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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 6-7-17 Part 4
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A
What
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
a
an
urban
design
standpoint,
a
very
professionally
done,
well-thought-out
proposal,
an
idea
to
wet
your
whistle
that
doesn't
mean
that
as
a
policy,
a
City
Council
has
to
go
out
and
do
it
it's
again,
community
members
coming
forth
with
ideas
on
how
best
to
use
a
particular
piece
of
property.
This
happens
to
be
a
city-owned
piece
of
property.
A
C
Like
to
start
since
I
started
it
in
a
way:
okay,
I'm,
the
instigator
I
guess
in
some
respect,
Julia
Julie
had
approached
me
after
we
had
visited
this
developer
as
they
had
stated,
and
all
of
us
are
from
Chicago
and
the
reason
that
ties
in
and
is
in
Chicago
there's
a
neighborhood
called
Caldwell
woods,
which
is
a
number
of
homes,
that's
built
within
a
park.
I
County,
Park,
Preserve,
it's
a
beautiful
neighborhood,
and
it's
been
that
way
for
over
50
years,
it's
used
by
the
public,
there's
some
nice
upscale
homes
there
so
forth.
C
C
One
of
the
things
I
think
we
heard
from
Jerry
Paul,
for
example,
is
we
seem
to
work
better
together
and
we
have
ideas,
and
even
when
we
disagree,
we
have
them
to
like
each
other,
and
we
respect
each
other,
and
we
saw
that
even
with
the
some
of
the
people
that
are
not
for
this
project,
but
it
expect,
as
it
have
expressed
their
respect
for
the
effort
and
the
concept
that
printing
this
idea
together.
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea.
C
Here
we
have
something:
that's
considerably
more
modest
that
and
we
don't
even
know
if
a
builder
would
be
interested
in
doing
this.
By
the
way
we
don't
know
if
the
numbers
would
work
or
so
forth,
but
if
there
was
a
builder
out
there,
they
would
entertain
this
and
we
were
to
entertain
something
like
this.
This
is
a
way
to
get
a
number
of
those
amenities
for
the
city
to
a
permanent
part
situation.
I
had
three
minutes
a
certainty,
no.
C
Anyway,
I
would
I
would
encourage
others
to
also
come
by
come
forward
to
us
with
ideas
so
that,
as
a
council,
we,
as
a
council
of
who
we
are
today,
can
have
some
influence
on
how
this
property
is
really
going
to
be
used
in
the
future.
Ten
years
from
now,
there
could
be
a
council
up
here
that
has
no
empathy
to
the
concept
of
open
spaces
at
all
and
they've
put
condos
in
there
or
something
that
answer
we
don't
know
and
may
not
have.
C
It
may
not
change
in
perpetuating,
but
we
have
a
billet
II
to
solicit
ideas
such
as
this
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
idea.
I
think
it's
a
quality
idea
and
other
ideas,
whether
it's
to
put
other
types
of
facilities
there,
but
not
to
leave
it.
Just
this
battleground
I
think
it's
something
that
we
should
use
to
connect.
C
Basically,
four
of
the
five
voting
districts
that
we
have
within
the
city,
because
it's
in
that
kind
of
a
unique
spot,
whether
it's
historic
district
or
through
our
three
districts
on
the
PGI,
with
what's
going
to
be
going
on
now
with
the
impact
with
the
old
impact
facility.
What's
going
on
in
Fisherman's
Village
and
the
rejuvenation
project
that
we
have
in
Gilcrest,
Park
I
think
this
can
all
subside
to
that
open
space
wise.
We
are
northwest
side
heavy
compared
to
other
communities
in
the
in
the
best
of
all
possible
worlds.
We
would
have
these
purposes.
C
We
have
more
evenly
spread
out
through
our
community,
but
they're
not
they
tend
to
be
concentrated
in
the
historic
and
eastern
side
of
PGI
for
the
most
part,
so
I
just
want
to
open
up
the
conversation
and
just
I've
made
my
feelings,
gone.
I
think
this
is
a
quality
idea,
first
least
seriously.
Consider.
D
We
don't
know
what
we
may
need
it,
for
there
are
many
many
options
that
are
available
to
us,
and
while
this
is
a
great
idea,
it's
an
idea
and
I
think
we
should
continue
to
solicit
ideas
and
see
what
flows
to
the
top
at
the
end
of
all
of
this.
But
right
now,
I
think
we're
moving
way
too
fast
on
trying
to
approve
something
just
to
get
something
built
on
this
land.
