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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 05-02-18 Part 3
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D
G
We're
doing
a
great
job
on
the
water
plan,
for
example,
that's
a
fort
of
thirty
five
to
forty
million
dollar
project
and
it's
it's
going
very
well
same
thing
with
getting
our
new
garbage
cans
and
yeah
garbage
trucks.
I
think
that
that
that's
one
thing
that
we
can
do
well
when
we
don't
have
the
constraints
of
another
governmental
body.
G
C
A
A
We've
done
appraisals
on
both
of
these
he's
asking
that
we
prepare
and
execute
a
contract
for
purchase
before
June
30th
of
this
year.
That
doesn't
mean
we
close
it's
just.
We
execute
the
purchase
contract
we
close
and
provide
all
the
dollars
and
the
conveyance
within
60
days
of
receipt
of
the
permit
that
our
engineering
consultant
of
the
city
will
receive.
A
A
The
city
will
do
the
survey
for
the
five
point.
Eight
six
acre
parcel
that
he
currently
owns.
We've
done
surveys
before
this
contract
for
purchase
will
expire
12
months
after
the
date
of
execution,
so
essentially
June
30th
of
2019,
which
on
the
surface
we
should
know
by
the
Corps
within
that
timeframe,
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
get
a
permit
and
I
see.
Our
engineering
consultant
is
nodding
his
head.
Yes,.
A
If
we
don't
do
something
by
June
30th
of
this
year,
the
offer
is
null
and
void
again.
This
is
just
a
proposal
and
that
the
city
will
agree
to
construct
docks
to
the
construction
of
docks
on
the
remainder
of
the
parcel
that
the
property
owner
owns
and
ensure
that
they
cut
through
will
not
impair
any
ingress
or
egress
to
the
docks
staff
has
evaluated
the
proposal
and
just
to
start,
if
you
want
staffs
opinion
on
some
of
these
things,
the
400,000
is
not
out
of
line
with
our
appraisal.
A
It's
basically
what
was
the
offer
unsolicited
offer
and
not
in
written
any
written
form
a
couple
years
ago
to
the
engineering
consultant,
it's
actually
when
the
offer
was
made
a
few
years
ago,
we
weren't
the
the
thought
process.
Was
we
weren't
going
to
be
taking
as
many
acres
as
we
are
now,
but
it's
within
reason.
It's
within
reason
the
conveyance
of
the
non
waterfront
parce
on
Taylor
Road.
We
talked
about
that
a
while
ago,
and
we
did
an
appraisal
on
that
and
that
appraisal
came
in
around
$40,000
if
I'm
not
mistaken,.
A
A
A
And
then
the
docs
well,
the
code
will
dictate
how
many
docs
and
and
and
the
code
already
establishes,
how
much
docs
you
can
put
on
a
particular
piece
of
property.
So
to
us
I
mean
if
the
code
allows
a
certain
number
of
Doc's
to
be
put
on
that
property.
I,
don't
see
why
it
wouldn't
I
bet,
but
for
us
to
go
ahead
and
agree
to
it
beforehand.
I
mean
as
far
as
we're
concerned
of
staff.
It's
a
code
will
dictate
what
could
be
done
there,
but
again,
that's
a
discussion.
We
can
have
so
again.
B
A
C
B
We
just
had
the
property,
knowing
that
we
had
uplands
a
very
small
amount
of
uplands,
mostly
mangroves
and
then
portion
of
the
canal,
and
even
that
portion
of
the
canal.
It's
indeterminate,
whether
that's
a
drainage
easement
through
there,
whether
it's
a
few
simple,
open,
bottom
land
I
know
it's
not
sovereign
state
lands.
But
at
that
point
in
time
that
wasn't
an
acreage
calculation
that
we
did.
B
The
last
go-around
with
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
was
twofold.
They
requested
that
we
did
a
cultural
resource
assessment
survey,
basically
an
archeological
survey
of
the
site,
because
we
have
some
other
sites
in
the
immediate
area
that
have
some
cultural
resources
that
have
been
identified.
So
we
needed
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
have
anything
in
this
particular
site
of
which
we
did
come
up
clean.
That's
been
submitted
to
the
Corps
who's
now
coordinating
with
their
commenting
agencies
on
the
resource
survey.
I
don't
expect
that
to
be
Natick
in
any
respect.
B
The
other
thing
that
we
had
to
do
was
to
go
and
do
a
third
version
of
our
alternatives.
Analysis.
We
currently
have
the
National
fishery
service,
essential
fish,
habitat
folks,
commenting
on
the
proposed
alignment
and
and
they're,
in
my
opinion,
relatively
narrow
viewpoint
there.
Our
principle
goal
is
to
minimize
or
reduce
impacts
to
resources
that
are
considered
to
be
essential
fish
habitats
mangroves.
So
we
received
from
national
fishery
service
through
the
Corps
of
Engineers
a
proposed
alternative
alignment
within
the
Macqueen
parcel,
as
well
as
requested
that
we
go
through
and
explain
in
greater
detail.
