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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 06-06-18 Part 3
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A
C
C
So
you
have
your
total
revenues.
Equaling,
your
total
expenditures
and
again
when
we
go
in
over
the
loop
project,
you'll
see
we're
gonna
be
using
some
of
our
reserves
from
our
the
one
point:
1
2
million
dollars
that
we
use
for
R&R
it's
set
aside
every
year
and
whatever
is
left
over
each
year,
we've
been
accumulating
and
we
were
hoping
to
say:
hey.
We
won't
need
to
fund
that
this
year,
we'll
use
up
the
rest
of
that
R&R.
C
C
So
these
are
the
projects
that
you
are
used
to
seeing
for
the
R&R
and
we
have
not
really
had
any
changes.
The
only
particular
line
item
under
gravity
sewer
replacement
there
in
fiscal
year
22
in
23,
they're,
decreasing
it
a
little
bit
there
but
they're
increasing
their
other
line
item
for
lift
station
renew
on
replacement.
C
So
we
just
want
to
point
that
out
that
those
are
still
ongoing
projects
they'll,
probably
cross
over
the
fiscal
year
as
they
won't
be
completed
at
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year,
going
under
the
wastewater
projects,
you've
got
wastewater
treatment,
plant
tank
coding
in
fiscal
year
21
we
have
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
permit
renewal
75,000,
along
with
the
deep
injection,
well
permit,
renewal,
75,000
and
those
are
usually
planned
every
five
years.
So
you'll
see
that
in
currently
in
nineteen,
the
mechanical
integrity
test
that
kind
of
goes
along
with
the
deep
injection.
C
Well
that
gets
done
between
fiscal
year
2020
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
deep
injection
well
pump
replacements.
They
had
three
pumps
to
replace
this
final.
Forty
thousand
is
the
third
Tom.
In
fiscal
year
nineteen
wastewater
treatment,
plant
expansion
they
currently
in
fiscal
year.
18
have
started
the
study
and
we
don't
know.
What's
gonna
come
out
of
that
study,
so
we
have
started
putting
some
money
into
the
budget
to
set
aside
for
the
expansion
of
the
plant,
whether
that
amount
is
the
right
amount.
C
Yet
we
won't
know,
but
even
if
it's
in
the
right
years,
but
that's
what
we
have
there
as
some
placeholder
money
and
then
the
loop
force
main
extension-
and
this
is
where
we're
having
the
extra
1.5
million
dollars
for
the
lift
station
and
Tom
can
talk
to
you
about
that.
If
you
need
to
have
any
more
details
on
it,
it's
included
in
the
packet
and
the
detail
sheets,
but
any
questions.
Yes,.
A
What
happened
was
when
we
initially
designed
and
looked
at
designing
the
Jones
lube
force
main
prior
to
modeling
it.
We
thought
we
could
rehabilitate
the
existing
lift
station
and
that
would
be
sufficient,
but
prudence
going
forward
suggested
that
that
week
we
could
not.
We
needed
a
bigger
capacity,
the
capability
of
bigger
pumps
to
handle
all
the
potential
flows
in
that
area.
A
A
Yes
and
and
the
city
manager
has
very
recently
helped
us
acquire
an
easement
to
put
the
lift
station
in
the
pipeline
in
we'd,
originally
asked
Charlotte
County
to
go
in
there
right
of
way.
They
weren't
crazy
about
the
idea
it's
better
off
and
now
we've
secured
an
easement
and
that
that
legal
transfer
is
happening
as
we
speak.
How.
A
Have
all
of
the
permits
we
have
to
do
a
modification
right
now
to
the
permit
to
include
the
new
easement,
because
it's
a
slight
adjustment
to
the
exact
location,
the
lift
station,
as
well
as
the
pipeline.
We
anticipate
that
once
we
have
that
easement
and
we've
we've
corrected
that
and
sent
it
back
out
to
the
review
agencies.
It
should
happen
pretty
quick,
we
hope
to,
and
our
goal
is
to
be
out
to
bid
by
July
late
July,
our
early
September
out
to
bid
for
the
project
itself.
Okay,.
A
A
B
E
Sharon
nippon
burg
controller.
The
connection
fees
are
just
cost
of
operation,
so
it's
the
cost
of
the
meter.
It's
the
cost,
you
have
it
all
hooked
up
and
set
up
in
the
system.
That's
a
that's
a
minor
fee
compared
to
the
impact
fees
are
actually
you
say
for
growth,
but
we're
talking
utility
impact
fees
now
and
those
we've
already
built
our
plants
for
growth.
So
now
they're
helping
us
pay
the
debt
on
those
plants
and
they're
helping
us
pay
for
these
new
expansion
lines
as
they're
identified
that
the
old
line
is
too
small.
B
F
A
C
C
In
our
last
budget,
the
score
18
budget,
we
had
projected
that
we
would
get
3.9
million
from
for
the
additional
amount
over
our
original
thirty
two
point:
two
million
dollar
budget
from
Swift
mud
funding,
additional
grant
funding
and
that
the
city,
their
utilities,
I,
should
say,
would
fund
the
other
three
point:
nine
million
at
this
time,
although
we
are
still
working
to
get
that
grant,
it
may
not
happen.
