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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 7-10-19 Part 3
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What
would
be
nice
is
what
you
do
that
when
you
do
the
bar
graph,
if
you
have
yellow,
have
this
graph
here
and
then
have
a
different
ditional
color,
it
shows
what
the
final
impact
is
based
on
the
county
and
so
forth,
so
that
we
can
have
a
comparison
based
of
everybody
else.
Perfect
I'm,
not
real
good
at
math,
and
so
this
would
told
me.
F
One
thing
again
is
realizing
in
tandem
with
impact
fees,
also,
land
development
regulations
like
magar,
the
Starbucks
I
talk
to
them
two
years
ago
and
they
were
ready
to
build.
But
our
rule
of
requiring
a
second
story
is
what
sparked
of
that
deal,
and
so
it
happened
to
be.
They
were
able
to
build
a
small
in
the
building
the
numbers
work,
but
we
hope
to
understand
that
part
of
our
reason
why
we
don't
have
the
bill
that
we
like
is
because
we
need
to
well.
B
That
was
the
site
was
causing
them
a
problem
yeah,
so
they
would
have
been
here.
They
were
targeting
to
open
when
the
new
Publix
opened
down
there.
They
wanted
to
open
at
the
same
time,
so
they
would
have
been
here
a
long
time
ago,
but
the
site
that
they
targeted
was
it's
too
expensive
to
build
out.
It
wasn't
had
nothing
to
do
with
our
impact
fees.
It
had
to
do
with
the
site.
F
G
E
B
The
microphones
have
been
really
hard
and
the
feet
Karen.
The
feedback
that
I've
received
from
residents
have
said
when
they
go
to
watch
our
videos.
It's
really
hard
to
hear
anything
and
one
person
even
said
they
had
headset
on
to
try
to
hear
it,
and
it's
it's
really
hard,
but
I
understand
you're
gonna
do
something
during
the
break
during
your.
G
Okay,
I
apologize
I'll
start
over
for
the
purposes
of
clarity,
again:
Mitchell
Austin
urban,
designed
for
the
record
constantly
on
Park.
When
we
initially
let
the
engineering
contract,
we
requested
that
the
firm
provide
utility
emmos
in
regard
to
technical
memos
in
regard
to
the
state
of
the
water
and
wastewater
systems
going
to
the
park
site.
G
G
The
utility
memo
looked
at
two
different
scenarios.
It
looked
at
installing
a
tank
and
pump
and
installing
a
new
water
line
out
to
the
site
of
the
two
scenarios.
A
new
water
line
was
actually
less
expensive
to
build.
It
provides
the
accommodation
for
the
piece
or
Wildlife
Center
and
any
future
park
improvements.
G
The
total
cost
of
that
project
is
approximately
four
hundred
and
sixty
one
thousand
dollars,
and
that
is
for
design
and
construction.
The
city
looking
at
this
bill
asked
utilities.
Well,
was
there
any
reasonable
way
that
utilities
could
pay
for
this
project
as
a
as
a
capacity
improvement
in
the
utility
system,
and
they
said
no,
because
there
is
limited
development
potential
down
that
way.
There
would
never
be
a
need
for
that
level
of
water
service
on
that
corridor.
G
So
city
staff
looked
at
it
and
said:
okay.
Well,
if
a
developer,
a
private
developer
were
coming
to
us
with
this
project,
we
would
we
would
request
that
they
pay
for
that.
So
we
definitely
took
that
to
the
picture
of
a
Wildlife
Center
and
proposed
that
they
pay
for
the
actual
pipe
installation
included
in
that
four
hundred.
Sixty
one
thousand
dollar
cost
as
restoration
of
the
actual
Road
way,
so
they
had.
That
was
the
discussion
that
city
staff
had
with
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center,
as
as
the
private
entity.
G
On
the
wastewater
side,
we
had
much
better
news:
the
the
actual
service
line,
the
fourth
main
from
the
park
back
up
to
the
the
rest
of
the
waste
water
collection
system,
is
sufficient
to
handle
the
proposed
improvements
in
park
area
as
well
as
Peace
River,
Wildlife
Center.
However,
the
design
of
the
park,
the
redesign
of
the
park
to
accommodate
the
peace
or
of
a
Wildlife
Center,
the
actual
lift
station,
needs
to
be
relocated
and
relocation
of
the
existing
lift
station
is
impractical
due
to
its
age.
So
it
would
be
a
new
facility.
