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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 7-10-19 part 2
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A
Lisa's
response
was,
as
they
were,
supposed
to
taken
care
of
today,
and
in
fact
they
were
as
the
complaint
went
forward,
and
they
were
done
very
well.
Okay,
with
that
said,
this
is
the
hot
seat.
The
rainy
season
and
the
two
moments
a
month
are
going
to
be
required
and
because
it's
the
rainy
season,
they're
also
going
to
be
kind
of
difficult
to
do
sometimes,
depending
on
weather.
Okay.
So
there
is
a
catch-22
there,
so
everybody's
got
a
both.
A
The
contractor
has
to
be
sincere
in
trying
to
fulfill
the
contract,
but
if
we
have
three
solid
weeks
of
rain
every
single
day
and
deluge
is
like
we
can
have
we're
only
getting
to
get
one
MOU
that
you
know
my
mowers
on
our
block.
I
mean
he
goes
in
between
storms
and
but
we
pay
a
lot
more
than
this
to
do
a
lot
that's
covered
with
a
lot
of
vegetation
of
concrete,
instead
of
an
open,
lock,
so
I'm
inclined
that
we
go
with
the
proposed
assessment,
even
though
I
think
it's
an
awfully
good
deal.
I.
B
C
D
F
C
D
A
D
I
B
E
Simeone
again
for
finance,
the
proposed
millage
rate
is
three
point:
four,
three,
three
seven
Mills
the
calculated
rollback
rate
is
three
point:
zero,
five
to
one
making
the
proposed
millage
rate
twelve
and
a
half
percent
over
the
rollback
rate.
This
resolution
sets
the
tentative
millage
rate
and
the
public
hearing
day
of
September
4
2019
at
5:01
p.m.
and
then
city,
council
chambers,
and
what
will
be
advertised
on
the
trim
notice.
E
H
E
F
F
D
F
F
They
want
to
know
what
that
number
is
that
magic
number
so,
especially
since
we've
got
the
school
tax
increase,
which
is
going
to
be
substantial
and
we've
got
the
Buckley's
past
assessment,
and
now
we're
gonna
have
the
MSB
you
for
the
Buckley's
past
assessment
and
on
and
on
and
on
so
and
and
we
haven't
even
taken
into
account
what
the
county's
increase
is
going
to
be,
and
there
always
is
a
county
increase.
There's
tax
bills
this
year
are
gonna,
be
crazy
and.
A
F
D
E
B
H
F
F
C
B
E
D
B
I
H
My
library
to
Weiler
engineering
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Public
Works,
requested
procurement
to
use
the
engineering
library
to
hire
an
engineering
firm
for
professional
services
for
the
removal
of
the
and
decommissioning
of
the
boat
lock
in
BSI,
the
department
estimated
the
construction
cost
not
to
exceed
the
CCNA
threshold
procurement
solicited
qualified
firms
through
the
library
in
the
environmental,
hydrographic
and
marine
disciplines.
The
city
received
once
a
mental
package.
The
evaluation
and
selection
committee
evaluated
that
independently
evaluated
that
package
and
qualified
the
soul
submit
all
to
Y
of
Weiler
engineering.
H
B
That
is
what
I
understand
this
is
for
correct.
This
is
so
to
listen
to
the
way
you
described
it
and
the
way
it
was
worded
here
it
would
be.
It
would
give
the
public
the
perspective
that
this
is
for
the
whole
entire
project.
I've
had
people
call
me
and
ask
it's
just
to
remove
it
now
and
it's
like
they
would
like
to
see
it,
but
I
said
no.
This
is
not
right.
The
the
Brent
store
asked
canal.
B
H
B
B
Is
it
will
be
probably
an
additional
assessment?
What
was
two
things
were
discussed?
One
is
we
have.
We
currently
have
an
additional
assessment
of
$95
per
waterfront
property
per
year
because
for
the
perimeter
canal,
dredging
project
and
when
the
commitment
to
the
community
was
when
that
project
is
paid
for
that,
$95
goes
away.
