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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 7-12-17 Part 5
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A
On
some
other
properties
in
the
city
center
and
they're,
struggling
with
whether
or
not
they
want
to
comply
with
the
restriction
that
says,
you
have
to
have
the
second
floor
and
you
have
to
have
the
look
of
a
second
floor.
Not
only
the
look
of
a
second
floor.
You
have
to
have
the
second
floor,
built
out
to
such
an
extent
that
somebody
could
occupy
it,
whether
they
occupy
it
or
not.
All
that
stemmed
from
again
after
Hurricane
Charley
citizens,
master
plan
and
our
land
development
codes
and.
B
A
A
and
so
they
come
to
us
and
sometimes
they're
able
to
make
it
work,
sometimes
they're
not,
and
for
the
most
part
we
still
have
some
infill
properties
that
are
not
developed
and
we
can
wait.
But
what
are
we
getting
at?
Are
we
trying
to
get
at
the
architectural
look?
Is
that
what
we're
trying
to
get
at?
A
A
C
I
mean
I
I.
Think
what
we've
enacted
is.
You
know
the
best-case
scenario,
but
without
any
wiggle
room,
like
you
said,
some
of
these
people
are
being
flat-out
turned
away,
especially
in
the
case
with
the
Z
I
mean
that's
a
that's
a
pretty
small
lot.
I
mean
that's,
not
a
no,
it's
big,
it
is
big,
so
I
guess
that's.
The
struggle
is,
like
you
know,
the
the
optimal
look
versus
what's
feasible
and
what's
doable
for
people
that
you
know
that
used
to
be
a
gas
station.
I
would
much
rather
see
a
nice
building.
C
There
I
mean,
even
if
it
is
a
one-story
than
in
a
gas
station.
So
I
guess
you
know
we
do.
We
do
need
to
rethink
some
of
these
and
see
see
where
we're
at
I
know
in
the
case
of
some
of
the
newer
buildings
that
have
been
built,
that
wasn't
it
quite
an
expense
to
have
to
build
out
the
second
floor,
for
you
know
the
extent
that
we
require.
That
is
a
significant
expense.
So
I
don't
know
it's
a
lot
to
think
about
Nancy.
D
Well,
you
know
I
I,
really
appreciate
what
Mitchell
has
prepared
for
us
to
help,
stimulate
this
discussion
and
give
us
some.
Some
ideas
and
I
know
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
back
in
2005
with
the
a
week
long
of
charettes
to
get
community
involvement
and
Jaime
Correa
put
together
a
considerable
list
of
standards
in
the
citizens.
D
Master
plan
that
became
help
became
part
of
the
basis
for
the
the
rewrite
of
the
LDRs
back
in
2005
I,
think
so,
but
that
was
12
years
ago
and
and
I
agree
with
Howard
that
we
keep
butting
into
some
of
these
codes.
That
and
I
you
know,
while
a
developer
or
a
business
may
not
want
to
do
something
on
one
side,
it's
it's
big.
We
look
the
way.
We
look
because
we
did
put
these
codes
in
place
and
we
do.
D
This
community
has
developed
nicely
recovered
nicely,
and
it's
why
in
Port,
Charlotte
they're
doing
you
know
faceless
41,
to
try
to
look
more
like
what
we
look
like,
because
it's
really
attractive
and
all
those
kinds
of
thing.
On
the
other
hand,
there
may
be
some
of
our
codes
that
might
not
be
give
us
the
flexibility.
We
need
many,
that's
the
feedback
that
you
got
Howard
when
you
had
roundtable
discussions,
and
so
there
may
be
some
that
we
feel
that
we
can
give
some
flexibility.
You
know
so
they
build
a
tall
roof.
D
It
doesn't
mean
that
there's
anything
in
it,
but
it
could
be
empty.
I
know
that
was
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
back
in
the
city
marketplace
for
the
previous
owner
and
the
previous
owner
of
the
city.
Marketplace
property
was
proposing
some
kind
of
a
u-shaped
shopping,
and
one
of
the
things
we
were
I
know
I,
remember,
standing
here
and
opining
is
that
the
representing
team
Fenig
or
des
was
we
did
was
he's
fake,
the
storefront.
