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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 05-16-18 Part 4
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B
Hurricane
Charley,
to
be
honest,
what
we
call
a
st.
Charlie,
st.
Charlie,
brought
us
insurance
money
silly,
so
the
insurance
money
came
and
refreshed
all
that
was
left,
standing
and
and
in
after
our
code
change
those
people
other
people
for
but
I'm
saying
what
we
see
here
is
a
result
of
a
whole
lot
of
insurance
money
that
came
downtown
at
one
time.
C
C
D
Think
we're
talking
about
too
much
minutia
here
right
now
for
the
discussion
we
should
be
having
here
today.
What
I
hear
here
is
more
agreement
than
this
agreement.
I
think
that
all
of
us
agree
that
the
we
would
like
to
that
our
goal
is
to
preserve
the
historical
character
in
a
more
modern
tone,
because
it's
gonna
be
new
stuff
that
we're
hoping
will
be
come
in
here.
D
That's
the
ultimate
goal
here
is
how
to
get
there
and
we
need
a
consultant
to
help
us
develop
that
plan,
and
then
we
have
to
have
the
the
consistency
to
maintain
that
plan
and
evolve
that
plan
as
it
goes,
we
were
having
this
discussion
before
we
knew
Sunseeker
was
going
to
be
there.
Sunseeker
is
gonna,
be
there
that
has
aid
and
effect
depending
on
how
you
ask
the
question:
it
could
be
positive
or
negative,
depending
on
who
you
are
that's
not
our
job.
D
D
D
The
economy's
changes
and
and
the
world
changes,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
maintain
our
certain
flavor,
but
at
the
same
time
we
still
have
to
change
with
the
world.
So
I'm
going
to
share
one
quick
and
then
I'll
get
off
my
one
quick
story,
my
grandpa
may
he
rest
in
peace
was
a
farmer
in
southern
Illinois.
He
was
a
Dirt
Farmer.
He
was
a
very
humble
man.
D
I
went
to
school
60
miles
north
of
his
farm
and
I
used
to
love
visiting
with
him
in
the
weekends
and
I
was
of
drinking
age
at
the
time
and
was
sharing
a
little
bit
of
rye.
With
my
grandma
and
my
grandpa
said
to
me,
he
said:
Gary
I
really
feel
sorry
for
your
generation
and
I
said
grandpa.
What
are
you
talking
about?
What
you
feel
sorry
for
my
generation?
He
says
you
won't
get
to
see
the
change
in
the
world
that
I
got
to
see.
D
D
E
A
One
more
just
your
comment
about
the
insurance
money:
Joe
you're
right
Charlie
brought
about
a
lot
of
funds.
It
was
how
do
we
use
those
funds?
How
do
we
and
and
the
the
the
contribution
of
the
master
plan
help
actually
help
staff
guide
discussions
with
developers
on
the
redevelopment
they
were
going
to
actually
replace
the
old
building.
B
B
We
can't
not
acknowledge
that
our
citizens
have
actually
carried
the
community
where
we
see
and
I'm
saying
we're
afraid
of
information.
If
we
were
to
put
that
master
plan
with
the
aqua
study
with
the
business
people's
perspective.
Now
we
have
a
picture
because
right
now
we're
talking
about
the
plan
as
if
it
was
done
on
his
own
and
that
people
themselves
didn't
invest
capital
and
they
just
didn't
risk
it.
B
The
last
15
years,
because
we
don't
acknowledge
what
our
people
have
actually
contributed
to
the
city
to
keep
it
where
it
is,
then
our
whole
way
of
planning
is
there's
really
not
gonna
be
right.
We
have
to
acknowledge
everyone
who
made
the
city
what
it
is
right
now
and
there's
a
big
piece:
that's
missing
we're
not
acknowledging!
Then
we
work
like
we're
ducking
and
dodging
nitronic
knowledge,
and
we
need
to.
If
we
put
those
three
pieces
together,
then
I
think
we
have
something
to
work
with.
We
really
can
have
strategic
plan,
but
we
have.
B
I
mean
like
that
it
works
out,
for
that
part
is
simple.
Just
like
how
any
kind
of
standard
council
workshop,
if
you
can
ever
not
talk
to,
would
do
it
basically,
where
we
invite
people
to
speak,
to
provide
testimony
to
us
and
we
discuss
amongst
ourselves
and
that's
this
where
it
is
I,
think
it's
a
very
simple
process
but
I
think
without
doing
that,
we're
not
being
honest
and
when
I
say
like
it
like.
The
sign-off
is
a
very
good
example
of
someone
who
took
the
plan
seriously.
