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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 07-03-19 Part 4
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A
Okay,
here
are
the
compare
the
players
demographics,
so
we
talked
to
20
verified
players
who
live
in
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
and
who
are
frequenters
of
Gilcrest
Park.
So
for
these
folks
they
play
a
lot.
Nine
played
two
to
three
times
a
week.
Eleven
play
four
times
a
week.
All
are
motivated
by
the
attributes
that
we
saw
earlier
it's
a
good
time.
It's
healthy.
They
enjoy
the
camaraderie,
the
preference
for
plain
location,
eleven
play
in
both
courts.
That
would
be
pickle
flex
and
Gilcrest
eight.
A
Only
when
a
play
at
Gilcrest
and
one
only
wants
to
play
at
pickle
plex,
we
asked
them
if
they
would
compromise
with
the
neighborhood.
In
order
to
maintain
the
courts.
12
said
they
would
play
with
noise-reducing
equipment.
For
said
no
and
Forest
said
they
were
unsure
if
they
would
use
that
equipment.
Another
comment
I'd
like
to
see
a
compromise
like
maybe
on
hours
and
days
of
week,
and
then
finally,
we
have
a
player
who
believes
that
the
other
players
have
already
given
enough
and
actually
what
have
the
homeowners
done.
A
So
now,
let's
talk
about
the
residents.
In
this
case,
we
interviewed
35
nearby,
Punta
Gorda
residents
between
May,
2nd
and
June
3rd
and
by
nearby
I
mean
west
Retta
and
the
streets
that
are,
you
know
very
close
to
Jason
Sea
to
the
park.
I
think
we
talked
to
9
or
10
folks
who
live
on
West
Retta
and
for
the
record,
I
will
say
that
neither
my
husband
nor
I
participated
in
the
survey.
Ok,
so
8
place
socially
and-
and
this
comment
really
says
it
all
and
mirrors
everything
you
hear
about
the
benefits
of
this
board.
A
We
love
it.
It's
a
great
form
of
exercise
mentally
physically
we've
met
a
lot
of
people.
It
really
helped
us
integrate
into
a
new
community.
18,
however,
said
they
can
hear
the
sound
of
play
to
some
degree.
Yes,
but
not
all
of
the
time.
Yes,
we
can
hear
it
inside
if
the
lanai
or
back
windows
are
open.
Yes,
inside
and
outside
I
know,
when
it's
8
o'clock
a.m.
and
I
know
when
it's
8
p.m.
yes,
we
can
hear
it
if
we
are
outside
and
can
certainly
hear
when
we
walk
into
the
park.
A
Ken
say
the
sound
of
pickleball
has
affected
their
health
and
lifestyle.
Yes,
my
hobby
is
gardening
and
I
no
longer
enjoy
it,
because
the
noise
has
such
a
negative
effect
on
my
mental
health.
I
don't
play
tennis
at
Gilcrest
anymore.
Yes,
the
noise
has
affected
my
health.
We
can
no
longer
sit
outside
and
I
thought.
This
was
interesting.
I
hosted
a
small
wedding
in
my
house
back
in
December,
my
guests
kept
asking.
What
is
that
noise
I
no
longer
walk
my
dog
in
the
park?
It
just
isn't
pleasant.
A
Sixteen
sight
other
pickleball
play
issues,
especially
parking
people.
Yelling
parking,
increased
traffic
traffic
is
a
huge
problem.
Thirteen
are
open
to
compromise.
Others
are
not
reduce
hours
of
play,
no
tournaments
lessons
or
leagues,
and
no
night
play
yes
down
to
four
courts.
Quiet
balls
and
paddles
no
play
on
Sunday
know.
If
city
council
decides
to
keep
pickleball
and
Gilcrest
Park
will
move.
No.
The
activity
belongs
in
a
sports
park.
This
one
I
thought
was
you'll
all
appreciate
this
one.
They
are
united
in
their
dislike
of
the
wall.
A
Putting
up
the
wall
around
the
courts
is
the
craziest
insane
idiotic
idea.
We
feel
it
detracts
from
the
beauty
of
the
park
as
well
as
limits
the
view
$20,000
of
our
tax
money
has
gone
to
pickle
Plex.
Don't
understand
why
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
has
to
be
spent
on
acoustic
vents
impact
to
play
on
property
values.
A
Again
there
are
mixed
views
on
whether
or
not
that
has
affected
people's
ability
to
sell
their
homes
and-
and
if
you
looked
at
our
bigger
report
and
I
understand,
it
was
daunting
for
some
but
inside
there
is
an
interesting
article
that
speaks
to
the
factors
that
determine
whether
your
house
is
going
to
sell,
and
there
are
many
things
that
go
into
that.
So
it's
the
condition
of
the
dwelling
and
it's
how
its
laid
out.
A
It's
there's
all
kinds
of
things
that
go
into
that
decision
and
clearly
the
environment
in
which
your
house
is
situated
is
a
factor
and
anecdotally.
We
have
heard
from
some
real
estate
agents
that,
while
pickleball
might
not
be
a
deterrent
to
a
house,
sale
may
lower
the
number
of
people
who
are
willing
to
look
at
that
house.
You
know
they
might
say:
I
love
the
house,
but
you
know
they
have
to
do
the
trade-off,
if
that's
worth
it
for
them.
