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Historic Preservation Advisory Board 03-24-2022
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I
know
this
I
mean
we
haven't
had
a
lot
to
do
in
this
committee,
so
it's
it's
not
a
hard
task,
okay,
so
by
acclimation
they're
reappointed.
Wonderful.
Okay.
Next
item
is
the
approval
of
the
february
24th
meeting
minutes.
Are
there
any
corrections?
Oh
sorry,
public
comments.
Yes,
I
always
do
that
all
right.
I
do
believe
we
will
have
public
comments
today
when
you
come
to
the
podium.
Please
state
your
name
for
the
record.
You
will
have
three
minutes.
I
Good
morning,
kelly
gaylord
from
the
ponte
gorda
historic
mural
society,
I'm
here
today
representing
the
board
of
directors
of
the
mural
society.
We
are
requesting
a
change
to
the
hpab
bylaws,
specifically
removing
duty
letter
k
that
reads:
review
proposed
murals
by
the
historic
mural
society
to
ensure
historical
appropriateness.
I
This
duty
was
inherited
by
the
hpab
and
added
to
the
bylaws
in
2007.
When
the
downtown
revitalization
committee
was
disbanded,
it
is
something
we've
been
looking
to
do
for
some
time
and
have
spoken
to
the
city
about
it.
Over
the
years
it's
been
on
hold
waiting
for
your
bylaws
to
be
up
for
review,
to
understand
where
this
review
came
from.
We
need
to
go
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
mural
program
28
years
ago.
I
At
the
start
of
the
program,
there
was
considerable
concern
and
apprehension
from
the
community
about
doing
the
murals.
Would
they
be
good
for
the
town?
Would
they
look
like
graffiti
lots
of
concerns
to
allow
for
widespread
reviews
and
comments
and
to
ensure
buy-in
across
the
community?
The
society
was
required
to
have
new
murals
reviewed
by
a
number
of
business
and
city
committees
and
boards
prior
to
bringing
them
to
cra
and
city
council
for
final
review
and
approval.
I
The
program
got
off
to
a
great
start
within
the
first
few
years
all,
but
the
city
reviews
fell
by
the
wayside
with
the
success
of
the
program.
The
remaining
reviews
were
the
downtown
revitalization
committee
and
cra
council.
The
revitalization
committee
was
eventually
disbanded
and
the
mural
review
process
moved
to
hpab
with
the
success
of
the
program.
Local
businesses
began
doing
murals
as
well.
This
led
the
city
to
create
a
review
process
for
all
murals,
which
is
now
included
in
the
city
ordinance.
I
All
proposed
murals
are
submitted
to
and
reviewed
by,
the
city
for
appropriateness
and
content,
including
the
societies
business
murals
go
through
one
review,
the
mural
society's
reviews
go
through
three
because
of
this,
and
that
it
is
a
real,
a
remnant
from
20
years
ago,
20
plus
years
ago.
The
society
feels
it's
time
to
remove
the
hpab
review.
The
city
council,
review
and
approval
will
remain,
and
even
the
council
has
streamlined
their
review
process,
adding
it
to
the
consent
agenda
to
keep
the
hpa
be
informed
of
our
mural
projects.
I
H
Good
morning,
my
name
is
bob
seifert,
I'm
with
the
historic
pontagona
civic
association,
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
ordinance
that
concerns
this
board
found
in
chapter
26,
dealing
with
the
historic
overlay.
This
ordinance
provides
a
process
to
waive
the
requirement
of
off-street
parking.
This
ordinance
has
been
ignored
with
your
indulgence.
I'd
read
it
short
parking
waiver.
H
H
Cars
are
parked
in
front
of
the
duplexes
on
down
to
the
street,
exacerbating
the
parking
challenges
that
have
already
existed
this
these
these
duplexes
sit
here,
that's
the
edge
of
the
second
one.
These
that
fence
represents
two
lots:
that
barbara
lashley,
which
is
the
house
you
see
in
the
background,
owns
because
she
was
afraid
to
be
more
duplexes
put
there.
So
these
these
cars
stretch
from
these
duplexes
all
the
way
down
to
her
driveway,
which
is
past
it
in
front
of
theirs,
plus
the
two.
Next
to
her.
H
F
F
F
There
a
section
second,
all
in
favor,
okay
minutes
are
approved.
We
don't
have
any
certificates
of
appropriateness
and
before
we
get
into
general
business,
I'd
like
to
reverse
two
items,
so
we
will
start
with
the
parking
ordinance
for
the
western
residential
district.
We'll
then
go
to
the
mural
presentation
and
then
we'll
do
bylaws
and
then
obviously
mitchell
has
comments
on
the
ldrs,
so
we'll
switch
those
too
okay
mitchell.
D
So
during
that
process,
which
took
a
little
bit
of
time,
city
council
actually
heard
this
at
their
last
meeting,
the
first
reading
of
this
ordinance.
So
this
is
on
your
agenda
today,
just
as
a
refresher
that
that
this
is
in
the
pipeline,
the
ordinance
will
be
scheduled
for
second
reading.
I
believe
it's
on
the
the
april
sixth
meeting
so
we'll
see
if,
if
it
is
adopt
fully
adopted
at
that
time,
but
the
effective
area
is
the
the
orange
area
on
the
screen.
D
D
D
People
only
selectively
read
signs,
so
they'll
see
parking
by
permit
only,
and
this
will
probably
limit
a
lot
of
the
parking
that
is
overflow
from
parks
and
other
areas
in
these
on
these
streets.
There
will
also
be
hang
tags
for
authorized
vehicles,
and
that's
so
that
the
the
police
can
enforce
the
ordinance
in
the
overnight
hours.
D
F
F
I
would
call
junk
cars
on
streets
for
months
at
a
time
and
the
police
couldn't
do
anything
about
it,
because
there
wasn't
an
ordinance,
so
it
was
and
it
was
a
two-year
process.
So
for
the
record,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
neighbors
who
worked
on
this
plan,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
for
their
perseverance.
It
wasn't
easy
and
they
looked
at
many
different
ways.
