City of Punta Gorda 2022 Development Review Committee, 22 Aug 2022

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Utilities Advisory Board 8-22-2022

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We've got to be.

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At two Derricks, though, you know.

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On the agenda, it shows my name twice.

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I've never been, this is lovely.

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Oh, it's right in front of you. Oh.

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My god, thank you, yes call this meeting to order and.

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Just a reminder: um George: can you put the microphone right in front of you? Thank you.

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um Just a little um there's some microphone tips in front of you.

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That's better okay and when um Cafaro, if you speak, just make sure you move that microphone right in front of you. Thank you.

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Try not to buy whispering, um we start off please with the roll call George.

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Ruckty here Derek Rooney here.

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Here, Scott.

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Dennis Cafaro David, abder Holden.

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And uh is that green? Is the microphone green here? Okay, there keep it green. Actually. Thank you.

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Foreign, do we have any announcements.

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Moving on the next meeting will be held on September, 26th, 2022 and I believe it'll be held right here. We now know where to find it.

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A couple of us had a little bit of problems wandering around, but we certainly saw that facility moving on. We have the approval of the minutes.

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Questions on the minutes.

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Hearing none by them approved uh the next reports utilities operational data. We need a motion to approve them.

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We didn't get a motion for the motion to approve the minutes.

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Thank you all in favor and opposed.

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uh Next, we have the utilities operational there.

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Good morning, gentlemen, Neil Peters utilities director um I'm, going to go over the numbers for July.

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First time you can actually read them, I did print out a copy for everybody, though so they can have it in front of them. I didn't know, there was a screen up. Front, uh looks like the water plant.

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Average was 4.439 million gallons a day and the peak was six point: zero. Four six wastewater treatment plant at an average daily flow of 2.563 and a three month rolling average of 2.819.

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And the reservoir.

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At 5.51 feet.

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Next, we're going to go to the TDS chart.

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I think it's always uh amazing. You can see when the dry season is when the TDS levels go up and as soon as it starts raining, they.

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Going down, they start plummeting.

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Another indication of what a great job the RO plant is doing needs to be.

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Next will be the utility items on Council agenda in July.

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For the July 6 meeting, we had an award of agreement to Charter Machine Company of New Jersey for a purchase and delivery of a filter, belt press and skid dewatering system for the water treatment plant.

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For the July 13th meeting, we had an agreement award to Poole and Kent company of Miami for construction improvements for the shell, Creek filter media replacement and also the 2023-2027 utilities. Capital Improvement program, plus the fiscal year. 2023 utilities operation budget status, update I'd like to thank Kristen for putting all that together for us.

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Karen and I have a couple of questions, um especially let's see Award of agreement for this filter press.

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Ed was there a cost agreed to on that at the council meeting, whereas some sort of delivery time.

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uh Yes, on both for the record Steve Leonard included with your packet, Steve Adams has a synopsis of the projects and the cost was in there. Both were in line with budgetary estimate and Engineers opinion of cost. Both both were filled out and the press is about six months out. You know they gave us a timeline of when they thought they'd.

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That's a purchase of a piece of equipment both were done as a low bid. The filter media replacement only had one responsive bid, so they negotiated the price down. Five percent procurement did um and it was underneath the engine of opinion of cost. They plan to take about three months to finish. The project they've already removed all the sand and cleaned all the nozzles.

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When we get into the capital projects, we'll see the costs.

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Stephen one additional question: um we had discussed at the last meeting about a pipe being purchased by the the city in order to take advantage of both taxes and confirm the the deliveries. Do we consider any other large items for direct purchase.

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Procurement's policy is anything over. Ten thousand dollars gets considered, that's anything under ten thousand. They will not consider it's not worth the paperwork, but once you cross that ten thousand dollar threshold procure it's more of a procurement function than it is utilities, but utilities improvement, work hand in hand with any large items like that. There's a list of them we're going to do at the Wastewater Plant um as Owner Direct purchases, just as we did on the RO plant.

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And that pipe for Taylor Road is probably two-thirds. It's all here now.

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Yay, it's like you've covered a little bigger Hammer than the Sun.

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Quite a quite a wall of c900 pipe in our yard, so.

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Instead of there yeah.

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Better there yeah.

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Financial report: next! No, yes, excuse me, financial.