So
here
are
three
representative
answers
from
our
interview
subjects.
A
Our
house
is
not
on
the
market,
but
if
it
was,
we
would
have
a
difficult
time
of
selling
due
to
the
constant
noise.
I
will
tell
you
that
we
found
that
virtually
none
of
these
people
have
had
a
recent
appraisal
of
their
home,
but
these
are
sort
of
what
they
think
this.
One,
though,
is
someone
who
had
been
has
been
still
trying
to
sell
a
house.
Our
house
did
not
sell
because
of
pickelball
prospective
buyers
stated
verbally
and
in
writing.
They
would
not
buy
the
house
because
of
the
courts.
A
A
Okay,
a
lot
of
conversation
about
the
impact
of
noise
on
medical
conditions
like
does
it
cause
them
or
does
it
exacerbate
them,
and
we
did
not
find
anything
that
said.
Pickleball
noise
causes
health
issues,
however,
noise
is
subjective
and
noise
can
impact
hip
health
issues,
primarily
auditory
and
non
auditory
of
I
mean
rather
excuse
me
I'm,
losing
my
place.
Hypertension
is
the
word
I
was
looking
for,
but
that
seems
to
be
a
definite
correlation,
but
it
can
be
all
kinds
of
noise.
A
So
what
might
bother
me
may
not
bother
you,
but
there
are
medical
studies
that
prove
that
there
is
a
connection,
and
we
did
feel
that
it
was
important
because
Bernie
DePaul
came
and
presented
to
you
in
April
about
his
particular
situation
and
submitted
a
sound
study
that
had
been
performed
for
him
on
his
property.
In
2017
and
I
quote,
the
noise
admitted
by
pickleball
and
pippin
Gilcrest
Park
creates
a
serious
community
and
human
noise
impact
that
adversely
affects
the
residents
living
near
the
park,
such
that
they
cannot
reasonably
enjoy
the
use
of
their
property.
B
B
B
B
The
each
test
was
only
12
seconds
for
each
test
that
we
did,
but
the
sound
meter
actually
sampled
the
sound
ninety
five
times
in
those
twelve
seconds
and
the
meter
averaged
the
sound
level
and
that'll
be
reported
here,
as
average
sound
level
a
site,
but
it
also
identified
the
instantaneous
peak
level,
which
would
be
a
very
fraction
of
a
second
sound
impact,
sound
someone,
yelling
or
screaming
or
whatever
so
both
of
those
are
reported.
So
the
average
level,
as
well
as
the
instantaneous
Piko.
B
So
the
concept
of
decibels
and
decibels
is
a
unit
of
measurement.
I
understand
that
normal
people,
like
you,
probably
don't
so
what
I've
done
here
is
provided
a
chart
which
presents
decibels
on
the
left
side
and
things
that
we
normally
are
familiar
with
on
the
right
side,
for
example,
a
blender
average
noise
level
85
decibels,
a
whisper
is
about
30
decibels,
average
speak
a
speech
rather
is
about
60
decibels.
So
this
gives
you
some
idea
what
a
decibel
is
related
to
things
that
we
normally
understand.
B
So
we
measured
the
sound
level
what
we
call
the
ambient
sound
level
Gilcrest
part
without
anything
going
on.
This
was
like
7:00
7:15
in
the
morning
and
that
level
was
46.1
decibels
again.
The
point
one
decibel
point
two
point
three
is
really
meaningless,
because
we
can't
tell
the
difference.
Our
ears
can't
tell
the
difference,
but
in
in
essence
the
background
level
in
Gilcrest
Park
is
46
decibels
measuring
the
sound
average
again
when
pickleball
is
in
play,
pre
abatement.
B
It
was
fifty
four
point:
four
decibels,
the
same
locations
measured
after
the
abatement
averaged
forty
six
point,
eight
decibels.
So
there
is
a
approximate
attenuation
or
reduction
of
the
sound
of
seven
decibels.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
in
a
minute
about
what
that
really
means.
What
does
that
sound?
Like
seven
decibel
reduction?
B
Was
it
sound
like
so
this
gives
you
some
perspective
if
you
will,
on
what
decibel
levels
mean
relative
to,
for
example,
of
birds,
chirping
about
twenty
feet
away
is
about
55
decibels,
dog
barking
up
to
we
need
about
50
decibels,
quiet
room
in
a
residential
area
about
40
decibels.
So
again,
this
is
meant
to
give
you
a
perspective
on
this.
B
The
next
table,
this
all
of
the
data
that
was
generated
for
this
for
the
test,
the
first
column
as
you'll
see,
is
labeled
location
and
that
relates
to
that
slide,
showing
you
the
location
of
the
test
sites,
the
next
column,
where
it's
average
p-pretty,
rather
the
average
sound
level
pre
abatement.
The
very
next
column
is
in
those
same
locations,
the
average
sound
level
post
abatement.
So
you
can
see
pre
abatement,
post
abatement,
the
differences
in
sound
levels
at
each
of
those
locations.
B
So
we
did
that
for
eight
courts
in
play.
We
did
it
for
four
courts
nearest
servo
and
we
did
it
again
for
four
courts:
yours,
the
river
or
furthest
from
their
boat
Table.
Two
might
be
of
a
little
bit
more
interest
to
you
because
it
speaks
directly
to
the
reduction
of
sound.