B
The
current
permit
application
alignment,
which
is
kind
of
a
morph
of
alternative
six,
which
was
part
of
the
alternatives
assessment
that
we
presented
to
City
Council
and
that
that
morphed
alignment
that
we
had
submitted
for
permitting
was
a
result
of
numerous
inputs
regarding
trying
to
protect
resources.
Trying
to
minimize
cost
trying
to
address
navigational
concerns
of
90-degree
turns
just
this
balancing
act
of
trying
to
come
up
with
something
where
not
everybody
is
going
to
be
happy,
but
it's
a
compromise
that
is
the
best
of
the
compromises
that
we
could
come
up
with.
B
So
we
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel,
and
so,
if
we
get
a
sign-off
from
nationally
and
fishery
service,
that
says,
ok
you're
good
to
go
or
they
may
ask
us
to
tweak
it
somehow.
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
be.
But
those
are
the
last
two
steps
is
getting
national
fishery
service
to
sign
off
on
it
and
getting
the
cultural
resource
assessment
survey
approved
and
then
the
last
item
which
I
received
just
this
week
was
from
US
Fish
and
Wildlife
Service
on
issues
related
to
manatees
in
Florida
bonneted.
B
That
was,
would
we
be
willing
to
accept
conditions
of
construction
that
protected,
mostly
manatees
and
and
because
we
didn't
find
any
resources
that
would
support
the
Florida
bonneted
bat?
We
really
didn't
have
anything
that
came
in
on
the
construction
end
and,
of
course,
we
had
already
agreed
to
accept
those
conditions
when
we
first
submitted
the
application
saying
that
we
would
hear
to
all
manatee
protection
measures,
so
we've
responded
affirmatively,
yes,
not
if
not
a
problem
to
accept
those
and
that's
where
we
are
today.
Okay,.
B
It's
going
to
be
a
resource
impact
issue
and
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
with
masculine
fishery
service
is
that
they
look
at
what
the
impact
is,
but
they
don't
necessarily
balance
what's
been
created
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
for
central
fish
habitat
is
at
this
point.
If
you
look
at
the
property,
you've
got
the
shoreline,
that's
on
the
Punta,
Gorda
Isle
side
of
the
property,
and
you
have
the
shoreline.
That's
on
the
CH
canal
side
and
those
are
the
only
two
access
points
for
essential
fish
to
get
into
the
mangrove
system.
B
When
we
create
the
through
channel,
we
will
actually
be
adding
an
additional
doorway
into
the
upland
area
that
is
going
to
be
excavated
and
the
amount
of
linear
footage
of
access
and
improve
flushing
into
the
mangrove
system
is
significant
and
I'm
we're
working
to
try
to
get
National
Fisheries
Service
to
recognize
that
beyond
just
their
very
narrow
view.
Okay,.
D
Going
forward
so
I
think
that
we
should
I
just
think
we
should
like
the
counteroffer
should
probably
make
18
months
rather
than
12
months,
and
that
when
it
comes
to
the
docs
we
say
the
words
Ducks,
but
understanding
that
you
know
if
they
meet
code.
I
I
think
ultimately,
I
mean
wishers
about
this
project
and
we
want
to
see
it
forward.
Why
I
brought
up
before
you
know,
withdrawn
thing
about
the
dependent
district.
D
I
didn't
know
that
we
were
using
them
only
because
we
weren't
using
the
full
capacity
things
like
this
and
symbol,
the
purchase
of
this
land
and
future
engineering.
These
are
the
kind
of
things
that
the
district
can
actually
float
a
bond
for
and
to
pay
for
and
be
reimbursed,
and
so
part
of
I'm.
Just
talking
about
from
our
fiscal
management
standpoint.
Also
thinking
about
when
doing
this,
we
can
do
it
in
the
way
that
we
can
amortize
the
assessments.
D
G
G
There's
also
other
levels
that
are
involved
in
this
project
that
right
now
we're
just
addressing
the
acquisition
of
the
land.
We've
heard
our
most
recent
report
from
from
Hans
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
then,
once
we
acquire
the
land
and
then
we
have
to
start
acquiring
and
we're
going
to
do
the
project,
there's
all
these
other
layers
and
there's
also
lots
of
discussion
and
how
to
deal
with
all
those
other
layers.
It
might
behoove
us
to
seriously
consider
an
independent
district.
G
C
E
E
E
In
my
opinion,
this
is
not
a
large
project.
This
is
only
a
one
and
a
half
to
two
million
dollar
project.
We
do
not
need
an
independent
board.
We
have
structure
in
place.
We
can
get
just
as
good
a
deal
going
through
the
city.
It's
let's
not
overcomplicate
this.
We
have
everything
in
place
today
to
manage
this
project.
The
bird
storehouse
undergrounding
is
going
to
be
a
magnitude
of
probably
at
least
four
or
five
six
times
as
costly
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
you're.
Keeping
it
simple
is:
let's
continue
down
where
we
we've
done.
E
A
E
D
F
Agree
with
Nancy
there
is
absolutely
no
need
to
set
up
a
special,
permitting
district
or
special
taxing
district
for
this.
It's
already
been
voted
on.
