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A
B
B
We
are
gonna
get
some
help
to
deal
with
this.
It's
gonna
be
a
long-term
thing
for
us.
I
appreciate
all
the
love
and
support
from
everybody
that
has
contacted
me
and
nobody
bugged
me
I
know
a
lot
of
people
said
we
don't
want
to
bug
you,
but
it
did
help
and
make
me
feel
better.
So
if
we
could,
please
stand
for
a
moment
of
silence
for
those
that
we
lost
senselessly
and
those
that
are
still
injured,
I'd
appreciated.
B
Would
just
like
to
add
one
more
thing
that
the
security
and
the
police
that
were
at
the
festival
were
very
key
and
getting
most
of
the
people
out
of
the
festival
area,
one
policeman
in
particular,
what
guided
us
to
a
place
where
we
could
run
out,
and
while
we
were
ducking
and
hiding
and
trying
to
just
lay
on
the
ground
and
shield
ourselves,
the
police
were
standing
there,
they
were
standing
up
and
they
were
directing
the
people
and
I
have
so
much
respect
for
those
officers,
so
keep
them
in
your
thoughts
and
prayers.
To.
B
A
A
D
Thank
you,
council,
Thank
You
mayor
for
having
us
this
morning
and
just
wanted
to
say
hello,
and
thank
you
for
doing
this.
This
is
our
third
year
of
the
program
statewide
the
first
time
we've
asked
Punta
Gorda
for
one.
So
thank
you
for
agreeing
to
it.
The
first
time
we
asked
and
I
have
two
guests
with
me
today.
One
of
our
major
state
partners,
CH,
andp
and
Liz-
is
here
representing
them
this
morning.
Any
time
we
need
anything
throughout
their
service
area.
We
have
hundreds
of
members
throughout
the
area
they
cover.
D
They
are
a
wonderful
wonderful
partner,
whether
it's
our
conference,
whether
it's
getting
brochures
printed
anything
and
then
I
also
have
the
go-to
man
in
Charlotte
County
for
plants,
which
is
al
Squires,
and
he
is
the
past
president
of
the
mangrove
chapter
of
the
Florida
native
plant
Society,
which
covers
all
of
Charlotte.
County
and
I
will
tell
you
when,
when
someone
even
a
government
agency
or
something
has
a
question
about
what's
growing
in
a
natural
area
and
what's
fair
now
they
call
Thal
so
he's
the
guy
and
he's
gonna.
Tell
me
when
we
get
done.
D
I
shouldn't
have
said
that,
but
he
is
the
guy
and
the
mangrove
chapter.
Their
first
meeting
of
a
season
is
October
10th
you're
welcome
to
join.
They
do
field
trips,
monthly
work
days
for
working
with
the
Girl
Scouts
for
Girl,
Scouts,
good
badges
for
identifying
plants
and
invasives
in
Florida
now,
and
that's
actually
really
starting
here
locally.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you.
These
are
two
wonderful
people
that
we
work
with,
that
make
an
impact
locally
and
across
the
state
for
what
we
do
as
a
non-profit,
so
Thank
You
Council.
You.
B
Love
to
hear
that
outreach
with
the
students
and
the
kids-
that's
always
really
exciting,
to
hear
in
our
community.
So
thank
you.
Okay.
Next,
we
have
introduction
of
border
committee
member
nominees.
If
your
name
is
in
the
running
for
a
border
committee-
and
you
would
like
to
introduce
yourself
now-
would
be
the
time
anybody
want
to
introduce
themselves
for
a
board
or
committee
member
position.
B
Okay,
let
us
call
the
meeting
to
order,
let
the
record
reflect
all
Commissioners
are
present.
The
first
item
of
business
is
citizens
comments
on
CRA
agenda
items
only
which
would
be
the
project
status
report
for
September
2017,
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
September
6th
and
the
approval
of
a
second
amendment
to
the
lease
agreement
for
the
solar
now
program.
Anybody
like
to
speak
on
those
items
now
would
be
the
time
make
your
way
to
this
podium.
B
E
Okay,
the
marina
the
dock
master
has
left
some
slips
open,
especially
during
the
hurricane,
so
that
people
could
move
their
boats
in,
but
now
they're
back
on
track.
Twelve
liveaboards
and
the
community
room
continues
to
get
booked
up
pump
out
vessel.
Obviously
the
hurricane
him
hampered
some
of
the
efforts
there
for
that
month.
E
E
This
is
another
matter.
The
contractor,
the
bricklayers
are
out
there
they're
working
fairly
well,
the
Harvey
Street
intersection
and
leading
into
the
parking
area.
Is
the
entranceway
they're
doing
a
lot
of
work?
