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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 02-07-18 Part 3
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B
A
year
ago,
two
years
ago,
two
years
ago,
I
was
up
here.
We
requested
the
assistance
of
team
Punta
Gorda
to
develop
a
survey.
Research
report
talk
with
the
community
various
members
of
the
community,
all
sectors
of
the
community
regarding
what
people
might
want
to
see
in
a
future
Gilchrist
Park
activity
center.
B
We
have
75,000
dollars
in
our
sales
tax
program
that
we
have
not
spent
yet
for
conceptual
based
on
what
might
come
out
of
this
conversation,
we
have
no
dollars
set
aside
for
any
construction,
there's
reasons
for
that.
One,
the
boat
club
lease
is
not
up
till
2021.
The
bayfront
lease
that
we
have
with
the
y
is
april
runs
through
April
2019
can
be
extended
for
another
couple
of
years.
B
We
can
also
get
out
of
it
if
we
have
to,
but
all
of
this
is
contingent
upon
planning
well
ahead,
for
when
the
Boat
Club
lease
expires
in
2021
all
the
way
back
in
2008,
we
had
discussions
about
an
activity
center,
and
the
idea
way
back
then
was
to
tear
down
both
buildings
and
build
a
new
activity
center.
That
was
the
idea
back
then
doesn't
necessarily
mean
it
has
to
be
the
idea
today,
but
that
was
it
back
all
the
way
back
to
2008,
so
team
fine
has
done
their
that
done
their
job.
C
Thank
you
very
much
good
morning
my
name
is
Charlie
Wally
and
I
am
team.
Punta
Gorda
before
I
get
started.
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
there
were
some
comments
this
morning
about
the
report.
The
report,
of
course,
is
in
the
City
Council
agenda,
or
you
can
read
it
and
come
to
Saturday.
When
the
team
talk
newsletter
comes
out,
there
will
be
links
to
the
team
talk
to
the
report
through
the
team
talk
newsletter
and
also
the
presentation.
C
If
you
don't
get
team
talk,
you
can
simply
email
team,
Punta,
Gorda
and
we'll
put
you
on
the
on
the
distribution
list.
Today's
report
is
a
follow
on
of
the
update
that
we
made
in
May
of
2017.
Our
process
started
in
the
spring
of
2016,
when
we
were
tasked
to
provide
a
preliminary
study
to
collect
citizen
input
for
the
areas
shown
which
includes
the
Punta
Gorda
Boat
Club,
which
is
owned
by
the
members
of
the
club.
They
leased
the
land
as
Howard
said
the
bay
front
center
and
parking
lot.
C
It
does
not
include
the
basketball
courts
that
are
adjacent
to
the
parking
lot
in
January
2017.
We
released
the
survey
to
collect
citizen
input.
The
survey
focused
on
three
themes:
the
individuals
current
use
of
the
existing
facilities,
desirable
future
activities
to
be
offered
on
site
and
desired
future
facility
capabilities.
We
received
over
1,000
responses
and
over
800
individual
comments.
The
comments
were
sincere,
constructive
and
demonstrated
to
the
desire
on
the
part
of
the
community
to
be
involved
in
the
process.
We
received
notes
of
thanks
from
people
for
simply
asking
for
their
opinion.
C
Prior
to
the
release
of
the
survey,
we
conducted
face-to-face
interviews
with
seven
of
the
current
users
of
the
buildings
to
better
understand
their
organization's
as
it
relates
to
facilities.
The
current
stakeholder
organizations
have
more
than
1,200
members,
and
a
combined
summary
of
the
interviews
is
found
on
page
in
the
appendix
on
page
34.
There
report.
C
In
summary,
the
stakeholders
described
their
mission
with
keywords
such
as
education
exercise,
instruction
and
safe
boating.
They
are
all
nonprofit
groups
and
the
members
work
together
to
fulfill
their
mission
through
volunteerism
and
find
time
to
engage
in
fellowship.
The
pro
forma
calendar
found
on
page
33
of
the
report
indicates
a
high
level
of
facility
utilization
with
up
to
seven
activities
per
day
with
three
to
four
running
concurrently
group
sizes
range
from
very
few
to
more
than
150
for
large
events.
Self
catered
events
are
allowed,
the
facilities
themselves
generally
little
revenue.
