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Charter Review Committee 03-14-2022
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Unfortunately,
the
economic
incentives
for
preserving
or
rehabilitating
historic
homes
and
buildings
are
not
present
in
the
current
economic
environment.
Here
in
pontogorda,
other
small
towns,
with
historic
preservation
goals
have
established
funding
programs
to
support
those
goals.
The
funding
programs
are
set
up
in
different
ways
depending
on
the
community,
but
the
main
purpose
of
the
program
is
to
have
a
facility
in
place
specifically
for
historic
preservation.
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J
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C
We'll
move
forward,
then,
as
a
committee
for
approval
of
the
february
14th,
the
valentine
minutes.
C
We
moved
to
general
business
city,
clerk's
items.
F
Real
quick,
I
would
like
to
note
that
the
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
april.
Oh
gosh,
I
forgot
the
date
the
second
monday
in
april,
unless
the
committee
determines
today
that
we
need
an
additional
meeting.
F
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H
E
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F
Next,
we
have
conflicting
language
article
3,
section,
7
states,
the
first
regular
meeting
of
the
council
following
a
city
election
shall
be
termed
the
organizational
meeting
at
which
newly
elected
members
shall
be
inducted
into
office
and
article
9
section
1.
At
the
end
of
the
paragraph
states,
council
members
elected
by
these
elections
shall
take
office
on
the
next
regularly
scheduled
council
meeting
following
certification
of
the
results
of
these
elections.
F
And
not
really
adding
but
capitalizing
the
m
and
meeting
of
the
council
in
the
section
title.
H
E
All
of
the
candidates
did
not
have
opposition,
so
therefore
they
could
be
sworn
into
office,
the
first
wednesday
in
november,
following
the
election,
because
they
were
previously
already
council
member
elects,
but
where
there
is
an
actual
election
and
that
and
the
results
have
to
be
certified,
then
it
runs
into
there.
This
is
a
conflicting
language.
G
E
Well,
it
depends
it
depends
if
it
was
an
odd
year
and
the
city
clerk
is
involved.
E
E
If
our
proposals
are
approved,
then
the
supervisor
of
elections
will
always
be
in
charge.
E
H
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F
Didn't
so
the
next
point
that
we've
found
which
might
need
addressing
is
article
16
charter
review
committee.
The
title
is
perhaps
somewhat
inaccurate,
because
the
first
section
actually
speaks
about
the
charter
review
committee,
but
then
the
second
and
third
do
not
so
we
were
proposing
that
we
just
strike
committee
from
the
title
of
article
16.
K
It
appears
that
the
proposal
was
to
eliminate
the
word
certification
from
that,
and
I
think
that
you
wouldn't
want
to
do
that
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
what
derek
was
suggesting
would
be
the
the
proper
effect
of
making
the
change
in
section
seven.
So
just
so
that
the
record
is
clear.
Do
you
want
to
do
anything
with
respect
to
article
nine
section,
one
and.
K
H
F
Then
finally,
we
have
article
17
general
provisions,
section
6
oath
of
office.
Currently
it
indicates
that
all
oaths
of
office
are
kept
in
the
city,
clerk's
office
and
the
city
clerk
keeps
the
oaths
of
office
for
council
members
and
appointees
to
boards
and
committees
in
the
commission.
But
we
do
not
house
the
oaths
for
staff,
so
we
were
proposing.
It
correctly
reflect
that
those
are
kept
in
the
human
resources
office.
E
I
have
a
question:
are
the
oaths
for
the
police
officers
also
kept
in
hr
or
those
kept
in
the
police
department?.
H
I'll
ask
a
separate
question:
do
we
even
need
to
have
this
level
of
granularity?
In
this?
I
mean
everyone
takes
an
oath.
I
get
that.
Do
we
need
to
specify
which
office
they're
held
in
are
kept.
I
mean
their
public
records
in
the
state
of
florida.
They'll
be
retained.
G
H
F
H
And
I'll
move
I'll
move
that
recommendation
that
section
six
oath
of
office
is
terminated
at
author
affirmation
period.
E
Just
put
a
discussion,
then
we
don't
need
the
proposal
for
us
that
are
under.
H
E
H
Yeah
it
all
we
change
the
well.
The
next
change
will
also
indicate
there's
a
there's,
a
clarification
on
which
the
two
districts
were
being
carried
over,
but
this
particular
change
was
to
go
for
four-year
terms
and
staggered.
So
we
decided
the
language
with
the
assistance
of
mark
was
so
that
half
the
the
council
was
elected
every
two
years.
We
just
clarified.
We
kept
that
language
in
there,
but
just
clarified
that
we
missed
the
the
second
half
of
that.
I
made
my
first
round
of
changes.
D
H
H
And
the
next
item
is
also
fairly
straightforward,
based
on
the.
E
No,
it's
the
first
one
is
it
did
you
have
something
else
there.
H
So
the
salary
information
is
fairly
straightforward.
This
is
based
on
our
discussion
last
meeting
in
the
vote.
Council
remain
at
a
percentage
of
the
county
commission,
which
means,
if
the
legislature
or
their
other
changes
to
the
county
commission
increasing
their
salary.
Those
salaries
of
the
city
council
members
will
be
adjusted
accordingly,
but
we
moved
it
from
20
to
30
percent
into
35.
C
Just
for
clarification,
this
on
their
agenda,
this
is
2c
oracle,
3,
section
4.
correct.
We
discussed
at
length
last
meeting.
H
Yes,
so
we
voted
on
the
changes,
we're
just
voting
on
the
actual
acceptance
of
the
language.
C
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H
Yes,
in
my
review
of
the
case
law,
I
don't
think
there's
anything
wrong
with
any
of
these
three
methods,
but
there
may
be
actually
more
methods,
because
the
tests
are
broader
and
give
more
flexibility.