It's
already
been
agreed
upon
by
this
council
and
the
previous
council
that
we
have
an
assessment
area.
We
have
outlined
the
methodology
that
will
be
used
to
build
this
area.
F
It's
a
one
and
done
thing
it's
over
with
as
soon
as
it's
put
through
and
it
becomes
part
of
the
canal
maintenance
assessment
project
and
it
goes
into
the
canal
maintenance
funds
from
that
point
forward,
just
as
all
the
other
inlets
in
PGI
and
BSI
are
handled
they're
handled
through
the
canal
maintenance
assessment
program.
So
there's
absolutely
no
reason
to
have
a
separate
taxing
district.
The
people
in
my
district
do
not
want
it.
They're
not
only
upset
about
it.
They're
livid
about
it,
so
I
would
highly
recommend.
We
don't
go
that
route.
F
Having
said
that,
I
have
a
possible
compromise
with
part
of
this
proposal,
and
it's
just
I'll
throw
it
out
there
I
always
like
to
try
to
offer
a
compromise.
Mr.
Macqueen
seems
to
think
he
wants
that
piece
of
property
on
Taylor
Road
and
he
wants
us
to
give
it
to
him
either
way
what
if
we
were
to
offer
him
$40,000
as
a
down
payment
for
the
purchase
of
his
land,
which
equates
to
the
value
of
the
Taylor
Road
property,
and
we
don't
agree
to
that
term
on
his
contract,
everything's
negotiable.
F
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
everything
in
this
document
is
negotiable.
I
mean
we
already
know
that
we
were
planning
on
paying
$400,000
or
there
abouts
for
the
property
that
we're
buying
and
add
another
40,000
for
the
other
property.
So
what
if
we
were
to
say
we'll
give
you
$40,000
at
the
signing
of
this
document,
and
that
gives
him
his
forty
thousand
dollar
value
of
the
taylor,
road
property
and
we'll
still
agree
to
convey
it
as
when
the
contract
is
done
when
we,
when
we
close
on
the
final
deal.
F
If
he
wants
it
to
be
non-refundable,
then
maybe
that's
the
bullet
we
have
to
bite,
but
I
just
think
that
that
might
be
a
way
to
cut
that
part
of
it
off
at
the
pass
and
get
that
out
of
the
equation,
and
you
know
we
can
still
agree
to
give
it
to
them
at
the
end
when,
when
the
contract
is
closed
and
paid
off,
but
the
terms
are
just
they're
too
tight,
the
time
line
is
too
tight
and
and
giving
him
that
property
either
way
is
it's
just.
It
doesn't
even
make
sense.
F
C
That
you
both
feel
very
strongly
about
the
assessment
district,
but
in
defense
of
any
council
members.
Somebody
that
brings
something
to
the
agenda
should
not
be.
You
know
personally
attacked
for
it.
That's
our
job
to
look
at
things
and
discuss
and
to
come
up
with
solutions.
Maybe
it
wasn't
the
solution
for
this,
but
to
just
say,
oh
I
can't
believe
you're
doing
this,
and
why
are
you
doing
this
and
and
to
get
livid
about?
It
is
a
little
extreme
I.
C
Responses-
and
they
were,
they
were
mean-
I
mean
they
were
not
nice,
so
I
mean
we
should
all
be
civil,
and
we
should
all
if
somebody
brings
something
to
the
table
at
least
be
open
to
listening
to
the
discussion.
That
was
the
upsetting
part
about
the
responses,
some
of
the
responses
that
you
got.
That
really
turned
me
off,
but
we
didn't
it's
been
withdrawn
at
this
point
and
you
know
things
come
to
the
agenda
all
the
time
and
it's
our
job
to
listen
constructively
and
to
have
the
discussion
and
make
the
decision.
H
B
Think
it's
good
I
think.
The
reason
why
is
that
the
core
also
has
to
look
at
the
balance
of
all
of
the
aspects
of
the
project
where
National
Marine
fishery
service
can
be
very
narrowly
focused
on
resource
impacts?
The
Corps
of
Engineers
has
to
look
at
all
of
the
features
of
the
project
and
determine
cost-benefit,
so
I
think
we're
gonna
end
up.
I.
B
Think
I've
made
a
pretty
strong
case
for
what
we
have
submitted
and
I've
provided
a
lot
of
supporting
documentation
to
back
that
up,
yeah
and
so
far
I
haven't
had
the
Corps
of
Engineers
say
to
me.
Now
we
don't
like
this.
It's
been
more
of
the
Corps
of
Engineers,
saying
and
nationally
fishery
services.
Commenting
can
you
please
replied
back
there
kind
of
in
the
middle
trying
to
manage
that
does
communications,
how.
H
B
But
I
wouldn't
I,
wouldn't
see
that
as
a
problem,
because
the
DEP
permitted
that
fairly
quickly
I
think
they're
recognized
and
we
were
mitigating
for
all
our
impacts.
You
know
they
I
think
they
recognized.
It
was
a
good
design.
They
recognized
the
need,
they
understood.