C
The
city
receives
9600
dollars
per
year
from
the
YMCA,
the
Punta
Gorda
Boat
Club,
and
the
YMCA
act
as
landlords
for
the
other
users
and
collect
approximately
eleven
thousand
dollars
in
rents
and
fees,
including
those
one-off
event,
fees
paid
by
privates
citizens
for
weddings,
banquets,
memorials
and
similar
activities.
The
combined
revenues
of
twenty
thousand
dollars
are
used
to
offset
the
cost
of
operations.
The
regular
cleaning
and
maintenance
is
a
landlord
responsibility.
The
boat
basin
and
the
docks
are
a
city
owned
and
maintained.
There
is
no
charge
to
use
these
facilities.
C
The
users
see
the
site
as
an
alternative
to
location,
to
the
Punta
Gorda
Isle
Civic
Association,
building
for
those
people
that
are
run
out
able
to
access
that
building
the
two
buildings
on
the
site:
total
twelve
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fifty
square
feet.
The
Punta
Gorda
Isle,
Civic
Association
building
by
comparison
is
a
similar
size,
while
the
islands
Yacht
Club,
building
main
building
on
Marion
Street
is
approximately
16,000
square
feet.
Both
of
these
organizations
also
have
very
busy
facility
calendars.
C
Looking
at
the
other
end
of
the
extreme
there's
another
city-owned
facility
at
lashley,
Park
known
as
the
community
room
that
is
operated
by
the
dock
master
and
the
size
of
this
single
room
is
roughly
1500
square
feet.
All
the
organizations
expressed
a
strong
desire
to
create
more
opportunities
for
young
people
to
participate
in
new
programs
that
could
be
offered
on
the
site
for
adults.
They
expressed
interest
in
offering
programs
promoting
healthy
lifestyles.
C
Their
vision
for
the
specific
area
under
study
and
and
in
Gilchrist
Park
in
general,
is
for
the
development
of
a
fully
functioning
family-friendly
Park.
They
want
to
see
Punta
Gorda
enhance
its
appeal
as
a
waterfront
destination
for
both
local
and
visiting
voters
by
also
including
mooring
and
support
facilities.
C
If
we
look
at
the
citizen
community
input,
we
feel
that
our
survey
accurately
reflects
the
demographics
of
the
community
and
the
results
are
consistent
with
the
views
of
the
overall
community.
Our
respondents
are
engaged
in
the
park
with
over
forty
percent
saying
they
use
the
park
once
per
week
or
more
some
of
the
some
use
of
facilities,
while
others
transit
the
park,
while
walking
jogging
or
biking.
Fifty
percent
of
our
respondents
do
not
belong
to
any
of
the
current
stakeholder
organizations
to
gauge
interest
in
various
activities.
C
We
offered
17
activities
for
people
to
check
off
indicating
if
they
would
like
to
be
used
to
be
available
within
a
new
facility
and
one
option
for
handwriting.
They
were
then
asked
to
indicate
their
top
three
preferred
activities
in
order.
Each
question
on
the
survey
is
reviewed
in
detail
in
the
report
running
from
pages
13
to
page
28.
C
Some
of
our
key
takeaways
and
clarifications
in
question
4,
we
asked
quote
you
believe
the
citizens
of
Punta
Gorda
would
benefit
from
the
replacement
of
the
building.
Unquote
the
question
of
the
wording.
The
question
wording
is
important.
As
we
were
seeking
opinions
about
perceived
benefit,
we
did
not
ask
if
the
buildings
needed
to
be
replaced.
The
results
to
the
question
as
asked
show.
58
percent
of
the
respondents
see
an
overall
benefit
in
replacing
the
buildings.
C
If
we
exclude
the
responses
from
the
Punta
Gorda
Boat
Club,
this
support
rises
to
66
percent
or
two
or
two-thirds
Lari
question
asked
as
if
the
current
COS
facilities
meet
the
needs
of
the
residents
overall
58%
felt
that
their
needs
were
not
being
met
again.
If
we
factor
out
the
responses
from
the
Punta
Gorda
Boat
Club
in
the
Peace
River
Salem
Power
Squadron,
two-thirds
of
the
respondents
felt
that
there
would
needs
were
not
being
met.