B
Staff
wanted
just
to
continue
the
$95
and
go
ahead
and
fund
this
project
and
in
the
comment
from
some
residents,
was
a
wait
a
minute.
What's
this
study
for
and
that's
what
the
burn
styles
Canal
Advisory
Committee
said:
no
we're
not
going
to
we're
not
going
to
just
continue
the
$95
we're
going
to
stop
the
$95.
If
we,
if
we
come
up
with
another
number,
it
could
be,
you
know
whatever
it
is,
but
we
want
to
get
the
results
back
from
the
seawall
study
and
then
combine
that
with.
B
F
H
B
B
It
used
to
be
a
717
foot
channel
to
get
through
the
lock
that
we
widened
it
to
21
feet
and
that
cost
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
it
go
from
21
to
30
and
we're
only
having
to
pay
eighty.
You
know
years
later
for
saying
wow.
This
is
a
good
deal,
but
if
that's
not
what
this
is
for
so
this
this
gives
the
wrong
impression.
The
way
this
is
worded
I.
E
H
E
E
F
B
H
D
D
K
Last
hoorah
both
coming
up
and
presenting
this
to
you.
This
is
for
change,
order,
contact,
contract,
number
3
for
floor
design
contractors.
They
were
awarded
the
construction
contract
for
the
generator
replacement
at
the
main
water
treatment
plant.
This
is
their
emergency
unit
as
they
were
going
into
the
project,
the
main
line
that
goes
from
like
the
FPL
feeder
to
the
generator
underneath
the
water
plant.
There
was
a
short,
so
it's
approximately
6,000
feet
long
and
it's
something
that
must
be
done
in
order
to
be
for
it
to
be
compliant.
K
G
Marion
has
done
her
entire
career.
She
summed
it
up
perfectly
awesome.
I
I
would
add
to
that
that
this
is
the
main
power
feed
for
the
water
treatment
plant
that
the
shell
Creek
water
treatment
plant,
not
the
ground
water
plant.
It
is
working
currently,
but
it
could
fail
any
time.
So
we
really
need
to
correct
this,
and
I
also
would
add
that
we
have
leftover
money
from
other
CIP
projects.
That'll
cover
this
we're
not
asking
for
any
additional
money.
He
said.
G
B
G
B
E
Immune
from
Finance
I'm
going
to
introduce
to
you
Dwayne
Guthrie
from
reffed,
Ellis
and
Susan
for
me
gently.
Thank
you,
the
attorney
on
the
project
to
talk
about
to
you
about
the
impact
fees
and
what
the
recommendations
are
again.
This
is
just
a
report
and
we
will
also
garner
input
from
the
community
afterwards,
but
we
just
wanted
to
bring
this
to
you
to
start
the
discussion.
L
Councilmember,
it's
good
to
be
back
in
two
Gourley
I
appreciate
your
service.
I
know
this
is
a
tough
job,
especially
when
money's
involved,
there's
kind
of
went
to
offer
a
little
different
perspective,
a
lot
of
people
out
for
when
it
comes
in
back
fees,
kind
of
have
this
community
versus
and
developer
mindset,
and
then
a
normal
market.
It's
really
just
existing
people
overseas
newcomers,
and
often
it's
not
even
newcomers.
It's
just.
L
If
you're
in
the
community,
you
want
to
relocate
to
another
house,
a
new
house,
you're
gonna
have
to
pay
a
fee,
so
it's
really
about
just
providing
the
infrastructure,
that's
necessary
to
accommodate
growth.
It's
not
a
growth
control
measure,
but
it
is
a
way
to
help
everybody
pay
their
fair
share
and
that's
kind
of
why
the
language
has
been
used.
So
I'm
gonna
run
through
a
couple
slides
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview,
and
then
we
can
talk
like
Kristen
said
this
is
just
the
work
session.