The
water
quality
impacts,
the
resource
impacts
of
lessening
the
boating
activity
through
smugglers,
cut,
so
I
would
say
the
court
DEP
won't
be
an
issue.
If
we
have
to
modify
that
permit,
but
I
don't
see
what
are
the
alignment
we
would
pursue?
That
would
have
less
mangrove
impacts
and.
H
Absolutely
and
the
only
concern
that
I
would
have
is
if
we
had
to
tweak
the
DEP
permit
in
some
fashion,
even
though
we're
certain
that
the
DEP
would
issue
the
modification
that
opens
up
the
opportunity
to
challenge
too,
which
then
puts
at
risk
whatever
it
is
that
we've
presented
in
the
way
of
a
deposit.
That
may
be
not
refundable.
So.
H
You
were
to
accept
if
you
were
to
accept
the
the
term
that,
in
the
event
that
we
don't
close
for
any
reason,
he
still
gets
the
parcel
and
and
if
the
closing
is
contingent
upon
getting
you
know
the
permits,
there's
there
is
no
potential
that
somebody
could
challenge
the
DEP.
Permit
is
the
more
likely
challengeable
permit.
Corps
of
Engineers
permits
technically
can
be
challenged,
but
it's
not
that
easy.
H
At
the
end
of
the
day,
that
challenge
could
throw
off
our
ability
to
close
in
fashion
we
agreed
upon,
which
would
then
cause
us
to
have
to
give
up
the
property
and
not
get
the
benefit
of
our
bargain.
So
I
just
wanna
make
sure
we
have
all
those
buttonholes
closed
up
and
Sims
icons
understands
what
I'm
talking
about
what.
B
I
would
recommend,
if
possible
would
be
to
let
me
work
with
Howard
on
getting
back
with
the
McQueen's
on
fine-tuning
the
agreement,
so
that
we
take
into
account
those
timings
of
if
we
have
to
modify
the
DEP
permit
when
that
publication
comes
out
when
they
issue
their
final
permit
vacation
and
put
some
language
in
there.
That
covers
the
city
in
on
the
per
meeting
side
of
things.
B
H
By
way
of
whatever
advice,
I
can
give,
which
I
hope
this
isn't
delving
too
far
into
policy,
but
I've
had
clients
who
would
put
offers
in
on
real
property
and
we're
contingent
upon
something
happening.
Maybe
a
sale,
a
business
or
whatever
that
they
were
absolutely
certain
was
gonna
happen,
and
so
they
would
agree
to
a
non-refundable
deposit
for
whatever
reason
that
was
required
and
Murphy's
Law
would
say
that
whatever
was
that
they're
absolutely
certain
was
gonna,
happen
didn't
happen
and
they
end
up
giving
up
a
non-refundable
deposit.
H
So
if
there's
any
way,
we
can
negotiate
that
out
of
the
agreement,
that's
what
I
would
propose
to
do,
because
there
is
a
possibility
that
we
could
get
tripped
up
by
someone.
That's
gonna,
take
us
to
court
on
the
corporate
or
what-have-you
and
and
cause
us
to
lose
the
property,
and
so
we
need
I
would.
E
You
know
try
to
not
have
the
Taylor
Road
property
as
a
part
of
it
at
all.
I
would
too,
but
I
would
like
to
also
suggest
that
you
know
we
have
it.
Does
you
need
Howard
to
negotiate
on
other
things
in
the
past,
so
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
at
least
can
say
these
are
items
that
we
don't
prefer
and
then
what
Howard
do
is
best.
G
When
Lyndon
outlined
a
possible
compromise-
and
maybe
there
could
be
a
variation
of
that
compromise,
I
could
work.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
when
you
look
at
the
big
picture
of
what
this
project
is
and
if
you
just
took
a
number
that
this
project
was
a
three
billion
dollar
project,
the
cost
of
the
land
is
about
a
hundred
and
three
dollars
of
that
cost
of
project
at
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
The
increase
in
property
value
to
the
individual
properties
that
would
benefit
from
this
is
significantly
more
there's
a
big
ROI
for
everybody
here.
G
B
G
If
you
want
to
buy
Taylor,
you
go
violet
on
your
own
or
something
I'm,
just
throwing
stuff
out
that
we
should
use
that
as
a
way
to
get
all
these
contingencies
to
be
able
to
protect
the
city
at
the
same
time,
get
it
at
a
reasonable
property,
because
it's
not
we're
not
talking
dollars
here.
That
should
kill
a
project
like
this.
He.
A
F
F
A
A
F
C
Again,
some
misinformation
cuz,
some
of
the
responses
were
well.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
Well,
he
he
gave
us
their
offer.
That's
why
we're
doing
this
to
to
try
to
bring
some
resolution
into
moving
forward,
so
we
have,
you
know
shovel-ready,
if
possible,
when
we
do
get
the
permits.
Well,
we
do
want
to
make
it
happen.
E
C
C
D
D
All
right,
basically
basic
I,
guess
for
a
creative
part.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
just
say:
part
of
this
thinking
comes
from
I
think
a
necessity,
and
a
change
of
our
code
is
very
apparent
right
now,
especially
our
current
code.