So.
C
C
Then
we
have
our
Belle
Harbor
pressure
study,
one
hundred
fifty
thousand
in
fiscal
year,
20
the
Hendrickson
Dam
inspection
in
rehabilitation
and
maintenance
program.
That's
twenty
five
thousand
scheduled
every
other
year.
When
funds
aren't
used,
they
do
carry
it
over
in
case.
They
do
need
to
do
some
work
in
a
future
year.
C
The
hydro
biological
monitoring
plan
is
seventy
five
thousand
in
fiscal
year
2020
we
have
elevated
tank
coding
and
those
are
programmed
every
few
years,
so
they
do
have
one
hundred
fifty
thousand
scheduled
for
fiscal
year.
Nineteen
and
the
scu
tank
coding
is
two
hundred
thousand
and
fiscal
year.
2020
any
questions
on
any
of
these
projects,
not.
F
A
question
just
want
to
make
this
statement
regarding
the
the
grant
money
for
the
RO
in
the
previous
councils.
Prior
to
this
cost
of
when
the
RO
plant
was
considered,
the
project
went
forward.
The
numbers
worked
for
not
having
whether
we
got
the
grants
or
not
so
the
grants
are
additional
funds
they're
to
our
benefit
Wheatly,
but
this
project
was
going
to
go
forward
and
and
rightfully
so
without
these
funds,
so
I
thank
Swift
mud
for
their
assistance
and
just
wanted
everybody
to
be
clear.
A
C
C
So
this
is
just
taking
a
look
preliminary.
What
we
have
for
fiscal
year,
nineteen
and
based
off
of
what
we
have
in
fiscal
year:
nineteen,
how
fiscal
years,
20,
21,
22
and
23
would
look
I'm
gonna
go
into
some
more
detail
as
we
go
along,
but
we
can
flip
back
to
the
Performa
as
needed,
just
to
see
where
everything's
at
so
you'll
see
all
of
our
assumptions
and
why
certain
things
have
changed
from
previous
years.
So
the
first
thing
we'll
do
is
go
over
the
revenues
and.
C
Again
it
can
fluctuate
so
much
from
year
to
year
based
on
many
factors.
So
that's
what's
in
there
right
now
again,
we
are
assuming
the
Swift
mud
grant
revenue
for
the
full
50
percent
funding
of
the
RO
project.
But,
alternatively,
we
could
also
use
the
S
or
F
loan
financing
in
fiscal
year.
Nineteen
through
2021,
we
have
the
wastewater
impact
transfer
for
the
balance
on
the
original
1.8
million
dollars
of
the
jones
loop
force
main
project,
because
that
all
came
from
the
operations
fund
in
this
fiscal
year
when
we
transferred
it
over
to
utilities
construction.
C
So
those
are
on
the
1.8.
The
additional
funds
will
go
right
back
to
the
construction
fund
and
then
fiscal
year.
2022
2023
is
the
portion
of
the
debt
service
that
we
feel
is
growth
related
coming
from
water
impact
fee
transfers
to
start
helping
with
that
debt
service
that
we
expect
to
start
into
fiscal
year.
2020.
C
On
the
expense
side,
we
do
have
a
1.25
FTE
increase.
We
have
an
engineering,
GIS
technician
which
was
in
our
plan
last
year
to
start
in
fiscal
year.
Nineteen,
so
it
was
presented
previously,
but
we
just
wanted
to
remind
you
that
that
one
is
in
there
and
in
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
they
have
a
part-time
clerk
that
they
would
like
to
increase
the
hours
from
20
per
week
to
29
per
week.
A
Position
is
actually
a
position
that
the
Utilities
Department
had
and
that
we
it
has
been
vacant
since
the
downturn.
It
was
an
engineering
technician
position
that
that
we've
had
vacant
and
we
did
not
fill
so
it's
not
it's
a
new
position,
yes,
but
in
terms
of
funding,
but
in
the
and
the
total
headcount
it's
been
there
for
quite
a
while.
So.
A
C
Under
the
personnel
they
have
the
same
assumptions
as
the
general
fund,
which
we
went
over
at
the
last
council
meetings.
I
won't
reiterate
those
operations
were
per
Department
and
request
and
they
stayed
within
the
same
guidelines
as
the
other
divisions
for
general
fund.
You
will
see
an
increase
in
computer
overhead
per
the
IT
budget
increases
again
that
were
approved
in
the
last
council
meeting
and
the
general
liability
insurance
was
at
a
5%
estimate.
Increase
currently
and
capital
outlay
is
per
departmental
requests.
C
C
Debt
service
again
was
also
delayed
a
little
bit.
It
will
start
in
fiscal
year
2020.
Now
it
includes
the
15
million
650,000
from
the
original
loan
budget
and
again
we
increased
the
debt
service
on
the
off-chance
that
we,
you
know
if
we
don't
get
this
with
mud
funding.
What
would
our
performer
look
like?
