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From YouTube: City of Punta Gorda City Council 10-5-16 Part 2
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A
But
number
one:
the
density
of
the
housing
signal
housing
units
is
not
acceptable.
Today,
I'm
not
satisfied
with
the
rationale
behind
that
number
two
improvements
to
West
Henry:
do
we
need
any
improvements,
I
think
we
may.
Why
do
the
street
made
me
turn
lanes
for
this
resident?
In
a
case,
I
would
think.
Thirdly,
I
would
think
we
can
hold
our
precious
green
area
for
a
while.
What?
What
is
the
rush?
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
what
is
the
rush?
Thank
you.
C
Thomas
Ling
hour
and
12
50
west
marion
avenue
did.
This
seems
like
a
days
of
you
just
a
few
weeks
ago.
I
was
up
here
and
saying:
may
I
concern
is
we
have
no
idea
what
we're
going
to
need
in
the
future
that
continues?
You
know
four
years
ago
we
never
knew.
We
wanted
a
Vietnam
Wall,
but
thank
heavens
that
we
had
space
to
put
it
20
years
ago.
My
history
park
was
just
a
dream
we
have.
C
The
dog
park
was
since
I,
don't
know
when
I
commend
to
play,
but
it
was
something
after
Charlie
we
did
not
have
a
20
years
ago.
We
didn't
need
to
do
a
new
library.
We
definitely
desperately
need
one
now
and
thank
heavens,
we
have
space.
To
put
it.
I
do
not
know,
what's
going
to
happen
ten
years
from
now,
and
neither
does
any
of
you,
but
we
have
found
community
space
available
and
we've
had.
C
We
have
been-
and
we
have
some
time
in
the
last
20
years-
decided
to
subdivide
or
something
this
area
where
I'm
just
talking
about,
we
wouldn't
have
these
things.
I
think
it's
important
to
realize
that
owning
the
property
and
keeping
the
property
for
some
unknown
reason
is.
It
is
a
good
thing
for
all
of
the
citizens,
not
just
a
handful
and
previously
be
attacked
here
today.
There's
plenty
of
real
estate
available
for
development
in
Punta
Gorda.
We
do
not
need
additional
real
estate
properties.
At
this
moment,
Thank.
D
F
Morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
surprise
party
Rachel.
Our
thoughts
are
with
your
family
this
morning,
so
I'm
Julie,
mcgillvary
I,
live
in
PG
I
three
weeks
ago,
I
didn't
know,
I'd
have
dozens
and
dozens
of
new
friends.
As
a
result
of
this,
it's
great
to
see
the
community
come
together,
I'm
glad
we're
finally
having
a
good,
open,
transparent
discussion.
Two
weeks
ago
we
didn't
have
the
developer,
come
up
and
make
his
presentation.
F
So
what
we've
done
is,
as
you
see
here,
another
member
of
our
ground
swell
group
put
this
together,
and
some
of
you
have
this.
This
is
what
the
developer
hasn't
shown
you,
which
is
a
relative
size
of
lots
I'm.
Also,
if
you
could
slide
that
up,
please,
ok,
here's
the
sketch
that
he
drew
out
for
us
I
think
this
is
boilerplate
from
something
else
that
he's
done.
We
measured
these
out
with
contractors.
They
will
not
fit
on
50-foot
lots.
This
would
require
an
80
foot
lot.
Ok,
so
they're
proposing
54
5,500
square
foot
lots.
F
So
these
are
these
are
not.
They
may
be
the
style,
but
they
are
not
drawn
to
scale.
You'd
have
to
be
about
4
foot
tall
I
think
to
fit
into
this.
Ok,
if
you
could
go
to
the
next
one,
we
talked
about
best
and
highest
value
use.
This
is
what
was
originally
I.
Think
discussed
this
sort
of
a
concept
a
few
years
ago.
Howard
mentioned
this
sort
of
thing.
F
If
you
do
decide
to
build
out,
would
provide
more
revenue
to
the
city,
so
ok,
next,
what
I
wanted
to
do
was
ever
you
want
a
vision
for
what
potential
down
the
road
we
talk
about
these
things,
but
this
is
what
another
community
in
Florida
has
done.
This
is
sort
of
band
shell
that
we
could
have
to
bring
people
together
for
the
community
thnx
here's
a
fountain
sort
of
a
concept.