C
Looking
at
activity
preferences
in
question,
six,
one
half
of
the
two
thousand
five
hundred
and
eighty
seven
responses
went
to
one
of
five
different
categories:
five
different
activities,
water
related
activities-
were-
were
a
top
priority.
Forty
percent
of
the
time,
kayaking
and
canoeing
were
the
most
preferred
with
ten
percent
of
the
respondents
placing
this
in
their
top
three
sailing,
followed
with
the
response
of
nine
water
activities
identified,
including
picnic
areas
as
a
popular
item.
C
We
suspect
that
the
people
identifying
picnic
areas
we're
looking
at
a
whole
of
the
Gilchrist
Park
and
not
just
the
area
under
study,
and
this
result
results
should
be
treated
separately.
The
overall
number
one
preferred
activity
is
meeting
rooms
at
fourteen
percent
with
exercise
programs.
Second,
at
nine
percent.
Fifty
three
percent
of
the
respondents
agreed
that
the
city
should
advance
its
appeal
as
a
boating
destination,
while
one-third
disagreed,
there's
response
here,
closely
mirrors
whether
people
self-identified
as
boaters
or
not
in
question.
C
Fourteen
two-thirds
of
the
respondents
self-identified
as
an
active
boater,
and
so
you
can
see
the
relationship
a
word
on
question
nine
commercial
operations.
The
team
has
always
envisioned
a
replacement
building
to
be
primarily
a
community
activity
center,
and
the
phrasing
of
our
question
reflects
this.
The
question
identifies
commercial
operations,
as
quote
such
as
snack
bars
or
convenience
stores.
Unquote,
approximately
forty
percent
support
this.
C
Although
the
strength
of
the
support
based
on
preferences
in
question,
six
needs
to
be
determined,
we
did
not
ask
an
opinion
question
on
larger
commercial
operations,
where
the
commercial
operation
would
be
primary
on
the
site,
so
some
emerging
themes,
it
would
appear
that
a
majority
would
like
to
see
a
facility
with
more
modern
capabilities
and
in
better
physical
condition,
improved
access
to
the
buildings
by
the
public
that
large
is
desired.
The
support
for
activities
that
do
not
need
to
be
located
on
the
water
was
strong.
C
These
activities
include
meeting
rooms,
exercise,
classes,
education
and
instruction
opportunities.
This
could
be
further
explored
to
assess
the
strength
of
the
support
if
an
activity
center
for
these
was
located
away
from
the
water.
These
activities
currently
take
up
a
lot
of
scheduled
time
and
a
lot
of
facility
space.
C
Likewise,
a
desire
to
expand
the
on
the
water
activities
was
strong
with
the
hand
launch,
ramp
and
boat
docks
already
in
place.
There
is
interest
in
advancing
the
water
activity
expansions
prior
to
any
decision
on
the
building
being
taken
some
possible
next
steps.
Here,
we've
only
scratched
the
surface
of
a
very
complex
issue
from
our
work.
We
see
logical
follow-on
activities
to
enhance
our
understanding
and
key
areas
and
help
identify
and
shape
alternative
courses
of
action.
The
boaters
Alliance
is
working
on
a
harbour
infrastructure
report
that
includes
the
area
in
front
of
Gilchrist
Park.
C
Today,
the
availability
of
quality
infrastructure
could
be
seen
as
a
limiting
factor
in
the
creation
of
alternative
solutions.
Our
work
with
the
public
was
by
one
way,
written
communication.
We
believe
the
citizens
would
like
a
dialogue.
Focus
groups
could
be
one
way
to
accomplish
this.
As
we've
seen
with
the
library
the
people
do
want
to
have
a
chance
to
participate
in
the
process.
We
considered
costs
both
operational
capital
to
be
out
of
scope.
These
are
important
elements
in
a
final
plan,
as
are
the
revenues.
C
These
should
be
modeled,
along
with
various
service
levels,
to
check
the
feasibility
of
creating
a
self-sustaining
economic
model
from
our
work.
We
know
that
there
are
multiple
parties,
both
for-profit
and
not-for-profit,
that
would
like
to
partner
with
the
city.
This
should
be
systematically
identified
and
explored.
Well,
not
in
our
scope.
We
did
have
a
cursory
look
at
best
practices
around
the
globe
and
found
a
few
communities
that
have
done
truly
wonderful
things
with
their
waterfront.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
B
Have
a
comment
from
vice
mayor
wind
I
am
remiss
I
didn't
read
his
comment
on
the
budget
presentation.