So
with
8
courts
in
play,
we
have
an
average
sound
reduction
of
six
or
seven
point:
six
decibels,
our
courts
and
play
reduction
of
seven
best
bells
with
four
courts
nearest
lis,
our
furthest
from
the
road
against
seven
decibels.
B
So
I
think
we
could
say
the
average
attenuation
is
approximately
seven
decibels
for
the
max
level.
The
peak
max
level
attenuation
a
little
bit
higher
with
eight
courts
in
play
with
7.3
with
four
courts
nearest.
The
road
is
eleven
point
two
and
four
courts
furthest
from
the
road.
Those
ten
point
three
decibels
again.
Remember
that
that's
an
instantaneous
level.
Okay,
the
maximum
peak
is
instantaneous.
We
typically
look
at
we
talk
about.
We
look
at
the
average
level,
so
that
would
be
the
number
that
we've
normally
used.
This
seven
decibel.
B
So
the
human
ear
perceives
ten
decibel
reduction
and
sound
as
half
as
loud
again.
It's
it's
difficult
to
really
receive
decibels
and
reduction
in
decibels.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
put
together
a
demonstration
audio
and
we
used
a
reference,
sound
level
and
then
reduced
it
by
three
decibels,
and
so
you'll
hear
that
in
a
moment
and
then
you'll
hear
a
reference,
sound
level
again
and
it'll
be
reduced
by
seven
decibels
and
in
one
more
time
you'll
hear
a
reference.
Sound
level
will
be
reduced
by.
B
So
we
really
don't
perceive
very
probably
a
three
decibel
reduction
in
sounds.
We
begin
to
appreciate
the
difference
with
a
five
to
seven
decibel
because
of
logarithmic
nature
of
decibels,
certainly
when
it
gets
to
ten
decibel
reduction,
it's
pretty
significant
and
again,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
sound.
The
different
characteristics
of
the
sound
it'll
be
more
more
evident.
B
B
Attenuation
of
the
peak
sounds
were
more
than
ten
decibels
with
four
quarts
in
play.
So
the
conclusion
based
on
this
study,
is
that
the
acoustics
did
what
it
was
intended
to
do
and
that's
to
reduce
the
sound.
That's
emanating
from
the
pickelball
play
I'd
like
to
add
that
I,
don't
think
the
sound
level,
because
if
you
look
at
a
common
areas,
urban
areas
in
neighborhoods,
the
sound
levels
are
much
in
line
with
any
urban
area.
B
The
fact
that
it's
still
audible
and
the
fact
that
it's
different
characteristics
different
sounds
different
than
the
other
sounds.
It
sounds
different
than
the
birds.
It
sounds
different
than
a
motor
vehicle,
passing
the
fact
that
it's
a
different,
sound,
not
the
level
I
think
is
really
where
people
are
are
focusing
on
and
in
summary,
the
sound
levels
are
within
reason
of
any
of
the
noise
ordinances
that
I've
ever
worked
with
throughout
the
country.
It's
so
the
sound
levels
are
not
they're,
not
unusual.
Thank
you.
D
The
options
for
Gilcrest
park,
we
looked
at
all
the
different
options
and
everything
that
could
be
done
with
with
the
park
from
going
from
the
status
quo,
leaving
things
just
as
they
are
relocating
to
the
other
set
of
tennis
course,
where
there's
a
little
bit
more
foliage
might
have
might
idea
who's
defensible
a
little
bit.
More
might
be
a
little
too
orange
sound
reduction
lemonade.
The
hours
of
play
charging
non-residents
for
play
to
reduce
the
overall
number
of
players
allowing
only
recreational
play
with
with
the
use
of
quieter
paddles
involves.
D
We
could
not
find
a
definitive
number
in
the
app,
but
we
can't
we
talked
to
the
pickleball
community.
We
came
up
with
number
of
about
eight
courts.
It
seems
that
most
pickleball
players
say
yeah
when
there's
eight
courts.
We
want
to
go
there
and
we
want
to
play
so
it's
so.
We
went
with
the
eight
courts
and
we
looked
at
a
number
of
city
properties.
D
We
got
a
list
from
this
city
and
we
we
can
only
find
two
courts
that
for
two
patience
that
that
satisfied
the
requirements
for
not
just
the
eight
courts
that
might
go
in
there,
but
also
the
infrastructure,
that's
involved
and
that
we're
looking
at
parking
in
the
bathrooms
and
things
like
that.
So
of
the
the
city
properties
that
we
city-owned
properties
that
we
looked
at
there
is
tribute
park.
D
That's
not
east
marion
avenue,
and
there
was
the
west
henry
location,
which
is
where
the
master
pumping
station
in
the
dog
park
are
just
a
little
aside
here
when
we
were
doing
this
and
I'm
not
sure
how
much
it
matters
that
that's
there
seems
to
be
a
general
consensus
and
the
other
communities
out
there
that,
and
it
sounds
some
professionals.
They
say
if
you're
in
the
five
to
six
hundred
foot
distance
from
a
pickleball
court
to
the
nearest
residence
that
that's
a
safe
distance,
a
lot
of
municipalities
have
gone
with
that.
