
Mike
parr
from
palmer
and
construction,
I
have
been
sworn
yeah,
that's
eve.
I
tried
to
move
this
thing
around
every
every
which
direction
I
can.
The
issue
is
no.
I
came
in
to
no
matter
what
you
put
in
there.
It's
blocked
whether
it
just
be
a
dock
and
you
tie
it
up
or
a
boat
lift
inside
the
45
this
way
or
inside
the
45.
That
way,
it
causes
more
problems
than
this.
Does
I
don't
it's
a
it's.
The
original
design
of,
I
believe,
was
lot
too
that
make
it
makes
it
tough.
I
don't.
D
G
We
are
looking
for
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
now
so
moved
and
mr
rafa,
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
the
public
hearing.
Please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
to
closing.
No,
then
we
have
a
unanimous
decision
to
close
discussion
for
the
panel.
F
I
think
it's
jake
die.
I
think
it's
unfortunate
that
that
we
have
the
situation,
but
I
also
don't
believe
that.
F
F
So
I
think
it's
too
bad,
but
I
don't
see
a.
I
don't
see
an
alternative
to
to
what's
been
proposed
and
I
think
they've
tried
to
accommodate
it
as
much
as
possible
by
shifting
that
everything
to
the
right
as
far
as
they
have.
I
don't
know
what
else
you
could.
I
don't
know
what
else
you
can
do
in
that
situation.
F
B
K
I
Again,
I
look
at
this
as
if
you
take
the
lift
out
of
here
lot.
One
has
the
right
to
build
a
dock
with
completely
within
the
45,
that's
going
to
block
access
anyway
and
that
doesn't
need
a
special
permit
or
anything.
So
you
know
to
me
the
the
addition
of
the
lift
is
immaterial
to
blocking
the
the
lift,
because
I
I
mean
bob
you're
right,
you
know
about
I,
and
I
you
know
how
I
feel
about
pre-existing.
K
Ron,
ludwig,
I
don't
think
I
agree
the
if
we
if
we
take
the
the
lift
out
of
the
picture,
the
dock
can
then
be
moved
up
in
this
particular
case,
such
that
the
the
homeowner
would
in
in
the
lot
in
in
question
would
have
a
dock.
I
I
The
whole
bottom
of
the
triangle
right
up
against
the
seawall,
and
it's
going
to
block
that
lift
anyway,
and
that's
that's
not
that's
completely
within
code
and
completely
without
need
of
a
special
permit,
so
you're
right
it
could
be
done
a
different
way,
but
if,
if
I,
if
he
wanted
to,
he
could
build
that
dock
without
a
lift
and
it's
still
going
to
block.
So
it's
a
matter
of
that
lift
on
lot.
2
is
a
poor
design.
I
F
Jake
died,
so
if
you
took
the
lift
out
of
there
completely
and
you
just
put
a
piling
inside
the
45
on
that
corner,
it's
exactly
the
same
thing
as
that
lift
it
doesn't
make
any.
It
doesn't
change
anything
at
all
that
piling's
still
going
to
be
in
the
way
and
and
it's
within
the
45
it
can
be
done
with
a
standard
building.
Permit
doesn't
need
a
special
permit.
F
G
Secretary,
it's
been
moved
by
mr
dye
and
seconded
by
mr
hannan
to
approve
ccsp
15
2021.
G
But
this
comes
down
to
giving
somebody
the
opportunity
to
have
a
boat
on
a
lift
in
their
property
the
new
lot.
But
then
we
take
it
away
from
somebody
else,
and
I
can't
I
can't
hold
those
two
things
together.
The
ideal
situation
for
me
would
be
what's
mr
prior
has
already
suggested,
come
up
with
a
new
lift
on
a
lot
too,
but
that
imposes
a
burden
on
the
lot
2
owner
that
because
of
the
circumstance,
I'm
not
sure
they
should
have
to
deal
with.