D
We
wanted
to
see
full
height,
whether
it's
one
ceiling
one
floor,
a
four
and
a
half
or
two
had
to
be
the
whole
roof
structure,
because
this
previous
owner
has
built
up
something
up
in
Northport
where
the
second
floor
is
just
a
fake.
Like
a
Hollywood
movie
set
it's
up
there,
you
can
see
it.
It's
just
a
crazy-looking
thing,
so
we
didn't
let
that
downtown.
B
D
You
know
what
I
know
you
mentioned.
Well,
this
you
wouldn't
have
to
restrict
on
the
side
of
the
building.
I,
don't
want
to
see
straight
up
on
it
on
any
side
of
the
building,
really,
because
we
don't
want
to
create
wind
tunnels
and
yeah.
We
went
over
to
don't
worry,
Beach
a
group
of
us
back
in
2006
and
looked
at
Delray
Beach
and
what
they've
done
and
they
you
know
it's
like
two
stories
and
then
you
start
terracing
up
to
avoid
that.
D
D
Do
we
want
to
have
a
workshop
where
we
can
really
discuss
get
down
into
more
specifics
in
Mitte
gritty
or
some
kind
of
Charette,
where
we
can
actually
talk
about
the
nitty-gritty
in
more
detail
to
provide
more
feedback
to
staff
before
we
give
you
just
to
give
our
community
an
opportunity
to
provide
some
input
on
these
things?
Just
a
question
I
mean.
C
From
what
we've
heard
is-
and
this
is
the
conflict
that
I
keep
going
back
to-
is
that
the
Spring
Hill
Suites
well,
that
was
a
variance
that
was
59
feet
and
everybody
wanted
it.
But
yet
they
don't
want
to
change
the
50
foot
rule.
So
how
do
we
get
past
that?
So
you
know
whatever
I?
Don't
know
that
we'll
get
past
that
because
they
just
say
hi
Ryan,
hi
writers,
you
know
they
go
to
want
it
from
one
extreme
to
another
and
I.
C
You
know
I,
just
I,
don't
know,
because
the
Spring
Hill
Suites
is
a
prime
example
of
they
couldn't
get
to
where
they
needed
to
be
within
our
code,
and
that's
for
the
discussion
that
this
is
really
not
the
process
that
we
should
be
going
through
to
allow
the
additional
height
and
this.
This
is
a
great
project
for
our
community
I
mean
not
just
the
construction
jobs
but
the
long-term
jobs
they're
going
to
provide.
So
imagine
if
all
that
walked
away,
because
people
came
in
red
shirts
and
we
said
no
well
now,
yeah.
D
D
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
this
and
that's
not
the
only
empty
space
downtown
there
are
lots
of
empty
and
they've
been
empty
and-
and
you
know,
I
understand
the
suggestion
of
will
lower
the
price
and
make
it
reasonable
that
that's
not
the
way
it
works,
and
so
we
have
to
seek
innovative
solutions
to
be
able
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
solve
this
puzzle
and
I?
Think
what
you're
offering
is
some
kind
of-
let's
all
be
innovative
about
this,
so
that
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
help
us
see.
D
Some
of
the
infill
occurs.
Do
some
of
the
missing
piece
coming
back
so
that
it's
and
and
yet
retain
the
assort
character
of
the
community.
One
of
the
things
I
saw
was
a
a
date
Punta
Gorda
History
Center
board
meeting
yesterday
and
in
the
new
history.
Center
is
a
beautiful
photograph
of
the
old
Punta
Gorda
hotel.
It
was
seven
stories
tall
up
to
the
top
of
the
tower
now
seven
stories
back.
Then
they
had
high
ceilings
because
they
didn't
have
air-conditioning.
So
each
story
was
what
how
tall
would
you
think
a
story
would
have
been?
B
D
C
D
C
B
F
If
the
hardship
itself
created
that
is
I
want
to
have
this
structure,
which
is
above
the
requirements,
that's
not
a
legitimate
basis
for
a
variance
and
if
the
City
Council
says
yeah,
but
it
would
be
good
for
the
city,
you
know
for
jobs
and
what
have
you
and
so
we're
going
to
grant
the
variance
that's
an
unlawful
use
of
our
process.
That's
not
to
say
we
can't
invent
some
different
type
of
process
and
not
call
it
a
variance,
and
the
sword
gives
a
framework
for
doing
something
like
that.
F
The
only
concern
that
I
have
is
that
when
we
do,
that
is
that
you,
and
and
even
since
this
code,
our
code
was
adopted.