K
My
my
quick
read
of
the
of
the
provision
gave
me
at
least
some
concern
because,
for
example,
the
pgi
and
bsi
canal
assessment
management,
now
maintenance
assessment
districts
are
are
assessed
on
the
basis
of
a
platted
lot
and
but
then,
when
I
looked
at
paragraph
c
more
carefully,
it
says
or
such
other
method
as
may
be
equitable,
and
so,
while
it
probably
would
be
better
if
that
was
a
separate
paragraph
d,
I
think
that
if
you,
if
you
make
that
change
and
present
it
to
the
to
the
electorate,
there
might
be
a
confusion
there
and
that
could
cause
considerable
consternation
with
respect
to
the
existing
districts
that
are
based
on
a
per
lot
basis.
C
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K
When
the
when
the
city
took
over
the
responsibility
for
the
maintenance
from
from
the
original
developers,
they
had
the
opportunity
pursuant
to
the
state
law
that
gives
us
the
authority
to
assess
or
fund
benef
fund
improvements,
by
way
of
special
assessments
to
to
do
a
study
to
determine
what
is
the
most
equitable
means
of
apportionment,
and
at
that
time
there
was
discussion
as
to
what
would
be
best
whether
it
would
be
on
a
foot
based
perfect
basis
or
on
the
per
lot
basis.
K
We
did
a
lot
of
research
on
the
question
and
was
prepared
to
respond
to
the
judge
with
respect
to
the
permissibility
of
a
per
lot
versus
per
foot,
and
essentially
the
case
law
says
that
as
long
as
the
methodology
is
reasonable
and
is
not
arbitrary
and
capricious
meaning
as
long
as
there's
some
basis
for
for
determining
that,
that's
the
way
it
could
be
done
in
it
and
that
and
that
the
city
has
determined
that
that
is
in
their
position
reasonable
and
equitable.
The
courts
weren't
going
to
substitute
their
judgment
for
that
of
the
city.
K
So
while
there
might
be
some
other
methodologies
out
there
that
the
city
might
want
to
use
in
the
future
as
long
as
it's
you
know,
equitable
and
reasonable
it'll
be
sustained
by
the
court.
So
it's
a
fairly
broad
test
and
and
so
based
on
the
research.
I
did
with
respect
to
that
litigation
and
the
fact
that
we
do
have
already
assessments
based
on
a
per
lot
basis.
K
I
think
it's
just
best
to
leave.
It
leave
it
alone,
it
is
consistent
as
derek
says,
it
is
consistent
with
with
the
statutes
and
and
the
case
law
interpreting
those
statutes
as
they
presently
exist.
Yeah.
H
H
Seven
in
the
state
constitution
says
all
taxes
must
be
uniform,
and
so
there's
been
some
push
on
people
to
say
that
if
there's
going
to
be
a
benefit
test,
it
needs
to
be
uniform
in
its
application,
not
on
square
footage
or
some
other
issue.
But
what
the
courts
have
found
is
that
a
special
assessment
is
not
a
tax,
so
that
uniformity
requirement
is
not
is
not
required.
H
So
I,
my
personal
belief,
is
either
change
stay
where
it
is
or
strike
out
the
entire
second
half
of
the
section
so
that
there
is
no
limitations
placed
on
the
city
with
respect
to
other
forms
of
assessment.
You
know
what
what
you
have
is
a
catch-all
provision
in
the
last
section
of
subsection
c,
which
I
think
will
will
always
be
applicable
because
of
the
way
the
special
benefit
tests
work
at
florida,
but
I
don't
see
any
reason
to
change
anything
based
on
what's
been
going
on
over
the
years
in
the
city.
I.
G
C
B
C
Frightening,
it
is
frightening,
however,
everything
that's
stated
here.
C
K
Yeah
and
that's
because,
under
home
rule,
the
the
city
is
given
a
very
broad
latitude
as
to
how
it
can
assess
and
in
fact
derek.
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
K
It's
intended
to
be
liberally
interpreted
and,
and
the
city
can
still
come
up
with
a
supplemental
method
of
assessment
that
isn't
even
discussed
in
that
statute
itself.
So
fortuna
aggressive
moment.
My
philosophy
with
respect
to
the
charter,
particularly
after
home
rule
was
recognized,
is
that
the
charter
really
isn't
supposed
to
create
new
opportunities
for
the
city.
The
charter
is
basically
an
attempt
to
reign
in
or
limit
the
very
broad
authority
that
the
city
has
under
home
rule.
K
To
if
you
don't
have
to
make
a
change,
you
probably
shouldn't
make
a
change
and
if
you
make
and
I'll
I'll
move
forward
to
the
suggestion
about
the
the
historic
funding,
if
the
state
has,
if
the
city
already
has
the
power
to
do
that,
based
on
its
home
rule
powers
to
put
it
in
to
put
in
a
charter
that,
as
a
charter
question
that,
should
the
city
adopt
a
funding
mechanism
for
historic
preservation
and
if
it's
defeated
by
the
electorate
does
that
send
a
message
that
the
electorate
doesn't
want
the
city
to
engage
in
historic
preservation
and
it
would
impliedly
would
kind
of
restrict
the
city
council
from
exercising
what
they
would
otherwise
have
discretionary
under
the
statute.
K
So
you
know
I
just
my
my
two
pieces
of
in
two
bits
of
in
of
suggestion
would
be
unless
you
really
need
to
put
it
into
the
charter.
It's
probably
best
not
to
make
a
change.
K
G
H
C
K
K
There
needs
to
be
a
clear
nexus
between
the
charge
and
the
benefit.
I
think
that
there
are
ways
that
the
city
can
fund
historic
preservation
that
don't
need
to
be
limited
by
the
case
law
as
it
relates
to
special
assessments.
C
Correct
that
you
need
my
endorsement.