There's
a
lot
of
brick
and
they're
moving
along
quite
well,
the
harbor
walks
getting
paved.
E
We
have
an
issue
at
the
intersection
of
Durance
and
Retta
and
unfortunately,
we
are
dealing
with
the
contractor
and
they're
having
a
dispute
between
the
contractor
and
the
design
firm.
The
engineering
firm,
we're
in
the
middle
of
it
f
dot,
is
in
the
middle
of
it
they're
trying
to
mediate
the
dispute.
So
that
is
why
the
Durand
Street
intersection
work,
has
kind
of
come
to
a
halt.
Doesn't
surprise
us
every
time,
there's
a
little
issue.
B
E
B
B
E
A
E
B
E
E
We're
gonna
have
to
come
to
grips
very
soon
with
the
dream
salon
and
spa
they
they're.
You
know
they
had
issues
with
their
contractor.
The
contractor
left
their
I,
don't
know
what
legally
I
don't
know
what
they're
doing
they
tried
to
get
another
contractor
in.
They
have
one
on
board.
They
get
they're
trying
to
raise
funds
to
finish
the
work,
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
was
done,
and
so
we've
been
very
lenient
with
them.
Of
course,
we
have
nobody
else
out
there.
E
E
H
E
B
Motion
move
approval.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
a
second
to
approve
the
amendment.
All
in
favor
aye
opposed
carried
unanimously
citizens
comments
on
CRA.
Anybody
like
to
speak
on
the
Community
Redevelopment
Agency.
Now
would
be
the
time
anybody
seeing
none.
We
will
take
Commissioner
comments,
we'll
start
with
Gary
no.
I
A
A
J
Just
want
to
comment
not
on
a
CR
a
matter,
but
we
all
know
that
our
fire
department
does
a
great
job
in
emergencies,
but
sometimes
we
overlook
what
they
do
for
community
is
service
and
I.
Had
an
example
of
that
last
week,
when
my
fire
alarm
batteries
and
fire
alarm
system
went,
hey
were
two
firemen
came
to
the
house.
J
They
worked
for
40
minutes
in
getting
the
batteries
in
and
reprogram
a
couple
of
the
bad
ones,
and
if
you
know
most
of
these
houses
are
high
and
up
tool
to
get
on
the
water,
but
they
did
a
great
job
and
I
certainly
want
to
say
the
fire
department
not
only
for
risking
their
lives
but
for
the
service
they
do
for
the
community.
Thank
you.
B
E
K
Very
grateful
that
you're,
okay
and
further
what
Frank
said
about
the
fire
department.
I
right
before
the
hurricane
I
was
trying
to
help
a
friend
out
and
we
went
and
picked
up
a
whole
pile
of
bakery
that
Publix
graciously
donated
to
us,
and
we
took
all
the
bakery
two
carloads
full
and
I
mean
majorly
full
and
we
went
to
the
fire
department
and
I
backed
my
car
up
to
the
fire
department,
Bay
and
parked
my
car
and
we
went
in
and
we
were
unloading.
K
All
the
stuff
and
I
went
to
start
my
car,
my
car
wouldn't
start
Murphy's,
Law
right,
and
so
they
it
was
like
within
seconds
I
had
about
eight
firemen
running
around
my
car.
They
had
everything
taken
apart.
They
were
reading
the
owner's
manual
and
they
were,
they
were
most
helpful
and
helping
to
get
the
car
restarted.
So
I
could
get
it
home
and
put
parking
in
the
garage.
So
they
were
really
great
and
I
will
be
acknowledging
that
personally.
B
I'll,
just
take
a
minute
to
remind
everybody
that
we
are
have.
We
do
have
an
opening
for
this
Frank
CP
is
not
seeking
reappointment,
so
it's
through
the
Charlotte,
County
and
Karen
has
provided
the
information
and
all
the
weekly
reports
on
how
to
apply
for
that
position,
and
you
do
not
have
to
be
a
city
resident
correct.
You
just
have
to
be
a
like
tour
of
the
county.
Just
have
to
be
registered
to
vote
in
Charlotte
County
to
be
on
the
CRA.
B
Okay.
We
are
back
in
session
as
the
City
Council
and
we
you
don't,
have
any
public
hearings
or
quasi-judicial
public
hearings,
but
we
do
have
two
second
readings.
So
what
we're
gonna
do
now
is
take
a
citizen's
comment
time
on
these
two
items,
only
which
would
be
a
X
0,
1,
1,
7,
the
annexation
of
the
Walmart
Murphy
oil
and
then
the
pd0
1-1
7,
which
is
the
aqui
esta
PD,
the
plan
development.
B
So
if
you
know-
and
then
we
have
the
resolution
for
adopting
the
ad
a
transition
plan,
but
we're
gonna
have
a
whole
presentation
on
the
transition
plan
later
in
the
agenda.