So
the
debt
service
was
increased
to
include
the
3.9
million
dollars
and
then
also,
if
we
think
we
might
be
using
the
state
revolving
loan
fund,
that
also
increases
our
required
reserve.
So
that's
also
included
in
there.
C
Our
current
policies
to
maintain
at
least
a
3.1
million
dollar
operating
reserve-
and
we
also
have
the
1.5
million-
are
in
our
capital
reserve
that
was
previously
established
for
bonded
debt
covenant
and
then
just
to
go
over
considerations
that
are
still
kind
of
outstanding
within
the
utilities
division
is.
There
is
a
pay
plan
study.
That's
on
gonna,
be
coming
back
to
council
and
a
future
meeting
to
talk
about
the
implementation
options.
C
You
have
the
volatility
of
water
and
wastewater
revenues
based
on
various
conditions
and
various
other
factors,
there's
a
septic
to
sewer
master
plan
which
I
believe
is
being
presented
today,
and
then
we
have
the
wastewater
treatment,
plant
expansion,
information
that
we're
waiting
on
to
see
where
that's
going
to
come
in
and
I
Riverside
Drive
wastewater
project
and
that'll
be
coming
back
at
a
future
time
as
well.
But
there
is
a,
although
there
would
be
assessments
for
that
area.
There
would
be
some
infrastructure
that
the
city
would
also
have
to
expend
any
questions.
B
Okay,
next,
we
are
moving
into
our
unfinished
business,
and
the
first
item
is
reconsideration
of
a
city
council
directive
for
development
of
draft
guidelines
for
a
city
center,
increased
building
height,
and-
let
me
just
start
by
saying,
since
we
have
gone
to
the
Commission
on
ethics
and
we
basically
have
a
non-answer
from
them.
At
this
point,
we
did
do
a
formal
retract
request
to
go
to
a
hearing
of
the
Commission
right
now.
What
we
have
is
basically
an
informal
opinion
and
so
based
on
the
fact
that
it's
a
non-answer
I
feel
like
it
is.
B
You
know
that
is
available
to
me
and
I
feel
like
it
would
really
help
anything
moving
forward,
because
we've
had
councilmembers
before
me
during
my
time
that
owned
property
in
town
and
around
town
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
resolved
in
a
formal
matter.
So
with
that
I
will
just
in
an
abundance
of
caution,
not
be
participating.
Okay,.
F
Unfortunately,
it
seemed
to
me
that
the
the
number
that
I
threw
out,
which
was
arbitrary
and
only
meant
that
for
a
conversation
and
nothing
more,
has
clouded
the
conversation
of
the
other
constituents
that
I
think
is
just
as
important
and
since
we've
also
elected
to
go
to
a
a
consulting
firm
to
help
us
sort
out
through
these
things.
I
think
it
would
be
wise
for
us
to
prudent
for
us
to
ask
staff
to
not
give
us
the
formal
presentations.
F
G
Gary
you're
very
good
for
her
bringing
up
subjects
that
are
very
good
with
conversation
with
this
said
as
part
of
this
coming
up.
I
think
that
it's
brought
up
with
the
opinion
that
they
would
opinion
about.
This
is
one
that
we
can
disregard.
The
problem
is,
is
that
his
advice
to
us
is
substantiated
by
well
established
case
law,
regards
of
quasi
judicial
hearings,
because,
if
we
have
a
variance
is
going
to
be
a
quality
to
do
hearing.
G
After
my
first
council
meeting,
I
I
realized
personally,
my
deficiency
and
knowledge,
long
cause
additional
hearings,
and
so
I
actually
went
in
has
special
training
at
the
League
of
Cities.
In
regard
to
this,
just
to
be
able
to
be
more
knowledge
about
this,
and
and
with
this
I
think
that
we
as
a
body
have
to
do
a
better
job
of
sharing
with
citizens.
G
What
our
actual
role
is
during
calls
judicial
hearings,
because
there's
a
perception
that
we
vote
in
these
hearings
that
it
has
to
be
that
is
based
on
perceived
popularity
rather
than
pulpit
evidence,
and
it's
very
apparent
that
not
only
do
we
owe
the
public
a
confirmational
on
our
duties
and
responsibilities,
also
as
council
members,
we
also
need
to
have
an
accurate
understanding
of
what
our
role
ours
as
well,
and
so,
unlike
your
legislative
hearing
like
we
have
in
our
normal
business
and
quasi
judicial
hearing,
the
question
is
not
what
we
want
to
do.
It
is.
G
Does
this
application
do
what
is
required
to
do,
meaning
that
if
we
like
a
project
and
evidence
existed,
it
meets
the
regulatory
requirements
we
can
vote
for
it.
If
we
don't
like
a
project
in
amusement
district
requirements,
we
must
vote
for
it,
and
if
we
like
a
project,
it
does
not
meet
her
requirements.
We
must
not
vote
for
it
regarding
our
decisions
and
cause
you
your
hearings,
if
the
public
does
not
like
the
outcome
of
the
decision,
the
issue
is
actually
this
comprehensive
plan.
This
this
is.
We
have
proceeded
your
hearings.