He
pretty
much
concurs
with
what
was
said
here,
a
big
thank
you
to
team
Punta
Gorda
for
an
excellent
community
service
in
their
presentation.
It
is
now
time
to
begin
this
discussion
in
earnest
for
the
long
term,
and
your
report
is
an
excellent
platform
to
begin.
E
One
thing
I
think
this:
this
report
is
really
good
because
it
really
shows
what
people
are
interested
in
I.
Think
that,
because
we
do
have
at
present
at
least
till
2019
and
on
the
YMCA
there,
as
well
as
facility
at
and
Lashley
Park
I,
think
that
possibly
some
discussions
with
both
the
YMCA
board,
as
well
as
with
planning
there,
because
some
of
these
programs
can
actually
be
implemented
now,
and
that
would
then
in
turn
be
be
grounds
to
to
justify
building
the
facility.
E
I
think
part
of
it
is
if
we
fully
utilized
what
we
have
at
present.
That's
that's
one
way
to
actually
really
justify
this
in
a
city
would
be
able
to
move
in
that
manner.
Another
thing
is
that
this
one
other
thing
when
it
comes
to
looking
at
this
finger,
we've
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this.
We
can't
forget
especially
talking
about
this
facility
being
at
Gilchrist
Park.
E
It's
also
in
a
in
a
neighborhood,
and
part
of
this,
is
that
we
have
to
look
at
incorporating
this
into
a
tool
of
a
true
urban
park,
design
in
which
not
only
is
a
sinner
and
whatever's
going
to
go
in
essen
to
be
integrated
into
the
park,
but
also
into
the
neighborhood
itself,
which
which
means
example,
potential
impacts
like
in
this
case.
It
has
a
certain
amount
of
parking
space
and
certain
model
traffic
impact.
We
want
to
make
sure
anything.
E
The
future
wouldn't
have
any
other
further
impacts
as
well,
and
so
I
think
very
important
that
when
we
do
this,
that
we
don't
act
like
this
is
nicely
the
center,
but
it's
actually
part
of
a
neighborhood
itself,
and
so
we
need
to
I.
Think
from
this
point
of
the
city.
Do
a
lot
more
I
say
comprehensive
planning
in
terms
of
integrating
facilities
into
neighborhoods,
rather
than
simply
thinks
being
standalone.
E
A
Piggyback
on
that,
because
you
know
we
have,
you
said
this
is
a
complex
issue
and
you
didn't
touch
on
the
big,
the
big
picture
pieces
like
the
funding
and
actually
what
could
be
constructed
there
I
asked
our
building
official
to
just
give
me
a
quick.
You
know:
we've
learned
from
our
park
designs,
but
it
is
a
VE
coastal,
high
hazard
area
and
with
that
comes
very
strict,
very
strict
building
constraints,
which
I
would
think
would
double
and
maybe
triple
the
cost
of
what
could
actually
be
constructed
and
I'm,
not
even
sure.
A
If
the
boat
club
parcel
in
the
future
would
even
be
viable
for
anything,
I
just
don't
know
financially,
it
would
be.
It
would
be
a
big
burden
to
build
something
that
could
not
only
withstand
the
velocity
zone,
but
the
coastal
high
hazard
area,
which
has
to
do
with
all
erosion
and
the
piles,
and
it
has
to
be
able
to
withstand
wave
action.
So
those
are
big-ticket
items
that
yeah.
A
It
is
a
gem
and
you
know
there
are
unintended
consequences
for
whatever
we
may
put
there
and-
and
you
know
we
have
the
playground
opening
in
another
month
and
we,
you
know,
that's
gonna-
be
a
change
for
the
neighborhood,
just
like
the
recent
change
with
with
the
parking
and
the
curb
and
gutter
and
people
not
being
able
to
park
in
the
park.
So
I
think
it's
undergoing
a
lot
of
changes.
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
make
any
decisions.
At
this
point.
I
know
we
did
put
the
money
in
the
1%.
A
This
was
a
hot
topic
for
the
1%
sales
tax
committee.
But
there's
there
wasn't,
you
know
without
knowing
this
is
a
long
term
project
and
without
knowing
what
the
costs
are
and
what
the
situation
will
be.
