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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 04-18-18 Part 3
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A
A
There's
only
two
things
you
just
want
to
do:
ask
the
questions,
and
then
we
can
approve
the
whole
thing:
yeah.
Okay,
wait.
We
got
to
take
public
comment.
First,
okay,
public
comment
on
consent,
agenda
items.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
speak
on
the
minutes
of
April
4th
or
the
resolution
for
the
pedestrian
bridge,
now
would
be
the
time.
Please
take
this
podium
over
here
state,
your
name.
You
have
three
minutes.
B
D
B
We
go
should
such
real
property
cease
to
be
used
for
the
stated
purposes
for
a
continuous
period
of
two
or
more
years.
This
easement
shall
automatically
terminate
upon
the
termination
of
this
agreement
by
any
cause.
Punta
Gorda
shall
have
the
right
to
require
and
upon
demand.
Three-Two-One
dynasties
shall
be
obligated
to
remove
all
improvements
in
the
easement
and
restore
the
easement
area,
to
its
pre-existing
condition.
D
I
think
the
intent
was
that-
and
this
is
consistent
with
other
provisions
in
our
code,
about
abandonment
of
properties
and
the
loss
of
ability
to
be
able
to
use
the
property
for
that
attendant
purpose,
maybe
like
a
rezoning
or
whatever
so
that
they're.
Given
you
know
two
years
of
continuous
non
use
for
the
for
this
agreement
to
terminate
once
it's
terminated,
we
could.
D
B
C
B
Understand
that
but
I
guess,
my
question
is
if,
for
any
reason,
the
restaurant
were
to
close
and
it
went
back
to
a
private
residential
use
for
the
facility
that
is,
is
being
constructed.
Are
we
going
to
allow
tenants
who
may
occupy
that
building
the
use
of
the
property,
the
parking
lot
as
well
and
overnight
parking,
which
we
don't
really
want
to
encourage
I,
don't
think
if.
D
It
was
reverted
back
to
residential
use.
Then
that's
not
the
use
that
this
was
intended
to
serve,
so
it
would
be
closed
on
correct
the
idea
being
that
a
commercial
use
is
something
that
benefits
the
community
as
a
whole
right
and
that's
why
the
community
is
willing
to,
because
there
is
benefits
to
the
community
as
a
whole
if
it
was,
if
the
use
reverted
back
to
just
something
that
benefits
a
private
individual.
Only
then
the
purpose
for
which
this
resolution
this
this
agreement
was
entered
into
goes
away.
Okay,
so
should
the
benefits.
A
B
B
A
E
A
Have
a
motion
a
second
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
All
in
favor
opposed
carries
unanimously.
Okay,
next
we're
moving
into
our
regular
agenda.
So
this
would
be
the
time
citizens
comments
on
regular
agenda
items
only
which
would
be
the
award
amendment
number
26
to
Weiler
engineering,
Punta
Gorda
at
a
crossroads
presentation,
continued
discussion
of
the
ban
on
parking
on
the
grass
and
Gilchrist
Park,
and
then
we
have
beta
boards
and
committees.
So
if
you
would
like
to
speak
on
any
one
of
those
items,
now
would
be
the
time
take
this
podium
over
here.
A
F
I'm
Jay
Atkinson
I'm
just
here
to
put
formally
on
the
record
that
myself
and
many
other
moms
and
families
in
the
area
are
against
changing
the
ordinance
regarding
parking
on
the
grass
at
Gilchrist
Park.
It
seems
like
a
non-issue
to
me.
I
feel
like
I.
Don't
know
why
we're
still
discussing
it,
but
it's
a
safety
issue,
there's
already
an
incident
on
the
record
where
a
child
was
almost
run
over.
There
are
no
other
parks.
I.
F
Don't
understand
why
this
is
an
issue
why
people
will
be
parking
on
the
grass
at
a
public
park
where
children
are
walking
on
a
public
sidewalk
15
to
25
families
over
at
Gilchrist
Park
right
now
for
moms
and
tots
who
are
behind
me
and
who
have
the
same
opinion?
Who
just
can't
be
here
because
they're
with
their
kids
or
or
otherwise,
working
at
schools
and
have
jobs
so
I'm
sure
there
are
more
people
here
to
speak
besides
me,
but
I
have
people
behind
me
who
agree
so
would
suggest
that
we
do
not
change
that
ordinance.
F
A
G
H
My
name
is
Margie
Blackwell
and
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
parking
at
Gilchrist.
Park
I
sent
all
the
councilmembers
a
letter
stating
my
position.
I,
along
with
you,
love
this
city
and
have
lived
in
Charlotte
County
since
1972
I
think
that
we
have
a
beautiful,
beautiful
little
city
here,
it's
charming
it's
on
the
waterfront
I
also
think
that
there
are
other
charming,
beautiful
little
cities
with
waterfront.