The
the
courts,
including
the
US
Supreme
Court,
has
said
that
you
can't
make
a
developer,
do
something
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
so
that
they
can
gain
some
sort
of
additional
advantage,
whether
it's
height
or
otherwise,
unless
that
is
necessary
to
ameliorate
an
impact
caused
by
that
development,
for
example,
here
we're
talking,
art
and
I
do
want
to
ask
then
but
I'll
ask
now.
Why
are
you?
F
C
G
It
also
seems
to
me
that
one
of
the
constrictions
to
the
height
of
a
building
that
would
be
built
in
Punta
Gorda
that
we're
not
discussing
this
is
the
cost
of
going
up.
As
you
go
up
and
height,
your
cost
per
square
footage
goes
up
because
you
have
to
engineer
various
masses
because,
as
you
go
up
in
height
you're,
adding
more
and
more
mass
and
there's
structural
issues
and
so
forth,
so
it's
and
then
there's
also
the
cost
of
land
and
Punta
Gorda
versus
other
communities.
G
Our
costs
are
probably
relatively
low
compared
to
other
communities
such
as
Naples
or
downtown
Fort.
Myers
reason
that
you
go
up
when
you
live
in
a
city
of
Chicago
like
I,
did
or
Manhattan
New
York
it's,
because
the
land
is
so
valuable.
The
only
way
you
can
make
it
profitable
is
by
pushing
your
mass
up
as
high
as
you
can
so
we're
not
going
to
have
a
Hancock
building
or
Empire
State
Building.
Somebody
wanting
to
build
that
here.
G
Then
you
also
have
to
constraints
of
the
property
itself
and
we're
experiencing
that
just
with
the
library
as
we
started
to
remediate
the
land
so
that
we
could
build
a
library
that
isn't
anywhere
near
these
height
we're
finding
that
additional
cost
that
weren't
expected
to
be
able
to
make
the
soil
such
sufficient
to
hold
the
mass
of
that
building.
There
may
be
some
of
these
kind
of
issues
in
our
downtown
area
also,
and
those
they're
going
to
limit
the
height
to.
G
We
have
a
responsibility,
I
think
as
counsel
and
his
staff
to
set
up
a
reasonable
set
of
rules
to
dictate
such
as
we're
trying
to
discuss
here.
I
think
our
primary
concern
should
be
a
number
of
the
issues
that
Mitchell
is
addressing
here
and,
in
the
other
one
case,
of
what
the
architectural
ambiance
is
that
we're
looking
for
in
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
and
the
personalities
of
what.
G
B
G
Think
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
where
the
sage
story
came
by,
came
up
or
not,
but
I
seem
to
recall
in
one
of
the
previous
meetings.
I
said
if
somebody
came
with
a
master
plan
for
that
big
piece
of
property
in
Center
City,
and
they
want
to
put
up
an
eight
story
building
as
a
centerpiece
of
it,
with
a
beautiful
plan
around
that
I
could
go
along
with
that,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
promoting
that
I
want
to
see
an
eight
story.
Building
put
up
in
that
area.
G
That's
not
what
I
was
meaning
that
wasn't
a
garden
I
want
to
see.
I
would
like
to
see
a
developer
come
through
with
something
that
is
really
Wow,
something
that
we
input.
The
garden
would
be
all
proud
to
have
and
so
forth.
They
would
fit
within
the
infrastructures
that
the
city
can
also
promote
and
the
same
thing
as
you
go
down.
G
G
H
G
I
had
Pearl
Street
is
a
old
commercial
district,
with
some
beautiful
old
storefronts
and
buildings
and
restaurants
that
were
built
in
the
1880s,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
the
evolution
when
you
get
to
the
end
of
Pearl
Street.
There
were
these
five-story
buildings
that
we
saw
that
had
stores
on
the
front
and
they
were
tarish
to
every
single
floor.
It
was
a
reason
for
that
and
when
you're
right
next
to
it,
you
look
up.
G
You
don't
see
that
Terrace
II,
but
when
you're
across
the
street
it
aesthetically
was
quite
pleasing
because
you
saw
these
multi-use
terrorists
and
people
had
some
plants
on
their
their
patios
and
so
forth,
and
it
was
beautiful.