We
could
even
have
this
where
it
illuminates
different
colors
at
night,
that
sort
of
thing
to
help
bring
people
again
to
the
community.
F
So
we
could
have
public-private
partnerships
to
do
this
sort
of
thing.
Next,
Botanical
Gardens,
it's
another
concept.
Next
and
finally,
we
may
have
a
final
solution
for
the
pickleball
problem,
so
so
this
is
just
another
sort
of
thing
that
I
wanted
to
give
everybody
a
vision
for
what
else
we
might
be
able
to
utilize
the
land
for
down
the
road
to
keep
America
or
to
keep
up
punta
gorda
punto
gorgeous.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
G
My
name
is
sherry
Lenora
I
live
in
1532
albatros
drive
and
I
am
not
an
anti
growth
activists
as
a
developer
has
called
us.
I
am
very
pro
growth
for
Punta
Gorda
and
it's
a
good
thing
because
in
my
neighborhood
within
a
block
of
me,
there
have
been
six
houses
built
and
the
ground
is
breaking
for
a
seventh,
so
I.
Don't
think
that
we
are
lacking
rooftops
at
this
point
and
certainly
not
the
potential
for
row
tops
I.
Think
it's
very
important
that
we
keep
this
space
open
for
future
use,
not
necessarily
a
park.
G
We
probably
don't
need
a
park
another
park
right
now,
but
we
do
need
desperately
a
Senior
Center.
There
is
none
to
serve
as
very
the
demographic
of
this
population
that
is
like.
Why
would
there
not
be
a
Senior
Center
for
these
people?
We
do
need
to
reserve
it
for
future
growth,
and
I
am
very
for
development,
but
I
want
wise
development.
G
We
have
I
think
a
real
problem
here
in
this
community,
attracting
younger
people
to
work
the
restaurants,
the
businesses
that
we
have
and
are
going
to
develop
even
more,
and
that
reason
for
that
is
because
they
don't
have
affordable
housing
here.
I,
don't
think
we
need
another
50
for
homes
that
are
priced
at
four
hundred,
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
personally
I.
Don't
think
these
houses
can
compete
with
the
waterfront
homes
that
are
offered
out
for
four
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars.
G
What
we
do
need
are
some
homes
and
the
price
range
of
250
to
350
thousand
price
range
were
those
families
who
are
starting
out
can
come
to
this
community
find
a
job
live
in
a
nice
home
as
there's,
maybe
starter
home.
Now,
back
in
my
day,
a
starter
home.
What's
not
350
thousand
dollars,
trust
me,
but
that's
where
it
is
right
now,
and
so
these
people
need
to
have
a
place
to
come
and
they
also
need
to
be
able
to
then
build
their
way
up
and
perhaps
by
my
home
someday.
G
F
G
D
Okay,
at
this
time,
I'm
going
to
have
to
call
the
recess
and
I
would
just
not
to
draw
this
out,
but
I
have
no
idea
how
this
is
going
to
go.
So
if
you
feel
the
inclination
to
continue
this
until
the
next
meeting,
I
would
ask
for
that
consideration
or
you
know,
do
what
you
want,
but
okay,
well,
you
can,
you
can
get
their
win,
but
I
would
ask
for
that
consideration
after
you
hear
all
the
public
comment.
D
H
D
I
J
H
K
K
An
email
to
the
city,
council,
members
and
candidates
I'd
like
to
share
some
of
that
here.
These
have
been
distributed
throughout
here.
All
the
council
members
have
a
copy
of
it.
I
can
only
provide
a
condensed
version
because
of
time,
my
35
years
in
the
field
of
construction
of
cause,
numerous
red
flags
for
me,
with
the
proposed
plan
of
upscale
homes,
some
of
those
items
that
are
on
the
pamphlet
that's
been
distributed
and
that
the
City
Council
has
also
lots
are
too
small
for
upscale
homes.
K
If
there
are
many
of
the
lots
are
55
x,
100
feet,
the
setback
requirements
will
be
little
for
a
backyard.
If
you
want
to
park
your
car
in
the
front
you're
going
to
have
to
be
bout,
what
do
you
feed
back?
Your
back
of
your
car
will
be
on
the
street.