H
H
The
things
that
have
come
out
of
that
have
have
been
so
positive
and
I
do
appreciate
your
dedication
to
improving
our
city,
but
sometimes
there
are
unintended
consequences
and
I
know
in
making
improvements
to
the
cup
to
the
park.
It
wasn't
your
intent
to
move
those
Jam
nights
so
that
they
couldn't
happen,
they're
messy,
they're,
not
organized,
and
yet
they
bring
real
cultural
value
to
our
community
along
with
being
unique.
H
You
just
can't
find
that
in
other
in
other
towns
and
so
I'm
here
to
encourage
you
to
vote
for
option
three
among
the
options
you're
considering
there
hasn't
been
damage
to
the
park
over
the
course
of
30
years,
and
if
it
is
to
decide
it
is
just
sod,
it's
not
buildings,
but
a
well-loved.
Well-Used
Park
is
a
reflection
of
your
wisdom
and
your
willingness
to
embrace
what's
special
about
this
community.
H
So
if
you
vote
for
option
3,
you
could
revisit
it
in
a
certain
time
frame
in
six
months
or
a
year
and
say:
is
it
unfolding
as
it
should
be?
This
group
has
not
caused
any
harm,
they
resolve
their
own
problems
between
amplification
and
the
acoustical
groups,
and
if
we
lose
it,
if
we
lose
it,
it's
gone,
it
won't
come
back.
It's
that
kind
of
a
cultural
offering
it's
very
special,
so
I
encourage
you
to
vote
for
option
three.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
I
Good
morning,
Bart
Dailey
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
under
unfinished
business
I'm
here,
to
also
ask
you
to
vote
for
option
3
this
musical
tradition.
You
have
cannot
be
purchased,
I,
don't
think
Tampa.
Has
it
I,
don't
think
Fort
Myers
has
it
it
can't
be
bought.
You
have
it
here
and
right
now,
it's
unfinished
business,
but
the
more
rules
and
laws
that
deter
or
inhibit
or
diminish
their
bill
to
gather
and
just
sing
and
make
some
people
happy
once
a
week.
I
J
My
name
is
holly
Kirchner
live
in
Punta,
Gorda
and
I.
Guess
I
would
like
to
see
you
redesign
the
parking
back
to
something
similar
to
the
way
it
used
to
be
where
you
could
actually
pull
up
drop
your
stuff
off
drop
your
mother
off,
so
that
she
could
actually
walk
to
the
pavilion
and
then
you
could
have
parking
along
there
and
you
could
actually
exit
back
out
on
Retta.
J
K
My
name
is
Andrea
Kate
Lee
I
actually
live
across
the
street.
From
the
park.
I
watched
the
guitar
army,
every
Tuesday
Thursday
nights,
I
moved
here
in
2016
I
enjoy
the
guitar
army
from
my
porch
and
I've
watched
it
and
when
we
closed
the
park,
unfortunately,
the
gore
guitar
army
had
to
go
somewhere
else
and
habits
after
a
whole
year
habits
change
I
saw
the
guitar
army,
it
took
him
a
while,
but
they
came
back
to
Gilcrest.
K
Well
after
it
opened
the
promise,
habits
have
changed,
everybody,
its
habits
has
changed,
guitar
army
isn't
getting
the
crowd
it
used
to
get,
and
that's
not
because
the
parking
everybody
left
last
night
as
soon
as
the
Sun
set
guitar
army
was
over
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
parking.
The
parking
now
I
watch.
All
the
kids
come
out
and
play
they're
playing
soccer,
they're
playing
football
they're
running
with
their
dogs.
It's
it's
a
beautiful
thing.
Guitar
army
will
be
guitar
army.
K
If
the
people
choose
to
do
it,
not
because
of
the
parking
there
should
be
no
parking
on
the
grass
and
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
you
can
extend
it
all
the
way
down
to
the
pickup
ball
tell
them
they
can't
park
on
the
grass
anymore
either.
I
know
we're
gonna
change,
it
there's
plenty
of
parking
for
everybody
bottom
line,
but
we
shouldn't
be
parking
on
the
grass
it's
a
park,
not
a
parking
lot.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
L
Yes,
talking
about
as
presents
okay,
the
we
often
hear
when
I
moved
here,
practicing
comments
that
we've
heard
about
no
growth,
no
more
businesses,
no
more
job
opportunities.
Things
like
that.
What
about
the
people
who
were
born
here
we
were
raised
here-
went
to
school
here,
have
all
their
family
and
friends
here.
What
about
them?
What
do
we
tell
them
upon
graduation
from
high
school
or
college?