Basically
well
I.
D
I
recently
attended
a
training
and
at
the
federal
economic
development
agency,
and
it
involved
preparing
a
city
not
only
for
natural
disasters
but
also
for
economic
disasters
to
include
like
economic
downturns
in
recessions.
This
agency's
primary
focus
deals
with
providing
cities
and
counties
with
grants.
The
hardened
infrastructure
area
in
economies
to
protect
against
future
uncertainties,
so
they
advised
us
all.
They
had
city
and
county
leaders
there
to
do
our
best
to
kind
of
rise
above
short-term
politics
and
really
truly
look
at.
D
What's
really
going
to
sustain
our
cities
and
provide
our
residents
with
a
quality
of
life
for
many
generations
to
come,
so
in
the
spirit
what
I'm
looking
at
wrote,
these
things
out
I
asked
to
be
consider
building
on
the
success
of
the
2005
citizens
master
plan,
which
did
create
a
very
comprehensive
vision
and
now
move
into
what
I
would
say
is
part
two
which
is
the
actual
implementation
of
the
division.
This
master
plan
provides
a
tremendous
body
of
data.
D
That
is
more
technical
views
than
existing
plan,
because
we
want
to
move
forward
with
this
in
this
plan
framework.
What
I'm
suggesting
is,
we
include
one
is
the
economic
analysis
of
what
business
sectors
are
best
suited
for
Punta
Gorda
ie,
an
updated,
a
2007
Chesapeake
study.
Also
what
level
of
commercial
activity
is
needed
downtown
to
create
a
critical
mass
there
by
stating
itself
next
the
rate
of
increase
of
residents
with
taxes
if
there
is
a
continuation
of
the
status
quo?
D
Next,
a
comparison
of
the
COS
master
plan,
aqua
and
the
and
the
business
workshop
conclusions
in
comparison
to
the
LD
ARS.
We
currently
have
a
series
of
renditions
of
cityscapes
based
on
congruence
with
these
conclusions
and
best
practices
in
urban
planning.
Concurrently,
when
this
is
going
on,
let's
say
if
these
people
were
doing
this,
we
then
should
have
a
citywide
campaign
to
create
more
public
participation
in
discussion
areas
once
the
renditions
are
completed.
D
What
I
mean
by
that
is
like
when
they
do
do
it
like
simple,
if
not
they'll,
have
several
different
versions
of
possibilities
based
on
best
practices
and
then,
though,
invited
citizens
in
and
they'll
be
just
robust
discussion
based
on
that
and
I
think.
The
order
of
this
is
important
that
we
actually
have
those
who
are
actually
licensed
in
the
field
to
provide
us
with
variations,
which
then
I'm
citizens
anticipate
in.
D
Secondly,
I
think,
with
this
increased
public
outreach,
we
need
to
include
respectives
or
more
elderly
people,
more
prisons,
disabilities,
more
families,
more
working
people
and
more
business
owners.
This
expanded
spear
public
discourse
can
then
be
provided
with
public
education,
symposia
on
best
practices
in
urban
design,
with
examples
from
other
cities
like
to
say
like
celebration,
that
even
things
you
know
other
cities
that
we
may
be
interested
in
next
after
this
public
education
period.
The
renditions
of
the
draft
LDR
should
then
be
ready.
At
this
time.
D
We
should
have
numerous
public
hearings
to
hear
all
voices,
especially
hopefully,
we
have
a
much
larger
base
of
public
to
talk
to
from
these
hearings,
then,
to
compile
the
citizens
input
into
one
data,
and
then
the
council,
when
they
consider
compilation
on
that,
and
the
point
of
me
saying
all
this
is
just
pretty
much
the
order
being
that
we
have
citizen
master
plan.
We
have
aqua,
we
can
have
a
business
workshop,
we
can
pile
those
then
we'd
have
whoever
Planning
Group.
Give
us
pretty
much
compare
those
with
the
LDRs
give
cooperate
their
perspectives.
D
While
they're
doing
this,
we
really
cultivate
our
public
much
much
more.
So
we
can
reach
a
lot
more
people
and
really
improve.
Also
have
public
education
regard
to
the
process,
because
sometimes
what
our
residents
say
they
want
may
not
be
best
practices
in
terms
of
urban
design
and
planning.
So
we
want
to
also
increase
the
knowledge
base
of
our
residents.
When
we
have
these
two
things
concurrently
done,
we
then
come
back
to
the
residence
with
this
new
picture.
D
Have
them
pretty
much,
give
their
very,
very
full
perspective
on
that,
and
then
we
can
then
compile
the
data
of
what
the
residents
one
and
what
expert
advice
is,
and
then
we
decide.
That's
that's
more
or
less
I'm
saying
that
we
make
a
much
more
technical
plan
than
we
were
visiting
rather
than
the
old
framework.
We
used
two
dozen
five,
so.
D
G
If
I'm
clear,
then,
basically
these
groups
then,
would
because
from
their
expertise,
would
put
out
alternatives
for
us
and
then
it
would
be.