Storm
of
drainage
requirements
may
require
that
swells
be
put
on
private
property.
K
This
and
other
points
itemized
in
the
correspondence,
fails
to
support
the
starting
price
of
450,000
for
a
smaller
home.
If
you
extrapolate
that
out
to
the
larger
one,
it
would
come
out
to
be
about
over
five
hundred
eighty
thousand
dollars
compared
homes
sold
within
the
last
18
months
in
the
immediate
area
that
are
not
in
the
water
has
sold
for
any
word
from
two
hundred
and
two
thousand
to
four
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand
dollars,
I
walk
the
property
Saturday
and
stood
down
win
for
the
new
sofa
yard.
K
I
could
smell
raw
sewage
I've,
never
seen
an
upscale
development
anywhere
near
anything
related
to
sewage.
This
alone
will
make
this
a
very
tough
sale.
I
created,
drawings,
you've
seen
some
of
them
up
here
this
one.
This
this
represents
the
type
compaction
of
the
homes.
Things
are
relative
up
there
you
see
the
car
that
would
be
parked
in
the
driveway
and
it
would
be,
but
it
up
right
to
the
to
the
road
itself.
K
City
manager,
Howard
communic
responded
to
my
email
in
his
response.
Mr.
Kuhn
assured
that
the
drainage
building
construction,
road
layout
site
layout
and
some
of
all
summer
and
zoning
excuse
me
all-
will
be
handled
by
the
permitting
process
and
laying
some
of
my
concerns,
but
he
also
added,
in
addition
that
developers
fully
aware
of
the
master
pumping
station
location
and
knows
that
it
will
remain
in
its
present
location.
We
try
very
hard
to
eliminate,
eliminate
excuse
me.
K
We
try
very
hard
to
limit
odor
emanating
from
the
station,
but
realize
that
at
times
there
will
be
such
an
odor
depending
upon
wind
conditions,
chemicals,
lift
stations,
failures,
etc.
We
already
addressed
this
issue
when
we
receive
any
done.
Okay,
we
ready
address
this
issue
and
receive
any
complaints
from
the
area.
Again,
the
developer
is
fully
aware
of
the
situation
and
filled
single-family
homes
would
be
appropriate
for
the
site.
It's
comforting
to
know
that
the
city
has
done
its
part
in
ensuring
the
developer
is
fully
aware
of
these
issues.
K
M
Good
morning,
Jerry
waxler
Macquarie
law,
firm
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
white
pearman
and
PGI
homes.
I
just
wanted
to
speak
very
briefly
to
some
of
the
benefits
of
this
project,
as
mr.
kunuk
indicated
earlier,
the
original
proposals,
the
original
thinking,
was
that
this
would
be
a
15
unit
per
acre
mixed
commercial,
residential
project
or
site.
This
proposed
project
will
reduce
that
density
turn
it
into
single-family
homes
makes
it
more
compatible
with
what's
actually
around
it,
and
we
think
that
is
a
benefit
to
the
community.
M
The
second
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
the
construction
of
this
will
likely
be
done
in
conjunction
with
the
construction
and
permitting
of
the
library
that
allows,
as
they
look
at
a
master.
For
instance,
a
master
storm
water
system
and
some
other
shared
infrastructure
allows
for
reduced
costs
for
the
library
which
provides
more
dollars
to
be
used
to
create
a
library
which
is
what
this
community
envisions
for
itself
and
finally,
I
think
it's
very
important
to
talk
about
some
of
the
fiscal
benefits
of
converting
this
property
from
city-owned
property
to
privately
owned
property.
M
Immediately
upon
closing
this
property
will
go
back
on
the
tax
rolls
and
will
generate
revenue
for
the
city
that
revenue
will
increase
as
homes
continue
to
be
built.
The
city
is
already
struggling
to
find
the
budget
to
maintain
the
private
property
that
it
currently
owns.
We
have
nothing.
There
is
nothing
in
the
long-range
plan
in
your
long-range
CIP
for
new
parks
and
new
development.
Private
groups
had
to
even
fund
the
park
elements
on
Gilcrest
Park.
M
So
while
we
talk
about
retaining
the
space,
what
we
don't
talk
about
is
the
cost
of
retaining
the
space
versus
the
revenue
that
it
would
generate.