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I handed out the documents I don't have for the.

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But um okay, so we'll probably go over just July. Unless you have questions on June, I did get them out on Friday, but we are 83.3 through the year charges for services we're at 105.3 overall for Revenue Revenue 291.7.

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On the expenditure side, all the divisions are doing well, they're under 100 they're from 85 to 95 percent. So again they.

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Are outlay still on encumber.

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Are complete for the year the transfers for debt services are complete for the year butter treatment, plant expansion, The Debt Service, for that was moved out one year. So that's why you see the.

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Back to carryover ending any questions on that.

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I'm sorry I kind of lost track of time there we moved it out a year because of inflation or to get a grant I I. It's.

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Also, it's just timing as well, so we won't get.

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Or- and we didn't start the construction yet so we don't even need to start putting our one-year Reserve aside yet so next year, um August 31st is when the our reflown is scheduled to be heard at the meeting and we get on the priority list. Yes,.

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This August 31st.

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August 31st, if we get approved on the priority list, then we have to complete a full-on application, so they they have a lot of material from us already, but then there's still some extra View. Then if they get that approved, then we'll start building our Reserve as our construction goes forward. We are still exploring some other options like the wifia program um and then they are still getting us some information about. If we didn't do srf how much savings would there be.

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Not sure yet, if, depending on how much that is, if that will be a route we could go or not, it just depends because, obviously, the interest expense is higher on a bank financing.

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um Just one other question: uh Neil has the uh Department reviewed the facility plan that CDM completed? Have they reviewed that and given comments back to the city.

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Mr Adams answer that question good.

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Morning, Steve Adams, Utilities, Department, okay, so um in summary we started the design contract in July of 21.. Our overall projected beating is really November of this year so and said we don't have any construction expenses this year. As far as the facility plan, that was a requirement for.

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Money and it really what it was- was an update to what we called the preliminary design report. The preliminary design report was done, November of 21. and then we reissued it in 4, 18 22.

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call it a facility plan and it probably had a few technical requirements for the srf program, but ninety percent of it or perhaps more than 90 percent. It was really already completed so.

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Call that a preliminary design report you're really a schedule of all the improvements, as well as a lot of detail about what specific equipment that was we that's where we are on a PDR, quote-unquote facility plan. It's been viewed and approved by Tallahassee. It has been oh yeah.

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That's why we're going on the meeting and for funding we're rolling the we're on the approval list.

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Where we should be funded, you know the only time you don't get funded is if they run out of money, which is online.

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But the srf just so you know they only allow a certain amount per year, so we may have to do some interim financing as well.

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Hey Branch it out, maybe possibly for other years. Okay,.

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You mentioned SRS, and you also said we're looking at some other Financial. uh What are the others that were investigating.

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The wifia program we're looking at because that one would allow us to um extend the loan 30-year loan instead of 20 years and we're only going to try and do the parts that we think would last 30 years. We wouldn't want to have a 30-year loan on equipment that might.

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There are some from what I've heard that that one, you can only do up to 80 percent.

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Age keep hearing the the Opera arpa, they.

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That of any opportune for us again.

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I um our Consultants are supposed to be looking for that and helping there is funding out there. It seems it's just finding out.

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Karen the who are our consultants for like for the arpa funding, CDM.

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Okay, CDM Smith they're doing all of it, okay, is, is in the program that has the third year. Did you say was that Lithia or it's.

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Withia w-I f, I a acronym and I'm. So sorry, I, don't know.

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You know what it stands for, no.

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That's that's all right in the in the srf package that we have that we're requesting. Is it? Is it just a loan package or is there a grant request in there as well that.

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One's just a loan package.

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Consider, even though it's loan yeah.

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And is there, um you know, I know that it's very competitive, Grant and there's a lot of people going for it. Do we have any, and this may be yes, Steve Adams questions and orders in place or anything like that puts us in a higher priority. Are we just kind of in the general pool on this one.

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We have no consent, orders.

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So we're all just crossing our fingers, then all right.

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Pretty much if you apply for srf, you get it yeah, yeah I think we're going to meet all their criteria.

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Financial analysis. Do we preferred.

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Option and if the city has to go out to like bonding or traditional sources, do we do the city already have a financial advisor and everything so we're out.

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To bid for our financial advisor again, though,.

