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A
C
C
B
D
Morning,
Randall
Cole,
chief
building
official:
this
is
just
to
maintain
customer
service
and
and
keep
my
resources
in
line
where
they
should
be,
rather
than
pull
building
inspectors
off
in
the
afternoon.
The
regular
duties
to
do
line
of
grades
or
deal
with
some
drainage
issues
on
new
construction,
I'd
like
to
relegate
that
to
a
specific
person.
I.
D
D
Yes
and
when
we
go
out
and
do
you
deal
with
it
with
a
drainage
site
on
new
construction,
it's
not
just
a
drive-by.
Typically,
the
neighbors
like
to
be
contacted
and
have
a
conversation,
and
so
it
gets
into
a
20
or
30
minute
program,
which
is
okay,
but
those
are
other
things
we're
not
getting
done
with
that
particular
professional
out
there.
So
I'd
like
to
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
E
D
F
And
Chris
and
Simeon
interim
finance
director
for
the
record,
we
will
be
coming
back
in
October
for
the
actual
appropriation
of
the
funds
to
fund
the
position,
but
they
wanted
to
get
going
with
staffing
the
position.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank.
A
F
A
G
F
G
Well,
the
reason
I'm
bringing
this
up
is
because,
in
conjunction
with
the
next
agenda
item,
I
have
had
a
lot
of
people,
because
this
is
my
district.
I
have
had
a
huge
amount
of
citizen
input
this
weekend
from
people
that
live
in
the
bird
section.
Who
will
be
assessed
for
this
project,
who
are
now
very
concerned
that
it
appears
that
it's
now
gone
up
to
two
and
a
half
million.
G
When
you
look
at
the
priorities
for
the
special
use
fund
for
the
two
loans,
it's
four
hundred
and
fifty
three
thousand
for
the
land
purchase
and
then
it's
two
million
for
the
actual
construction
of
the
channel
and
this
bill
of
goods
was
sold
to
the
citizens
in
the
bird
section
as
a
million
and
a
half
project,
and
now
we're
up
a
million
dollars
from
that.
So
I'm
very
concerned
that
this
is
not
the
way
it
was.
G
G
B
I
understand
your
concern.
Lynn,
however,
I'd
like
to
point
out
a
couple
things
one
is:
is
there
is
the
potential
for
some
grant
money
available?
We
don't
know
that
Israel
isn't
right.
Also.
We
also
know
from
the
numbers
that
we
do
have
that
the
estimated
increase
in
value
of
the
properties
will
be
between
as
I
believe,
25,000
to
almost
$80,000
per
lot
for
the
dirt
itself.
So
we
are
still
looking.
B
Our
constituents
are
looking
at
a
25
to
1
greater
ROI,
even
if
we
go
up
to
$1,000
assessment
with
that
said,
we've
been
talking
about
this
project
for
over
20
years.
This
is
not
a
time
for
us
to
get
weak-kneed,
I
believe
and
even
a
two
and
a
half
million.
It's
still
gonna
be
a
good
deal
now.
I
think
it's
up
to
5
million
I'm,
absolutely
I'm,
not
just
throwing
that
number
out
by
the
way.
It's
not
a
concrete
number.
B
Okay,
I
just
want
to
say
that
at
some
point
we
do
have
to
say
ouch
but
I,
don't
think
we're
close
to
an
ouch
number
at
this
point
in
time
and
we
would
be
doing
a
disservice
because,
when
we've
postponed
things
we've
seen
such
as
the
library
is
a
good
example.
We
see
those
costs
go
up
even
further.
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
go
forward
and
go
forward
now.
I'm.
A
About
it,
well,
the
amounts
still
gonna
change
when
I
mean
until
we
had
a
permit,
we
didn't
know
what
we
were
building
so
the
numbers.
That's
why
we
never
really
wanted
to
say
a
number.
It
was
always
a
guesstimate,
because
until
we
had
that
permit
in
our
hand
we
didn't
know
the
parameters
and
I
think
our
engineer
did
an
excellent
job
of
trying
to
give
us
the
best
estimate
that
he
could
I
mean
if,
unfortunately,.