It
would
generate
direct
revenue
in
terms
of
property
taxes,
direct
revenue
in
terms
of
impact
fees
paid
upon
development.
It
would
create,
in
direct
revenue
to
the
city,
from
the
increase
in
business
to
the
local,
to
our
local
businesses
from
the
new
residents,
as
well
as
indirect
impacts
from
the
additional
construction
jobs
that
would
be
created
to
put
in
the
infrastructure
and
to
build
these
homes.
M
Overall,
when
you
look
at
it
on
balance
the
benefits
that
this
project
generates
over
overtake
the
potential
detriments,
you
have
an
abundant
amount
of
green
space
in
the
city
and
a
very
abundant
amount
in
the
surrounding
County.
Let's
put
this
property
to
use
that
will
provide
immediate
and
direct
benefits
to
the
city,
given
that
Mayor
kießling
had
to
leave
I
understand
for
for
personal
reasons,
we
would
support
a
continuance.
This
is
an
issue-
that's
too
important,
not
to
have
the
full
council
way
in
honor.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
L
My
name
is
Randy
facet
and
I
live
here
in
Punta.
Gorda
had
moved
here
about
31
years
ago
and
since
then
have
developed
and
built
about
600
condos
here
in
PG,
I
and
I
did
look
at
this
property,
with
the
thought
of
maybe
putting
condominiums
on
it
or
rental,
housing
or
apartments,
and
you
think
this
room
is
full
now
it
would
have
been
twice
it's
full,
so
I
thought
well
I'm
not
going
to
go
there,
and
since
then
I
saw
this
particular
project
being
proposed,
and
I
says
this
is
perfect.
L
This
is
what
we
need
is
close
to
downtown
it's
in
character
with
their
historic
district.
It's
affordable
and
I
was
flabbergasted
to
think
that
it
did
not
get
voted
through,
but
it
didn't-
and
here
we
are-
and
I
am
here
to
speak
in
favor
of
it
to
the
council.
Members
of
the
soon
will
be
voting
on
it.
As
the
developer
said,
this
is
not
the
last
stage
in
this
development.
It's
going
to
come
before
city
staff
for
further
evaluation.
L
This
it's
a
concept.
The
dive
went
through
many
times,
and
it's
going
to
get
tweaked
by
staff
and
by
council
members,
but
this
is
this
is
we're
at
a
point
or
the
developers
at
a
point
that
he
needs
to
say
yes
or
no.
We
need
to
move
forward
or
get
bullied
down,
and
certainly
he
has
spent
a
lot
of
money
to
get
to
this
point
in
time,
and
the
city
has
invited
development
proposals
and
now
you're
taking
a
second
guest
at
it.
L
I
just
don't
understand
that
part
of
it,
but
that's
your
Turner
there,
but
I
am
fully
in
favor
of
this
moving
forward.
I
think
it's
needed
and
I
hope
that
it
helps
get
rid
of
our
blank
open
space
in
our
downtown
area
that
we
need
to
get
developed
for
residential
or
commercial
and
in
retail,
and
this
will
help
that
condition
and
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank.
N
Good
morning
my
name
is
Tom
thornberry
I
live
at
3166
lake
view.
Boulevard
port
charlotte
florida
I've
been
a
resident
of
Charlotte
County,
since
1972
I
had
dark
hair,
then
in
a
flat
belly
things
change
over
the
time.
It
is
what
it
is
I
also
own
Charlotte
plumbing
incorporated
I'm
a
plumbing
contractor
here,
and
if
the
people
in
this
room
that
are
here
over
the
last
35
years,
if
you've
built
here,
there's
a
good
chance.
We
plumbed
your
home
I've
known
this
young
gentleman
a
long
time.
N
This
developer
I
knew
his
father
prior
to
that
I.
Do
my
wife
and
I
do
have
a
little
bit
more
personal
state.
We
are
now
proud
owners
of
a
downtown
historic
lot
on
olympian
goldstein.
In
fact,
if
this,
if
I'd
have
known
this
I
might
have
waited
and
moved
into
one
of
those
patio
homes
out
there
and
not
pop
downtown,
but
it's
a
five-minute,
walk,
downtown
and
it'll
be
a
10-minute
bike.
Ride
out
to
this
project,
I've
done
plenty
of
these
projects
before
probably
25
of
them.