Do
we
hand
them
a
diploma
and
a
bus
ticket
say
come
back
when
you've
made
it?
L
L
That
includes
providing
for
them
things
like
a
living
wage
if
it's
possible,
affordable
housing,
the
City
Council
and
staff
that
represents
them
too,
and,
most
importantly,
the
understanding
that
those
of
us
who
move
here
into
this
very
special
City
will
come
here
to
be
a
unique
part
to
be
a
part
of
this
unique
city
that
will
flourish
only
if
we
allow
it.
But
what?
If
the
majority
of
citizens
don't
want
growth,
they
don't
want
new
businesses,
they
don't
want
new
job
opportunities.
L
The
only
thing
I
could
say
to
that
is
I'd
like
to
quote
something
from
the
principles
of
democracy.
It's
a
publication
issued
by
the
United
States
Department
of
State,
the
copy
that
I
have
was
last
updated
under
the
George
Bush
administration
and
I'd
like
to
read
from
that
something
about
that's
its
title:
majority
rule
minority
rights
and
I'll
just
read
a
portion
of
it
on
the
surface.
The
principles
of
majority
rule
in
the
action
of
individual
and
minority
rice
would
seem
contradictory.
L
In
fact,
however,
these
principles
are
twin
pillars,
holding
the
very
foundation
of
what
we
mean
by
democratic
government
majority
rule
is
a
means
for
organizing
government
in
deciding
public
issues.
It
is
not
another
road
to
oppression,
just
as
no
self-appointed
group
has
the
right
to
oppress
others.
L
So
no
majority,
even
in
a
democracy,
should
take
away
those
basic
rights
and
freedoms
of
a
minority
group
or
individual
minorities,
whether
as
a
result
of
ethnic
background,
religious
beliefs,
geographic
location,
income
level
or
simply
as
the
losers
in
election
or
political
debate,
enjoy
guaranteed
basic
human
rights,
that
no
government
and
no
majority
elected
or
not,
should
remove.
At
the
end
of
this
section,
it
says
there
can
be
no
single
answer
as
to
how
a
minority
group
differences
in
views
and
values
are
resolved.
L
Only
the
sure
knowledge
that,
through
the
democratic
process
of
tolerance,
debate
and
willingness
to
compromise,
can
free
societies
reach
agreements
that
embrace
the
twin
pillars
of
majority
rule
and
minority
rights.
I
think
we
should
we
should
take.
We
should
consider
this
when
we
look
at
the
growth
of
the
city
and
may
be
one
of
those
one
of
those
issues.
One
of
those
rights
is
the
rights
of
the
citizens
here
to
provide
for
them.
The
city,
Perth
deprived
the
same
thing
that
those
of
us
who
have
moved
here
provided
for
us.
Thank
you
thank.
A
M
First
of
all,
I
just
wanted
to
applaud
again
the
city
for
doing
the
Town
Hall
the
other
night
and
having
a
discussion
regarding
growth
and
the
future
direction
of
the
city.
Also,
council,
men
vice
mayor
wine,
is
doing
a
presentation
today
and
I'd
like
to
plot
that
as
well
in
terms
of
the
future
of
the
city.
I.
M
Think
a
few
fundamentals
first
need
to
be
financially
sound.
I'm
concerned
that
the
next
hurricane
that
comes
through
FEMA
may
not
be
as
flush
with
with
cash
or
his
willingness
to
come
to
our
aid.
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
on
strong
financial
ground
along
those
lines.
It
was
said
the
other
night
that
we're
essentially
a
55-plus
community.
The
inflow
of
residents,
will
take
care
of
the
problem.
M
I
think,
as
you're
working
in
your
face
with
with
aqua
that
you
give
serious
consideration
towards
what
types
of
businesses
you
wish
to
attract
as
a
city,
the
corridor
between
downtown
and
the
hospital
seems
like
it
might
be,
an
opportunity,
that's
again,
that's
as
important,
I
think
and
as
a
whole
as
it
as
is
downtown,
but
perhaps
the
City
Council
can
look
in
Phase
two
to
work
with
consultants
to
determine
what
is
their
special
niche.
What
types
of
businesses
are
we
going
to
go
after?
Is
it
going
to
be
tech,
the
marine
business
ecotourism?
M
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Janice
Chupke
and
I
live
in
a
historic
district.
Forgive
me,
I
am
so
nervous,
I'm
very
at
home,
in
a
medical
setting,
but
this
is
just
not
my
genre,
so
I
want
to
address
the
parking
I
hope
some
of
you
got.
The
video
that
I
sent
you
I
want
you
to
know
that
from
our
family's
perspective,
it's
absolutely
lovely.
The
park
is
beautiful,
so
with
that
said,
we
don't
think
anyone
should
park
on
the
grass
we
waited
for
over
a
year
for
phase
one
I.