B
They
invested
all
the
money
built
it
exactly
the
way
the
plan
said,
and
they
were
rewarded
with
tremendous
loss
of
money
before
it
and
I'm
saying
we
actually
need
to
hear
people's
perspective
so
that
we
can
make
sure
our
pan
is
from
this
point
forward.
We
have
assembling
effective
this
good
for
our
people
as
well,
not
just
good
in
our
perception
of
ourselves
really.
C
From
what
I've
heard
with
the
change
in
the
building
codes
its
if
he
of
whether
that
building
could
be
built,
the
same
way
with
the
residential
as
far
as
being
on
the
ground,
I
mean
the
Spring
Hill
Suites,
you
know
they
weren't
able
to
put
up
the
the
the
gates.
I
mean
you
just
supposedly
you
can't
I
mean
I,
don't
know.
That's
a
building.
Official
question
is
that
allowable
now,
so
really
the
change
in
the
building
code
has
has
changed
and
that's
and
they
want.
B
To
comment
on
that,
that's
the
main
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
they
want
to
comment,
because
the
conversation
began
as
the
code
if
they
can
simply
share
their
perspectives
on
what
our
2005
codes
did
for
business?
We
would
then
have
some
guidance
on
where
we
need
the
place
in
terms
of
architecture,
and
things
like
that
and
I
think
that
we're
operating
in
ignorance
unless
we
involve
them
I
think.
E
B
The
order
of
it
is
very
important.
I
think,
before
doing
that
we
are
insulting
our
people
with
it.
We
don't
do
that
part
first.
Secondly,
again
I've
never
heard
of
a
process.
I've
been
around
a
lot
of
design
stuff.
Where
you
don't
have
an
expert
do
drawings
person,
then
you
comment
on
I've,
never
served
a
situation
where
you
have
people
just
throwing
stuff
in
the
air.
That's
just
not
how
it's
done
pretty
for
serious
about
doing
something.
Well,
you
have
architects.
B
F
Engage
in
the
policy
discussion,
but
the
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
drafting
of
the
request
for
proposal
and
I've
understood
the
conversation
that
the
draft
didn't
really
address.
The
way
it
wasn't
draft
the
way
you
wanted.
My
only
question
to
help
us
do.
That
is
simply
this.
Is
there
anybody
or
any
any
communities
that
you're
aware
of
that?
F
E
E
Urban
planning,
architectural,
firm,
called
Duany
and
very
well
renowned
and
what
you
have
in
the
court
they
forget
about.
The
tie,
rises,
we're
not
talking
high-rises,
but
the
core
downtown
of
Fort
Myers
is
a
very
walkable
a
lot
of
residential
there
there's
a
vibrant
commercial
sector,
and
that
was
all
done
through
the
selection
of
a
like
a
like
a
Jaime
Correa
at
Duany
they're
out
there
right
do.
B
F
B
Thing
also
with
that
they
also
have
a
very
robust
downtown
redevelopment
group.
They
do
I.
Think
if
you
put
those
two
be.
This
is
a
good
idea,
those
two.
If
we
look
at
theirs-
and
we
also
acknowledge
we
do
have
to
have
someone
with
that
mind
as
part
of
this
process,
we
can't
like
not.
We
make
that
go
away
because
gonna
like
that
thoughts
of
it.
If
we
want
to
do
for
series
about
this,
I
think
that's
and.
C
One
thing
that
came
out
of
my
discussions
with
Donna
and
with
Mitchell
about
Main
Street
kinda
Gordo,
like
we
did
all
that
we
that
was
directed
in
the
master
planner.
We
did
all
that
there
were
issues
with
it
and
it
ended
up
going
away.
It
wasn't
executed
to
the
you
know,
a
hundred
percent
I
would
say:
I
was
in
at
the
very
tail
end
and
so
I
can't
really
judge
the
whole
length
of
it,
but
it
wasn't
executed
the
whole
way,
but
really
the
difference,
and
it
was
a
good
suggestion.
C
C
That
are
successful
with
those
programs,
that's
what
they
have,
and
so
that's
what
the
goal
is
is
to
you
know,
get
somebody
to
buy
in
and
gentrify,
and
you
know,
which
is
what
really
happened
in
downtown
Fort
Myers.
So
we
really
need
to
keep
that
in.
The
back
of
our
mind,
too,
is
that
we
don't
have
a
bunch
of
empty
space
that
we're
trying
to
fill
is
we're
talking
about
new
development.
There's.
E
A
little
different,
you're,
correct,
you're,
correct,
there's,
I
think
I,
don't
know
I'm
concerned
I,
don't
know
what
we're
gonna
come
back
with.