I
have
40
employees
and
family
members.
N
We
all
frequent
downtown.
We
love
downtown
Punta,
Gorda
I'm,
going
to
retire
in
downtown
Punta
Gorda
I,
don't
have
the
luxury
of
where
you
some
of
you
folks
are
now,
but
I'm
going
to
have
it
soon.
My
job
and
sole
job
at
Charlotte
plumbing
is
to
take
stay
three
or
four
months
out
ahead
of
my
employees,
making
sure
that
we
have
the
word.
J
E
Good
morning,
tom
hamilton
live
in
jamaica
way
up
in
punta
gorda.
I
was
initially
against
developing
this
project,
want
to
put
it
in
inventory,
this
kind
of
thing,
because
basically
I
said
well.
What
are
you
gonna
do
with
the
money
I
said
you
know,
we
could
have
this
for
future
use
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
good
uses
potentially
in
the
future,
but
then
I
said
well.
What
about
current
use?
Okay
for
the
money?
Is
this
properties?
E
If
you
went
with
this
developer
or
schedule
to
generate
about
a
million
and
a
half
dollars,
that's
not
to
say
also,
you
generate
50
thousand
dollars
in
revenue,
whereas
if
you
did
a
park
in
the
future,
you'd
actually
have
a
cost.
So
you,
actually
you
did
this
project
you'd
actually
have
a
revenue
versus
a
cost.
Well,
how
about
the
man
and
a
half?
Well,
what
other
things
are
we
doing
in
the
community
is
going
to
cost
us
a
million
and
a
half?
E
E
J
O
Karen
Turnbull
punta
gorda
isles,
for
the
last
25
years
it
was
mentioned
earlier
that
we
don't
have.
The
PGI
area
is
not
brimming
with
kids,
which
is
fine,
but
it
has
lots
of
pets
and
I
say
this,
because
a
dog
park
meets
on
our
need
as
a
playground
meets
the
need
for
kids.
The
amenities
are
limitless
that
could
be
offered
in
this
spot,
which
is
particularly
unique
because
of
access.
Many
older
people
have
trouble
seeing
they
have
trouble
driving
at
night.
Close
access
is
very
important
to
our
current
population.
O
I
believe
I
have
nothing
against
the
developer
whatsoever,
but
I
do
believe.
The
benefits
to
a
huge
majority
of
current
residents
outweigh
the
relatively
short-term
benefits
to
developers
and
workers.
Finally,
I
have
a
safety
concern,
there's
two
ways
into
punta
gorda
isles:
there's
aqui
esta
and
there's
marion
right
now.
The
traffic
is
bad
during
tourist
season.
If
you're
sitting
here
at
olympia
and
41,
you
often
have
to
wait
for
2
light
changes.
O
Now,
if
you're
sitting
there
on
41
going
to
marion
we're
backed
up
on
the
bridge
during
tourist
season,
if
we
think
that's
bad
now,
the
last
thing
we
need
to
do
is
add
more
cars,
west
of
41
I
believe
that
the
council
needs
to
step
back.
I
believe
this
is
premature.
I
believe
this,
along
with
aqui
esta
and
vivante,
our
patchwork
knee-jerk
developments,
I
believe
that
you
need
to
step
back
talk
about
green
space.
Talk
about
the
future
talk
about
where
other
revenue
could
be
raised
prior
to
even
considering
this.
O
So
in
terms
of
continuing
the
discussion,
if
we
were
to
continue
the
discussion,
I
would
request
that
a
lot
more
planning
be
done
and
presented
prior
to
the
proposal
being
made.
I
was
here
and
I
meeting
not
too
long
ago,
and
a
woman
asked
about
her
sewer.
She
didn't
know
whether
to
put
in
a
new
sewer
because-
and
the
answer
she
received
was
well
we're
not
sure
about
when
it'll
be
a
long
time.
O
J
P
Well,
good
morning,
I'm
TJ
thornbury
I'm,
sorry
sweating
a
little
bit
little
warm
out
in
the
lobby,
but
I'm
glad
that
we
have
a
fire
marshal
working
the
door.
It
says
how
much
how
passionate
we
are
about
this
subject.
I
didn't
come
to
the
last
like
two
weeks
ago,
when
this
was
hurt
because,
quite
frankly,
I
thought
it
was
a
shoo-in
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
and
congratulating
the
council
for
bringing
this
back.