G
G
We
have
to
date
about
two
hundred
forty
thousand
dollars
worth
of
engineering
services
into
the
park.
That's
the
initial
design
of
164
change
order,
one
for
sixty
thousand,
and
that
was
for
seawall
and
boardwalk
and
pier
work
that
needs
to
be
deficiencies
that
were
found
in
the
initial
inspection
that
need
to
be
addressed,
and
then
the
request
for
the
letter
of
map
revision.
H
E
G
Think
no
that's
incorrect.
The
actual
sewer
line
running
from
the
park
to
North
Marion
Court
is
sufficient
for
the
current
or
future
needs
of
the
park.
So
it
is
not
going
to
be
replaced.
Okay,
what
will
be
replaced
is
the
actual
lift
station
and
the
service
lines
running
from
the
the
proposed
restroom
and
peace
or
Wildlife
Center
within
the
park
to
that
list.
Station.
Okay,.
E
I
cannot,
in
any
good
conscience,
say
that
it
would
be
their
responsibility
to
pay
for
half
of
the
cost
of
this
I
think
the
city's
responsibility
is
to
provide
a
safe
environment
for
all
the
citizens
that
live
here.
It
is
a
city
park
and
we
need
to
put
a
fire
hydrant
in
there.
I
mean
that's
the
reality,
and
if
we
don't
have
a
fire
hydrant,
we
don't
have
the
water
line,
it
doesn't
matter.
The
park
can
burn
down
and
nobody's
going
to
care,
but
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen.
E
I
think
this
is
critical
for
everybody's
safety
and
security.
If
we
had
a
boat
fire
down
there,
the
fire
trucks
would
have
to
put
a
submersible
hose
in
the
harbor
and
then
trash
their
equipment
with
all
the
salt
water
to
put
the
fire
out.
That's
just
not
reasonable
I
think
we
have
to
do
this
and
it
has
to
be
the
city's
burden.
I
would
never
ever
ask
them
to
do
this.
E
J
I
D
K
D
Some
point
in
the
not-too
a
different
future
there's
going
to
have
to
be
a
major
repair
or
replace
of
that
lift
station
correct.
Okay,
the
only
other
comment
that
I
want
to
make
relative
to
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
is.
It
is
a
wonderful
amenity
that
we
fought
very
hard
to
keep
within
the
park
due
to
circumstances
that
were
the
city's
fault
as
far
as
leasing
land
to
them
that
the
city
may
not
have
had
the
right
to
do
and
they've
been
there
for
quite
some
time
under
those
circumstances.
D
So
we
have
a
certain
moral
obligation
to
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center,
but
with
that
said,
there's
also
an
ROI
that
the
city
and
the
businesses
with
input
to
go
to
realize
from
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center,
because
it's
a
great
attractive
engine.
Anybody
that
goes
to
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
is
driving
past
commercial
areas
of
in
our
city,
developed
or
non
developed,
fisherman's,
village
being
one
in
particular
or
they're,
going
to
go
through
downtown
and
even
if
they
come
up
through
Henry
Street
they're
still
going
through
the
commercial
aspects.
D
Those
there
are
people
that
come
from
out
of
town
to
go
to
the
Peace,
River
Wildlife
Center,
and
then
they
come
and
then
are
going
to
spend
some
money
here
at
the
same
time.
So
we
should
should
also
keep
in
mind.
I
think
that
they
are
a
financial
asset
as
well
as
a
cultural
asset
to
our
community.
So
that's
just
the
comment
that
I
wanted
to
also
throw
out
iemon,
concurrent
with
everything
that
I've
heard
from
from
my
fellow
council
members
regarding
our
commitment
to
the
Peace
River,
Wildlife,
Center
and.
E
Anybody
out
there
in
the
wildlife
center
group
agree
with
me
or
not
agree
with
me
I.
You
know,
I
think
that
they
would
be
willing
to
push
their
project
back
a
little
bit
if
they
had
to
so
that
we
could
accommodate
this,
but
I
do
think
it's
the
city's
responsibility
and
as
Gary
alluded
to
it,
is
a
major
tourist
attraction
for
that
for
our
area.
In
addition
to
being
an
economic
engine,
part
of
our
community
I
mean
there's,
there's
three
kind
of
major
things
in
the
city.
E
And
the
visual
arts
center
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
bring
people
here,
but
the
Wildlife
Center
brings
in
thousands
of
people
every
year.