So
those
types
of
things
are
available
with
the
techniques
that
the
Mitchell
is
proposing
here.
I
think
it's
a
complicated,
convoluted
thing
we
want
to
do
it
right,
I
think
we
have
to
have
this
discussion.
G
I
commend
staff
I
believe
in
trying
to
devise
things
and
educate
us
on
the
way
these
work,
architectural
II,
so
that
we
don't
have
discussions
that
are
erroneous,
that
that
are
misleading,
where
I
do
believe.
We're
a
transparent
government
we're
a
transparent,
Council,
we're
not
putting
out
smoke
and
mirrors,
and
that
this
is
a
way.
This
type
of
discussion
is
absolutely
necessary,
so
I
think
we
have
to
continue
this
discussion
so
that
we
can
develop
our
code
in
the
future.
G
I
I
It
always
has
been
a
small
city
which
had
a
very
robust
economy
which
is
based
on
industries
related
with
old
Florida,
Gulf,
Coast
and
seasonal
residents,
which
is
like
fishing
cattle
phosphate
tourism.
This
is
the
first
time
in
history
of
the
city
where
we
do
not
have
a
year-round
communist
importance
working
residents.
This
is
something
I
think
that
I'm,
there's
really
not
impacting
on
us,
is
that
us
not
having
a
a
robust
downtown
is
hindering
us
in
a
way
that
the
city
is
130
years.
I
We've
not
been
in
the
place,
we're
in
right
now
and
why
I'm,
showing
these
pictures
is
that
I
want
people
to
understand
that
Punta
Gorda
has
always
had
buildings
that
have
been
taller
than
we
have
right
now.
This
in
this
is
also
showing
that
we
stagger
the
heights
that
I'm
with
good
architecture.
We
don't
have
issues
with
monolithic
buildings,
we're
at
this
point
now
we
could
have
a
whole
bunch
of
fat,
50
storey
buildings
which
are
really
horrible
architecture.
This
this
is
beautiful,
and
this
is
actually
who
we
are
and
we
I
guess.
I
We
cannot
fail
to
also
understand
that
we've
still
not
recovered
from
Hurricane
Charley
there.
We
are
200
businesses
less
than
we
had
after
the
storm,
and
we
have
to
do
what
we
need
in
order
to
get
ourselves
back
on
track.
We
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
offer
residents
services
which
would
they
like
and
not
raise
taxes.
We
have
to
have
a
commercial
residential
ratio
of
75
to
25
percent.
I
We're
ten
percent
right
now,
and
so
us
not
having
a
downtown,
that's
vibrant
is
is
a
major
issue
and
I
think
that
what
Mitchell
has
done
he
has
done
exactly
this.
This
is
how
Punta
Gorda
was
designed.
We
have.
We
have
good
architecture,
it
has
things
like
setbacks,
proper
place,
investment
on
vegetation
and
lighting.
We
can
very
easily
have
a
street-level
view
which
normal,
even
though
the
heights
but
I,
do
think
it's
just
very
important
for
us
to
understand
that
our
city
cannot
survive.
I
Unless
we
do
this,
we
have
Northport
and
we
have
Babcock
Ranch,
which
are
actually
serious
about
maintaining
a
vibrant
economy
and-
and
we
were
right
now-
we're
just
lucky
that
we're
just
where
this
the
county
seat.
If
we're
not
serious
about
supporting
our
working
population,
we
will
have
a
major
issue:
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
have
the
lifestyle
we're
right
now,
so
this
is
just
an
example
of
I'm
in
full
support
of
having
them
continue
and
creating
an
architecture
in
this
manner.
I
I
think
they'll
again,
like
I,
said
earlier,
that
we
should
allow
urban
design
to
practice
their
craft
and
I
think
that
they've
done
a
very
good
job
and
I
think
that,
with
with
the
conditions
which
Mitchell
and
his
team
have
put
on,
it,
I
think
we'll
have
a
beautiful
downtown
but
I
think.
If
we
do
not
do
this,
we
do
not
have
the
option
to
not
do
this
I
think
we're
we're
waiting
for
some
mystery
person
to
make
a
budget
like
somehow
economically
viable
50-story
and
50-foot
buildings.
I
B
I
Weren't
particularly
safe,
but
there
was
a
desire
to
have
a
product
which
a
tourist
customer.