It
is
not
my
opinion
that
we
should
do
that.
D
I
think
that
we
should
keep
it
for
future
use
for
all
citizens
in
the
community.
We
do
on
the
land.
We
don't
have
a
need
to
sell
the
land
right
now
and
I
think
we
should
continue
to
leave
it
status
quo
until
we
find
a
use
that
actually
makes
sense
for
everyone
in
the
community.
The
citizens
have
spoken
loud
and
long
and
numerous
I
received
over
50
emails
in
this.
D
In
the
last
four
days
alone,
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
wrote
letters
to
all
of
us
and
not
one
of
them
supported
this
idea,
not
one
of
them
supported
moving
forward
with
giving
the
land
away
or
selling
the
land
or
moving
the
dog
park.
God
forbid,
we
would
move
the
dog
park
and
I
have
to
agree.
We've
just
spent
a
lot
of
money
fixing
the
dog
park
up
and
I.
Think
people
want
it
there.
They
don't
want
it
to
be
moved.
D
D
Under
no
circumstances
should
we
ever
consider
donating
the
land
to
a
developer,
to
build
homes
on
it
and
then
forcing
them
to
build
a
city
park
adjacent
to
it
that
we
want.
The
city
needs
to
control
any
development
of
a
city
park
that
ever
gets
built
in
the
city
when
we
control
the
land
and
I
mean
I,
don't
support
it.
So
that's
my
comment.
I
mean.
B
I
guess
I'm,
with
Lynn
on
some
of
what
you
said
is
that
when
we
went
through
this
process
in
October,
we
heard
loud
and
clear
people
want
to
reserve
it
and
I
believe
somewhat
my
idea
to
put
the
library
over
there,
but
the
whole
time
I've
been
on
council.
It's
been
considered
surplus.
Well,
the
citizens
don't
see
it
that
way.
They
see
it
as
their
piece
of
property
and
I
think
the
status
quo.
You
know
we
can't
make
it
forever.
Everything
we
do
here
can
be
overturned
as
a
next
council
meeting.
B
Unfortunately,
that's
local
government
the
way
it's
structured
but
status
quo
for
me,
like
you,
said
about
the
dog
park,
we
finally
got
the
neighbors
okay
with
the
dog
park.
We
put
the
money
in
the
fencing
we
just
did
the
ground
work.
Then
we
had
vandalism
there
we
put
money
in
that
we
helped
them
come
to
a
solution
with
their
doggie
tools.
I
mean
the
people
and
there's
already
a
parking
lot
there
to
build
another
parking
lot
at
this
point.
B
B
F
B
F
You
know
I,
concur
in
a
sense
where
I
think
one
thing
we
don't
consider
enough
is
that
many
of
our
residents
they
get
to
a
point
with
age
that
the
house
becomes
too
big
and
are
their
health
challenge,
and
we
really
are
woefully
inadequate
in
terms
of
having
residential
facilities
for
older
people,
despite
having
second
oldest
population
to
the
country
and
I
find
that
this
would
be
I.
Think
in
the
cities
that
just
there's
a
very,
very
good
use
of
space.
F
What
assisted
living
in
with
the
sit
also
not
probably
banging
this
drum
a
million
times.
This
also
would
help
bring
our
ratio
of
commercial
residential
taxes
into
more
to
the
sustainable
level
because
of
the
fact
it
actually
be
tax
but
commercially,
as
well
as
giving
year-round
good-paying
jobs
to
people,
because
these
are
things
we
often
don't
think
about,
because
a
lot
of
us
are
retired,
but
forest
even
have
the
amenities
to
take
care
of
retire
people.
F
We
have
to
take
care
of
the
working
people
year-round
and
so
I
do
think
that
maybe
not
at
this
moment,
though
I
do
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I
do
think
that
a
Southport,
Square
type
scenario,
I
think
is
needed
here
if
actually
more
than
one
and
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
space,
because
it
covers
many
bases
that
are
much
used
to
many
people
on
earth
communities.
H
G
Also
think
that
this
is
a
beautiful,
beautiful
presentation
and
I
love.
The
creativity
and
I
think
that
that's
I
was
not
in
favor
of
us
doing
anything
previously
and
I
continue
to
still
be
that
way.
I
feel
that
we
will
see
once
the
new
library
is
built,
I
think
that
we
will
start
to
see
some
something
emerging
that
will
say
this
is
this
makes
sense
to
us
what
comes
next?