N
Don't
understand
why
people
can't
wait
for
Phase,
two
I
mean
really
there
will
be
more
parking.
No
one
is
singling
out
any
group
in
my
mind
or
my
family's
mind,
except
those
of
those
people
that
actually
want
to
destroy
the
grass
and
park
on
it.
Finally,
there's
a
park
that
kids
can
run
in
without
dead
grass,
and
let
me
tell
you
with
that
dead
grass.
My
kids
couldn't
play
other
kids
couldn't
play
because
you
get
burrs
that
occur
on
your
pants
in
your
hair,
etc.
N
N
The
other
thing
is
that
there's
less
standing
water,
so
guess
what
less
mosquitoes
I
can
actually
walk
out
there
and
then
I
not
get
attacked.
So
when
the
cars
parked
there
and
destroyed
the
grass,
it
causes
little
divots
of
lots
and
lots
of
water,
so
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
If
that
does
happen
again,
also,
that's
why
it's
called
Gilcrest
Park,
not
Gilcrest
parking
lot.
N
There
were
plenty
of
parking
spaces
out
there,
so
the
other
thing
I
want
to
address
too.
Is
there
they're
saying
that
it's
been
a
history
for
them
to
park
on
the
grass?
Well,
when
I
came
to
Florida
as
a
young
girl,
I
could
park
on
the
beach,
but
they
stopped
that
and
almost
all
the
beaches,
except
for
I,
think
Daytona
now
and
the
reason
being
was
because
it
was
destroying
the
beaches.
So,
yes,
I
don't
like
to
drag
all
my
stuff
either,
but
you
know
what
people
that
can't
walk
or
have
problems.
N
There
are
wheelchairs,
there
are
walkers
and
there
is
an
area
where
you
can
drop
the
children
off.
Last
but
not
least,
my
husband
could
not
be
here,
and
he
wanted
me
to
read
something
so
I'm.
Just
gonna
read
you.
This
came
from
his
heart
as
well.
My
family
lived
here
before
the
park
was
renovated.
It
was
a
shamble
after
cars
parked
in
the
grass,
so
my
time
is
up.
I
won't
keep
going,
but
he
did
want
to
say
that
there
was
a
medical
aspect
that
that
people
were
saying
from
walking
parking
in.
N
A
O
My
name
is
chipboard:
Isles
came
here
in
1972
got
my
first
driver's
license.
There
was
one
bridge
and
it
was
a
drawbridge,
so
I've
seen
a
whole
lot
of
changes
down
here.
The
joke
back
then,
was
the
roll
up
the
sidewalks
here
at
5
o'clock,
because
it
was
a
very
small
town,
mostly
fishing
in
any
case
I've,
since
both
my
daughter's
graduated
from
Charlotte
high
and
we
just
loved
this
place,
I
think
that
the
first
thing
they
did
when
they
graduated
college
was
go
somewhere
else.
O
I
find
that
said,
I
think
we
need
some
type
of
additional
culture
here.
I
think
that
has
a
lot.
Sarasota
draws
a
lot
of
people
because
they
have
a
lot
more
cultural
events
going
on
I,
see
progress
here
and
I
love
it.
So
my
point
is
that
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
the
parking
situation.
Obviously
there
is
a
parking
problem
when
Carmela's
opens
up
is
going
to
be
worse.
O
When
we
I
guess
the
cul-de-sac
was
changed
to
no
parking
I,
don't
know
if
that
increased
or
decreased
the
parking
I.
Just
remember
we
used
to
drive
in
at
Christmas
time
and
they
had
all
the
big
postcards
there
that
the
local
businesses
would
sponsor.
That's,
probably
not
the
only
the
parent
any
longer.
So
you
know
in
since
1972
I,
don't
believe,
there's
been
too
many
accidents
of
kids
being
run
over
in
the
park.
O
Obviously
that
would
be
a
concern
of
mine,
but
I
don't
think
it's
really
happening.
Additionally,
you
know
I'm
afraid,
with
this
parking
ban
and
then
issuing
tickets,
it's
a
open,
a
door
to
a
slippery
slope.
For
next
thing
you
know:
there'll
be
a
meter
there.
You
have
to
put
a
ticket
on
your
car
to
park
like
Santa
belt.
When
you
go
down
to
the
beach
to
Sanibel,
so
I
would
be
afraid
of
you
know
additional
regulation
that
way
the
guitar
army
is
great.
It's
it's
a
obviously
loose-knit
organization.
O
So
it's
not
really
even
an
organization
group
and
we
have
fun
playing
and
I
think
that
I
have
friends
that
come
down
from
Sarasota
and
Tampa.