So
those
three
items,
if
you
would
like
to
speak
on
those
three
items
now
would
be
the
time
please
come
to
this
podium
state,
your
name.
You
have
three
minutes
good.
H
Few
notes,
I
have
a
few
comments
related
to
the
American
Disabilities
Act
and
the
ABA
for
short,
the
transition
plan.
Let
me
first
be
clear
that
I'm
a
supporter
of
the
ad
a
Act
and
support
the
council's
adoption
of
the
transition
plan,
I'd
like
to
command
the
city
staff
and
the
Tyndale
Oliver
associates
in
in
the
report
that
they
prepared
exceedingly
thorough.
H
Secondly,
I'd
like
I,
was
a
bit
dismayed
by
the
numerous
actions
that
were
identified
that
were
associated
with
projects
associated
that
the
city
has
been
conducting
specifically,
maybe
on
the
harbour.
Walk,
for
example,
cross
cross-section
slopes
required
to
be
less
than
2
degrees,
and
these
are
projects
that
were
done
on
the
harbour,
whare
block,
in
fact,
I
would
have
to
question
right
now.
H
What
we're
installing
right
now
does
it
meet
a
DA
I
think
it's
best
to
do
it
right
the
first
time
and
not
not
have
to
do
it
the
second
time
and
do
it
over
much
of
the
harbor
walk,
presumably,
would
have
to
be
regraded
to
accomplish
all
of
the
recommendations
associated
with
with
the
a
DA.
So
those
standards
need
to
be
applied
to
what
the
current
projects
are.
H
G
B
G
Feel
that
in
considering
this,
it
would
be
impossible.
It's
impossible
in
the
season
for
me
to
get
out
of
my
driveway
I
have
a
circular
driveway
on
aqueous
and
ash.
Well,
the
traffic
backs
up
on
questa,
and
it
also
backs
up
on
actual
because
you
can't
get
onto
acquiesced
oh
during
the
season,
so
there
has
to
be
something
done
and
now
you're
talking
about
adding
more
people
to
that
area.
E
M
My
name
is
Robert
Wilkin
and
I
live
in
Punta,
Gorda
Isles,
and
we
moved
here
three
years
ago,
when
we
were
the
biggest
reason
we
moved
to
Punta
Gorda,
because
it
was
a
small,
quaint,
r1
town.
We
moved
from
the
big
city,
we
didn't
want
the
big
city
anymore.
We
looked
at
cities
all
over
Florida
and
we
liked
the
quaintness
of
this
town
last
couple
of
years.
This
developer
I,
don't
know
what
his
love
affairs
with
a
kia
stop.
M
He
wants
to
build
multiple,
you
know
housing
on
one
end
or
the
other,
and
we've
noticed
just
in
the
short
period
of
time.
We've
been
here.
This
man
just
said
about
the
traffic
in
season.
I,
don't
know
how
you're
ever
going
to
get
out
of
that
in
a
hurry.
If
there's
an
emergency,
because
two
lanes
is
still
two
lanes,
I
found
it
interesting
that
the
development
that
allegience
building
over
in
Port
Charlotte
that's
a
650
unit
and
this
one's
about
450
they're,
going
to
build
that
on
a
three
lane.
M
Six
lane
divided
highway,
we're
gonna
build
ours
on
a
two-lane
road.
The
other
thing
is,
if
you
put
$450,000
homes
next
to
the
houses
that
are
five
six
seven
eight
doesn't
really
increase
property
values.
It
has
a
tendency
to
bring
them
down
so
I,
just
like
you
to
consider
it.
I
know
I'm
a
little
late
to
the
party
here,
we've
been
out
of
town,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
necessarily
a
good
thing
for
put
decor
tiles.
M
As
I
say,
we
moved
there
because
the
quaintness
of
the
town
and
the
development
seems
to
be
plenty
of
room
down
the
street
here
for
big
housing
next
to
the
courthouse
and
next
to
the
hospital.
Why
doesn't
anybody
develop
that
land?
It's
on
the
harbor,
be
a
beautiful
place
for
this
guy
to
develop
it.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
M
B
F
In
accordance
with
the
voluntary
annexation
provisions
of
section
one,
seven
1.04
for
Florida,
Statutes
redefining
the
boundary
lines
have
said:
City
and
conformance
therewith
amending
the
official
boundary
map
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
directing
the
city
clerk
to
provide
certified
copies
of
this
ordinance
to
the
Charlotte
County
Clerk
of
Court,
Charlotte,
County,
Administrator,
Florida,
Department
of
State
and
Florida
office
of
economic
and
demographic
research,
provided
the
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Thank.