What
what?
G
What
is
that
need
and
what
woodlot
and
logically
flow
it
might
require
us
to
move
the
dot
park
down
the
road,
because
it
makes
sense
to
do
that.
But
I
think
that
when
we
approach
that,
then
the
community
is
going
to
say,
yeah
makes
sense
and
so
I
think
for
us
to
just
really
jump
the
gun
right
now
and
do
this
while
I
think
it's
beautiful,
I
just
think
we're
pushing
it's.
C
Anybody
didn't
notice,
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea.
However,
my
motivation
and
I
go
back
to
what
I
said
last
year.
My
motivation
was:
is,
to
start
a
serious,
active
pre-emptive
conversation
on
how
to
use
this
property
for
the
benefit
and
the
value
for
the
city.
I'm
not
really
advocating
that
we
get
down
to
the
bog
down
the
detail
and
what
the
landscaping
isn't
a
dog
park
or
how
many
spaces
the
dog
park,
but
they
have
a
conversation,
as
Nancy's
pointed
out.
C
We
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen,
but
I
think
now
sit
as
the
library
gets
finished,
and
is
this
this?
It
is
a
wonderful
piece
of
property
to
do
something
with
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
an
active
conversation
rather
than
waiting
for
somebody
to
come
and
say,
we'd
like
to
build
an
assisted
living
their
facility.
Here,
then,
we
have
a
big
conversation
about
all
the
details
of
it
or
somebody
wants
to
put
in
fifty
four
cottages.
C
I
would
like
to
see
us
have
a
conversation
where
we
as
a
city
take
control
of
how
the
conversation
for
this
piece
of
property
develops
and
when
I
approached
Julie
and
Julie
and
they
or
they
approached
me,
I
should
say-
and
we
discussed
that
that
was
the
whole
motivation.
It
wasn't
that
this
is
the
way
to
go.
There's
no
builder
behind
this
there's
no
money
behind
us.
There's
nobody
behind
the
scenes.
C
That's
chomping
at
the
bit
to
build
these
homes
that
wasn't
the
whole
purpose
of
this
exercise,
but
rather
to
have
a
real,
serious,
ongoing
conversation
on
how
to
bring
value
to
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
For
this
piece
of
property.
It's
already
changed
since
last
year,
because
impact
was
just
purchased
by
Fisherman's
Village.
It's
already
changing
from
the
stand
point
as
we're
already
talking
about.
For
example,
one
of
the
one
of
the
citizens
brought
up
a
Senior
Center.
C
B
B
There
I
mean
we've
gotten
it
with
your
help
under
control,
we're
not
getting
the
complaints,
and
everybody
knows
that
the
red
light
darn
to
call
that
phone
number
and
report
it
yeah
the
tank
we're
going
to
have
to
live
with
the
tank
and
I
think
we've
done
a
good
job
of
keeping
the
dog
sort.
People
happy
yeah,
so
that
is
close
is
good.
With
me.
Nancy
yeah,
I.
G
Was
sad,
I
think
we
do
a
lot
of
planning
I,
think
our
urban
design
team
hats
off
to
them
for
all
that
we
do
around
our
community
and
that
we
have
done
as
Howard
suggested
so
I,
don't
think
we're
really
sitting
back
and
we'll
be
able
to.
You
know
we'll
feel
good
about
whatever
it
is
that
we
eventually
do
with
that
property,
I'm,
convinced,
yeah
and
but
I
just
don't
feel
that
it's
jumping
into
something
as.
C
C
C
These
two,
ladies
of
gunforce,
is
to
bring
these
kinds
of
out-of-the-box
ideas
in
a
concrete,
manageable
and
thoughtful
ways,
rather
than
through,
through
the
the
talk
over
an
adult
beverage
to
bring
it
to
us
and
us
to
engage
with
them
in
a
very
meaningful
and
direct
way,
with
the
hurt,
with
staff
with
the
citizens
and
with
Council
on
an
ongoing
basis.
I.
D
C
C
I
C
J
J
J
We
never
would
have
presented
this
because
it
would
make
no
sense
to
present
something
that
you
know
is
going
to
be
shut
down,
but
each
one
of
you
I
think
you
have
to
remember
our
conversations.
Each
one
of
you
gave
us
positive
feedback
that
this
was
something
that
you
would
seriously
consider
today.