Yeah.
K
Well,
so
so
yeah
I
mean
I
again
my
my
recommendation,
although
it
would
have
been
better
for
the
last
part
of
c
to
be
a
d.
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be,
and
I
think
that
as
long
as
you
read
it
like,
I
did
the
second
time
I
think
that's
broad
enough
to
cover,
for
example,
the
assessment
by
basis
of
lot.
K
K
When,
when
the
city
went
to
to
get
funding
to
fund
the
the
new
dredge
cut
the
new
navigation
channel,
the
buckley's
past,
yes,
in
order
to
come
up
with
an
assessment
methodology,
the
city
hired
consultant
who
went
and
came
up
with
a
very
complicated
methodology,
but
did
so
in
order
to
justify
what
the
city
was
attempting
to
do
and
make
sure
that
the
special
assessment
was
appropriately
spread
upon
the
benefiting
properties.
K
That's
an
example
of
where
you
know.
If
you
want
to
get
really
sophisticated,
you
can
do
that,
but
the
but
the,
but
the
law
doesn't
require
that
degree
of
specificity.
K
And
that's
why,
like
I
said
it
still
is,
is
legally
appropriate
with
respect
to
the
canal
maintenance
districts
to
charge
on
a
per
lot
basis,
because
not
every
not
every
property.
K
It
would
lend
itself
to
necessarily
a
per
foot
basis
because,
while
the
per
foot
basis
works,
fine
for
the
sea
wall
maintenance,
the
canal
maintenance
assessment
district
has
has
responsibilities
beyond
just
seawall
maintenance,
and
there
are
plenty
of
people
that
may
be
able
to
benefit
and
have
the
properties
can
be
benefit
by
virtue
of
the
navigable
channels
throughout
the
canal
district.
K
Even
if
they're
not
boaters,
they
still
can
benefit
by
the
water
quality
that
results
from
the
from
the
improvements
and-
and
so
you
don't
need
that.
Don't
really
need
that.
Really
fine,
really
fine
degree
of
ascertaining
what
the
benefit
would
be,
so
that
you
would
do
it
on
a
player
foot
basis.
It
works
very
well
on
a
per
lot
basis,
and
that
was
you
know
basically
the
argument
that
we
were
making
to
the
court.
K
The
judge
in
that
case
made
the
decision
that
the
challenge
was
too
late,
more
than
beyond
statute
limitations,
with
respect
to
the
manner
of
implementation,
the
the
determination
of
how
it
was
going
to
be
assessed,
and-
and
so
fortunately,
the
canal
maintenance
assessment
districts
can
still
do
it
on
a
per
foot
for
a
lot
basis.
H
David,
let
me
I'm
gonna
I'll.
Let
me
illustrate
for
the
for
the
committee
and
for
the
public
a
great
deal
of
the
assessment
case.
Law
comes
out
of
stormwater
assessments,
because
it's
slightly
different
on
the
degree
of
benefit,
because
you're
basically
abating
a
potential
harm
to
a
larger
community.
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
litigation
on
it.
H
I
recently
was
involved
some
litigation
challenging
and
assessment
and
in
the
research
I
came
across
a
case
down
in
the
florida
keys
and
key
west
implemented
a
stormwater
assessment,
our
assessment
fee
across
all
all
the
territory
of
the
city,
which
included
some
islands
that
were
disconnected
physically
from
key
west
and
in
one
of
the
cases,
an
island
that
was
separated
that
had
its
own
stormwater
system.
That
managed
itself
under
a
separate
permit
had
no
discharges
into
the
city's
system.
H
The
courts
held
that
that
was
still
a
valid
assessment
because
of
the
benefits
of
the
entire
program.
The
educational
elements,
other
elements
of
the
program
so
going
to
one
of
david's
earlier
points.
The
court
just
sees
there's
some
logical
connection
between
the
assessment
and
the
benefit
but
they're
going
to
leave
to
the
legislatures.
The
city
council,
the
the
determination
of
all
those
details,
they're
not
going
to
intervene,
they're
not
going
to
step
in
for
the
city
council.
You
know
you
should
have
done
it
here,
a
little
bit
to
the
left.
H
You
should
have
decided
that
so
much
more
of
this
budget
should
have
gone
this
they're
not
going
to
get
into
that
issue.
So
when
it
comes
to
the
validity
of
assessments,
whether
it's
per
foot
or
per
lot
or
those
are
the
simplest
cases,
those
are
the
easiest
to
defend
so
the
stuff
that
was
going
on
right
now
in
the
city
I
think
is,
is
you
know,
easily
defended
and
should
continue,
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
don't
make
any
changes
to
this
section.
A
B
C
C
Obviously,
another
concern
because
that
the
I
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
a
total
amount,
that's
going
to
be
required
to
renovate
this
building
at
this
point.
So,
although
there's
a
need
so
with
that
aside,.
C
We
just
have
to
vote.
I
guess
we'll
vote
on
article
seven
and
the
article.
C
Excuse
me
article
six,
it's
right
in
front
of
me.
I
can't
read
new
roman
numerals
any
longer
to
maintain
a
language,
as
stated
is
that
is
the
proposal
correct?
Okay,
we
have
a
first
second
discussion,
a
vote
all
in
favor,
of
maintaining
the
language,
all
right
all
opposed.
C
K
C
C
That
one
that
was
an
article
that
I
proposed
that
we
review
as
soon
as
I
find
it
here.
H
Well,
there
is
a
I
mean
I'll
just
have
my
point.
There
is
a
requirement
under
chapter
163
that
there
is
a
local
planning
agency.
We
call
it
the
planning
commission,
but
there
is
a
local
planning
agency
requirement.
H
You
know
you
have
three
choices.
The
city
council
can
be
the
local
planning
agency.