We
could
approach
this
and
this
seemed
to
be
the
simplest
and
most
cost
effective
way
to
have
it
happen
so
happy
to
see
it.
I
I
It
was
a
recreation
of
one
that
was
painted
earlier.
We
lost
with
hurricane
charlie
and,
as
part
of
our
ongoing
maintenance
and
inspections,
we
we
inspect
our
murals
periodically.
We
determined
last
year
that
this
one
actually
probably
the
year
before
that
that
this
mural
required
to
refresh
and
the
refresh
allows
us
to
improve
the
overall
content
and
how
it's
presented
in
the
mural,
the
current
figure
and
name
type
of
design.
That's
there
is
kind
of
an
old
design.
I
So,
just
as
an
fyi,
we
did
two
recent
refresh
one
didn't
really
change
in
design
the
other
one
did.
So
it
is
something
that
we
we
periodically
do
next
slide.
So
this
is
what
the
original
mural
looked
like
back
in
2003.
It
was
on
the
clement
building.
We
lost
it
with
hurricane
charlie
and
then
repainted
it
in
2007
on
the
baker
center
school,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
that
figure
and
name
type
of
design.
That's
there
next
slide.
I
I
We
decided
to
kind
of
capture
the
panels,
make
them
talk
about
areas
of
focus,
early
years,
religion,
education,
desegregation,
community,
community,
military
government,
entertainment
and
sports,
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
these
one
at
a
time
with
you,
so
the
very
first
one,
the
early
years,
features
the
building
of
the
hotel,
puna
gorda
and
show
the
unloading
of
the
the
train
cars
materials
from
the
train
cars
and
also
the
fishing
with
the
sharpie
boats.
That
was
something
that
was
real
big.
I
I
Everybody
called
him
uncle
dan
settled
here
and
he
organized
the
very
first
religious
service
that
both
blacks
and
whites
attended,
and
he
built
the
first
brush
arbor
next
one
benjamin
baker.
Again,
this
is
existing
connect
content.
That's
already
on
the
mural
features
that
he's
the
first
very
first
black
educator.
We
brought
here
dan
smith,
actually
recruited
him
and
the
first
school
was
built
for
the
black
community
in
1902
and
he
taught
there
for
many
years.
I
This
is
new
content.
It
features
the
third
baker
academy,
which
was
a
four-room
school,
was
built
in
1942.
It
also
features
the
charlotte
county
bus.
The
bus
is
in
the
current
mural,
but
it's
labeled
lee
county,
it's
incorrect.
So
that
was
a
mistake.
It
was
always
charlotte
county
and
it
also
features
mary
nightingale,
mary
drove
the
bus
for
19
years,
starting
at
out
in
el
jabin.
I
Englewood
brought
all
those
kids
to
puerto
pontigorta
every
day
and
then
also
worked
with
the
lunch
program,
so
she
drove
from
1945
to
1964,
so
we're
wonderful,
it's
great
to
have
this
photograph
of
the
actual
school
and
the
bus
and
her
so
we're
capturing
that
in
one
of
the
one
of
the
panels
so
the
next
one
is.
We
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
highlighted
the
charlotte
five.
I
They
were
the
charlotte
high
five,
the
folks,
the
hand-picked
students
that
led
the
charge
on
desegregation
and
what
we
did
was
we
captured
the
school
the
way
it
was
at
that
time.
The
front
entrance
is
not
shown
because
it
was
blocked
off
in
1963
there
was
actually
a
faculty
lounge
right
behind
the
front
door.
So
all
the
students
actually
arrived
through
the
side
door,
something
that
a
lot
people
don't
know
about,
and
so
we
kind
of
recreated.
What
we
think
would
be.
I
Again,
new
content:
this
is
our
community
panel
features
the
original
rec
center,
which
was
a
old
army
barracks
that
was
purchased
and
moved
to
land
that
was
donated
by
the
city
on
dupont.
In
charlotte
it
was
the
hub
of
the
community
and
it
had
a
playground.
It
was
also
a
place
for
after-school
help
and
a
lot
of
things,
dances
and
all
kinds
of
parties,
and
things
happened
there,
and
it
really
was
a
wonderful
place
for
the
community.
So.
F
I
I
I
The
next
one
is
robert
meacham
again.
He
was
also
in
the
original
mural.
We
now
feature
he
was
a
state
legislator
he's
actually
born
a
slave
and
purchased
his
own
freedom,
him
and
his
mother
and
then
grew
up
to
be
become
a
flora.
A
state
legislator
did
an
amazing
number
of
things,
but
then
also
became
our
very
first
black
postmaster,
and
that
is
a
picture
of
our
first
post
office.
So
again
we
kind
of
enhanced
the
content
there.
I
Next
one
is
entertainment,
nate
and,
and
his
florida
stompers
was
in
the
original
mural.
I'm
just
kind
of
standing
there,
it
was
part
of
goldman's
bar
was
a
amazing
place
in
the
in
the
center
of
that
community.
It
was
a
place
where
people
gathered.
It
was
a
place
where
nate,
of
course,
and
other
bands
played
his
father
owned
the
bar.
I
It
was
also
a
place
where
any
any
of
the
entertainment
coming
down
along
the
chitlin
trail
on
into
like
mccollum
hall
down
in
fort
myers
would
stop,
because
it
was
a
place
where
they
could
eat
and
they
could
also
entertain
people
like
b.b
king
played
there
little
willy
john
and
others.
So
it
was,
it
was
a
real
icon
and
those
those
arches
were
the
were
the
key
thing
in
goldman's
bar
people.
Remember
that
and
then
the
last
panel
was
sports.
We
wanted
to
highlight
the
sports
in
the
community.
I
Tommy
fulton
was
a
field
and
track
star.
He
was
the
second
black
man
in
the
united
states
to
break
the
four
minute
mile.
He
did
it
faster
than
the
first
guy
and
he
held
numerous
records
at
the
at
the
high
school.
I
think
one
of
them
is
still
there
one
of
them
held
for
42
years
before
it
was
broken.
He
was
seen
running
all
the
time
he
would
run
from
englewood
up
to
englewood
and
back.