L
L
In
this
report,
we've
adopted
or
not
dr.,
documented
current
infrastructure
standards
and
projected
out
the
need
for
improvements,
so
we
have
specific
improvements
identified
and
the
quantity
of
those
things
and
the
cost
of
those
things
we'll
show
you
those
as
we
go
through
the
presentation.
This
time
we're
transitioning
what
was
a
road
impact
feed
last
time
to
a
multi-modal
or
mobility
fee.
So
the
idea
is
shifting
from
moving
vehicles
and
the
old
methodology
to
more
of
moving
people.
So
it's
a
little
different
approach.
L
A
lot
of
communities
in
Florida
are
going
this
way
now,
especially
in
a
more
urban
setting,
it's
very
appropriate
for
cities
in
particular,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
biggest
change
as
far
as
the
methodology,
not
so
much
in
the
amount
of
the
fees.
But
then
we've
resurrected
impact
fees
for
public
safety
back
during
the
Great
Recession
from
Tagore's
or
rescinded.
There
are
suspended.
That's
the
best
word
I
think
there
are
fees
for
police
and
fire
we're,
bringing
those
back
and
and
recommending
that
those
be
adopted,
we're
combining
them
in
a
public
safety
fee.
L
But
we've
identified
different
standards
for
police
vehicles
versus
fire
vehicles
and
you
can
kind
of
see
how
that
calculations
are
done
and
then
this
time
we're
recommending
a
slightly
simplified
or
more
simplified
or
residential
impact
fee
schedule.
It's
based
on
size
thresholds
of
units
and
with
no
longer
any
distinction
between
multifamily
single-family.
L
Basically,
the
multifamily
apartments
condos
single-family
attached
townhouses.
We
don't
weren't
concerned
about
the
splitting
hairs
on
the
types
anymore,
we're
just
concerned
about
the
average
size
of
units.
So
the
current
approach
is
to
do
it
by
size
just
for
single
family,
but
we're
recommending
that
did
we
do
that
for
all
types
of
construction
generally
you're
attached
units
are
gonna,
be
at
the
smaller
end
of
the
spectrum
and
then
we'll
have
a
few
larger
houses
on
the
top
end.
So
you
kind
of
think
of
as
the
bell-shaped
curve.
L
So
you
kind
of
get
the
bigger
picture
and
then
we'll
dive
down
into
the
details
and
I'll
conclude
my
presentation
with
some
comparison,
slides
for
both
residential
and
retail,
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
the
proposed
numbers,
so
in
words,
this
kind
of
summarizes
what
we've
done
with
a
20-19
update.
We
have
current
fees
for
parks
and
trails
and,
like
I
said,
mobility
is
a
new
word
for
transportation.
L
L
We
just
want
to
maintain
those
current
levels
of
service
and
so
that
new
growth
doesn't
decrease
or
the
level
of
service
and
cost
quality
of
life
to
go
down
in
the
city.
So
again,
we're
using
functional
population
to
allocate
cost
between
residential
and
non-residential.
But
then
we
break
the
fees
down
on
the
residential
side
to
just
per
frige
number
of
people
in
a
housing
unit
to
differentiate
the
fees
and
then
the
jobs
for
density
are
jobs.
L
L
If
you
develop
so
most
of
the
increases
will
be
due
to
that
Public
Safety,
the
residential
fees
that
the
for
the
smallest
units
go
up
from
eighteen
hundred,
roughly
to
I
mean
from
eight
hundred
roughly
to
eighteen
hundred.
So
that's
a
significant
increase.
I'm!
Sorry,
the
track
toll
is
eighteen
hundred.
The
existing
total
is.
L
$488,680.50,
the
fees
are
expressed
per
square
foot
of
development
for
most
things
in
the
middle
there
you'll
see
there
are
some
charges
per
student
or
for
hotels
per
room.
