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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 1 21 15 Part 2
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C
A
comment
on
the
on
the
expenses
I
took
a
look
at
the
projection
of
five-year
projection
for
the
period
2014
to
20,
18
verses,
20
15
to
20,
19
and
I
noted
that
the
personnel
expenditures
that
were
projected
back
last
year
were
they
were
12
million
six
hundred
and
thirty
six
thousand.
They
have
increased
at
13
million,
four
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
and
with
regard
to
the
operating
expenses.
C
A
No,
it
was,
it
was
only
one
year
so
2015.
The
three
percent
was
going
into
the
base
pay
20
16
through
19.
It
was
going
to
be
looked
at
as
a
bonus,
but
based
on
recent
reviews
by
the
HR
department,
with
the
city
manager,
I
felt
that
was
not
a
prudent
way
to
keep
us
in
the
market,
condition
that
we
want
to
be
in
and.
D
The
other
thing
is
that
their
pension
costs
for
2016
we
project
going
down
twenty
percent
too,
because
of
the
experience
of
previous
years
now.
Will
that
continue?
Probably
not
but
at
least
it's
that
significantly
changes
the
personnel
side
and
the
operating
side?
It's
it's
the
nature
of
some
of
our
contracts
that
have
come
in
some
collective
going
up,
and
it's
just
it's
a
projection.
D
B
D
C
F
F
E
B
G
Just
concerned
I
mean
I.
I
agree.
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying
Nancy
but
I
think
just
leaving
it
the
way.
It
is
right
now
to
have
more
of
a
deficit
to
make
up,
and
my
concern
is
the
things
that
we're
looking
at,
like,
for
instance,
I'll
just
use.
One
example
was
the
IT
department,
where
things
have
just
really
got
in
a
bad
way.
G
I
mean
we
have
to
keep
the
city
running
efficiently
and
I
don't
want
when
we're
looking
at
our
departments
to
really
be
saving
more
money,
more
money,
more
money-
and
we
talked
about
you-
know
flagging
in
the
four
years
we
haven't
had
any.
You
know,
they've
been
doing
this
now
since
2014,
so
I
don't
want
to
put
the
onus
on
them
to
start
so
that
other
departments
end
up
like
I.t
has
and
were
you
know,
just
really
behind?
Okay,
yes,
I.
F
That
and
I
hope
those
days
are
over
and
you
know
we've
tried
to
balance
keeping
our
services
to
our
entire
citizenry
intact
and
not
I,
know
where
you're
coming
from,
and
there
are
a
few
people
that
feel
the
way
that
you
do,
but
I
think
we
have
to
keep
all
the
citizens
of
the
city
and
the
business
owners
in
the
forefront
of
our
mind
and
be
prudent
financially,
but
we've
worked
very
hard
and
we've
had
to
make
very
tough
choices.
So
it's
a
little
offensive.
F
E
It's
not
meant
to
say
that
we
haven't
at
all,
so
I
apologize
if
your
take
offense
to
that.
It's
really
more
that
if
we
have
to
keep
that
the
the
millage
rate
the
same
that
we
justify
why
we're
keeping
it
this
thing,
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
philosophical
discussion
on
the
way
to
budget
and
from
my
experience
in
the
corporate
world,
it's
more
what
I
feel
would
help
us
be
more
transparent
to
our
taxpayers
on
why
we
need
what
we
need.
E
B
I
think
we
all
each
of
us
appreciates
that
perspective.
I
think
we
have
been
working
very
hard
to
again
keep
tightening
the
belt
and
tightening
the
belt
and
I
know
that
in
the
rest
of
this
presentation,
we're
going
to
be
seeing
some
additional
areas
where
we
can
again
can
pull
back
and
we'll
have
more
opportunities
to
address
that.
But
thank
you,
nancy.
Your.
A
A
I
have
an
audience
you
guys
all
like
numbers.
I
know
you
do.
Thank
you
see
the
utilities
find
in
in
the
budget
we
had
projected
revenues
of
15.3
million
in
the
long-range
plan
were
a
little
bit
more
optimistic
with
the
15
million
461,
the
second
line
and
again
councilman
prof
key.