Basically
that
was
built
that
way
because
she
had
seasonal
residents
that
came
from
that
Long
Island
Western,
Long
Island
bike
ran
a
great
gatsby
kind
of
area
like
Port
Washington
in
the
area,
but
you
had
to
build
in
this
manner
to
attract
this
kind
of
person,
and
you
know
we've
always
had
strong
tourism,
but
our
tourism
wasn't
like
our
leader
like
it
is
now.
I
We
also
balance
with
other
things,
and
at
this
point
in
general,
we
need
to
make
it
so
that
probably
at
this
point
we
want
to
have
robust
retail
space,
but
I
do
think
if
we
were
to
build
in
the
character
of
I,
mean
of
who
we
are
but
I
think
playing
to
the
historical
nature
that
we
have
I.
Think
that's
a
tourist
product,
that's
also
a
retail
product.
I
Don't
like
you
said
they
wouldn't
have
had
those
rules,
but
probably
the
rules
of
capitalism
required
them
to
build
that
way
if
they
desired
to
have
robust
downtown
and
they
wanted
to
be
the
leader.
Just
Punta
Gorda
was
the
most
prosperous
town
in
Florida
at
one
time,
because
it
took
its
business
seriously
and
I
think
that
we
can
have
a
very
prosperous
town
again
that
we
take
business
seriously.
So.
E
E
I
I
would
say
you
know
again.
This
is
an
example.
The
next
time
we
meet
I
mean
we
have
workshop
or
whatever
I'll,
actually
bring
pictures.
There's
the
street
called
MOCA
Sandow,
which
is
where
all
the
fashion
district
is
until
kill,
and
it's
a
tree-lined
Street.
They
have
the
buildings.
You
really
can't
see
them
because
they've
done
such
a
good
job
with
the
design
of
the
street
level
2.
I
B
I
Think
an
architectural
style
argument
could
be
made.
I
think
that
we
decide
like
we
know,
admission
and
staff
were
to
make
an
argument
that
this
is
who
Punta
Gorda
is,
and
this
is
how
we
design
that
we
need
to
have
these
kind
of
recesses
and
setbacks
and
winding
things
I
think
there
can
probably
be
a
design
argument
that
can
be
made
I
mean,
but
I
do
think
government
should
do
it.
I
I'd,
like
in
the
case
of
Tokyo,
I'm
fairly
sure
that
their
government
has
strict
rules
on
how
that
streets
going
to
look
because
they
because
again
the
one
bad
building,
one
out
of
spot,
the
one
that
doesn't
have
that
it's
going
to
be
the
one
messes
everything
up.
Everybody
I
think
for
probably
to
me
to
answer,
probably
for
the
collective
good
of
our
businesses.
You
would
want
to
have
a
cohesive
plan.
That's
going
to
benefit
all
the
other
businesses
around.
Maybe
that's
one
argument
items.
J
I
do
see
a
need
to
consider
relaxing
the
code
slightly
to
accommodate
some
of
the
buildings
that
we
would
like
to
have
in
our
downtown
Center
City
I
do
also
see
the
need
to
maybe
update
some
of
the
master
plan,
ideas
from
2005
2004,
because
I
think
our
community
has
changed
format
since
that
time
and
I
would
love
to
see
some
of
these
projects
come
to
fruition
that
are
on
the
table.
Right
now
and
and
I
hate
to
see,
people
have
to
spend
money
that
they
don't
really
need
to
spend
by
building
a
two-story
building.
J
They
can't
occupy
so
I
do
see
a
need
to
modify
some
of
the
code
restrictions
and
and
to
consider
relaxing
the
height
code
slightly.
However,
I
am
not
in
favor
of
issuing
a
blanket.
We
can
build
up
to
8
storeys
tall
kind
of
a
amendment
to
our
code,
because
I
don't
think
that's
what
the
people
in
the
city
want.
I
have
talked
over
the
past
week,
I've
probably
talked
to
over
200
citizens
in
the
community
and
and
there's
a
very
clear
message
that
they
don't
want
it
to
become
Fort.
J
C
J
If
we
decide
there's
a
new
process,
we'd
like
to
use
but
and
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
turn
down
any
viable
project
that
comes
down
the
pike,
because
we
do
want
to
fill
in
the
missing
teeth
in
the
downtown
area
and
I'd
like
to
see
our
business
community
become
more
profitable
for
lack
of
a
better
way
to
say
it,
but
I
think
the
city
also
needs
the
business
of
commercial
sales
tax
front.
