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Charter Review Committee 4-11-2022
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I
think
it's
something
where
we
elect
these
representatives
to
be
our
city
council
and
if
we
are
going
to
make
something
looser
so
that
people
can
be
second
guessing
of
city
council.
It
really
undermines
why
we
put
them
in
office
in
the
first
place,
and
I
think
we
need
it
needs
to
be
something.
That's
rigorous.
A
I
would
just
state
that
if
you
have
an
ordinance
that
perhaps
has
had
to
go
to
the
planning
commission
so
there's
an
opportunity
for
public
discussion,
I
mean,
I
think
there
are
many
opportunities
for
people
if
they're
really
concerned
about
it
to
voice
their
opinions,
and
so
I
I
would
agree
with
nancy
that
we
just
leave
it
the
way.
It
is.
G
G
I
would
not
support
that
and
I'll
just
to
my
reasoning,
for
that
is
that,
when
we're,
when
someone's
proceeding
with
a
negative
process,
they're,
obviously
they've
got
a
deadline
of
to
get
to
the
supervisor
of
elections
to
have
that
final
language.
So
they
can
be
placed
on
the
ballot
30
days
as
you've
seen
with
our
process
we're
moving
very
quickly.
G
So
we
can
get
everything
to
the
supervisor
30
days
to
correct
an
insufficiency,
I
think,
is
probably
too
much,
whereas
the
actual
petition
would
have
been
provided
and
then
we're
talking
about
only
the
amendment
based
on
an
insufficiency
found
by
the
clerk,
for
instance.
The
wording
has
too
many
too
many
words
in
it.
There's
the
confusion
about
the
language.
I
think
that
you
know
the
group
putting
forth
a
petition
could
probably
turn
that
around
fairly
quickly.
G
D
C
G
With
yourself,
it's
more
my
concern
something
I'd
like
to
raise
for
consideration
with
respect
to
the
position
of
the
clerk,
obviously,
city
manager
and
council
manager,
former
government
reports,
the
council
city
attorney
I've
seen
arrangements
where
they
don't
report
to
the
council.
Where
that's
happened,
it's
caused
problems
in
the
past
when
maybe
the
management
and
the
council
have
different
directives.
G
The
city
clerk-
and
this
goes
similar
conversations
I
know-
have
been
had
at
the
county
with
respect
to
the
edo
director
who
reports
the
county
commission
these
these
positions,
that
are
I'll,
say,
civil
service,
oriented
someone.
You
want
someone
in
a
position
for
a
long
period
of
time
to
to
have
you
know
some
security,
some
buffer
between
them
and
the
politics
of
the
day
make
me
feel
that
it
would.
It
may
be
appropriate
to
move
the
clerk
to
serving
under
the
manager.
G
The
reason
for
that
is
it
just
is
one
more
position.
That's
not
directly
involved
with
the
council,
has
a
little
more
separation
and
can
act
in
a
more
I'll,
say,
civil
servant
position.
I
don't
I
have
seen
it.
The
city
clerk
position
have
issues
in
other
communities.
It's
generally
one
that
doesn't
but
I've.
My
own
personal
experience
is
that
I've
found
that
when
you
have
less
people
reporting
into
the
council,
it
leads
to.
You
know
better
results.
E
E
Yet-
and
I
come
back
to
what
I've
said
several
times,
which
is
we're
going
to
be
going
to
the
voters
with
a
number
of
things,
some
of
them
fairly
significant,
I
don't
think
we
should
clutter
up
what
we're
asking
the
voters
to
prove
by
throwing
in
an
extemporaneous
issue
that
really
doesn't
need
fixing.
At
this
point.
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E
H
Well,
that's
why
I
respond.
It
was
I'd
like
to
hear
what
her
feelings
about
this
topic
are
and
because
I
think
it's
important
for
the
government
for
our
government.
We
have
such
a
really
good
working
team
here,
and
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
us,
as
a
group,
to
hear
for
us
to
be
grounded
in
in
good
information
as
well.
G
Now
I'll
just
have
one
thing:
maybe
before
miss
smith
speaks
is.