This
is
this.
G
G
Therefore,
and
problem
is
we
can't
make
arbitrary
decisions,
the
quality
of
your
hearings,
and
so
it's
like
in
the
story
of
the
Emperor.
We
know
wears
new
clothes
where
the
Emperor
is
naked
and
and
only
the
little
boy
has
the
courage
to
say
you
know,
sir
you're
naked.
What
David's
like
the
one
who's
saying
you
know
we're
about
to
get
naked,
but
I'm
trying
to
tell
you
it's
like.
No,
we
don't
want
to
hear
this,
but
I
want
to
give
everyone
every
one
of
us.
G
Oh
I'll
get
this.
Oh,
you
know
justjust,
basically
for
each
case,
I'll
give
four
cases,
so
you
understand
where
we're
coming
from
with
this.
In
the
city
of
Apopka
versus
Orange
County,
in
quote
the
objections
of
a
large
number
of
residents
in
the
affected.
Neighborhood
are
not
of
sound
basis
for
the
denial
of
a
permit.
The
quasi-judicial
function
of
a
Board
of
Adjustment
must
be
exercised
on
a
basis
of
facts
adduced.
Numerous
objections
by
adjoining
landowners
may
not
properly
be
given
a
cumulative
effect,
while
the
facts
disclosed
by
objecting
neighbors
should
be
considered.
G
The
courts
have
said
that
a
mere
poll
of
neighboring
landowners
does
not
serve
to
assist
the
board
in
determining
whether
the
exception
applied
is
consistent
with
the
public
convenience
or
welfare,
or
whether
it
will
tend
to
evaluate
our
neighboring
property.
In
the
city
of
Naples
versus
central
plaza
of
Naples,
the
court
found
that
the
city's
evidence
did
not
substantially
come
for
the
evidence
presented
by
the
appealing.
Concluding
that
the
question
of
whether
the
petition
it
was
not
fairly
available.
The
court
felt
held
that
the
denial,
the
petitioners
arbitrary,
unreasonable
in
your
Bish's
in
Kannada
vs.
G
G
The
general
rule
is
that
zoning
ordinance
must
prescribe
definite
standards
and
that
neither
the
City
Council
the
board
of
appeals
created
by
ordinance
or
statute
nor
the
building
inspector
are
properly
vested
with
discretionary
rights
and
granting
building
permits
or
variances
in
exception
to
the
zoning
ordinance
unless
there's
been
a
definite
standard
to
guide
them
in
the
exercise
of
such
powers,
and
so
with
this
I'm,
letting
make
sure
that
we
know
where
we
really
sink,
but
also
I've
prepared.
A
document
on
quasi-judicial
hearings
for
the
public.
G
I've
put
it
in
PDF
format,
with
hyperlinks
to
the
primary
source
documents.
So
I,
don't
know
whether
we
give
it
to
you
but
I
want
to
make.
You
know.
I
spoke
before
about
increasing
our
level
of
civic
education
and
I.
Think
it's
just
very
important
because
we're
getting
into
more
like
our
next.
For
example,
our
next
meeting
we're
gonna,
have
probably
some
big
projects,
digital
hearings
and
based
on
already
the
discussion
amongst
the
public.
G
It's
showing
that
there's
a
lack
of
understanding
what
our
role
in
the
process
is,
and
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
from
this
point,
that
we
really
cease
and
desist
in
terms
of
allowing
the
public
to
perceive
us.
Our
role
is
not
what
it
is.
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
everyone's
clear,
because
in
this
way
we
can
have
a
much
more
robust
public
conversation,
a
much
more
public
participation
in
a
much
more
productive
way,
as
opposed
to
us
just
being
mad
at
each
other.
G
G
We
don't
act
this
way
towards
each
other
in
Punta
Gorda.
We
do
not
treat
each
other,
as
we
have
over
this
past
year
in
part,
Gorda
we're
exceptional
in
our
capacity
to
empathize,
with
each
other
and
truly
care
for
each
other.
We
do
not
when
having
political
disagreements
resort
to
personal
attacks.
We
do
not
put
each
other
down.
We
do
not
cease
to
appreciate
that
every
one
of
us
is
trying
to
do
the
best
that
we
can
to
try
to
serve
the
city
in
the
best
way.
G
We
can
I
think
in
the
spirit
of
us
as
Ponte.
Gordian
is
always
seeking
to
be
the
very
best
version
of
ourselves
that
we
can
move
to
a
compromise
regarding
this
highest,
acknowledging
both
the
need
for
additional
height
to
preserve
our
economy
and
acknowledging
concerns
among
our
residents
about
any
growth
at
all,
and
they
have
in
it's
like
I
spoken
to
Mitchell
about
this.
G
You
know
spoken
in
very
detail
about
what
we
can
do
to
make
the
numbers
work
as
well
as
not
go
beyond
our
sensitivities,
and
so
we
last
discussed
if
we
were
able
to
do
five
stories
at
a
maximum
with
14
stories
before
right.
That
would
be
70
feet.