This
might
be
something
that
you
find
appropriate
for
us
to
do
in
the
general
fund
to
do
we
actually
added
a
second
line.
A
Instead
of
just
putting
the
rate
increase
up
in
revenues,
we
identified
it
as
a
separate
line
so
that
people,
the
transparency
of
government,
is
so
important
so
that
we
can
begin
the
discussion
of
if
we
are
to
go
forward.
I
shouldn't
even
say.
If,
as
we
go
forward
with
the
reverse
osmosis
project,
it
is
time
to
put
in
play
the
financing
and
put
in
place
the
appropriate
rate
increase
that
can
cover
that
financing,
and
this
is
what
we're
showing
you
here.
So
this
would
be
a
12-percent
spread
over
three
years.
A
So
this
reflects
four
percent
increase:
effective
October
one
2016
is
that
cast
in
concrete,
no
but
I'm
trying
to
promote
the
idea
that
you
want
that
in
place
before
you
do
your
financing
so
that
you
you
can
signify
to
those
agencies
that
are
to
the
banking
institutions.
That
would
be
interested
in
us
that
that
we
are
fiscally
prudent
and
that
we
know
that
we
can
afford
to
do
what
we're
embarking
on
doing.
I
morrow
grant
I
put
the
0
up
here
for
a
reason.
A
At
this
point
in
time
we
are
assuming
that
we
are
going
it
alone
to
do
the
RO
project.
We
hope
that's
not
the
case
and
again
I
think
that's
why
the
City
Council
has
been
so
careful
to
protect,
protect
the
current
operating
reserve
that
we
have,
because
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
this
project,
regardless
of
whatever
political
issues
are
out
there
that
are
touching
punta
gorda
right
now,
so
we're
showing
the
first
small
bit
of
financing
in
in
there
that
really.
Quite
honestly,
we
will
probably
move
that
2.1
forward
into
this
year.
A
Your
finance
director
sees
no
reason
to
to
do
financing
this
year.
Do
a
tiny
2.1
next
year
and
then
do
the
big
financing
the
following
year.
So
this
is
here
just
as
a
placeholder.
We
will
either
move
it
forward
or
find
a
way
to
push
that
out.
But
it's
important
to
know
that
we
don't
have
quite
the
funds.
We
need
right
now
to
do
the
full
ro
design,
so
that
takes
us
down
to
total
revenues.
Total
expenditures
and
the
all
the
assumptions
for
expenditures
are
the
same
as
the
all
fund.
A
Okay,
the
one,
a
slight
change,
and
with
this
one
you
do
see
a
surplus
at
the
end
of
16,
so
the
first
question
might
be
well,
then
maybe
we
shouldn't
do
quite
as
big
of
a
rate
increase
so
that
we
could
come
down
0
and
that's
a
possibility.
But,
as
you
know,
because
of
the
compounding
effect,
you
actually
can
minimize
the
rate
increase
by
doing
it
in
a
timely
manner
at
the
right
time,
as
opposed
to
waiting
until
you
fall
into
the
deficit
and
do
a
catch
up,
it
ends
up
being
a
bigger
number.
A
F
The
user
to
come
sure
sure
I,
particularly
like
the
smoothing
effect,
because
I
mean
that
surplus
that
you
showed
one
little
change
in
the
construction
costs
and
that's
gone.
I
mean
we're
solely
basing
all
this
on
planning
numbers.
So
I
would
hope
that
we
would
you
know
at
least,
do
you
know
the
most
prudent
rate
increase.
We
could
to
keep
it
flat
and
keep
everybody.
You
know
on
the
same
page
and
then
at
the
very
last.
F
B
B
B
A
A
We
shall
move
on
so
here's
where
the
reserves
stand
as
projected
right
now,
based
on
our
unaudited
numbers
for
2014,
the
beginning
reserves
of
3
million
95,000
use,
adding
into
that
the
192
that
would
be
excess.
Should
we
put
the
four
percent
increase
in
place
and
you'll
recall,
we
were
discussing
holding
expenditures
flat,
I,
don't
think
we'll.
