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From YouTube: Alligator Creek Cutthrough Workshop Part 1
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A
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
april
6
2015
City
Council
workshop
on
the
alligator
creek
access
to
charlotte
harbor
AKA
bird
section
cut
through
please
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
council
members
and
our
city
manager
are
present.
If
you
have
not
already
done
so.
We
would
appreciate
you
turning
off
your
cell
phones
and
there
are
many
seats
up
front
right
in
the
front
two
rows.
A
B
A
E
F
A
Thank
you
and
our
city
manager
is
hanging
in
over
there.
Okay,
very
good
again,
I
want
to
welcome
you
all.
It
is
wonderful
to
see
you
here.
It's
obviously
a
topic
of
interest
to
many
of
us.
As
you
can
see
behind
me,
we
have
our
agenda
identified,
we'll
begin
with
a
history
of
alligator
creek
access
to
Charlotte
Harbor,
which
our
city
manager
will
present
Howard
kunuk.
A
We
will
then
have
a
presentation
by
Hans
Wilson
of
Hans
Wilson
and
associates
on
the
proposed
alligator
creek
cut
through
to
Charlotte
Harbor
in
our
city
manager
will
identify
lots
in
the
affected
areas
of
Connor
gorda
in
charlotte
county
and
at
that
time.
At
that
time,
then
we'll
also
have
an
opportunity
for
any
of
you
who
wish
to
speak
to
come
up
and
provide
citizen
input.
When
you
do
that,
and
we'll
remind
you
again,
but
we
will
ask
you
to
form
a
single
line
at
either
microphone,
there's
one
here
and
on
on
either
side.
A
All
speakers
must
sign
in
again.
We
want
that.
So
we
know
how
to
spell
your
name
for
the
record,
as
you
state
your
full
name
and
whether
you
are
here
on
behalf
of
an
organization.
We
will
be
limiting
comments.
23
minutes,
you
don't
have
to
use
your
three
minutes.
If
you
agree
with
the
previous
speaker-
and
you
just
want
your
name
on
the
record,
you
can
do
that
and
come
forward
and
say
so,
but
again
we
will
be
timing
for
three
minutes
in
case
each
every
one
of
you
wishes
to
take
three
minutes.
A
A
G
Our
communic
city
manager,
how
many
of
you
were
at
the
isles
yacht
club?
Okay,
I
won't
I'll
do
a
brief
chronology.
Since
most
of
you
were
at
the
isles
yacht
club,
the
cut
through
has
been
a
topic
in
the
city
for
over
10
years.
This
is
not
new.
A
number
of
city
boards
and
committees
have
discussed
this
potential
project
throughout
the
years.
G
Committees
such
as
the
waterfront
development
advisory
committee,
the
revitalization
committee,
the
punta
gorda
isles
and
burn
store,
aisles
canal
advisory
committees
and,
as
recently
as
the
one
percent
Local
Option
Sales
Tax
Committee,
which
was
made
up
of
representatives
from
all
of
the
city's
neighborhoods
at
some
point
in
time.
Over
the
past
10
years,
representatives
who
sat
on
these
boards
and
committees
have
discussed
this
project
in
one
form
or
another.
G
G
G
City
Council
passed,
City
Council's
current
city
council.
A
lot
of
members
have
changed
over
the
last
ten
years,
but
one
thing
has
remains
the
same
and
that's
the
mantra,
and
that
is
to
the
group's
who
are
proposing
the
project
address.
Who
pays
come
up
with
an
overall
game
plan
as
well
as
a
more
defined
cost
estimate
and
then
and
then
we
need
to
determine
whether
the
people
in
that
affected
area
are
going
to
want
to
pay
for
this
project
through
an
assessment
or
not.
G
I
Evening
everybody,
my
name,
is
Hans
Wilson
I'm,
a
licensed
professional
engineer
and
I've
been
doing
waterfront
facilities
in
Southwest
Florida
for
over
30
years.
I
have
suffered
many
a
wound
from
battling
with
the
permitting
agencies
and
spent
many
an
hour
in
the
water.
Looking
at
these
kinds
of
sites,
so
I'm
used
to
doing
this
kind
of
work.
I
The
Punta
Gorda
boaters
Alliance
asked
me
to
take
a
look
at
what
options
were
available
to
us
to
try
and
make
this
connection
and,
of
course,
my
first
questions
to
them
were
why.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
What
are
the
purposes
and
then,
of
course,
the
job
was
to
narrow
this
down.
So,
let's
get
to
where
we
are
I've
got
this
little
pointer
up
here.
I
Purpose
for
this
project
was
talked
about,
and
one
of
them
was
to
improve
access
to
Charlotte
Harbor.
That
was
one
of
the
main
ones
and,
of
course,
with
that
came
a
decreased
travel
time
to
ponce
inlet,
there's
a
significant
travel
time
for
most
voters.
If
your
way
up
in
the
interior
waterways
to
try
and
get
out
to
the
open
waters
of
Charlotte
Harbor,
the
value
of
a
second
entry
point
de
planta
gorda
isles
was
discussed
significant
value,
particularly
if
the
main
entrance
is
blocked
for
whatever
reason
and,
of
course,
weather
and
safe
harbor
considerations.
I
I
mean
any
of
you
that
spend
any
time
boating
in
this
area
know
how
quickly
our
weather
can
change.
In
that
front,
that
comes
in
it
doesn't
come
in
nice
and
slow,
sometimes
and
sometimes
comes
in
very
fast.
It
can
make
the
difference
getting
to
safe
harbor
if
you're
trying
to
get
up
the
ponts
versus
tucking
in
through
alligator
creek.
I
Of
course,
a
better
boating
experience
less
time
in
the
canals
course
some
people
like
to
travel
around
the
canals
and
look
at
the
other
houses
and
the
other
boats,
but
most
people
typically
want
to
get
out
and
go
sailing
or
go
fishing
or
get
away
from
the
urban
environment.
Of
course,
improved
access
for
listed
species
to
the
interior
canal
system.
I
This
is
a
map
that
you're,
probably
familiar
with.
This
is
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
right
here
is
the
project
location
I've
done
a
number
of
projects
in
this
area.