Two
stories,
like
you
said,
remain
at
zero
lot
line
three
to
four
stories
would
require
a
10-foot
step
back
and
five
stories
require
a
projected
canopies
and
set
in
setback
and
then
be
the
same
space
requirements
as
before.
G
This
is
a
compromise
that
can
be
both
the
middle
place,
from
which
we
can
begin
to
heal
from
this
dissension
as
original
community,
because
I'm
a
little
worried
that
having
this
in
the
air
will
still
be
a
problem,
a
five
story
maximum
would
not
only
satisfy
it
may
not
satisfy
the
purest
on
either
side,
but
it
will
provide
needed
relief
to
our
business
community.
It
will
establish
architectural
standards
for
future
buildings
and
guaranteed
to
our
restaurant.
Our
residents
concerned
the
buildings
in
the
city.
G
We
will
never
ever
ever
have
skyscrapers
I
think
this
is
the
most
loving
act
that
we
can
do
to
heal
this
tension,
and
so
I
move
that
once
Rachael's
the
ethics
thing
with
Rachel
is
is
resolved
that
we
actually
move
to
a
public
hearing
process
to
vote
on
on
five
stories
of
14
feet
is
Amex
and
I.
Think
we
just
get
this
out
of
the
way
rather
than
having
to
stand
in
the
air
because
I'm,
in
addition
to
it,
not
being
legal,
I
find
that
I.
Don't
think
it's
good
for
us
to
have
this
thing.
G
F
Understand
your
points
and
I
really
take
very
little
argument
with
them.
However,
we
have
already
set
ourselves
on
a
path
to
hire
a
consulting,
firm
and
I.
Think
as
I
stayed
in
my
initial
recommendation.
I
think
it
is
prudent
for
us
to
allow
that
firm
and
its
expertise
to
assist
us
in
the
sorting
where
we
want
to
go
and
how
we
want
to
go
in
the
details.
I'm
not
as
knowledgeable
as
you
are
obviously
and
you've
taken
the
time
to
do
that.
F
We
have
to
lighten
it
up
a
little
bit,
but
we
all
one
of
us
here
has
a
different
set
of
expertise
and
a
different
set
of
flavor
and
that's
what
our
job
is
is
to
our
best
abilities,
as
you
agree
in
a
civil
way
and
a
friendly
way
to
to
offer
that
this
is
such
a
complicated
area,
with
the
take
the
emotion
out
of
it,
which
is
what
we
really
need
to
do
and-
and
this
were
in
complete
agreement.
I.
F
G
F
G
I
mean
I
just
think.
One
thing
with
this
was
one
we
can't
delay
on
this
I
think
because
we
are
in
with
all
the
world
happening
around
us
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
do
once
we
have
to
be
half
our
business
meeting.
We
need
to
actually
move
on
the.
Secondly,
I
do
think
that
a
civic
education
component
is
so
important
for
our
residents
to
be
able
to
contribute
the
very
best
to
this
process.
I
think
it's
the
most
important
that
we
do
this
in
it.
G
I
I'd
be
willing
to
even
once
a
month
put
together,
something
like
what
I
said.
Like
I
said:
I
put
together
something
applause,
you
did
your
hearings
for
the
public,
I
could
put
together
things,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
all
knowledgeable
about
this
process,
so
we're
able
to
participate
in
the
very
best,
most
respirable
manner
as
possible.
D
As
far
as
the
process
is
concerned
and
quasar
judicial
hearings,
you
know
we've
been
to
this
Florida
legacy
training
here
and
we
know
what
that
is.
David
has
coached
us
as
well
when
we
have
these,
how
we
render
the
decisions
based
on
the
facts
and
so
I
think
that
we
we've
done
a
great
job
and
so
to
insinuate
that
we're
not
doing
our
jobs
properly.
I'm
really
kind
of
take
offense
to
that,
and
but
I
would
like
to
say
that
we
have.
D
H
Would
agree
with
that
and
Gary
thank
you
for
bringing
this
back,
because
I
do
think
we
have.
We
do
know
and
understand
the
quasi-judicial
hearing
process
I've
been
doing
this
for
including
my
all
of
my
years
as
a
volunteer.
This
is
my
15th
year.
I
do
not
understand
the
procedures
and
the
policies
that
we
have
to
follow
and
that
you
can't
enter
personal
opinions
into
the
decision-making
part
of
the
process.
H
F
I,
do
not
believe
that
there
was
an
intent
by
councilman
Cummings
to
insuit
to
imply
that
we
weren't
doing
our
job
I
think
what
it
was
relevant
reference
to,
and
it
was
reference
to
my
presentation
and
also
to
my
reason,
for
bringing
this
back
for
reconsideration
right
now
is
in
the
din
of
things.
It
got
out
of
hand.
That's
our
failure,
that's
not
our
intent!
That
doesn't
mean
that
we
had.
You
know
any
intention
to
do
that
or
that
we
were
incompetent.
F
It
is
just
what
happened
and
I
I
want
to
us
to
as
a
community
to
bring
that
din
down,
allow
these
expertise
to
cut
the
experts
to
come
to
us
with
good
recommendations
in
that
process.