B
F
Is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title
only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida,
rezoning
properties
generally
described
as
901
one
thousand
one
one,
one:
zero
one
aqui
esta
Drive,
Ponte,
Gorda,
Florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
Exhibit
A
attached
hereto
containing
one
zero
five
point:
five:
five
plus
or
minus
a
KERS
from
its
current
zoning
classification
of
general
single-family,
five
units
per
acre,
planned
development,
village
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
provide
an
effective
date.
Thank.
B
E
Regarding
the
okiya
style,
Road
issue
back
in
the
early
2000s,
an
engineering
study
was
done
through
MPO
and
Charlotte
County
for
a
four-lane,
and
it
was
designed.
The
other
options
were
a
three
lane
road
with
a
center
lane
for
turning
and
and
then
the
impact
of
a
of
a
two-lane
road
but
redesigns
with
a
new
bridge
and
raised
up
so
that
it
wouldn't
flood
the
four-lane
road
never
got
built.
E
Nor
did
the
three
lane
with
the
turning
lanes,
and
there
was
a
very
valid
reason
back,
then,
is
why
it
never
got
built
because
the
recession
hit
and
the
federal
state
funding
for
the
project
was
drastically
reduced,
so
that
the
County
Commission
and
the
City
Council
at
that
time
tried
to
get
the
project
accomplished
with
the
dollars
available
at
that
time,
which
was
what
we
have
now.
It
was
strictly
a
fiscal
decision
and
it
was
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
lose
the
federal
state
money
to
at
least
get
the
project
done.
E
B
A
K
Yes,
I
just
have
a
couple
of
quick
comments.
I'd
like
to
make
about
this
project
I,
don't
necessarily
not
want
it
to
happen.
I,
don't
necessarily
disagree
with
the
concept,
but
what
I
am
disappointed
in
is
that
we've
never
ever
had
a
chance
to
meet
mister
floor.
We've
never
had
a
chance
to
know
who
he
is
or
what
he
stands
for,
and
we
know
nothing
about
or
anything
he
did
before.
He
came
to
Punta
Gorda
and
bought
this
land.
K
You
can
go
back
and
look
Bruce,
Lashley
job
off
Ron
oski,
Anthony,
Farhat,
Rick,
Georgie,
Dan,
Castleberry,
Walt
Petersen,
any
number
of
people
who
have
ever
come
before
the
city
to
ask
for
a
change
or
a
special
exception,
or
a
variance
or
a
rezoning
request.
We've
met
every
single
one
of
them
and
I'm
very
disappointed
that
we
have
never
met
this
gentleman
and
had
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
him
and
what
he
stands
for
and
I'm
disappointed
that
he
thinks
we
should
approve
the
rezoning
request.
When
we
really
don't
know
anything
about
him.
K
No
one
seems
to
care
that
the
applicant
has
asked
for
major
concessions
from
the
city,
but
there's
no
give
on
their
part
as
far
as
what
they're
willing
to
do
in
return.
We,
you
know
it.
We
go
back
to
November
when
this
was
also
a
rezoning
request.
We
asked
for
bike
paths,
we
asked
for
turn
lanes.
We
asked
for
a
lane
at
the
corner
of
akia
stone
41,
and
none
of
that
has
been
incorporated
into
this
request
and
I'm
very
disappointed
about
that.
K
I
think
those
are
things
that
we
have
to
have
I,
don't
know
that
we're
ever
going
to
get
another
opportunity
to
review
any
parts
of
this
request
once
it
goes
through
the
rezoning
part
I,
don't
know
that
it
ever
comes
back
to
City
Council
for
us
to
reconsider
any
parts
of
this,
and
it's
very
one-sided
and
I
would
just
like
my
constituents
to
know
that
I
have
written
down
all
the
comments
I've
received
and
I
and
I
wanted
to
relay
them
to
you
for
your
consideration
before
this
is
finally
approved.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
just
to
clarify
really
quickly.
Howard
and
I
met
with
a
large
contingent
of
the
representatives
of
mr.
floor.
Mr.
floor
does
live
in
Spain,
he
does
live
out
of
the
country,
but
they
did
come
and
they
did
sit
down
with
us
before
they
I
believe
was
in
the
process,
but
they
did
come
and
meet
with
Howard
and
I,
and
it
was
a
large
group
and
it
was
pretty
much
everybody
that
was
important
in
the
project
at
the
time
and
they
did
offer
comments
and
questions
at
that
time.
K
L
I
L
Also
in
regarding
break
perhaps
and
real
things,
the
commercial
component
of
the
project
was
taken
out
and
so
I
think
that
took
that
out,
because
the
impacts
that
would
have
been
there,
the
weather's
present
designed
now
it
actually
has
less
of
a
traffic
impact
than
it
would
have
before.