The
most
recent
one
was
up
in
this
look
area
up
here.
It
takes
on
the
most
distant
location
about
two
and
a
half
miles
or
72
minutes
it
get
from
this
person's
home
all
the
way
around
down
back
up
the
room,
perimeter
canal
and
out
ponce
inlet,
that's
a
pretty
significant
travel
time.
I
The
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
looking
at
what
we
call
the
halfway
point
between
the
exit
to
charlotte
harbor
with
ponce
inlet
up
here,
an
alligator
creek
down
here.
This
location
right
here
is
important
to
keep
in
mind
as
we're
looking
about
traveling
and
who's
being
involved
they're
paying
for
this
project
next
slide,
please.
I
This
is
a
overall
site
plan
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
of
where
we're
talking
about
making
the
title
connection
and
I'll
get
into
some
detail
as
to
why
that
location
next
slide,
please.
This
is
a
composite
of
the
proposed
plan
that
we
have
arrived
at
and
keep
in
mind.
This
plan
is
an
iteration
of
actually
quite
a
few
different
alternatives
that
we've
looked
at.
This
plan
is
also
significant.
I
Channel
depth,
we're
proposing
is
to
minus
5
feet,
mean
low
water
or
the
controlling
depth
and
alligator
creek.
If
Charlotte
County
is
successful
in
getting
their
permits
modified
to
minus
6
feet,
we're
also
looking
at
the
50-foot
channel
width.
That
is
what
I
feel
is
something
I
can
actually
get
permitted
with
the
agencies.
It
makes
sense
for
the
size
vessels
if
you
go
and
look
into
some
of
the
design
criteria
for
channels
you're
going
to
find
it
probably
recommends
it
be
larger
than
that,
but
we
also
have
a
significant
mangrove
fringe
right
in
this
area.
I
All
these
mangroves,
that
would
be
potentially
impacted.
We
did
look
at
an
alternative
alignment.
One
of
the
alignments
we
looked
at
was
actually
taking
advantage
of
this
portion
of
this
excavated
canal.
That
was
to
the
east.
However,
it
put
us
in
Charlotte
County,
so
we
had
a
shared
project
with
in
Charlotte
County
and
within
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
It
also
would
have
been
on
this
gentleman's
property,
so
we
would
have
to
seek
compliance
or
consent
from
them.
I
Kind
of
put
the
project
too
close,
so
I
felt
it
was
important
to
stay
within
one
jurisdiction
if
possible.
We
also
talked
about
a
channel
alignment
coming
straight
down
on
this
side
and
in
fact,
one
of
the
team
punta
gorda
proposals
was
a
channel
that
was
80.
Foot
wide
would
have
a
significant
impact
to
mangroves
so
trying
to
find
that
balance
of
what
boats,
what
size
boats.
What's
the
access
like?
What
are
the
impacts
to
the
neighbors?
What
are
my
permitting
issues?
I
It's
quite
a
balancing
out
trying
to
get
something
we
think
is
going
to
work.
Of
course,
the
dredged
material
will
be
spoiled
on
this
location
and
trucked
off
site.
There's.
Obviously,
some
additional
design
refinements
that
are
going
to
be
required
to
address
rojin,
shoaling
water
quality
impacts
and,
of
course,
aesthetic
concerns.
We've
got
an
ebb,
dominant
system
here
with
alligator
creek.
We've
got
a
shoal
system
in
this
area,
so
but
we've
also
dredged
this
before
so
we're
trying
not
to
reinvent
the
wheel
next
slide.
I
Please
this
is
our
state
regulatory
permitting
process
we're
going
to
have
to
apply
for
what's
called
an
environmental
resource
permit
and
that
application
gets
review
both
at
the
state
and
the
federal
level
the
agencies
do.
We
have
to
deal
with
that.
The
state
level
is
principally
the
Department
of
Environmental
Protection
and
within
the
Department
of
Environmental
Protection.
We
have
to
deal
with
issues
regarding
water,
quality
impacts,
flushing
resource
impacts
and,
of
course,
being
an
outstanding
Florida
waters
which
changes
the
classifications
in
terms
of
water
quality
standards.
We
also
have
the
division
of
historical
archives.
I
In
case
we
find
in
Indian
canoes
there's
going
to
be
some
archaeological
resource
assessments
done
I,
don't
believe
we
got
any
gel
nouns
or
mittens
in
that
area.
We're
also
going
to
begin
with
the
Florida
Fish
and
Wildlife
Conservation
Commission.
The
FWC
they're
in
the
process
right
now
working
with
Charlotte
County
on
developing
a
countywide
manatee
protection
plan.
It
is
going
to
be
a
question.
That's
going
to
come
up
that
we're
going
to
have
to
get
through
and
address
is.
Will
this
alternative
channel
alignment
have
an
impact
on
manatees?
I
That's
a
big
concern
when
we
have
to
be
able
to
address
to
their
satisfaction
because
they,
as
a
commenting
agency,
will
provide
a
letter
to
the
Department
of
Environmental
Protection,
recommending
approval
or
denial
of
the
project.
We
also
have
the
under
the
Department
of
Environmental
Protection,
the
use
of
sovereign
submerged
lands
with
an
alligator
creek
public
lands
or
sovereign
lands
are
administered
by
the
Department
of
Environmental
Protection
at
the
direction
of
the
trustees
of
the
internal
improvement
trust
fund,
and
that,
basically,
is
the
governor
and
cabinet
sitting
as
the
trustees.
I
So
anything
that
we
do
on
those
sovereign
submerged
lands
which
are
in
an
aquatic
preserve
are
going
to
have
to
be
clearly
in
the
public
interest,
or
at
least
clearly
enough
in
the
public
interest
to
satisfy
the
governor
and
cabinet
that
they
would
issue
an
approval
for
this
particular
project.
This
is
a
key
point
why
it's
important
that
the
applicant
be
of
a
regulatory
nature,
hopefully
being
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
or
Charlotte
County,
because
as
a
public
channel,
it
qualifies
for
consent
of
use.
I
If
this
were
a
private
channel,
you
would
actually
have
to
secure
submerge
easement
from
the
state
and
pay
fees
to
the
state
for
the
use
of
that
area.