I
also
don't
want
to
put
her
in
a
comfortable
position
by
talking
about
this,
and
this
is
obviously
something
that
will
if,
if
it
was
recommended
and
approved,
would
be,
something
has
nothing
to
do
with
her.
But
positions
well
beyond
her
I'd
also
be
interested
to
hear
if
the
city
manager
doesn't
want
the
clerk
to
report
to
them.
That
might
actually
be
more
relevant
to
whether
I
recommend
it,
but.
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J
We
did
have
a
city
manager
in
the
past.
We've
been
lucky
that
in
recent
years
this
has
not
happened.
We
had
a
city
manager
that
was
here
for
15
years
and
couldn't
have
been
more
transparent
than
he
was,
but
in
the
past
we've
had
city
managers
who
did
not
want
to
put
things
down
on
paper.
They
they
didn't
want
to
create
those
records,
because
there
would
have
been
an
issue
with
with
those.
So
would
I
completely
object
to
reporting
to
the
city
manager?
H
J
Are
you
going
to
ask
me
how
many
report
to
the
city
council
it's
a
50,
50
split,
the
league
of
cities
does
a
survey
every
year
and
they
ask
different
questions
and
then
the
survey
results
they
have
a
lot
of
data
from
the
surveys
and
when
I
I've
been
keeping
up
with
the
things
that
you've
been
talking
about.
When
I
saw
that
you
mentioned
the
city
clerk
reporting
to
the
city
manager,
I
thought
let
me
let
me
look
into
that
and
I
I
the
data
is
on
their
website
and
it's
about
a
50
50
split.
J
F
B
Did
they
specify
or
make
any
distinction
between
whether
or
not
the
form
of
government
was
a
strong
mayor
or
or
city
manager
form
of
government,
because
that
you
know
might
make
a
difference
if
you've
got
a
different
setup
like
we
have
with
our
city
council,
whether
this
clerk
is
responsible
to
or
to
the
city,
council
or
the
city
manager?
That
I
mean
that
might
make.
B
G
G
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H
H
G
G
It's
the
I,
I
honestly
don't
know
the
answer
to
this
question,
but
perhaps
miss
smith
or
even
nancy
can
answer.
The
question
is
the
how
many
members
of
staff
are
in
the
clerk's
office
and
and
if
there's
an
issue,
do
you
does
karen?
Do
you
create
your
own
budget?
Do
you
handle
your
own
hr
or
is
all
that
handled
through
the
main
city
staff
procedure.
G
C
I
J
The
in
the
evaluation
process,
the
city
clerk
meets
individually
with
the
council
members
and
then
when,
when
it
comes
to
the
council
meeting,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
brief
discussion.
It's
not
a
you
know
any
concerns
they
have
have
already
been
expressed
to
the
clerk.
It's
not
like
she's,
being
called
out
in
public
and
and
told
she's
not
performing
well
or
whatever
they
just
they
just
decide.
J
J
J
C
G
G
G
Yeah-
and
I
I'll
just
point
out
that
my
the
reason
again
for
why
I
brought
this
up-
was,
in
my
view
and
I've
seen
fort
myers
recently
there
there
are
police
chiefs
that
report
directly
and
there
are
multiple
departments.
Sometimes
they
report
directly
into
the
council
and
that
sometimes
leads
to
difficult
reviews
and
just
a
lot
of
unnecessary
public
involvement
with
people
who
should
just
be
civil
servants
who
are
doing
their
job
and
reporting
it,
and
if
a
manager
tells
the
clerk
that
works
under
them
to
destroy
records.
Well,
that's
a
crime!
G
So
it's
not
it's
not
really
about
who
they
report
to
the
issue.
Is
that's
a
crime
in
this
situation,
so
my
thought
with
this
was
to
shield
the
office
from
any
politics.
That
might
you
know
result
and
in
the
end
that
leaves
you
know,
and
I'm
gonna
just
say
this
is
this:
is
for
for
david
and
mai's
benefit
as
city
attorneys.
You
know
we
represent
responsible
parties,
we're
rarely
the
responsible
party
for
things,
and
so
you
know
when
you
have
a
manager
form
a
government.