I
was
on
right
now.
There.
K
K
B
F
I'll
read
the
resolution
by
title
only
and
I
know
that
there's
a
presentation
associated
with
this,
so
the
volkl
anyways
after
the
presentation
all
right.
This
is
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
a
resolution
of
the
City
Council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
adopting
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
America,
with
Disabilities
Act
transition
plan
and
providing
for
an
effective
date
for.
N
I've
been
on
the
city
end
of
this,
the
manager
of
this
project
for
quite
some
time.
The
ad
a
transition
plan
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
transition
plan,
is
a
planning
document
that
is
required
for
the
city
to
continue
to
receive
federal
funding
and
for
substantial
portions
of
state
transportation
aid
as
well.
N
The
ad
a
transition
plan
is
a
good
planning
document
for
our
community,
because
it
removes
is
designed
to
remove
existing
barriers
to
accessibility
to
our
public
facilities,
public
accommodation
and
amenities
that
we
have
in
our
community
and
given
our
population,
demographics
there's
a
significant
portion
of
our
population
that
does
have
mobility
challenges,
so
it
is
incumbent
upon
us
to
ensure
that
the
public
goods
and
services
we
provide
are
accessible
to
all
and
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
our
consultant.
To
give
you
the
details
of
plan.
C
O
So
I'm
gonna
have
a
quick
about
20,
minute
presentation
and
so
the
ad
a
it's
a
civil
rights
law.
You
know
much
like
the
civil
rights
laws
of
the
1960's
that
prevented
discrimination
against
people
with
different
races,
religions,
Enders,
but
it
failed
to
mention
discrimination
against
people
with
disabilities
and
it
mandates
equal
access,
as
Austin
said
to
all
your
facilities,
all
building,
sidewalks
parks.
You
know
anything
and
not
just
for
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
but
all
municipalities
in
the
United
States.
O
So
if
a
person
who
is
qualified
under
the
ADEA
cannot
access
facility
and
amenity,
then
it
could
be
violation
of
the
Civil
Rights.
So
the
ABA
specifies
that
a
transition
plan
and
a
self-evaluation
of
all
the
facilities,
amenities
that
you
have
be
performed
and
the
ABA
it
started
in
1990
and
they
said
in
1992
that
all
new
buildings
and
renovations
of
these
facilities
must
be
made
accessible.
Then
also
1992
and
a
transition
plan
must
be
developed
for
all
municipalities.
O
So
while
we
just
now
finish
this
recently-
and
you
were
a
little
bit
behind-
you
are
doing
much
better
than
most
other
jurisdictions
that
I've
encountered
United
States,
seen
as
most
of
your
facilities
do
have
some
issues
that
we
identified,
but
for
the
most
part
they
are
relatively
accessible,
which,
like
I
said,
is
much
much
better
than
many
other
locations
that
I
go
to.
So
this
self-evaluation,
like
I,
said
we
go.
We
look
at
all
the
different
items
that
you
have
all
the
different
buildings.
O
So
the
first
step
was
to
perform
the
self-evaluation,
identify
the
barriers
and
then
after
we
do
then
come
up
with
recommendations
is
come
up
with
a
costing
for
them
and
a
prioritization
to
determine
how
we
can
go
and
make
all
the
amenities
all
the
facilities
accessible
for
everybody
with
within
your
budget
within
whatever
time
frame
is
to
turn
by
by
the
city.
The
ATA
doesn't
say
that
it
needs
to
be
done
within
a
specific
time
frame.
O
Just
that
you
have
a
transition
plan
which
you
know
will
have
and
that
you
have
a
plan
to
go
about
making
it
accessible
at
whatever.
Whatever
sort
of
time
frame
you
decide
upon.
So
we
assess
eleven
buildings,
which
is
about
1400
144,000
square
feet.
Your
parking
lots,
seven
parks
which
are
about
40
acres
and
the
five
multi-use
trails
totaling
about
eight
miles
of
trail,
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
looked
at
parking
lots.
O
And
so,
when
we're
doing
these
assessments,
we
have
a
tablet.
It
allows
us
to
take
pictures
that
it
records
the
GPS,
coordinates
of
each
of
the
facilities
of
the
amenities
and
the
issues
that
we
we
determine
and
that
we
were
able
to
go
and
easily
translate
that
into
report
that
the
city
staff
can
then
go
and
make
accessible.
O
So
the
following
are
just
a
handful
of
the
facilities
we
looked
at
and
some
barriers
to
accessibility.
As
we
found
the
AC
Friedman
house,
it
has
an
elevator
lift
and
when
we
were
there,
it
was
not
working
properly.
So
if
somebody
would
have
difficulty
with
the
mobility
aid
possibly
getting
in
there,
there
were
protruding
objects.