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Know the rules, change with financial advisors.

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These days so now you might have to rebit them, okay, uh they're in in the past, for for public institutions, there used to be there's more of a change in the fiduciary rules, so you used to be able to have a financial advisor.

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Just like people at home, you know you say well, but they get maybe get commissions and stuff have to have separation. Fiduciary.

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He has a packages but isn't putting things together for you and have to go out separately and get them yeah. So we have a fine. We have.

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Financial advisor and bond counsel, um we talked about maybe doing bonds, but the cost of doing bonds also can be significant. So we're really trying to find other alternatives.

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Great. Thank you.

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Sounds like quite a balancing act.

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It is, and it you know it you're constantly looking so it just.

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So the next page just shows our annual and where we are at year-to-date um so for water Billings we're at 85.6 percent sewer, Billings, 84.2 percent, so that's within our 83.3, but again that fluctuates during the year as there's some months that are a lot lower and some months that are higher and we budget based on that um all the revenues. 94.1 percent and that's um based on our projections, not original like the original. The first one was showing you departmental operating expenses.

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Overall expenditures are 74.8 percent with encumbrances 78.9 percent Capital outlay, again we're approximately 50 at through this part of the year.

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um Debt Service, like 100 in our transfer, is 100 percent. When we compared to last year, our water Billings are approximately 750 000 more than they were fiscal year to date um and July of 2021. We would expect that we did have a rate increase as well. um There's been construction and things like that so doing good there.

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Any questions on that.

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One real quick question and I: don't know if anyone knows this one did the city get its new Bieber numbers, the new population data. Have we now it's been a couple of years since covet I'm, just wondering if the overall population has increased enough, that for for Budget projections.

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So we did get our 2020 census and it was lower than the Bieber projections, so we had to adjust our population down. The only Bieber population that was updated was the 21 number. So we took that number and then used um working with Urban Design. They had a 0.18 estimated increase. So then we did that for 2022 and 2023. I think for 2022. We also did add. We did have an annexation and we knew how many units it was. So we did add that in as well, it's.

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All fairly marginal increases.

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Yes, it was very marginal, but it was it's slightly lower than our projections from the past. So if you were looking at something from our projections from before, we did have to take it down a little I.

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Just want to see, if that, how much of that that increase was based on rate increases versus actual number of users possible.

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Was that uh number.

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um I, don't have it in my head, it was under twenty thousand.

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Under under 20.

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Yeah, so we were at a point where we were just slightly over 20 000, and so we had to back it down under 20 000. awesome.

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Think for 2023 it's back up there a little bit but like because again we're we're starting from a couple years ago, based.

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On the census and annexations would have some impact on that. Yes,.

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If we Annex additional um I know, there's some projects, starting that have um that are multi-family units, so that would also help but they're, just starting I, don't think they're fully built out yet.

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Okay, I: don't wonder how they can differentiate between the uh snowbirds nowadays than the full population.

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Well, whoever is filling out the census is usually who is saying where their primary residences, so, if they just it just is as if they decide that Florida is their primary residence or their Northern home as their primary residence.

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That's all we can do.

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You you're welcome, so the next graph just shows where we are year-to-date revenues, we're approximately 18 million year-to-date expenditures, approximately 18.5 million, so we're pretty close there.

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We have our graph we're staying just ahead of projections and um just ahead of where we were last year, so um sometimes they're like almost right on where we were last year for this month, but you can see our actual compared to year to date we're still approximately um almost 900 000 to the good. There.

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um Then we have our water and wastewater by category inside and outside City Limits, and then we have it compared original, as well as to our revised projections. So again, when you look at the original projections, we were at 105 percent.

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When you look at the projections year to date, we're at 99.5 so we're just slightly under, but you know we may make that up still.

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And then the last graph is the graph showing total revenues, excluding the impact fees. um So again, it's mainly driven by our water and wastewater Revenue. So it kind of follows the same trend and then you have your expenditures by division. Just you can see where they were all at there year to date. Any questions.

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Next up we have the CIP update.

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You can do here, oh.

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Steve Adams Utilities Department.

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We have a summary of our active CIP projects for you this morning, we're generally going to give you a brief description of the project, a brief schedule and the values of work. Our first project on the screen this morning is the Henry Street Force main Improvement, and in the bottom of the sheet you'll see.

