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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 05-16-18 Part 3
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A
And
in
in
in
just
looking
at
the
workload,
our
break
and
fix
environment
right
now
does
about
220
tickets
a
month
and
that's
in
addition
to
all
of
our
our
maintenance
jobs
and
our
project
work
that
we're
doing
for
the
large-scale
projects
that
we
have.
It
utilizes
the
time
of
everybody
on
the
IT
staff
at
one
point
or
another
tans
or
some
of
these
calls
we've
been
able
to
automate
a
lot
of
responses.
A
But
it's
left
a
kind
of
a
hole
from
our
customers
eyes
that
they
don't
CIT
face
to
face
they
put
in
a
ticket,
and
it
takes
three
or
four
days
sometimes
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
to
that
ticket
because
we're
working
off
a
backlog
and
they
don't
stop
coming
in.
While
we're
still
trying
to
work
off
some
of
the
problems
that
are
bigger
than
others
as
they
come
in.
And
so
they
it's
a
it's
a
some
some
of
its
perception.
A
That's
not
working
and
something
else
that's
going
wrong
and
Dalton,
or
one
of
our
other
staff,
will
show
up
to
work
on
a
bigger
problem
and
then
Oh,
while
you're
here,
I've
got
this
and
this
and
this
and
this
and
this
to
do,
and
so
all
of
a
sudden
what
he
thought
was
gonna
take
an
hour
he's
there
for
the
rest
of
the
day
and
then
more
work
tickets
backlog.
Because
of
things
like
that,
this
is
gonna.
Allow
us
to
be
proactive.
B
A
B
About
it
and
we
can't
get
to
them,
we
have
one
Dalton,
I
shouldn't
say
that
name.
We
have
one
one,
the
idea
break
and
fix,
and
this
would
be
a
lower
pay
grade,
but
at
least
person
that
can
get
out
there
and
serve
the
it's,
not
a
sexy
job.
It's
not
police
and
fire.
They're
saving
lives.
It's
more
of
the
internal.
C
C
A
Other
thing
that
I'll
just
put
out
there
that
it
also
does
is
as
we've
as
we've
moved,
the
system's
analyst
position
that
is,
is
currently
occupied
by
Dalton,
that
the
position
also
does
our
distribution
of
new
equipment
and
so
we're
ordering
thirty,
five
thirty
to
thirty
five
computers
a
year
that
we've
got
to
dedicate
time
to
distributing
that
equipment
as
well.
Bringing
this
position
in
is
also
going
to
create
an
entry
level
learning
position
that,
as
the
people
that
are
in
the
systems,
analyst
positions
now
possibly
move
up
or
move
on.
A
E
Doesn't
work
that
way
as
I
recall
when
at
the
Florida
League
of
Cities
there
were
some
topic
of
comparing
sizes
of
IT
departments
in
different
cities,
and
we
certainly
have
a
very
small
IT
department
compared
to
a
lot
of
other
municipalities,
our
size,
so
I
commend
you
for
that.
I'm
also
I
hope
this
keeps
the
server
up
so
that
you
know
I
was
doing
emails
the
other
day
and
it's
like
all
of
a
sudden.
I
can't
send
emails,
and
it's
like.
B
A
A
A
D
F
Just
bringing
back
where
we
were
at
with
the
ending
reserves
that
were
available
for
allocation.
If
you
were
to
approve
all
the
positions
as
they've
been
presented,
we
currently
would
see
where
we
would
come
at
for
fiscal
year,
19
the
remaining
reserves
that
could
be
used
for
other
items,
so
you're
about
1.6
there.
So
I
guess
we
would
ask
at
this
time,
if
all
the
physicians
or
which
positions
would
be
approved,
to
add
it
to
the
fiscal
year.
19
budget,
as.
B
E
B
F
D
H
H
C
I
think
we
have
a
communications
manager,
this
capable
of
marketing
the
city
for
us
and
I.
Think
that's
what
the
ultimate
golf
was
supposed
to
be
was
to
hire
her
to
do
that
and
and
I
think
we
should
let
her
do
that
now.
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
ultimate
overall
long-term
goal,
so
I
think
she's
capable
of
doing
it.
If
we
give
her
the
opportunity
to
do
it
and
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
an
outside
for
him
to
tell
her
how
to
do
her
job
Oh,
No,
augmenting.
H
Her
in
the
same
way
that
the
TDC
is
able
to
do
an
extremely
good
job
with
promoting
themselves,
they
also
hire
aqua,
and
we
know
very
personally
they've
been
able
to
get
results
that
are
far
greater
than
it
could
have.
If
you
had
a
single
individual
doing
it.
This
is
just
a
communications
plan,
and
again
we
did
agree
to
this.
I
mean
this
to
try
to
come
out
of
this
now
means
we
live
just
pretty
much
through
other
money
out
the
window.
H
D
G
That
the
type
of
process
that,
though
that
aqua
is
helping
us
with,
is
not,
is
not
as
tangible,
unfortunately
as
its
some
other
types,
but
this
is
year.