Then,
of
course,
the
critical
component
of
that
is
the
coastal
and
Aquatic
managed
areas.
Came'
and
those
are
the
folks
that
are
your
stewards
of
the
Charlotte
Harbor
aquatic
preserve.
There
are
the
ones
who
administer
the
management
plan
for
Charlotte,
Harbor
and
they're
the
ones
who
have
the
requirements
that
need
to
be
met
to
show
that
your
project
is
clearly
in
the
public
interest.
I
Next
slide,
please,
let's
talk
about
the
federal
permitting
that
same
environmental
resource.
Permit
application-
and
we
submit
to
the
DEP,
also
has
to
go
to
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
they're,
the
regulatory
authority
under
Section,
404
and
section
10
of
the
rivers
and
harbors
act,
but
before
the
army
corps
of
engineers
will
issue
a
federal
permit,
they
have
to
go
out
to
a
number
of
commenting
agencies
at
the
federal
level
they
deal
with
the
US
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service,
the
FWS
again
on
manatee
issues.
I
Will
this
have
an
impact
on
manatees,
we'll
just
have
an
impact
on
manatee
habitat.
We
have
to
satisfy
the
FWS
that
this
project
will
have
no
effect
or
preferably
may
affect
not
likely
to
adversely
affect
that's
specific
language
that
goes
the
Endangered
Species
Act.
We
also
have
to
deal
with
the
National
Oceanic
and
Atmospheric
Administration's
group
nashwan
fishery
service.
We've
got
two
divisions:
we've
got
the
protected
resource
division
which
addresses
direct
impacts
too
small
to
sawfish
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
here.
Actually.
I
I
We
also
have
to
deal
with
the
habitat
conservation
division,
which
they'll
also
be
looking
at
it
in
terms
of
what
are
the
impacts,
essential
fish
habitat.
A
lot
of
the
mitigation
that
we've
created
actually
would
provide
a
greater
range
and
I
say
range.
It's
a
basically
a
greater
area
of
access
for
sawfish
around
that
red
mangrove
habitat
that
they
like.
However,
the
challenge
with
nationally
and
fishery
services,
they
don't
recognize
created
habitats.
They
only
look
at
habitat
that
gets
negatively
impacted
and,
of
course,
we've
got
outside
commenting
agencies.
I
Organizations
like
save
the
manatee
Club,
the
Sierra
Club
Conservancy,
you
name
it.
Those
are
the
folks
that
are
going
to
be
concerned
about
impacts
to
mangroves
mangrove
habitats,
the
birds
that
use
them.
Those
types
of
environmental
concerns.
Next
slide,
please
on
local
regulatory
issues.
Of
course,
we've
got
chapter
26
of
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
slan
development
regulations.
Trying
to
make
this
project
fit
into
their
land
of
element
code.
We
believe
it
will
qualify
as
a
recreational
facility.
I
Next
slide,
please.
This
is
a
sense
of
what
type
of
mitigation
of
public
interest
we're
going
to
be
challenged
with
in
order
to
get
this
project
permitted.
We're
going
to
have
this
direct
impact
of
the
channel
right
here,
so
we've
got
almost
a
quarter
of
an
acre
of
mangroves
that
we're
going
to
have
to
be
eliminated.
We've
also
got
an
upland
area
here,
and
in
fact
this
is
a
fill
area
that
runs
all
the
way
down
that
was
created
out
of
the
artificial
constructionist
basin.
I
Access
through.
It
creates
greater
shoreline
for
red
mangroves
to
drop
the
detrital
material
and
flush
it
into
alligator
creek.
In
the
this
little
waterway
in
here.
So
we'll
have
to
be
looking
at
options
to
satisfy
the
agencies,
that
the
project
will
have
a
net
benefit
and
that's
really
what
it
comes
down
to
is
cause
to
benefit
relationships.
I
Let's
see
here
and
the
deed
parcel
to
the
state,
excluding
the
connecting
waterway
or
place
under
conservation
easement,
which
means
that
the
balance
of
the
property
that
would
remain
unaffected.
We
would
also
talk
about
deeding
that
as
conservation
easement
area
and
that's
about
four
and
four
and
a
quarter
acres,
so
we
try
to
create
a
package
that
we
can
present
to
the
regulatory
authorities
to
say:
here's
our
benefits
us.
We
want
to
be
ahead
of
the
game
on
the
benefits
and
then,
if
they
agree,
then
they
will
issue
the
permit
next
slide.
I
This
was
the
opinion
of
probable
construction
costs
that
we
put
together,
and
this
took
into
a
couple
of
different
features.
We
I
have
done
a
lot
of
projects,
so
we've
got
some
pretty
fresh
construction
costs
with
no
pretty
well
with
our
construction.
Costs
are
to
do
the
actual
work,
but
still
went
ahead
and
vetted
that
with
a
number
of
marine
contractors
and
said,
look:
here's
a
project
that
we're
looking
at
these
numbers
look
reasonable
to
you
and
the
response
I
got
back
was
yes,
we
took
a
look
at
mobilization.
I
Basically,
we
looked
at
cubic
yard
edge.
This
whole
menu
of
activities,
that's
basically
the
construction
estimate,
and
then
we
added
to
that
the
mitigation
costs
of
which
were
almost
three
hundred
and
ninety
three
thousand
dollars
just
in
mitigation
alone,
and
then
we
also
have
the
cost
of
doing
the
engineering
and
permitting
construction
administration
making
sure
the
contractor
builds
what
they're
supposed
to
a
hay
wagon
fees,
because
we
don't
know
what
the
final
design
is
going
to
be
just
yet,
but
we're
pretty
close
and
then
special
assessment
administration.
I
We
know
there's
going
to
be
a
fee
associated
with
administering
the
distribution
of
the
cost
share
without
throughout
the
community,
and
then,
of
course,
we
got
land
acquisition
costs
before
we
can
do
anything.
We
actually
have
to
have
control
over
the
land
that
we're
proposing
to
do
this
work.
So
with
that,
we
came
down
to
about
1.3
98
million
I,
just
rounded
up
to
1.5,
so
we
had
a
good
order
of
magnitude
to
work
from
I
think
this
is
a
reasonable
cost
estimate.