G
You
know
having
that
one
point
of
contact
as
the
person
who's
responsible
running
the
operations
makes
it
a
lot
easier
for
the
council
to
hold
accountability.
I
think
when
it
starts
to
break
out
into
smaller
groups
and
there's
more
people,
there's
finger,
pointing
and
all
sorts
of
issues
that
can
result,
but
thank
you.
H
G
G
G
This
change
will
require
a
one-time
extension
for
the
existing
council
members
in
district
three
and
five
until
november
of
2024..
Now
that
second
part
implies
that
you're
getting
the
first
extensions
made
that
you're
doing
to
two
to
four
years,
so
I
thought
tried
to
work
it
around
a
couple
different
ways.
I
don't,
I
don't
really
see
how
it
works
without
combining
the
two
questions.
So
it's
one
question
one.
G
Right
and
and
please
no
pr,
no
pro,
there's
no
prior
authorship
here
anything
we
could
do
to
make
it
simpler,
while
still
conveying
all
the
relevant
information-
and
I
always
I
haven't
had
I
didn't-
I
sent
these
to
sarah
without
talking
to
david
first
to
make
sure
that
you
know
he
agreed.
So
if
he
has
any
editorial
comments,
I'd
be
open
to
making
any
other
changes.
I
have
a
question
about
procedure.
E
G
So
they
won't
see
the
actual
changes
on
the
ballot.
Okay,
they'll
only
see
the
question,
so
what
will
be
incumbent
upon
us
and
the
city
council
will
be
to
prepare
some
form
of
statement
to
explain
so
that
it
can
be
put
out
on
the
city's
website
and
for
the
through
the
pio,
so
that
people
understand
what
the
votes
are.
So
when
the
supervisor
prepares,
everything
and
the
papers
start
to
circulate
something,
we
have
a
ready-made
answer
to
say.
This
is
why
these
were
changing
and
they
were
changing.
G
H
H
G
G
So
if
it
fails,
they
can
always
do
it
as
well,
and
what
I
have
what
my
in
my
experience
and
what
and
seeing
complicated
questions
like
this.
This
will
be
the
one
that
people
care
about
people
get
it
by
the
time.
You
know
when,
when
you
talk
about
term
link
extensions,
that's
what
they're
really
thinking
focusing
on
they're,
not
so
much
focusing
on
the
other
other
thing
that
goes
along
with
it
was.
E
G
D
G
E
I
G
And
I
think
when
we
prepare
that
that
recommendation
and
statement,
I
think
we're
we're
saying
to
them.
You
know
we're
making
the
rationale
for
four
years
over
two
years,
but
the
other
two
things
are
easy,
which
is
cost
savings
and
higher
voter
turnout
when
you,
when
you
do
it
in
the
in
the
same
election
cycles,
everybody
else
you're.
H
Also
disruptive
to
the
to
the
clerk's
office,
because
the
clerk's
office
is
a
is
a
small
team,
as
it
is
that's
highly
productive
and
and
focused
and
busy,
and
then
for
them
to
have
to
stop
and
handle
votes
they
have
to
literally,
they
are
where
the
boats
come
in.
They
have
to
go
over
to
the
supervisor's
office
every
day
to
validate
it's
a
they
handle
it
all
and
that's
a
big
job.
G
You
have
to
convey
the
substance
of
what
is
being
what
is
being
changed
in
the
question.
You
know
we
couldn't
say:
do
a
generic
question
that
says:
shall
the
charter
be
amended
to
adjust
the
terms
of
counsel
and
then
have
five
different
changes
in
there
that
are
not
clearly
caught
in
the
call
of
the
question.
I
think
I
think
you're
pretty
much
required
to
show
the
main
thrust
to
what
you're
you're
making
so
you're
going
from
two
to
four
years
and
you're
moving
to
date.
G
D
H
D
E
C
E
A
D
C
E
F
E
H
H
And
we
took
out
the
conflicting
part
so
that
it
could
be
that
the
council
members
are
inducted
the
first
meeting
after
the
election,
because
the
council
members
who
chose
to
qualify
for
the
election
there
was
only
one
per
like
one
per
district,
and
so
those
were
certified
in
june
because
they
were
certified
to
be
elected.