That
comes
with
all
of
that.
J
In
order
for
us
to
continue
growing
and
prospering
in
the
future,
and
the
current
businesses
downtown
are
struggling
right
now,
so
we
do
want
to
have
some
of
that
development
I'm,
just
not
in
favor
of
a
blanket
of
a
change
of
the
height
restriction
across
the
board.
I
think
we
still
need
to
have
some
restrictions
on.
I
Say
we're
one
of
the
few
places
where
someone
has
to
go
to
the
due
diligence
period
and
just
throw
the
ball
up
in
the
air
and
hope
something
land
and
then
the
time
go
away.
I
mean
like
I'm
looking
just
at,
but
if
we're
going
off
of
our
precedent
of
let's
say
that
the
building
right
there
that
103
feet,
if
we
just
do
four
storeys
14
foot
plus
five
feet
for
four
for
your
FEMA,
that's
75
feet,
I've
asked
builders
whether
it
was
a
good
number.
I
So
many
voted
me
experiment
we're
going
to
have
a
number,
but
one
thing
I
think
people
are
worried
about
us
becoming
maples
are
Sarasota
we're
older
than
both
of
those
cities.
If
we
were
going
to
be
that
city
would
be
them
already,
we
were
where
we
were
incorporated
before
then
I
think
it's
really
understood.
People
in
the
city
have
known
what
they
wanted
and
we
look
the
way
we
want
to
and
I
I
think
that
if
we
simply
return
to
pretty
much
our
heritage,
we
will
have
a
properly
designed
downtown
that
allows
for
beautiful
architecture.
I
C
B
C
Here
with
projects
they're
not
going
to
purchase
the
land,
if
they
think
they're
going
to
have
to
jump
through,
25
foots
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
be
the
Department
of
no,
but
when
we
get
in
you
know,
staff
has
to
do
strict
and
literal
reading
of
what's
in
the
book
and
that's
their
job,
and
when
the
book
says
no,
then
they
got
to
tell
those
people.
No
so
I,
don't
know
the
Flex
can
be
definitely
some
kind
of
flexibility.
If
it's
a
number
I
guess
we
can
start
looking
at
that,
I
did
eight
I.
C
B
F
Doing
it
with
digging
like
plant
organs,
know
what
plan
okay.
This
is
something
that
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
doing
and
it's
been
around
for
a
while,
and
the
idea
is
the
the
higher
it's
kinda
like
what
this
was
in,
but
the
higher
you
go.
First
of
all,
you
have
to
either
create
more
and
increasing
the
setbacks,
but
then
the
higher
you
go,
there's
like
a
45
degree
angle,
so
that
the
buildings
are
stepped
back
to
maintain
sunlight
and
air,
and
maybe
that
that's
it's
a
it's
a
Trident
to.
F
Area
and
it's
it's
well
justified,
and
so
that
way
you
don't
really
have,
although
I
suppose,
there's
no
reason
why
we
couldn't
put
a
maximum
height
limit,
but
the
height
is
limited
by
the
land
that
you
have
available
to
meet
the
required
setback.
As
you
go
up,
the
setbacks
get
bigger
and,
as
you
go
up,
the
angle
diminishes
how
high
you
can
go
limited
by
the
size
of
the
property.
B
E
G
G
I
think
that
as
a
council
person
sitting
up
here
with
a
set
of
skills
that
don't
necessarily
have
an
expertise
in
urban
design,
but
having
learned
enough
to
understand
that
I
have
to
think
that
has
a
little
bit
of
expertise
in
this
area,
and
we
want
to
have
what
those
high
prescriptions
are
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement.
We
want
some
kind
of
height
restrictions.
Just
what
dictates
that
you
know
we
can
pick
a
number.
It
may
be
a
physics
question.
It
may
be
an
architectural
question.
G
It
could
be
any
one
of
a
number
of
questions
and
or
a
combination
of
those
two
and
I
think
it's
really
would
be
who,
from
my
perspective,
to
let
our
urban
design
staff
take
these
issues
that
we've
just
brought
up
together
and
use
their
magical
craft
to
come
up
with
a
way
that
we
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
of
where
we
want
to
go
at
least
I'm.
Getting
that
sense.
We
have
it.