There
were
items
overhanging
that
potentially
could
hit
somebody,
maybe
with
a
visual
impairment
who
won't
be
able
to
see
them
coming.
There
were
steps
and
locations
that
we
recommend
not
having
steps
having
ramps,
for
instance,
some
cracks.
O
Just
a
variety
like
I
said.
Most
of
them
are
minor
barriers
to
accessibility.
A
lot
of
them
are
in
newer
buildings
as
well.
Some
of
it
could
be
caused
by
settling
of
the
of
the
sidewalk.
Some
of
it
may
not
have
been
built
correctly
in
the
first
place.
Lastly,
Park
you
have
the
the
area
over
there
where
for
concerts,
for
it
doesn't
have
an
accessible
route
link
into
it.
O
So
if
you
were
to
have
somebody
trying
to
present
up
there
with
mobility
aid,
it's
possible
that
they
won't
be
able
to
actually
access
it
like
people
without
mobility
issues
would
be
able
to.
But
again
you
also
have
lots
of
facilities,
lots
of
amenities
that
are
perfect,
that
have
lots
of
accessible
features
like
along
the
harbor
walk.
You
have
some
benches
some
picnic
tables
that
are
perfect.
You
have
the
Cooper
Street
rec
center.
You
have
the
playground
out
there
that
is
new.
We
have
accessible
path
leading
to
it,
which
is
fantastic.
O
So
what
we
end
up
doing
after
we
assess
all
these
different
features
is
come
up
with
the
scoring
and
prioritization
for
everything
and
based
upon
the
severity
of
the
accessible
accessibility
features
of
the
barriers
to
accessibility
based
upon
the
prioritization.
That
of
us
in
the
city
determined
whether
it's
that
the
cost
of
the
the
feature
how
new
or
how
old
it
is,
and
we
came
up
with
this
partisan
list.
O
So,
as
the
gentleman
earlier
was
saying,
the
first
thing
that
we
did
was
try
to
go
and
find
out
the
things
you
can
fix
quickly
easily
cheaply
to
get
a
whole
bunch
of
items
made
accessible
in
the
very
near
term
and
we're
calling
those
quick
fixes
and
then
afterwards
the
things
that
are
a
little
bit
more
expensive
that
are
gonna
take
more
time
or
money.
Those
are
a
little
bit
later
on
down
the
road.
O
So
altogether
we
came
up
with
a
general
planning
level
estimate
of
about
two
million
dollars
for
all
these
issues
that
we
determined
to
make
them
accessible.
But
it's
a
plain
level
cost.
So
after
you
have
an
engineer,
come
in
and
actually
determine
the
how
to
fix
these.
So
using
our
recommendations
and
the
cost
could
increase
or
decrease
I've
been
on
that.
O
But
right
now
you
have
over
a
million
dollars
in
the
CIP
dedicated
to
these
ATA
barriers
to
accessibility,
to
fix
them
with
the
next
five
years,
and
then
here's
a
breakdown
of
our
estimated
cost
based
upon
each
of
the
types
of
facilities
we
looked
at
and
then
we
came
up
again,
like
I
said,
with
a
general
five-year
plan
and
here's
the
cost
for
the
CIP
that
we
determine
for
each
of
these
different
facilities.
But
again
you'll,
keep
in
mind
that
we
came
up
with
a
preparation
scheme.
O
There
are
going
to
be
improvements
that
I
could
need
to
be
made
past
that
five
years
from
what
we
anticipate,
but
if
you
chip
away
the
list
a
little
bit
at
a
time
year,
four
year
as
I
mentioned,
even
if
your
budget
changes
increases
decreases
as
long
as
you
make
improvements,
then
you'll
be
covered
by
the
ADA
in
case
there
are
any
80
issues
you
know
later
on,
as
opposed
to.
If
you
do
not
have
a
plan
like
many
other
municipalities,
then
it
would
be
much
worse.
So
thank
you
very
much.
B
O
Lot
of
the
brick
that
you
have
out
there
that
seems
like
it
may
have
been
caused
from
settling
part
of
it
also
seems
like
and
again.
This
is
just
for
me
looking
at
it
without
going
to
the
engineering
plans,
is
it
is
by
the
water,
and
so
I
do
understand
that
the
or
I
would
assume
that
the
person
who
designed
it
probably
designed
it
to
have
a
greater
slope
to
help
with
the
drainage.
H
O
O
A
lot
of
places
where
the
cross
slope
or
where
the
slopes
are
not
that
major,
then
we
suggest
that
you
probably
can't
just
shave
off
a
little
bit
of
it
and
that
would
create
a
big
cost
savings
for
you
as
opposed
to
redoing
everything
which
we
don't
want
to
see
that
just
because
the
major
expense
involved
in
it
so
I
think
in
a
lot
of
places,
it
can
be
done
relatively
cheaply.