We
might
have
six
different,
direct
six
different
roads
that
might
be
suggested
and
then
public
input
could
would
then
be
decided.
Whether
we
take
the
left
right
in
between
or
do
we
have
to
find
a
seven
throat.
Yes,.
D
And
that's
because
best
practices
I
think
need
to
guide
where
the
city
is
going
and
that
I
mean
you
wouldn't
have
a
bridge
design
just
by
citizen
input.
You
would
want
to
have
engineers
put
there
so
I'm
saying
that
they
would
give
us
choices
that
are
within
the
parameters.
What
we
say
one
I'm
saying
right
now:
we
have
so
much
data
from
decision
mashing
plan
from
the
Aqua
study,
and
if
we
can
have
a
business
workshop,
we
would
then
have
a
good
base,
which
then
people
can
then
create
possibilities.
D
Then,
during
this
middle
time
we
cultivate
our
population.
So
there
were
much
more
as
us
as
community,
much
more
knowledgeable
about
really
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work
in
cities
and
then
come
back
and
then
share
how
the
public
then
pretty
much
participate
in
this.
What
all
these
renditions
are,
and
so.
G
Then
so
then,
the
business
community
or
I
mean
this
whole
group
and
then,
when
the
cities
can
skinny
because,
like
from
Michael's
personal
concern
as
a
citizen
and
the
way,
our
coding
is
right
now
as
I'm
concerned
about
the
lack
of
architectural
Putra
Matt's
being
wealthy.
Terrible
to
me,
that's
more
important
that
we
get
sidetracked
as
case
by
the
way
I'm.
Just
for
the
record.
I
was
the
one
that
introduced
84
feet,
but
I
was
negotiable
about
it
right
out.
The
gate.
I
just
wanted
to
stir
a
conversation.
A
G
But
that
gets
to
the
point,
because
when
Mitchell
is
talking
to
us,
he's
been
talk
to
us
about
how
to
design
setbacks,
etc.
We
saw
those
in
the
pictures
that
I
from
Pearl
Street
that
I
included
in
our
conversation
the
other
day.
So
this
would
allow
us
to
really
get
some
if
I'm
understanding
you
right
to
get
a
base
to
work
from
and
then
bring
the
citizens
in
in
an
educated
way
with
all
of
us
together.
C
I
think
the
technical
aspect
is
important
too,
because,
like
when
we're
talking
about
these
buildings,
what
what's
going
in
them,
like
that's
the
whole
big
missing
piece
that
we
really
do
need
to
fill
out.
Some
of
those
answers
I
mean
it's
nice
to
have
the
pretty
pictures
and
the
drawings
and
the
you
know
the
canopies
and
the
balconies
and
the
there's
the
stuff.
But
what
what
is
it?
What's
going
on
inside
of
there
I
mean
I?
Think
we
really
need.
We
do
need
some
more
direction
on
that
end,
Nancy
I.
E
Think
what
you
are,
what
this
discussion
is
missing
is
what
happened
back
in
2005.
The
citizens
were
involved
and
and
Jaime
Correa
came
here,
and
there
were
a
weeklong
of
charettes
that
involved
the
business
community.
It
was
the
business
community
and
the
residential
community
that
came
together
and
formed
team
Finnick
order.
So
it
was
a
collaborative
experience.
E
D
E
So
I
feel
that
that
when
we,
as
we
said,
let's
update
the
citizens-
man,
your
plan,
that's
taking
this
and
going
on
and
fleshing
out
what
are
these
things
that
we're
missing?
What
a
you
know:
I
already
it's
like
preserving
the
historic
character.
This
community
is
vital,
and
so
what
is
it
going
to
take
to
preserve
that
historic
character?
We've
discovered
these
things
that
seem
to
be
like
you
suggested.
We've
also
talked
about
items.
Those
are
the
things
that
will
come
out
in
in
insurance
that
to
come.
E
That,
then,
would
be
a
technical
recommendation
based
on
because
you
know
when
Jaime
Correa
came
here
in
in
2009
in
spoke
to
the
citizens
or
the
team
point
Gorda
annual
meeting
he's
in
a
lot
of
technical
things
going
on
at
the
time.
Well,
now
it's
much
later,
you
know
so
I
think
that
you
know
I
think
we
should
proceed
the
way
we
discussed
and
if
we
need
to
do
it
with
economic
development
kind
of
piece.
Let's
talk
with
Lucien
piers,
because
that's
who
we
look
to
from
the
county
we
didn't.
E
E
And
and
in
my
opinion,
even
if
we
were
to
discover
through
economic
development
that
we
needed
to
have
a
ten
story,
building
downtown
to
accommodate
something,
we're
not
gonna,
do
that.
So
it's
you
know
there
are
certain
things
that
we
need
to
put
parameters
on,
because
we
want
to
preserve
right
and
I.
Think
those
are
the
things
too
that
will
come
out
in
and
well.