There
was
sentiment
to
put
some
money
toward
a
design
and
I,
don't
even
think
we're
there
yet
so.
F
Yeah
I
would
agree
with
what's
been
said.
I
looked
at
the
report.
Read
it
I
thought
team
did
a
great
job
because
I
know
my
concern
initially.
Was
we
put
$75,000
in
the
budget
to
design
something?
But
what
is
it
we're
designing
and
what
purpose
do
we
want
it
to
serve
and
as
I
read
what
the
residents
are
all
of
the
people
who
responded?
F
What
was
going
through
my
mind
is
that
some
of
these
things
may
be
fitting
for
use
on
a
waterfront,
and
some
of
these
aren't
the
use
of
some
space.
People
may
be
using
this
space
because
it's
space
available
because
that's
one
of
the
problems
we've
had
in
our
community
is,
is
available
space
meeting
space.
So
some
of
the
long
term
questions,
maybe
what's
fitting
for
use
at
that
area
in
Gilcrest
park,
as
opposed
to
what
was
suggested.
F
Perhaps
was
I'm
repurposing,
the
old
library,
the
current
library
or
what
may
be
suitable
for
building
something
on
West
Henry
that
might
be
a
combined
community
center.
That
could
be
I've
heard
in
the
past.
We've
heard
PG
ICA
say
we're,
you
know
we
need
more
space
and
some
residents
have
have
suggested
that
perhaps
we
need
a
community
combined
area
that
people
could
meet.
So
it
might
be
that
there
are
more
needs
of
a
volva
in
our
community
that
beyond
what
is
just
the
Gilchrist
Park
and
it
might
be
more
fitted
for
someplace
else.
F
E
Think
also
we
with
this,
we
need
to
do
the
financials
in
terms
of
it
being
viable,
like
to
example,
there's
new
playground.
The
downtown
mom's
took
care
of
that
this
was
something
they
paid
for
and
so
to
some
degree.
We
have
to
think
about
this,
actually
paying
for
itself
as
well.
That's
yeah.
F
Well,
the
one
thing
I
also
forgot
to
mention
is:
we
can
have
an
appetite
for
all
of
this,
but
how
are
we
going
to
operationalize
it
who's
going
to
manage
it
who's
going
to
run
this?
We
don't
have
a
Parks
and
Recreation
Department,
so
we
can't
staff
something
because
we
just
don't
have
that
capability
unless
residents
want
us
to
increase
the
taxes
to
be
able
to
accommodate
them.
I
haven't
heard
that
yet
I've
heard
appetite
for
things,
but
I
haven't
heard
people
say,
increase
my
taxes
to
pay
for
it.
F
So
that's
a
question
that
yet
is
yet
to
be
seen
and
I
know
that
you
know
I
appreciate
the
YMCA
operating
the
bayfront
Center,
but
some
of
those
things
really
do
you
have
to
have
yoga
classes
and
things
on
the
water.
I
mean
it's
nice,
it's
it's
absolutely
nice
and
the
view
is
lovely,
but
do
you
have
to
have
it
there?
So
those
are
just
and.
A
We,
it
hasn't
always
been
smooth
sailing
with
the
Y.
Either
I
mean
they're
in
better
shape
now
than
they
were,
but
there
were
times
were
you
know
that
was
even
on
the
brink
of
falling
through.
So
anytime,
you
have
an
off
site.
We
learned
that
with
you
know
lease
and
a
management.
You
have
to
be
really
careful
about
how
you
go
about
that
and
you
basically
need
backup
plans
to
be
in
place
at
times.
A
I,
don't
know
that
we
maybe
we
do
need
to
explore
because
I
know
I've
talked
to
a
couple
of
people
that
are
in
the
homeowners
association,
the
newly
formed
historic
home
owners
association.
Maybe
we
do
need
some
kind
of
planning,
expertise
to
at
least
give
us
some
ideas
and
be
able
to
really
really
show
us
what
could
be
built
there,
because
if
it
is
a
building
on
piles,
it's
directly
gonna
affect
those
neighbors.
There
I
mean
we
have
to
be
even
careful
about
what
what
can
actually
physically
be
built
there.
A
That
would
not
affect
that
neighborhood
in
the.
If
I
see
of
building
on
piles,
that's
gonna
be
right
out.