Let
the
Utilities
Director
weigh
in
on
that
right
now
he
would
cringe,
but
we
would
like
to
do
whatever
we
can,
but
if
we
did
the
full
flat,
it
would
add
another
94,000
back
to
the
reserves.
A
So
I'm
just
trying
to
formalize
that
for
you,
that
was
a
discussion
council
had
and
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
put
a
policy
in
place
today
that
will
carry
us
through
the
financing
and
that's
what
it
would
look
like,
and
then
we
would
have
an
estimated
reserves
available
at
this
point.
As
councilmember
Kiessling
pointed
out
that
the
280
1700
would
give
you
what
I
call
wiggle
room,
I'm
sure
there's
a
better
chunk
of
coal
phrase
for
them.
Carolyn.
A
F
E
E
A
B
C
A
C
F
B
A
You,
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
just
remind
us
of,
is
that
we
do
have.
This
is
different.
We
have
a
1.5
million
dollar
capital
reserve
and
replacement
fund.
This
was
put
in
place
years
ago
when
we
had
a
bond
debt
and
when
that
bond,
when
those
bonds
were
fully
paid
off,
this
last
January
staff
recommended
to
you
that
we
maintain
that
1.5
million.
This
is
for
capital.
This
is
not
for
operation,
so
it
is
a
different
pot
of
money
for
a
different
purpose,
and
that
is
in
place.
A
A
The
rest
of
the
funds
we
can
go
through
briefly
in
the
CRA
fund.
The
one
thing
I
would
like
to
touch
on
with
you
is
that
we
do
have
an
obligation
in
that
fund
to
maintain
the
infrastructure
that
it
has
built,
and
that
is
a
policy.
That's
an
understood
policy.
It
is
not
a
written
policy,
so
we
had
told
you
during
the
summer
that
we
would
work
on
that
during
the
2016
budget
process
to
come
up
with
appropriate
wording
for
you,
I
don't
have
it
yet
we
will.
A
F
A
On
the
final
day,
when
this
fund
is
the
final
debt
service
payment,
we
will
we
will
close
this
fund.
You
know
dissolve
all
the
debt
and
miss
fondle
and
yes,
and
at
that
point
in
time,
you'll
have
a
lot
of
infrastructure
that
you
will
now
be
looking
to
your
general
fund
to
maintain,
and
so
it
will
be
prudent
for
us
to
determine
over
the
next
10
years
how
to
accomplish
that.
A
A
C
C
A
H
The
record
Dave
drew
one
of
the
issues
we
ran
into
and
what
you're,
assuming
is
that
Sierra
will
not
drop
in
value
again,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
take
the
funds
and
use
them
to
pay
down
debt,
excess
funds,
and
if
the
property
values
dropped
again,
then
we'd
be
short
and
we'd
have
problems
making
the
debt
service
it
would
have
to
come
out
of
general
fund.
So
what
our
intention
was
is
over
time.
H
And
it's
not
a
lot
yet
and
if
it
grows
substantially,
then
we
would
come
back
to
you
and
say:
can
we
use
this
to
pay
debt,
but
I
would
be
very
concerned
because
it
got
nailed
the
last
time
when
the
CRA
dropped
in
value,
forty
percent
and
that's
why
we
had
to
go
back
to
the
county
and
extend
it
so
I
would
rather
not
when
we
are
really
comfortable
that
we
were
in
good
shape,
then?
Yes,
we
would
use
that
to
pay
down
dinner
like
that
answer,
but
we
keep
it.
H
A
Was
it
for
CRA
sanitation,
I,
don't
believe,
there's
any
discussion
other
than
to
point
out
to
you
that
we
do.
We
are
budgeting
to
replace
for
packers
next
year.
There
will
be
an
analysis
to
make
sure
that
that's
still
the
appropriate
move
and
it
again
will
be
on
hold
until
we
resolve
the
issue
of
fueling
for
those
vehicles,
building
fun
of
courses
in
good
shape,
lashley
park,
municipal
marina,
the
first
time
we
are
able
to
say
to
you.
It
is
in
good
shape.
