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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 03-06-19 Part 3
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A
Thank
you
for
your
enthusiasm,
I'm
wanting
to
converse
with
each
other.
That's
awesome,
but
we
have
a
lot
to
discuss
today,
so
we'll
move
forward
and
continue.
Our
discussion
and
the
first
item
now
is
the
presentation
by
the
point
of
order,
butter's
Alliance
on
the
Punta
Gorda
waterfront
development,
master-planned
2019.
B
Okay,
trying
to
train
me,
which
is
not
easy
good
morning,
John
Welsh,
with
the
Punta
Gorda
boaters
alliance,
beautiful
day
in
paradise,
and
at
the
request
of
the
City
Council
last
time
that
we
presented
this,
we
went
back
gathered
additional
information.
This
plan
now
reflects
additional
input
as
we
go
through
and
I'll
go
through
it
quickly
because
I've
know
you've
seen
it
before
Belize
stoppie.
B
If
you
want
at
any
place
so
the
vast
majority
of
those
contacted
and
again
when
I
say
those
contact
is
the
people
we
went
out
to
and
I'll
give
you
a
list
of
those
folks
at
the
end
of
the
presentation
after
the
first
after
the
first
presentation.
Well,
no
significant
changes
were
suggested.
Additions
were
made
to
the
presentation
as
a
result
of
the
ideas
offered.
B
The
Punta
Gorda
waterfront
has
and
continues
to
play
a
decisive
role
in
the
development.
This
city,
we
are
a
water
activity,
waterfront
community
building,
community
Punta,
Gorda
Isles
una
Gorra
de
is
a
premier
boating
community
Berndt
store
aisles
premier
building
community
I
mean
the
vast
majority
of
our
citizens
are
on
the
waterfront
in
this
community.
It
benefits
all
citizens,
residents,
residential
areas
in
commercial
sectors,
Money
Magazine
in
1996
and
2003
recognized
us
as
a
great
place,
one
of
the
best
small
cities
yachting
magazine,
one
of
the
50
best
yachting
pounds
of
the
mayor,
Miami
Herald.
B
These
waters
are
known
internationally
for
fishing
and
sailing
and
where
to
retire
last
year,
one
of
the
eight
Gulf
Coast
beauties.
We
are
a
great
community
and
the
boaters
Alliance
wants
to
make
it
great
and
continue
to
be
great.
Why
a
master
plan?
Let
me
just
say:
if
we
don't
plan
our
future,
somebody
else
will
and
we
need
to
be
planful
about
how
we
use
the
limited
resources
that
we
have.
B
Our
mission
was
to
develop
and
submit
a
master
development
plan
to
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
with
regard
to,
but
not
limited
to
the
development
and
management
of
our
waterfront.
This
plan
will
seek
to
establish
Punta
Gorda
as
the
premier
recreational
boating
community.
Now
let
me
emphasize
that
boating
community.
Yes,
we
want
to
attract
visiting
boaters,
but
this
is
about
our
citizens
and
making
this
community
the
best
it
can
be.
B
The
boating
Alliance
boaters
Alliance
is
made
up
by
many
many
organizations.
These
organization
represents
thousands
of
citizens
in
our
community
and
all
of
these
organizations
have
been
put
into
this
plan.
We
also
have
many
advisors
to
our
organization.
Peace
River
sail
Power
Squadron,
US,
Coast,
Guard,
Auxiliary,
flirt
illa,
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
this
is
not
a
plan
by
John
Welsh.
This
is
a
plan
by
thousands
of
our
citizens,
the
funa
corner,
waterfront
development
master
plan
to
establish
Punta
Gorda
as
preferred
destination
for
visiting
boarders
and
support
recreation
aboard
boating
in
our
community.
B
B
The
Punta
Gorda
waterfront
hotel,
the
marina
again
lack
of
slips
who
recommend
the
city
work
with
the
city
or
with
the
hotel
owner
to
rebuild
that
marina.
It
would
provide
additional
slips
dinghy,
docks,
restroom
showers
for
visiting
boaters
and
be
an
inviting
environment
for
visiting
boaters
four-points
hotel
again.
If
the
city
can
work
with
and
I
know,
the
city
is
not
going
to
build
the
marina
but
encourage
the
owners
of
these
hotels
to
re-establish
their
marinas.
B
It
would
provide
additional
slips
dinghy,
docks,
restroom
showers
and
an
inviting
environment
for
boaters
amenities
for
visiting
boaters,
enhanced
trash,
receptacles,
potable
water
access
to
boaters
establishment
of
Wi-Fi
along
the
waterfront,
which
would
also
benefit
our
citizens,
not
just
boaters
showers,
for
visiting
voters
and
by
the
way
we
are
not
proposing,
and
the
reason
we
did
not
mention
showers
in
our
proposal
is
because
we
will
not.
We
are
not
recommending
the
city
manage
this,
but
Fisherman's
Village
or
Punta
Gorda
hotel
manage
the
morning
ball
field.
B
They
would
provide
the
showers
and
so
forth,
and
the
Visitor
Information
Center
located
near
the
water.