P
I
think
it's
important
whenever
you
have
questions
that
aren't
answered
and
things
that
need
to
be
that
warrant
further
discussion,
that
you
took
the
courage
to
do
that
and
I
think
it's
a
great
thing:
I,
don't
think
that's
a
negative
at
all.
Secondly,
I
built
downtown
I
just
finished
my
own
house
at
three-thirty,
West
McKenzie
street.
We
have
two
houses
going
on
grey
Street
I
can
tell
you
hands
down
I,
get
questions
and
calls
every
day
when
people
say
what
the
downtown
experience
is.
It's
where
this
project
located.
P
P
Some
people
may
not
be
able
to
walk
from
this
project
to
downtown,
but
I
can
tell
you
half
the
people,
if
not
more,
that
the
calls
that
I'm
getting
our
young
professionals
and
this
project
is
perfectly
suited
for
that
the
city
astridus
as
part
of
our
strategic
plan.
All
the
pluses
have
been
laid
out,
and
I
really
feel
like
you
know
if
you,
if
you
have
a
lot
the
lot
sizes
as
your
issue
or
the
house,
is
being
too
close
together.
When
my
gosh
don't
buy
a
house
in
there,
don't
live
there.
P
The
people
who
buy
in
there
want
that.
That's
why
they're
going
to
buy
and
as
I
think
it's
highly
marketable.
So
thank
you
again
for
bringing
this
back.
I
really
really
hope
that
this
is
a
reconsidered
decision
and
that
we're
not
sending
a
negative
message
to
growth.
I
understand
the
green
space.
Trust
me
I'm
born
here
I
was
I'm
from
here.
I
grew
up
on
and
off
my
whole
life
here
and
I.
P
J
Q
Q
Time
a
year
ago,
my
family,
I'm
an
engineer.
I
work
in
technology.
I
think
I'm
kind
of
the
people
you
want
to
get
in
here
own
two
properties.
Here.
I
have
to
say
that
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
came
here
was
because
punta
gorda
is
a
blank
slate
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
ready
to
be
what
it
wants
to
be.
Unfortunately,
I,
don't
think
it's
being
planned
correctly.
If
this
is
going,
I,
don't
think
it's
a
great
day,
don't
think
it's
a
great
solution
for
the
problem
of
this
open
space.
Q
I
don't
think
it's
problem
to
have
the
open
space.
I
think
it's
great
to
have
the
future
use
for
it.
I
also
want
to
state
real
quick
that
if
projects
like
this
are
what's
coming
in,
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
pull
in
young
people,
professionals
I
think
you're
going
to
pull
in
more
of
the
same.
You
can
have
empty
roofs
all
the
time
throughout
the
year.
No
businesses
they're
going
to
be
helped.
No
patrons
and
I
think
it's
actually
going
to
diminish
the
quality
of
life.
The
pundit
work.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
R
Good
afternoon
Kevin
Graham
I've
lived
in
charlotte
county
for
the
most
part.
Since
nineteen
seventy-four,
I
have
a
business
right
across
the
street,
I'm
in
the
title
industry.
I
know
a
little
bit
about
real
estate
and
I've
watched.
What's
happened
in
this
county
for
a
very
long
time,
I
look
at
the
vacant
commercial
properties,
because
I
am
a
person
that
hangs
down
town
a
lot.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
restaurants
and
the
shops
and
I
remember
lashley
park
being
empty
for
a
very
long
time
until
we
found
a
local
resident.
R
That
believed
in
Punta
Gorda
and
the
reason
that
said
empty
is
because
the
national
companies,
the
larger
restaurants,
the
larger
groceries,
those
people
that
looked
at
that
project,
they
measure
your
roof,
tops
from
one
three
and
five
miles
out
and
every
one
of
them
always
said
the
rooftops.
Aren't
there
the
reason
we
have
vacant
commercial
property
downtown
now
is
because
we
can't
get
the
smaller
groceries
the
trader
joe's,
the
public's
you
know
they
don't
want
to
be
downtown.
Why?
Because
the
the
rooftops
don't
support
it.
R
J
S
Good
morning
my
name
is
Maureen
Groff,
please
forgive
me.