The
revenues
are
doing
well.
We
expect
that
to
continue
PGI
and
BSI.
B
C
I
think
that
they've
been
asked
to
look
at
alternative
methods
to
to
replace
the
rules
or
reinforce
the
walls
and
I
hope
that
that's
an
ongoing
process,
because
it
needs
to
be,
in
my
opinion
and,
alternatively,
we're
replacing
walls
that
we
may
not
need
to
replace
right
now,
I
mean
probably,
we
are
replacing
walls
that
that
are
in
some
disrepair,
but
there
may
be
walls
out
there
that
we're
replacing
that
there
is
no
damage
to
which
just
I'm,
not
sure.
Would
you
comment
on
that?
C
B
A
G
They're
struggling
with
it,
I
mean
we,
we
may
need
to
get
someone
who's,
a
professional
and
replacing
sea
walls
to
really
guide
us.
On
this
I
mean
this
could
be
a
serious
issue
in
our
community.
I
mean
I,
really
think
that
we
need
an
answer
and,
if
they're
struggling
with
it,
maybe
we
need
someone
I,
don't
know
if
they're.
D
F
F
We
could
probably
use
whatever
increase
we
have
from
the
previous
contract
and
move
that
forward
to
come
up
with
a
couple
scenarios
and
have
the
canal
boards.
Yes,
look
that
over
at
least
give
us
some
kind
of
recommendation
to
say.
Possibly.
This
is
what
a
possibility
could
be,
because
this
has
remained
flat
for
four
years.
Yeah
I
believe
this
is
the
fourth
year
fourth
year,
so
we've
really
been
I'll.
F
G
Can
I
just
think
that
that,
from
what
I
heard
and
observed
it
seemed
like
they
were
struggling
because
of
the
financial?
They
really
don't
want
to
have
a
rate
increase,
but
my
fear
is
that
we
will
wait
too
long
and
then
the
increase
will
be
too
great.
Instead
of
smoothing
like
we
like
to
smooth
yeah
I
think
it's
time
to
think
about
that
and
I
think
that's
where
the
difficulty
is
lying
in
the
financial
aspect
of
it.
A
I
just
wanted
to
point
this
out.
We,
this
is
a
2013
rating
analysis,
so
we
have
something
in
place,
that's
better
than
what
we
had
previously.
It
does
need
to
be
updated,
but
we
did
have
an
area.
The
need
replacement
were
the
ones
that
were
identified
as
critical
need,
repair
and
then
good
condition
and
I
think
what
Public
Works
has
pointed
out,
at
least
a
finance
is
that
we
haven't.
A
F
If
we
have
something
like
that,
then
we
can
repair
that
and
still
continue
on
our
program,
because
when
we
had
to
spend
that
money,
the
program
stopped
yes
and,
as
some
of
that
was
probably
need
replacement,
but
not
all
of
it,
because
the
the
old
walls
took
down
some
of
the
neighboring
walls
that
were
in
good
condition,
so
I
think
I
think
that's
a
good
idea
to
have
the
canal
boards
at
least
come.
You
know,
you're,
so
good
with
scenarios
not
16.
F
A
B
A
Last
thing
you
might
want
to
do
before
we
go
into
the
discussion
of
section
3
is
this
is
an
easy
one.
Your
general
fund
I
believe
council
all
had
assumed
that
we
had
made
this
official
and
we
apologize.
We
had
not
last
year
when
we
did
the
financial
policy,
we
adopted
the
six
with
the
comment
that
we
would
want
to
increase
it
a
half
a
percent
each
year.
This
is
the
policy
that
will
adopt
the
six
and
a
half
for
this
upcoming
year.
I
H
I
A
B
G
F
A
D
We
may
be
trying
to
free
up
employees
to
do
other
things
that
week.
If
we
don't
do
something
that
we're
doing
now,
I
know
we
talked
about
that
a
while
ago.
Are
there
things
we're
doing
now,
then?
Maybe
we
don't
do
anymore
so
the
way
I
want
to
lead.
This
will
be
here
for
a
week.