The
West
mooring
ball
field
establish
a
West
mooring
ball
field.
It
will
promote
tourism,
provide
the
city
with
mechanism
to
manage
and
control
Anchorage
off
of
Gilcrest,
and
let
me
jump
down
to
the
bottom
point-
provides
the
city
with
the
ability
to
manage
sub
length
of
stay
on
mooring
balls
and
provides
additional
dockage
during
high
season.
B
The
state
has
finished
its
pilot
program
on
the
mooring
ball
fields.
During
the
pilot
program.
They
allowed
cities
to
manage
Anchorage
around
the
mooring
ball
field.
As
of
yet,
the
legislature
has
not
passed
that
regulation
I
would
encourage
the
City
Council,
the
homeowners
association
and
anybody
else
to
petition
the
legislation
to
provide
the
city
with
the
mechanism
to
manage
the
Anchorage
around
an
established
mooring,
ball
field
day
and
dingy
docks
severely
limited
because
of
limited
docks.
B
Dioxides
establish
sites
at
Ponce
de
Leon
park,
east
of
highway
41
and
the
colony
points.
This
is
a
great
activity.
It's
it's
growing
and
growing
in
popularity
with
our
citizens,
both
Club
and
waterfront
buildings.
The
city
should
act
on
one
of
these
three
options.
One
renovation
of
both
buildings
costs
would
be
significantly
less
than
replacing
the
building's
extended
lease
would
allow
the
renter
of
the
boat
club
to
invest
in
improvements.
A
new
facade
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
would
be
a
possibility,
update
the
interior,
new
restrooms
and
improvements.
B
This
would
greatly
improve
their
usability
and
improve
curb
appeal,
second
option:
remove
the
buildings
and
replace
them
with
a
new
structure.
If
you
choose
the
first
option,
we
recommend
within
the
next
five
to
ten
years.
This
should
be
the
goal
of
the
city
to
replace
the
buildings
or
you
can
do
nothing
which
we
see
is
not
an
acceptable
option.
B
B
B
We
have
already
proposed
that
Ponce
Inlet
be
dredged
to
7
feet
simply
because
it's
really
only
five
and
a
half
feet
at
low
tide
right
now.
It
takes
two
years
to
get
a
permit.
Typically
we're
proposing
start
now,
working
with
County
to
dredge
Alligator
Creek,
because
that
is
within
the
purview
of
the
county.
B
B
Voting
events
we're
a
great
boating
community
here,
great
water,
great
events
that
are
already
happening.
Let's
take
advantage
of
those,
let's
also
develop
more
events,
to
attract
more
people
to
come
and
visit
our
city
marine
patrol.
We
need
at
least
one
full-time
marine
patrol
officer
in
Punta
Gorda
right
now
we
have
a
part-time
marine
patrol
officer.
It
gets
pulled
off
to
do
street
duty
whenever
there's
a
need.
We
need
to
assign
a
permanent
officer
to
these
duties
and
have
them
routinely
patrol
waters
within
the
city.
B
Additional
input
was
gathered
during
last
quarter
of
2018
from
the
Punta
Gorda
Chamber
of
Commerce,
the
Bern
store
aisles,
Home,
Owner
Associations,
the
historic
district
homeowners
association,
the
Punta
Gorda
Isles,
Civic
Association,
the
PG
Islanders
Boat
Club,
and
the
Punta
Gorda
sailing
club.
So
we
have
received
additional
input
and
the
changes
that
you
see
were
driven
by
the
input
we
received
una
Gorra
is
a
beautiful
and
neat
unique
boating
community.
B
We
need
to
plan
our
future,
enhance
the
lives
of
our
citizens
and
protect
our
little
corner
of
paradise,
and,
let
me
just
say
on
the
items
that
that
were
talked
about
taking
out
the
dingy
docks
is
my
understanding
that
the
belief
is.
If
the
dingy
docks
were
not
there,
that
boaters
would
not
come
ashore.
I
can
tell
you,
that's
not
true,
they
would
come
ashore
and
litter
the
shore
with
their
dinghies.
B
They
would
not
just
say:
oh
no
dingy
docks,
I
can't
come
ashore,
I've
sailed
all
over
the
world
and
I
tell
you
most
of
the
time.
There's
no
digging
doc.
He
just
go
ashore
derelict
boats.
The
city
has
no
control
over
derelict
boats,
derelict
boats
of
the
responsibility
of
the
state
and
county
governments,
and
right
now
there
is
legislation
being
presented
to
the
state
legislature.
That
will
make
it
easier
to
deal
with
derelict
boats,
but
the
city
has
no
way
of
dealing
with
any
boats
they're
anchored
in
the
harbor.
B
A
mooring
ball
field
would
give
you
at
least
the
ability
to
control
how
many,
how
long
people
stay
on
mooring
balls
and
push
boats
further
back
from
the
shore.
They
would
have
to
be
behind
the
mooring
balls
boat
registrations
are
already
talked
about.