So
you
have
to
kind
of
look
at
the
units
there
that
are
specified,
but
generally
the
per
square
foot
basis.
The
fees
are
going
up
or
square
foot
most
of
the
construction
costs
in
these
days,
or
at
least
$100
more
like
two
hundred
dollars
per
square
foot.
L
So
let's
look
at
the
details
for
each
one
of
these
four
parks
and
public
safety
I'm
going
to
show
you
like
two
slides
for
each
type
of
fee.
These
are
the
improvements
listed
at
the
top
that
we're
anticipating
doing
and
you
can
see
the
total
cost
the
gross
share
and
then
the
growth
costs
on
the
far
right.
The
really
the
fees
are
being
derived
based
on
the
total.
L
L
E
Christmas
immune
these
were
provided,
they
were
in
our
plans
for
either
funded
or
unfunded
projects,
because
some
of
them
are
still
looking
for
funding.
So,
if
maybe
you're
thinking
of
the
funded
projects
versus
unfunded,
but
those
are
some
of
the
ones
that
have
been
identified
as
potential
needs
over
the
next
ten
years.
B
D
B
L
Okay,
so
the
math
is
basically
to
take
the
gross
share
and
allocate
it
then
to
the
increase
in
projected
population
over
the
next
ten
years
and
that's
how
we
come
up
with
the
fees
and
then
we
differentiate
by
size
based
on
the
average
number
of
piece
people
for
housing
unit.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
on
the
bottom
there,
the
bottom,
where
it
talks
about
the
second
column
from
the
left,
the
average
person's
per
housing
unit.
This
is
how
the
entire
housing
stock
is
included
in
that
calculation,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
seasonal
units.
L
So
the
mobility
fees
are
similar
kind
of
thing.
There's
a
list
of
capital
improvements
that
we're
looking
at
funding
with
impact
fees.
The
gross
shares
are
identified.
If
you
look
at
the
bottom
impact
fees
are
only
paying
for
about
25%
of
these
projects,
so
over
the
next
ten
years
will
generate
it
roughly
1.8
million
dollars
to
help
out
the
funding
of
these
things
altogether.
It's
a
significant
capital
improvement
program
of
about
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars,
so
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
funding
to
come
from
other
revenues,
as
shown
at
the
bottom.
L
L
L
Okay,
the
last
one
with
Lube
different
methodology
on
public
safety.
We
document
in
our
current
levels
of
service,
so
when
we've
measured
the
square
footage
of
the
existing
Public
Safety
Building
fire
stations
and
that's
that
twenty
seven
thousand
square
feet.
Twenty
three:
twenty
seven
thousand
six
hundred
forty
eight
that's
kind
of
what
we're
going
to
use
this
at
our
level
of
service.
We
allocate
the
cost
based
on
functional
population,
so
Residential's
71%
of
the
cost,
non-residential
29%
of
the
cost,
and
then
we
allocate
the
gross
share
to
the
increase
in
projected
service
units.
L
So
here's
the
documentation
on
public
safety
vehicles
and
equipment
fires
shown
in
the
upper
left.
We
have
fire
trucks
and
other
vehicles,
mostly
pickup
truck
smaller
vehicles
like
that
and
then
on
the
bottom
right.
We
see
the
police
mucles
and
equipment,
so
we
have
patrol
vehicles,
we
have
motorcycles
boats
and
then
every
officer
gets
an
outfitting
of
new
gear,
protective
gear
weapons,
Tasers
all
those
kind
of
things
and
that's
included
there
so
that
initial
outlay,
roughly
eight
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
per
officer,
so
taking
those
levels
of
service
standards,
then
we
can
project.
L
The
growth
needs
to
maintain
our
current
staff
standards
over
the
next
ten
years
and
the
level
of
service
standards
are
kind
of
summarized
there
at
the
top.
And
then
the
you'll
see
the
the
under
the
blue
public
safety
facilities.