He
would
run
to
port
to
northport
and
back
so.
I
We
wanted
to
highlight
him:
his
jersey
is
in
the
gym
at
the
at
the
school.
We
also
wanted
to
highlight
the
the
baseball
field
and
the
team
that
was
in
the
black
community.
I
don't
know
if
people
know
that
there
was
actually
a
baseball
field
where
the
baker
center
school
is
today
and
it
had
bleachers
and
stuff
and
and
they
would
play
typically
on
sunday
afternoons
other
from
other
teams
would
come
in
from
other
places
like
arcadia
or
other
places
to
play
them.
I
It
was
a
huge
draw
for
the
community
beside
beyond
the
black
community.
Dick
deskin
remembers
hearing
that
a
team
was
in
town
and
he'd
run
over
there
because
they
made
the
best
fit
fried
fish
sandwiches
that
were
wrapped
in
newspaper
and
dripping
with
grease,
but
it
was
just
a
fun
thing
to
do
so.
We
wanted
to
pay
tribute
to
that.
I
So
one
of
the
other
things
we're
going
to
do
this
particular
mural.
You
don't
really
get
close
to.
There
is
a
sidewalk
that
goes
in
front
of
it.
So
you
really
look
at
the
mural
from
the
sidewalk.
So,
instead
of
having
a
plaque
on
the
wall,
we're
going
to
do
proposing
a
informational
plaque
in
front
of
the
wall
that
will
have
qr
codes
on
it.
Our
sponsors
other
things
so
that
people
can
learn
more
about
the
panels
from
there
and
then
the
very
last
page.
You
can
kind
of
see
the
difference.
I
I
Yeah,
so
each
qr
code
takes
you
to
the
individual
page
on
our
website
for
that
mural,
so
we
only
have
to
keep
it
up
to
date
in
one
place
yeah
and
it's
typically
it
doesn't
change
that
often,
but
as
we
do
find
more
information,
I
mean
research
is
being
done
all
the
time
so
murals
that
we
have
out
there
do
have
some
incorrect
stuff
on
it.
Now
that
we
know
more
that
we
used
to
so
we
try
to
keep
it
as
up
to
date,
as
we
can
any
other
questions.
A
A
So
those
are
the
biggest
changes
since
the
last
we've
also
revised
the
language
regarding
continuances,
we
had
made
it
align
with
the
quasi-judicial
proceedings
and
the
initial
that
we
had
sent
out,
but
then
we
decided
that
it
went
a
little
further
than
this
board
needs
it
to
go.
So
we
trimmed
it
down
a
little
bit
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
allowance
for
meeting
locations
in
other
areas,
while
this
building
is
under
renovation.
A
B
B
B
B
I
know
that
I
understand,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
in
the
future:
the
language
of
the
bylaws
basically
say:
if
the
board
is
not
especially
given
that
authority,
it
doesn't
have
it,
and
so
that
becomes
a
question
about
what
happens.
If
I'm
not
saying
that's
anything
about
the
actual
cost,
I'm
saying
that's
an
example.
Okay,
that
people
might
want
to
provide
feedback
only
in
the
community.
F
B
Oh,
the
other
thought
about
it.
I
mean
it's
helpful
to
have
review,
but
what's
the
point
of
the
review,
if
you
can't
give
input-
and
so
one
of
the
concerns
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
work
done,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
history
center
and
even
the
bureau
society-
they
do
so
many
good
things
here
in
the
community.
B
So
I
think
it's
always
important
to
try
to
engage
as
many
people
in
the
public
to
get
their
perspectives
on
things
that
we're
doing
and
and
multiple
options,
not
just
at
the
city
council,
but
in
other
places.
So
I
think
it's
always
good
to
hear
different
perspectives,
and
so
I
think
getting
a
review
without
input
is
kind
of
toothless.
B
B
F
Well,
I
think,
regarding
plex,
we
have
recent
examples
where
we
did
provide
input
on
the
trebu
family
plaques
that
have
been
created.
I
mean
that
was
really
done
in
partnership
and
we
designated
someone
from
this
body
to
work
with
the
history
center
in
the
city.
So
personally,
I
think
input
is
appropriate
and
you
know
as
it's
developed
beth,
you
had
a
comment.
C
F
I
So
there
was
a
very
first
version
of
that
mural
which
it
got
thrown
away
in
the
revision
of
it.
I've
been
coming
kelly,
gaylord,
sorry
for
the
record.
I've
been
coming
to
this
board
for
10
years
to
present
our
murals
and
in
those
10
years.
I
do
not
recall
any
comments
about
historical
appropriateness
coming
from
any
of
the
members
of
this
board.
In
fact,
on
numerous
occasions,
the
board
members
have
said:
I'm
not
sure
why
you're
here
because
of
the
I
guess,
the
background
that
you
folks
might
have
or
might
not
have.
I
There
have
been
numerous
occasions,
because
this
is
a
gate
we
have
to
go
through.
We
have
to
get.
We
have
to
come
here
and
present
to
you
and
then
before
we
can
go
to
city
council
to
get
final
approval
prior
to
that
now,
because
of
the
ordinance
the
city
has
already,
city
staff
has
already
reviewed
the
mural
for
appropriateness,
they've,
already
reviewed
it
for
content,
they've
provided
any
comments.
F
I
I
totally
agree,
but
I'm
just
telling
you,
in
the
past,
we've
had
to
wait
till
you've
had
a
certificate
appropriateness
to
review,
to
be
able
to
get
on
the
agenda.
So
in
the
past,
when
you
met
a
lot
less
frequently,
which
happens
from
time
to
time,
we've
had
to
wait.
I
know
upwards
of
three
months,
so
it
kind
of
it
holds
us
up
as
well.
I
So
I
do
appreciate
your
the
fact
that
you
want
to
be
have
an
opportunity,
I'm
not
sure
how
many
folks,
you
actually
do
see
this.
To
be
honest
with
you,
we
get
a
lot
of
comments.