So
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
help
support
them,
since
we
did
push
so
hard
to
make
sure
they
stayed
here
and
and
I
value
their
there
their
service
to
the
community.
So
I
think
it's
our
responsibility,
I
can't
say
it
or
no
jaw
did
you
have
any
comments.
F
B
L
Good
morning,
Cali
style,
executive,
director,
peace,
River,
Wildlife
Center
for
the
record.
At
this
time
we
are
unable
to
quantify
exactly
what
our
economic
impact
is,
but
it
is
something
that
our
Board
President
Jerry,
Jones
who's,
also
part
of
the
Charlotte
County
Tourism
Bureau
is
going
to
see
if
he
can
crunch
some
numbers
and
try
to
quantify
that.
For
us,
we
do
estimate
that
we
have
over
100,000
visitors
to
the
Wildlife
Center
every
year,
so
we
do
know
that
we
have
lots
of
people
and
not
just
local
people
that
are
coming
in.
L
B
K
D
B
No,
but
we
do
need
two
decisions.
I
think
you
said
to
me,
Mitchell
when
we
were
talking
earlier
this
week
that
you're
going
to
be
coming
back
to
Council,
with
a
60%
presentation
on
the
plots
Park,
yes,
but
we
need
to
sit
ins,
one
is
to
find
the
utility
upgrade
and
then
we
also
need
a
decision
to
support
the
piece
for
wildlife.
Centers
portion
of
that.
I
G
I
A
E
Make
a
motion
to
approve
change
order
number
three
with
the
not
to
exceed
number
of
forty
one
thousand
six
hundred
and
fifty
seven
dollars,
and
also
to
have
the
city
bear
the
burden
of
the
costs
of
the
water
replacement
line
in
the
park.
Second,
the
utility
upgrades
well
for
right
now
we're
the
utility
upgrade
cost
of
forty
one
thousand
six,
fifty
seven
not
to
exceed
that
number,
okay
and
and
also
for
the
city
to
take
on
the
responsibility
of
the
the
water
upgrade
service
when
it's
necessary.
Okay.
Second,.
D
B
M
Certainly
speak
to
this
item.
This
is
a
draft
of
the
strategic
plan
that
the
department
directors
have
just
begun.
Putting
together,
we
wanted
to
have
it
in
your
hands
before
you
went
off
Oh
Don
break
so
that
you
could
look
it
over
talk
to
people
see
if
you
could
get
any
additional
thoughts
about
things
that
I
need
to
be
added
changed
or
any
new
directions
that
you
wanted
included
for
the
next
year.
It
is
very
much
so
just
a
draft
document.
I
know.
M
Last
year
there
was
talk
from
Council
that
in
2021
we
would
hire
a
facilitator
to
help
us
with
the
strategic
plan.
So
that's
where,
where
staff
had
come
from
on
this,
that
there
would
be
a
formal
process
that
would
happen
in
the
in
probably
the
beginning
of
2020
to
plan
for
2021,
but
for
now
this
is
what's
proposed
for
next
year
the
key
performance
indicators-
some
of
them,
are
missing
within
the
plan
right
now,
those
will
all
be
filled
in
the
next
time.
M
Let
you
see
this
draft,
but
we
are
taking
feedback
throughout
the
time
that
you're
on
break
when
you
get
back.
When
you
have
time
to
look
at
this,
we
we
definitely
want
that
feedback
and
then
how
it'll
be
going
through
each
of
the
items
in
the
strategic
plan
with
you
line
by
line
and
a
later
meeting
in
September.
E
I
would
like
to
see
us
do
a
citizen
workshop
for
this
project.
This
year
we
had
so
much
craziness
that
surrounded
this
last
year.
I
think
it
would
benefit
everyone
in
the
city.
If
we
were
to
schedule
a
citizen
workshop
where
we
do
a
brainstorming
session
and
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
need
an
outside
facilitator.
I
think
Melissa
would
be
completely
capable
of
handling
the
the
management
of
the
meeting
and
and
what
the
reason
I
would
say.
E
That
is
because
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
very
informal
comfortable
environment
for
people
to
participate
in
and
I'm.
It
would
be
my
suggestion
that
the
councilmembers
are
there
with
a
flipchart
in
front
of
them
and
they
write
down
different
aspects
of
things
that
are
discussed
from
the
citizens
to
put
into
the
report.
The
final
draft
of
the
report
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
for
the
councilmembers
to
be
there
to
observe,
without
participating
and
and
be
able
to
help.