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There's a map indicating the project location, we're going to go from the bridge, I think that's the bass Inlet and we're going to extend to the mpf facility at 900, 900 Henry Street we're going to be replacing this CIP or a dip Force main with PVC.

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So this has been an active project for many years. We started a little farther west and this is increment three to get the dip replaced with PVC.

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In addition, we detected there was some gravity work that needed to be done, so we've added that to the project. Right now we have 60 plans complete, so we should be able to go out to the street on this later this year, early, maybe January, but maybe we might beat the Christmas season, I'm, not sure, okay. So now we need to scroll down.

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uh So here we have the Taylor water main Taylor, Road water main replacement.

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The location is beginning, Airport, Road and continuing down to the Alligator Creek Bridge, which is very near the Creekside development, and at this time, as we heard earlier today, we've received all the pipe in the yard and we have a contract contractors giving us a start date of mid-september.

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We're actually beginning work.

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Protein green, the maps on the next sheet, which we'll look at.

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Right now on that uh Taylor Road Project, is there any sort of urgency? Is there any sort of development or some sort of box facility? That's going in that needs the uh needs, the extra water that the 12-inch line will carry for, for whatever reason is there any real urgency?

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No any piece of that. It.

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Was really wrong.

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Is it like 4, 000, feet or I know it's a long pretty.

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It's a bunch it's more than that.

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It's seven times might be seven.

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Yeah, um so there wasn't an urgency when we programmed it. We just programmed it based on age of the asset. It's quite old and we've had difficulties with trying to repair it and I'm sure Neil can help out with details if he has anything on his mind,.

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Yeah I think the total footage is over. Thirteen thousand.

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Oh thirteen thousand yeah.

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Yes, yeah, it was uh originally the raw water line, so it was put back. It's probably 60, 70 years old and we've had some breaks, major breaks on it and the issue with it is that the valving is very sporadic. So if you have to shut off a certain section, you have to go all the way to the Alligator Creek Dam, all the way back to um yeah, almost to Airport Road, to be able to shut it off.

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Wow, so that's really the urgency yeah.

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And it's yeah: it's cast iron pipe.

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Too, so when it when.

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It splits and it's a mess.

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Okay, very good yeah, so many times I've seen in major water projects is you know, there's developers hammering on the wall come on. We need this water, blah blah blah, but yeah.

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I've and there's so much development down there with all the storage developments I cringe every time they somebody goes out there to put a hydrant in or it's just if I had one main to replace in Punta Gorda. That would be the one all.

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Right good, well, you're, getting it good.

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So great progress on Taylor Road finally,.

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I'll be happy when we see that complete being green, so we're building uh some water in Maine not into eating green I'll. Show you the map, really quick. Well, the map's, not that great, but I can explain it to you. We've had several streets out there that have had no water. Ever since I, don't know early 70s when this area was was done for unknown reasons. They just left some streets out, it's better for our customers and for the utility to go ahead and close those missing pieces.

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So we have a contract out now and it's with Cobb and uh they're right now, they're receiving material and stockpiling it on site. So we should be seeing work anytime now, probably in September, and if everything goes right, we really should be done between now and December. It's not a very complicated project, but it's definitely valuable.

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So we did have a failure uh on May 3rd of a pipe at the RO facility. We've had our engineer, help us evaluate the cause and to prepare specs for a replacement and right now it looks like the pipe material has already been bid and we have an apparent low vendor. So we should be awarding that and then, when the pipe is received, our own, inter our own maintenance, Crews, we'll install it.

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So we have a photo here indicating how we made an emergency repair on May 13th, where we cut a piece out and put in a temporary piece. So thanks to our maintenance staff, as well as our water distribution staff, we were able to get this to get this completed and put the RO plant back in operation.

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Here we are with belt filter press, which we briefly heard this morning. We put this in the CIP. We had a belt filter press at the water plant, it was I, think was purchased in o1, so it was quite old and we deemed it was beyond any kind of Maintenance. So we went ahead and programmed a replacement.

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That's been bet out selected and now we have a contractor who's going to fabricate and deliver the unit. So this is a conventional part of the water treatment process.

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That's just getting replaced.

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We got at least 20 years out of the other one, so we feel pretty good about that.