D
D
This
is
trade
view
Park
in
2016
the
there's
students
from
the
Florida
Gulf
Coast
University,
who
did
a
very
nice
job
in
laying
out
the
the
existing
area
for
eight
pickleball
courts,
parking
a
restroom
facility,
and
they
did
a
pretty
good
job
with
this,
and
you
can
see
right
here
what
the
pickleball
course
would
look
like
what
the
parking
would
look
like,
and
so
that
that
gives
you
an
idea
about
how
much
space
that
this
is
something
like
this
would
take
up.
The
other
possible
location.
D
B
D
Then
the
other
angled
street
coming
down
from
that
is
truth,
and
if
you
zoom
in
on
that,
this
is
just
a
it's
just.
Eight
courts
plopped
in
there
and
it
just
kind
of
gives
you
an
idea
as
far
as
the
distances
from
the
homes
are
concerned.
If
you
go
to
the
homes
that
are
on
West
Henry
you're
somewhere
in
the
vicinity
of
about
350
feet
to
the
front
of
the
nearest
home,
going
in
the
other
direction,
you're
approximately
150
feet
to
the
edge
of
the
nearest
home
in
the
in
the
opposite
direction.
So.
A
Okay,
in
conclusion,
pickleball,
as
we
stated,
is
the
fasting
growing
growing
sport
in
the
United
States,
especially
among
our
demographic,
which
is
age
60
and
above,
and
it
has
documented
mental
physical
and
social
benefits.
Number
two.
The
increasing
demand
for
permanent
pickleball
courts
could
be
partially
met
by
Charlotte
County
continuing
to
invest
in
more
permanent
nets
at
its
facilities.
Also,
the
potential
exists
to
attract
significant
revenue
from
tournament
play
on
sanctioned,
like
pickle
Plex,
to
quote
Jan.
The
acoustic
vents
did
what
it
was
intended
to
do.
A
Given
the
reported
levels
of
sustained
stress
experienced
by
some
residents
in
close
proximity
to
the
Gilcrest
courts,
additional
steps
to
mitigate
could
be
considered,
including
reducing
days
hours
of
play,
requiring
softballs
and
quieter
paddles
or
relocating
the
courts
to
another
venue
and
then
finally,
what
didn't
occur
when
the
courts
were
placed
in
Gilcrest,
selecting
the
right
location,
coupled
with
careful
planning
and
sound
abatement,
are
critical
to
developing
pickleball
facilities
that
mesh
well
with
surrounding
communities.
In
other
words,
anything
that's
done
going
forward.
The
right
planning
has
to
go
in
into
effect.
A
F
Talking
about
punta
gorda
we're
a
community,
that's
always
operated
according
to
the
golden
rule,
above
popularity,
adherence
to
the
principle
of
loving
your
neighbor,
as
yourself
has
always
been
a
constant
goal
of
this
community,
and
this
principle
of
empathy
and
love
for
each
other
as
ourselves
is
a
fabric
on
which
community
has
been
built.
I
want
to
share
a
little
bit
with
you.
There's
a
presentation.
My
mother
gives
called
a
little
town.
The
unity
built
which
is
given
around
the
state
of
Florida
partner.
F
Court
is
a
small
town
in
the
southwest
coast
of
Florida,
incorporated
in
1887.
Its
founding
settlement
and
development
is
described
as
a
unique
sociology.
It
was
a
little
town
that
unity
built
in
our
nation
of
today.
Unity
of
hearts
and
minds
is
most
desperately
needed.
Punta
Gorda,
who
was
not
perfect,
but
his
beginnings,
do
provide
a
model
of
unity,
a
people
different
races,
working
together
for
a
common
now
there's.
F
This
is
a
from
a
newspaper
report
from
from
the
upon
Dakota
Herald
in
1921
when
Dan
Smith,
the
well-known
colored
man
came
here
in
1885,
there
were
only
15
people
here,
of
whom
8
were
white
and
7
black.
He
and
Sam
Kennedy.
Another
popular
color
citizen
were
the
only
ones
who
the
original
15
who
are
left.
Dan
was
the
first
one
to
move
for
the
organization
of
a
church
in
the
grant
of
a
public
school
Punta
Gorda
and
his
efforts
on
behalf
of
successful
Albert
Gilcrest.
F
He
was
hired
to
train
a
survey
team
for
the
railroad.
Those
were
those
15
men.
They
were
able
to
go
into
this
frontier
tame,
palmettos
snakes,
alligators
mosquitoes
in
1886.
The
railroad
was
completed,
bringing
the
spur
from
the
from
parts
over
here
and
the
luxury
hotel
came
next.
The
first
integrated
service,
which
was
exocrine
and
jewish,
was
done
by
dan
smith
17
year
old,
which
was
one
of
the
surveyman.
We
had
now
mind
you
during
this
time.
This
is
during
the
height
of
Jim
Crow
1877.
F
This
is
where
Jim
Crow
laws
were
found
that,
and
this
went
for
an
additional
fifty
eight
years,
the
United
States
1896,
the
Supreme
Court
passed
Plessy
versus
Ferguson
separate,
but
evil
I'm
saying
this,
because
this
this
is
the
setting
room
where
we're
in
a
small
southern
town
in
which
the
town
already
from
his
establishment
is
deciding
to
actually
act
out
of
the
Golden
Rule
rather
than
out
of
public
consent.
All
right.
During
this
time,
african-americans
were
involved
in
civic
life.