I
think.
A
We
know
what
we
need.
I'm
listening
to
this
discussion
and
I
know
our
staff
well
enough
to
know
that
to
take
this
next
step,
we
can
clean
up
this
document.
That
was
a
good
start,
but
take
out
a
lot
of
these
and
simplify
this
and
come
up
with
something.
That's
just
a
much
more
streamlined
document
and
I
would.
B
G
We
also
indirectly
refer
to
the
2005
citizens
master
plan,
but
it's
not
specifically
stated
in
there
that
it's
it's
referenced,
so
I
would
like
to
include
that
as
well,
because
I
think
that's.
That
was
a
supporting
document
that
should
be
included
as
part
of
the
the
text
of
this
RFP
I'd
also
like
to
see
some
of
the
ideas
incorporated
from
the
group
that
spoke
earlier.
Smartisan
growth,
Punta
Gorda
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
folks
in
that
group
who
are
working
together
to
try
to
help
the
city
and
provide
input
to
the
city.
E
G
You
know,
maybe
some
of
those
ideas
can
be
incorporated
into
the
RFP,
but
I
think
those
are
important
things
because
that's
what's
what's
got
people
buzzing
in
the
community
and
I
think
having
that
involvement
will
also
foster
a
lot
more
support
for
the
for
the
ultimate
end
result.
Plan
and
I
think
that
it'll
allow
the
citizens
to
make
make
them
feel
like
they're
part
of
the
decision-making
process.
I
think
it's
a
really
big
deal
so.
B
Withdraw
that
motion,
but
when
I
but
I
will
make
a
motion
to
I
might
mention
a
motion
that
we
scheduled
a
council
workshop,
the
business
people-
that's
I-
can
be
cool
with
this.
If
we
do
that,
I
just
find
that
the
process
is
ridiculous.
Otherwise,
because
if
we
don't
have
people
perspective
that
can
reflect
on
the
last
15
years
about
what
our
code
has
done
to
them
are
done
for
them.
We're
done
against
them.
This
is
all
nonsense.
B
Otherwise,
we're
just
operating
in
the
dark,
I'm
gonna
have
some
guy
come,
who
doesn't
know
anything
basically
and
we're
gonna
start
making
plans
again
some
idealistic
stuff
based
on
some
some
urban
design
ideologies
when
we
really
need
to
know
in
our
Pacific
Punta
Gorda
environment,
what
our
environment
is
like
I
think
if
we
don't
get
that
this
is
nonsense.
I
could.
A
C
B
Has
to
be
prerequisite,
otherwise
we're
playing
with
ourselves
we're
really
not
acknowledging
our
people
are
not
taking
care
of
our
people
and
we're
I
can't
be
with
it.
Unless
we
take
care
of
our
people
first,
we
have
to
assess
what
our
people
have
been
going
through
over
the
last
15
years.
Otherwise,
we
have
to
know
where
we
are
first,
so.
D
E
A
E
G
C
E
G
B
B
C
D
D
G
One
other
point
is
that
you
know
we
haven't
really
incorporated
any
of
the
input
from
the
boat
club
or
the
the
groups
that
meet
at
the
YMCA
necessarily
I've
met
with
the
folks
from
the
boat
club,
and
we've
talked
about
all
the
renovations
that
have
to
happen
on
that
building
and
they're.
They
don't
want
to
move
forward
with
doing
what's
necessary
to
keep
the
building
in
good
running
order
because
they
don't
have
a
long-term
lease.
B
G
I'm,
saying
is
that
we
I
know
we
voted
on
that
already,
but
we
haven't,
we
haven't
implemented
it
and
I'm,
suggesting
that,
since
the
citizens
master
plan
has
come
up
since
then
that
some
of
that
money
should
be
used
toward
the
citizens,
master
plan
cost
because
I
think
that's
we're
hiring
another
firm.
That's
gonna
be
somewhat
redundant
at
the
end
result,
so
I'm
just
only
redundant.
B
C
D
I
A
A
B
D
D
E
J
C
E
C
E
Gonna
bring
you
the
drainage
contractor,
we're
gonna,
bring
you
the
restroom
bids
for
the
playground,
the
utilities
budget
to
canal
maintenance
budgets.
We've
got
the
burnt
star
isles
assessment
for
undergrounding.
Coming
up,
we
may
have
and
I
say,
may
either
June
or
July.
If
we
can't
get
it
done,
it'll
be
hopefully
August
a
land
purchase
contract
for
the
cut
through.
We
may.