I
Some
people
certainly
want
a
bigger
channel,
wider
channel,
bigger
boats,
deeper
draft
boats,
but
I
know
the
agencies
are
going
to
push
back
on
that
they're
going
to
say
no,
no,
no,
what
are
the
boat
sizes
in
your
community
there
and
we've
looked
at
that
we've
actually
gifted
with
some
excellent
work
from
Sea
Grant
and
the
University
of
Florida
in
terms
of
mapping,
the
waterways
in
Charlotte
County
and
identifying
the
vessel
sizes
and
the
drafts
and
those
that
are
restricted.
Those
that
are
not
next
slide.
I
Getting
back
to
that
halfway
point,
if
you
remember
I,
said
remember
this
little
spot
right
here
that
was
halfway
between
the
DeSoto
Inlet
and
alligator
creek
inlet.
That
is
what
I
used
as
a
point
to
establish
who
the
benefiting
properties
were,
and
we
looked
at
these
properties
and
in
fact,
I've
gone
in
and
spent
some
time,
as
has
my
associates
in
Hans,
Wilson
and
we've
counted
all
of
the
properties,
and
we
did
it
in
a
very
basic
methodology.
I
If
it
was
a
lot,
it
was
one
didn't
count
whether
it
might
be
multifamily
condominium
with
potentially
four
units
on
that.
One
lot
didn't
count
whether
it
was
commercial
versus
residential,
didn't
look
at
it
distinguish
between
multifamily
single-family.
Basically,
it
is
a
unit.
So
when
we
counted
up
those
units,
we
came
up
with
a
way
of
saying,
there's,
1556,
plus
or
minus
parcels.
That
would
benefit
by
having
a
shorter
travel
time
to
get
out
through
this,
connecting
cut
right
here
in
alligator
creek
versus
those
parcels.
That
would
go
all
the
way
up.
I
I
Next
slide,
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
is
applicant,
which
is
my
recommendation
to
Punta
Gorda
boaters
alliance.
The
city
of
Punta
Gorda
is
in
the
best
position
to
be
the
applicant
for
this
project
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
of
them
is
that
the
regulatory
agencies
generally
receive
an
application
from
a
governing
entity
much
more
warmly
than
they
do
from
the
private
sector
and
that's
just
a
reality.
The
other
item
that
I
mentioned
before
is
that
as
a
public
entity,
this
becomes
a
public
channel.
I
This
qualifies
for
a
letter
of
consent
under
chapter
18,
21
dot,
0
0
5
of
the
florida
administrative
code.
Those
are
the
two
codes
we
look
at
that
one
governs
regulatory
uses
of
sovereign
land,
18,
dot,
20
flug
administrative
code.
Deals
with
aquatic
preserves
will
be
dabbling
in
both
of
those
rules.
In
order
to
get
this
project
through
the
permitting
process,
we
also
have
more
latitude
in
addressing
public
interest.
Our
private
entity
has
a
limited
or
a
finite
number
of
resources
available
to
it.
I
The
city
may
have
projects
that
are
in
their
works
that
also
they
can
count
towards
public
interest
to
satisfy
the
state
agencies.
So,
while
we
may
not
as
well
probably
an
entity,
have
the
ability
to
consider
the
restoration
of
a
min
of
a
artificially
impacted
area
with
Brazilian
pepper
that
type
of
stuff,
the
city
has
a
function
of
perhaps
creating
some
recreational
amenities
may
be
able
to
go
in
and
excavate
that
down
and
plant
that
with
mangroves
and
count
that
towards
the
public
interest
for
the
particular
project.
I
So
there's
big
benefit
there
and,
of
course
the
city
has
the
organization
that's
set
up
to
manage
and
allocate
the
cost
to
the
benefiting
properties,
and
that's
really
one
of
the
most
important
things
typically
done
through
your
property
appraiser.
And
then,
of
course,
we
have
a
better
standing
to
secure
some
support
from
Charlotte
County
and
the
west
coast
in
the
navigational
district,
including
applications
for
grant
funds
voting
infrastructure
grant
funds
are
out
there,
but
they're
limited
to
local
governments
to
be
able
to
apply
for
those
as
a
private
entity.
I
You
really
can't
do
it,
but
as
a
local
government,
you
can
so.
In
summary,
our
preliminary
word
of
magnitude
estimate
was
1.5
million.
We
divided
it
over
the
approximate
1556
parcels
came
in
at
just
under
a
thousand
dollars
per
parcel.
Obviously,
if
those
parcels
have
more
units
on
that
footprint,
then
there's
more
people
to
share
the
cost.
The
cost
per
parcel
comes
down,
we'll
need
the
support
of
the
benefiting
property
owners,
obviously,
and
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
Charlotte
County
will
need
to
be
advocates
for
the
projects
and
supporters
of
the
boating
lifestyle.
I
That's
really
what
this
is
all
about.
This
is
the
unique
signature
that
your
community
has
basically
plunder,
gorda
isles
and
punta
gorda
in
general
is
really
being
seen
and
understood
and
appreciated
for
its
boating
and
community
in
spouting
aspects.
I
think
that's
the
signature
that
needs
to
be
considered
permitting
will
be
a
challenge.
I
will
not
deny
that
project
will
have
to
be
clearly
in
the
public
interest
relative
to
the
impacts
to
alligator
creek,
including
satisfying
the
MSP.
I
You
folks
that
manage
alligator,
creek
and
then
ongoing
maintenance
will
be
required,
along
with
the
cost
share
of
the
out
greater
creek
owners
for
the
downstream
uses
and
understand
that
maintenance
is
an
ongoing
feature
of
any
project
that
you
construct
so
anytime.
We
see
an
application
for
capital
improvement,
always
keep
in
mind.
I
In
the
background
there's
going
to
be
some
long-term
maintenance,
we
try
to
design
a
properly
so
that
it's
a
long
term
and
requires
minimal
maintenance,
but
every
project
requires
meaning
it's
over
time
and,
of
course,
that's
it
boaters
welcome
to
Punta
Gorda
and
Charlotte
Harbor,
and
this
is
a
sponsored
by
the
Punta
Gorda
boaters
Alliance
and
again
my
name
is
Hans
Wilson.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I'll
be
available.