You
know
definitely
take
away
their
view,
sheds
so
I
think
we
really
need
to
see
all
of
the
pieces
of
the
puzzle,
like
you
said,
and
and
really
move
forward
from
there.
But
this
is
a
long-term
deal
we
realize
and
we
just
can't
get
ahead
of
ourselves.
We.
A
F
I
would
also
like
to
suggest
we
include
PGI
CA
I
would
include
the
burnt
store,
aisles
homeowners
association
as
well,
because
I
know.
If
we're
going
to
look
at
any
kind
of
additional
community
space
and
in
looking
at
something
long-term,
it
could
be
someplace
where
multiple
homeowners
associations
could
have
activities
and
participate
in
things,
not
just
peachy
PGI
CA,
so
that
it
could
be
really
inclusive
for
the
entire
community
and.
A
I
think
to
the
gentleman
from
the
Boat
Club
brought
up
about
the
kayaking
that
you
know
it's
not
really
we
and
we
heard
that
we
heard
when
we
put
the
the
hand
the
hand
ramp
in
there
that
we
need
a
breakwater
now
like
we
need
to
know
all
of
that
stuff
going
in
like
if
it's
not
conducive
to
kayaking.
We
need
to.
We
really
need
to
think
about
that
and
know
that
before
we
decide
to,
you
know
to
go
to
go
in
that
direction.
I
am.
A
A
A
E
B
F
F
D
B
A
D
F
A
B
B
Pickleball
tournament
to
leukemia
Society
and
as
a
staff,
we
told
them
that
the
folks
who
are
playing
pickleball
now
have
shied
away
from
any
further
tournaments
because
of
the
issues
with
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
and
so
we
told
them
that
that's
what
your
intent
is,
we
can
present
it
to
Council,
but
you're
gonna
have
some
issues
there.
Well,
that's
not
really
what
they're
doing
there
still
may
be
issues
there,
but
that's
not
really
what
they're
doing
so.
Would
you
like
to
explain
it
Lisa.
G
Hannon
zoning
official
for
the
record,
the
way
it
was
explained
to
us
in
the
meeting
with
Howard
and
gentlemen,
our
executive
assistant
for
code,
who
handles
all
the
events,
it's
actually
facilitating,
organized
play
amongst
the
people
who
play
on
a
daily
basis
at
the
pickleball
courts.
Now
they
just
want
the
ability
to
reserve
the
courts
during
the
March
5th
through
the
24th,
in
conjunction
with
the
Isles
Yacht
Club,
leukaemia,
Cup
events
and
the
play
is
from
8
a.m.
to
11
a.m.
and
then
again
from
on
certain
dates,
5:00
5:20
p.m.
to
8
p.m.
G
A
G
F
F
People
are
going
to
come
and
play
and
to
have
any
kind
of
a
suggestion
that,
with
that
they
may
be
asked
to
participate
in
and
feel
like
they
have
to
they're
obligated
to
participate
in
this
I'm
just
opposed
to
it.
This
is
these.
You
know,
especially
this
is
the
peak
time
during
during
the
day
and
the
evening,
not
not
alone,
that
it's
peak
during
the
season,
so
I'm
opposed.
H
H
It
is
a
public
park
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
should
be
asking
the
current
pickleball
players
to
consider
participating
in
this
tournament
and
not
have
it
be
an
option
when
they're
over
there
every
single
day
playing
on
a
public
court
and
also
asking
for
contributions
from
that
to
do
so
and
I
just
think.
It's
a
very
bad
idea
and
it's
a
bad
precedent.
Okay,.
I
I
A
G
A
I
E
Other
option
possibly
is:
have
you
looked
at
South
County
Park
with
a
because
that's
you
can
probably
control
the
logistics
of
this
much
easier
than
you
could,
because,
basically,
the
way
it
sounds
is
that
you'd
have
people
would
have
to.
Basically
it
score.
So
they'd
have
to
agree
to
play
within
this
fundraiser
or
not
play
during
this
country.
I
We
thought
of
South
County
Park.
That's
the
only
other
option
that
we
really
have
within
pentacle
sort
of
Punta
Gorda
here
here
they
have
less
courts
that
you
can
use
down
there
doing
that
during
that
time
timeframe
there
is
no
shade.