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Excuse me here: we have the water treatment, filter, media replacement project. This is a awkward photograph, but we're actually filming downward from the above catwalk to show what the filter looks like when the water's removed and you'll see the under drain and wash assemblies there we're going to be removing the sand and replacing it with new New Media I actually use two two Medias, so they call it a dual media filter and we're going to be replacing or fixing any of the under drain system. So we're doing this on the south filter.

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The north filter is not included in this project, but it's operating successfully right now, so no no work is programmed in the North.

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This is going great, we're very happy with this contractor and he's doing a great job for us. Everything looks like it's on schedule.

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We love to do this in the summer too. Of course, when we have less Demand on facility.

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Our treatment for I mean Water Treatment Plant. Well, four. We have several raw water um Wells at the water treatment plant to supply raw water to the RO facility. One of these Wells has started to Trend in upward um in TDS, so we're going to have our well contract come out and do an investigation and try to describe where this higher TDS water is originating and if there's any way to remediate the well to reduce these values.

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I can't remember if we selected, we have our and we have our plans out, I. Think for um selecting the water well contractor.

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So right now we're bidding to have a well contractor calm and he'll disassemble the well and put the investigative equipment in there and produce some recommendations for improvement.

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So here we have a picture of what the well field looks like and well number four I don't know if I can point to it or if you can see my pointer is over on the east side of the project where it says, did number five and then parentheses four.

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So that's one of the wells that was actually constructed as part of the RO project.

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We're going to try to make an improvement to that well in the near future.

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Far just a spatially: what what highway is this right out here that it's near our road? Is that just an access road so.

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Up here to the north of the photo, this is Washington Loop, Road and then over here to the left is the conventional Water Treatment Plant, oh I, see it.

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Now and then above.

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There to the north, but not in the view, it'd be the Hendrickson Reservoir and then over here slightly to the east is the RO facility.

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And then this is the cd-owned water treatment site in blue and we have a well field system, that's distributed throughout the whole property.

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Right now we're going to be working on well number four.

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We have a consultant who monitors all of our data every single month, and you know he tries to keep us between the lines and when they see something trending, they like to give us some guidance on making Improvement.

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You equally do you uniformly distribute the pumping uh Sometimes. Some of my experiences is when we've over pumped a well simply because we needed the water we over pumped it and bingo. Then.

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A pretty high increase in TDS, but then we may rest it for a month or so, and it seems to go back to where it was.

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That's unlikely, but that is one strategy.

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um For the record Steve Leonard again what the computer does, each time the RO plant a skid or the entire plant, both skids is shut down when the next skid is called to run. It automatically looks at the previous month's flows from all the wells and chooses the wells with the two least flows, so it will rotate each time the operators don't even need to intervene. They can just leave it in automatic, terrific.

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And we have a top-notch groundwater consultant, who you know, gives us guidance. What would their name be? Well, our main contractors with carollo, and then they use PWS professional Water Resources.

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Our groundwater consultant.

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If they're out of what Fort Myers.

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Brown in his group right, Andrew Brown, yep, yeah, they're they're in Sarasota, Fruitville.

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They do quite a bit of groundwater work all around, so we feel pretty comfortable that they're, giving us excellent excellent guidance on managing it. So we had something called a well field management plan which they wrote, and then they just follow that.

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Thank you, a squat achievement plan, so we've already talked about this a little bit. We started the project in July of 21 at this point, we're at 90 percent plan where we're trying to get some value engineering evaluated with our contractor, as well as with our designer and as well finances organizing uh the necessary loan package.

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So everything is pretty much on schedule and we should have the opportunity to move forward in November, I mean the next big step would be get a GMP from our contractor, which is Wharton Smith, so that will be coming back as well as to council, so we're looking for a GMP at this time.

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Well, of course, we've already seen this picture. It's maybe hard to see, but hopefully everybody remembers the great presentation that we got from CDM explaining what the scope of the improvements are or I can refresh anybody's memory. If you have any questions in addition to this uh two days from now, I believe August 24th see, council is going to award a contract with our okay consultant carollo to help us with our water modeling hydraulic model of our whole water distribution system.

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This is just an ongoing project, so that's what we'll be seeing on Wednesday and we'll be bringing you updates on that in the future.

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What we have for today.

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It sounds quite a bit on your plate. Thank you.