Two
we've
got
we're
ready
to
come
out
the
gate.
This
is
the
year
that
we
should
start
seeing
some
meat
from
the
process
and
I
think
that
we
don't
want
to
stutter
step
here.
I
think
we
need
to
go
forward
with
it.
E
I
think
that's
something
that
definitely
an
event
in
the
city
that
we
want
to
promote
because
it's
an
asset
to
the
community.
So
those
are
all
opportunities
that
that
happen
all
the
time,
but
I
think
we
need
that
coaching
from
aqua
and
in
the
strategic
sense
of
where
we're
going
with
this,
and
and
we
made
this
commitment,
it's
a
planets.
We've
studied
this
for
a
long
long
time
and
I
think
it's.
F
So,
just
to
sum
everything
up
regarding
some
of
our
unfunded
alternatives
right
now
again
we're
at
the
1.6
that's
available
for
allocation.
One
of
the
big
unknowns
at
this
time
is
the
master
plan
and
the
cost
on
that.
So
as
that
moves
forward-
and
we
have
a
number
funding
that
would
be
probably
through
these
reserves,
the
pay
plan
study
implementation.
F
Again,
we
just
finished
that
process
we're
just
starting
to
get
the
recommendations
in
for
the
implementation.
This
number
this
range
here,
a
hundred
thousand
six
hundred
thousand
I'm.
So
sorry,
but
this
is
citywide
so,
but,
as
you
know,
the
general
fund
is
a
big
portion
of
our
city,
so
it
wouldn't
be
the
full
amount
that
would
go
towards
the
general
fund
again
use
of
reserves
for
2020,
as
we've
done
in
the
past,
as
we
develop
the
rest
of
the
proform
on
the
out
years.
F
We'll
come
up
with
the
twenty,
especially
with
these
new
positions
in
there
and
see
where
we're
at
and
funds
may
be
needed
to
again.
If
you
so
desire,
like
put
that
money
in
the
budget
already
as
use
of
reserves
for
the
future,
any
increase
minimum
reserves
over
eight
percent
is
an
option
as
well
and
then
IT
future
project
needs
which
we
be
coming
back
to
you
with
some
projects.
There
again
the
amount
is
to
be
determined,
isn't.
F
F
So
that
takes
care
of
the
main
general
fund
and
then
the
only
other
item
we
have
left
is
a
lot
mowing
assessment,
which
is
part
of
the
general
fund.
The
contractor
may
increase
the
rate
three
percent.
They
did
take
that
option
last
year
in
fiscal
year,
18
so
and
then
personnel
salaries
are
budget
increase
three
percent.
So
with
that
increase,
we
would
propose
that
the
lot
mowing
assessment
increased
from
165
to
170
to
cover
the
additional
costs
I.
I
G
D
F
D
B
I
I
If
we're
looking
at
the
parking
by
Gilchrist
Street,
the
area
originally
in
the
base
plan
did
not
have
the
parking
lot
that
exists
today
remaining
in
it,
so
area
a
will,
cost
$30,000
and
we
will
have
a
new,
up-to-date
and
compliant
parking
area.
Currently,
if
you
recall,
the
parking
that
exists
today
is
not
compliant
and
we
would
need
to
make
it
a
DA
compatible
and
then
we'd
have
to
have
the
proper
distance
for
the
drive
aisles
and
the
parking
spaces
identified
properly.
I
So
we'd
have
a
additional
18
spaces
from
the,
as
opposed
to
the
base
plan
which
had
zero
in
the
park,
but
it
had
four
additional
ones
on
the
outside
on
Retta.
So
here
we'll
have
a
total
of
23
parking
spaces
in
that
area
under
option,
a
will
have
a
total
of
three
of
eight
trees
lost
and
then,
of
course,
we'll
have
the
offsite
vendor
the
vendor
will
be
off
site
on
that
parking
area.
I
The
proposed
option-
C,
is
a
hybrid
of
option,
A
and
the
base
plan,
and
what
that
proposes
is
to
push
the
proposed
parking
back
into
the
park
and
then
put
keep
the
additional
four
spaces
on
Retta
the
cost.
To
do
that
is
going
to
be
seventy
one
thousand
dollars.
We
will
have
twenty
two
spaces
so
for
four
additional
spaces
on
Retta,
keeping
that
we
double
the
price
and
then
we
have
the
vendor
area
still
remaining
as
well.
So
your
options
are
in
front
of
you
and
to
lose
six
more
trees.
B
I
B
I
It's
time
to
look
at
the
city
again
and
increase
our
vision
of
what
we,
where
we
want
to
go
in
the
next
ten
years
or
so
so
before
you
for
your
review,
was
the
proposal
that
staff
put
together
for
for
discussion
and
wanted
to
hear
what
your
input
was.
Were
there
things
that
you
want
deleted,
you
want
added
I.
H
It
is
diverting
us
from
our
sponsor
didn't
mean
by
that
is
that
the
some
degree
I
feel
we
were
in
a
moment
of
I
almost
like
we're
like
a
referendum
committee
of
some
sort,
and
then
the
thing
is
by
statute
when
it
comes
to
us
in
our
by
our
role.