C
I
would
like
to
look
at
the
2007
just
to
get
a
flare
in
a
feel
for
what
exactly
the
content
that
you're
talking
about,
because
I
really
do
feel
like
it
could
add
something
and
if
we
don't
do
it
all
together,
and
we
do
one
over
here
and
we're
not
combining
like
you're
saying
with
the
the
research
that
we
already
have
and
the
groundwork
that
was
laid,
then
it's
not
gonna
be
as
comprehensive
enough
and
I
do
agree
with
you.
You
know
we
heard
at
that
meeting
that
you
know
they
don't
like
the
newest
building.
B
C
That's
our
code
and
it
the
only
thing
we
gave
them
was
a
height
variance
because
the
state
building
codes
have
changed
too,
since
the
wyvern
and
since
the
4-points-
and
so
you
know
our
code
has
stayed
the
same.
So
we
need
to
really
mesh
all
that
out,
but
I
think
the
public
education
would
be
would
be
key
and
I
would
like
to
look
at
the
Chesapeake
before
we
decide
anything.
But
I
do
think.
If
you
read
this
RFP,
it
was
pretty
loosey
goosey
back
in
2005
what
it
was.
E
What
the
residents
the
business
owners
when
they
got
together
and
they
put
something
together.
It
was
you
know,
Howard
and
I've
talked
about
this.
You
know
the
gut
and
it
was
discussed
Nancy
somebody
brought
it
out
earlier.
The
government
was
really
delivering
services,
they
were
cleaning
up,
trash
I
mean
really
provide
keeping
our
community
going.
So
look
you
know
trying
to
determine
what
are
we
going
to
look
like
when
we
were
when
we
were
back
together
again
was
the
least
of
their
concerns.
E
So
you
know
that
that
piece
of
it
there
was
considerable,
but
I
know
that
at
the
time
urban
the
urban
design
wanted
to
update
the
the
land
development
regulations,
and
so
they
used
the
output
of
this.
The
citizens
master
plan
to
enable
that
to
happen
and
like
we've,
we've
discovered
some
things,
don't
work
and-
and
we
know
all
along
we've
talked
about
for
years.
The
citizens
master
plan
needs
to
be
updated
and.
C
E
D
Basically,
what
what
this
master
plan
did
was
he
helped
us
survive?
It
helped
us,
as
a
city
survived
that
storm
and
now
we
need
to
move
to
thriving,
and
there
are
two
different
psychologies
like
someone
who's
who
surviving
and
someone
who's
living,
they're,
not
the
same
person
and
doesn't
saying
this
is
the
framework.
But
now
we
have
to
move
into
the
part
where
we
actually
now
have
to
think
very
specifically
technical
things
and,
like
I,
said
anything,
that's
technical,
which
is
building
a
bridge,
doing
an
ro
plant,
designing
a
city.
D
Actually,
it's
gonna
be
done
for
the
perf
use
of
best
practices
of
that
discipline
as
I'm
saying
that
that
it's
it
serves
our
citizens
so
much
better.
If
we
give
them
something,
that's
actually
viable
to
decide
on,
rather
than
just
having
us
come
up
with
ideas,
it's
like
I
could
think
of
how
to
do
brain
surgery.
I
could
have
ideas.
I
have
one
advise
a
surgeon,
but
I
would
rather
my
surgeon.
Not
let
me
advise
them
on
how
to
do
the
surgery.
I
rather
didn't
give
me
parameters
area.
These
are
three
choices
we
have.
D
These
are
going
to.
These
are
the
outcomes
of
each
one
and
I
think
in
the
same
way,
a
city
I
think
we
take
away
the
seriousness
of
the
discipline
of
planning,
architecture
and
engineering
and
how
serious
it
is
and
how
there
are
actual
workable
pieces
that
we
actually
also
increase
our
citizens.
Knowledge
of
what
those
working
pieces
are
then
making
it
more
intelligently
provide
input,
because,
right
now
our
citizens
don't
know
enough
about
urban
design
for
us
really.
They
have
I'm
saying
we're
at
the
point.
D
E
It
I
get
it
totally,
but
I
think
that
if
we
almost
use
Jaime
Correa
as
an
example,
if
he
were
to
return
here,
he
is
going
to
bring
best
practices
to
to
the
table.
That's
what
he
brought
to
the
table
back
in
2005
and
he
will
do
that
and
and
he
or
whoever
it
is,
will
do
that.
That's
what
we
put
in
and
the
part
of
the
the
RFP
I
mean
it's.
That's
the
expectation
that
we're
going
to
gather
so
I
think
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing.
C
G
Have
a
sense
that
you
actually
we're
all
on
the
same
level,
I
think
a
couple
things
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
continue
this
conversation
in
the
future.
Conversations
number
one
is
as
we're
talking
about
really
a
strategic
type
plan:
strategic
type
plans
when
implemented
correctly,
our
living
plants.
If
we,
if
we,
the
2005
study,
was
done
by
team,
Punta
Gorda
was
taken
to
heart
by
the
city,
but
really
wasn't
accepted
and
as
a
result
and
John
has
point,
is
well-taken.