You
can
have
a
separately
appointed
local
planning
agency
in
a
very
small
minority
of
cases.
You
can
have
staff
serve
as
a
local
planning
agency.
So
I
don't
think
that
the
the
the
need
to
have
one
is
a
requirement
of
state
law.
H
It's
not
required
to
be
in
your
charter,
although
for
reasons
we
discussed
earlier
trying
to
take
something
out
seems
to
be
more
adding
confusion,
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
the
intent
was
maybe
to
talk
about
augmenting
their
authority
or
in
some
way
or.
C
H
C
F
H
C
The
electors
shall
have
the
power
to
reject
the
polls
etc
through
the
election
process,
and
it
goes
on
to
say
within
20
days
after
the
enactment
of
the
council,
of
any
ordinance
other
than
the
type
of
ordinance
here
and
identified
above
a
petition
signed
by
qualified
electors
of
the
city
equal
in
number
of
at
least
10
percent,
registered
voters
etc.
I
was
my
my
thought:
there
was
a
change
that
30
days.
H
So
for
my
my
reading
of
this,
this
would
not
apply
to
say
someone's
unhappy
about
a
certain
ordinance
rezoning,
a
piece
of
property
that
wouldn't
apply.
It
would
be
something
like
the
city
adopts,
a
new
sign
code
or
a
code
with
respect
to
the
maintenance
of
sidewalks
or
some
some.
H
G
H
H
E
Do
it
it's
meant
to
be
that
we,
when
we
elect
people
to
office,
we
elect
them
with
confidence,
and
we
want
them
to
feel
empowered
to
represent
us
and
do
the
best
and-
and
we
hope
that
they
have
our
best
interest
in
mind,
and
that-
and
we
see
this
all
the
time
with
people
commenting
on
that-
you
know
next
door
and
other
social
media
about
whatever
yeah,
and
it's
meant
to
not
be
easy.
E
It's
meant
to
be
that
you
have
to
really
get
your.
If
you
really
want
to,
there
is
a
means
by
which
you
can
change,
but
it's
not
meant
to
be
an
easy
process,
otherwise
it
would
be
could
be
just
in
a
constant
quagmire.
H
G
E
This
is
different
than
when
we've
had
in
the
past.
Someone
generates
some
kind
of
a
social
media
petition
that
had
5
000
signatures
on,
or
people
put
their
name
on
it.
When
we
have
no
idea
who
they
are
and
where
they
live,
they
could
be
people
that
live
on
the
other
west
coast
of
the
united
states
or
whatever
this
has
to
be
certified
electors.
So
that
means
that
the
city
clerk's
office
would
have
to
then
verify
that
these
are
legitimate
electors.
E
A
A
H
Well,
it
sounds
like
unless,
unless
the
chair
feels
strongly
about
this,
it
sounds
like
there's.
The
committee
doesn't
feel
that
this
rises
to
the
level
of
necessary
tweaking
this
go
around
I
mean
I
I
will.
I
will
state
that
if
I
was
to
tweak
it,
I
would
want
to
change
more
of
it
and,
and
reason
being
is
that
sometimes
there
are
ordinances
that
are
passed,
that
people
are
unpopular
but
they're
passed
because
the
legislature
demands
something
or
some
and
there's
no
provision
for
that.
In
there
I
mean,
if
I'll
give
a
good
example.
H
Fireworks
people
have
strong
feelings
about
fireworks
pro
and
against,
and
for
many
years
the
legislature
said
no
firework
no
ordinances
on
fireworks.
Then
they
passed
a
rule
saying
without
exception.
You
can
have
fireworks
on
these
four
days
of
the
year
and
if
the
city
went
to
go
and
change
its
ordinance
to
conform
with
state
law,
you
could
have
people
come.
I
can't
stand
these
fireworks
on
new
year.
H
You
know,
and
you
get
into
a
situation,
that
the
reason
you
elect
people,
as
as
the
mayor
had
pointed
out,
is
that
they're
in
charge
making
these
decisions,
so
it
should
be
a
high
bar
to
bypass
the
the
will
of
of
the
public.
You
know
people
aren't
elected
into
representative
office
by
10
so
to
over
override
their
will
by
putting
something
on
for
referendum
and
effectively
neutralizing
the
application
that
law
until
the
referendum
is
actually
held.
H
So
if
a
law
was
passed
today
and
and
there
was
a
20
days
from
now-
there
was
a
petition
submitted
to
to
the
city
council
they'd
have
to
get
it
on
to
the
supervisor
election
by
july,
20th
or
something
to
that
effect,
and
during
that
entire
interim
period.
What
is
the
city
to
do
with
that
law?
Is
it
to
enforce
the
law?
Is
it
not
to
enforce
law,
even
if
it
gets
shot
down?
There's
there's
problems
so.
H
There
there
are
plenty
of
tools
in
the
toolbox
for
the
city
council
to
enact
protections
to
development,
to
tearing
down
buildings,
to
offer
our
incentives.
H
If
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
later
about
economic
development,
tax
incentives,
if
any
of
these
things
were
required
to
be
added
to
the
charter
in
order
to
effectuate
their
implementation,
I'd
be
in
favor
of
historic
preservation.
But
I
don't
think
that
anything
we
add
here
going
to
mr
levin's
philosophical
point
is
going
to
help
in
that
process.
A
H
H
D
D
H
B
D
Again,
it's
not
that
hard.
E
It's
not
that
it's
not
as
right!
It's
not
that
hard
and
it's
not
that
difficult
to
justify.
D
B
E
And
it
was
actually
recommended
by
someone
on
city
staff
to
take
a
look
at
that
building
and
so
and
looking
very
positively.
But
the
owner
of
the
building
made
a
claim
that
there
was
too
much.
It
would
cost
too
much
to
to
bring
it
back
to
whatever
and
we
would
take
too
much
money
and
and
then
before
you
know
it.