If
we
go
over
each
particular
bullet,
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
There
are
items,
though,
that
we
would
like
City
Council
to
weigh
in
on
all
the
other
items
that
are
internal.
D
D
A
A
A
We
took
a
quick
look
back
to
2009
and
we've
reduced
this
line
item
over
forty
percent.
That's
not
to
say
that
those
things
should
have
been
reduced,
but
we
did,
and
it
was
the
economic
situation
that
we
that
required
it.
The
city
manager
wants
to
look
at
it
again,
whether
we
can
reduce
any
more
or
whether
they're
everyone's
going
to
say
we're
not
keeping
up
with
cpes.
Now
I
will
tell
you
and,
as
you
found
this
also
we've
gone
to
a
lot
of
webinars
and
it's
wonderful.
B
That
may
be
just
as
a
comment
with
regard
to
the
webinar
webinars
I
know
that
all
of
us
are
going
to
have
to
be
involved
in
our
ethics
training
or
this
year
and
I
I
would
hope
that
we
would
do
a
webinar
individually
rather
than
going
to
a
another
conference.
They
are
extremely
expensive
with
the
housing
costs
and
what
have
you
there
might
be
some
other
areas
where
we
as
a
council
can
cut
back.
Of
course,
I
was
also
thinking
that,
since
all
employees
get
three
percent
races
do
we
also
are.
F
E
Just
have
a
comment
that
I'd
like
to
see
us.
You
do
a
great
job
of
working
through.
What
can
we
change
whether
it
has
to
do
with
you
know,
training
and
retooling,
replacing
things
upgrading
technology
we're
doing
a
lot
of
the
right
things
I'd
like
to
see
us
continue
to
examine
what
are
those
ways
that
we
think
perhaps
it's
more
efficient
or
effective
for
the
city
to
get
look
at
outsourcing.
Just
to
you
know,
continuously
it's
continuous
improvement
process,
I
think.
A
That's
definitely
what
we've
taken
that
from
Council
and
the
city
manager
is
constantly
asking
each
department
to
say
what
can
you
do
differently?
Why
and
what
things
can
you
stop
doing
that
you?
Nobody
would
the
public
would
not
notice
it's
that's
always
our
focus.
Is
it
maybe
it'll
be
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
trip
internally,
but
if
the
public
wouldn't
notice
and
it
will
save
tax
dollars,
let's
do
it
and
some
of
these
we
weren't
going
to
hit
all
of
these.
D
These
two
sections,
the
administration,
the
three
bullets-
are
where
we
need
to
have
counsel
weigh
in
on
under
urban
design.
That's
internal.
We
will
be
looking
at
that
internally.
We
don't
need
counsel
wayi.
So
first
we
have
now
stopped
copying
agenda
packets,
copying
unless
you
have
a
specific
item,
you,
okay
with
that,
continuing
that,
because
that
does
save
on
printing.
Yes,.
D
Last
budget
time
we
discussed
eliminating
the
city
newsletter,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
cost
saver
per
se.
It's
a
good
information.
You
know
we
write
the
articles,
we
put
it
on
the
website.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
best-seller
or
not.
Hopefully
you
in
your
weekly
reports.
When
you
send
it
out
you
let
people
know.
What's
there,
do
you
want
us
to
continue
doing
it
out
twice
a
year?
It's
something!
That's
it!
We
feel
it's
good
information,
but
it's
up
to
you.
Nancy
I,.
E
Think
we
need
to
look
at
new
ways
to
disseminate
the
information
that
we
have
and
a
newsletter
like
that.
Perhaps
you
know
Brad
can
help
us
use
the
new
website
to
help
do
things
creatively.
We
have
a
lot
of
brochures
that
we
publish
and
there's
a
better
way,
probably
to
be
able
to
disseminate
that
information
in
the
new
website.
So
it
would
help
us
spend
less
time
doing
something
the
old
way
and
it
could
be
much
more
innovative
and
creative
and
more
energizing
for
staff.
D
B
Even
those
people
who
don't
have
computers
never
see
it
right
so
I.
I
think
I
would
agree.