Need
you
kind
of
go
down
we're
going
to
over
the
next
ten
years,
need
to
expand
our
buildings
by
roughly
6,400
square
feet.
Add
additional
nine
officers
or
boniva
than
we
did
it
professore,
because
that
generates
the
need
for
an
additional
outfitting
of
the
officer
and
vehicles
have
to
be
driven
by
an
officer.
L
So
that's
a
good
way
to
project
the
increase.
So,
roughly
just
to
maintain
your
standards,
you
need
almost
the
officer
every
year
to
be
expanded
and
then
on
fire
vehicles,
we're
looking
at
three
additional
items,
but
they
of
course,
for
fire
costs
a
lot
more.
So
most
of
the
costs
2.2
million
is
for
buildings
and
then
approximately
500,000,
each
for
police
and
fire
for
vehicles
and
equipment.
L
So
we're
looking
at
roughly
3.2
million
dollars
of
capital
needs
due
to
growth
over
the
next
ten
years,
and
then
this
is
the
fee
calculations,
so
those
numbers
carry
over
to
the
top
of
this
table,
and
then
we
allocate
a
similar
methodology
to
residential
based
on
the
number
of
persons
browsing
unit
and
nonresidential
based
on
trip
generation
rates.
That's
the
coding,
there's
average
weekday
vehicle
trip
ends
a
trip.
It
is
like
a
car
pulling
into
a
new
business,
and
so
it's
like
a
traffic
counter
across
the
driveway.
L
That's
what
a
trip
end
is,
and
so
so
those
speed
calculations
you
can
see.
This
is
a
new
fee,
so
there's
no
existing
fee,
it's
just
an
increase.
The
increase
would
be
roughly
$800
for
the
small
residential
unit
up
to
roughly
$2,000
from
the
large
residential
unit
and
then
on
the
non-residential.
The
increases
again
are
generally
under
$1
per
square
foot
for
a
hotel
room.
L
One
hundred
and
forty
four
dollars
and
kind
of
see
the
fees
table
so
I
want
to
conclude
my
presentations
with
just
two
comparison:
slides
what
this
one's
for
residential
the
numbers,
a
little
small
I'll,
read
them
to
you,
because
I
know
it
doesn't
work
very
well.
We
we
asked
they
have
to
give
us
some
comparable
communities
to
compare
to
so
protagoras
on
the
left,
the
existing
and
proposed.
L
So
the
total
for
residential,
where
this
is
the
average
sized
unit,
would
go
from
one
thousand
eight
one
thousand
and
eighty
three
dollars
from
existing
today
up
to
three
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
dollars
that,
if
you
scroll
across
to
the
right,
I
can
use
my
mouse.
Maybe
you
can
kind
of
see
in
here.
So
if
you
just
go
this
way,
you
can
see
that
to
be
very
similar
fee,
slightly
under
what's
being
paid
in
Charlotte
County
at
the
time.
This
time,
and
also
north
court
is
roughly
twenty
nine
hundred
dollars.
L
So
just
a
little
less
other
communities
have
significantly
higher
impact
fees.
Soap
and
bonita
springs
is
over
nine
thousand
Kate
Quarles
5600
Meyers
5300
Sarasota.
Seventy
three
hundred
in
Venice,
eighty
three
hundred
so
other
communities
have
higher
impact
fees,
but
again
that
this
is
just
taking
the
total,
so
they
might
have
other
things
in
the
mix
other
than
just.
L
Comparison
slide
for
a
retail
does.
It
is
a
similar
layout
with
the
same
communities
who
decoders
numbers
over
here.
This
is
a
retail
impact
fee
for
a
hundred
thousand
square
foot
building,
and
so,
if
you
built
a
hundred
thousand
square
foot
building
and
put
into
corner-
and
you
have
to
pay
seventy
seventy
thousand
dollars
today-
it
would
go
up
to
ninety
nine
thousand
dollars
under
the
proposed
fees.