We
get
a
lot
of
views
from
from
the
city
council
meetings
and
we
we
appreciate
that,
in
fact,
the
fact
that
they've
moved
us
to
the
consent
agenda.
We
don't
actually
end
up
doing
a
presentation.
I
So
sometimes
we
like
to
do
the
presentation
because
it
makes
people
aware
what's
going
on,
we
tip
our
murals
are
typically
talked
about
in
the
in
the
paper.
We
do
publications
about
them.
We
do
newsletters,
we
we
get
the
word
out
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
about
them,
but
to
have
this
be
an
extra
gait
that
we
have
to
come
through
in
order
to
move
forward.
Has
is
the
thing
that
we're
asking
to
be
removed
and
again
it
is
a
leftover.
It
was
not
part
of
your
original
duties.
I
The
downtown
revitalization
committee
disbanded.
They
moved
it
to
here.
There
was
no
other
place
to
put
it
and
it's
been
there
for
the
past
15
years,
so
we've
we've
talked
to
city
about
it
numerous
times
over
the
years.
In
fact,
when
I
called
our
previous
actually
was
not
the
original
president
but
took
over
right
at
the
beginning.
I
called
him
a
couple
weeks
ago
about
this.
He
says
you're
still
doing
that
it
was
like
you
know.
I
can't
believe
we're
still
doing
that.
I
Also
business
murals
do
not
go
through
this.
The
business
murals
go
through
one
review
and
that's
the
city's
review
for
appropriateness
and
content.
We
go
through
three,
so
we're
just
asking
you
for
some
consideration
on
that.
It
does
tie
our
hands
from
time
to
time.
I
have
no
problem
coming
if
you're
gonna
have
a
meeting
I'll
be
here
and
I'll
show
it
to
you.
I
have
no
problem
doing
that.
I
G
D
G
I
Again,
if
you
go
back
to
the
ordinance
it's
about
structures
right,
this
is
what
your
duties
are
about.
I
mean
mitchell
could
talk
to
it
better
than
I
can,
but
if
you
go
to
the
ordinance
and
you
look
at
your
duties,
this
was
never
part
of
your
original
duties.
It
wasn't
part
of
the
the
bylaws
until
2007
and
again
it
was
inherited.
I
G
But
I
am
asking
you
know:
okay,
then
then,
is
there
anything
following
this?
Is
this
setting
a
precedent
that
if
you
don't
like
what
the
preservation
advisory
board
or
for
that
matter,
any
of
the
board's
commissions
of
the
city
are
doing
you
come
and
see?
If
you
can
eliminate
the
review
process?
Well,.
C
G
C
B
I'm
just
I'm
just
gonna
again,
just
reiterate
the
concern
that
I
understand
the
comments
and
the
fact
that
there
may
be
delay
from
time
to
time,
but
I
think
whenever
we
have
a
chance
to
engage
the
public
on
what
we're
doing
from
a
historical
perspective
and
the
opportunity
to
do
it
in
multiple
venues,
not
just
at
city
council,
not
just
between
the
city
and
a
private
organization.
We
should
be
promoting
that
kind
of
transparency
and
discussions.
I
think
it's
very
important.
I
agree
with
brad.
B
If
there's
different
people,
I
don't
know
what
happened
10
years
ago.
I
haven't
lived
here
for
10
years,
so
a
lot
of
it
is
just
because
there
haven't
been
comments
in
the
past
doesn't
mean
there
aren't
going
to
be
comments
about
things
in
the
future,
because
we
we're
a
changing
community
and
also
the
fact
that
just
circulating
things
to
us
electronically
may
bring
us
up
against
sunshine
law
issues,
because
then
we
can't
discuss
it
outside
of
a
meeting
anyways,
because
the
sunshine
law
says
we
can't
we
always
get
in
our
emails.
B
A
Well,
if
it
was
no
longer
something
that
you
were
supposed
to
be
reviewing,
there
wouldn't
be
any
kind
of
issue
for
you
if
it
was
removed
from
your
bylaws.
If
you
no
longer
have
any
kind
of
review
or
recommendation
part
of
it,
it's
not
something
that
is
going
to
be
on
an
agenda.
There's
no
reason
why
you
couldn't
talk
about
it.
Well,.
B
A
C
Again,
I
I
think
that
the
delay
that
occurs
that's
putting
a
burden
on
the
mural
society
is
not
necessary
on
our
part.
Again,
kelly
comes
each
time
to
present
the
murals
or
any
changes,
and
so
she
is
being
transparent.
I
just
if
we
already
have
two
processes
in
place
with
staff
and
city
council
to
approve
or
disapprove
or
comment
on
the
murals.
F
Okay,
since
I'll
just
add,
this
comment.
Take
the
planning
commission,
for
example.
That's
like
a
three-step
process,
I
mean
staff's
involved.
They
have
to
give
approvals.
It
comes
to
the
planning
commission,
we
make
recommendations,
it
goes
to
city
council,
it's
three
steps,
so
so
maybe
we
don't
need
the
planning
commission.
That's
kind
of
my
point.
G
I
Again,
I'm
sorry
so
the
mural
society
and
what
we
produce
is
not
part
of
an
ordinance.
It's
not
part
of
a
structure
being
built
in
town.
It's
not.
It
is
a
non-profit.
It
is
something
that
we
provide.
We
if
we
were
to
do
a
mural
on
a
a
private
building
which
the
majority
of
them
are
and
that
building
owner
decided
not
to
have
it
be
labeled
as
an
historic
mural.
I
There
is
no
process
for
doing
a
mural
outside
of
the
downtown
area,
which
we
have
some
of
our
murals
are
outside
the
downtown
area.
We
do
it
as
a
courtesy.
We
do
it
because
we
want
people
to
know
what
we're
doing.
We
want
people
to
to
stand
behind
it
in
the
very
very,
very
beginning,
there
was
a
lot
of
controversy.
There
was
a
lot
of
concern
because
no,
we
didn't
have
any
murals
in
town.
There
were
a
lot
of
gap.
There
was
a
lot
of
gates.
We
had
to
go
through.
The
murals.