So
they
became
council
member
elect
because
nobody
else
chose
to
run
against
them.
C
D
F
E
E
A
F
H
G
Well,
I
think
we
also
need
to
be
careful
too,
because,
unlike
a
lot
of
other
city
charters,
when
they
have
charter
reviews-
I
know
we
had
this
conversation
very
on
early
on-
is
that
often
a
charter
review
is
put
together
and
then
sent
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
can
decide
to
reject
changes
or
make
other
amendments,
but
the
way
the
language
of
the
ponogorus
charter
review
is
that
they
will
be
considered.
G
E
I
D
E
B
I
think
the
city
attorney
was
dave.
Levin's
city
attorney
was
offering
to
assist
in
the
drafting
of
any
language
if
necessary.
In
general.
I
think
that
you've
done
a
great
job
collectively
and
derek
has
done
his
usual
stellar
performance
job.
What
I
would
I
suggest,
though,
with
respect
to
this
educational
thing.
B
So
I
think,
in
order
to
achieve
your
objective
of
not
only
advising
the
city
council
as
to
what
your
report
was,
but
but
to
serve
the
more
important
purpose
of
educating
the
public
as
to
why
you
chose
to
do
the
things
you
chose
to
do
is-
and
I
asked
the
city
clerk
who
was
responsible
for
preparing
the
minutes,
to
use
those
minutes
to
kind
of
give
an
explanation
for
each
of
the
changes
as
proposed
by
the
review
committee,
and
maybe
have
that
done.
And
let's
have
one
more
meeting.
B
B
G
I
agree,
I
think
that
I
think
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
too,
if,
in
addition
to
what
the
smith's
office
puts
together,
if
each
of
us
could
maybe
get
to
sarah
some
of
our
thoughts
so
that
we
might
be
able
to
build
out
that
a
little
bit
more.
So
it's
not
just
a
recitation
of
the
minutes,
but
anything
that
any
of
us
thought
would
be
helpful
and
then
we
can
sort
through
that
in
may,
yeah.
K
Murray
city
manager.
Yes,
thank
you
just
two
comments,
one,
the
subsequent
meeting
that
was
just
discussed.
It
may
be
good
to
review
some
of
that
language
because
in
that
educational
piece
or
somewhere,
even
if
it's
in
presentation
to
counsel
there
were
at
least
two
things
that
you
discussed:
making
recommendations
outside
of
the
charter,
one
being
the
economic
development
piece
that
council
could
put
on
for
a
referendum
on
their
own,
and
there
was
something
else
which
I
can't
remember.
K
Historic
preservation
that
may
have
been
the
other
one
so
there's
at
least
two
things
that
would
not
be
charter
wording,
but
still
part
of
the
report
that
you
present
to
council
was
a
recommendation
and
then
that
report
being
subsequently,
I
mean
we
would
help
in
any
way
you
suggest,
but
making
sure
that
no
one
can
come
back
later
and
say:
well,
you
know
what
stay
afraid
that
and
they
slanted
it
a
certain
way.
Even
though
the
charter
review
committee
had
certain
discussions
that
we
can
think
are
conflicting.
G
G
I
think
it'd
be
super
helpful
if,
at
the
end
of
this,
we
have
not
a
very
long
report,
a
couple
pages
that
has
the
questions
and
attaches
the
changes
with
you
know
recommendation
here.
This
is
the
explanation
recommendation
and
then
those
additional
recommendations
for
consideration,
and
then
you
know
all
of
us
sign
it
at
the
end
so
that
that
gets
preserved
for
posteriority.
K
And
even
with
justification,
or
at
least
some
rationale,
when
you
look
at
the
cost
savings
for
changing
the
election
cycle,
for
example,
that
goes
a
long
way
towards
offsetting
any
salary
increase.
You
propose
so
that
you
know
it
helps,
keep
it
more
cost
neutral
to
the
taxpayer,
and
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
you
know.
People
see
helps
them,
get
their
their
minds
around,
exactly
what's
being
recommended,
and
why
and
how
it's
a
benefit
to
the
taxpayer.