G
So
I'm
going
to
vote
against
this
and
would
hope
that
two
property
owners
could
come
to
some
accommodation,
so
they
can
both
have
the
opportunity
which
might
be
the
second
property
owner
being
subsidized
in
some
way
by
the
first
property
owner,
whatever
they
could
work
out,
since
they
are
neighbors.
G
G
I
believe
I'd
have
to
be
have
that
confirmed
by
the
clerk,
but
that
way
we
would
not
have
to
repost.
They
could
come
back
with
an
amended
plan
that
we
could
approve,
which
could
satisfy
those
issues
so,
but
that
would
require
an
amended
motion
that
we
would
have
to
act
on
and,
of
course,
if
the
owners
don't
follow
that,
then
by
default,
it'll
it'll
die
and
would
not
be
approved.
I
The
third
option
is,
is
that
it
gets
approved
and
then
somebody's
not
going
to
be
happy,
so
I
I
would
be
in
favor
of
seeing
if
they
could
work
out
an
accommodation,
so
everybody's
happy.
I
I
would
I
would
amend
the
motion.
You
know
to
continue
it.
You
know
to
a
date
certain
to
see
if
they
can
work
out
a
mutually
agreed
situation.
If
not,
then
they
can
come
back
next
time.
Okay,.
G
G
Defer
until
the
date's
certain.
F
I
think
that
opens
this
up
for
better
discussion
between
the
the
two
parties,
so
that
would
be
my
my
miraculous,
so
I
do
withdraw
my
motion.
G
Mr
dye
is
taking
his
motion
back
and
I
don't
remember
who
seconded
it.
I
didn't
all
right,
so
the
amen
the
motion
maker
and
the
seconder
have
withdrawn
the
first
motion,
which
was
to
approve.
So
now
we
are
looking
for
a
motion
to
defer
to
a
date
certain,
but
I'm
going
to
get
some
better
advice
from.
D
L
G
The
applicant
has
to
request
that.
That's
that's
a
new
wrinkle
that
I'm
not
aware
of.
I'm
not
aware
of
that.
I
B
This
is
within
the
meeting,
not
not
outside
the
meeting
right.
This
is
part
of
the
reading.
J
J
So
it
says
here
this
is
out
of
our
quasi
judicial
hearing
or
geary
dish
for
the
record
or
quasi-judicial
training
by
the
city
attorney
and
for
the
continuance
of
the
application
or
referral.
That's
the
section
there.
G
Okay,
I'm
reading
your
second
paragraph.
If
the
committee
feels
that
delaying
an
action
would
be
in
the
best
interest,
which
I
think
is
where
we
are,
the
hearing
may
be
continued
to
a
date
certain
which
is,
I
think,
where
we
are
right
and
such
emotion
shall
include
the
reason
which
I
think
we've
stated
and
shall
require
a
majority
vote.
I
don't
see
anything
about
the
applicant.
I
G
J
Put
the
on
the
continuums,
because
the
board
would
want
to
continue
it,
and
we
were
thinking.
B
G
I
That
power
and
we've
done
that
in
the
past
right.
So
so
I
move.
I
move
that
we
continue
this
to
a
date
certain
to
allow
both
parties
to
come
to
a
mutually
agreeable.
G
G
G
G
So
we
have
a
motion
for
mr
kurkarsky
to
continue
this
discussion
on
ccsp
15
2021
to
no
later
than
october,
18th
our
next
meeting
october
18th
2021!
Is
there
a
second
second,
it's
been
seconded
by
mr
rafa
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,.
D
G
L
I
would
like
to
introduce
application
number
ccsp
16-2021,
the
applicant
mobley
properties,
llc
of
lot
18
block
105,
section
11.,
also
identified
as
one
two
four
two
spanish
k
lane
is
proposing
to
construct
a
dock,
a
four
piling
boat
lift
and
a
two
foot
wide
walkway
in
the
canal.