When
it
comes
across
judicial
hearings,
we
have
to
vote
according
to
communists
that
substantial
evidence
by
license
experts
who
are
named
expert,
yet
we're
aiming
to
do
exactly
which,
according
to
case
law,
is
really
not
legal
I
mean
the
court.
H
I
mean
we're
looking
at
making
decisions
based
on
proceeded
popular
opinion,
which
denies
her
residents
actually
the
very
best
qualified
advice
for
governing
the
city.
What
I
mean
by
this
is
that
we
went
in
every
case
in
any
other
government
and
even
looking
at
F
that
anyone
else
like
that.
You
licensed
professionals
provide
counsel
in
the
public,
with
options
derived
from
the
best
practices
in
their
field,
like
I
you're,
been
planning
architecture
engineering,
not
unlicensed
people,
giving
licensed
people
direction
in
the
Charette
process,
hoping
to
some
sort
of
option
based
on
best
practices.
H
Some
haven't
come
out
of
this
process
in
in
the
practice
of
medicine.
This
be
unacceptable
and
the
practice
of
engineering
mannix
in
the
practice
of
developing
an
RO
plan
or
water
engineering.
It
would
be
unacceptable
and
also
in
a
practice
of
urban
design.
These
are
all
fields
in
the
state
of
Florida.
One
must
be
licensed
in
order
to
practice
the
discipline
and
to
be
an
expert
we
actually
have
to.
In
terms
of
when
we
do
our
our
deliberations,
they
have
to
be
based
on
ultimately
expert
advice
and
I'm.
H
Seeing
that
the
some
degree,
what
we're
doing
now
is
that
we're
we're
voting
on
responsibility
in
terms
of
to
the
citizens
in
terms
of
not
being
paralyzed
by
the
fear
of
change
and
rather
than
proactively
leaning
into
the
change
to
weather.
So
we
can
direct
it
rather
than
being
with
ostriches
that
put
their
heads
in
the
ground,
hoping
that
danger
goes
away,
but
for
a
moment,
I
want
dull.
Just
for
a
minute.
I
I,
just
I
mean
I
mention
this
before
I
recently
went
to
a
training
at
the
government.
H
Development
administration
is,
it
was
on
recovering
resiliency
for
cities,
and
it
talked
about
preparing
cities
for
not
only
national
national
disasters
but
also
economic
disasters,
and
in
that
they
asked
us
to
really
try
to
our
best
to
rise
above
short-term
politics
and
truly
care
about
the
residents
and
carefully
consider,
what's
going
to
actually
sustain
them,
ride
them
with
a
high
quality
of
life.
With
this
said,
I
think
we
can
build
upon
what
was
the
2005
master
plan,
which
gave
a
very
conference
and
vision
moving
to
part
two
of
that
effort.
H
It's
a
very
large
body
of
data.
We
just
did
the
Aqua
branding
study,
which
actually
was
a
2017
update
to
the
community's
vision
and
I,
find
that
there's
no
reason
to
look
at
spending
half
a
million
dollars
on
a
redundant
study
when
we
have
that
part
of
the
data.
Now,
one
very
essential
component
that
we
are
missing
again
is
respective
of
the
business
community,
especially
that
of
the
down
the
remaining
downtown
businesses.
We
need
to
know
what
our
current
business
environment
actually
is
like
not
what
is
perceived
as
like.
H
Also
in
this
again
can
be
done
very
simply
through
a
city
council
workshop,
like
workshops
are
done
where
business
owners
are
invited
to
share
the
testimony
of
the
City
Council,
followed
by
a
council
discussion.
This
some
testimonies
I
find
that
if
we
have
these
three
pieces,
we
have
2005
master
plan,
we
have
the
aqua
study.
We
have
this
from
the
workshops.
We
then
can
actually
design
a
study
which
is
actually
more
technical
in
nature.
H
The
existing
framework
from
a
true
technical
standpoint
when
I
mean
by
that
is
like
doing
really-
and
this
is
from
the
beginning-
an
atomic
analysis
of
what
business
that
business
sectors
are
best
suited
to
the
city.
I
listed
the
downtown
business
developments
that
were
either
neither
in
nearly
in
existence
or
nor
slated
for
development
before
Hurricane
Charley
and
which
actually
came
about
as
master
plan,
a
determination
of
what
could
of
what
level
commercial
activities
needed
downtown
to
create
a
critical
mass
how
to
employ
new
urbanism.
H
This
is
something
that
we
talked
about
in
the
master
plan
which
I'll
give
the
quotes
and
then
and
I
say
this,
because
we
we
need
to
frame
this.
If
this
is
what
we
say
we
are,
is
the
philosophy
is
to
combat
the
endless
creeping
invasive
sprawl
that
in
engulfed
millions
of
acres
of
us
planners
will
model
their
developments
on
the
small
towns
of
early
America,
which
compact
downtown's
walkable
streets,
diverse
housing,
stock
and
plentiful
in
public
spaces.