You
don't
have
to
have
a
number
on
your
boat
if
your
boat
is
documented,
my
boat
does
not
have
a
number
on
it.
B
East
will
not
accommodate
tall
boats,
they
need
additional
dockets
at
fisherman's
village.
People
want
to
anchor
near
Fisherman's
Village
in
order
to
get
water
pump
out
and
fuel
bathrooms
and
showers
I
talked
about
that.
Those
will
be
provided
by
whomever
manages
the
mooring
ball
field.
Cost
of
the
mooring
ball
field
will
probably
be
paid
for
through
grants.
That's
the
way
the
east
one
was
paid
for
that
was
totally
under
grants,
so
it
won't
cost
the
citizens
of
Punta
Gorda.
If
we
get
grants
and
any
additional
tax
money
and.
B
Unsavory
people-
that
was
something
that
we
heard
when
we
met
with
the
boaters
Association.
If
you
got
somebody
nude
on
the
boat,
I
agree
with
you,
they
don't
need
to
be
prancing
around
in
their
birthday
suit
when
I
lived
in
Nashville,
believe
it
or
not,
I
had
a
neighbor
that
did
that
he
didn't
have
a
boat.
He
just
had
a
yard
next
to
me,
so
I,
don't
know
how
you
control
that
unsavory
people
when
specifically
asked
at
that
meeting
what
incidents
have
you
had
in
the
recent
past
with
boaters
causing
problems,
none
were
mentioned.
A
C
You
yes,
I,
would
like
to
just
point
out
the
fact
that
this
is
not
a
new
plan
back
in
2011,
the
City
Council
approved
and
adopted
a
waterfront
master
plan
from
the
boaters
Alliance,
and
this
is
merely
an
updated
and
tweaked
and
modernized
plan
of
what
was
already
approved
by
council
in
a
previous
year.
So
this
is
not
something
new.
We
didn't
just
create
this
out
of
the
sky.
We
took
what
we
already
had
and
we
enhanced
it
and
we
we
made
it
relevant.
C
We
added
all
the
comments
and
feedback
we
received
from
all
the
different
groups
we
met
with
John
and
I
have
been
working
together
now,
for
close
to
two
years,
we've
been
working
with
all
the
different
area:
organizations
that
are
homeowners
groups,
boat
clubs,
we've
received
input
at
numerous
boaters
Alliance
meetings
that
I
attend
every
month.
This
is
a
compilation
of
all
of
the
feedback
and
input
that
we've
received
from
all
of
those
groups
to
try
to
modernize
this
plan
and
make
it
relevant.
C
We
had
a
committee
that
the
City
Council
approved
back
in
2007,
which
was
the
waterfront
development,
Advisory
Committee.
They
came
forward
and
and
got
together
with
the
boaters
Alliance
and
the
Concerned
Citizens
Committee,
and
all
told
they
brought
together
a
plan
that
we've
already
accepted.
All
we're
asking
for
now
is
to
accept
this
updated
version
of
the
plan
and
adopt
it,
and
hopefully,
move
forward
doesn't
have
to
be
all
done
today
or
tomorrow,
but
to
hopefully
move
forward
with
adopting
and
implementing
a
lot
of
the
suggestions
that
are
made
in
this
plan.
C
This
is
ultimately
a
goal
to
make
us
a
desirable
waterfront
destination
for
visitors
and
also
for
our
local
builders
to
use
our
Harbor
waters
and
to
make
things
better
for
everyone.
We
we
knew
that
there
were
some
problems
when
we
met
with
the
district
wand,
homeowners
group,
we
we
understood,
we
listened
to
all
of
their
concerns.
C
We
immediately
that
day
actually
had
had
the
police
department
going
out
on
a
patrol
boat
with
the
FWC
and
stopping
by
every
boat
and
introducing
their
self
themselves,
checking
for
registrations
checking
for
lighting
checking
for
pump
outs
to
make
sure
nobody
was
discharging
into
the
harbor
waters.
So
we've
done,
we've
started
that
process.
We've
already
removed
two
derelict
boats
that
were
in
our
waters.
One
was
crashing
up
on
the
shore
in
front
of
the
the
two
buildings
at
Gilchrist
Park
and
one
was
sitting
at
our
dock
at
Lashley,
Park,
marina,
we're
working
on
those
problems.
C
We
know
we
have
to
take
action
because
obviously
no
one
else
was
so.
We've
been
working
on
that
and
John
and
I
have
been
very
diligent
about
following
up
on
all
of
those
concerns,
but
you
know
to
have
a
mooring,
ballfield
and
dingy
docks
on
the
west.
Shore
of
the
bridges
is
extremely
important
because
we
would
be
able
to
have
some
control
over
who's
out
there
anchoring
in
our
waters
right
now.
C
C
We
have
some
concerns
about
that,
but
you
know
we
also
need
to
be
concerned
about
being
a
waterfront
friendly
boating
community
and,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
which
is
ultimately
the
goal
of
all
of
the
people
who
are
boaters
here,
we
need
we
need
to
accept
this
plan
and
move
it
forward.
So
I
do
have
more
comments
but
go
ahead.