The
reason
for
the
special
permit
application
is
due
to
three
of
the
pilings.
L
L
N
Mike
parr
from
palmerin
construction,
I
have
been
sworn
I
think
in
this
case
everything's
designed
in
which
we
don't
have
that
same
issue.
So
this
is
kind
of
how
we've
come
to
know
corners
in
general.
You
know
of
sorts,
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
on
it.
N
K
K
E
K
N
But
what
you
end
up
is
a
super
safety
and
navigation
problem
where
people
are
still
going
to
get
a
boat
but
back
it
on,
and
then
you
bring
your
boat
lift
super
close
to
the
sea
wall,
where
the
city
won't
dredge
within
seven
feet
of
the
sea
wall.
So
if
you
have
a
piling
or
a
cradle
that
your
boat
is
sitting
on
two
or
three
feet
away
from
the
sea
wall,
there's
no
water,
so
you
can
technically
put
it
in
and
be
blocked
by
your
neighbor.
N
You
know
if,
if
they
build
size,
just
a
I
wish
we
could
find
a
way
to
rewrite
the
end
of
canal
code
for
using
boat
limitation
lines
instead
of
45
degree.
I
think
would
be
the
and
that's
I'm
in
here.
More
than
most
you
know,
so
I'm
willing
to
do
the
leg
work.
I
just
feel
like
it'd,
be
fair
to
everyone
involved.
N
If
there
was
a
way
to,
I
would
love
to
even
help
you
know,
but
if
we,
if
you
put
one
in
the
45,
basically
you
can't
get
enough
water
to
use
it.
And
when
you
can
you
back
a
boat
on
so
that
you
can
actually
fit
a
boat
because
pulling
forward
on
a
boat,
lift,
there's,
always
more
bow
hanging
out
than
stern.
N
But
either
way
you
spend
that
in
the
45
basically
gets
blocked
by
we
have
a
similar
issue.
I
believe,
on
bay
view
that
we're
trying
to
work
through
right
now.
You
know
a
brand
new
boat,
lift
in
the
corner
on
tropicana
the
belvedere
side.
Right
next
to
that
new
house,
that's
going
up.
N
B
Mike,
what
is
the
distance
from
the
outbound
outboard
end
of
the
dock
to
the
lymphoid
limitation
line,
looks
like
it's
very
close
and.
N
Yeah
with
that
scaling,
usually
we
would
have
like
a
rule
or
something,
but
it's
it's
going
to
be
two
or
three
feet.
N
N
Like
this,
this
gap
in
here
that
and
the
other
yeah,
like
I
said,
probably
two
or
three
feet,
which
I
always
try
to
keep
in
mind
too.
I
beating
the
same
drum,
but
that
you
can
always
like
jake,
had
been
saying.
You
can
put
a
pilot
in
there
and
then
still
park
your
boat
inside
your
boat
limitation
line.
You
just
can't
we're
asking
to
be
able
to
lift
it
up
instead
of
just
parking
it.
There.
N
C
F
D
C
C
And
our
concerns
are
a
little
bit
different,
we're
not
completely
blocked
in
by
this
proposal,
but
we
are
concerned
about
safely
navigating
because
of
our
position
on
the
canal,
we're
a
little
bit
unique.
It's
not
a
typical
canal,
it's
l-shaped
and
we're
in
that
corner
as
you
come
in
and
if
you,
if
you
can
show
this
property
too,
we
have
a
limited
approach
to
get
to
our
dock
already
as
it
is,
and
our
concern
is
that
if
we
further
impede
our
approach,
it's
going
to
increase
the
probability
of
a
mishap.
C
I
wish
we
could
have
a
really
good
picture.
Yeah.
C
We
come
from
the
top
down
in
this
way
and
I'm
particularly
concerned
about
bringing
our
stern
in
where
those
the
new
pilings
are
proposed,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
case-
I'm
new
at
looking
at
some
of
these
plans,
but
there
seems
to
be
a
discrepancy
between
the
town,
ordinance
and
the
vessel
limitation
line.