The
building
was
raised
and
it's
like
and
we
were
going
to.
Actually
you
know
looking
to
take
the
building
over
and
and
do
some
good
things
with
it
to
keep
the
building.
But.
D
D
H
G
G
D
Well
again,
just
to
add
to
that,
because
bill-
and
I
are
on
the
county
charter
review,
so
we're
having
double
the
fun,
but
that
body
has
made
some
you
know
in
our
interviews
has
made
some
recommendations
to
will
be
making
to
the
county
commission
that
are
not
charter
changes,
but
there
are
operating
policies
that
have,
you
know
been
uncovered,
so
I
mean
they
can
decide
to
do
what
they
will.
But
at
least
we
are
surfacing
some
things
like
that,
and
I
would
put
this
in
that
category.
E
I
would
agree
with
donna
in
that
we
are
not
necessarily
telling
the
city
staff
or
council
what
to
do,
but
the
fact
that
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
by
you
know
a
resident,
and
I
think
that
the
points
were
very
valid
as
to
what
the
possibilities
could
be.
But
it's
not
something
that
we
want
to
feel
needs
to
be
incorporated
in
our
city
charter,
but
that
the
city
council
already
has
the
the
latitude
to
be
able
to
and
mechanisms
in
place
as
per
the
state
statute,
to
create
these
mechanisms.
L
We
don't
always
want
to
change
ours,
but
if
we
can
enhance
policies
and
procedures
through
there
that
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
a
22
22-page
by-law
document.
I
think
that
it
has
merit,
and
I
would
say
that
this
is
one
of
those
areas
too,
and
the
historic
anything
around
the
historic
society
preservation,
I
do
think,
is
something
that's
important.
So
if
this
is,
if
there's
a
recommendation,
I
would
support
putting
something
forward.
D
I
don't
believe
we
are
it's.
The
historical
society
came
and
presented
to
the
hpab
a
couple
months
ago,
and
that
was
one
of
the
recommendations
they
made
that
the
city
applied
for
that,
especially
as
we
have
to
pursue
grants
to
do
some
of
this
funding
and
it
would
facilitate
the
grants.
H
D
Well,
just
as
an
aside
on
the
ac
freeman
house
again,
the
hpab
working
with
team,
pontagorda
and
ashley's
community
foundation
is
we're
going
to
convene
a
meeting
of
all
of
the
historic
groups
to
see
if
we
can't
come
up
with
an
initiative
which
would
bring
attention
to
the
need
to
for
the
public
to
get
engaged
with
supporting
the
renovation
of
the
ac
freeman
house.
So
hopefully
that
first
meeting
will
happen
in
april,
but
again
all
of
those
organizations.
D
L
B
H
C
C
K
Well,
in
the
in
the
broadest
scope,
the
charter
recognizes
the
city's
home
rule
powers
and,
under
this,
under
the
constitution
and
statutes
relating
to
homeless
powers,
we
have
really
even
greater
powers
than
a
county
has
in
dealing
with
local
issues.
The
only
limitation
is
that
it
not
be
contrary
to
the
constitution
and
not
be
contrary
to
a
specific
statutory
provision
so
in
in
the
broadest
sense.
K
The
charter
which
recognizes
our
homo
authority
would
give
us
the
ability
to
do
anything
that
we
care
to
do
with
respect
to
fostering
historic
preservation
with
the
two
limitations,
as
I
suggested.
B
H
D
C
You
know
very
important
part
of
our
city
and
make
sure
that
they're
maintained
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
2g
economic
development,
adventure,
tax
exemption.
H
So,
as
everyone
recalls,
this
was
the
the
city
manager
brought
this
to
us
the
last
meeting
and
gave
us
copy
of
the
statute
yeah.
I
reviewed
the
statute
and
here's
my
thought.
I
I
do
not
believe
for
the
reasons
we've
discussed
all
day
today
that
a
specific
charter
amendment
is
required
because
it
could
cause
a
problem
later
on.
Should
the
statutes
change
with
respect
to
this
and.
B
H
Not
included
in
the
charter,
it's
not
required
to
be
included
in
the
charter
and
and
to
the
extent
we
actually
put
it
in
the
value
of
that
would
be
only
to
place
further
restrictions
on
it.
And,
quite
frankly,
I
don't
looking
at
the
statute.
I
don't
think
it
goes
far.
It
doesn't
give
us
as
many
options
as
I'd
like
to
see
it's
very
it's
very
constrained
to
certain
certain
types
of
industries
with
certain
benefits
for
additional
industries.
H
I'll
point
out,
though,
that
if
it
is
approved,
it
only
applies
for
10
years.
It's
the
authority.
The
authority
of
the
city
council
would
only
have
for
10
years,
and
then
they
can
extend
it
again
for
an
additional
10
years.
G
G
H
Correct
I
mean
I
can't
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
manager,
but
I
think
what
the
manager
indicated
to
us
is
he.
He
would
like
to
see
that
the
city
council
has
more
tools
in
their
toolbox
to
deal
with
economic
incentives
and
other
things
to
encourage
the
type
of
development
type
of
you
know:
tax-based
diversity
and
other
issues
that
the
city
is
facing
and
to
the
extent
this
was
just
an
example
of
one
of
those
things.
I
don't
know
what
we
could
add
to
the
charter.
H
That
would
give
us
broader
powers
than
the
city
already
has
under
its
the
council's
own
home
rule
authority,
but
to
the
extent
that
we
were
talking
about
recommendations,
I
think
when
the
city
manager,
bringing
this
to
us,
is
asking
for
a
recommendation
and
my
recommendation
would
be
you're
going
to
be
holding
a
referendum.
There's
going
to
be
interest
in
these
issues.
I
No,
actually,
it
is
correct.