I
think
all
of
the
information
that
you
have
in
the
newsletter
gets
out
in
some
other
form,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
we
need
to
have
staff
time
focus
specifically
on
a
newsletter.
They're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
time
that
they're
going
to
be
spending
in
terms
of
updating
the
information
for
the
website
and
doing
all
those
kinds
of
things.
E
F
B
E
A
One
thing:
maybe
we
should
know
the
one
suggestion
we
did
have
for
you
on
on
that
one
was
at
some
point.
Maybe
you
might
want
to
think
about
video
in
it
and
just
having
it
on
the
web,
and
that
way
people
can
look
at
it
at
their
leisure
and
instead
of
at
an
appointed
time,
I
know
you
lose
the
dynamics
of
the
group,
but.
C
B
A
B
F
F
I
New
residents
guide
is
given
to
those
folks
who
open
a
utility
account
they're
sent
a
letter
by
billing
and
collections.
I
know
that
billing
questions
is
requesting
to
eliminate
that
letter.
Our
suggestion
is
to
put
the
new
to
keep
the
new
residence
guide,
but
not
in
its
current
form,
to
revamp
it
to
put
it
online
and
only
put
in
there
what
is
not
available
elsewhere,
maybe
putting
some
links
where
it
would
be
easy
access
to
here
and
there
in
that
publication,
but
completely
redoing.
It
no
longer
doing
a
paper,
its
voluminous.
It
takes
staff
time.
I
B
C
D
I
We
would
have
to
research
that
a
little
more
but
it
needs
to
it,
doesn't
just
require
a
charter
amendment.
It
must
go
to
the
voters
so
the
way
I
see
it
working
and
perhaps
David
could
comment
if
I'm
not
correct,
but
council
would
make
the
decision
whether
or
not
they
wanted
to
do
that
they
would
do
an
ordinance
and
then
that
would
need
to
go
on
a
ballot
at
some
point
in
the
future
and
once
the
voters
approve
it,
then
we
can
make
a
charter
amendment.
You
can
either
do
eliminating
the
odd-numbered
years.
I
Elections
would
mean
everybody
would
either
be
elected
all
together
every
two
years
or
the
councilmember
terms
could
extend
to
four
years
and
you
could
be
elected
still
alternating
the
years,
but
it
would
be.
You
know
in
2016.
It
would
be
three
of
you
2018.
It
would
be
two
of
you,
so
you
would
be
serving
council
members
would
be
serving
four-year
terms,
and
then
you
could
still
are
two
alternate
3232.
B
F
Mean
just
the
thought
that
we
could
have
an
election
every
single
year
is
scary,
just
even
from
the
financial
aspect
of
it.
Luckily,
we
haven't
been
through
that,
but
there
are
cities
that
do,
and
you
know
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
time
I
mean
you,
you
know,
and
the
canvassing
board
people
know
it's
a
lot
of
money
in
time.
I
mean
I,
think
three-year
terms.
At
least
we
would
have
one
year
in
the
buffer
zone
where
we
wouldn't
have
an
election.
I
don't
I
don't
know.
F
F
E
D
F
E
What
my
training
with
the
Florida
League
of
Cities,
they
encourage
cities
who
have
fewer
than
the
four
years
to
consider
for
years,
because
they
they're
feeling
is
that
it
takes
a
while
for
it,
a
council
member
to
become
effective,
and
they
really
feel
that
it's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
the
municipality
have
that
and
it,
as
you
said,
it
would
eliminate.
It
could
save
us
money
on.
F
Election
expense,
but
on
the
flip
side,
if
somebody
got
elected
that
wasn't
turned
out
not
to
be
desirable,
it
would
take
a
long
time
for
them
to
be
unseated
as
well.
So
there's
always
that
absolute,
that
side
of
it,
which
I
think
three
years
would
be
better
than
what
we
have
now
considering
that
we
could
have
an
election
every
single
year,
Tom.
C
C
You
know
they
to
get
them
to
commit
more
than
two
years
as
I
think
a
rough
sell
two
years.