But
these
are
much
much
higher
in
other
communities
for
the
similar
building
and
bonita
springs.
It
would
be
1.2
million
dollar
impact
fee.
L
C
Had
a
few
few
comments,
just
in
looking
at
your
report,
one
one
thing
for
us
to
think
about:
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
think
the
impact
fees
can
rectify
our
financial
problems,
that
you
know
we
basically
have
an
understandable.
C
On
residential
taxes,
on
as
opposed
to
having
commercial
game
balance,
one
thing
with
this
I,
don't
know
if
the
state
takes
into
account
that
we're
at
80
percent
build-out
I
am,
but
we
actually
don't
have
much
more
room
in
the
cities,
so
the
some
degree
I
think
this
gives
the
appearance
that
there's
room
to
grow.
Also,
we
can't
fail
to
remember,
remember
the
impact
fees
can
only
be
used
for
new
and
expanded
things,
not
a
maintenance
of
our
existing
roads,
and
things
like
that.
C
So
with
that
said,
there's
not
really
much
more
gonna
go
into
the
equation
in
that
regard.
For
things
they're
going
to
be
sales
tax
projects,
you
know
those
are
those
are
going
to
be
their
own
thing
because
we
have
to
you
know
those
be
excess
funds
if
they
were
to
be
in.
You
know,
broad
as
impact
fees,
also,
even
if
full
build-out
say
twenty-five
hundred
Lots,
we
have
left
we're,
not
gonna,
be
adding
any
additional
roads
that
maybe
we
all
do
some
share.
C
Demographic,
because
one
thing
we
can't
forget
in
Punta
Gorda,
is
that
other
parts
of
the
county
have
a
significant
mega-projects
going
on,
and
our
existing
building
code
calls
an
exodus
of
our
downtown
to
leave,
and
so
we
don't
have
the
critical
mass
that
makes
us
have
a
demographics
to
really
justify
people
really
pretty
much
risking
capital
now
and
so
to
add.
Additional
impact
fees,
I
think,
is
if
the
timing
is
not
good
in
that
regard.
C
Secondly,
from
the
residential
standpoint,
though,
people
may
have
other
impact
fees
on
their
books,
they're,
not
actually
what
they
seem
like
Manatee
County
actually
has
a
fund.
Let's
say
for
four
pi
housing
were
to
be
able
to
take
those
impact
fees
out.
Sarasota
County
actually
is
workable
when
it
comes
to
there's,
the
soto
county
has
none
in
Collier
County.
If
for
your
120
ami
are
below,
you
can
defer
ttles
for
10
years.
A
To
that,
I
haven't
talked
to
several
developers,
I'm
trying
to
look
at
a
couple
projects
by
ourselves,
one
of
the
problems
with
impact
fees
in
our
areas,
because
our
ground
starts
so
high
anyway,
that
it
because
is
very
difficult
to
be
able
to
justify
an
investment
in
some
types
of
these
apartment
projects,
and
the
impact
fee
has
a
significant
portion
of
that.
The
payoff
becomes
gets
pushed
out
too
far.
I
think
we
do
need
to
be
cautious.
A
I
think
that
we
need
to
leave
impact
these
particularly
on
the
commercial
area
as
low
as
possible,
because
we
do
have
had
this
Exodus
and
we
want
I
believe
to
encourage
those
developments
to
come
in
the
future
and
they
will
pay
for
themselves.
I
I
go
back
to
my
my
issue
is,
is
that
we
are
pay.
We
are
receiving
less
and
Commercial
Taxes
today
than
we
were
prior
to
Charlie
and
that's
not
adjusting
for
inflation
and
impact
fees
are
one
of
the
factors
that
that
can
affect
that.
F
So
I.
You
know,
I
think
we
need
to
be
aware
that
we're
not
like
all
the
other
communities
that
are
that
you
compared
us
to
we're
just
not
like
those
communities
at
all.