I
Have
been
done
for
28
years
now
and
I
believe
the
program
is
very
well
accepted.
We
have
lots
of
opportunity
I
give
tours.
I
give
presentations
to
non-pro
to
other
nonprofits
rotary
lions
club,
women's
clubs.
We
are
out
there
talking
about
our
projects
future
projects
all
the
time
we
are
putting
it
in
newspaper
articles.
We
are
putting
it
in
newsletters,
it's
on
our
facebook
page,
it's
it
is
all
over
the
place,
so
people
have
plenty
of
opportunity.
I
believe
in
fact
we
encourage
people
to
give
us
comments.
I
I
It
wasn't
part
of
your
original
duties.
It
got
inherited
for
the
past
10
years
that
I've
been
here.
There
have
been
no
comments
of
substance.
There
have
been
no
comments
from
the
audience,
so
I
understand
what
it
looks
like,
but
that's
really
not.
Why
we're
here
we're
here
because
we're
just
trying
to
make
it
a
little
more
streamlined,
even
that
even
the
council
has
streamlined.
It
they've
put
it
on
the
consent
agenda,
so
we're
just
asking
to
make
our
job
a
little
easier.
I
We're
not
trying
to
take
anything
away
from
you
we're
still
we
can.
I
will
still
absolutely
show
up
here
at
the
meetings
and
go
and
review
the
project
with
you,
so
you
can
see
it
so
other
people
can
see
it
through.
The
video
people
that
are
attending
can
see
it.
That's
not
going
to
go
away,
but
right
now
it's
a
gate.
We
have
to
go
through
and
we
are
a
non-profit
we're,
not
part
of
a
building
we're
not
we're
not
guided
by
the
ordinances
in
town.
I
It's
like
you.
If
you
it's
as
if
we
had
to
have
the
historical
society
come
in
front
of
the
city
every
time
they
wanted
to
change
something
on
a
building
in
one
of
their
parks
or
that
one
of
the
buildings
that
they
owned.
They
wanted
to
upgrade
something
they
I
mean
they
do
it
because
of
building
ordinances,
but
they're
not
doing
it
because
of
the
historical
preservation.
Part
that
doesn't
get
reviewed
by
by
this
body
same
goes
with
anything
else,
trying
to
think
of
other
examples
again,
let's
not
turn
this
into
something.
I
I
So
let's
try
to
understand
what
it
is
and
what
it
isn't
and
we're
always
open
to
suggestions
and
and
people's
comments
were.
We
welcome
those
just
trying
to
streamline
the
process
a
little
bit
so
that
we
can
move
on
with
the
projects
that
we
have
you
meet
once
a
month.
We
have
to
wait
for
that
month
to
get
on
your
agenda
and
then
we
can
go
to
council
so
there
you
know,
there's
delays
with
fundraising
involved.
You
know
we
always
have
to
hit
various
organizations
at
various
times.
That's
enough!
So,
okay.
C
Thank
you.
I
would
say
that
this,
the
the
fact
that
it's
a
non-profit
really
stands
out
to
me
because
we
want
to
encourage
non-profits
like
them.
I
mean
the
mural
society.
I
see
them
everywhere,
she's
right,
like
they
put
their
stuff
out
there
everywhere,
not
just
the
murals,
but
the
information
on
what
they're
doing
so.
C
I
do
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
anyone
to
comment
to
do
anything
with
them,
but
they
are
a
non-profit
and
we
want
to
encourage
and
if
we
keep
making
all
the
nonprofits
go
through
so
much
government,
you
know
steps,
that's
tough!
We
you
know-
and
I
think
that
would
help
our.
I
think
that
helps
our
history
come
forward,
the
more
we
encourage
them,
not
hold
them
back.
So
I
just
think
it's.
G
I
also
understand
it,
but
we
found
that
by
going
through
the
steps
that
were
there,
we
didn't
always
like,
but
it
worked
out,
worked
out
well
for
us,
because
actually
we
ended
up
with
additional
hearings
of
what
we
were
trying
to
do,
including
houses
on
the
property
that
we're
in
a
historic
registry.
So
we
had
to
move
them
if
we
wanted
to
expand
our
parking
lot
and
that's
a
kind
of
way.
I
think
what
worries
me
a
little
bit
here
is:
why
can't
we?
Why
aren't
we
being
asked?
G
F
A
A
A
F
F
D
D
F
Because
because
again,
you
know
our
bylaws
talk
about
our
role
when
we
decide
whether
somebody
can
you
know
demolish
a
structure,
okay
and
how
long
we
can
stay.
That
would
seem
to
me
if
we're
supposed
to
have
a
role
in
determining
whether
you
can
build
houses
without
driveways,
which
thus
exacerbates
the
problem
that
the
other
policy
is
trying
to
address
with
the
parking
permit
program
would
seem
to
me
that
it
ought
to
be
reflected
in
the
bylaws
that
that's
what
we
do.
A
F
Yeah,
because
I
was
totally
surprised
that
we
were
supposed
to
be
doing
it
so
and
I'm
sure
nobody
here
knew
that
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
act
upon
and
again,
if
you
just
look
at
the
historic
district
and
the
congestion
I
mean
this
is
a
contributing
factor.
Is
that
we've
allowed
a
lot
of
people
to
build
houses
without
driveways.
F
D
B
F
A
F
F
F
F
E
F
E
E
You
get
skipped
on
me
here
there
we
go
sorry
about
that.
So
what
we
have
here
is
a
map.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
establish.
Is
development
right
standards,
they're
going
to
vary
by
regulating
districts,
it
ensures
protection
of
historic
character
and
in
that
we'll
have
the
creation
of
four
sub-districts
and
we'll
talk
about
that
later
and
a
local
register
of
historic
places.
E
Existing
historic
preservation
protections
we
have
the
existing
overlay
districts,
the
national
register,
the
downtown
commercial
bethel
st
mark,
and
we
have
a
process
in
place
right
now,
where
you
have
the
certificate
appropriateness
and
that's
required
for
any
exterior
work
for
all
structures
listed
in
the
florida
master
site
file
and
then
there's
the
tiered
review
tiered.