If
you
look
at
the
town
ordinance
it
basically
that
limitation
line
comes
about
a
quarter
of
the
way
in
from
our
lot
line.
C
C
J
And
for
the
board
gary
dish
for
the
record,
the
the
boat
limitation
line
does
not
move
at
all,
as
we
know
well,.
J
So
the
property
corner,
where
it
lands
and
the
two
properties
come
down
the
sea
wall
and
where
they
intersect.
It's
the
total
included
angle.
I
totally
understand
that
which
is
which
is
bisected
by
that
line
there.
So,
whatever
the
angle
is
here,
is
equal
to
the
angle
on
that
side
and
that
that's
how
those
should.
C
Be
again,
but
that's
my
concern
is
that
the
renderings,
which
was
not
done
by
the
town,
has
that
apex
further
in
front
of
our
dock
as
the
town
shows
it
on
their
ordinance,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
the
scale
isn't
off
or
and
actually
mr
clemens,
you
said
that
to
us.
When
we
went
into
your
office,
you
said
something
doesn't
look
right.
Maybe
it's
the
scale,
so
we're
just
concerned
that
the
renderings
may
not
be
accurate
too.
L
And
I
would
have
meant
all
all
in
one,
but
I
normally
bring
a
scale.
I
didn't
bring
one
this
one
time.
Do
we
have.
J
I
N
N
N
N
Yep,
so
as
much
as
much
as
we
can
now-
I
don't
you
know
without
speaking
of
the
customer
right:
okay,
not
positive
on
anything
but
yeah
I'd
be,
I
would
be
all
for
it.
So,
as
I
just
learned
in
the
code,
I
would
like
to
move
to
to
push
it
to
the
next
meeting,
since
we
have
some
other
ones
to
go
over
anyway,
yeah
whatever
we
got
to
do
guys,
but
I'd
be
off
for
it
all.
C
J
J
G
All
right,
anyone.
G
All
right
now
we
get
to
the
official
bit.
Anyone
else
wish
to
speak
on
ccsp
16,
2021
second
time
on
ccsp
16,
2021,
third
and
final
time
to
speak
on
ccsp,
16,
2021
I'll.
Take
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing.
Then
we'll.
G
G
G
G
G
Second,
second,
mr
hannan,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
We
move
on
then
to
special
permits.
Ccsp
18,
2021.
L
All
right
here
we
go
brian
columbus
for
the
record
engineering.
Public
works,
I'd
like
to
introduce
application,
number
ccsp
18-2021,
the
applicant
tarpon
real
estate
holdings,
llc
of
lot
15
block
139,
section
12,
also
identified
as
3800
karapano
court
is
proposing
to
construct
a
dock,
a
four
piling
boat
lift
and
a
two
foot
walkway
in
the
canal.
The
reason
for
the
special
permit
application
is
due
to
three
of
the
pilings,
a
portion
of
the
boat
lift
and
a
portion
of
the
walkway
being
outside
the
structured
limitation
lines
per
the
submitted
drawings.
L
J
Yeah,
I
believe
there
was
a
shared
owner.
We
could
only
go
back.
There
was
one
or
booking
page
for
the
sale
for
the
record
gary
disher,
so
it
didn't
the
history
of
the
sale.
Wasn't
there
we
were
able
to
track
back
that
they
I
don't
know
if
it
was
killed
and
combined,
but
there
was
at
least
one
you
know
they
had
owned
it
at
one
time.
J
So
that's
probably
they
look
like
they
were
set
out
as
mooring
pilings
and
then
that
parcel
was
sold
off
the
the
vacant
lot
and
that's
probably
why
it
was
a
leftover.
L
N
D
G
All
right,
we'll
entertain
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing,
move
to
close
the
public
hearing,
jake
diaz
and
mr
rapper
seconds,
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
the
hearing,
please
say:
aye,
aye
any
contrary
that
is
approved
unanimously.