E
E
C
E
J
J
J
G
J
C
D
D
G
D
D
Just
because
it's
sold
it's,
it
might
be
it's
something
that
it
might
be
an
asset
for
the
city
to
consider.
If
there's
a,
if
there's
a
interest
in
the
in
the
neighborhood
community
to
take
a
shot
at
it
and
offer
the
guy
a
quick
profit
and
we
still
didn't
pay
you
500,000
or
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
the.
D
D
C
G
D
A
G
Just
a
couple
quick
things:
I
think
you
all
got
the
email
that
I
forwarded
from
Gary
Harrell
at
the
MPO
about
the
Nesbitt
Street
intersection,
I'm
sure
that
dr.
Constance
isn't
gonna
like
this.
The
findings
of
the
FGCU
committee
but
I'm
very
I'm
very
pleased
at
what
they've
come
up
with
for
those
who
don't
know
what
we're
talking
about.
There
was
a
recommendation
to
change
the
configuration
of
traffic
flow
at
the
Nesbitt
and
East
Marion
Street
intersection
and
dr.
G
Constance
from
the
County
Commissioners
had
asked
that
the
right
turn
on
red
be
revoked
so
that
people
could
turn
right
off
of
Nesbitt
getting
onto
East
Marion,
because
the
traffic
backs
up.
But
we
had
a
group
of
students
from
FGCU
who
did
an
evaluation
of
the
intersection
and
came
up
with
some
findings.
I,
don't
can
we
make
that
available
in
the
website?
Sure.
E
G
A
report
that
was
generated
from
it
and
what
they,
what
they
recommend
is
that
we
take
the
on
street
parking
going
northbound
on
Nesbitt
from
Marion
and
make
that
a
straight
through
lane
coming
straight
across
Nesbitt
and
then
to
make
a
straight
through
lane
going
southbound
in
the
center
lane
and
a
right
turn
only
lane
coming
off
of
Nesbitt
coming
southbound.
So
anyway,
we'll
try
to
get
that
report
on
the
website
for
anybody
that
wants
to
see
it.
But
that
was
a
recommendation
that
they
made.
G
G
A
wrap-up
meeting,
I
should
say
for
the
block
party
last
night
and
they
wanted
me
to
express
their
their
happiness
and
appreciation
to
the
city
for
all
the
cooperation
with
the
block
party
this
year,
and
it
was
a
hugely
successful
event
and
they
wanted
me
to
give
you
this,
which
are
some
photos
from
the
event.
They've
already
started
the
planning
for
next
year
and
they
thanked
the
police
and
fire
for
doing
all
the
work
that
they
did.
G
C
B
C
K
K
We
went
through
a
major,
as
did
all
of
our
community,
a
major
restoration
renovation.
The
whole
thing
with
our
school
district
when
charlie
hit-
and
we
started
with
citizen
comment.
It
was
the
best
thing
we
did
took
us
months.
We
interviewed
everybody
and
the
thing
about
a
school
district
is
everybody
thinks
because
they
went
to
school.
They
know
how
to
run
a
school.
They
know
how
to
run
a
school
district
they,
but
it's
very
complicated,
everything's
predicated
on
the
bus
schedule.
Most
people
don't
know
that,
but
the
bus
schedule
runs
everything.
K
So
we
did,
we
went
every
school,
we
did
the
religious
community.
We
did
the
nonprofits
that
use
our
facilities
after
schools.
We
interviewed
thousands
upon
thousands
of
people
with
post-it
note
after
post-it
notes,
every
post-it
note.
It
took
us
months
to
assimilate
that
data,
but
we
had
a
really
good
run
with
our
school
district.
After
that,
it
was
amazing
that
the
professionals
then
could
take
that
information
and
say
we
can
make
this
fly
this.
This
idea
is
a
dog,
but
we
can
make
this
idea
fly
something
we
never
even
thought
about.
K
So
it
kind
of
sounds
like
your
conversation.
Is
it
chicken
or
egg?
Do
we?
Do
we
talk
to
people
first
or
do
we
ask
the
professionals
to
come
up
with
a
plan
you
bring
a
professional
in
from
outside
of
our
community?
They
don't
know
us,
that's
like
these
absentee
owners
of
so
much
of
our
business
is
in
town
and
so
much
of
our
property
in
town.
They
they
they
aren't
successful
because
they
aren't
a
part
of
our
community
oftentimes.
K
So
as
a
spokesperson
for
the
people,
that's
what
we
all
are
as
elected
officials
and
what
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
When
you
talk
about
Florida
being
very
different,
everybody
thinks
that
you
know
school
board.
Members
shouldn't
be
paid
in
the
state
of
Florida
being
a
school
board.