H
Also,
we
need
to
make
a
determination,
the
rate
of
increase
in
residential
taxes
that
maintain
the
current
level
services.
If
the
ratio
commercial
activity
City
is
allowed
to
remain
as
it
is
also,
we
need
to
do
a
actual
comparison
of
the
master
plan,
branding,
study
and
workshop
and
compare
them
with
the
LDRs
and
also
and
then
followed
by
a
series
of
renderings
of
cityscapes,
based
on
the
conclusions
of
those
three
studies
and
staff
recommendations
to
be
company
by
draft
a
leaders
with
this.
H
While
this
is
being
done,
we
should
do
an
outreach
campaign
that
should
be
facilitated
to
promote
more
citizen
participation
in
public
review
process,
and
with
this
we
need
to
not
only
increase
the
number
of
right
retirees
that
we
have,
but
we
also
need
to
reach
more
elderly
persons
with
disabilities,
young
families,
working
people
and
business
owners.
This
expanded
basic
residence
wouldn't
be
provided
by
civic
education,
symposiums
on
Florida
zoning
law
and
best
practices
in
urban
planning.
H
Part
of
the
necessity
of
this
level
of
outreach
came
to
me
because,
after
the
last
time,
we
had
discussion
on
the
waterfront
activity
center
III
discovered
that
the
bay
front
dancer.
Is
there
a
group
of
seniors
200?
They
meet
twice
a
week,
who've
been
meeting
in
there.
They
do
country
line
dancing
for
the
last
10
years,
they're
one
of
the
oldest
standing
people
there
and
they
were
not
included
as
stakeholders,
and
so
it
shows
that
we
are
not
we're
not
reaching
everyone,
but
we're
making
assumptions
based
on
who
the
community
is
saying
is
really
not.
H
We
need
to
actually
actively
expand
our
public.
Secondly,
in
having
cultivated
this,
this
greater
group
grouping
of
our
residents
and
in
after
we
are
able
to
have
this
kind
of
actual
symposiums
on
Florida
zoning
law
and
best
practices
and
we're
planning.
Then,
by
this
time
the
renderings
in
draft
le
ours
should
be
ready
for
review.
At
that
point,
our
citizens
would
then
be
empowered
to
actually
be
able
to
really
participate
robustly
in
the
process
to
have
tourettes
before
that
is,
is
I,
finally
be
ridiculous
and
actually
insulting
to
the
to
the
residents.
H
One
thing
also
again:
we
need
to
really
empathize
with
our
residents
and
really
understand
where
they're
coming
from
is
that
I
find
that
oftentimes
residents
who
moved
here
from
other
states
actually
believe
the
Florida
law
is
similar
to
the
states
where
they
come
from
Florida
zoning
law
is
far
more
comprehensive
than
most
states
in
the
Union,
and
so
with
this
I
mean
since
the
1990s.
All
zoning
changes
have
to
go
through
a
process
of
quasi
judicial
hearing.
It's
not
random.
It's
not
arbitrary.
H
It's
not
someone
so
can
get
someone's
brother
through
the
process
and
not
use
because
I
like
him.
It's
a
very,
very
strict
process
in
the
state
and
I
think
the
we
need
to
let
our
residents
know
that,
though
they
may
have
had
certain
life
experiences
where
they
move
from
this
is
Florida
and
Florida
has
a
very,
very
different
set
of
laws
with
what
they
said.
H
We
I
think
that,
with
this
process
of
civic
education,
giving
our
residents
a
true
true
background
in
state
zoning
laws
and
best
practices
on
how
cities
are
actually
designed,
they're
then
able
to
really
give
critical
input
on
public
comments
to
design
renderings
in
lbr.
That
we'd
then
be
which
would
have
been
created
by
expert
planners
architects
engineers
who
would
have
worked
from
the
very
extensive
data
that
was
provided
by
the
master
plan,
the
branding
study,
business
works
up
and
our
urban
design
staff.
H
We
know
probably
more
than
anyone
about
what's
happening
here,
and
so
with
this,
it's
like
I
think
we
have
to
really
understand
that
we
right
now
are
building
the
architectural
and
economic
foundations
for
parenting
orders
next
50
years,
not
next
five
years,
like
any
other
great
city
in
America,
we
need
to
hire
the
very
best
people,
the
best
planners,
the
best
architects,
the
best
engineers,
the
best
economists,
the
private
residence,
are
the
best
solutions.
There's
no
way.
We
should
leave
this
to
just
people
guessing
it.
H
We
should
have
licensed
like
any
other
city
in
the
country.
Our
residents
deserve
the
very
best
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
focus
on
effectiveness,
not
on
appeasement.
At
this
point,
we
need
to
think
what
is
gonna
be
effective
for
our
city
and
I
find
that
all
right
we
have
experts
to
provide
us
with
viable
options
of
ldr,
is
illustrated
by
design
renderings
that
are
based
on
best
practices.