Gary
I
am.
D
Uncomfortable
accepting
this
as
a
plan
in
and
of
itself
I'm,
not
uncomfortable,
incorporating
this
into
the
citywide
master
plan
and
I'd
like
to
say
this
for
a
couple
reasons,
I
think
there's
a
couple
things
that
we
as
a
body
have
to
keep
in
mind
the
statement
that
we
are
about
a
community.
A
boating
community
today
is
a
correct
statement
of
our
voting
districts
all,
but
one
of
them
are
predominantly
boating
communities.
D
However,
if
you
look
out
2030
and
fifty
years
from
now,
that
is
not
going
to
be
the
case
for
the
city
and
we,
as
a
body
even
today,
need
to
be
cognizant
of
the
development.
That's
going
to
be
occurring,
east
of
41,
all
the
way
out
to
the
airport,
we've
already
passed,
ordinances
within
and
that
as
soon
as
those
parcels
come
and
touch
Chaney
brothers,
a
good
example.
D
As
soon
as
we
touched
their
piece
of
property
they're
committed
to
an
annex
into
it's
just
as
Walmart
has
recently
done,
and
these
are
not
direct
parts
of
voting
communities.
So
we
have
to
be
very
protective
of
the
of
those
entities
that
we
have
today,
which
is
the
predominantly
voting
community.
But
we
have
to
be
very
cognizant
and
aware
of
whether
this
community
is
going
to
be
going
demographically
and
geographically
over
the
course
of
the
next
20
30
50
years
from
now,
and
that's
part
of
our
responsibility.
D
So
this
to
me
has
to
be
only
a
segment
of
what
the
citywide
master
plan
is
and
to
take
in
that
holistic,
encompassing
of
it
I
always
encourage
and
have
been
on
record
of
encouraging
any
type
of
commercial
development
that
is
good
for
the
commercial
business
of
the
city.
So
the
idea
of
whether
it's
a
fisherman's,
village
or
a
hotel
or
both
and
want
to
step
up
and
develop
commercially
with
a
a
more
involve
and
involved
some
appropriate
type
of
private
government
cooperation,
albeit
but
I,
don't
want
to
accept
this
as
a
direct
entity.
D
My
other
concern
with
plans
such
as
this,
including
with
the
one
that
we're
doing
now,
as
I've
stated
before
we
did
a
team
Punta
Gorda,
gave
us
this
incredible
gift
a
number
of
years
ago.
The
gift
was
accepted,
not
owned.
We
did
a
lot
of
the
things
on
that
gift,
but
it
was
not
considered
a
living
document.
Again.
We
heard
we've
done
this
in
the
past
and
this
is
an
update
of
what
we've
done
in
the
past.
D
This
should
the
updating
should
be
in
my
group
my
perspective
in
any
type
of
planning,
an
ongoing
process
on
our
yearly
or
by
yearly
place.
It
shouldn't
be
on
a
start,
but
stop
start
stop
because
things
are
changing
too
quickly,
and
so,
as
far
as
the
overall
compass
and
the
work
of
that
everything
you've
done,
I
I
applaud
you
and
I
support,
90%
of
it
without
question
and
5%
and
10%
of
it
I
think.
There's
always
you
know:
that's
not
bad
I'm
better
than
the
grades
I
got
in
college.
That's
for
sure.
E
D
I'd
like
to
go
forward,
but
I
just
want
us
to
be
in
cognizant
that,
yes,
we
are
a
boating
community
today
we
will
always
remain
a
significant
boating
community,
but
our
future
as
a
holistic
community
is
not
going
to
be
predominantly
boating.
It's
just
going
to
be
the
fact
that,
and
we
as
an
entity
body,
need
to
keep
that
in
mind.
I.
F
But
you
know
there's
no
dollars
in
here
that
tell
us
what
this
is
gonna
cost
and
you
know,
are
we
obligated
if
we
say?
Yes,
we
accept
this,
then
do
we
have
to
go
out
and
try
to
find
the
money,
because
you
know
we
don't
want
to
accept
150
thousand
dollars
unknown
entity
for
signage
I,
can't
imagine
two
million
dollars
for
a
mooring
field
that
we
don't
know
I
just
there's
too
many
unknowns.
If
we
can
say
okay,
this
is
a
wonderful
representation
of
what
our
voters
want.
B
B
G
B
F
B
I
would
appreciate
a
call
from
those
folks,
because
we've
heard
nothing
from
them
and
as
a
representative
of
every
Boat
Club
in
this
community
and
the
marine
industry,
you
would
have
thought
that
those
folks
would
have
been
in
touch
with
us
to
see
what
we're
doing
I'm
a
little
surprised.
We've
heard
nothing
from
them.
I'm.
F
A
D
D
I
know
yet
tribe
trust
me
I'm,
just
saying,
but
that's
the
time
that
that
the
various
citizens
communities
should
go
because
like
as
at
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make.
This
is
a
great
entity
in
addition
to
it.
But
the
the
ultimate
citywide
plan
should
be
very
much
more
holistic
and
I.