Well,
it's
and
I
agree
with
what
the
most
of
you
that
is
really
not
enough
time
to
get
to
wrap
your
arms
around
everything
that
you
need
to
what,
in
order
to
get
somebody
to
commit
from
more
than
a
two
years,
I
think
it
may
be
a
detriment
to
getting
the
type
of
people
that
we
want
to
represent
the
city
on
council
I.
B
D
F
E
E
Have
gone
online
to
use
the
budget
look
in
the
past
and
it
was
tedious
to
have
to
wade
through
hundreds
of
pages
to
try
to
find
what
I
was
looking
for.
But
this
year's
budget
is
actually
indexed
yes
and
it's
really
easy
to
find
what
you
need
so
kudos
and
so
I
think.
For
that
reason,
I
could
agree
Tom
at.
D
H
D
D
Because
because
this
was
a
learning
curve
for
me
as
well
for
years
years,
we
get
a
complaint
regarding
swales
waters
in
my
drain.
It's
not
draining,
we
go
out
there,
we
review
it
and
we
go
in
there
and
we
will
redo
that
whole
swell,
and
it's
probably
a
number
of
properties
that
we
have
to
redo
and
what
we
have
come
to
find
watch
explain.
You
can
do
a
better
job
than
I
can
and.
J
Not
sure
about
that
good
morning,
mark
garing,
Public
Works.
What
we're
looking
at
is
getting
a
new
thought
process
for
what
we
do
with
swales.
The
folks
of
punta
gorda
are
many
of
them
come
from
up
north,
where
they
have
no
swales,
and
they
don't
understand
the
purpose
of
the
swale
to
collect
the
water
and
keep
their
home
from
flooding.
We
don't
have
any
home
flooding.
We
very
seldom
have
any
water
up
on
a
roadway.
J
What
we
have
is
swales
that
are
designed
to
be
a
little
bit
of
slope
from
one
end
of
the
block
to
the
other
end
of
block
a
couple
inches,
and
if
that
becomes
unperfect
imperfect
in
any
way
we
get
a
pond
of
water
somewhere
that
sits
for
a
couple
of
days.
The
fix
for
that
is
very
expensive.
It
costs
us
about
twelve
hundred
dollars
a
lot
a
lot
of
times.
The
problem
will
be
up
here,
but
it's
six
or
eight
Lots
down
the
street
is
where
the
fix
is.
J
We
have
to
take
up
all
that
side.
Twelve
hundred
dollars
a
lot
to
get
rid
of
a
stream
of
water
that
maybe
three
or
four
feet
wide
in
somebody's
swale,
driveway
a
very
expensive
fix.
The
problem
is
exacerbated
by
the
floor
tom
side.
When
a
home
is
constructed,
engineers
go
out,
we
set
the
elevations
of
where
the
Swale
needs
to
be.
It
doesn't
stay
there.
The
floor
attempt
side
will
grow
up
to
6
8
12
inches
thick
over,
where
we
planted
that
side.
The
the
proper
maintenance
method
for
that
is
to
thatch
that
side.
J
It's
expensive
and
it's
ugly
when
it's
done,
because
it
pulls
all
that
root
matter
up
to
the
surface,
and
your
lawn
is
brown
for
quite
a
while
that
isn't
being
done.
So
what
we
do.
After
a
couple
of
years
of
not
thatching,
you
no
longer
have
the
option
of
thatching.
You
have
to
go
in
and
take
the
whole
side
up.
J
We
have
a
gentleman
who
just
retired
that
said,
there's
one
home
in
in
the
aisles
down
by
the
golf
course
that
he
believes
he
has
taken
their
side
up
five
times
during
his
career
here
with
Cydia
Punta
Gorda
last
week.
I
don't
know
in
the
last
time
we
had
any
significant
rain
was,
but
last
week
we
had
five
drainage
complaints.
For
the
week
five
people
who
said
their
yards
were
flooding
a
lot
of
times.
J
It's
related
to
irrigation
somebody's
watering,
their
lawn
a
little
bit
too
much
the
lot
down
the
street
has
a
swale
driveway,
the
old
swale
driveway,
and
that's
where
the
waters
tends
to
collect.