G
G
A
E
You
know
what
how
residents
can
feel
that
when
we
perhaps
tossed
a
number
out
there,
on
the
other
hand,
the
reality
is,
it
hasn't
been
bid
its.
We
don't
have
a
number,
so
I
can
understand
exactly
what
you're
saying
land
I've
had
some
people
comment
myself
like
wow
the
numbers.
It
seems
to
be
increasing.
E
E
C
A
C
As
he
has
the
final
design
and
bid
specs
we'll
come
back
to
Council,
perfect
I.
Think
it's
important
and
you
know
by
the
time,
is
all
of
a
sudden
done.
Maybe
we'll
be
around
the
2
million
mark
I
mean
you
know,
but
we
don't
know
yet
the
design
and
put
the
bid
specs
together
and
and
see
where
his
thoughts
are.
At
that
point
and.
G
B
It
seems
to
me
that
it
behooves
us
to
educate
the
people
yeah
then
one
is
it
explained
to
them?
What
kind
of
reverse
return
on
investment
they're
gonna
get
for
this
project
and
also
what
the
difference
is
between
it
and
where
we're
at
so
that
we
can
go
forward
because
it
as
many
people
as
they're,
either
going
to
express
that
concern.
B
There's
other
people
biting
at
the
bit
that
we
haven't
done
this
ten
years
ago,
and
when
we
are
up
here,
we
have
the
the
responsibility,
despite
pressures
of
doing
what
we
believe
is
best
for
the
community
and
I
strongly
believe
that
this
is
what's
best
for
not
only
for
the
bird
section
and
your
because
your
district,
but
for
the
for
PGI
as
a
whole
and
Punta
Gorda
as
a
whole.
So
I
think
we
just
need
to
go
forward
and
we
need
to
educate
our
constituents
as
to
the
nuances
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
B
E
F
C
There
are
a
lot
of
items
we
could
add
to
the
list.
There
are
some
we
can
delete.
These
are
items
that
we
talked
about
and
the
park
I
mean
that
that's
part
of
a
settlement
discussion,
the
land
purchase
for
Buckley's
past.
We
just
approved.
That's
again,
it's
a
loan,
it's
just
a
loan.
If
you
pay
back
by
assessment
proceeds,
we
approve
moving
forward
with
security
enhancements.
You
don't
want
to
take
it
out
of
the
special
use
fun.
We
take
it
out
of
general
fund
reserves,
city
master
plan.
C
We
think
that
should
come
out
of
the
special
use
fun.
It's
TPD
to
be
determined
because
we
don't
know.
Nor
do
we
want
to
give
any
of
the
firms
a
number
you
you
will
be
negotiating
that
amount
with
with
whoever
firm
you
decide
to
rank
number
one
Buckley's,
Pass
alone,
you
can
do
it
out
of
this
fund,
you
that's
an
inner
fund
or
we
can
go
out
and
get
a
bank
loan
if
we
want
well.
We
don't
even
know
what
the
number
yet
know.
H
C
F
B
A
problem
with
if
we
had
loaned
at
the
end
of
this
I
could
be
amenable
to
it,
but
this
is
not.
This
is
a
one-time
asset
that
we
were
acquiring
from
a
sale
and
I
would
be
remiss
to
think
that
it
would
be
a
prudent
to
put
it
into
our
general
fund
reserves
without
the
idea
of
getting
paid
back
for
other
good,
structural
or
durable
assets
for
the
city,
so
I,
obviously
I'm
one,
that's
concerned
about
our
reserve.
B
It
would
seem
to
me,
but
I
would
also
want
to
point
out
that
I
Reserve
is
increasing
every
year,
just
not
at
a
rate
that
I
would
like
to
see
it.
I
would
be
somewhat
a
meaningful
to
the
idea
that
this
that,
if
a
portion
of
these
funds
be
held
to
decide
that
we
would
not
spend
for
asset
and
that
that,
as
we
increased
our
reserves,
then
that
would
come
back
to
be
available
for
assets
through
this
loan
and
others.
If
we
had
this
as
a
loan
inside
for
an
emergency
for
the
emergency.
B
A
Me
this
is
a
priority
because
this
gets
us
to
where
we
need
to
be
and
to
know
that
we
do
not
have
a
policy.