Think
that
this
bringing
this
up
in
the
charettes
will
help
bring
that
as
one
of
the
cornerstones
of
a
citywide
plan
that
we
need
to
develop.
A
D
H
H
That
one
thing
you
just
want
to
share:
we
can't
forget
that
we've
always
been
a
boating
community.
From
the
very
beginning,
I
mean
we
were
more
fishing
and
yachting
before
so
it's
it's
become
more
creational,
but
at
no
point
in
the
city's
history
have
we've
ever
not
emphasized
our
boating
community.
One
thing
I
think
we
I
think
it's
a
very
good
vision
document,
but
I.
H
We
wanted
to
make
ourselves
like
something
of
everybody
else,
they're
not
looking
at
us.
We.
What
we
do
not
want
to
be
is
a
home
for
both
dollars.
We
do
not
want
to
be
attractive.
It
took
Sarasota
30
years
to
get
rid
of
that
name.
People
we're
looking
Cape
Coral
could
not
hold
boat
races
last
year
because
there
were
so
much
pollution
in
the
water
that
it
was
exit,
oxic
and
I
think
that
we
truly
have
to
look
at
the
pluses
and
minuses
in
this
in
a
very,
very
big
way.
H
I
think
this
is
very
premature
for
us
to
actually
say
this
is
going
to
be
our
plan
without
really
looking
at
real
long-term
impacts,
because
we've
honestly
missed
a
bullet
one
of
the
few
communities
in
Florida
that
do
not
have
a
voting
problem
and
that's
part
of
we're
all
looking
at
the
pluses
there's
a
whole
lot
of
negatives
that
come.
If
you
don't
check
this
correctly
and
I
will
say
from
residents
who
do
live
along
the
waterfront
one.
One
thing
I
think
we
should
think
about.
H
Is
that
there's
a
reason
why
I'm
PGI
why
vessels
can
I
stay
overnight,
there's
a
reason
why
vacant
docks
can't
be
rented
out?
It's
because
there's
a
thought
about
the
safety
and
security
of
the
homeowners
we're
acting
as
if
those
who
live
along
the
waterfront
in
this
area.
Here
somehow,
don't
observe
that
same
right.
H
The
safety
and
security
that
other
people
have
I
think
that
we
need
to
understand
that
having
random
people
in
our
neighborhood
is
a
problem
and
I
will
tell
you
clearly,
since
the
diggy
dock
has
been
there,
people
have
actually
they
feel
less
comfortable
in
their
homes
and
they
had
them.
This
is
the
missus
a
reality
that
I
truly
think
that
if
people
come
here,
they
need
to
spend
money,
Rena
slip,
Fishman's,
village
or
Lashley,
and
I've
spoken
to
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
about
the
process
of
even
getting
more
slips.
There's
there's
a
fast-track
process.
H
If
you
do
it
half
acre
at
a
time,
we
can
do
that,
but
I.
Think
personally,
this
aspect
should
be
in
the
realm
of
commercial
business.
I,
really
don't
think
opening
up
too
much
of
our
other
space
to
rant
just
any
random
boaters
I,
just
don't
see
it
as
being
good
for
the
city,
long
term
I've
lived
for
20
years
on
islands
and
so
I've
seen
the
best
and
the
worst
of
boating
it.
So
this
is
not
like
new
to
me
in
this
respect.
H
I've
been
in
places
that
have
been
wonderful,
it
I've
been
in
places
that
have
been
absolutely
terrible
where
I've
seen
this
done
wrong.
Even
to
the
point
where,
even
with
this,
we
need
to
have
a
Harper
refuge,
we're
really
gonna
be
a
boating
community.
That's
gonna
be
a
world-class
place.
We
need
a
place
where,
when
hurricanes
come,
boats
can
go
and
hide
I
mean
there's
I.
H
H
B
B
H
B
H
A
B
A
H
I
very
much
was
embracing
the
idea,
but
with
further
inspection
there
were
impacts
which
I
personally
had
not
considered
so
I
was
with
you,
but
in
further
inspection,
even
talking
with
the
Coast
Guard,
then
problems
came
in
my
mind.
What
about
the
potentialities
of
what
I'm
saying?
Is
that
we're
not
considering
the
other
side?
What
we're
looking
at
only
is
the
positives,
we're
not
looking
at
the
negatives
and
I
think
what
we
have
to
do
for
proactively.
H
If
they're
gonna
be
negatives
that
could
potentially
come,
we
need
to
be
able
to
have
solutions
that
we
can
deal
with
those
ahead
of
time,
we're
what
we're
doing
right
now,
we're
not
considering
that
this
has
negatives.
What
we
need
to
do
is
think
of
all
the
pluses
and
minuses
and
a
plan
is
gonna,
be
a
master
plan.
Really
is
gonna,
be
like
this
thick
and
you're
gonna
have
every
aspect
as
much
as
we
can
possibly
consider
and
then.