H
Urban
design
residents,
who
are
empowered
with
more
education
on
on
our
zoning
laws
and
on
best
practices,
will
be
able
to
provide
the
very
best
comments,
only
selection,
so
that
our
LD
our
framework
can
be
accommodated
to
meet
the
best
long-term
use
of
the
city
and
also
I,
find
that,
with
this
said,
we
will
be
able
to
then
rebuild
our
downtown
with
you
appropriate
architecture
for
xnu
ating,
our
historic
identity
while
providing
the
optimum
environment
for
business
to
thrive.
Downtown.
H
We
we're
out
of
balance
now
with
who
we
are
when
I
mean
by
that
is
that
we've
always
had
a
beautiful
balance
of
old
Florida,
Gulf,
Coast,
waterfront
living
and
the
yearly
homecoming
or
seasonal
residence.
That
makes
us
such
a
special
place.
I
think
that
I,
really
and
I
say
I
move
that
we
do
nothing
further.
Regarding
Marshall
planning,
ie
spending
upwards
of
half
a
million
dollars
on
unbudgeted
funds
on
a
master
plan.
H
Until
we
do
a
few
things,
one
until
there's
been
an
assessment
by
the
staff
of
the
actual
effectiveness
of
the
first
one,
two
that
we've
had
a
council
workshop
with
business
owners
so
that
we
have
a
complete
set
of
data
for
which
a
professional
design
firm
can't
work
with
in
the
event
that
we
do
decide.
We
want
to
go
north
with
budgeting
half
a
million
dollars
for
a
second
master
plan
and
with
this
I
say
this,
because
I
think
that
what
we
actually
need.
H
We
need
an
economic
study
on
what
business
will
work
in
Punta
Gorda.
We
need
renderings
of
cityscapes
and
urban
design.
Staff
have
already
been
working
on
because
they've
already
conducted
updated
survey
on
a
citizen's
vision
for
the
city
in
last
year's
budget
is
expensive
for
an
aqua
marketing
study.
H
We
need
a
cultivation,
expanded
public
constituencies,
such
as
the
elderly,
persons
with
disabilities,
young
families,
working
people,
business
owners
and
civic
education
seminars
on
Florida
zoning
law,
best
practices,
urban
design
and
with
this
I've
had
some
some
planaria
discussions,
even
with
leadership
between
Punta
Gorda,
do
Burley
very
willing
to
even
raise
funds
to
do
that.
Public
outreach.
But
I
find
that
that
we've
just
gone
off
the
track
somewhere
and
not
really
doing
our
job.
H
I
think
that
we
need
to
come
back,
because
this
all
came
out
of
a
discussion
of
building
heights
and
we've
just
gone
all
over
the
place
in
the
and
I
think
that
we
have
to
acknowledge.
We
just
spent
money
on
a
study
asking
wires
and
is
what
they
want,
and
so
to
go
through
a
process
which
would
basically
be
guided
by
nine
licensed
people
when
we,
when
we,
our
residents,
deserve
the
very
best
and
when
we're
talking
about
designing
a
city
for
the
next
50
years,
we're
not.
H
H
I'm
moving
that
we
do
nothing
regarding
a
master
plan
until
such
time
that
we've
done
an
assessment
of
the
effect.
This
is
the
first
one
and
we've
done
some
council
workshop
with
a
business.
Why?
I
think
that
if
we
acknowledge
that
we
have
to
acknowledge
that
our
city
is
is
is
greater
than
only
that
the
loud
voices
we
hear
I
think
we
have
to
get
past
we're
in
a
certain
place.
In
our
mind
where
the
squeaky
wheel
is
in
we're,
not
people.
H
D
D
Only
one
story,
maybe
they're
two
story:
I
mean
that's
the
piece
that
I
agree
with
you
that
we're
missing,
because
obviously
the
plans
that
have
been
approved
in
the
past
say
the
City
Market
Place
PD
that
never
came
to
fruition.
That's
ten
years
old
I
would
guess
we're.
Then
some
and
those
those
were
like
ten.
Some
of
those
buildings
were
ten
stories
high.
So
that's
that's
not
gonna
happen,
I
mean
I.
Can
I
can
tell
you.
That's
not
gonna
happen,
especially
with
other
yeah,
so
I
mean
I
would
be
okay
with
the
business
workshop.
E
You
know
I
tried
to
listen
to
everything
that
you
said
and
do
all
with
all
respect,
but
I
think
that
the
intent
here
we
already
know
how
much
of
the
the
citizens
master
plan
that's
been
fulfilled.
We
have
that
information
on
citizens,
team,
Punta,
Gorda
and
the
city
have
been
down.
I
can
mean
the
names
of
the
people
who
did
it
and
went
through
and
actually
identify
what
projects
were
in
place.
What
has
been
done
and,
and
they
have
that
information
we
would
not
hire
anybody
who's.
Not
Jaime.
E
Correa
is
a
well
credentialed
renowned
urban
planner,
with
with
credentials
that
are
amazing.