We
have
a
very
different
city,
demographic
and
we
have.
We
have
to
be
aware
that,
in
order
to
keep
growing
our
city
the
way
we
want
to
grow
it,
we
have
to
be
a
little
more
moderate.
F
That's
that
was
my
perception
of
the
report
and
I
mean
I,
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
did
all
the
work
on
it
and
and
it's
something
that
we
have
to
compare
it
to
where
we
are
right
now,
but
but
I
do
need
to
see
what
other
stakeholder
groups
in
the
community
have
to
say
about
it.
B
Yeah
I
would
agree,
it's
a
great
there's,
a
lot
of
detail.
So
it's
a
good
piece
of
work
when
it
came
to
looking
at
the
comparison
between
the
increase
in
impact
fees
in
residential
versus
commercial
that
that
just
jumped
out
at
me,
and
we
already
say
we
have.
You
know
we
that
the
that
the
residential
is
is
supporting
the
community,
but
yet,
on
the
other
hand,
I
want
to
understand.
Why
would
we
want
those
impact
fees
to
be
where
they
are?
So
it's
you
know
it.
It's
a
Barris
discussion.
B
B
J
Just
I
agree
that
the
commercial
raising
the
commercial
impact
fees
is
a
concern,
but
my
other
concern
is
that,
as
we
continue
to
grow
and
as
there's
more
and
more
pressure
put
on
our
infrastructure,
we
do
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
we
need
to
fund
that
some
way
I
don't
this
is
a
lot
of
information
to
digest
and
I.
Think
really
until
we
hear
from
our
stakeholders,
I
mean
you
know.
Just
thank
you
for
your
work.
That's
about
all
we
can
say
yeah,
Gary,
I,.
A
But
the
point
being
is
because
of
the
impact
we
see
we
have,
they
still
have
a
portion
that
they
have
to
pay
to
the
county.
So
that's
a
little
bit
confusing
to
me.
We
need
to
be
able
to
get
our
fair
share.
Debbie
is
absolutely
correct.
The
purpose
of
an
impact
fee
is
not
for
today
it's
to
be
able
to
temper
and
prepare
for
tomorrow
so
that
we
don't
get
a
prohibitive
bill
at
a
later
date.
So
there's
a
balancing
act
here,
mm-hmm,
but
we're
in
a
situation
in
this
community
right
now
is
I.
A
Can't
emphasize
enough,
we
are
receiving
less
of
a
portion
of
our
income
from
commercial
than
we
did
prior
to
Charlie,
so
we
may
have
from
a
housing
standpoint
recovered
from
Charlie
in
2004,
but
we
have
not
from
a
commercial
standpoint
over
250
businesses
left
us
left
us
from
that
hurricane.
They
have
not
all
returned.
It's
very
obvious
in
the
in
the
revenue
generation
that
we're
getting
that.
A
That,
in
fact,
is
the
case
and
as
we've
all
discussed,
though
our
other
responsibility
is
as
to
as
Lynn
pointed
out,
to
grow
the
way
we
want
to
in
a
moderate
way,
so
that
these
big
development
projects
across
the
river
or
to
the
south
of
us
or
to
the
east
of
us,
don't
define
who
we
want
to
become
so
we
want
to
be
picky
at
the
same
time
and
I
think
that's
an
admirable
goal
on
our
part.
So
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
comment
in
there.
C
In
regard
to
annexation
and
even
expanding
our
utility
zone,
one
thing
I
think
we
have
to
do
as
a
board
is
we
have
to
let
staff
know
that
we're
open
to
the
idea
of
having
some
degree
of
growth
planning,
because
there
are
projects
which
the
city
could
have
benefited
from
as
a
present,
which
could
really
make
our
balance
sheet
much
stronger.
But
we
just
turned
down
just
because
we're
not
in
that
mind
to
do
that.