F
In
all
aspects,
the
town
was
incorporated
in
1887
among
those
signers
for
them
were
African
American.
You
also
had
a
postmaster
at
that
time
that
actually
the
man
who
brought
public
education
to
the
state
of
Florida
in
1908,
despite
the
civil
rights
law
of
1965
being
when
Voting
Rights,
was
supposed
to
been
given
African
American
voting
in
Punta
Gorda
1908
there
at
least
five
voters,
then
in
1921
there
at
least
120
six
colored
voters.
F
Plannig
order
was
a
largest
shipper,
fresh
fish
on
ice
in
the
United
States
and
shipped
over
ten
million
pounds
of
fishing
in
1926.
There
was
a
part
of
an
Agora
called
sharpy
town,
which
is
over
near
where
Bay
front
is
now
where
you
had
actually
seven
African
American
wholesale
fish
companies
stating
is
again
we're
in
the
middle
of
Jim
Crow,
where
it
may
have
been
popular
against
to
do
that,
but
in
our
town
we
decided
that
we
would
love
ourselves.
Instead,
you
had
a
lot
of
businesses
in
the
town
center.
F
You
had
Ingram
Hotel,
the
starlight
barber
shop.
You
had
the
Obie
Armstrong
grocery
and
restaurant.
You
had
Dali
Hearst
ice
cream.
You
had
an
under
restaurant.
You
had
the
Midwife
who
delivered
all
the
babies
coming
to
your
ponder
yeah
George
Brown,
which
was
the
wealthiest
man
up
until
the
40s
african-american.
He
a
said
to
own
half
of
the
city.
He
was
a
major
employer.
He
was
actually
Florida's
first
eco
opportunity
employer
during
the
Depression.
He
used
why
people
still
had
jobs
and
he
would
actually
pay
his
taxes
early.
F
F
The
black
and
white
I
say
this
even
to
the
point
of
even
with
school
integration,
Punta
Gorda,
we
integrated
our
schools
without
being
forced
to,
and
I
say
this,
because
despite
legal
segregation
in
the
South
in
de
facto
segregation
in
the
north
partner
would
approve,
the
social
integration
could
happen
regardless
now
I
say
this
I'm,
just
I'm
specialist,
at
the
stage
for
who
we
actually
are
as
a
city.
First
I
do
want
to
thank
on
the
pickleball
committee.
They
did
an
extraordinary
job,
a
very
comprehensive
report.
F
It
provided
us
with
the
abundance
of
data
which
we
did
hope
to
have
now.
Let
me
say
a
few
things
that
we
all
know.
We
all
do
know
that
our
neighboring
cities,
like
Naples
Inglewood,
who
pickleball
is
as
popular
is
here
pickleball,
is
an
appropriate
place
which
is
a
sports
park.
We
also
know
that
then,
when
we
talk
about
ours
being
that
many
of
our
residents
are
retirees
that
changing
from
8
to
3,
it
doesn't
do
anything
because
people
are
home
anyway.
So
all
that
does
is
just
trap.
You
in
your
house
with
the
sound.
F
We
also
all
know
that
the
pickleball,
along
with
some
other
anti
resident
actions
that
our
council
is
taken,
is
the
reasons
why
residents
have
sold
houses
into
the
point
where
at
this
point,
only
people
who
are
really
willing
to
buy
in
the
area
are
commercial
buyers.
At
a
lesser
he
had
a
lesser
cost
than
what
the
market
would
actually
demand
from
a
residential
buyer.
We
also
know
that
decibel
levels
are
not
the
issue
at
all
is
rather
the
frequency
of
the
sound,
as
stated
in
the
engineering
report
by
will
Thornton.
F
We
also
know
that
our
first
role
on
city
council
is
to
protect
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
our
residents.
We
also
know
that
all
of
us
have
received
medical
documentation
from
residents
attesting
to
the
harm
that
their
health
has
been
caused
by
the
presence
of
this
sound,
and
we
all
know
the
physicians
do
not
write
medical
reports
lightly
because
they
are
licensed.
E
G
Certainly
has
become
an
emotional
issue
for
our
community.
It
is
not
the
in
the
friendly
issue
that
the
council
member
Cummings
has
depicted.
There's
been
the
norm
for
this
community
for
over
a
century
in
the
process
of
council
members
going
through
this,
and
when
we
went
through
the
history,
it
was
a
good
idea
at
the
time
and
the
council
at
that
time
said:
okay,
let's
try
it
out,
they
put
out
some
temporary
courts.
They
worked
a
lot
of
complaints.
G
At
that
point,
it
did
so
well,
I
think
one
of
the
issues
that's
happened,
and
it
was
pointed
out
that
pickleball
has
grown
so
huge
that
it's
basically
kind
of
outstripped
what
the
original
concept
was
at
Gilcrest
Park.
At
the
same
time
as
council
members
in
previous
councils,
we've
also
addressed
this
issue
and,
as
and
in
good
faith,
have
been
trying
to
be
accommodating
to
our
community.
G
I
think
this
goes
to
when
we
discussed
it
initially
and
also
our
mayor
practically,
who
practically
who's
diligently
served
as
our
liaison
and
the
fact
that
this
council
also
bought
one
of
the
very
first
courts
at
pickle
Plex
to
show
support
with
the
idea.