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Next, we have staff comments. Anyone have anything to one thing: I came across recently.

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Was a public perceptions of U.S tap water was in the uh last issue of a WWE Journal Steve I. Don't know if you happen to pick up on that, but it was. They had some interesting points that I thought should at least be made.

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uh They did a study back in June of 2020 about what the Public's perception is of the the water system, and then they did it again in June 21st and from June 21st. They said 74 percent viewed their water as safe 68 cents. Rated the water quality is excellent to good 71 percent were satisfied with their water. These levels were a marked decline from the 2020 study.

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71 percent said the truck. They trust their water utility, a new measure, but 78 percent did so when they had communication with their utility. When there was some method for um getting information out to the uh the public, a full 58 said they were even unaware that the utility did water quality testing such as bacteriological and disinfectant residual testing, and the article recommended a consumer confidence report be employed to improve customer Communications.

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In fact, that a report that was an online type of report from Charlotte North, Carolina North Carolina, has anyone been approached about doing any of these types of ccrs.

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For the record, Steve Leonard um I was unaware that other states weren't required to we as part of our dep permit, are required to publish and distribute a consumer confidence report annually from the water plant, showing the tests what tests were run and the results of the tests. It also has other requirements. We have to figure out a monthly bill for the average customer and that's got to be put on there so that they could.

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They can compare our rates with the other local authorities, but that is a a dep requirement for State of Florida for PWS.

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And I think Steve. They were talking more about getting information out to the public.

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The the CCR is distributed to each customer. That's.

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Dep, we have to show it to dep for for permission, and then we put it on the website. We have it printed. We included in the monthly bills. Is that is that what you mean or.

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You mean something else very much. No, that's very definitely is what I was talking about. Okay, what they have been talking about, I, wasn't aware that we were doing that.

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I wasn't aware everybody didn't have to do it. I've only done this in Florida. Well,.

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Apparently, there's a lot not doing it. Thank you.

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uh Moving on any member comments.

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Mr, chair I'm sitting on a another citizens, Advisory board with Brandon Moody, and he happened to be sitting next to me and I mentioned that it's been a year, so we Steve, we had talked started to put you on the spot about having him come, do a presentation. I just mentioned it to him, he's still wide open.

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For that he's very accommodating and I'm, not saying you know, we need to do this right away, but just keeping that door a little open he's he's got a lot on his plate, doing water quality in all of Charlotte County, so just tuck that away at some point, maybe during the winter. Whatever he's welcome to coming and he's doing a presentation for us, if we still want that, he.

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Does a lot of presentations and we did invite him and it wasn't available during our previous scheduling.

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I- also thought that since he's already doing these presentations, really the public has many opportunities to go and see him and The public's.

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Not here so I wasn't sure if it was really fair to him to bring him here for an exclusive presentation when he's pretty much already doing that to many organizations, including the BCC, but that's just you know one thought as to you whether something that he can squeeze into his schedule versus we have the opportunity to go and see him or even look at on the internet, where many of these things are on YouTube, there's opportunities to see what Brandon's up to he's doing a great job for the carrier.

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There's no question he's been we're using a lot of useful information and public trade to engage he's there.

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I think Mr Mr chair, if I may, I I, think I think I think you're right, Steve I, don't think it's I think it's not so much for the public.

B

What I would think that one of the advantages we'd we're talking with the county, obviously is Charlotte Park I'd love to find some way to get the people in Charlotte Park engaged, maybe maybe find a way to get them and Mr Moody somehow tied in so they understand what the concept is and that also to build on the support we're trying to get from the from the county to support that project. I mean that's, that's where I would see the value in it, I mean as a as a resident of Charlotte, County I.

B

Think yes, I, agree, there's plenty of opportunities, but how it ties into us, I think is. Maybe the Charlotte Park issue is a.

I

We can share that with the city manager's office.

E

Would he be involved with that, if that would go forward.

B

I think he would, by.

A

The way Steve uh the city manager is on the same board. So there's that connection. So it's a brand new one being I, guess organized by PGI, civic association and different entities from federal all the way down to I was there as a board member of the Charlotte Harbor Environmental Center, but the city manager is involved in that. So it wouldn't be a surprise but good suggestion. Dear.

E

Foreign, thank you. uh Is there anything else, oh, that I guess this meeting is adjourned good.