Also
educating
all
of
us
and
why
those
recommendations
ago,
that
happened
so
that
we
can
have
a
confident
responsible
conversation
to
come
up
with
the
switz
bets
for
our
community,
and
so
that's
again
the
the
intent.
It's
always
been
the
intent
and
that's
why
I
brought
this
up
so
I.
H
A
Well,
lisa
is
helping
load
up
our
presentation
for
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
Lisa
Tom
Jackson
again
for
the
record
Utilities
Department.
We
have
with
us
today,
Lisa
ray
Jones
Edmonds
and
associates
Lisa's
the
engineer
that
worked
on
our
study
and
brought
our
study
to
completion.
We
did
this
process.
As
you
will
recall.
A
Last
October
you
instructed
us
to
go
forward
in
conjunction
we've,
been
working
with
Charlotte
County,
since
2016
we've
been
involved
going
to
their
meetings
on
their
countywide
sewer
master
plan
and
we
selected
Jones
admin
because
they
did
the
county's
master
plan
to
do
a
mirror
image
of
the
county's
master
plan.
Of
course
we
are
part
of
Charlotte
County,
and
so
in
October.
You
instructed
us
to
go
forward
and
then
come
back
to
you
with
a
draft
master
plan
and
that's
why
we're
here
today
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Lisa.
Thank
you.
A
I
I
Now,
why
do
we
care?
Well?
Charlotte
Harbor
is
currently
listed
as
impaired
by
the
US
EPA
for
four
different
parameters,
and
you
can
see
those
listed
on
your
screen
right
now
and
to
address
those.
The
Florida
Department
of
Environmental
Protection
has
enacted
numeric
nutrient
criteria
for
the
bay
for
the
harbor
I'm.
I
Where
did
these
nutrients
come
from?
They
can
come
from
multiple
sources.
The
atmospheric
deposition,
where
the
nitrogen
just
dissolves
into
the
water,
can't
really
control
that
a
whole
lot
stormwater
runoff.
That
is
a
non
point
source.
It
comes
it's
very
diffused,
it's
all
over
the
place,
and
it
also
does
come
from
human
waste.
Now,
in
a
centralized
sewer
collection
system,
the
waste
is
transmitted
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plants
where
it's
treated
to
a
very
high
quality
that
removes
most
of
the
nutrients.
I
Now
talking
about
septic
systems
that
are
in
the
Punta
Gorda
collection
system,
because
your
service
area
isn't
just
the
city
limits,
it
expands
out
into
the
county
right
now
you
have
2,700
septic
tanks
located
within
your
service
area.
Within
the
city
limits,
all
of
your
services
are
centralized
sewer
systems,
so
that
has
already
been
addressed.
The
areas
that
have
not
been
addressed
are
those
that
are
out
into
the
unincorporated
part
of
the
county.
I
How
does
a
septic
system
operate
now?
This
is
the
important
thing
in
theory
and
in
practice,
in
other
areas,
septic
tank
can
be
very
successful
in
removing
nitrogen
and
nutrients
from
the
wastewater,
so
the
waste
where
it
leaves
the
house
it
goes
into
the
septic
tank
where
the
solids
settle
out.
The
liquids
then
travel
on
to
the
drain
field.
Now
the
drain
field
is
supposed
to
have
a
certain
separation
to
groundwater,
and
what
this
allows
it
to
do
is
the
ammonia.
That's
the
initial
waste
product
goes
through
microorganisms
in
the
ground.
I
Take
the
ammonia,
they
use
it
as
food.
They
convert
the
ammonia
into
nitrate
by
using
oxygen.
That's
in
the
soil,
then,
as
it
continues
to
perk
further
down
through
the
soil.
Other
microorganisms
take
the
oxygen
off
of
the
nitrate,
use
it
as
their
oxygen
source
and
make
nitrogen
gas.
Well,
then,
the
nitrogen
gas
just
goes
up
into
the
atmosphere,
removing
the
nitrogen,
removing
that
nutrient
from
the
water
system
or
from
the
groundwater.
I
Unfortunately,
in
Florida
we
have
a
problem,
it's
called
high
ground
water,
and
so
we
don't
have
that
time
or
that
separation
between
the
drain
field
and
the
groundwater.
That's
going
to
allow
this
to
occur,
so
when
you
have
a
high
groundwater
table,
there
isn't
the
oxygen
present
in
the
soil
for
the
microorganisms
to
use.
They
aren't
able
to
make
the
conversion
to
nitrate,
which
then
does
not
get
converted
to
nitrogen.
So
instead
what
ends
up
happening?
I
I
Now
the
fecal
coliform
is
separate
from
the
nitrogen
and
in
the
chlorophyll
a,
but
it
adds
bacteria
and
when
they
have
beach
closures
and
such
it's
usually
a
measure
of
that
fecal
coliform,
which
can
also
be
coming
from
these
septic
tanks.
I
do
want
to
give
you
a
quick
example
of
a
couple
different
times
of
year
and
what
these
three
items
are
looking
like
in
Charlotte
Harbor.
So
this
is
April
April
as
a
drier
time
of
the
year.