In
the
as
I
recall
that
it
would
hopefully
reduce
some
of
the
pressure
that
was
on
took
on
the
pickleball
courts
in
Gilcrest
Park,
and
also
because
it
could
be
a
very
good
economic
engine.
G
What
these
issues
are
the
best
that
we
can
for
the
best
of
the
community,
the
acoustic
fence
that
we
have
up
there
was
recommended
by
the
pickleball
community,
the
material
etc.
It
has
been
my
observation
that
since
it's
been
up,
it's
worked
quite
well,
because
people
have
stopped
playing
I
will
drove
by
today
at
8:20.
There
was
nobody
on
the
pickleball
courts,
but
by
the
way
the
tennis
courts
were
being
played,
usually
in
the
morning
and
this
time
of
year,
I
realized.
That
is
the
best
time,
but
being
a
tennis
player.
G
I
don't
play
this
time
of
year,
Nate
I'm
past
eleven
o'clock,
I'm
too
old.
To
do
that.
The
emotional
din
has
been
I.
Think
beyond
reasonableness
for
all
involved.
I
firmly
believe
and
have
maintained
all
through
this
process
that,
as
a
community
servicing
our
community
as
best
we
can
and
as
faithful
as
we
can
and
following
the
golden
rule,
type
aspect
that
we
do
want
to
maintain.
G
Pickleball
courts
for
our
community
within
the
community
that
can
be
walked
to
and
ride
our
bikes
to
and
have
sufficient
parking
to
that
are
not
necessarily
part
of
pickle
Plex
out
there
that
within
our
communities
that
are
easy
to
get
dressed
and
so
forth,
whether
that's
in
Gilcrest
or
not,
quite
frankly,
I
don't
care.
It
should
be
somewhere
within
our
community
appropriately.
G
The
idea
that
it
does
have
a
beautiful
view.
It
shouldn't
be
the
credit
predication
of
where
we
put
those
pickleball
courts.
We
in
good
faith
have
made
decisions
based
on
the
pressures
put
from
both
of
us.
We
install
the
acoustic
fence
in
good
faith
based
on
the
pressures
put
to
us
from
both
sides.
We
also
had
conversation
when
we
were
talking
about
it
that
when
we
would
do
this,
that
we
would
close
four
quarts
in
the
course
of
these
times.
G
We've
had
emergency
meetings
at
Christmas
time,
because
that
took
over
two
and
a
half
hours
of
our
personal
times
for
an
additional
four
hours
of
play
during
a
holiday
that
we
had
agreed
to
to
a
different
number
of
hours
of
play,
not
several
days
before
I
think
it's
time.
I
think
we
need
to
see
how
this
plays
out.
G
G
But
but
nevertheless,
I
think
that
as
a
as
a
community,
we
should
lower
the
din
we
should
come
together.
We
should
work
together.
Perhaps
the
the
pickleball
community,
private
pickleball
community,
can
also
step
up
to
the
plate
as
the
Friends
of
the
Gilcrest
park
playground
did
we
have
properties
that
we
can?
We
can
look
at
in
our
master
plan,
whether
you
want
to
call
it
a
sports
park
or
not.
Actually,
Gilcrest
is
a
sports
park,
it
has
tennis,
it
has
basketball
and
it
has
pickleball.
G
We
don't
have
a
demographic
that
plays
a
lot
of
basketball,
but
if
we
did
have
a
lot
of
kids,
I
have
a
son
who
played
three-on-three
basketball
in
Chicago
area.
Quite
frankly,
it
can
be
quite
noisy.
The
noise
to
me
is
exhilarating
and
if
you've
ever
seen,
white
men
can't
jump.
My
son
can
so
I
think
it
behooves
us
all
to
take
a
deep
breath
go
forward.
We
have
some
off
long-term
alternatives.
We
have
a
short-term
alternative
in
place.
H
First
of
all,
thank
you
to
everyone
on
the
committee
for
your
time
and
your
efforts.
This
was
an
incredibly
comprehensive
report
and
I
appreciate
very
much
that
you
did
all
the
research
and
took
the
time
out
of
your
schedules
to
do
what
you
did.
I
mean
it's
just
amazing
what
you
accomplished
in
90
days.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
doing
that.
Second
of
all,
I
agree
with
Gary
I.
H
The
renovations
in
Gilchrist
Park
anyway
and
I
would
recommend
that
we
consider
moving
the
four
courts
over
to
where
the
tennis
courts
are
now,
because
we
have
a
natural
treeline
buffer
there,
which
could
help
shield
the
acoustics
if
it
gets
moved
to
those
courts
and
I
think
this
could
be
the
time
to
do
that
transition.
But
in
the
meantime,
that
we
leave
four
courts
open
and
continue
to
allow
the
the
four
courts
to
be
in
operation
and
I.
Think
that
that
will
be
a
compromise.
We're
never
gonna
make
everybody
happy.
H
We
already
know
that
we
can't
win
on
this
side
of
the
dais.
You
guys
have
to
understand
this.
We
have
read,
we
have
listened,
we
I
mean
I,
can't
tell
you
how
many
emails
I
got
this
week
that
I
hit,
but
I
forwarded
to
the
other
council,
members
and
and
I
know
they
all
got
some
too,
but
the
point
being
we
do
listen.