We
wouldn't
hire
anybody
to
help
us
take
that
next
step
and
help
bring
things
together.
We
have
the
information
from
the
Chesapeake
study.
There
is
an
economic
development
group.
There
works
through
the
chamber,
we
have
Lucien,
piers
and
and
the
whole
economic
development
team,
and
we
have
those
at
our
fingertips
to
help
us
and
and
I
think
that
to
have
someone
come
and
help
us.
The
information
that
aqua
has
provided
is
wonderful
information.
E
D
Answer
you,
yes,
the
staff
has
gone
through
and
check
the
boxes.
Did
we
do
this?
Yes,
was
this
feasible?
No,
this
is
ongoing.
This
was
the
county.
I
mean
they've
done
that
cursory
check
the
boxes
on
the
completed
task,
but
I
think
what
jaha,
saying
and
I
would
agree
what
was
effective.
What
was
the
effectiveness
of
those
decisions.
E
H
A
H
G
G
G
I
think
we
need
when,
as
when,
we
go
out
for
a
proposal
assuming
we
do
if
we
go
out
for
a
proposal
for
that
we
should
add
a
couple
of
things
in
our
evaluations.
One
is
that's
not
this.
Just
generic
one-
that's
not
in
here
specifically,
but
they
probably
would
do
it
would
be
when
the
I,
when
the
plans
get
developed,
what
3d
renderings
would
be
based
on
certain
type
of
architectural
criteria,
and
this
can
be
done
very
well.
We
saw
a
local
citizen
through
this.
G
Regarding
Henry
Street
Park,
so
that
we
can
have
a
visual
representation
and
where
we
go
with
this
as
a
community
I'm
not
talking
about
as
just
our
body
but
as
a
community,
but
also
when
we
go
to
put
go
off
for
proposal.
You
when
you
from
my
experience,
experiences
in
business,
which
isn't
government
I,
understand
that
customers
would
put
off
proposals
and
they
would
want
us
to
bid
an
apple.
But
there
was
always
the
ability
to
add
addendums
that
if
we
thought
the
orange
made
better
sense
and
that's
where
I
think
we
could.
G
If
we
go
out
request
for
a
proposal,
we
could
glean
some
information
from
perpetual
proposals
not
necessarily
take
the
lowest
proposal.
Take
the
lowest
with
highest
value
proposal,
because
if
somebody
comes
through
with
this
and
said,
okay,
here's
how
we
did
your
scope.
But
if
we
were
to
do
it
we
would
add
X,
Y,
Z
and
a
and
B,
so
that
we
can
have
that
kind
of
a
trick.
Because
this
is
not
our
expertise.
G
It's
we
have
great
people
in
urban
design,
but
even
their
scope
is
has
been
more
narrow
than
what
we
would
hopefully
find
with
a
credentialed
consultant
in
this.
In
this
standpoint
and
John,
how
your
point
is
very
well
taken
that
it's
sometimes
we
have
to
go
out
and
seek
who
the
stakeholders
really
are.
They
may
not
come
forward
to
us
whether
it's
the
line-dancing
group
that's
been
ten
years.
Yes,
they
are
stakeholder
and
they're
doing
their
line-dance
in
there
they're,
happy
and
and
and
maybe
need
to
be
approached.
G
They
need
to
be
gleaned
out,
in
addition
to
the
folks
that
just
have
more
passion.
Naturally,
not
all
of
us
have
the
same
passions
on
on
issues
as
others,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
others
shouldn't
have
have
sufficient
voice.
So
I
think
that
as
we
go
out
for
this,
we
should
also
be
asking
in
the
proposal
that
this
is
our
Apple.
G
But
if
this
isn't-
and
please
bid
this-
but
if
this
isn't
what
you
know
that
we
should
be
doing
explain
to
us
what
you
believe
pros
your
expertise,
which
you
should
we
should
be
doing
and
how
we
should
be
doing
it
and
that's
how
we
should
evaluate
it
whenever
you
go
out
with
these
things,
whether
it
was
is
with
what
we're
doing
with
aqua
or
something
like
this.
If
it's
going
to
be
successful
and
I
believe
aqua
is
going
to
be
successful
for
us
to
in
the
long
term,
there's
an
ROI.
G
There
is
a
return
on
investment.
It
doesn't
cost
you
a
half
a
million
dollars
over
the
long
haul.
Instead,
it
gives
you
a
profit
of
X
number
of
dollars,
but
you
have
to
spend
something
up
front
and
and
with
some
faith
and
understanding
that
to
go
forward
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
is
we're
talking
about
the
the
50
year
and
even
hundred
year.
You
heard
me
say
that
about
the
water
plan.
I
actually
see
that
as
an
at
a
hundred
your
asset
potential
so
anyway,
I
understand
your
point.
G
G
I
J
Miriam
pays
procurement
manager
listening
through
the
discussion.
This
process
would
be
guided
by
the
Florida
State
statute,
280
5.0
55,
which
is
a
consultants,
competitive
negotiations,
act
whenever
we're
hiring
any
type
of
professional
services
of
an
engineer,
architectural
landscape,
architect
and
those
type
of
professional
positions.