What
I'm
looking
for
is
the
ability
for
council
permissive
language
to
have
a
broader
range
of
tools
that
they
can
use
to
support
economic
development.
Certainly
there's
large
parcels
of
property
within
the
city.
That
developers
have
discussed
different
development
options,
but
there's
always
a
hindrance
of
needing
something
either
from
government
or
support
to
make
the
numbers
work
and
right
now
statutorily.
I
It
seemed
that
if
it
is
recommended
by
the
charter
review
committee
and
at
that
point,
the
option
of
that
was
to
be
put
into
the
charter
that
it
would
hold
more
weight
than
just
council
specifically
saying.
Well,
we
have
a
development
that
we
may
want
to
provide
a
an
incentive
for
when
many
times
the
development
itself
is
under
confidentiality,
and
they
can't
specify
what
that
development
is
so
many
times.
I
So
this
was
just
one
way
to
try
to
foster
that
tool
that
the
council
could
use
now
if
it
certainly
can
be
a
recommendation
that
council
put
that
on
referendum
and
potentially
accomplish
the
same
goal,
then
we've
at
least
made
a
step
forward
because
in
order
to
accomplish
our
goal
of
especially
larger
scale
development
in
some
areas,
even
perimeter
of
the
city,
annexation
and
commercial
development,
when
we
need
to
be
able
to
help
provide
incentives-
or
it
may
be
something
as
simple
as
parking
in
the
downtown
corner
city
center-
that
always
seems
to
be
a
hindrance,
and
we
have
studies
going
back
10
years.
I
We
certainly
need
to
be
able
to
unencumber
that
property
before
we
can
do
a
lot
of
this
with
tax
increment
anyway,
but
we
definitely
need
a
way
to
move
forward
in
being
able
to
do
some
of
those
things
that
help
that
development
occur.
The
way
the
city
council
sees
that
the
residents
want
to
see
that
happen.
H
H
I
We
have
discussed
that
actually
before
I
brought
it
forward
and
I
would
recommend
that
the
recommendation
be
recommended,
but
as
a
as
I
stated,
really,
the
intent
initially
was
that
you
know
the
only
option
we
were
seeing
to
get
it
to
referendum
was
the
weight
of
the
charter
review
committee.
If,
indeed,
you
are
taking
a
position
that
you
can
make
recommendations
to
council
to
do
that.
That
also
puts
that
weight
behind
it
without
actually
going
into
the
charter
and
that's
another.
Certainly
another
option.
L
E
I
would
agree
and
that
if
this
was
put
into
the
city's
charter,
it
would
be
so
specific
and
I
don't
think
the
charter
is
intended
to
be-
that
specific,
it's
more
in
general,
that
the
city
should
have
economic
development
programs
pursuant
to
state
statutes
or
something.
And
then
I
agree
with
derek
if
the
city
votes
it
down.
But
yet
you
have
the
other
it's
like,
because
this
is
very
a
very
specific
program.
B
I
H
Yeah,
so
I
think
the
recommendation
would
essentially
be
that
the
city
council
move
forward
a
program
like
this
and
place
this
particular
option
on
the
ballot
that
way
that
you
know
that,
while
the
while
the
charter,
the
question
when
it
comes
up
on
the
referendum
is
statutorily
derived.
So
I
can't
say
at
the
recommendation
of
the
charter
review,
you
know
all
of
the
documentation
the
city
puts
out
with
the
factual
information
ahead
of
the
election
like
what
is
this.
H
L
And
can
we
go
back
to
those
after
this
I
mean?
I
don't
know
if
there's
another
agenda
item,
but
after
we
finish
this
because
we
still,
I
thought
the
ncu
wanted
to
circle
back
around
the
historic.
So
I
feel
like
we
need
to
finish
this
vote
and
then
and
make
sure
everybody's
on
the
same
page,
for
whatever
those
recommendations
may.
E
Or
may
not
be,
I
figured
that
if
we
were
sitting
on,
I
would
bring
it
up
under
committee
member
comments,
but.
H
C
H
D
F
H
How
about
how
about
rephrase
it
as
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
they,
in
consultation
with
the
historic
preservation
board,
work
on
more
creative
ways
of
enhancing
historic
preservation,
yeah.
E
L
L
Just
explore
ways
too
or
explore
funding.
I
just
I
to
me.
Creative,
has
a
notion
behind
it
of
exploring
is
fair
to
me
and
what
they
would
be
doing,
because
I
don't
want
to
put
it
to
see.
I
don't
want
to
appear
either
that
there's
an
assumption
that
the
city
should
be
responsible
or
for
the
public
to
think
that,
because
I
don't
agree
with
that
either
and
I
think
that.
E
L
And
I,
and
also
because
I
feel
like
right
now,
there's
specific
things
going
on
with
historic
properties
but
down
the
road
I
just
feel
like
there
are
multiple
properties.
So
if
every
one
came
because
there
were
issues,
I
mean
the
city,
just
that's
a
lot
to
be
overseen
and
so
to
me
exploring
having
those
conversations
meet.
How
I
would
interpret
that
or
what
how
I
would
proceed
would
be
even
looking
at
contracts.
So
when
the
foundation
gifted
the
ac
freeman
house
like
if
you
look
in
that
contract,
there
just
could
have
been
different
things.
L
Maybe
that
would
have
been
worded
in
it,
and
so,
while
it
may
be
creative
of
looking
at
the
future,
I
just
I
think
that
it's
looking
at
that
whole
entire
process
and
when
transactions
are
done.
So
that's
to
me
explore
would
really
be
fair
because
it's
not
just
about
the
funding.
D
And
just
a
point
of
clarification
because
I
know
nancy
was
on
council
when
the
gill
street
property
came
up,
and
the
council
specifically
said-
and
I
thought
they
said
it
to
staff-
that
they
wanted
the
staff
to
come
back
with
a
program
that
the
council
could
then
use
in
the
future
for
evaluating
whether
it
was
going
to
provide
financial
support
or
not
so
that
that's
sort
of
what
I
was
envisioning
was
needed.