One,
as
you
know,
is
hpab
for
anything
relating
to
demolition,
relocation,
signage
variances,
exception,
zoning
approval
and
then
tier,
two
city
staff
for
all
others.
E
D
D
The
florida
master
site
file
is
a
survey
list
of
structures
that
are
old.
It's
not
typically
that's
50
years
old
or
older.
It
is
not.
It
is
an
evaluation
tool
to
determine
what
is
historically
significant.
It
is
not
typically
intended
to
be
your
list
of
structures
that
you're
actually
preserving
it's
to
identify
those
structures
that
you
should
be
preserving.
F
D
Going
to
go
through
all
of
that,
that's
that's
the
goal
here.
So
florida
master
site
file
surveys
were
done
in
1987
and
in
2003.
As
a
result
of
those
two
separate
surveys,
369
structures
were
identified
of
those
369
structures.
As
of
2018.
These
numbers
haven't
been
updated
because
that's
when
we
last
looked
at
them,
122
of
those
had
been
demolished.
Nine
had
been
relocated,
so
there
are
238
existing
structures
on
that
florida
master
site
file
of
that
238
structures.
D
D
So
that's
going
away
within
the
historic
overlay
district,
we're
proposing
some
name
changes.
Some
district
boundary
shape
changes,
adding
an
additional
district,
and
the
big
thing
here
is
adding
a
local
register
of
historic
structures
so
to
move
us
away
from
relying
on
the
florida
master
site
file
list
and
really
just
focusing
in
on
those
structures
that
we
as
a
community
have
said.
These
are
the
ones
that
we
want
to
protect.
D
The
majority
of
the
national
register
district
is
being
transitioned
to
the
downtown
historic
district.
That
district
will
actually
be
an
expansion
of
the
geographic
area
of
the
current
national
registered
district
boundary
within
the
western
residential
area.
The
current
national
register
district
extends
east
of
cross
street
41
southbound
into
the
commercial
area
of
the
city,
but
it
encompasses
primarily
structures
that
were
residential
in
character.
They
were
built
as
residences.
Most
of
them
have
been
converted
to
commercial
establishments.
D
That
district
has
a
very
low
concentration
of
existing
historic
structures.
The
importance
of
that
district
is
really
the
importance
of
that
neighborhood.
Historically,
there's
been
a
pattern
of
disinvestment
over
the
last
half
of
the
20th
century.
In
that
area,
and
by
and
large
the
community
redevelopment
area
was
established,
the
cra
was
established
based
on
that
pattern
of
disinvestment
universally
through
all
of
these
neighborhoods,
but
particularly
within
this
area.
D
We
specifically
want
this
neighborhood
conservation
district
in
place
to
encourage
that
new
development
to
be
reflective
of
the
traditional
pattern
of
development
that
occurred
in
that
neighborhood.
Originally,
so,
a
more
eclectic
mix
of
of
uses
and
housing
types-
and
you
know
hopefully,
bringing
some
life
and
energy
back
to
that
to
that
area.
You
know
to
fill
in
the
many
missing
you
know:
vacant
lots
so
just
quickly
visually,
seeing
the
the
downtown
historic
district
is,
as
shown
on
the
screen
here
on
the
map.
D
The
code
will
also
limit
the
number
of
permitted
architectural
styles
that
are
available
within
that
for
new
construction
to
the
list.
That's
on
the
screen
there
and
that's
relatively
in
keeping
with
what
is
in
the
current
code,
the
main
street
historic
district.
So
this
is
probably
the
most
radical
change
in
terms
of
really
shrinking
that
downtown
commercial
district
quite
significantly,
but
we're
shrinking
it
down
to
areas
where
we
know.
D
So
we
want
to
ensure
that
new
development
is
compatible
and
I'm
just
going
to
mention
this.
The
this
area
is
not
eligible
for
the
community
benefits
program,
so
there's
no
we're
not
allowing
additional
bonuses
for
density
or
height
in
this
area,
because
we
don't
want
to
put
any
additional
development
pressure
on
those
existing
historic
structures.
So
this
is
like
a
carve
out
within
a
larger
context
where
we
are
trying
to
encourage
additional
development.
D
So
that
district
again
is
limited
in
architectural
styles
to
those
listed
on
the
screen.
There's
an
addition
here
of
masonry
modern,
and
that
is
in
keeping
with
some
of
the
structures
that
are
that
are
in
that
district,
which
would
be
like
the
the
coldwell
banker
real
estate
office.
That
is
a
masonry
modern.
You
know
mid
20th
century
kind
of
construction,
which
is
in
character
with
that
area,
so
seeing
additional
buildings
built
to
that
sort
of
architectural
style
may
be
appropriate
and
so
the
grace
street.
D
D
And
again
limited
to
certain
architectural
styles,
which
are
consistent
this
photo.
I
just
draw
your
attention
to
this
a
little
bit
both
of
these
are
the
three
buildings
that
you
can
see
in
this
photo
are
all
new.
Those
are
all
built
in
the
21st
century,
but
those
buildings
are
actually
indicative
of
some
of
the
buildings
that
would
have
been
in
place
during
the
period
of
historic
significance.
So
you
know,
we've
been
trying,
as
as
a
community,
to
ensure
that
that
the
reconstruction
of
this
neighborhood
is
not
out
of
character.
D
So
another
piece
of
the
puzzle
here
from
a
historic
preservation
standpoint
is
the
architectural
regulations
of
the
built
form.
We
have
architectural
provisions
in
our
current
code,
however
they're
quite
weak,
they
are
there's
a
lot
of
text.
That's
redundant,
there's
a
lot
of
design
standards
that
are
open
to
interpretation.
D
D
The
proposed
regulations
in
article
7,
we
have
completely
new
provisions
for
for
7.1,
section,
7.1,
applicability,
modification
and
7.2
the
architectural
standards
within
the
architectural
standards.
There
are
major
subsections
dealing
with
general
building
principles,
special
building
standards,
standards
specifically
for
elevated
buildings
in
flood
zones,
which
is
pretty
much
all
the
historic
area,
but
some
are
more
severe
than
others,
depending
on
location,
frontage
standards
and
the
architectural
style
standards,
so
just
walking
through
those
real
quickly.