Just
just
for
this,
you
know
just
a
jam
a
little
bit
and
listen
so
to
somehow
stifle
that
I
think
would
be
detrimental
to
the
whole
community
here,
and
you
know
I'd
like
to
see
somehow
that
incorporated
I.
Don't
really
think
that
people
parking
on
the
grass
is
going
to
kill
the
grass
that
much,
although
I
I
do
admit
that
could
be
divots.
O
A
P
Thank
you
for
paying
attention
to
that,
there's
also
a
PowerPoint.
This
got
some
some
photographs,
you
see
in
the
in
the
90s,
we
had
a
vibrant
scene
that
was
attended
by
hundreds
of
people
we
parked
on
the
grass.
There
was
very
little
problem.
Nobody
was
run
over.
This
is
a
proposal
that
I
have
for
parking
on
the
grass.
P
This
is
one
of
the
nights.
This
is
before
9
o'clock,
and
so
when
people
say
that
that
habits
have
changed,
this
is
the
park
at
night.
This
is
before
9
o'clock
on
a
Thursday
night,
when
there
used
to
be
hundreds
of
people
here
now
it's
an
empty,
beautiful
place.
It's
a
hauntingly
beautiful
place
because
the
music
has
been
taken
away,
not
that
it's
not
ever
going
to
be
there
there's
going
to
be
a
hearty
few
that
will
continue
in
the
gazebo,
but
I
was
there.
P
This
was
before
this
was
around
6:30
the
other
evening
and
I
got
there
and
I'm
parked
in
front
of
Bill
Crosland
a
house.
He
happens
to
be
in
rehab,
so
I
knew
it
wasn't
impacting
him
and
there
were
a
few
people
in
in
each
of
the
gazebos,
but
there
was
not
a
single
parking
place.
I
couldn't
find
a
legal
parking
place
and
so
I
parked
across
the
street
from
the
park.
P
There
were
people
that
were
parking
down
into
the
into
the
neighborhoods
and
impacting
the
neighborhoods
one
of
the
things
that
the
gathering
at
the
park
has
done
and
has
allowed
over
time
is
that,
because
there
was
parking
in
on
the
grass,
there
wasn't
the
same
overflow
into
the
neighborhood.
It
did
not
negatively
impact
the
neighborhood.
So
the
folks
that
are
concerned
about
impact
upon
the
neighborhood
I
understand
that
the
you
know,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
resistance
to
the
parking
on
the
grass
is
because
they
don't
want
the
pickleball
people
in
there.
I
hope.
P
Q
I
just
thought
of
something
that
just
came
to
me.
You
know
we
keep
looking
for
business
and
young
people
love
music
and
they
love
learning
music
from
musicians
that
have
been
around
for
a
while.
So
why
don't
we
cash
in
on
that
idea
as
something
to
bring
business
to
this
community
and
utilize
the
Army
to
advertise?
Q
A
C
A
R
R
We
sometimes
have
we're
inhibited
because
of
the
sunshine
laws
that
we
can't
talk
them
out
on
ourselves,
a
lot
except
when
we're
in
this
forum-
and
it
occurs
to
me
that
sometimes
we
tend
to
talk
about
issues
within
our
city
in
piecemeal
manners
and
so
I
just
want
to
just
take
a
little
time
to
express
my
feelings
that
I
think
that
we
could
serve
ourselves
and
our
community
much
better
if
we
could
get
a
little
bit
more
holistic.
So
I'm
just
going
to
be
throwing
some
things
out
here.
R
We're
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion.
We
had
a
very
spirited
discussion,
Monday
night,
all
of
us
were
attending
to
it
and
it's
I
think
obvious
that
we
are
at
a
crossroads,
we're
in
the
process
of
branding
we're
trying
to
associate
who
we
are,
how
we
want
to
go
with
various
groups
of
our
community.
So
we
really
only
have
three
choices
we
can
grow.
We
can
be
like
North
Portland,
just
mushroom.
R
We
could
evolve
into
something
that
we
want
in
a
more
orderly
manner
or
we
can
just
stay
where
we
are
change.
Absolutely
nothing,
but
even
if
we
stay
where
we
are
I
find
that
we
have
the
people
that
say
that
we
want
nothing
to
change,
but
they
really
do.
They
want
lots
of
other
accoutrements
to
be
added.
Every
decision
that
we
do
has
a
cost.
You
must
pay
for
everything
in
this
world
one
way
or
another.
There's
nothing
free,
except
the
grace
of
God.
You
cannot
earn
that
or
deserve
it.
R
R
That's
the
difficult
part,
that's
the
part
where
we
seem
to
be
when
we
start
to
talk
about
these
issues.
We
get
contentious
among
ourselves
and
that
really
is
discerning
to
me.
We
can
disagree.