B
B
J
But
what
I'm,
trying
to
impress
my
point
is:
is
that
if
you
know
Gary
is
talking
about
citizens
coming
forward
with
ideas,
I
listened
to
each
of
you
speak
when
we
swore
we
met
individually
and
I.
Listen
to
you
speak
today
and
I'm
hearing,
sometimes
a
complete
reversal
of
what
I
heard
when
we
met
with
you.
So
in
a
way,
I
feel
that
if
this
is
this
is
the
type
of
thing
that
is
common,
that
politics
will
will
affect
your
decisions.
J
Then
you
need
to
inform
the
citizens
who
do
come
forward
and
spend
their
own
time
to
do
something
like
this.
You
need
to
inform
them
that
you
know
I
may
be
for
this
today,
but
I
may
be
completely
against
the
tomorrow
and
or
or
I'm
on
the
fence
right
now,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
anything
to
discourage
you
beyond
that,
but
or
to
just
say
flat-out
I'm
against
it
plain
what
you
said
today
was
a
hundred
eighty
degrees.
J
D
D
In
the
city
that
happens
is
about
what
I
want.
This
is
about
what
the
citizens
that
live
in
this
community
want,
and
if
the
citizens
are
telling
me,
that's
not
what
they
want.
Then
that's
what
I
have
to
represent
the
other
council
members.
I'm,
sorry,
that's
it!
It
has
changed
and
I'm
not
going
to
deny
that
at
all
I
haven't.
J
B
Let
me
just
frame
this
in
and
then
we
can
have
Howard
chime
in
and
then
be
done
is
that
we
get
proposals
all
of
the
time.
Even
staff
comes
up
with
proposals
and
he
floats
them
to
us
one
on
one
at
our
briefings
and
it
takes
one
person
to
get
it
put
on
an
agenda.
Okay,
so
somebody
must
have
said.
Yes,
we
want
to
hear
this.
No
decision
gets
made
until
this
discussion
at
this
Dyess
takes
place.
We
can't
even
talk
okay,
I
know.
E
B
Is
a
big
part
of
I
know
you
are
you're,
taking
this
a
little
personal,
because
your
work
is
outstanding
and
I.
Think
I
reflected
that
to
you.
I
thought
your
video
and
everything
was
so
detailed
and
so
great
I
never
once
said,
I
think
we
should
do
this
tomorrow
that
never
came
out
of
my
mouth.
Okay,
so
I
think
the
process
is
a
little.
B
You
know,
and
once
this
goes
out
on
a
council
agenda,
that's
a
lot
different
than
you
and
I
sitting
in
a
room
looking
at
it
on
a
laptop
computer
and
that's
where
things
evolve
and
things
change
and
we
engage
the
public
and
then
they
show
up
today
and
they
give
us
their
opinions.
So
the
process
may
not
be
so
friendly
as
friendly
as
it
should,
and
we
get
proposals
all
the
time
and
some
of
them
never
even
make
it
this
far.
B
A
A
Sometimes
we
come
out
of
the
one-on-one
and
I
may
think
it's
going
to
go
in
a
certain
direction
and
then,
when
council
members
have
an
opportunity
for
the
very
first
time
to
discuss
a
topic
and
they're
all
here
together,
that's
when
they
can
get
input
from
one
another
that
they
can't
get
through.
Our
one-on-ones
city
manager
is
not
allowed
to
tell
another
council
member
what
the
other
council
members
are
thinking.
So
a
lot
of
times
what
we
think
may
what
we
think
is
staff
may
happen.
A
Doesn't
it
turns
out
differently
when
it
gets
in
front
of
the
council?
We
do
not
take
this
personally,
it's
just
part
of
the
way
we
do
business
in
with
the
Sunshine
Law
in
the
state
of
Florida
and
and
that's
how
we
operate.
So
it
was
a
discussion.
The
council
members
up
here
heard
each
other
for
the
very
first
time.
E
I
just
like
to
make
one
final,
quick
point
and
I
I
do
thank
each
and
every
I
do
think
each
and
every
one
of
you
you're
serious
consideration.
I
really
do
we're
living
in
an
era
where
sometimes
the
information
that
we
receive.
The
news
that
we
see
can
also
be
biased
as
well.
Okay,
so
factor
in
the
people
that
may
have
contacted
you
through
emails
and
such
may
not
represent
the
entire
citizen
community,
especially
now
you
know
what
is
summer
and
people
have
said
you
know,
half
of
our
residents
are
gone
right
now.