The
reason
why
we're
at
where
we
are
now
is
because
we've
never
had
the
policy
of
how
to
replace
the
reserves
once
we've
spent
those,
and
when
we
were
talking
about
this
as
one
of
the
priorities
for
this
fund,
she
provided
in
the
material,
the
GFO,
a
Association
recommended
policy
for
return
of
use
of
reserves.
A
So
if
we
don't
put
the
money
in
there
I'm
for
putting
the
money
in
there,
we
definitely
need
to
have
a
policy
of
reserve
policy
that
we
don't
have
right
now.
So
if
we
would
have
had
that
in
the
past,
we
would
have
been
working
toward
replenishing
them
and
I.
Don't
during
my
time
here
to
the
16.7%
was
established
as
well.
We
never
really
had
that
either.
We
never
really
had
that
as
a
policy,
but
we've
had
it
now
for
for
how
long.
F
That's
the
best
practice.
Yes,
so
we
developed
a
full
policy
regarding
it
after
we
had
used
down
a
lot
of
our
reserves
during
the
last
economic
downturn
and
as
the
economy
was
turning
around
trying
to
achieve
that
16.7%,
we
did
make
it
a
formal
policy.
The
board
currently
had
only
just
wanted
to
do
the
0.5%
increase
each
year.
B
A
H
A
H
H
We
have
like
two
weeks
where,
on
average,
our
neighbors
may
have
maybe
two
months,
and
so
part
of
this
is
that,
when
we're
thinking
about
preparing
for
potential
issues,
hurricanes
x,
y&z,
actually
having
loosing
two
months
of
reserves
on
hand,
is
something
we're
going
to
want
to
have
just
to
have
on
hand
as
something
to
have
on
hand
and
so
to
some
degree.
I
I
do
understand
all
those
other
expenses,
but
the
other
side
of
it
is
the
other
side.
Is
that
we're
very
vulnerable?
H
Where
are
necessarily
vulnerable
as
a
city,
unlike
our
neighbors,
in
terms
of
not
really
having
enough
operating
funds
just
ready
available,
because
in
the
cases
they
have
a
hurricane
hits
us
we're.
Gonna
have
to
pay
those
monies
in
advance
and
hopefully
get
reimbursed,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
really
don't
think
of
in
our
thinking
and
that's
something
that
we're
just
been
blessed
that
we've
not
had
variables
hit
us.
But
variables
can
hit
this
anytime
and.
A
G
And
I
would
also
suggest
that
we
not
in
being
a
huge
hurry
to
spend
all
of
this
money,
because
we
don't
know
for
sure
what
FEMA
is
gonna
do
yet,
and
I
really
really
hesitate
to
be
like
a
burning,
a
hole
in
our
pocket
kind
of
thing
where
we
want
to
spend
all
this
money
right
away.
I
really
like
for
us
to
keep
some
money
set
aside
in
this
fund
until
we
know
exactly
what
FEMA's
gonna
do
so.
E
E
But
at
this
point
in
time,
I
think
the
only
thing
that
I
would
be
willing
to
say
we
are
obligated
to
spend
money
on
is
puns
because
we
are
legally
obligated.
I
would
like
to
see
the
Veterans
Park
on
the
list.
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
us
to
spend
any
money.
I've
had
a
request
from
the
pickle
Plex
board
to
ask
for
$300,000
to
build
a
second
16
courts,
because
it's
a
great
investment
for
the
community
I
said
I
would
bring
this
up.
E
It's
not
a
it's
not
in
the
city
limits,
but
it
is
something
that
you
know.
Of
course
they
feel
very
strongly
that
there's
a
great
return
on
investment
and
they
can
demonstrate
those
numbers,
but
I
still
I'm
I
think
we're
I,
don't
want
to
see
us
be
too
quick
to
spend
these
dollars
right.
I
really
don't
carry.
A
B
Philosophical
I
just
want
to
add
one
more
thing
to
to
Nance's
we're
committed
to
pass
a
park.
I
think
we're
morally
committed
to
the
boca
grande
drainage
project.
Also
I
think
that's
a
we
have
a
moral
obligation
to
properly
get
that
infrastructure
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
that
money
should
all
come
out
of
this.