I
So
that's
the
reason
why
the
county,
the
city
are
joining
together
to
work
on
this
master
plan,
because
we
want
to
improve
this
water
quality
and
in
doing
so
we're
looking
at
some
guiding
criteria.
We
want
it
to
be
affordable,
sustainable,
efficient
and
reliable
so
that
it's
something
that
can
be
in
place
and
protect
Harbor
for
the
future.
I
Now,
how
did
we
go
through
this
process?
And
it
really
was
a
cooperative
interactive
process
where
we
had
multiple
workshops.
We
looked
at
the
Punta
Gorda
service
area
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
outlined
in
blue.
The
red
is
the
part
that
is
actually
within
the
city
limits
and,
as
I
said
before,
all
of
that
is
already
on
a
central
sewer
system.
The
areas
that
we
studied
had
to
have
septic
tanks.
I
It
makes
sense-
and
we
also
were
concerned
about
the
dwelling
unit
density,
because
if
you
only
have
one
septic
tank
and
maybe
an
acre
to
the
impact,
is
obviously
going
to
be
much
less
than
you
have
more
condensed
area.
So
we
identified
a
hundred
and
forty
seven
potential
areas
to
examine
in
more
detail.
After
this,
what
we
did
was
we
took
each
of
those
hundred
and
forty
seven
areas,
and
we
looked
at
them
in
terms
of
an
environmental
assessment.
What
is
their
impact
on
the
environment?
I
The
first
one
that
we
looked
at
is
proximity
to
surface
water,
and
the
areas
that
are
shown
in
red
here
are
the
ones
that
are
closest
to
surface
water.
Now,
that
might
seem
a
little
counterintuitive,
because
some
of
those
are
farther
inland.
But
what
I
want
to
point
out
is:
there
are
a
lot
of
surface
water
canals.
I
There
are
open,
ditches,
open
ponds
and
they
directly
flow
into
the
harbor
and,
for
example,
if
we
look
at
this
area
right
up
here
by
the
airport,
you
can
see
there's
a
major
ditch
that
flows
to
the
west
and
then
a
little
bit
to
the
north
and
discharges
right
into
the
Peace
River.
So
all
of
those
lots,
all
of
those
septic
tanks
are
draining
into
that
ditch
and
going
straight
into
the
harbor.
So
though
it
looks
like
it's
very
far
away
in
reality:
it's
not
because
it
nothing
happens.
I
Those
nutrients
are
not
treated
in
the
ditch
system.
The
other
one
is
the
age
of
the
septic
tanks.
Now
a
traditional
drain
field
is
good
for
15
to
25
years
and
then
you're
also
looking
at
a
life
of
a
septic
tank
itself.
The
tank
is
about
40
years.
Well,
if
we
look
at
what
you
have
here
in
Punta
Gorda
of
your
2700
septic
tanks,
1900
of
them
are
greater
than
25
years
old.
So
that
means
their
drain.
Fields
at
this
point
have
already
failed
or
I
would
say,
probably
have
failed.
I
I
cannot
guarantee
that
800
them
are
new
and
a
big
batch
of
your
newer
ones
were
installed
during
the
last
economic
boom
back
around
2004-2005,
which
is
when
a
lot
of
growth
was
taking
place
here
in
Florida.
So
that
was
definitely
a
consideration.
Looking
at
the
age
now,
then
we
looked
at
nitrogen
loading,
and
how
did
we
determine
this?
Well,
every
person
on
average
contributes
about
10
pounds
of
nitrogen
per
year
to
the
environment.
I
In
a
given
year,
we
took
all
of
these
all
three
of
these
environmental
factors
were
weighed
equally
and
combined
and
based
on
that,
we
were
able
to
identify,
which
are
these
zones
or
the
parcels
areas
which
had
the
most
environmental
impact,
and
those
are
shown
here
in
red-
and
you
know
you
can
see
they're
kind
of
clustered
close
to
your
you're
already
seward
area.
So
that
is
a
benefit
right.
I
There
you
get
out
in
to
more
towards
the
east
part
of
the
service
area
and
you're
in
a
more
rural,
more
larger
lots
more
spread
out,
so
you
have
less
of
an
impact.
Now.
What
can
we
replace
these
with?
Well,
you
already
have
an
existing
drain
coming
out
of
the
house,
a
lateral
coming
out
of
the
house
going
to
a
septic
tank
and
there's
really
four
options
that
we
can
look
at
low
pressure
step
systems
is
one
of
them.
You
leave
the
same
septic
tank
in
place.
You
attach
a
new
container
to
it.
I
Instead
of
going
to
a
drain
field,
the
liquid
drains
into
a
system
a
pump
is
in
the
system
and
it
pumps
from
there
to
the
central
collection
system.
This
means
that
there
would
be
an
individual
pump
at
every
single
house,
which
could
really
add
some
of
the
maintenance
and
some
of
the
inconvenience
for
homeowners.
Another
one,
that's
very
similar
to
that
is
a
grinder
pump
station.