Thank.
A
The
community
group,
a
group
of
individuals
in
our
community
who
really
have
worked
to
push
this
project
forward
and
have
hired
Hans
Wilson
and
his
associates.
They
have
done
a
great
deal
of
work.
I
mean
I,
think
it's
obvious
from
Hans
presentation
and
I
do
want
to
thank
them
into
thank
ons
for
all
their
efforts.
Our
city
manager
now
will
provide
a
the
identification
a
little
bit
more
detail
of
those
properties
that
are
affected
Howard.
G
Cons
did
a
good
job,
estimating
the
number
of
units,
as
he
called
them
units
next
slide
here
is:
what's
in
the
proposed,
the
proposed
assessment
area
existing
there
are
seventeen
hundred
and
forty
units,
and
you
see
them
between
single-family
homes
and
condominiums
and
for
multifamily
units
at
build
out
at
build
out.
The
assessed
proposed
assessment
area
could
have
another
one
thousand
and
nine
hundred
1095
units.
Now
that's
at
build
out
and
that's
an
estimate.
A
You
Howard
at
this
time
we
will
be
welcoming
citizen
input
and
just
to
be
very
clear.
We
as
your
council
members,
are
here
this
evening
to
listen.
We
will
not
be
responding
in
terms
of
answering
any
questions.
Obviously
I
think
Khan's
brought
forth
all
the
detail
and
the
number
of
questions
that
still
need
to
be
resolved,
but
we
welcome.
We
welcome
you.
We
welcome
to
listen
to
what
you
have
to
say.
A
J
J
A
J
J
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Doug
Reese
I'm,
the
president
of
the
burnt
store
aisles
Association
and
the
vice
chairman
of
the
canal,
Advisory
Committee,
for
burn
store.
Aisles.
Many
of
our
residents
have
contacted
me
with
concerns
about
the
volume
of
water,
the
tidal
flow,
if
there
will
be
differences
or
discrepancies
from
what
we
now
experience
and
then
the
other
issue
that
is
constantly
brought
up
is
how
busy
alligator
creek
is
from
exactly
the
area
you're
talking
about
creating
the
canal
to
the
outlet
at
markers,
1,
&
2.
K
A
L
I
guess
I'm
against
is
this
proposal
due
to
the
fact
that
I
will
never
use
it.
I
think
a
more
fair
way
would
be
used
to
do
it
like
they
do.
On
parkways
and
Turnpike's
you
get
an
electronic
sticker,
you
put
it
on
your
boat,
you
go
through
good,
you
don't
have
it.
You
pay
a
fine.
This
way.
The
people
that
don't
want
this,
like
me,
don't
have
to
pay
for
something
they
are
not
going
to
use.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
M
Obviously,
this
is
predicated
on
getting
the
permitting
and
effectively
keeping
alligator
creek
dredged
to
an
appropriate
level.
I've
come
in
and
out
of
there
twice
in
the
last
five
weeks
in
my
fishing
boat,
and
there
are
two
swales
at
three
and
a
half
feet
above
low
tide.
Well,
you
know,
that's
got
to
be
kept
open,
that's
in
violent,
but
you
need
to
think
about
a
larger
group
of
people
who
will
benefit,
and
maybe
you
do
a
tiered
system
of
assessment
like
I
say,
but
this
seems
a
little
like
surgery
with
an
axe.
Thank
you,
sir.
N
My
right,
my
name,
is
Chuck
Milberg
from
236
venezia
court.
My
question
is
or
I'd
like
clarification.
I
understand,
I've
heard
that
the
landing
companying
the
cut,
as
well
as
the
4.4
acres
to
the
southwest
of
it,
is
not
capable
being
developed
now
and
if
so,
the
value
given
to
that
seems
quite
high.
O
My
name
is
Mark
long
and
my
wife,
Lee,
Ann
and
I
are
permanent
residents
living
in
burn,
store
aisles
and
we
do
not
support
this
project.
Here
are
reasons
that
the
project
does
not
benefit
our
community.
Harbor
access
is
a
major
factor
in
home
pricing
when
we're
buying.
We
knew
what
homes
with
longer
access
times
were
less
expensive
and
considered
it
thoroughly,
balancing
time
to
harbor
and
home
price.
We
did
our
homework
weighing
the
boat
traffic
on
alligator
creek
as
well.
O
This
project
will
benefit
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
community
for
the
boating
convenience
and
their
home
values,
not
for
the
community
as
a
whole.
This
project
does
not
benefit
the
entire
boating
community
just
to
select
few
boulders.
It
will,
however,
be
detrimental
to
the
boaters
and
fishermen
who
acts
as
the
harbor
via
alligator
creek.
Will
those
who
are
negatively
impacted
be
compensated?
There
is
a
discussion
of
1,500
residents,
that's
updated
now
paying
for
the
project.
O
Does
that
include
city
staff
time
the
rental
of
this
room
tonight
as
a
taxpayer
I
believe
our
tax
money
should
be
spent
benefiting
or
community
as
a
whole?
We
previously
emailed
a
letter
to
the
City,
Council
and
boaters
Alliance,
indicating
that,
as
this
project
is
not
representing
the
greater
boating
community,
the
Alliance
should
recuse
themselves
from
this
project.
They
are
representing
a
very
select
view
of
the
boating
community
in
the
state
of
the
city
2015
report.
This
project
was
not
listed
as
an
economic
opportunity.
O
There
are
claims
that
will
increase
tax
rolls.
We
disagree
and
are
very
concerned
that
the
added
congestion
on
alligator
creek
will
have
a
detrimental
financial
impact
on
properties
whose
only
Harbor
access
is
alligator
creek
again
there
is,
will
there
be
any
compensation
for
those
impacted
residents?
This
situation
will
only
be
magnified
as
more
waterfront
properties
are
developed
along
the
outer
very
alligator
creek,
not
just
PGI.
O
The
most
important
environmental
point
is
that
environmental
habitat
will
be
destroyed.