It's
just
there's
a
lot
of
sections
throughout
it
that
that
need
to
be
mitigated.
Ok,.
B
O
Aba
says
that
the
surface
needs
to
be
firm,
stable
and
slip
resistant,
so
it
never
says
cement
asphalt,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
different
materials
that
could
be
used.
The
issue,
like
you
said
that
I
have
has
had.
There
is
no
way
to
access
the
stage
from
from
the
parking
lot
without
having
to
go
and
travel
through
the
grass
and
and.
O
Yeah,
the
hill
is
too
steep
right,
so
you're
right
there
is
a
ramp
there.
So
all
you
really
need
to
do
I
believe
there
was
maybe
a
minor
issue
with
the
handrail
at
the
ramp.
You'd
have
to
go,
making
a
connection
from
the
accessible
parking
lot
or
parking
space
to
the
ramp,
ok,
and
whether
that
cement
poured
in
place
rubber.
O
B
As
far
as
like
the
Freeman
house
and
the
historic
structures,
I'm
and
I
guess
I
see
the
city
in
a
catch-22,
because
we
want
to
preserve
these
things,
but
then
we
get
whacked
from
the
other
end
that
they're
not
accessible,
you
know.
So
how
do
you
find
like
a
middle
ground?
You
know
because
you
know
even
the
City
Hall
building.
You
know
we
want
to
save
it.
We
don't
want
to
just
throw
it
away,
but
we
want
to
be
in
compliance.
O
Of
course-
and
we
were
working
with
the
city
trying
to
determine
recommendations
for
that,
the
ATA
came
into
play
in
1990.
It
was
until
1992
that
facilities
built
and
renovated
would
need
to
be
made
accessible.
There
was
a
provision
for
registered
historic
structures
and
also
you
don't
need
to
go
and
make
building
accessible.
That
was
built
prior
to
1992.
O
However,
if
you
have
renovations
made
to
the
building
since
then,
those
renovations
need
to
be
made
accessible,
so
a
place
like
the
AC
Freeman
house,
you
have
an
elevator
or
you
have
a
wheelchair
lift
there
and
the
lift
is
not
working
so
they're
fixing
the
lift
at
a
ramp
to
get
to
the
structure
would
be
our
recommendation.
The
second
story
of
that
building-
you,
you
don't
need
to
make
accessible,
because
that
would
completely
alter
the
entire
ambiance
of
the
building
and
it
was
built
well
before
the
ADA
came
into
play
and
City
Hall
as
well.
O
There
are
some
items
that
are
not
necessary
to
be
made
accessible
there.
Other
things
you
know
signage
door
handles
that
you
could
make
accessible
relatively
cheaply.
You
know
some
of
the
bathrooms
could
be
made
accessible,
in
my
opinion,
without
too
much
expense,
and
you
know
access
to
the
second
floor.
You
know
whether
or
not
you
know
you
need
to
install
an
elevator
right.
O
There
I
think
that
would
change
the
structure
of
the
building,
but
there
are
possibilities
to
add
something
to
exterior
the
building
or
the
other
thing
is
any
services
you
have
offered
on
the
upper
floors
that
are
not
accessible.
Make
those
services
available
in
an
accessible
location,
either
on
their
first
floor
in
another
facility,
where
somebody
with
a
disability
can
go
in
access
them.
B
K
O
K
As
an
example
and
I'll
point
this
out
that,
like
this
building
that
we're
in
right
now,
we
do
have
a
handicap
accessible
ramp
on
the
parking
lot
side,
the
front
entrance,
we
don't
have
a
way
for
people
to
get
in
from
the
street
necessarily,
but
they
can
get
in
the
building.
So
is
it
it's
not
required
I,
don't
think
by
the
a
DA
that
we
change
the
front
entrance.
Is
it
it.
O
Would
not
be
required
since
you
have
the
accessible
entrance
over
here.
You
have
accessible
parking
you're,
not
making
people
walk
some
secure
this
route
to
get
to
the
entrance
when
everybody
else
has
another
route,
so,
in
which
case
you
know
this
entrance
could
sort
of
assuming
that
the
ramps
and
the
slopes
everything
out
there
are
acceptable
would
be
okay,
but
you
do
have
a
few
other
entrances.
O
K
O
Not
familiar
with
the
capabilities
of
the
city,
I
would
think
so.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
issues,
especially
at
some
of
the
quick
fixes
where
it's
just
changing
the
door-handle,
adding
signage
things
that
are
relatively
cheap
and
easy,
in
my
opinion
that
I'm
assuming
the
city
could
go
and
handle
on
their
own.