But
in
this
situation,
you're
removing
the
septic
tanks,
and
so
the
grinder
pump
actually
does
exactly
what
it
says.
I
It
grinds
up
any
solids
that
make
their
way
into
the
tank
or
into
the
holdings,
and
so
from
there
it
pumps
to
the
central
collection
system
again,
so
both
of
those
are
more
invasive.
With
the
homeowners
you
have
the
pumps
on-site
they're,
going
to
require
more
ain´t
maintenance,
and
you
know
so.
Those
were
two
that
we
discussed
and
decided
really
those
aren't
the
best
fit
for
the
Punta
Gorda
residents
and
for
your
collection
system
as
a
whole.
So
that
left
two
other
options.
I
We
have
a
vacuum
collection
system
which,
with
so
with
a
vacuum
system,
what
happens?
Is
you
have
a
vacuum
pump
that
is
keeping
a
negative
pressure
on
the
pipes
and
the
liquid
flows
out
of
the
house
into
a
gravity
sump,
which
is
that
one
Basin
shown
on
the
left
there?
It
has
like
a
pneumatic
valve
that
when
the
float
gets
up,
the
level
in
there
gets
up
to
a
certain
point.
It
opens
and
then
the
vacuum
that's
kept
on
the
other
pipe
sucks,
the
water
out.
I
Now
you
have
one
of
those
sumps
for
every
about
three
to
four
houses
and
the
stumps
do
have
moving
pieces
in
them
and
do
require
regular
maintenance,
but
it.
But
it's
not
an
individual
pump.
That
requires
electricity
and
it's
a
little
more
diverse
and
diffused
I
mean
because
it's
one
per
four
houses
and
then
you
also
have
the
gravity
collection
system.
Now
the
gravity
collection
system
is
the
most
passive
system
when
it
comes
to
the
residents
what
they're
gonna
see
and
what
they're
going
to
experience.
I
I
So
then
we
looked
at
them
in
terms
of
costs
well
again
low
pressure,
step,
low
pressure,
grinder
of
are
more
expensive.
They
each
have
separate
little
pumps
and,
in
the
long
run,
they're
going
to
be
much
more
maintenance
of
an
intensive
than
the
vacuum
collection
and
the
gravity
they're
relatively
close
in
some
situations,
vacuums
a
little
less
in
some
situations,
gravity's
a
little
less.
It
kind
of
depends
on
where
you're,
at
with
your
numbers,
but
the
advantage
to
the
gravity
system
is
you
already
have
the
equipment
to
maintain
it?
I
You
already
know
how
to
maintain
it.
You
have
the
parts,
the
familiarity,
so
we're
not
introducing
something
that
is
completely
different
and
because
of
that,
looking
at
all
of
those
considerations,
the
constructability
reliability,
ease
of
maintenance,
the
capital
costs
and
onm.
How
much
is
it
going
to
cost
in
the
long
run
to
maintain
because
a
gravity
system
can
go
in,
you
can
leave
it
alone
for
40
years
and
really
not
have
to
do
a
whole
lot
to
it.
So
the
selected
option
was
going
with
a
gravity
sewer,
as
we
were
moving
forward
with
this
evaluation.
I
Now
we
took
all
of
this,
the
environmental,
the
costs,
the
input
from
the
utilities,
the
sequencing
and
current
projects,
and
we
prioritized.
Where
are
we
going
to
start?
Where
do
we
want
to
do
this
work?
So
31
prioritized
project
areas
were
identified
from
147
original.
Those
were
consolidated
down
into
seven
different
areas,
and
in
these
seven
areas
we
would
be
removing
almost
1,400
septic
things
and
it's
just
a
little
over
2,300
lots
and
here's
a
breakdown
in
the
areas.
I
As
you
see,
we
get
it
progressively
fewer
Lots
as
we
move
forward
in
time,
so
the
intent
is
to
get
the
biggest
bang
for
your
buck
right
at
the
beginning,
and
let's
look
real
quick
at
each
of
the
areas.
A
little
closer.
You
can
see
the
proximity
to
your
existing
collection
system,
which
does
help
in
terms
of
constructability
and
reliability
and
with
the
first
three
areas.
All
of
them
would
go
to
lift
station
64.
I
One
of
your
existing
lift
stations
for
pumping
so
you'd
have
individual
systems
set
up
with
smaller
lift
stations,
they'd
go
to
64,
and
so
those
would
all
kind
of
work
together
very
well.
Then
we
get
to
the
next
zone
the
four
or
five
and
six
fewer
houses
out
here
and
the
area
blue
up
there
between
five
and
six.
I
We
block
that
out
because
it's
really
it's
more
wetlands
and
so
the
assumption
and
the
overall
assessment
is
it's
very
unlikely
to
be
developed
because
of
the
wetlands
that
are
there,
but
again
that
area
already
had
fewer
homes.
So
the
impact
isn't
is
right
and
again
it
for
two
of
them:
they're
going
to
existing
lift
stations,
one
of
the
areas
area,
six
would
pump
directly
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
then
zone
seven,
which
is
the
one
with
the
fewest
Lots
on
it,
and
it's
kind
of
removed
from.