That's
not
what
I'm
suggesting
at
all,
but
I
do
think
that
that
might
be.
This
could
be
inappropriate
because
that's
a
durable
asset
for
the
community
for
some
funding
to
come
out
of
this,
but
I
absolutely
do
not
feel
I.
B
Agree
to
that.
We
shouldn't
just
let
this
with
this
money
evaporate.
We
should
be
the
very
prudent
and
how
we
use
it
again.
From
my
perspective,
it
should
be
for
durable
assets.
And/Or
asset
preservation
for
the
city
I,
see
mr.
Skell
corn
out
here
so
I
would
like
to
say.
I
would
not
want
to
see
us
in
a
position
where
we
had
to
had
to
sell.
We
were
forced
to
sell
the
property
on
Henry
to
make
our
budget
balance
okay.
B
So
if
we
want
to
do
it
on
our
own
volition-
maybe
but
I'm
just
saying,
but
not
not
to
be
in
a
position
to
be
forced
to
have
to
do
that,
whereas
up
for
that
reason,
because
of
this,
so
we
should
be
very
prudent.
With
this,
like
I,
said,
I
see
some
other
projects
that
we
may
want
to
consider
like
I
said
with
City
Hall,
upgrading
and
security
items,
I
think
we
also
have
a
moral
obligation
for
how
we
fund
it
out
of
here
or
how
we
fund
it
out
of
the
budget.
A
H
G
E
Me
security
is
something
that
is
an
operational
expense.
It
is
a
daily
thing.
It
is
something
we
should
include
in
our
operation.
It's
not
to
me,
it's
not
something
that
is
in
this
one-time
special
kind
of
fund.
It's
just
something.
That's
a
necessity.
It's
you
know.
There
are
things
that
you
know
20
years
ago.
We
would
never
have
even
dreamed.
We
would
need
that
we
operate
with
on
a
daily
basis.
Today,
so
I
would
say:
security
needs
to
come
out
of.
E
C
E
C
C
G
Personally,
what
I
see
coming
out
of
this
special
fund
right
now?
The
only
things
that
should
come
out
of
this
special
fund
right
now
are
the
ponce
park.
Construction
and
the
master
plan
I
would
beyond
then
I
think
we
should
hold
off
and
keep
that
money
set
aside
just
in
case
I.
Just
this,
this
whole
FEMA
thing
hanging
over.
Our
heads
has
me
very
concerned.
I'm.
A
We
bring
the
Veterans
Park
back
in
its
own
separate
discussion
since
it's
not
even
on
this
list
to
know
what
the
what
the
projects
are
on,
what
your
costs
associated
with
those
are
because
I
know,
there's
numbers
out
there.
It
was
a
big
number
out
there,
but
what
the
city
could
actually
do
to
help
soften.
C
A
C
C
C
C
C
I
Declared
March
the
30th
has
been
declared
the
returned
from
Vietnam
day
because
that's
when
the
prisoners
flew
back
in
1973
the
majority
of
them,
we
have
never
really
done
anything
here
locally
on
that
day.
So
this
year,
we're
planning
well
ahead
and
putting
the
other
huge
program
and
also
Veterans
Day
at
the
gazebo
and
the
Veterans
Park
will
be
much
larger
than
it
has
been
in
the
past.
I
C
A
G
C
G
A
B
Okay,
I
guess
I'm
the
one
that
brought
this
forward
and
as
John
outlined,
they
have
a
high
and
a
low
season
and
they're
paying
their
taxes
on
the
high
season.
That's
the
way
the
ordinance
is
it's
constructed.
It
is
placing
a
burden
on
them
that
I
thought
we
should
discuss
to
see
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
properly
devise
some
relief
for
them
in
that
regard
it's
well
attended.
B
Perhaps
we
could
view
them
a
little
bit
differently
as
far
as
whether
we
discuss
them
as
a
flea
market
or
as
a
farmers
market
I
think
that
depends
on
which
is
more
expedient
for
us
to
be
able
to
handle
this
in
the
future,
because
we
don't
want
to
alleviate,
give
relief
to
people
that
don't
need
it.
But
I
do
think
that
this
there
might
be
some
accommodation
that
we
should
be
able
to
hopefully
work
out
here
today.