And
we
need
some
impetus
behind.
L
G
C
K
I
have
a
suggestion
within
the
context
of
the
scope
of
this
committee
and
what
what
you
all
did
with
respect
to
the
city,
manager's
request,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
good
precedent
for
other
requests
for
things
that
really
shouldn't
probably
go
into
charter,
but
should
advise
the
city
council
that
why
you
feel
it
shouldn't
be
in
the
charter.
K
K
The
the
suggestion
is
well
taken
and
this
and
would
suggest
to
the
city
council
that
they
take
it
up
for
consideration.
E
As
long
as
you
actually,
if
you
would
bring
up,
if
you
would
click
on
2f
for
us,
and
so
it
says,
recommended
action
determinative
language
regarding
historic
preservation,
funding
for
specific
purposes
should
be
recommended
for
inclusion
of
the
city's
charter,
and
what
I
believe
was
said
was
that
we
don't
believe
that
it.
This
is
something
that
should
be
included
in
the
city's
charter.
However,
we
do
recommend
that
city
council
explore
ways
to.
G
H
H
Every
six
years
I
think
is,
is
very
reasonable,
but
with
the
hopeful
changes
that
are
coming
with
respect
to
terms,
we
had
some
thoughts
about
whether
or
not
six
years
is
appropriate
for
the
public
and
the
charter
review
to
really
consider
the
implications
of
the
changes
we're
making
this
go
around,
and
so
what
I
was
thinking
was
to
either
recommend
moving
the
next
charter
view
out
ten
years
or
to
reset
the
six
years
to
some
further
point
out
in
the
future.
But
ten
years
has
seen
the
easiest
way
to
address
it.
H
E
So
if
I
remember
correctly,
it
isn't
a
mandatory
that
we
have
the
charter
review
committee.
It
is
that
we
can
and
because
I
think
it
as
it
was
in
the
city
council
meeting
when
I
was
still
on
city
council,
it
was
at
city
council
was
asked:
do
we
want
to
convene
that
we
have
a?
We
can
convene
one
every
six
years,
but
I
don't
believe
that
it
was
a
mandatory
that
we
have
to
so.
L
H
A
H
I
think
putting
an
option
in
the
language.
It
says
that
you
know
no
less
than
every
so
many
years
or
at
the
request
of
the
city
council,
where
it
could
be
brought
back
up
but
actually
have
a
continuing
committee.
I
would
be
opposed
to
it
only
because
of
if
anyone's
paid
attention
what's
been
going
on
in
sarasota
county
with
their
charter
review,
it's
sort
of
becoming
a
perennial
problem
where
you
know
everything's,
always
up
for
just
discussion
and
debate
like
a
soup
like
a
super
accounting.
A
C
Movement
to
10
years,
I'm
sure
you're
predicating,
that
on
the
acceptance
of
the
four-year.
C
H
E
I
certainly
can
understand.
However,
I
think
we
we
are
voting
to
raise
the
salaries
of
the
the
city
council,
members
and
that
six
years
ago
they
did
the
same
thing.
So
I
don't
know
what
we
will
determine
six
years
from
now
would
be
appropriate.
K
I'm
not
sure
about
that.
My
very
first
to
answer
the
question
about
shall
and
because
I
get
some
sense
that
maybe
that's
too
strong
in
some
instances.
K
K
Nevertheless,
as
as
derek
has
indicated,
there's
probably
as
many
case
law
as
much
case
law
that
would
suggest
otherwise,
but
so
I'm
I
would
suggest
you
leave
the
language
the
way
it
is
in
terms
of
xiao
versus
may.
If
you
were
thinking
about,
maybe
increasing
the
the
time
frame
between
meetings
to
10.
K
K
Something
comes
up
that
needs
to
be
addressed,
because
something
in
the
charter
that
wasn't
foreseen
is
now
creating
a
problem
based
on
circumstances
as
they
may
develop
over
the
years.
E
I
think
I
like
it
the
way
it
is
because
I
this
takes
it
out
of
the
hand.
It
says
the
city
council
shall
do
this,
so
the
city
council
is
doing
this,
but
the
city
council,
isn't
the
body
who's
really
telling
this
group
what
to
do,
and
I
think,
if
the
city
council
were
to
if
it
was
to
be
worded
the
way
mr
levin
suggested
that
it
may
put
the
city
council
in
an
awkward
position
of
saying.
We
want
something
you
to
act
on
something.
H
You
know
I
just
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
historians
here,
but
when,
when
the
king
of
france
called
the
states
general
before
the
french
revolution,
he
was
just
trying
to
raise
taxes
a
little
little.
He
wasn't
trying
to
kill
himself
or
cause
anything
bigger.
So
my
my
thought
would
be
that
if
the
charter
review
was
paneled
at
some
point
earlier,
their
their
authority
would
extend
without
limit.
Unless
limitation
was
added,
it
would
extend
to
all
issues,
not
just
the
specific
issue
that
the
council
put
them
asked
them
to
come
back
in
for.
C
So
concerning
article
16
section,
one
which
states
that
the
charter
review
committee
will
convene
every
six
years,
the
motion
is
to
maintain
the
current
language.
H
I
know
we've
discussed
a
number
of
these
things.
I
think
we've
we've
moved
past,
all
of
them
now.
The
last
item
discussed
earlier
today,
I'd
like
to-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
we
discussed
the
mayor's
relationship.
We
discussed
the
form
of
government
previously
and
I
don't
know
if
I
could
ask
greg
to
come
up
real
quick.
The
department's
structure
is
the
so.