There
is
no
facilities
really
that
that
people
can
sort
of
vest
and
get
out
of
it
out
of
the
area
and
and
what
they
charge
will
really
take
away
from
what
the
fundraising
activity
is.
I.
F
F
I
F
A
G
Morning
again,
this
taste
of
Punta
Gorda
is
the
first
year
they
are
requesting
to
close
the
Harbor
walk
during
their
event.
That's
why
it's
being
brought
to
City
Council.
There
are
a
handful
of
events
that
normally
do
have
the
Harbor
walk
closure
that
has
already
been
approved.
This
is
the
first
year
they
have
requested
it
and
I
don't
know.
If
the
representative
is
still
here.
I
know
he
was
here
earlier,
I
mean.
G
Don't
require
any
staff
doesn't
require
any
snow
fencing
in
the
park
period
for
any
of
the
events.
They
will
probably
come
back
and
say
it's
too
expensive
to
put
the
snow
fencing
on
the
inside,
but
that
is
our
recommendation,
as
that
is
the
option
to
be
able
to
leave
the
harbor
walk
open.
We
don't
see.
We
have
no
proof
that
this
event,
the
cost
of
this
event
with
any
musical
acts
or
anything,
would
warrant
closing
the
actual
Harbor
walk.
G
A
F
I'm
inclined
to
agree
with
you
that
probably
part
of
our
criteria
or
our
recommendation
is
people
if
you're
going
to
host
an
event
and
you're
going
to
charge
that
you
have
to
consider
how
you
are
going
to
control
the
entry
into
your
event,
Shawn's
closing
the
Harper
walk,
because
it's
it
is
something
we
get
complaints
about
and
the
the
more
we
do
to
enhance
the
harbor
walk.
The
more
people
are
going
to
be
using
it.
A
They're
here,
but
talk
to
the
block
party
people,
they
have
snow,
fencing,
talk
to
a
Smuggler's
event.
Management
he's
got
resources,
maybe
they
could
borrow
from
somebody
if
they
have
the
manpower
to
go
up
there
and
put
it
up
not
like
they
have
to
go
purchases
themselves,
I
think
of
lot
party
people
every
time
I've
asked
them
to
use
something
they've.
Let
me
use
their
stuff
that
they
have,
because
the
city
does
help
them
store
it.
So
that's
a
possibility
too.
A
H
Also,
add
that
you
know
some
of
the
other
events
where
we
do
close
the
Harbor
walk,
there's
a
specific
reason
why
we
have
to
like,
as
an
example
the
one
in
Jazz
Festival.
They
have
to
have
the
exclusive
use
of
the
park
and
all
of
its
boundaries,
because
there
are
actually
entertainers
that,
in
their
contracts
required
that
there
is
a
certain
distance
behind
the
stage
for
security
reasons
that
has
to
be
kept
clear.
They
also
have
a
couple
of
cases.
H
There
are
a
couple
of
entertainers
that
demand
that
the
boats
even
be
pushed
back
in
the
harbor
further
away
from
land
because
they
are
concerned
about
security.
So
there
are
specific
reasons
why
events
of
that
type,
who
charged
a
lot
more
money
for
admission,
have
to
have
those
criteria.
This
particular
event,
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe
it
does
I,
don't
think
it
meets
the
criteria
to
close
the
harbor
walk.
Well,.
F
D
D
H
Have
I
had
an
email
from
a
citizen
about
two
weeks
ago
who
was
concerned
about
a
dog
that
runs
rampant
in
their
neighborhood
and
I.
Hadn't
said
anything
up
up
to
that
point
about
my
own
neighbor.
But
there
are
there's
been
now
three
reported
incidents
of
separate
in
separate
places
throughout
KGI,
where
people
have
complained
about
animals
running
loose
in
the
neighborhood
I
found
I
thought
all
along
that
we
actually
had
a
leash
ordinance
in
place
in
the
city
and
came
to
find
out
that
we
don't.
H
We
only
have
a
leash
ordinance
in
the
city,
parks
and
I
am
very
concerned
that
we
apparently
have
some
citizens
who
are
not
being
good
citizens
by
allowing
their
dogs
to
roam
the
neighborhood
or
run
loose
down
the
street
in
the
neighborhood.