The
general
building
standards
talks
a
lot
about
these.
D
You
know
facade
composition
and
transparency
and
entrances
and
accessory
structures,
architectural
elements
and
building
materials.
Really,
this
is
architecture
101
for
anybody
who
reads
the
code,
architectural
traditional
architecture,
101
architect,
most
buildings
are
not
built,
are
not
designed
by
architects
they're
they're,
designed
as
they
always
have
been
by
essentially
master
craftsmen
by
people
in
the
construction
trades.
D
So
it
is
it's
important
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
that
design
background
because
they
may
be
highly
unfamiliar
with
that
in
the
20th
century,
we've
primarily
been
designing
for
the
speed
of
the
automobile
and
the
size
of
the
automobile,
and
traditional
architecture
is
based
on
us.
It's
based
on
the
size
of
the
human
and
the
pedestrian
pace,
so
the
level
of
detailing
the
rhythm
and
pattern
of
windows
and
doors.
Those
types
of
things
are
a
bit
foreign
to
a
lot
of
people
that
are
in
the
modern
building
traits.
D
D
There
are
10
architectural
styles,
which
are
listed
there
on
the
screen.
All
of
those
are
in
the
current
code,
with
the
exception
of
mid-century,
modern
and
masonry
modern.
If
you
go
to
the
historic
district
design
guidelines,
part
two,
the
document
that's
referenced
in
our
land
development
regulations,
a
version
of
both
of
those
it's
masonry
vernacular
and
modern,
I
believe,
is
what
it's
called
in
there.
But
a
version
of
both
of
those
styles
is
listed
in
that
historic
design
guideline
because
they
are
actually
indicative
of
the
community.
They
just
weren't
for
whatever
reason
included
originally.
D
D
F
D
D
What
structures
may
possibly
need
to
be
listed
that
weren't
listed
before
etc.
So
in
that
process,
city
staff
took
the
date
of
1965
as
the
cut-off
point
really
from
1965
onward,
so
1966
moving
forward
you're
in
an
era
of
production
construction,
so
there's
very
limited
sort
of
historical
significance
or
relevance.
There's
a
lot
of
you
know,
mixing
and
matching
of
styles
and
and
hodge
podging
things
together.
So
we
took
65
as
the
cut
off
point
and
we
surveyed
every
building
that
was
constructed
from
19
from
the
beginning
until
1965..
D
D
This
board
reviewed
with
staff
every
single
structure
in
the
current
florida
master
site
file
listing
and
the
proposed
370
structure.
So
all
675
structures
minus
the
122
that
had
already
been
demolished.
We
looked
at
every
single
one
of
those
together
and
there
was
a
consensus
by
vote
from
this
board
that
164
of
those
total
structures
were
worthy
of
being
listed
on
the
local
register.
D
F
And
and
again,
as
somebody
who
sat
through
those
three
years
of
looking
at
every
single
one,
the
determination
was
not
just
old
right,
but
it
had
to
be
significant.
So
from
an
architectural
standpoint,
or
I
don't
even
know
if
we
we
had
talked
about
it
if
the
dwelling
was
affiliated
with
someone
of
a
person
of
you
know
historic
stature
here,
you
know
that
was
a
consideration,
but
it
was
mainly
on
the
quality
of
the
architecture
and
what
they
represented.
F
D
And-
and
there
is
a
lot
of
information
as
far
as
relating
to
people
who
may
have
been
associated
with
that
building,
architect
builder
developer
owner
tenant,
there's
really
no
records
that
the
staff
could
could
look
through
to
to
identify
that
we
we're
not
historic
preservation
specialists.
Certainly
I
am
not,
and
we
were
not
able
to
identify
those
things.
It
was
really
the
community
bringing
those
things
forward.
So
when
somebody
in
the
community
could
say
hey
yeah,
you
know
one
of
the
bayley
brothers
built
this
house
as
a
rental
property.
For
you
know:
income.
D
F
D
And
maria
there's
also
the
condominium
the
the
old
condominium,
which
was
actually
built
kind
of
as
a
motel
at
on
jamaica
way.
It
was
built
in
1965
that
was
built
by
pogba
isles
incorporated.
So
these
early
structures
that
are
sort
of
foundational
to
the
history
of
pineal
gourd
isles
incorporated
were
there's,
I
think,
seven
or
eight.
Maybe.
D
D
Yeah
and
and
there's
actually
there's
a
couple
of
other
structures
which
didn't
make
this
cut
because
they
were
built
in
the
latter
years
of
of
they
were
built
as
model
homes
that
may
be
worthy
of
consideration.
There's
one
it
was
built
by
wayne
goff,
it
was
the
waterfall
house,
you
know,
so
there
may
actually
be
another
a
couple
of
others
that
are
worthy
of
consideration
in
the
future,
based
on
on
on
their
significance,
but
by
and
large
this
list
of
164
structures.
B
Just
one
quick
update
kent
kressler
and
I
met
again
in
march
to
discuss
the
notion
of
the
funds
park
updates
proposal
and
based
on
input
from
mitchell
about
some
ancillary
materials.
We
should
create,
like
an
executive
summary
talking
point
to
the
slide
deck
we're
working
on.
All
of
that
now
and
kent's
been
traveling
for
the
past
couple
of
weeks
out
of
the
country
when
he
comes
back
in
in
april,
we're
hoping
to
start
to
go
to
different
community
historical
organizations
to
get
their
input
on
this
concept.
B
G
G
C
F
Well
again,
I
just
want
to
remind
folks
that
our
schedule
is
based
upon
business
that
has
to
be
accomplished.
The
certificates
of
appropriateness
and
mitchell
has
been
very
good
about,
because
I
we've
probably
had
some
meetings
that
we
like
today
that
maybe
we
wouldn't
have
had
because
we
don't
have
those
to
review,
but
now,
with
the
variances
on
driveways,
I
mean,
I
think
we
I
think
this
group
as
long
as
there's
something
that
we're
doing
is
meaningful.