Member
in
Florida
is
totally
and
completely
different
than
it
is
in
any
other
state
in
the
Union,
except
maybe
Hawaii,
but
where
we
represent
the
community,
we
represent
the
people,
as
elected
officials
start
with
them.
First.
H
Shirring
Leonora
and
I
am
with
Smart
Growth
pump
to
Punta
Gorda
and
to
the
master
plan.
Thank
you
for
allowing
it
to
come
back
with
a
new,
revised,
RFP
I.
Think
the
part
of
the
process
here
is
kind
of
being
misunderstood.
We
are
the
people
who
will
be
chosen
have
to
be
experts,
urban
planners
architects,
as
well
as
having
charrette
training,
because,
right
now
we
have
three
entities.
H
We
have
the
government,
we
have
the
citizens
and
we
have
the
business
community
and
frankly,
we're
not
talking
to
one
another
and
what
the
Charette
process
will
do
is
hire
a
facilitator
to
allow
us
to
talk
together
to
see
what
our
plan
is
for
this
city
for
the
next
10
20
years,
and
that
is
what
is
needed
fort
myers,
their
plan
I
looked
at
it
gave
us,
gave
them
a
great
walking,
very
vibrant
downtown.
They
have
high-rises
other
places,
but
not
in
the
downtown
center,
and
that
is
exactly
what
we
need
in
Punta
Gorda.
H
The
2005
plan
gave
us
so
much
more.
They
gave
us
plans
parks,
they
gave
us
a
vision,
they
gave
us
our
Convention
Center,
and
this
didn't.
This
new
master
plan
will
hopefully
give
us
all
sorts
of
new
gifts
that
we
can
work
through
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
there
is
a
national
institute
of
charettes
and
they
have
a
template
for
an
rfp
proposal.
I
suggest
that
perhaps
we
might
want
to
look
at
that.
H
They
suggest
that
post
Charette,
that
they,
the
things
that
should
happen,
are
that
the
results
should
be
communicated
via
social
media,
the
media
and
public
meetings,
and
that
the
person
who's
hired
completes
a
feasibility
study
of
all
of
those
Charette
documents
that
are
provided
and
provide
draft
resolutions
of
the
right
document,
though
so
they're
going
to
be
looking
at.
How
feasible
is
some
of
these
things?
H
Some
of
them
are
gonna,
get
tossed
out,
then
they're
going
to
drive,
they
should
drive
to
report,
including
the
project,
the
process
and
the
plan,
and
how
to
hold
town
meetings,
get
it
published
in
the
newspaper
through
social
media
to
tell
it
to
say
this
is
what
we
came
up
with
from
there.
Then
they
go.
H
Here
is
how
you
need
to
go
about
it,
so
we're
not
talking
about
people
just
talking
off
the
top
of
their
heads,
we're
talking
about
people
who
are
passionate
about
Punta
Gorda,
but
we're
also
talking
about
people
who
are
planners
so
are
developers
who
are
business,
people
who
are
architects
who
are
facilitators,
and
that
is
what
we
need.
So
thank
you
for
coming
back
with
a
revised
RFP.
L
Kerr's
me,
we
know
my
name:
Wendy
Muller
historic
district
I
want
to
comment
on
a
strategic
plan,
one
of
the
things
that
wasn't
adopted
at
the
205
plan.
If
you
read
through
it,
is
that
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
five-year
review
every
five
years,
it
wasn't
done
or
it
would
have
been
alive
and
that's
mistaken
should
be
included
in
your
future
plan.
L
I
think
you'd
still
be
working
with
the
2005
plan
called
2019.
Now,
if
you
had
revised
it
or
reviewed
it
every
five
years
and
one
other
thing
to
say,
and
that's
simply
that
experts
listen
and
then
they
act,
experts
I'm
sorry,
experts
guide
from
their
gathered
information
and
from
their
opportunities,
and
then
they
give
advice.
You
cannot
be
an
expert
if
you
don't
have
the
information
first.
B
I
I
So
aha
I
get
your
point
about,
you
know
doing
workshops
and
all
that
stuff
and
I
understand
about
you,
know,
planning
and
and
if
I,
if
I
put
that
hat
on
for
a
minute,
I
can
see
where
you're
going
with
all
that
and
in
gathering
data
and
information
from
professionals
and
best
practices-
and
you
mentioned
things
like
you
know:
new
urbanism
and
urban
design,
and
you
gave
an
analogy
of
medicine
and
medicine.
Wouldn't
just
you
know
willy-nilly
do
stuff
on
the
fly
they
would
you
know,
conduct
you
know,
scientific.