B
And
we
have,
we
have
developers
looking
at
app
projects
here,
especially
like
a
jones
loop
where
they
forced
main
project
is
going
to
be
completed,
and
so
that's
going
to
that's
going
to
disperse
something
happening,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
the
things
that
we
need
to
support
that
so,
okay,
I
guess
you've
heard
our
comments.
Do
you
have
questions
for
us
mayor.
M
And
council
members
Susan
for
the
record,
Susan
gently
I'm,
the
part
of
the
consulting
team
working
on
this
I,
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
were
aware
of
2
incentive
programs
that
the
town
adopted
when
we
set
up
the
initial
impact
fee
program.
One
is
for
affordable
housing
that
allows
for
qualifying,
affordable
housing
developments
to
defer
payment
of
impact
fees
and
there's
also
an
economic
development
incentive
program
that
right
now
would
allow
installment
payment
of
impact
fees
for
qualifying
industries.
M
That
is
a
very
flexible
tool
that
could
be
expanded
to
introduce
more
issues
about
the
quality
or
type
of
economic
development
that's
desired,
so
you
can
make
that
a
broad-based
incentive
or
a
very
targeted
incentive.
So
there
may
be
some
opportunities
in
that
area
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
you
have
on
those
issues.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
were
aware
those
were
out
there.
I,
don't
think
the
economic
development
incentive
program
has
been
used.
M
I
think
the
affordable
housing
program
was
recently
used
for
transfer
of
development
impact
fee
credits
from
one
site
to
another,
so
neither
of
them
because
of
when
they
were
adopted,
and
there
wasn't
a
lot
going
on
for
a
number
of
years.
Neither
of
them
have
had
a
lot
of
use,
but
the
economic
development
incentive
program
may
provide
you
a
tool
to
help
address
some
of
the
policy
issues
you're
concerned
about
so.
B
I
guess
I
have
a
question,
maybe
not
to
that,
but
in
the
situation
of
commercial
development,
that's
that's
looking
at
Punta
Gorda
and
we
look
at
the
other
commercial
development
rates
that
were
shown
on
on
the
slides.
There
are
some
that
have
you
know,
I
know
in
the
case
of
Starbucks
determined
years
ago.
They
wanted
to
be
here,
and
so
they
were
they've
been
looking
for
a
long
long
time.
They
would
have
been
here
a
long
time
ago
had
where
they
were
targeting
that
particular
property
worked
out.
B
So
it's
like
how
do
you
balance
those
that
they're
going
to
come,
whether
we
charge
them
this
or
this?
You
know,
you
know,
I
know
they
want.
They
look
at
the
numbers
and
they
want
to
make
the
numbers
work,
but
if
they're
targeting
us
and
when
they
want
to
come
here,
how
do
we
balance
that
so
we're
really
not
giving
away,
but
yet
we're?
Actually
we
want
to
encourage
that
growth.
D
D
L
Me
just
kind
of
help
clarify
that
what
Susan
was
saying,
I
think
I'm
just
kind
of
layman's
terms.
Is
you
really
don't
want
to
discriminate
by
type
of
land
use?
So,
in
other
words,
we
can't
just
say
we
want
retail
restaurants
I'm
not
in
charge
of
my
fee,
but
what
we
can
do
and
what
I
wanted
to
caution
you
is
that
doing
nothing,
not
updating
your
impact
fees
is
a
problem
because
we've
had
our
fees
now
since
2011.
So
we
need
the
update
them.
L
If
you
don't
want
to
increase
the
fees,
what
you
could
do
is
basically
say
all
right:
here's
our
list
of
capital
improvements
for
mobility,
we're
not
gonna,
do
line
item
two
three
four
and
take
those
out
which
would
make
the
fees
go
down
for
everybody
all
types
of
development.
So
you
could
do
that.
That's
that's
acceptable.
We
use
can't
might
say
we
want
to
charge
really
big
houses
but
not
charge
little
houses.
You!