If
we're
all
so
inclined.
G
I
think
it's
not
really
a
flea
market
that
we're
talking
about
here.
I.
Think
the
farmers
market
is
a
completely
separate
entity
that
is
very
valuable
to
the
city
overall
and
brings
a
lot
of
traffic
you're
right,
Gary
I
think
it
should
be
handled
differently
and
perhaps
not
subject
to
this
particular
section
of
the
code.
G
It
would
make
more
sense
to
me
if
we
could
just
take
an
average
of
humming
and
and
the
chamber
can
provide
the
numbers
for
us
of
how
many
vendors
participate
every
week,
but
go
and
take
an
average
and
then
assess
them
annually,
based
on
a
quarterly
average
of
what
what
the
maximum
number
was.
Each
quarter
I
think
that
might
make
it
easier
and.
B
I
think
we
should
give
a
break
again
to
the
entertainment
history,
the
street
artists,
etc.
Perhaps
the
nonprofit's
I'm
kind
of
negotiable
on
there,
because
they
do
have
a
purpose
of
why
they're
there
they.
You
know
whether
it's
for
fundraising
or
whatever
it
is,
but
even
then
I
think
that
they
all
may
be
there.
A
J
Has
come
first,
I
want
to
clarify
that
the
code
specifically
states
that
the
definition
of
flea
markets
does
apply
to
farmers
markets.
It
was
not,
including
included
in
the
in
Section
12-18,
but
it
is
in
another
section
of
the
code
where
it
specifically
states.
Farmers,
markets
and
flea
markets
are
basically
handled
the
same
way.
So
this
is
not
I
realize
that
may
be
confusing,
but
it's
in
the
code.
J
J
As
far
as
the
nonprofit's
I'm,
looking
at
one
of
our
lists,
I
don't
believe
we
include
the
nonprofit's,
the
artists
and
the
musicians
Perry
Turner
in
our
offices,
the
person
who
goes
out
and
actually
physically
counts,
visibly
sees,
and
she
has
spoken
to
those
individuals
and
they
do
sell
their
CDs.
They
do
sell
their
artwork.
J
So
in
the
past
we
relied
on
the
operators
of
the
market
to
provide
us
with
numbers,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
conflicting.
A
lot
of
conflicting
information.
Newspaper
articles
would
say
written
or
in
an
interview
with
the
operators
of
the
market
that
they
were
proud
to
announce.
There
were
48
vendors,
but
we
were
told
there
were
21
for
just
it's
an
example.
J
J
There
was
a
decision
made
to
do
a
quarterly
inspection
with
an
averaged
amount,
supposedly
agreed
to
between
one
councilmember
and
the
operators
of
the
market,
mr.
Purcell
or
in
particular.
However,
that's
not
the
way
the
code
reads,
and
so
that's
not
the
appropriate
way
to
do
it
and
be
in
compliance
with
the
code.
Staff
does
not
have
the
authority
to
supersede
the
provisions
of
the
code.
So
we
try
to
be
true
to
the
code.
We
don't
go
out
every
week
and
inspect
we
don't
have
staff
to
do
that.
J
A
J
J
There
were
three
meetings
of
the
Commission
and
then
there
was
a
council
discussion
where
there
was
some
concern
that
the
Commission
wasn't
strictly
following
the
guidelines
of
what
they
were
set
out
to
do
and
in
addition,
at
the
just,
there
was
also
some
new
legislation
proposed.
At
the
same
time,.
J
City
Council
agreed
to
put
the
Commission
and
abeyance
until
the
legislation
was
adopted.
The
Commission
met
one
more
time
more
or
less
to
close
down
what
they
were
doing,
but
there
was
a
motion
made
by
mr.
Purcell
er
at
that
meeting
to
reduce
the
fee
for
the
farmers
market.
There
was
a
subsequent
council
discussion
and
council.
There
were
two
council
members
who
disagreed
with
reducing
the
fee.
There
was
no
formal
decision
made
and
there
was
no
further
discussion.
J
The
only
action
taken
after
that
was
to
adopt
the
new
legislation
and
bring
our
code
into
compliance
with
the
new
laws,
and
that
was
in
2011.