We
need
a
motion
then,
to
proceed.
G
A
For
the
record
kathy
miller,
canal
maintenance,
champaign
estates
condominium
has
approached
the
canal
maintenance
district
to
be
included
in
the
puna
gorda
isles
canal,
maintenance
district.
They
are
located
at
1600,
west
marion
avenue.
They
have
approximately
242
lineal
feet
of
seawall
in
your
packet
is
an
evaluation
of
their
sea
wall.
They
are
offering
to
have
their
seawall
replaced
prior
to
being
included
into
the
district.
A
G
Anyone
else
here
to
speak
on
this
expanding
the
district
area,
just
as
a
reminder
of
the
panel.
We
don't
have
the
final
approval.
We
are
basically
making
a
recommendation
to
council
and
they
have
the
final
say
in
adding
this,
and
so
it
will
be
a
recommendation
to
council
that
we
are
acting
on.
Thank.
A
You
the
applicant,
is
here
if
you
have
any
questions,
but
I
I
think
the
application
is
pretty
pretty
solid,
so.
A
F
K
A
G
I
Yes,
so
it
may
to
me
it
makes
sense,
because
we're
setting
a
precedent-
if
you
do
this
and
then
if
the
next
one
comes
in
and
says
well,
we
want
to
be
in,
but
we're
not
going
to
replace
our
sea
wall.
That's
a
whole
different
game
because
we're
replacing
the
sea
wall
here
and
we're
starting
off
with
a
fresh
slate.
I
mean
this
is
this:
is
it
it
actually
benefits
the
sea
wall
or
the
assessment
district
in
the
short
run.
I
G
Code,
as
I
understand
it,
gives
you
the
choice:
you
pay
a
fee
which
you
then
go
into
the
queue
assuming
we
would
recommend
this.
If
you
were
going
to
pay
the
fee,
you
then
become
a
member.
If
you
are
so
approved,
and
then
you
are
in
the
queue
for
whatever
starting
to
pay
the
the
seawall
assessment
right
away,
so
your
choice
has
been
to
repair
the
seawall
and
the
code
calls
for
it
to
be
within
three
years.
A
K
A
A
G
J
G
Request,
that
is,
to
include
champaign
estates
condominium
in
the
assessment
district,
a
second
time
and
a
third
time
I
see
none,
so
we
will
close
this
public
hearing.
If
that
is
your
pleasure,
mr
dye
moves
mr
knobby
seconds
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
the
public
hearing
all.
I
A
And
excuse
me,
but
in
your
recommendation
I
would
also
like
you
to
include
whether
or
not
you
approve
the
use
of
city
built
seawall
panels
and
we
do
yeah.
B
Sure-
and
I
would
also
like
to
include
that
the
dav
or
the
dead
man
be
replaced
instead
of
reused.
If
we're
going
to
go
for
a
fresh
sea
wall,
we
should
have
fresh
dead
men
up
to
date,
standard.
A
A
G
And
the
recommendation
will
include
that
this
be
done
as
expeditiously
as
possible
so
that
they
are
members
only
after
they
get
the
work
done.
That
needs
to
be
done,
and
mr
navi
has
added
the
recommendation
that
we
include
new
dead
men
where
necessary
at
200
and
whatever
it
is
dollars
per
so
okay
was
that
a
motion
from
somebody
that
was
emotional,
okay,
mister
died,
mr
robbie
seconded
that
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
hi.
E
G
A
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
once
again:
kathy
miller
canal
maintenance.
Every
year
our
contract
with
the
seawall
contractor
gets
renewed
and
they
have
the
option
of
increasing
their
unit
rates.
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
did
approve
a
four
percent
increase
in
their
unit
rates.
A
Okay,
there
is
a
whole
process
to
that.