E
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
going
to
encourage
have
you
gone
forward
with
this
design
was
to
was
to
conduct
a
community
survey
similar
to
what
you're
doing
with
the
Aquatic
Center
at
Gilcrest.
So
perhaps
at
some
future
point
/
what
Gary
was
suggesting
that
you
may
want
to
go
forward
and
ask
the
community
in
a
survey,
perhaps
13,
Punta
Gorda,
what
the
best
ice
use
most
popular
use
of
this
land
would
be
I.
E
Think
Julie
and
I
really
wanted
to
try
and
preserve
as
much
as
this
land
for
public
use
as
possible
into
Gary's
point.
We
really
don't
know
who's
going
to
be
on
council
in
two
years,
four
years
six
years
and
would
be
a
shame
if
your
efforts
for
beautification
and
for
open
space
could
be
lost
and
that's
a
risk
that
we
run.
So
it's
it's
great
to
be
proactive,
maybe
go
forward
with
some
sort
of
a
survey
and
ask
the
people
with
what
their
wishes
might
be.
Thanks.
B
B
H
As
we
do
at
this
time,
every
year
with
the
fleur-de-lis
city's
annual
conference
coming
up,
the
City
Council
needs
to
select
a
voting
delegate
for
the
business
meetings
and,
if,
if
you
would
like,
you
can
also
select
an
alternate
in
case
that
person
can't
serve
someone
else
attending
the
conference
to
possibly
attend
that
business
meeting.
So
I'm.
H
F
G
B
H
B
H
H
We
have
a
three-year
term
as
an
alternate
on
the
building
board.
We
have
an
unexpired
term
on
the
bridge,
store
Alcon,
Advisory
Committee.
We
have
two
three
year
terms
on
the
Planning
Commission
and
we
have
one
unexpired
term
on
the
clinic
or
to
Isles
canal
advice.
Moving
on
denominations.
We
have
one
unexpired
term
on
the
building
board.
We
do
have
one
eligible
applicant
if
you'd
like
to
nominate
and
a
point
now,
nominee
and.
G
B
H
B
As
all
have
okay
quickly,
I
know
when,
while
that
we
passed
a
resolution
to
recommend
that
Susan
Haney
president
of
the
Florida
League
of
Cities,
be
appointed
to
the
CRC
that
the
Jerry
call
was
talked
about
this
morning,
she
did
not
get
appointed,
but
our
friend
Carlos
Peru,
is
the
chairman
of
the
CRC.
So
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
information
with
you.
I
thought
that
was
very
interesting.
Okay,
do
we
have
any
other
policy
and
legislation,
no.
C
B
So
he's
the
chair
of
the
CRC
I
did
attend
the
nominating
committee
for
the
Florida
League
of
Cities
and
we
have
two
strong
candidates
for
second.
Vice
president,
it's
not
going
to
be
an
easy
decision,
but
it
was
a
very,
very
good
meeting
and
we
know
Southwest
Florida
League
and
the
mana
totally
we're
talking
about
having
a
a
joint
meeting
sometime.
So
that's
step
in
a
right
direction.
To
so
all's
good-
and
hopefully
you
all
returned.
The
conference
is
possible.
You'll
get
a
lot
out
of
it,
and
registrations
are
open.
B
A
F
D
I
So
those
are
you
don't
know
every
row,
citizens
of
20
Gordon
I
was
sitting
in
this
wound
up
about
13
years.
Second
set
of
seats.
In
fact,
I
would
kind
of
ask
that
you
remember
and
recall
the
historically
the
people
who
sit
out
there
and
say
no
are
generally
a
minority
that
have
a
very
strong,
not
in
my
backyard
or
other
type
mentality,
and
they
organize
well,
and
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
city
put
in
order.
The
county
will
see
very
much
but
nationally
or
statewide.
The
negatives
tend
to
be
overheard
and
overrun.
I
I
So
I
can't
reiterate
what
was
just
said
that
you
guys
are
elected
by
the
citizens
as
a
whole,
not
necessarily
the
people
in
the
room
by
the
way
you
guys
that
are
remaining
probably
did
the
best
job
coming
in
factually
talking
about
facts,
rather
than
also
all
remarks
of
any
what
I've
heard
in
here,
but
please
remember
that
once
you're
elected
you
really
represent
everybody,
both
the
silent
majority
and
the
noisy
minority
or
majority.
Is
they
maybe
and
that's
not
a
commentating
person
in
the
room?
Just
a
general
observation,
you
guys
do
a
good
job.