I
H
C
A
The
idea
here
is-
and
I
will
give
a
perspective
on
this-
that
from
my
angle,
having
been
the
CEO
of
an
organization,
a
nonprofit
organization
that
presented
many
visionary
documents
to
the
city,
it
was
really
more
of
a
community
view
of
what
we
thought
and
what
we
were
thinking
at
the
time.
One
of
the
things
we
presented
was
a
waterfront
master
plan
back
in
2009,
8,
2008,
you're
right.
A
A
It
was
what
the
community
was
thinking
at
the
time
and
I
think
what
this
is
a
collection
of
what
the
community
is
thinking
at
the
time
and
I
don't
see
this
as
a
document
that
is
everything
in
it
once
we
accept
it
or
whatever
would
be
we're
gonna
go
down
the
list
and
implement
everything
line.
Item
by
line
item
I
agree
that
there
are
things
that
could
be.
You
know,
as
we
learn
more
and
dig
deeper
into
some
things,
but
we
may
come
up
with
the
solution
on
some
things,
so
I
think
that's
that's.
A
The
beauty
of
this
community
is
the
collaboration
and
helping
us
in
helping
the
government
solve
problems,
and
so
I
appreciate
all
of
the
community
weighing
in
on
this
and
I
agree
that
this
is
a
great
item
to
add
to
the
planning
process
next
week
and
looking
forward
to
that
and
I
know
that
the
the
boat
Punta
Gorda
Boat
Club
is
looking
forward
to
participating
as
well.
So
Gary
you
had
a
comment.
You.
D
Preempted
me,
for
the
most
part,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
want
to
applaud
the
the
the
document
as
affording
us
the
opportunity
and-
and
the
timing
is
really
actually
impeccable,
of
forcing
us
to
deal
with
the
questions,
both
positive
and
negative
and
I'm
not
going
to
talk
too
much
further
because
I'm
as
guilty
as
John.
When
I
get
a
look
on
something
but
I
just
say
it
should
be
part
of
our
citywide
national
plan.
D
C
Let
me
just
finalize
by
saying
it
was
always
our
intent
for
this
plan
to
be
incorporated
into
the
citizen's
master
plan.
That
was
from
the
very
beginning
what
our
goal
was,
and
we
we
did
present
this
several
months
ago
to
Council,
with
the
hope
that
we
could
tweak
it
until
we
got
to
the
citizens
master
plan,
so
it
be
folded
in.
So
that
is
definitely
the
goal
and
I
think
that
if
there
is
input
that
is
provided
next
week
during
the
charettes,
then
all
the
better.
C
Maybe
we
can
even
define
some
of
the
costs
of
some
of
what
we're
talking
about
here,
but
we
need.
We
have
been
told
by
national
travel
writers
that
we
are
not
a
boating
friendly
community
and
the
goal
of
that
of
this
document
is
to
change
that
vision.
We
need
if
we
want
to
encourage
people
to
come
to
our
city
and
spend
money
in
our
city,
as
visitors.
Visiting
boaters
have
to
have
basic
amenities
to
come
here
and
have,
and
there
has
to
be
a
reason
for
them
to
come
here.
C
So
that
was
the
goal
of
the
document
and
and
by
accepting
the
document
as
a
council,
we
can
at
least
move
it
forward
to
the
to
the
Charette
process.
Next
week
and
I
do
I'm
very
disappointed
that
Dover
coal
has
not
reached
out
to
the
boaters
Alliance
because
it
represents
over
30
organizations
in
the
community
that
are
all
boating
related,
so
that
that's
concerning
to
me.
It's
very
concerning
to
me
well.
A
A
A
J
J
The
lease
basically
talks
about
moving
the
hospital
and
the
rehab
area
that
the
Wildlife
Center
has
from
ponce
park
dundee
road.
It's
a
out
of
the
way,
and
they
don't
need
that
those
facilities
they're,
not
public
oriented
facilities.
They
don't
need
them
in
ponce
park
and
you
heard
bad
companion
talk
about
what
that
enables
the
ponce
park
site.
J
The
Wildlife
Center
be
responsible
for
construction
and
utility
hookups,
whatever
is
needed
out
there
included
in
the
lease
is
that
the
city
will
pay
for
the
have
a
monthly
utility
bill
and
they
have
the
proper
insurance
that
they
are
gonna
be
required.
The
reason
this
is
in
front
of
you
now
is
that
the
Wildlife
Center
has
to
go
in
front
of
the
Charlotte
County
to
get
a
rezoning
in
order
to
do
the
rezoning.
J
C
I
think
this
is
a
phenomenal
opportunity
for
all
of
us.
We
have
a
piece
of
property
that
is
virtually
useless
to
the
city
that
we
own
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
the
Wildlife
Center.
They
are
a
phenomenal
resource
in
our
community
and
they're
invaluable
in
what
they
do
for
us.
I'm
all
for
this
I
think
this
is
absolutely
a
no-brainer.
We
should
approve
it.
F
D
K
I
leased
all
executive
director
piece
or
Wildlife
Center.