H
Okay,
so
is
there
I'll
ask
the
question
and
then
and
then
I'd
I'd,
ask
that
we
we
discussed
it
further
at
the
next
meeting,
but
why
it
looks
like
in
it
was
changed
twice,
but
why
is
the
city
clerk
not
reporting
into
the
the
manager
as
well
just
given
the
powers
that
are
laid
out?
I
didn't
see
any
reason,
and
now
that
we've
changed
the
election
issues
with
the
supervisor,
I
wasn't
sure
why
there
was
a
if
we
knew
why
the
clerk
was
called
out
separately.
I
know
that
some
communities
do
that.
I
I
do
not,
I
would
have
to
say
in
my
experience
in
previous
lifetimes,
I
have
seen
that
city
clerk
was
still
appointed
by
council
or
commission
because
they
are
responsible
for
all
the
records
that
that
council
or
commission
generates.
I
But
then
there
was
also
a
combination
of
of
reporting,
an
accountability
that
went
to
separate
appointed
officials
such
as
a
county
administrator
or
city
manager.
So
I've
seen
that
combination,
and
then
I've
seen
it.
Of
course,
this
way
also,
so
I
I
can't
give
you
a
specific
answer
as
to
why,
except
that
they
are
responsible
for
all
the
documents
and
official
records
of
the
council.
So
that
may
be
why
council
appoints,
but
reporting
is
a
different
thing.
H
From
my
perspective,
it's
been
my
experience
and
sometimes
that's
for
the
clerk's
office,
which
coordinates
so
much
with
the
other
other
departments.
It's
it's
nice
to
have
some
kind
of
accountability
between
working
with
the
other
departments,
but
it
also
takes
some
of
the
pressure
off
the
clerk
and
responding
to
political
office
officers
of
the
of
the
council
when
they
have
when
they're
actually
reporting
into
you,
know
the
managers
so.
I
K
So
I
I
was
taught
that
the
reason
for
officers
like
city
clerk
and
city
attorney,
reporting,
directly
to
or
being
responsible
to
the
city
council
was
to
avoid
potential
conflicts
of
interest
with
the
administration
which
could
occur
if
the
city
manager
had,
as
a
singular
person,
had
too
much
authority
over
the
officers
that
were
supposed
to
have
independent
judgment
and
advice
to
the
city.
K
The
advice
that
ultimately,
the
city
got
might
be
less
than
appropriate
under
those
circumstances,
so,
city
attorney
city
clerk,
who
also
has
fiduciary
responsibilities,
has
more
protection
from
that
type
of
potential
undue
influence.
H
And
I
have
certainly
seen
that
see
fort
myers
had
that
problem
or
the
city
attorney
reported
into
the
manager
then
reported
in
the
city
council.
Then
there
were
two
separate
city
attorneys,
one
for
the
staff,
one
for
the
council.
I've
seen
the
issue
where
police
chiefs
of
police
were
appointed
separately.
City
of
sarasota
had
an
issue
a
couple
of
years
ago,
with
their
their
chief
so
and
I've
seen
financial
advice,
the
financial
department's
reported
separately.
H
I
understand
all
the
reasons
that
david's
laid
out.
I
think
that
that
is
more
clear
in
the
situation
of
the
city
attorney,
because
they're
more
usually
giving
advice
to
the
council
sitting
as
an
advisor
to
the
council
and
the
only
occasionally
is
the
council
and
the
manager
at
odds
at
issues,
but
with
the
city
clerk.
H
I've
seen
also
repeatedly
in
my
ex
my
experience
where
for
qualifications,
elections
and
other
issues
relating
strictly
to
the
political
side
of
the
aisle
they've
been
put
in
uncomfortable
situations
and
that
those
issues
don't
occur
when
they're
reporting
into
the
manager,
but
I'm
not
trying
to
put
pressure
on
sarah
or
anyone
else.
I
just
want
to
discuss
the
item.
F
E
I
don't
know
also,
if
the
your
professional
organization
of
the
the
florida
league
of
clerks
don't
have.
H
E
H
K
I
I
could
just
make
one
more
comment.
This
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
where
you
report
more
of
feelings
of
empathy
for
other
positions,
such
as
department
heads,
for
example,
myself,
anything
that
happens
with
me.
I
report
to
city
council
and
it's
all
under
sunshine.
So
if
you
discipline
me,
if
you
have
a
bad
evaluation,
if
you
want
to
fire
me,
it's
out
there
for
the
whole
public
to
know
by
department,
heads
reporting
to
me:
that's
not
the
case
and
I
can
sit
down
and
have
conversations
I
can
have
an
evaluation.
I
I
can
do
things
that
are
constructive
and
progressive
without
that
being
out
there
in
the
public,
and
I
don't.
This
is
in
no
way
reflective
of
city
clerk
city
attorney,
city
manager.
Just
that's
an
observation
that
I've
seen
in
florida
specifically
because
many
other
states
personnel
items
are
closed
session
or
not
in
the
sunshine
shade
meetings
and
in
this
state.
That
is
not
the
case,
so
I
have
observed
that
as
a
benefit
when
I'm
dealing
with
department
heads
specifically
not
that
that
reflects
on
city
clerk
or
attorney,
because
we
would
never
disagree
on
anything.
F
F
B
C
B
C
F
E
B
L
F
H
B
H
E
D
E
You
head
up
urban
design
and
I
might
head
up
public
works,
and
you
know
the
fire
department
might
be
you
know,
donna
and
so
and
so
on,
and
it
gets
very,
very
territorial
and
very
difficult
to
get
things
done
and
they
highly
discourage
it
and
that
the
form
of
government
that
we
have
is
is
actually
the
way
it
is
is
done
by
approximately
70
percent
of
all
the
municipalities
in
the
state.
There
are
411
municipalities,
so
I
think
the
way
we
do
it
is
the
best.