E
B
E
B
And
but
I
do
agree
with
some
kind
to
some
type
of
a
citizen
meeting,
but
that's
different
than
than
the
actual
strategic
plan
initiative.
That's
in
here
where
we
hire
the
consultant,
it
was
gonna
be
like
$5,000,
49,
I
did,
or
something
like
that
was
from
the
individuals
that
I
think
we've
seen
that
before
you
seen
that
Debbie
it.
B
But
it's
we
actually
had
a
document
some
time
ago
and
we
decided
we
would
wait
until
after
the
citywide
master
plan.
In
order
to
retain
this
person,
then
to
help
us
do
a
new
strategic
plan.
One
of
the
comments
I
received
from
someone
was
a
real
strategic
plan
should
go
out
further
than
next
year,
because
you
know
these
dock.
These
numbers
are
just
FY
2020
and
not
up
to
20,
22
or
23
years.
B
You
know
or
beyond
so-
and
that
was
you
know
well
taken
and
when
I
looked
at
this
document,
it
was
I
didn't
know
what
to
do
with
it,
because
I
started
to
read
it,
and
it's
like
so
much
stuff
was
missing.
I
started
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
it,
trying
to
go
back
and
edit
it
and
proof
it
and
I'm
thinking.
I
would
rather
you
just
not
even
give
it
to
us
if
you're
gonna,
if
you're
gonna,
give
us
something,
that's
wrong.
B
N
B
M
M
I
Just
don't
understand
why
we
need
to
hire
a
consultant,
I,
agree
and-
and
another
thing
is
I-
don't
know
where
you're
gonna
find
a
consultant
that
will
work
for
$4,000
a
day.
The
proposal
well
I,
I,
just
don't
understand
why
you?
Why
that's
necessary
I
mean
you?
Can
you
know
strategic
plans?
Are
us
on
the
internet?
I
think
anybody
with
any
business
acumen
has
done
a
business
strategic
plan,
I
I'm,
getting
really
hammered
by
my
constituency
that
we
just
hire
consultants
for
everything.
I
B
D
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
consult
them
for
everything,
and
this
is
actually
one
for
a
facilitator.
I,
don't
think
we
we
may
need
on
this,
but
but
relative
to
the
general
aspect
of
consultant.
One
is
a
consultant
is
somebody
that
doesn't
live
in
the
force,
so
maybe
you
can
see
the
trees
a
little
bit
better.
That
certainly
is
one
attribute
of
a
consultant,
but
the
other
thing
that
we
have
in
this
city
and
I've
mentioned
this.
Before
as
prior
to
2008,
we
had
1.7
staff
to
every
1,000
population.
D
We
are
now
1.4
--is--,
which
means
that
we're
understaffed
anyway,
we've
never
recovered
that
staff.
This
is
something
else
we
haven't
recovered.
So
when
the
economic
downturn
comes,
we
don't
have
the
luxury
of
being
able
to
cut
staff
as
easily
because
we're
already
running
lead.
Now.
That
is
a
complement
to
the
way
the
city's
been
run.
We
have
been
running
lean
and
very
effective
and
what-have-you,
but
with
that
said,
it
comes
times.
For
example,
if
that
we
have
to
rewrite
code,
we
really
need
a
consultant
because
we
have.
D
If
the
question
is,
do
we
have
the
competency
within
the
city
to
rewrite
code?
The
answer
would
be
yes,
but
do
we
have
the
capability
because
of
available
manpower
with
everything
else
that's
going
on.
From
my
perspective,
the
answer
is
no
and
that's
why
we
have
to
hire
consultants
as
frequently
as
we
do
is
because
of
a
lack
of
of
extra
ability
timewise
within
the
city.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
reflection
on
the
competency
of
staff.
It's
a
reflection
of
a
person
can
only
do
so
much
in
so
many
hours
and.
B
F
B
M
Want
to
remind
council
and
all
of
our
stakeholders
that
we
will
be
having
a
session
with
Dover
:
partners
on
August
21st
5:00
p.m.
at
the
Event
Centre
in
the
big
room.
So
there
will
be
plenty
of
seats
for
everyone
and
I
still
encourage
you
to
get
there
early,
because
there's
people
in
Punta
Gorda
arrive
early
for
things,
so
make
sure
that
you
get
there
early
and
get
settled.
I'd
also
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone's
aware
that
the
impact
fee
information
is
on
the
city's
website.