We
have
questions
among
us
on.
C
J
E
E
J
Wouldn't
so
that
so
that
we
can
get
a
perception
of
what
it
would
actually
look
like
I
understand
it
can't
be
built
on
that
space,
but
just
the
sake
of
looking
at
a
rendering
and
getting
a
visual
impact
of
what
that
could.
Potentially
look
like
I
would
like
to
see
that
I
think
that
would
be
important.
C
J
A
D
D
I
know
that
the
architect
who
designed
the
Sun
off-center,
really
wanted
to
build
all
50
feet
on
the
city,
marketplace
property
and
that
would
look,
excuse
us
Lee
and
so
and
that's
why
I
was
suggesting
even
stepping
back
after
two
or
three
stories
is
more
important.
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
more
Sun,
laugh
centers.
If.
F
B
F
J
F
Been
upheld,
and
so
we
know
it's
legal
and,
and
you
pick
a
let's
pick,
a
maximum
height
of
whatever
or
a
average
height,
and
then
you
impose
this
day
like
playing
ordinance.
It
says
you
can
go
as
high
as
as
you
can
go
as
long
as
you
fit
into
the
parameters
that
have
been
established,
meaning
that
you
know
if
you
have
a
narrow
Lots
in
order
to
meet
that
they
like
playing
ordinance.
You
may
not
be
able
to
go
more
than
you
know
three
stories
in
two
stores
whatever.
F
But
if
you
have
a
huge
lot
like,
like
you
know
the
marketplace,
you
might
be
able
to
go
pretty
much
like
what
we
have
in
this
photo
as
long
as
it
ultimately
remains
in
that
well
recognized
formula
to
make
sure
that,
from
aesthetics
and
from
light
and
from
air,
you
don't
have
this
massive
model.
If
it's
going
straight
up,
200
feet,
yeah.
I
E
Do
have
one
point
of
clarification
that
I
would
like
from
the
city
attorney
in
regards
to.
Currently
we
have
a
50
foot
height
limit
and
it's
my
understanding
under
the
provisions
of
the
Bert
Harris
act
that
we
any
restriction
on,
that
additional
restriction
may
be
subject
to
legal
action
by
those
property
owners.
F
K
F
To
address
how
do
we
make
changes
in
the
current
code
that
are
more
restrictive
than
otherwise?
In
fact,
you
know
the
standard
legal
argument
is
that
when
you
buy
a
piece
of
property,
it's
owned
a
particular
way.
There's
they're,
not
you're,
not
guaranteed
that
there
won't
be
a
change
in
the
zoning
for
itself,
for
example,
down
zoning,
which
has
been
recognized
as
as
legally
appropriate.
C
D
C
D
D
G
E
E
E
Of
those
would
be
east
of
41
along
Marion.
You
also
have
the
old
you
save
site
the
two
blocks
of
the
city
marketplace.
There
are
a
couple
of
other
blocks
that
exist
where
there's
only
like
an
existing
one-story
building,
that's
non
historic
in
nature,
a
single
owner
owns,
but
it
could
be
potential
redevelopment
sites
very
few
and.
G
D
The
earth-
I
guess
the
other
thing
I
think
about
is-
is
taking
some
of
these
I
think
about
the
properties
across
from
the
Charlotte
community
foundation.
That's
a
whole
block
at
the
end
of
the
block.
There's
nothing
around
it,
that's
really
tall.
So
what
I
would
hope
that
what
we
produce
is
something
that
helps
introduce
the
concept
of
scale
so
that
we
encourage
not
5.
You
know
four
storeys
like
right
now
they
can
go
50
feet,
but
it's
going
to
warp
everything.
D
E
There's
sort
of
two
or
three
ways
you
can
go
about
doing
that
you
could
develop
a
master
plan
for
the
entire
district
and
say
these
particular
blocks
are
suitable
for
X
number
of
storey.
Maximums.
These
blocks
are
suitable
for
X
number
of
storeys
and
step
down
from
the
center
towards
the
surrounding
uses.
I
mean.
C
J
If
you're,
if
you're
going
to
be
digging
in
your
archives
anytime
soon,
could
you
find
the
renderings
of
the
original
City
marketplace
concept
that
was
approved?