J
We
have
very
strict
guidelines
that
we
will
need
to
follow
and
basically,
we
provide
to
the
potential
offers
our
objective,
our
scope
of
what
we
see
now
they're
going
to
be
taking
what
we
see
in
expanding
on
that
and
proposing
a
project
approach
or
scope
of
work
in
their
offer
to
us.
We
cannot
request
price
in
these
types
of
solicitations,
so
that's
done
after
the
fact,
but
the
other
thing
we
can
do
is
work
with
the
minimum
qualification
requirements.
I
heard
about
suggesting.
G
G
J
D
J
We
go
through
the
process
and
we
started
negotiating
with
the
top-ranked
firm.
We
can
tell
them
where
there
may
be
too
heavy
in
their
scope.
We
negotiated
the
hourly
rates
and
they
give
us
proposal
based
on
the
scope
that
we
develop
for
for
the
project
for
the
for
the
master
plan,
and
then,
if
that
fee
does
not
come
in
within
our
budget,
we
can
either
decide
to
abandon
with
no
obligation
or
we
can
go
to
the
number-2
firm
and
open
up
negotiations
with
them.
D
Which
I
thought
we
talked
about
last
time?
Is
that
framing
it
within
the
staff
recommendations
that
we
already
have
on
the
table
and
I?
Don't
really
see
that
and
I
think
that's
where
aha
you're
kind
of
pointing
at
this
is
like
too
open-ended
so
to
say,
but
really
I
mean
we
I
thought.
We
said
that
we
would
like
those
recommendations
and
the
and
the
draft
changes
to
be.
You
know
the
focal
point
of
some
of
this,
so
is
that
in
there
is
that
understood.
I
We
believe
that,
under
the
tasks
that
went
that
we
brought
to
you
that
we
could
discuss
the
additions
of
items
that
we
may
have
not
understood
totally
under
the
economic
analysis,
the
business
workshop,
maybe
we
can
include
that
in
there
and
define
it
more.
This
was
just
the
rough
draft
to
get
the
discussion
started
on
where
we
wanted
to
go
and
how
we
wanted
to
formulate
the
process.
I.
B
H
That,
if
we're
gonna
do
this,
there
needs
to
be
ROI
needs
to
be
like
of
it.
It
can't
just
be
the
take
us
out
of
the
discussion
on
downtown
so
that
we
can
just
make
more
time
go
away.
It
actually
needs
to
have
like
an
outcome
like
let's
say,
if
we're
this
is
actually
a
fifty
year
strategic
plan.
It
needs
to
actually
be
that
and
our
urban
design
staff
has
actually
done
tremendous
work,
understanding
this
and
we
built
from
what
they
built
this.
H
I
find
it
highly
offensive
to
to
full
ear
resonance
at
no
point
when
any
northern
city
ever
ever
ever
ever
closed
during
the
winter.
So
because
our
residents
are
down
in
Florida,
it's
absolutely
ridiculous.
That
I
find
that
the
fact
we
these
kind
of
things
show
this
is.
This
is
not
what
we
say
it
is
if
our
intentions
really
are
to
really
do
a
real
plan
for
where
we're
going.
That's
one
thing,
but
this
is
just
this
is
some
other
social
thing.
That's
not
really
serious,
I!
H
D
Truly
from
what
you
said,
this
is
a
ten
year
plan
right
here.
This
is
what
we're
asking
five
plus
I
mean
in
my
mind,
like
even
the
Chesapeake
2007,
you
read
a
lot
of
that.
It's
obsolete
I
mean
they
have
like.
You
know,
video
tape,
rental
stores,
I
mean
right,
that's
gone,
I
mean
a
lot
of
those
things
are
gone,
they're
just
non-existent
anymore,
so
and
and
some
of
the
things
that
that
they
have
in
there
have
filled
in
the
in
fill
in
the
the
space.
That's
that's
around
so
I.
B
D
C
I
do
think
we
need
to
bring
in
an
outside
firm
that
has
a
fresh
set
of
eyes
to
look
at
this
situation
and
help
us
guide
us
for
the
future,
and
we
have
a
huge
amount
of
citizenry
that
really
want
to
be
involved
in
this
planning
process.
I
think
it's
imperative
that
we
include
those
people
who
do
live
here
and
and
live
here
year-round,
but
I
also
think
it's
imperative
that
we
include
the
people
who
were
only
here
part
year
because
they
pay
more
taxes
than
the
people
that
live
here.
C
C
I
do
think
that
you
know
it's
fine
to
have
all
these
ideas
and
and
it's
fine
to
have
aqua
doing
what
they're
marketing
and
it's
fine
to
have
the
urban
design
department
doing
their
their
renderings
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
this
has
got
to
be
a
guiding
tool
going
forward
that
someone
from
the
outside
only
someone
from
the
outside
can
bring
fresh
ideas
from
other
communities
that
are
similar
to
ours.