Mitigated
sounds
like
a
nice
word,
but
the
fact
is,
habitat
will
be
destroyed,
disappear
forever.
To
select
you
so
a
select
few
can
get
to
the
harbor
faster.
The
city
proudly
displays
a
relationship
with
Charlotte
Harbor
National
estuary
program.
We
hope
that
the
unnecessary
destruction
of
more
natural
habitat
is
not
acceptable
to
this
council.
One
final
note
I
just
like
to
point
out
that
safe
harbor
does
not
mean
at
your
dock.
Thank
you.
O
P
Represent
myself,
my
name
is
Gary
Lipes
and,
along
with
my
life,
we
reside
on
the
property
that
adjoins
the
land
proposed
for
creating
bird
pass,
to
connect
alligator
creek
to
perimeter
canal
of
PGI.
We've
lived
here
for
15
years.
We
don't
object
to
the
concept
of
bird
pass,
but
we
do
have
several
concerns
regarding
the
positioning
of
the
pass
in
regards
to
our
property
first
concern:
we
have
85
feet
of
shoreline
at
the
south
west
end
of
our
property
that
has
no
rip
rip.
The
DEP
refused
commit
riprap
at
that
point.
P
Without
a
mangrove
barrier
between
our
property
line
and
the
bird
pass,
our
shoreline
will
be
subject
to
heavy
soil
erosion
from
large
boat
waves
and
waves
from
high
wind
storms.
My
second
concern:
we
would
be
lose
a
lot
of
the
privacy
at
the
end
of
our
property,
which
is
one
reason
that
we
move
there
and
develop
the
property
to
start
with.
A
third
concern
the
plan
is
proposed
proposed
will
lead
to
boaters
missing
the
past
entrance
and
running
aground
in
our
shallow
Lagoon
right
at
the
end
of
the
property.
P
There's.
An
easy
solution
for
me
anyway,
is
to
ask
the
firm
of
Hans
Wilson
associates
to
move
the
past
30
to
40
feet
to
the
southwest
off
our
property
line,
thus
creating
a
mangrove
buffer.
Approximately
the
same
amount
of
my
gum,
wrote,
mangroves
would
be
removed
and
the
distance
of
the
past
the
same.
This
would
be
a
well-defined
and
scenic
pass
when
finished.
Thank
you
for
listening.
Thank.
H
A
H
All
I
want
to
bring
to
the
attention
not
argument,
but
the
attention
when
you
see
an
opening
like
this,
the
people
that
are
coming
through
that
opening
have
many
many
boats,
alligator
creek,
due
to
the
economic
conditions
in
the
last
10
years.
You
see
all
the
empty
lifts
up
there,
41
on
alligator
creek
entrance
they're
going
to
be
filled
up
because
I
believe
that
the
economics
is
going
to
get
much
greater
and
people
are
going
to
get
more
money
to
purchase
bolts.
H
So,
therefore,
not
only
will
we
have
the
people
who
already
have
the
money
and
have
the
boats
we're
going
to
have
a
extra
thousand
boats
coming
down
there.
Secondly,
if
this
cut
goes
through
they're
going
to
want
to
do,
alligator
click
like
they
went
and
wanted
for
all
the
time
I've
been
here,
28
years
too
deep
and
so
forth,
and
the
people
in
there
will
want
to
get
it
opened
up
there
you're
going
to
have
more.
H
So
what
you're
going
to
end
up
with
is
a
Time
Square
right
down
at
the
end,
did
a
quick
there,
where
it's
shallower
is
all
the
devil
and
I've.
Just
putting
my
two
cents
in
and
everybody
can
be
added
up
and
you'll
find
out
it's
going
to
cost
a
lot
of
dollars
in
time
trying
to
get
in
and
out
of
that
outlet
if
these
voters
are
allowed
to
come
in
from
another
area.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
F
A
Q
Q
First
question
at
the
March
third
meeting,
in
which
the
city
manager
described
the
need
for
a
majority
of
the
affected
homeowners
to
support
the
cut
both
as
desirable
and
financially
what
constitutes
a
majority
vote
over
fifty
percent
of
the
affected
homeowners
over
fifty
percent
of
the
return
to
vote
or
some
other
measure.
As
you
know,
fifty
percent
of
the
population
did
not
elect
you
to
your
position,
so
it's
some
subset
further.
Q
My
question
is
related
to
the
process
described
by
the
city
manager
at
the
mar
3rd
March
third
meeting,
which
described
the
need
for
the
homeowners
to
study,
achieve
agency
approvals,
achieve
homeowner
majority
support
and
homeowners.
Support
for
funding
before
the
commissioners
would
support
the
project.
Q
My
question
now
has
two
parts:
could
you
please
identify
2recent
capital
projects
which
use
this
same
process
and
which
were
successively
implemented
where
the
project
was
funded
by
the
affected
homeowners?
In
the
case
of
the
improved
drainage
project,
in
the
historic
section
or
say
a
hypothetical
additional
future
fire
station,
was
this
process
required
or
would
it
be
required
and
wood
or
did
the
directly
affected
homeowners
fund
the
project?
If
not,
please
describe
the
difference
as
related
to
the
process
required
for
the
cut.
Thank
you
thank.
R
I'm
Bob
Stevens
I,
don't
represent
anybody,
but
myself
and
my
wife
we've
been
residents
here
for
about
10
years.
We
bought
our
place
just
before
Charlie.
As
we
look
at
this
issue.
We
consider
ourselves
to
be
affected,
even
though
we're
not
in
this
zone,
and
that's
because
when
we
bought
our
house,
it
was
made
very
clear
to
us
from
the
start
by
our
realtor
that
we
had
to
pay
extra
to
be
able
to
get
out
into
the
harbor
quickly,
and
it
was
a
big
deal
to
have
15
minutes
out.
R
R
We
paid
fifty
thousand
dollars
more
to
get
a
smaller
older
house
so
that
we
could
have
15
minutes
to
get
out
because
we
didn't
want
to
have
45
minutes
to
get
out.
That
was
important
to
us.
That
was
a
choice
we
made
the
people
who
bought
in
the
bird
section
made
a
different
choice
and
now
to
have
the
city,
consider
changing
the
whole
game
and
setting
it
up
so
that
now
all
those
folks
have
15
minutes
out
and
the
premium
we
paid
on
our
house
is
now
not
worth.