We
can
get
what
we
want
in
some
ways
and
some
other
ways.
We
need
to
learn
to
compromise
a
little
bit,
but
we
need
to
start
defining
and
with
the
branding
process
and
so
forth.
That's
really
what
that
process
is
about
is
to
find
out
where
we
want
to
be.
R
When
we
get
to
that
point,
then
we
can
be
serious
on
how
we
will
get
there
with
a
strategic
plan.
Keep
it
in
mind.
Strategic
plans
are
living
organs
in
a
way,
they're
never
static,
because
things
change.
This
isn't
the
community
that
it
was
in
2003,
because
Charlie
made
a
big
difference.
This
isn't
the
community
that
it
was
in
2006,
because
the
stock
market
crash
of
2008
made
a
big
difference.
This
isn't
the
community
that
it
was
just
in
2010.
R
R
So
we've
expressed
these
these
desires
for
the
assessments
and
places
like
Market,
Market,
Center
Park,
that's
been
a
big
discussion,
the
bird
section
Park
there's
a
nice
little
try.
Your
piece
and
councilmember
Matthews
had
expressed
an
interest
in
us
purchasing
that
at
one
time,
I
think
I
was
pretty
quick
to
say
that
it
was
at
that
moment
was
imprudent
for
us
to
do?
I,
don't
take
that
back,
but
the
property
has
come
down
in
value
and
as
I
think
about
what
goes
on
first
section.
R
There
might
be
something
that
we
do
want
to
open
up
for
a
non
contentious
discussion
to
see
if
it's
something
that
we
could
do
for
that
neighborhood,
because
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
building
going
on
in
the
bird
section.
That's
the
one
area
in
the
PGI
area
that
has
the
most
potential
for
additional
residential
development
and
it
might
be
a
neighborhood
that
would
appreciate
a
park,
but
it
comes
at
cost,
and
we
just
have
to
be
aware
of
that
and
then
see
what
we
can
do
to
work
together.
R
R
In
some
way,
value
can
be
in
terms
of
money,
but
it
can
also
be
in
terms
of
the
accouterments
and
the
lifestyle
that
it
lends
to
us
and
there's
also
iPods
a
park
in
here,
because
we're
already
committed
to
it
and
the
while
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center,
which
is
more
than
just
a
a
bird
center
by
the
way
in
case.
Anybody
missed
that
earlier.
R
R
But
the
the
major
plan
when
we
saw
the
price
ticket
it
was
a
little
bit
more
than
we
want
to
be
able
to
afford
out
of
our
pocketbook
or
we
could
so
we
we
passed
on
there,
but
then
there's
some
things
that
we
probably
we
really
do
need.
What
is
is
that
we
have
an
ad,
a
plan
that
we
have
to
take
completion
and
we
pick
away
at
it
because
that's
all
we
really
have
to
do
legally
folks
were
an
old
community.
R
Maybe
we
should
that
should
be
more
of
a
priority,
just
saying
that
that
should
be
part
of
the
construction
deconstruction
I'm
concerned
about
having
a
healthy
operating
reserve.
We've
discussed
that
we
have
a
below
standard
operating
reserve
in
our
community.
I
would
make
a
case
that
it's
even
less
healthy
than
we
say
it
is
yeah,
because
our.
R
R
R
R
Have
an
unfunded
pension
liability
of
eleven
and
a
half
million
dollars.
So
now
that's
not
something
to
panic
about,
because
everybody's
not
gonna,
retire,
one
time
and
so
forth,
but
it's
still
something
that
potentially
we
need
to
deal
with
in
the
future.
So
as
we
make
our
decisions
to
talk
about
what
we
want
to
do
in
the
community
and
so
forth,
these
should
I'm
just
saying,
as
these
things
should
always
be
in
the
back
of
our
mind.
R
So
we
have
requirements
to
make
what
is
sufficient
funding
when
we
want
to
acquire
an
asset
or
develop
an
asset.
We
need
to
have
a
reasonable
purchase
price
for
that
asset,
a
development
funding
for
the
proper
development
of
that
asset,
and
then
once
we
develop
the
asset,
we
got
to
remember
that
there's
also
going
to
be
an
ongoing
maintenance
to
them.
R
R
The
average
age
in
Punta
Gorda
is
sixty
six
point:
three
we're
not
a
young
young
community
for
the
county.
It's
fifty
four
and
a
half
right
around
fifty
four
and
a
half
percent,
which
means
that
we're
even
greater
in
Punta
Gorda
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
county
and
when
you
compare
the
county
that
we
live
in
Charlotte
County
to
the
rest
of
the
United
States,
with
the
second
oldest
averaged
County
in
the
United
States.