You
know
we
had
slides
in
the
presentation
at
the
town-hall
meeting
of
a
blighted
community
in
West
Palm
Beach.
That's
not
what
we
are.
C
We
don't
have
a
bladed
community
and
an
urban
planner,
that's
familiar
with
other
towns
similar
to
ours
will
tell
us
that
they
will
bring
in
those
comparison.
Ideas
from
communities
that
are
similar
to
us,
so
I
think
it's
imperative
that
we
move
forward
with
this
plan.
Getting
getting
somebody
hired
and
start
the
process,
but
I
do
think.
We
need
to
spread
it
out
over
a
period
of
time
where
we
can
involve
everyone
that
lives
here.
Even
if
it's
only
part
year.
H
I
mean
you
actually
are
saying
what
I'm
saying
is
that
if
we
were
to
get
someone
who
actually
has
that
skill
set,
I
would
want
them
to
write
us.
Our
ideas,
not
just
having
them
facilitate
resident,
syrettes
I,
think
wasting
our
people's
mind
I,
really
like
the
sample,
F
that
when
they
did
I'd,
go
to
F
dot
things
we
already
have
their
new
highway
stuff
and
in
arrest
areas
they
don't
have
people
give
their
ideas
about
the
rest
areas
to
be
designed.
C
H
They
don't
know
they
come
up
with
designs.
First,
then,
you
comment
on
what
that
on
which,
once
out
of
the
choices
they
give
you
they
do.
You
know
to
say
first
they
they
have
a
bunch
of
choice
to
say
a
through
F
and
they
have
different
choices
and
then
residents
come
in
and
then
then
they
comment
on
that
and
then
BEC.
It's
adjusted
off
of
something
designed
off
of
best
practices.
It's
not
from
nowhere
land,
their.
E
Process
their
process
starts
with
resident
in,
but
from
the
very
beginning,
even
before
they
get
to
that
point,
and
so
it
is
a
very
inclusive
process
and
that
the
master
plan
process
before
that
happened
in
2005
was
a
very
inclusive
process
and
and
that
welcomed
everybody
to
participate
in
the
process.
Whether
it
was
a
business
owner
or
a
resident
was
everyone
and
and
it's
it's
providing
that
input.
But
yet
the
expert,
if
the.
E
Expert
then
pulled
it
together
and
provided
that
expertise
on
on
what
is
reality,
what
should
work,
what
shouldn't
work
and
and
I
see
that
that's
it's
I,
think
it's
going
to
work,
I!
Think
it's
going
to
be
a
beautiful
opportunity
for
this
community
to
really
come
together
and
and
bring
everyone
together.
E
The
one
thing
I
I,
see
that
it,
the
words
are
missing
from
this
and
I,
don't
know
where
it
would
go.
But
to
me
an
overarching
goal
is
to
preserve
the
historic
character
of
this
community
and
I.
Think
that
that,
if
that
that
vision,
we
can
embrace
that
vision
and
it's
incorporated
somehow
in
here,
then
it
will
help
us
as
a
community
of
the
he
even
mentioned
at
jaha.
The
austere
care
of
the
community
is
is
critically
important
and.
A
D
That
is
where
we
have
to
set
up
here
and
we
have
to
protect
property
rights
and
we
have
to
you
know,
allow
allow
people
to
use
their
property
in
a
way
that
we
think
is
sufficient
for
our
city,
and
so
so
many
times
that's
looked
down
upon,
and
you
know
it's
just
it's
a
hard
place
to
be
in
because
we
know
we
want
development,
but
we
want
the
right
development.
So
how
do
we
frame
that
to
me
this?
This
RFP
here
is
too
loose.
D
E
Think
what
happened
to
my
when
I
read
through
this
staff
took
everything
that
we
talked
about
to
your
kudos,
are
listening
and
tried
to
pull
it
all
together
and
included
a
Chesapeake
study
and
of
this
study
and
of
that
study,
and
it
may
be.
There
are
resources
out
there
that
we
don't
need
to
have
it
be
so
Chesapeake
study
focused,
but
it
can
be
more
focused
toward
what
more
of
an
architectural.
E
D
B
E
H
Were
dying
in
there,
they
may
never
make
their
money
back
it's
and
that's
the
thing
we
we
need
to
hear
from
what
it
really
is
like
not
in
in
in
theory
land.
We
actually
need
to
know
what
our
business
owners
actually
need,
because
we
talk
about
preserving
our
historic
city
and
only
can
be
if
our
city's
alive
I
mean
we
can't
just
have
the
idea
of
an
historic
city.
That's.
H
Expertise
we
need
experts
who
actually
know
that
I
mean
it's
good.
What
we
thought
of
our
plan
here,
we're
all
not
gonna,
say
well
how
we
envisioned
our
plan
and
how
water
management
should
be.
No.
We
have
a
actual
water
engineer,
give
us
first
parameters.
Then
we
can
comment
on
them
on,
after
that,
not
having
parameters
and
best
practices,
we're
playing
with
ourselves
and
spending
a
lot
of
money,
but.