R
Don't
know
how
you
get
around
that
it
seems
to
me
as
a
city
council,
you
got
to
look
out
for
everybody
if
this
cup
were
put
in
tomorrow.
The
the
way
real
estate
is
valued
here
would
change
tremendously
overnight.
A
lot
of
people
would
get
a
lot
more
money
for
their
houses,
because
they're
in
the
bird
section
now
they'd
have
a
15
minute
out.
People
like
me
would
get
less
and
for
that
reason,
I'm
absolutely
opposed
to
this
and
I
haven't
heard
any
comment
on
it.
R
S
Yes,
sir
right,
my
name
is
John
for
and
I
lived
in,
burnt,
store
aisles,
and
I'm
here
representing
myself,
my
wife,
the
like
the
previous
gentlemen.
We
bought
our
house
knowing
how
deep
the
water
was
behind
her
house
and
whether
we
could
get
in
or
out
I
am
now
deeply
concerned.
What
impact
will
this
cut
this?
Removing
this
five-foot
plug
of
land
have
on
the
water
flows
I
hear
that
their
water
flows
is
going
to
be
better
well,
if
there's
is
better,
does
that
mean
my
might
be
worse,
so
Oh?
L
S
The
so
that's
right,
that's
really
one
of
my
questions
too
I
have
listened
as
methods
were
proposed
to
skirt
regulatory
requirements.
I,
don't
know
why
the
mayor
or
anybody
else
would
want
to
be
involved
in
a
project
that
is
knowingly
up
front.
Well,
we're
going
to
do
it
this
way.
That
way,
we
don't
have
to
do
this.
S
We're
going
to
do
you
know
it
seems
to
me
you're,
assuming
risk
and
liability
for
the
city
that
us
as
a
residence
that
pay
taxes
may
not
want
to
participate
in
okay,
three,
when
I
looked
at
when
I
homes
and
burnt
store
aisles
and
in
Charlotte
park,
there's
a
lot
of
homes.
There
a
lot
of
lots,
what's
going
to
be
the
negative
effect
on
those
people
and
are
not
on
those
Lots.
As
a
result
of
this
now,
in
its
dimension,
already
I
go
up
and
down
alligator
creek
in
my
sailboat.
It
is
very
tight.
S
You
have
boats
coming
out
of
that
cut,
there's
already
a
show
there
I've
come
the
whole
way
down
from
above
Baltimore,
and
every
time
you
have
two
cuts
come
together.
There's
big
shoals
and
it's
about
impossible
for
the
Coast,
Guard
and
everybody
else
to
keep
them
clean.
Is
somebody
going
to
dedicate
themselves
to
keeping
that
cleared
out
and
also
doing
traffic
control
down
there
I
mean
who
knows
the
rules
on
right?
You
have
a
boat
coming
from
your
starboard
and
yet
one
to
your
port
who
has
the
right
away.
A
E
B
The
City
Council
for
six
years
in
the
mayor
for
two
years,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
these
stories.
I
would
congratulate
mr.
Wilson
on
presenting
the
information
he
has
as
much
further
along
with
a
great
deal
more
detail.
Then
we've
had
in
the
past.
Does
one
of
the
size
of
mr.
Wilson
put
up
that
particular
folks
in
the
back
could
not
save
it.
He
commented
on
land
acquisition.
B
That
means
what
it
would
cost
to
buy
175
feet
of
otherwise,
worst
lyst
marshall
in
and
the
price
on
that
slide
is
four
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
that's
just
a
starting
price.
I
understand
that
and
I've
seen
that
in
the
past,
that's
just
a
starting
price.
We
should
be
outraged
whether
you're
for
that
project
or
against
the
project.
We
should
be
outraged
for
the
opportunistic
approach
being
taken
by
the
landowner.
The
charge
asked
for
demand
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
more
for
175
feet
of
worthless.
B
B
T
My
name
is
Richard
brewer
and
I'm.
Speaking
for
just
myself
and
my
wife
Ruth
we
live
on
Susie
street
and
the
is
the
primary
thing
that
caught
my
attention.
When
I
heard
of
this
proposal
was
the
safety
feature,
we've
lived
and
voted
from
Punta
Gorda
since
1995
all
over
Florida
and
the
Bahamas
and
the
worst
storm
we
ever
were
in.
T
U
L
U
Club
is
a
member
of
the
boaters
alliance,
but
we
never
approved
or
disapproved.
We
took
no
stand
on
the
project
and
it
seems
to
me
to
be
on
be
honest,
I.
This
seems
unethical
for
an
organization
to
be
strongly
promoting
a
project
of
which
its
members
were
never
asked
for
support.
I,
don't
think
any
of
the
members
were
a
sigh,
oh
no
about
ours,
but
I
do
have
I
think
about
the
land
thing
we
just
heard
about.
U
Why
can't
the
city
just
use
a
power
of
eminent
domain
and
just
take
the
land,
a
question
right
I'm
personally,
not
even
though
I'm
in
the
unaffected
area
quote
unquote,
I'm
not
objecting
to
the
cut
either
or
favorite
one
or
the
other,
the
other.
The
other
thing
is
I
agree
with
the
one
of
the
very
first
speakers.
Maybe
it
could
pay
paid
for
by
the
people
actually
use
it
by
using
a
sticker
like
the
sunpass.
U
V
V
V
I'm
opposed
to
this
and
I'm
opposed
to
this,
because
I
have
a
sailboat
that
draws
five
feet:
four
inches
according
to
the
the
mean
low
water
for
ponce
de
leon
inlet,
it's
supposed
to
be
six
feet
in
low
water,
take
into
account
the
phases
of
the
Moon
and
northern
winds,
which
I
realize
makes
it
more
shallow.
Now,
I
don't
find
any
safety
issues
at
all
going
through
that
I've
been
going
through
for
seven
years
and
I
have
a
48-foot
sailboat.
V
So
it's
not
small
and
I
have
over
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
miles
sailing
out
in
the
ocean,
and
one
thing
that
you
don't
do
in
a
storm
is
try
to
make
a
shoulder.