I
probably
have
it
in
my
archives,
at
home,
from
when
I
was
on
the
Planning
Commission,
but
we
approved
at
Planning,
Commission
and
City
Council
approved
a
building
that
exceeded
the
height
limit
and
it
was
a
beautiful,
beautiful
project,
and
that
would
be
nice
for
the
current
city
council
members
to
see
because
that
was
already
approved
at
one
point
in
time
and
it
fell
apart
because
of
the
developers
funds.
C
F
I
was
there's
been
a
lot
of
constructive
discussion
over
the
last
couple
of
weeks
to
get
us
closer
to
a
conceptual
settlement
agreement
that
I
can
think
forward
to
you.
We're
done
with
all
the
briefs
which
is
waiting
for
going
for
the
court
to
make
their
arguments.
But
this
is
the
I'm
where
hopefully
we
can
bring
something
that
everyone
can
live
with
and
avoid
going
to
court,
because,
no
matter
what
decision
the
judge
makes
one
side
of
the
other
is
likely
to
take
an
appeal.
F
So
so
that
would
be
to
avoid
that
and
think
everybody
go
forward.
Happy
I
was
hoping
to
hear
this
morning
that
doesn't
kind
of
keeping
my
eye
on
my
emails.
We're
waiting
to
hear
back
from
the
petitioners.
They
hit
the
heirs
of
Tribune
and
apparently
it's
taking
a
while
to
get
them
all
on
board
with
something
so
soon
very
straight.
I
think
we're
going
to
have
something
foreclose.
B
B
F
C
K
All
right,
starting
with
vacancies,
we
have
an
unexpired
term
on
the
utility
advisory
board
and
unexpired
term.
As
an
alternate
on
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
We
have
two
three
year
terms
on
the
building
board.
Both
of
those
individuals
are
eligible
for
reappointment,
so
I
have
a
problem
there
and
a
three
year
term
on
the
historic
preservation
advisory
board.
K
K
Okay
under
nominations:
we
have
an
unexpired
term
on
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
and
we
have
two
eligible
applicants
and
we
have
the
same
two
eligible
applicants
under
appointment
for
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
So
if
you
would
like
to
I
think
your
options
are
to
either
table
these
nominations
for
these
two
individuals
and
move
on
to
it.
When
we
look
at
the
appointments
for
this-
and
you
will
you'll
choose
one
of
these
individuals,
the
other
individuals
and
would
move
on,
and
we
could
possibly
get
some
additional
applicants
for
those
seats.
K
Your
second
option
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
nominate
and
a
point
as
we
do
when
we
have
one
vacancy-
and
we
have.
One
applicant,
sometimes
will
nominate
and
appoint
both
if
you'd
like
to
do
that
here,
rather
than
going
through
the
process
of
nominating
the
both
appointing
one
and
then
waiting
until
August
to
eventually
appoint
the
other
one.
Because
again,
if
we
look
at
what
we
have
traditionally
done,
council
has
a
policy
that,
once
we've
nominated
individuals,
we
don't
take
additional
applicants.
K
That's
why
I
would
suggest
if
we,
if
we
want
more
applicants,
that
we
would
table
the
nominations
for
one
seat
and
appoint
one
individual
to
the
other.
Alternatively,
you
can
nominate
an
appoint
as
we've
traditionally
done
when
we
have
an
equal
number
of
applicants
to
the
number
of
seats.
So
it's
up
to
you
how
you'd
like
to
proceed
with
the
boarding
of
the
zoning
at
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
So
your.
D
K
Things
I
could
appoint
someone
today
we
have
two
regular
seats
and
one
if
we
do
a
point,
these
two
individuals
we're
going
to
have
to
alternate
seats
that
are
vacant
I'm.
Really
one
of
these
individuals
is
not
interested
in
the
alternate
seat,
so
we
may
not
have
that
person
interested
in
an
alternative,
but
we
do
have
two
regular
seat.
My.
J
C
D
F
K
Of
meetings
in
2015
they
met
15
or
sorry
50
percent
of
the
time
in
2016,
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
met
twice
all
year
this
year
they
have
out
of
six
months,
have
met
five
times
and
if
that's
possible,
because
there's
just
a
lot
more
going
on
in
the
city
right
now,
so
there's
more
issues
going
to
the
board,
and
so
they
they
need
to
schedule
meeting
it
not
scheduled
meeting.
Obviously,
if
there's
no
business
to
come
before
the
board,
so
okay.