You
know
relatively
quickly
relatively
cheaply
and
knock
out
a
large
portion
of
these
issues
and,
and
some
of
them
I
think
that
you
can
also
probably
do
when
it
comes
time
to
actually
renovating
modifying
the
facility
for
some
other
issue.
O
You
can
tie
these
80
improvements
into
that
fix
as
well
to
try
to
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone.
In
a
sense
you
know.
So,
if
you're
making
improvements
already
to
the
courthouse
in
2020,
for
instance,
you
can
go
and
probably
save
those
improvements
for
when
you're
doing
that
construction.
You
know
a
later
year,
I.
K
E
I
E
Center,
we
already
got
a
grant
and
we
use
the
grant
monies
to
redo
the
interior
of
the
Cooper
Street
Center.
So
when
you
saw
the
comments
about
the
Cooper
Street
Center,
they
have
been
made
a
DA
accessible
with
the
grant
funds.
So
that's
something
you
can
take
aside
the
the
other.
One
is
city
council
chambers
we
now
have
chairs,
so
we
do
have
accessibility
now
the
room
to
be
able
to
get
in,
whereas
that
was
one
of
the
comments
before
you
know.
E
A
In
as
I
read
through
this
and
I
went
through
each
of
these
documents,
180
pages
of
these,
if
each
of
three
I
distinguish
between
accessible
and
usable
and
I,
certainly
want
us
to
be
able
to
be
accessible
by
anybody,
whoever
they
are
and
I
know
myself.
I
use
a
recumbent
tricycle
when
I
out
there
on
instead
of
a
bicycle
and
I,
know
that
when
it
gets
in
the
grass
it's
really
hard
so
I
can
I
can
appreciate
the
fact
that
somebody
who's
in
a
wheelchair
has
to
can't
really
navigate
in
the
grass
but
I.
A
Also
on
my
tricycle
have
used
the
harbor
walk
on
numerous
occasions
with
no
difficulty
whatsoever
and
have
been
in
areas
where
the
cross
slope
is
much
more
than,
and
it
does
create
an
issue,
but
I
mean
when
I
read
this
report
and
I
noticed
that
in
one
case
we
were
2.6
degree
versus
two
degrees.
I
mean
we're
talking
we're
splitting
hairs
here
and
I
think
you
know
it
depends
on
where
you,
where
you
happen.
To
put
the
the
level
I
mean
you
could
move
the
level
a
foot.
You
might
get
a
different
measurement.
A
A
It
would
be
really
difficult
for
us
to
go
and
have
a
puddle
free
environment,
so
I'm
looking
at
some
of
this
and
thing
well.
How
much
of
this
is
really
valid
versus,
not
and
and
because
it
ends
up
in
a
report,
then
what
do
we
do?
What
do
we
do
about
that?
I
certainly
say
the
low-hanging
fruit
and
those
things
making
doors
accessible
and
things
absolutely,
but
some
of
the
other
ones
I
would
put
them
on
a
priority
level
and
way
down
way
down
it's
just
it's
like.
We
have
bigger
fish
to
fry
here.
A
I
I
Okay,
number:
two:
when
we
talk
about
accessibility
to
people
that
have
mobility
challenges,
there's
also
different
technologies
available
to
those
individuals,
you
can
go
and
see
you
go
into
hospital
and
you'll
see
wheelchairs
that
have
four
little
wheels
like
that
are
like
six
inches,
but
you'll
also
see
a
lot
of
them.
That'll
have
the
small
wheel
on
the
front
and
they're
very
large
wheel
on
the
back,
which
has
a
different
accessibility.
I
You
know,
one
of
the
things
that
you
read
about
is
artificial
lakes,
that
look
that
walk.
We
have
individuals
that
are
able
to
walk
with
two
artificial
legs
and
so
forth.
So
that's
that
criteria,
space
I,
don't
think
we
should
get
into
panic
about.
What
we
want
to
do
is
is
I,
think
as
a
community
and
as
the
city
is,
we
have
a
plan
and
we
want
to
proceed
with
that
plan
in
an
ethical,
reasonable
and
moral
way
and
with
with
what,
with
what
our
means
are
and
I
think
everybody
should
be
copacetic
with
it.
B
Definitely
think
we
should
take
it
to
the
committee.
That's
already
existing
I,
don't
know
how
much
of
that
that
we've
done,
but
I
would
hope
that
we
could
head
in
that
direction
and
get
you
know
back.
In
put
that
you
know,
maybe
maybe
they
can
say
oh
yeah,
well,
that
you
know
one
time.
I
did
want
to
do
this
and
you
know
it
was
an
issue
here,
real
like
what
you
said:
usable
real-life
experiences,
I.