R
R
Put
this
up
as
an
illustration
of
what
our
tax
bill
comparison
is
for
two
particular
properties,
one
in
Punta,
Gorda
and
one
in
Deep
Creek,
and
what
they
pay
in
total
taxes
for
that
property
to
try
to
make,
as
close
as
we
can
as
an
apple,
an
apple
with
us
versus
living
in
the
county,
and
what
becomes
very
apparent
is
is
that
we
pay
lower
tax
rate
for
the
value
of
our
property
than
they
do
in
Charlotte,
County
for
the
same
goods
and
services.
This
is
partner.
R
This
graph
shows
what
our
military
has
been
through
the
years.
It
hasn't
really
fluctuated
very
much.
We
were
running
under
three
for
a
while,
and
then
we
had
a
little
blip
and
then
we've
come
down.
We
haven't
had
a
tax
millage
adjustment
when
we've
gone
through
our
budget,
for
this
will
be
the
fifth
year
now.
R
R
R
We
would
have
a
maintenance,
ongoing
maintenance
cost
of
about
1.3
million
per
year
to
maintain
the
assets
once
we
develop
them.
We
don't
want
to
develop
them
with
with
just
weeds
if
we're
going
to
develop
something,
we
want
to
have
something
that's
appropriate
for
our
community
and
then
we
also
have,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
We
have
the
11
and
a
half
million
dollar
unfunded
pension
liability
that
we
have
to
deal
with
so
I'm
back
to
our
points
of
conversation
is:
where
are
we
now?
Where
do
we
want
to
be,
and
how
will
we
get
there?
R
We're
having
a
lot
of
discussions
I
think
properly
to
define
where
we
are
now
I?
Don't
think
we
know
where
we
want
to
be
yet
I
think
we're
working
on
that,
but
I
think
we
need
to,
and
then
we
get
that
we
can
that's
when
how
we
can
get
there
I,
don't
if
we
do
this
right.
If
we
can
come
up
with
the
calculus
among
ourselves
and
our
community
with
the
community
input,
we
can
have
the
accouterments
that
we
want
over
time.
R
We
can
be
enthusiastic
about
approaching
those
accouterments,
because
we
know
we're
gonna
get
there
and
we
know
how
we're
gonna
get
there,
but
we
have
to
make
some
tough
decisions
before
we
can
even
start
start
down
that
path
and
I.
The
poll
purpose
that
I've
asked
for
this
time
to
take
up
your
time
here
is
to
emphasize
as
a
community
as
a
staff
and
as
a
council.
R
If
we
think
in
a
more
holistic
manner,
we
can
develop
the
calculus
that
to
take
care
that
will
more
take
care
of
when
we
have
to
do
one
thing
and
it
has
an
effect
in
another
area
where
that
may
be.
If
we
get
more
building
we're
going
to
need
more
police,
if
we
get
more
police,
we're
going
to
need
more
fire
and
so
forth,
those
are
also
issues
that
we'll
be
taking.
Infrastructure
is
something
that
we
talk
about
again
in
piecemeal,
although
we
do
have
kea
star
on
a
sometime
in
the
future
list.
R
I
think
that's
probably
infrastructure
wise
from
my
perspective,
one
of
our
most
difficult
challenges
in
the
near
future.
Getting
to
my
house
down
Olympian
Marion,
not
so
much
some
parts
of
it
I
almost
seemed
like
an
Autobahn,
particularly
in
the
summer,
and
fortunately
the
our
Police
Department
doesn't
hold
me
to
the
30
miles
an
hour.
R
E
R
It's
a
it's
a
beautiful,
it
fits
into
the
architecture,
the
architecture
and
the
ambiance
of
it
fits
into
the
into
the
Colorado
theme.
If
you
will
it's
just
a
fun
place
to
go,
it's
a
it's
a
place
that
has
a
guitar
army
type
atmosphere.
You
have
the
carnival
atmosphere,
you've
got
the
shops,
you
got
the
great
restaurants
and
it
is
multi-use.
R
You
have
you
have
commercial
there.
You
know,
retail,
you
have
commercial
and
you
also
have
residential
going
along
and
there's
certain
parts
of
it,
although
they
don't
shown
here
where
they
are
set
back
and
teared
similar
to
some
ways.
We've
talking
now
we're
not
Boulder
Boulder
Colorado
we're
not
Colorado,
we
don't
have
mountains,
okay,
but
we
can
have
other
themes.
R
We
can
have
something
similar
to
this,
where
we
might
having
old
and
just
is
just
throwing
this
out
where
it
might
have
an
old,
Florida
theme
and
so
forth,
and
the
idea
would
be
is
for
us,
as
a
community
and
as
a
consul,
to
work
to
develop
the
coding
and
the
infrastructure
that
we
need
to
get
to
be
able
to
direct
where
we
like
our
community
to
go.