F
draft
inlet!
That's
that's!
Looking
for
disaster!
You
should
take
some
other
options
other
than
that.
So
I
just
want
to
comment
on
that.
But
what
I
had
to
say
here?
I've
talked
with
mr.
V
Disher
about
this,
and
he
does
a
canal
maintenance
for
all
the
sea
walls
and
a
number
of
inlets
and
for
him
to
stretch
his
resources
and
then
keep
this
at
six
feet
mean
low
water,
so
people
such
as
myself
can
get
out.
I,
don't
think
he
can
do
it
and
I
know.
Alligator
creek
is
impossible
for
me
to
get
into
and
that's
why,
specifically,
why
I
bought
in
punta
gorda
isles
and
not
in
bird
store
aisles
because
I
physically
cannot
get
in
there
and
I
took
the
bird
section
like
the
other
gentleman
was
talking.
V
He
paid
extra
money
there
go
to
ponds,
I
didn't
want
to
be
near
ponds.
I
wanted
to
be
back
up
in
the
bird
section
which
protects
me
from
the
hurricanes
and
a
number
of
other
reasons
for
that.
I
have
40
minutes
to
get
out.
I,
don't
use
my
boat
all
the
time,
just
like
the
majority
of
the
people
in
this
room.
They
do
not
use
their
bow
it
all
the
time.
V
It's
a
nice
selling
point
for
the
realtor's,
but
I
don't
think
it's
very
realistic,
and
my
final
thought
is
this
I
found
out
about
this
by
word
of
mouth
and
I'm,
the
opposition.
Obviously,
here
for
this
group-
that's
in
here
you
should
at
least
use
the
tax
rolls
to
get
hold
of
everybody
to
a
referendum,
so
that
we
can
all
vote
on
this,
because
you
have
no
trouble
finding
us
when
it's
tax
time,
so
you
should
have
no
trouble
finding
us
for
this
referendum.
V
W
Name
is
danger,
and
I
also
am
opposed
to
this.
For
all
the
reasons
that
have
been
stated,
I
paid
a
premium,
alligator
creek
is
already
way
too
crowded
and
it's
going
to
get
more
crowded,
but
the
reason
I'm
here
and
I'm
sorry
I'm,
not
more
prepared
I,
was
out
on
my
jet
ski
and
found
a
beautiful
canal.
That
I
was
told,
was
used
to
build
PGI
and
that
was
blocked
off
later
on
it's
in
between
alligator
creek
and
ponce
de
leon,
and
you
cannot
get
to
it.
W
If
it's
low
tide,
you
can
forget
that,
but
once
you
get
into
this
little
channel,
it's
unbelievably
wide
very
deep
and
there's
only
about
20
feet
that
has
been
used.
I
think
to
block
it
off
from
the
harbor
and
if
that
were
excavated,
you've
got
a
straight
path
right
into
the
bird
area.
Again
it's
in
between
positively
on
an
alligator
creek,
it's
a
beautiful,
wide
canal
used
for
construction.
It's
been
blocked
off
could
be
easily
opened
up,
I'd
like
to
bring
that
up
as
an
option
for
taking
a
path
over
to
alligator
creek.
X
My
name
is
William
shart
I
live
in
the
bird
section,
I
don't
represent
anybody,
but
myself
and
my
wife.
We
currently
don't
have
a
boat.
We
currently
would
love
to
see
this
project
go
through
if
we
choose
not
to
buy
a
boat
in
the
future,
I'm
sure
the
person
that
will
purchase
my
house
what
I'm
gone
would
like
to
have
the
option
of
getting
through.
X
As
far
as
the
comments
about
someone
buying
a
house
at
a
premium
price
to
get
out.
Yes,
they
did
and
for
the
entire
time
that
they've
owned
that
property
they've
had
that
benefit
they've
been
able
to
get
in
and
out
I'd
like
to
use
the
quote.
A
rising
tight,
rising
tide
raises
all
boats.
It
certainly
is
not
going
to
devalue
your
property
value
if
you're
already
close
to
the
harbor.
If
it
happens
to
increase
mine,
so
be
it.
X
I
didn't
buy
the
property
as
an
investment
I,
because
I
bought
it
because
I
love
the
area,
I
love
being
on
the
water.
This
is
my
only
shot
ever
of
being
on
the
water
and
I.
Just
wouldn't
have
it
any
other
way.
I'd
also
like
to
add
that
I
currently
hold
a
100-ton
captain's
license
professional
Mariner
and
from
a
professional
Mariner
standpoint.
There
is
absolutely
no
negative
to
this
project
whatsoever.
We
can
only
go
by
what
the
studies
have
told
us.
X
Y
Name
is
Dale
tower
and
I
represent
me
and
my
wife
Janet.
We
bought
her
about
nine
years
ago,
understanding
that
it
was
a
boating
community.
That's
why
we
came
to
this
town
I,
hear
a
lot
of
negativity
hear
from
other
people
who
won't
be
affected,
won't
be
paying
for
it
concerned
about
traffic.
We've
never
had
a
problem
with
traffic
going
out
of
pots
entrance
and
as
far
as
rules
of
the
road
slow
down
pass
at
a
safe
speed
as
well
as
we
all
seem
to
get
along
that
way.
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
Y
I
think
it
will
benefit
the
community.
Your
taxes
will
go
up.
The
city
will
benefit
from
the
increased
taxes.
I'm,
not
sure
why
we're
going
through
this
process
tonight,
because
I
seen
a
lot
of
bike
paths
go
in
the
city
to
the
tune
of
over
several
million
I've
seen
parking
ramps
go
in
in
the
future.
Y
They
probably
all
benefit
the
city
so,
but
we
never
had
a
meeting
like
this,
where
we
discuss
it
and
if
we
are
discussed
and
it
shouldn't
the
discussion,
go
to
the
people
who
live
in
the
area
that
are
going
to
be
paying
for
it.
Not
the
people
off
to
the
side,
sure
they're
going
to
be
some
voting
traffic,
but
they're
also
going
to
help.
Keep
that
canal
clean,
which
I
think
is,
is
great,
more
people
paying
the
better.