So
my
understanding
is
that
you
we
have
to.
We
also
explain
we,
the
1995
Commission
established
for
simplicity,
sake,
I,
assume,
and
to
be
consistent
with
the
the
true
intent
of
the
legislation.
Two
classifications.
We
only
have
two
classifications
in
our
code
for
for
business
tax
receipts.
J
It's
a
hairdresser
who
anyone
who
has
have
a
license
from
the
state
of
Florida
licensed
in
order
to
do
their
profession
and
a
non
licensed
professional
that
includes
all
retail
and
similar
businesses,
restaurants
and
that
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so
when
the
code
says
that
the
market
will
be
charged
one
fee
per
vendor.
The
only
fee
there
is
in
our
code
is
the
sixty
three
dollars
per
tax
receipt
and
that's
why
they're
charged
the
way
they
are.
K
Albeit
eroding
one
of
the
few
things
that
we
cannot
do
is
establish
the
tax,
that's
the
Legislature's
exclusive
domain,
and
so
our
local
business
tax
receipt
has
to
be
consistent
with
the
state
statute,
and
that's
why
you
know
every
so
often
we
go
through
this
process,
that's
mandated
by
the
by
the
state
to
determine
what
our
categories
will
be
and
what
the
fees
assessed
by
category
would
be.
We
can't
change
that
by
by
changing
the
ordinance.
K
K
A
H
H
Middle
place,
maybe
if
we
can
have
it
so
they
can't
exclude
the
nonprofits
and
artists
and
keep
the
fee
settle
the
same,
because
ultimately,
I
think
the
logic
behind
it
being
charged
at
the
highest
rate
is
that
we
do
need
to
benefit
from
our
season
as
well.
So
I
think
that
I
mean
I.
Think
the
example,
the
farmers,
the
market
at
the
history
park.
H
J
J
E
B
L
Know
that
between
the
City
Clerk's
office
and
Jerry
Purcell
are,
there
has
been
not
the
best
communication,
so
may
I
make
this
suggestion.
I
handle
as
the
treasurer
of
the
Association
Jerry
brings
me
the
money
from
the
market,
every
single,
Monday
or
Tuesday,
so
I
know
exactly
how
many
vendors
have
paid
to
be
there.
The
preview
for
that
for
the
month,
that's
upcoming
yep.
They
all
pay
a
month
in
advance.
L
So
I
could
gladly
share
that
information
with
the
City
Clerk's
office,
so
they
have
a
confirmed
number
of
who's
actually
paying
because
Nancy's
absolutely
right,
I
mean
the
guy
playing
the
bongo
drums,
he's
not
there
to
sell
he's
there
for
ambience.
But
if
somebody,
if
you
went
up
and
said
I
like
your
music,
do
you
happen
to
have
a
CD?
L
There
were
two
events,
and
this
is
nobody's
fault,
but
two
events
this
year
that
the
downtown
merchants
put
on
in
order
to
basically
pay
this
we've
willingly
over
the
last
ten
years
paid
all
of
this
money
exceeding
four
thousand
dollars
each
month
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
other
businesses
in
town.
L
Know
how
many
other
businesses
pay
four
thousand
dollars,
but
it's
significant,
so
we
paid
it,
but
it
was
paid
for
by
by
two
events
that
have
both
been
washed
out
this
year.
So
it's
critical.
We
could
end
up
with
no
market
and
that's
just
that's
as
serious
as
it
is.
So
if
that
can
help
with
the
City
Clerk's
office,
to
give
them
an
accounting
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
do.
That.
A
L
L
K
G
K
E
K
E
L
A
L
L
K
But
let's
define
ourselves
here:
if
it's
a
non-profit,
that's
not
acting
as
a
vendor!
That's
one
thing:
when
the
history
park
was
acting
as
a
vendor,
the
same
way
as
the
in
the
way
that
the
farmers
market
was,
they
sought
to
be
excluded
from
the
fee
because
they're
a
non-profit
and
we
advised
that
can't
be
done
well
as
far
as
the
fee
that
we're
talking
about
today,
that
4,000,
are
you
asking
that
the
late
fee
be
waived
while
the
City
Council
is
considering
an
amendment.