I
need
to
backtrack
because
I
forgot
one
of
the
biggest
points
I
wanted
to
make.
R
R
A
Who's
gonna
start
I.
Guess
I
can
okay.
So
when
you're
saying
change
change
codes,
I
mean
do
you
have
anything
specific
in
line,
because
the
places
that
you
showed
I
mean
I
think
are
and
we
we
had
a
conversation
about
bringing
back
Main,
Street,
Punta,
Gorda
and
really
Main
Street
Punta
Gorda
was
too
infill
existing
buildings
kind
of
what
you
you
show
like.
Most
of
the
Main
Street
cities
in
Florida
have
a
lot
of
vacant
buildings
that
they're
trying
to
gentrify
or
whatever,
to
bring
it
back
to
a
more
modernized
people.
A
A
R
I
point
I:
don't
have
anything
concrete
right
now.
What
I
have
is
is
what
concerns
me
is
the
contentiousness
that
we've
developed
the
giving
example.
Okay,
we
were
all
there
Monday
and
we
heard
84
feet
84
feet,
84
feet,
I'm,
the
one
that
threw
it
out
there
I
threw
it
out
there
merely
because
we
were
having
discussion
of
five
storeys
six
storeys
seven
storeys
I
did
a
little
calculation
and
said
for
seven
storeys.
You
needed
84
feet.
R
I
threw
it
out
there
as
a
point
of
conversation
and
said
at
the
same
time
I'm
negotiable,
but
it
got
traction
as
if
it
was
something
that
we
had
already
passed.
I'm
just
trying
to
say
is
that
what
we
need
to
do
when
we
have
our
discussions,
both
as
a
community
as
a
staff
and
as
a
body,
you
know
when
we
say
things,
listen
to
them
in
their
context
and
let's
develop
a
calculus
I,
don't
know
what
the
height
should
be
downtown.
R
It
might
not
only
need
to
be
four,
but
if
we're
gonna
have
this
kind
of
din,
when
we
discuss
any
developers,
gonna
walk
right
past
he's
not
gonna
want
to
have
to
deal
with
that.
There
is
a
developer
I'm,
not
sure
that
all
of
us
met
with
him,
but
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
because
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
among
each
other
I
know:
Howard
has
met
with
them.
Who
does
have
a
similar
vision
that
it
could
be
a
public?
What
for
mark?
R
The
center
could
be
a
ideal
place
for
public-private
partnership,
where
you
know
a
person
would
develop
retail
and
then
we
would
have
a
beautiful
big
commons
area.
This
individual
has
the
idea
of
a
tent
over
that
common
area.
You
know
that
would
be
the
the
public
part
of
it
where
we
could
have
acts
and
events
come
year-round.
You
know
that
you
wouldn't
have
to
worry
about
the
afternoon
thunderstorm.
You
could
still
have
your.
You
know
these
festivals
cuz.
That
area
certainly
has
done
well
with
festivals.
We
could
just
formalize
it.
R
We
could
make
it
a
draw,
maybe
even
draw
larger
ads,
and
that
would
certainly
do
a
bit.
Well,
but
in
the
summer
of
keeping
the
downtown
area
vibrant
again,
my
concern
is:
is
that
we
just
get
so
contentious
and
so
emotional.
In
my
tradition,
there's
a
old
saying,
businesses,
business
and
Moses
as
Moses,
and
we
forget
about
the
business
and
we
start
talking
about
the
Moses
right
out
the
gate
we
get.
R
It
would
get
emotional
and
not
get
down
to
what
the
real
goal
from
my
perspective
is,
is
for
us
to
find
that
path
that
involves
compromise,
get
the
emotion
out
of
it
and
so
that
we
can
develop
those
areas
that
have
not
come
back
from
Charlie.
Our
commercial
tax
base
has
decreased
twenty
percent
since
Charlie
and
that's
not
taken
into
account
any
appreciation.
That's
just
a
raw
number.
We
get
twenty
percent
less
tax
dollars
from
commercial
properties
right
now
than
we
did
prior
to
Charlie.
So
that
just
says
the
businesses
haven't
come
back.
A
I
think
part
of
it
too,
when
you-
and
some
of
you
may
have
had
this
conversation-
is
that
we're
a
victim
of
our
own
demographic,
really
I
mean
look
at
the
new
buildings
that
have
been
built
on
41.
We
have
an
O'reilly
Auto
Parts.
We
have
a
Dollar
General,
where
we
had
an
application
for
a
Waffle
House,
that's
not
there
yet,
and
a
Chase
Bank
I
mean
those
are
the
businesses
that
see
us.
As
their
demographic
I
mean
somebody
told
me,
the
highest-grossing
restaurant
in
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
the
goin
crowd.