G
G
So
we've
been
talking
here
about
the
city,
taking
the
leadership
role
in
in
these
issues,
so
as
if
we
continue
to
take
as
a
leadership
role,
we
need
to
go
down
this
path
together,
and
this
will
be
our
document
taking
input
from
the
various
groups
like
team
put
to
go
to,
god
bless
them
and
the
other
groups
that
want
to
come
forward
along
with
the
professionals
and
then
once
we
get
that
stirred
a
strategic.
It's
really
more
of
a
culture
than
it
is
a
document,
because
the
document
will
change.
G
G
So
we're
talking
now
and
eight
years
from
now
we're
gonna
have
a
larger
different
group
of
people
with
different
group
of
eyes,
and
and
some
of
them
will
have
similar
attitudes,
and
some
of
them
will
have
different
attitudes
etc,
and
that's
why
the
project
needs
to
be
continually
having
a
conversation
and
continually
be
evolving
in
concert
with
all
of
the
stakeholders
and
the
stakeholders
being
the
residents
of
the
various
different
neighborhoods.
You
know:
there's
the
bodhi
neighborhoods,
there's
the
non-voting
neighborhoods.
G
There's
the
businesses,
there's
the
the
the
government
staff,
there's,
the
educational
people
and
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
coming
in
to
it,
and
then
there's
also
our
surrounding
community
within
the
county
that
we
have
to
do
that.
We
have
to
be
conscious
enough
and
that's
why
we're
talking
about
Sunseeker
in
a
sense
that
we
need
to
take
leadership
for
ourselves
to
temper
in
the
adverse
effects
and,
if
there's
some
positive
effects
from
it,
such
as
increased
sales
taxes,
it'll,
be
coming.
G
Opportunity
here
for
any
lifestyle,
as
best
we
can
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
we
need
to
not
talk
about
finite
things.
This
is
something
that
needs
to
be
an
ongoing
conversation
that
continues
for
because
50
years
from
now
there's
going
to
be
some.
There
is
gonna,
be
people
up
here
talking
about
preserving
the
things
that
we
did
today
and
that's
gonna
be
our
legacy
as
a
community,
and
so
that's
that's
what
we
all
have
in
this
as
a
stakeholder,
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
and.
C
D
E
Whatever
you
want
to
call
it
design
elements
for
I
would
like
to
table
that
until
we
get
through
this
piece
so
that
then
it
becomes
a
part
of
something
that
we
can
all
embrace
whatever.
That
then
comes
to
be
because
I
think
at
this
point
it's
it's
maybe
a
piecemeal
approach,
so
I
think
it
would.
It
would
make
sense,
then
we
can
all
support
whatever
that
comes
out
to
be
because
it's
it's.
What
is
a
part
of
the
technical
plan
that
we
we've
come
up
with.
D
F
So
I
think
I
think
that
we
have
to
look
to
people
in
the
community
who
have
background
that
might
be
able
to
help
us
get
this
going
and,
and
we
have
to
start
someplace
so
rather
than
having
the
city
staff
have
to
take
that
whole
burden
on.
It
would
be
helpful
if
we
could
all
contribute
a
little
bit
to
it
and
and
have
a
document
that
goes
out
for
bid
that
that
really
represents
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
In
the
end,
results
well.
C
D
Do
ask
us
a
action
item
that
we
do
have
a
workshop
or
the
business,
but
only
because
we
talk
about
downtown
like
in
like
a
theoretical
way,
if
we
actually
have
people
actually
share
and
in
a
workshop
session,
so
they
would
not
feel
afraid
to
be
honest
that
we
would.
We
need
to
know
what
our
business
murmured
actually
isn't,
what
obstacles
they
have
I.
Think
it's
just
otherwise
we're
operating
the
dark.
I
think
that's
the
piece
we
have
master
plan,
the
Aqua.
D
The
piece
we
missing
is
those
people
that
we're
talking
around
and
around
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
that
piece.
I
think
at
that
point
it
can
shape
what
we
do
much
better,
because,
right
now
we
wait
like
I,
give
you
sample.
We
talk
about
this
there's
the
second
story
requirement
people
along
Marion
who
are
renting
from
a
commercial
space.
They
have
to
pay
rent
for
two
storeys,
but
our
probably
shion's
older
and
no
one's
gonna
use
it
because
they
can't
walk
up
the
stairs,
and
so
it's
one
of
those
things
where
it's.
D
It's
just
they're
there
and
I.
Think
that
that
again
we
need
to
be
worked
at
normal
with
this
we're.
Just
at
that
point
now
we
want
to
take
action
and
I
I.
Do
say
that
they're
reasons
why
our
state
has
licenses
for
licensed
professionals
is
because
there
is
expertise
that
comes
with
having
a
license
and
not
just
what
we're
assuming
so.
D
C
E
C
And
even
people
like
in
the
EDP
that
I've
talked
to
they
like
are
not
supposed
to
be
political,
so
they're
even
somewhat
hesitant
and
those
are
business
people
in
in
the
town.
So
sometimes
when
they're
in
those
other
groups,
it
gets
a
little
sticky
for
them.
So
I
did
have
a
couple
of
conversations
with
with
the
members
of
the
EDP
so
Gary
and
then
and
then
I
just.