M
The
presentation
will
be
up
there
later
this
afternoon,
but
the
actual
document
is
there
and
I'll
be
sending
a
note
individually
to
each
of
the
stakeholder
groups
for
distribution,
and
then
council
can
decide
at
a
later
date,
if
they'd
like
how
exactly
the
workshop
or
whatever
happens,
to
garner
more
feedback
that
working
session.
What
that'll
look
like,
but
people
will
have
it
in
their
hands
for
the
next
month
to
take
a
take,
a
look
at.
That's
all
I
have
okay.
C
E
I
H
H
H
C
Just
very
briefly,
under
boards
and
committees
just
have
a
couple
of
vacancies
utility
advisory
board.
We
have
a
four-year
term
as
a
Resident
Commissioner
on
the
Pentagon
Housing
Authority.
We
do
have
an
applicant
for
that
seat
and
then
an
unexpired
term
as
an
alternate
on
the
Historic
Preservation.
Advisory
Board
well
also
spoke
into
our
fire
chief
and
he
has
assisted
me
with
identifying
a
couple
of
folks
to
do
the
invocation.
We
have
the
fire
department,
chaplain
and
the
police
department
chaplain,
and
they
are
going
to
alternate.
C
C
B
C
B
Okay,
so
under
policy
and
legislation
have
a
great
break
I
know.
Each
of
us
has
meetings
that
we
have
to
attend,
even
though
we
will
be
on
break.
So
thank
you
to
the
city
staff
for
understanding
that
we
are
on
break
so
that
to
give
us
a
break
because
we
need
it
and
and
appreciate
it.
Although,
even
though
we
will
be
gone
from
City
Council
meetings
for
six
weeks,
we
actually
end
up
going
to
the
Florida
League
of
Cities
the
week
previous.
So
that's
it's
really
not.
B
F
E
Just
one
thing:
I
have
then
speaking
with
the
developer
for
the
assisted
living
facility,
a
tackiest,
Ron
Socorro,
and
we
are
meeting
with
him
on
Tuesday
morning.
Joan
will
be
I,
hope,
participating
in
the
meeting
and
he's
bringing
his
engineering
person
his
architect,
his
landscape
designer,
and
we're
going
to
have
several
of
this
local
citizens
who
had
volunteered
to
sit
on
that
citizen
committee
to
work
with
him
on
the
design
components
of
the
building.
So
we're
meeting
with
him
on
Tuesday
morning
and
more
to
come
on
that,
but
he's
getting
ready
to
move
forward.
Finally,.
B
I
D
N
Nancy
Johnson
team,
Punta,
Gorda
I
just
had
a
quick
comment
and
that
on
the
consultant
issue
around
the
citizens
meeting
and
the
strategic
plan,
I
would
point
out
that
team,
Punta,
Gorda
and
the
city
actually
Nancy
and
Melissa
co-chaired
journey
to
the
future
and
planned
and
developed
a
very
successfully
together.
So
I
would
offer
that
if
there's
any
support
that
team
could
give
to
Melissa
and
city
staff
and
any
of
those
elements,
this
is
a
proven
team
and
we're
happy
to
be
there
for
you.
If
you
need
any
assistance
from
us,
then.
J
Just
a
very
brad
gambling
in
just
a
very
short
comment
or
two
one:
really.
There
are
two
I'm
very
proud
of
this
council
and
the
job
that
they
have
done
been
enjoying
for
the
most
part,
watching
everything
that's
going
on
here
and
I
wish
you
all
a
great
break.
I
will
make
one
point,
and
that
is
about
the
impact
fees.
J
Seeing
the
chart
was
a
bit
illuminating
to
me
in
that
there
was
a
time
when
I
was
involved
in
looking
at
impact
fees
in
various
communities
and
for
the
possibility
of
development
projects,
and
if
I
looked
at
that
chart,
I
would
say
what
and
I
was
a
thousand
miles
away,
which
sometimes
is
the
case.
I
would
probably
say
to
myself:
well
what's
wrong
with
Punta
Gorda.
Why
are
they
so?
Why
are
they
the
cheapest?
Do
they
have
a
problem?
J
Will
they
have
a
problem
economically
or
do
they
are
they
inexpensive
because,
usually
not
because
they're
wealthy?
It's
usually
because
there's
some
they're
just
not
attracting
it
they're,
not
in
the
market,
so
it's
just
a
point
to
make.
It
can
go
a
little
bit
the
other
way,
if
we're
too
far
extreme
on
that,
thank
you
and
have
a
great
great
8-point.
Thank.