I
don't
think
we
mind
having
the
meetings
and
I
frankly
don't.
C
C
E
B
G
F
I
wouldn't
I
don't
want
to
personalize
this.
I
think
it's
really
it's
not
about
kelly
or
whoever
is
in
that
world.
It's
the
process
right
so,
and
I
think
this
board
took
a
stand
that
we
wanted
to
be.
You
know
formalized
and
included
in
the
process,
and
I
don't
disagree
that
it's
a
slippery
slope
right.
You
know
when
you
just
decide
and
if
it's
historic
preservation,
I
think
it
falls
into
that
category,
but
I
think
obviously
we
should
do
everything
we
could
to
make
sure
that
she
can
get
in
expeditiously
and
we
don't
delay.
F
He's
the
community
relations
manager
for
the
community
foundation
and
nancy
johnson
for
team
ponta,
gorda
and
justin
brandt
okay,
so
they
have
agreed
to
convene
a
meeting
of
all
of
the
history
groups
or
those
who
are
interested
in
coming
together
to
talk
about
a
potential
strategy
for
helping
the
city
raise
awareness
for
this
project.
Perhaps
thinking
about
how
we
might
support
it.
F
F
They
have
your
name,
they
have
the
list
from
mitchell
wright
of
the
other
folks,
and
so
the
ball
is
in
their
court
to
call
that
meeting
they're
enthusiastic
about
it,
though
I
will
say
that
they
both
thought.
This
was
really
a
great
community
venture
want
to
work
on.
It
have
lots
of
ideas
not
only
about
the
restoration
aspect,
but
future
use
of
the
property,
so
I
think
they'll
be
a
good
partner,
so
that
connection
has
been
made.
F
F
So,
like
one
of
the
ideas
that
that
we
discussed
superficially
was
the
block
party
gives
money
to
not-for-profits
as
a
result
of
the
entertainment
and
the
food
and
everything
they
have.
So
I
was
thinking
why
not
make
the
ac
freeman
house
the
recipient
one
year,
because
the
black
party
is
a
historic
event.
It
was
formed
by
a
predecessor
group
and
that-
and
that
would
make
sense,
and
that
would
be
something
that
wouldn't
be
depriving
their
organizations
of
funds
that
they
would
normally
get,
but
it
would
be
a
broader
initiative.
F
D
Council's
direction
was
to
to
add
a
restroom
pavilion
to
maximize
the
potential
utilization
of
the
structure
and
revenue
generation
capacity
from
that
structure
moving
forward
because
of
the
location
of
the
existing
storm
water
management
area.
For
the
parking
lot
there
will
need
to
be
a
modification
of
those
permits.
D
However,
in
reviewing
that
and
thinking,
oh
wait
a
second,
let's
pull
back
a
second
and
re-examine
this,
because
we
also
have
this
structure
in
looking
at
the
more
closely
at
the
parking
lot
stormwater
permit.
It
actually
covers
most
of
the
area
that
would
be
available
for
expansion
of
the
city
hall,
council
chambers.
So
when
this
structure
that
we're
sitting
in
right
now,
the
78
edition
is
demolished
and
you
want
to
rebuild
in
order
to
make
it
larger.
We
have
to
push
into
that
into
that
area
of
the
storm
water
permit
for
the
parking
lot.
D
But
realistically
we
just
don't
want
to
you
know.
We
have
too
many
moving
pieces
right
now
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
fewer
moving
pieces
when
we
go
forward
with
that.
With
that
part
of
the
puzzle,
so
ac
freeman
house,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
wall
time.
So
it's
actually
good
in
a
way
because.
D
F
F
What
we
do
is
we
make
recommendations
to
alter
the
charter,
which
will
help
the
city
achieve
its
objectives.
You
know
so
that,
but
voters
have
to
vote
on
accepting
that
change.
So
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
was
coming
was:
did
we
need
to
put
in
the
charter
the
ability
for
the
city
to
create
some
sort
of?
Excuse
me
a
funding
entity
to
help
with
preservation.
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F
When
the
gill
house
was
discussed,
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
one
of
the
people
who
wanted
to
move.
The
house
came
to
the
city
council
for
a
loan.
There
was
no
way
to
make
that
happen.
Plus
there
was
no
policy
on
how
you
would
do
it
in
the
future.
So
the
charter
review
comm.
You
know
committee-
is
going
to
make
the
formal
recommendation
of
the
council
that
you
really
need
to
do.
You
need
to
have
a
strategy
going
forward,
especially
if
we've
only
got
164
truly
historic
structures.
G
F
C
F
C
D
So
from
the
time
you
sever
it
from
the
land
until
you
reattach
it
to
another
piece
of
land,
you
can't
get
a
bank
to
finance
that.
So
that
is
where
the
city
has
the
power
to
say,
as
a
lender
of
rat
last
resort
for
the
rehabilitation
of
historic
structure,
you
can
go
banking
if
you
have
relatively
decent
credit,
get
a
loan
to
rehabilitate
any
historic
structure,
even
if
it
costs
millions
of
dollars
more
than
it
would
be
to
knock
it
down
and
rebuild
it.
C
D
C
D
That
loan,
but
relocation,
there's
no
other
lender
who
will
so
unless
you
have
cash
in
hand,
you
can't
get
that
done.
So
that's
where
the
policy
tool
of
having
a
municipality
step
in
and
say
we're
the
lender
of
last
resort,
because
this
process
is
non-lendable.
It's
non-fundable
that
that
is
where
I
think
we
have
the
most
beneficial
impact
for
the
least
amount
of
controversy,
because
you
know
the
structure
is
going
to
be
gone.
C
F
Yeah,
so
so
again,
we
will
definitely
follow
through
on
that,
but
we
really
need
to
have
that
policy.
The
city
council
asked
for
a
policy,
and
I
think
this
just
makes
it
it
rises
higher
on
the
to-do
list.
Yes,
I
agree.
Okay,
great
meeting.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
good
discussion
and
look
forward
to
seeing
you
next
month.