I
have
one
of
them:
they're
great
neighbors,
but
I'm
just
not
happy
that
they
allow
their
dog
to
run
all
through
the
neighborhood
and
the
dog
routinely
chases
rabbits
and
kills
rabbits
and
I'm
very
unhappy
about
that
too.
H
D
J
I'm
not
gonna
argue
against
the
wisdom
in
our
code.
That
requires
all
pets
to
be
on
leashes.
We
certainly
have
the
legal
authority
to
do
that.
The
the
and
our
current
code
does
allow
the
city
to
address
situations
like
those
that
have
just
been
discussed.
We
have
a
section
5-1
animals
as
a
public
nuisance,
and
it
makes
a
violation
number
of
different
things.
Number
one
is
if
the
animal
is
repeatedly
found
at
large.
J
J
H
A
A
A
If,
if
my
dog
were
to
get
out
of
my
fence
and
he's
running
down
the
road
and
I,
don't
even
know
it
down
now
you
know
I'm
gonna
get
in
trouble
for
the
leash
law,
I
mean
there's
just
so
many
scenarios
and
I
think
our
Police
Department
has
is
better
served
doing
doing
other
things
and
that's
what
the
animal
control
officers
are
there
for.
You
got
to
call
them
and
get
a
camera
and
show
them
hey.
A
A
F
Did
I
did
have
a
dog
problem:
it
was
a
barking
dog
problem
and
and
I
used
animal
control
from
the
county
to
assist
in
helping
us
resolve
the
problem,
because
we
don't
have
a
animal
control.
I
guess
as
I
listened
to
the
discussion.
What
it
makes
me
think
of
is
where
I
lived
for
a
long
time
before
I
moved
to
Colorado
I
mean
moved
to
Florida
was
in
color
in
rural
Colorado,
in
the
mountains
and
and
we
had
a
a
leash
law
in
the
mountains.
F
You
know
we
weren't
allowed
to
let
dogs
roam
so
to
move
here
and
find
it.
We
were
in
a
more
you
know
in
a
city
and
we
don't
have
a
leash
law.
I
was
really
quite
taken
aback
by
that.
We
just
expect
that
to
be
the
case
and
in
Charlotte
County
has
a
leash
law.
So
if
Charlotte
County
has
a
leash
law,
then
it's
almost
like.
H
E
J
There
is
a
question
of
enforcement
or
procedural
legal
perspective
which
is
not
unworkable,
the
believe
it
or
not.
There's
actually
a
state
statute
that
kind
of
preempts
the
Home
Rule
Authority
I-
guess
maybe
you
shouldn't
be
soaking,
so
surprised,
but
there
is
a
state
statute
that
kind
of
preempts
our
Home
Rule
Authority
a
bit
as
it
relates
to
animal
control,
and
it
requires
an
infrastructure
because
the
primary
method
that's
provided
for
in
the
statute
to
deal
with
this
is
a
citation
method
that
goes
directly
to
Circuit.
Court
I.
J
J
Rule
T,
which
is
identical
to
the
provisions
of
this
chapter
or
other
state
law,
except
as
to
penalties,
so
we
can't
and
so
I
says,
however,
no
county
or
municipal
ordinance
relating
to
animal
control,
so
conflict
with
the
provisions
of
this
chapter
or
any
other
state
law.
So
again,
do
we
have
to
abide
by
those
provisions
in
this
state
statute
that
require
us
to
enforce
the
violations
by
means
of
a
citation
enforceable
by
county
code
by
county
court?
J
J
F
J
The
other
thing
to
do
is
is
I
mean
it's
not
without
some
remedy,
and
that
is
recognizing
that
if
the
problem
is
dogs
that
are
running
at
large
and
it
would
be
recognized,
there
would
be
recognized
dogs
they're,
creating
a
problem,
because
there
there
are
some
people
I'm,
not
one
of
them.
That
is
able
to
control
their
dog
without
a
leash.
J
As
our
code
is
presently
written,
we
can
address
the
situation
of
of
dogs
or
other
animals
that
are
running
at
large
and
causing
a
or
we
can
make
an
a
an
ordinance
change.
That
would
be
similar
to
what
code
the
county
has
to
be
consistent
with
the
requirements
of
the
state
statute,
or
we
can
rely
upon
the
code,
the
county's
code,
animal
control
officer
that
our
tax
payers
already
paying
towards
to
enforce
the
county's
leash
law,
which
is
countywide
just.