They
have
to
be
able
to
back
up
why
they're
increasing
it
their
their
reasoning
was
material
increases,
labor
increases
all
all
of
that,
and
all
that
gets
approved
not
only
between
the
procurement
director
but
the
city
manager,
as
well
as
the
public
works
director.
E
F
I
I
I
would
go
back
to
that
csp
15
and
where
that
lot
2
the
existing
lift.
I
could
see
how
that
happened,
because
there
was
nothing
else
there,
probably
when
that
was
approved,
and
they
approved
it
specifically
to
fit
without
having
to
to
go
to
the
building
department.
I
think
you
said
approved
it
without
having
to
go
to
a
special
permit.
I
You
know,
but
they
were
under
the
assumption
that
nothing
would
ever
be
built
next
to
on
either
side,
which
is
an
erroneous
assumption,
and
now
we
have
a
problem
and,
and
that
could
have
been
resolved
if
the
building
department
maybe
was
talking
to
the
canal
department
or
whatever
you
know,
and-
and
I
don't
know
how
many
more
of
those
are
out
there.
You
know
I'm
sure,
there's
a
bunch
that
exists
that
we're
going
to
probably
be
dealing
with,
but
I
don't
know
how
many
lots
are
out
there
where
this
might
potentially
happen.
I
I
J
My
understanding
the
building
department,
if,
if
they
come
in
with
a
design
that
fits
within
the
45s
and
it
meets
all
the
applicable
codes,
the
building
department
has
to
issue
them
a
permit.
It
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
bad
design
or
not
I
mean
they
could
have
had
that
thing
where
they
had
to
put.
You
know,
bring
it
in
by
the
land,
but
the
building
department
says
here:
it
is.
I
understand,
where
you're
coming
from
that,
that
that's
how.
D
J
Can
talk
with
them
now
and
say:
hey
looking,
look
in
the
future
that
this
guy
has
to
go
not
only
across
it's
always
known
that,
yes,
you
can
cross
the
boat
limitation
line
as
long
as
there's
not
a
boat
there,
but
the
45
line.
You
just
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
structure
there,
eventually
that's
what
that
45's
for.
I
And
all
I'm
saying
is
and-
and
she
made
a
point
she
said
nobody
told
me
well,
you
know
it's
there's
the
rules
and
the
regulations
and
then
there's
common
sense
and
and
if
it
was,
I
mean
just
because
somebody's
sitting
at
this
desk
versus
that
desk
or
in
this
building
versus
that
building
we're
all
in
the
same
city.
And
if
we
do
if
there
was
just
conversation
that
would
just
give
them
a
heads
up
and
say
hey
yes,
this
is
completely
legit,
you
don't
need
to
start.
I
F
Yep,
so
you
get
what
you
pay
for,
and
those
were
were
cheap
because
you
didn't
have
to
get
a
special
permit
on
it.
We
had
one
of
those
come
through
here
and
you
guys
may
have
remembered,
but
we
we
didn't
like
the
design
of
it
and
the
contractor
withdrew
it
and
built
it
differently
inside
the
45,
and
today
two
docks
are
being
built
on
the
adjacent
properties.
It's
exactly
the
same
as
this
situation
right
here
and
the
guy's
gonna
absolutely
have
a
heart
attack
when
he
sees
what
it
is.
F
But
you
know
you
get
what
you
pay
for.
G
And
perhaps
some
future
council
member
could
have
a
conversation.
G
The
building
department
and
the
the
canal
maintenance
folks.
J
We
can
surely
send
an
email
to
the
building
department.
You
know
this.
One
came
up,
keep
your
eyes,
but,
as
we
all
know,
these
are
all
over
out
there.
Like
the
old
elevators,
I
mean
the
only
way
to
put
a
boat
on.
It's
almost
be
easier
to
put
an
elevate
on
that
or
put
a
boat
on
an
elevert
than
that
alpha
lift
because
you
can
at
least
try
to
slide
your
boat
in,
but
with
a
with
a
post.