Our
intention
with
the
satellite
facility
is
not
only
to
move
our
rehabilitation
and
hospital
services
out
of
the
park,
but
it's
also
our
intention
to
construct
a
building
that
will
serve
as
a
housing
unit
for
our
residents
in
ponce
park.
Would
a
hurricane
come
and
threaten
that
area?
Would.
A
Think
this
is
a
wonderful
thing,
I
think
it's
a
great
plan
and
if
you
are
able
to
get
it
done
so
that
then,
when
we
actually
get
into
the
reconstruction
of
plats
Park,
you
have
a
place
to
move
all
of
your
residents.
The
only
question
I
have
is
on
page
2
item
under
the
agreement
where
it
says
agreement,
two
items
see
pay
for
monthly
water
service
and,
if
applicable,
wastewater
service.
I
have
a
concern
of
us
doing
that
for
nonprofits
we
don't
pay
for
the
wastewater
services
for
the
visual
arts
center.
A
Although
we
do
lease
the
property
to
them
as
well
and
I
just
I
I
understand
in
Potts
Park.
We
have
some
kind
of
a
arrangement
whatever
that
is
now.
It
may
be
different
in
the
future.
Once
it's
the
park
is
redone,
but
I
just
have
a
concern
and
I've
had
residents
actually
comment
to
me:
make
it
a
concern
just
over
that
one
item:
that's
it
what.
K
I
would
like
to
point
out
as
well
is
that
there
is
not
currently
any
sewer
city
sewer
service
at
that
site.
So
we're
going
to
have
to
you
know,
speak
with
our
engineers
and
do
some
ground
testing
and
find
out
what
sort
of
drainage
system
or
sewer
system
would
be
applicable
for
that
site.
We
are
more
than
willing
to
put
in
a
septic
system.
If
that
follows
what
the
city's
goals
are
for
the
future
of
that
area.
K
C
To
see
this
happen,
I
think
it's
it's
going
to
be
invaluable
for
all
the
the
value
that
you
bring
to
the
community
and
you've
always
been
very,
very
frugally
responsible
as
far
as
the
water
and
sewer
at
this
at
the
city
park,
so
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
I,
don't
think
we're
talking
about
an
exorbitant
amount
of
money,
I.
C
D
A
I
A
E
J
G
For
the
record,
my
name
is
Lisa
lightly,
I'm,
the
project
manager
at
Dover,
:
partners
working
on
the
citywide
master
plan,
we're
here
to
present
the
initial
findings
of
our
economic
and
budgetary
analysis,
go
ahead
and
get
started.
I
just
wanted
to
start
with
a
quick
overview
of
our
timeline
and
process.
Thus
far,
this
is
our
team.
Like
I
mentioned
I'm
Dover
Cole,
we're
leading
the
urban
design
and
land-use
Public
Engagement.
G
We
also
have
here
in
EDA,
morrison
founding
principle
of
PS
partners
of
economic
solutions
who
has
been
working
specifically
on
this
analysis,
all
planning
and
engineering.
It
will
also
be
at
the
shruts
next
week
and
he
is
our
transportation
engineer
and
planner
on
the
team,
so
just
an
overall
timeline
of
the
process.
Right
now
we're
just
in
the
beginning
of
March
we're
presenting
to
Council
these
findings
the
next
week
we'll
be
back
for
the
Charette.
G
The
goal
is
to
have
a
first
draft
of
the
plan
right
around
the
end
of
June
and
then
move
to
a
final
plan
by
the
end
of
August.
So,
as
you
can
see,
today's
March
6
we
are
here
presenting
to
Council
I
mentioned.
Will
be
here
next
week
all
week
talking
to
everyone
and
we'll
have
a
big
kick-off
and
hands-on
design
session
on
Monday
two
sessions
one
in
the
morning
and
one
in
the
evening.
G
We
will
also
have
an
open
house
to
discuss
concepts
for
the
boathouse
site
and
the
bayfront
Center
in
Gilchrist
Park,
specifically
on
Wednesday
evening
at
Charlotte
high
we'll
also
have
open
design
studio
between
Tuesday
and
Thursday.
When
everyone
can
stop
by
and
talk
to
us
and
give
us
their
feedback
sit
down
talk
over
any
specific
issue
they
have
and
to
give
additional
ideas
and
then
Friday.
We
will
reconvene
and
present
our
initial
findings
back
to
you
all
and
see
what
the
reactions
are.
So
that's
just
a
quick
overview,
John
feel
free
to
stay.
G
L
Thank
you.
So
let
me
just
emphasize
these
are
initial
findings.
It
is
a
preliminary
report,
but
it
was
important
that
we
provide
a
basis,
a
foundation
for
the
Charette
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
is
market-based
and
realistic,
as
we
do
the
designs
and
the
concepts
and
to
provide
some
guidance
and
some
feedback
about
the
implications
for
the
city's
fiscal
health
from
some
of
the
decisions
that
will
be
made
or
recommendations
that
will
come
out
of
that
analysis.
L
So
we
started
with
an
overview
of
the
economy
and
looking
again
at
the
strengths,
weaknesses,
opportunities
and
threats
which
is
sort
of
a
classic
approach
to
evaluation.