We
are
doing
our
very
best
to
accommodate
everyone
in
the
community
as
best
as
we
can,
and
we
take
this
responsibility
very
seriously.
H
I
Every
letter
I
get
every
conversation,
I
have
the
anger
just
goes
up
and
it's
not
in
correlation
with
the
decibels,
but
we
are
not
the
bad
guys
here.
You
know
we.
I
sat
on
front
porches.
I,
listened
to
the
pickleball
noise.
We
fixed
the
parking.
We've
done
everything
you
guys
were
the
pickleball
people
were
the
ones
who
wanted
the
coast.
Offense.
We
put
it
up.
Okay,
it's
ugly
I,
don't
like
it
either,
but
we've
tried.
I
We
are
the
joke
of
Florida,
where
the
joke
of
the
country,
when
I
go
to
when
I
go
places
and
I
tell
them
I'm
from
Punta
Gorda.
They
say.
Oh,
my
gosh
you're,
the
ones
with
the
pickleball
problem.
This
has
got
to
stop
someplace
because
nobody's
ever
gonna
be
a
hundred
percent
happy
and
I
believe
that
every
person
on
this
dais
has
done
everything
we
can
do
with
the
help
of
our
wonderful
pickleball
committee.
Who
now
has
give
statistics
to
fix
this
problem?
And
you
know
if
we
close
the
courts.
That's
not
gonna
solve
anything.
I
We're
gonna
get
9
million
letters
on
why
the
courts
are
closed.
You,
the
fact
that
we
have
had
40
conversations
about
pickleball
since
I've
been
sitting
here,
is
beyond
the
pale
when
I
go
to
the
grocery
store
people,
don't
say
to
me:
oh
my
gosh
you're
gonna
raise
the
millage
rate.
They
say
what
are
you
gonna
do
about
pickleball.
We
have
got
to
get
our
priorities
straight
as
a
city
and
I'm
really
I'm
disappointed
that
with
all
the
cooperation
and
attempts
at
collaboration.
I
G
E
Happen
to
agree
with
Debbie
and
with
Lynn
I
have
been
here
on.
This
Dyess
was
a
part
of
the
let's
convert
the
courts.
Let's
even
have
a
tournament
who
knew
nobody
could
envision
what
happened
so
I'm
not
going
to
criticize
any
council
for
any
decision
that
was
made.
Nobody
knew
not
even
the
people
that
played
pickleball,
because
the
original
intent
was
really
just
to
have
some
fun,
and
this
sport
has
really
just
skyrocketed.
E
We
met
yesterday
I'm
still
deeply
I
meet
weekly
with
the
pickle
Plex
board.
We
met
yesterday
with
an
organizer
that
wants
to
bring
the
tournaments
that
we're
all
of
the
professionals
will
get
raided
to
the
pickle
Plex.
This
December,
so
I
mean
it's
like
there's
just
more
and
more
focus
on
on
the
sport
and
where
it's
going
and
the
the
need.
We
cannot
begin
to
try
to
satisfy
the
need
your
in
within
our
city
of
limits.
We
can't
we
need
16,
more
courts
like
now
at
the
pickle
Plex.
E
So
looking
at
all
the
of
this
activity,
I
get
it
I,
it's
a
beautiful
place.
Gilchrist
is
a
beautiful
place.
It's
a
beautiful
venue,
but
what
I
saw
was
instead
of
68
courts
where
people
were
just
having
casual
play,
it
became
a
throng
and
it
was
out
of
control
and
and
and
if
we
go
back
to
eight
courts.
You
know
I
realized
that
pickle
Plex
is
there,
and
this
is
not
a
substitute
for
pickle
Plex
and
the
two
in
some
ways
are,
you
know,
separated,
but
they're
connected
and
I.
E
Don't
want
to
I.
Don't
want
to
I
want
us
to
be
a
welcoming
community,
but
there
is
a
limit
as
to
what
we
are
doing
with
that
Park
and
it's
and
yes,
we
have
sports
in
the
park,
but
it's
not
a
sports
park
and
and
the
intent
the
intense
play
is
for
pickle,
Plex
casual
play.
Let
some
families
come
I
mean
I
was
at
the
pickle
plexus
sitting
there.
E
One
late
afternoon
and
a
family
of
four
came
husband
and
wife
from
the
two
children
and
and
I
know
it's
in
a
generation
in
a
generational
play
it
as
well.
So
it's
a
very
healthy
thing,
but
I
would
agree.
We
need
to
continue
having
four
courts
I'm,
not
willing
to
open
it
up
to
eight
courts
again,
because
I
think
we
shouldn't
be
encouraging
the
casual
play
and
and
I
think
with
casual
play.
It's
not
going
to
be
the
it's
not
going
to
it's
not
going
to
be
beating
up
on
the
neighborhood.
E
You
know
and
I
understand,
I
understand
why
people
want
to
have
eight
courts,
but
that's
not
what
we
want
to
see
in
Gilbert,
smart,
so
I
would
agree
that
my
computer
I
would
agree
that
we
should
ban
turn
to
continue
to
ban
tournament
play
there,
that
we
would
keep
the
four
courts.
Perhaps
let's
we
can
consider
moving
the
courts,
so
the
cooze
defense
and
add
to
the
landscaping
so
that
the
that
even
more
so
so
that
it's
camouflaged,
while
we
can't
insist
on
quiet,
paddles
and
balls
I,
don't
know
how
you
monitor
that.