We
are
not
getting
a
real
good
image
with
the
folks
of
Punta
Gorda,
who
would
like
to
see
that
all
swales
are
dry
all
the
time,
except
for
seconds
after
it
rains.
We
have
a
list
of
a
couple
hundred
properties
where
folks,
we
tell
them
that
they're
on
the
list
to
be
watched.
What
we
do
now
we
have
a
GPS
video
camera.
J
We
rode
the
entire
city,
both
sides
of
the
street,
pointing
this
camera.
We
can
now
go
back
to
video
and
see
if
somebody
says
that
their
yard
floods
extremely
bad.
We
can't
be
everywhere
when
it
rains,
but
we
can't
go
back
to
these
videos
and
see
what
that
yard
looked
like
one
day
after
the
rain
two
days
after
the
rain.
In
three
days
after
a
rain
and
ninety-nine
point
nine
percent
of
the
time
it's
drying
up,
but
those
three
days
are
very
painful
for
folks.
J
J
One
of
the
ideas
is
if,
instead
of
taking
that
twelve
hundred
dollars
per
lot
to
buy
new
sod
for
somebody,
maybe
a
shared
cost
program
where,
under
the
city's
budget
for
swales,
we
donate
half
the
money
for
somebody
to
get
rid
of
that
swell
driveway
I'm
sure
we'd
be
flooded
with
requests.
If
we
made
it
an
open
policy,
but
if,
if
we
have
already
identified
work-
and
that's
part
of
it,
you
know-
maybe
that's
money
better
spent,
so
there's
lots
of
things
that
we
can
explore
what
we
could
do
with
swales,
but
I.
J
Don't
think
that
what
we've
been
doing
is
sustainable.
It's
not
giving
us
a
good
image
in
the
eyes
of
the
public.
They
think
we're
not
doing
anything
with
them,
but
it's
hard
to
justify
taking
a
crew
and
sending
out
there
for
a
week
that's
going
to
get
rid
of
this
much
water
and
spending.
You
know
all
those
tax
dollars
to
do
that.
So
that's
what
we'd
like
to
talk
about
and
see
where
we
go
with
it.
E
E
It's
a
it's
a
perfect
environment
for
thatch
to
develop
and
its
nutrient
rich,
its
moist
and
it's
a
thatch
issue
and
when
thatch
develops
it's
impervious,
so
the
water
will
not
drink
down
and
it
won't
pass
through
and
I
saw
one
coal
sack
during
the
heavy
rains
in
the
summer.
The
cul-de-sac
would
be
filling
with
probably
eight
to
nine
feet,
perhaps
of
water.
The
you
know,
and
during
the
during
of
the
heavy
rains
I
would
drive
it
every
day.
Just
to
see
what
would
happen.
E
The
water
never
got
more
it
just
as
the
water
rains
came,
it
was
actually
the
water
was
rising
above
the
thatch
and
then
was
moving
on
down
and
I
know.
Mark
looked
at
this
particular
cul-de-sac
and
it
was
the
drain
was
10
lots
away,
so
we
would
have
to
then
it
would
be
10
lot.
So
it
would
have
to
repair
this
with
I.
Don't
have
the
perfect
answer:
look
cuz
I,
but
I've.
E
Given
it
a
lot
of
thought
and
I
think
it's
an
education
process
with
the
homeowners,
and
we
need
to
really
think
this
through,
because
I
think
we're
as
we
have
created
something
that
people
then
expect
us
to
fix
it,
and
the
problem
is
I'll.
Cite
this
cul-de-sac.
The
people
in
the
collar
sack
were
the
ones
having
the
rain
problem.
The
guy
down
is
down.
The
street
is
the
person
whose
yard
is
causing
the
problem.
So
how
do
you
then
go
to
that
person
and
say
you're
causing
a
problem,
so
we
have
to
again.
B
This
probably
is
an
issue
that
needs
to
come
back,
I,
think
to
counsel
and
probably
additional
information.
What
are
the
things
that
I
was
wondering
is
there
is
some
other
form
of
green
or
something
else
that
could
be
rather
than
the
floor
tam,
which
does
statues
or
something
else
that
could
be
planted
there.
That
would.