I.
Think,
clearly,
you
know
the
charming
community
with
the
hometown
feeling
you've
experienced
steady
growth
in
the
population.
The
migration
statistics
show
that
nine
and
a
half
percent
of
your
population
migrates
into
the
county
each
year,
so
you're
constantly
renewing
the
population
and
and
growing
along
the
way.
So
again
it's
a
retirement
community,
primarily
the
boating
community.
L
We
see,
you
know
fairly
high
median
age
of
sixty
six
point:
three,
that's
quite
a
bit
higher
than
the
statewide
average
high
on
homeownership
rates,
83%
good
median
household
income,
almost
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
net
worth
of
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
local
residents.
That's
a
strong
financial
and
economic
base
for
the
community.
L
So,
that's
that
that's
a
little
concerning,
of
course,
because
what
that
means
is
that
you
have
a
high
share
of
the
jobs
that
are
low-wage,
they're
focused
in
retail,
leisure
and
hospitality,
and
then
in
certain
aspects
of
health
care
are
also
low.
Wage
issues
or
low
wage
jobs
is
a
highly
seasonal
business
community,
and
so
that
is
a
challenge
to
the
businesses
that
that
cater
to
this
population,
and
one
thing
that
we
saw
in
evaluating
the
downtown
is
something
of
a
lack
of
critical
mass.
There
is
a
good
core
of
retailers.
L
It's
not
enough,
though,
to
really
cement
your
your
role
as
a
center
of
the
region,
and
so
we'd
like
to
see
that
expand,
that's
not
likely
to
happen
in
and
of
itself.
It
needs
the
downtown
needs,
more
attractions,
more
activities,
more
generators
and
more
residents
in
order
to
create
the
base
for
expanding
that
business
community
we've.
We
are
concerned
that
the
lack
of
diversity
makes
you
susceptible
to
economic
shocks.
Of
course,
the
economic
downturn
directly
affects
tourism
and
and
does
affect
your
budget
as
well.
L
Moving
on
to
the
residential
side,
one
of
the
issues
is
the
focus
of
your
housing
products
in
the
the
single-family
attached
or
detached
means
that
there
aren't
many
multifamily
units.
There
aren't
many
rental
units
available
in
the
market.
The
high
pricing
on
these
homes
means
that
young
families
are
often
crowded
out
of
the
housing
market,
and
that
makes
it
hard
to
attract
and
retain
younger
workers.
L
So,
as
we
looked
at
commuting
only
9%
of
the
people
who
work
in
the
city,
actually,
you
can
live
in
the
city
or
do
live
in
the
city,
and
so
that's
that's
a
concern
for
local
businesses
who
need
to
find
and
and
hold
on
to
good
people.
That
opens
it
up
to
some
opportunities.
There
are
a
lot
of
smaller
sites
available
for
good
infill
housing.
We're
certainly
seeing
a
growing
interest
across
the
country
in
housing.
L
That's
in
mixed
juice,
communities,
where
the
amenities
are
close
by
you
can
walk
and
bike
to
those,
and
so
we'd
expect
to
have
some
opportunities
for
greater
downtown
housing
and
for
close-in
housing
in
particular,
and
be
looking
to
create
and
take
advantage
of
this
walkable
environment
so
that
we
can
reduce
them.
And
it's
on
Auto
commuting.
L
That
is
part
of
an
experience
that
you
don't
get
online
and
that's
very
important
for
your
long-term
stability,
but
it
does
suggest
that
there
may
be
some
limits
as
to
how
much
you
should
be
growing
the
retail
retail
base
in
the
shorter
term
in
the
neck
in
the
next
10
years.
The
hotel
market
is
a
strong
one
and
responds
to
the
appeal
that
you
have.
L
The
main
challenge,
though,
is
the
Sunseeker
resort
across
in
Port
Charlotte
will
pretty
much
soak
up
the
demand
for
what
would
otherwise
be
downtown
hotel
rooms
and
certainly
takes
some
time
to
stabilize
that
that
market.
So
we
would
suggest
that
in
the
next
decade
that
you're,
probably
looking
at
one
or
two
hotels,
probably
more
in
the
Jones
Loop
area,
rather
than
downtown,
because
of
that
the
Sunseeker
competition
on
the
residential
side,
there's
opportunities
for
six
to
nine
hundred
new
single
family
units.
We
suggested
about
three
hundred
and
four
hundred
multifamily
rentals.
L
Again,
that's
responding
to
the
need
of
your
workforce
to
live
locally
and
to
give
you
a
little
more
balance
between
the
owner
and
the
renter
population
and
then
300
to
750
condominium,
depending
in
part
on
how
large
how
quickly
your
seasonal
use
grows
relative
to
the
year-round
population,
the
city
on
a
fiscal.
The
fiscal
standpoint
of
course
went
through
major
issues
with
Hurricane
Charley
and
then
to
be
hit
right
after
you've,
almost
recovered
from
that
by
the
great
housing
crisis
and
the
Great
Recession
put
great
strains
on
the
city's
budget.