H
E
E
We
could
do
those
kinds
of
things
if
we,
you
know
to
limit
play,
I,
don't
think
that
may
limiting
play
by
the
number
of
hours
in
the
day
is
going
to
make
a
difference,
because
there
are
some
people
who,
after
work,
would
like
to
go
hit
the
ball
around
a
little
bit.
We
also
have
a
situation.
That's
occurred
since
we
have
opened
these
courts
as
we
heard
today.
We've
had
residents
move
here
and
buy
property
here
because
of
those
courts,
so
for
us
to
to
totally
remove
the
courts.
E
G
As
you
can
see,
I
hope
all
of
us
have
an
emotional
investment.
This
is
an
unusual
time
that
all
five
of
us
got
chance
to
vent,
but
usually
we're
getting
vented
on.
I
would
like
to
just
give
a
little
bit
different
perspective,
a
little
bit
more
positive
perspective
about
our
community
as
a
whole.
Some
of
you
who
know
me
have
already
heard
this
story.
G
I
apologize,
you're,
gonna,
hear
it
again,
but
about
three
and
a
half
months
ago
I
attended
a
meeting
in
Tallahassee
Florida
for
the
Southwest
Regional
Planning
Commission
as
their
representative
to
the
State
Planning
Commission
and
as
a
icebreaker.
We
were
sitting
around
a
table
and
they
asked
us
to
introduce
ourselves
where
we
were
from
and
to
share
our
most
controversial
issue.
They're
dealing
with
Michael
they're
dealing
with
Irma
they're
dealing
with
crime
and
drugs.
They
got
to
me
and
I
said
pickleball.
G
The
gentleman
next
to
me
from
Miami
miami-dade
area,
says
I'm
moving
to
Punta
Gorda,
that's
how
wonderful
our
community
is.
You've
heard
today
how
we've
got
had
eighty
seven
and
a
half
percent
of
our
bill
paid
for
damage
from
Emma
and
how
we
were
cleaned
up
earlier
than
everybody.
How
we're
gonna
have
an
abundance
of
water
and
sewer
services
to
our
community.
G
We
have
twice
a
twice
a
week,
pickup
of
our
garbage
and
crash
because
of
this
incredible
staff
that
we
have
that
we've
been
able
to
enjoy-
and
this
is
our
most
controversial
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed
in
a
long
term
with
all
due
respect.
I,
don't
think
we
should
address
moving
the
four
courts
until
we've
addressed
what
we
could
possibly
do
in
a
longer
term.
G
G
With
this
exception,
loving
volunteered,
we
wouldn't
get
all
the
things
that
we
get
at
our
military
if
it
wasn't
for
all
the
volunteer,
Police
Department
people,
all
the
other,
volunteer
people
of
our
demographic
that
perform
those
services
so
that
we
don't
hit.
So
we
can
run
our
staff
at
1.4
instead
of
1.7
people.
This
is
an
incredibly
wonderful,
loving
community,
where
a
couple
of
cousins
right
now
that
are
having
a
spat.
We
need
to
work
on
it
as
a
community
rather
than
fight
about
it.
E
F
Regard
to
moving
the
courts
I
spoke
with
Bernie
about
this.
He
absolutely
supposed
it
I
mind
you
he
would
benefit
from
it,
but
his
family
suffers
so
greatly
from
this
that
he
would
not
wish
that
upon
anyone
else's
family.
That's
reality,
I
absolutely
am
opposed
to
that
I.
Don't
think
any
residential
person
should
be
subjected.
I'm
fully
in
support
of
pickleball
I
think
is
a
wonderful
sport,
but
it
needs
to
be
in
appropriate
place.
Secondly,
we're
now
talking
master
plan
about
developing
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
historic
district.
F
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
put
pickleball
court
somewhere,
where
we're
looking
at
being
able
to
fulfill
our
housing
needs.
I
just
think
I
mean
it
was
a
good
intellectual
idea.
You
know
esoteric,
but
the
reality
is
I
mean
we're
trying
to
build
more
residences
over
there.
The
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
se
place
people
in
this
horribly
when
we
know
it's
harmful
and
again,
it's
very
good
to
play,
but
it's
not
good
to
live
around,
and
everyone
who
loves
to
talk
about
how
good
it
is
is
not
living
by
it.
G
E
Additionally,
looking
at
the
parking-
and
we
know
that
parking
is
a
problem
and
if
you
have
courts,
you
need
to
have
more
parking
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
it
it
would
be
in
a
floodplain
and
it
I
don't
know
that
you
could
get
enough
parking.
So
I,
don't
know
that.
That's
really
a
realistic
location.
If
we
were
to
consider
something
like
that,
so
Howard,
what
do
you
think
that
we
need
to?
Do
you
see
us
having
make
a
motion
next
week
or.
J
I'm
hearing
is
that
we've
received
the
report
mm-hmm
we're
going
to
wait
for
the
master
plan
to
come
out.
We're
gonna
have
status
quo
right
now
and
we're
gonna,
let
things
subside
and
eventually
we
will
bring
it
back,
but
there's
no
need
to
bring
it
back
next
week.
That's
what
I'm
hearing
status
quo
right
now
well.