I
just
came
from
a
Zumba
class,
truthfully
I,
don't
think
the
property
is
worth
developing
and
the
reason
is
because
of
the
pump
house,
which
is
obvious
and
the
dog
park.
Once
you
get
people
moving
in
there.
If
you're
going
to
get
people
who
are
willing
to
pay
that
kind
of
price
for
a
house
they're
going
to
complain
about
how
stinky
it
is
there,
and
it
is
I,
walk
past
there
every
day
with
my
dog,
it
smells
terrible,
so
they're
going
to
complain
their
taxpayers.
S
Then
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
do
something
about
that
property
and
cleaning
up
the
smell.
The
second
issue,
again
is
the
dog
park.
I
have
a
dog
I
personally,
don't
bring
my
dog
there,
but
the
people
are
going
to
start
complaining
about
barking.
People
who
live
on
Henry
Street
now
complain
about
barking.
So,
what's
going
to
happen,
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
go
in
there
going
to
have
to
move
the
dog
park
anyway.
S
Right
now
we
have
people
complaining
about
pickleball
noise
and
that's
just
Retta
Esplanade
and
those
people
seem
to
carry
a
lot
of
weight
because
they
hear
a
little
pickleball
noise.
So
now
you're
having
people
move
in
you're
charging
them
a
lot
of
money
for
a
house.
I
agree
they're
on
top
of
one
another.
It's
a
bad
use
of
that
space.
If
you
really
feel
you
have
to
develop
that
space,
but
less
houses
in
there,
why
are
we
packing
houses
on
top
of
one
another?
S
Our
town
is
packed
enough
and,
as
they
said
before,
we've
got
plenty
of
property
available
in
this
town
along
the
canals
are
still
property
that
can
go
up
for
sale,
there's
property
on
the
golf
course
there's
property
in
the
city
that
we
can
develop
before
we
develop
the
back.
Also,
the
person
before
me
just
address
what
about
the
east
side
of
town?
We've
got
lots
of
property
out
there.
S
J
T
Can
you
hear
me,
can
you
hear
me
yeah
I,
don't
need
this.
My
name
is
Robin
Adair
I
live
in
the
on
Deborah
drive
here
in
Punta,
Gorda
I've
been
here
17
years
and
I
have
no
plans
speech,
but
I'm
gonna
tell
you
one
thing:
I
get
excited
very
easy.
What
I
get
excited
about
is
our
little
town.
Our
town
has
charm.
Our
town
has
wonderful
people
from
different
areas.
They
have
different
backgrounds
and
that's
one
reason.
We
have
lots
of
volunteers
and
not
volunteer
a
lot.
Okay,
where
I'm
coming
from
is
green.
T
Space
is
important
developments
important,
but
the
real
reason
this
gentleman
or
his
company
wants
to
put
that
piece
of
development.
There
is
money,
it's
a
good
price,
okay
and
I'm
concerned
about
naples,
sarasota,
venice
and
right
now
this
particular
area
right
here
it
has
the
best
buy
coming
from
those
two
areas.
So
it's
more
important
to
me
and
my
family
and
I
don't
have
an
economic
reason
for
this
I,
don't
make
a
dime
doing
this.
T
U
Hi,
my
name
is
Matt
Yuba
lacquer,
I
graduated
from
charlotte
high
in
1978,
and
my
two
older
children
graduated
from
charlotte
high
and
my
youngest
graduated
from
Port
Charlotte
hi
I've,
been
in
the
area
a
long
time
and
all
I
know,
is
that
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
solicited
bids
for
this
property
for
15
units
per
acre.
They
got
a
proposal
for
five
units,
an
acre
and
then
they're
being
crucified
that
they're
trying
to
build
too
many
houses
on
top
of
each
other.
U
If
that
project
is
going
to
be
a
beautiful
project
for
downtown
all
the
businesses
in
downtown
need
more
people
that
are
walking
distance
or
bike
riding
distance.
The
city
had
their
utility
thing.
There,
Hurricane
Charley
messed
it
up.
They
found
cheaper
land
and
built
that
that
makes
this
land
more
valuable
for
this
type
of
project,
not
for
things
that
don't
bring
money
into
the
city.
There
is
plenty
of
land
for
parks
we
have
Gilcrest
park.
U
You
have
lashley
park
all
within
like
a
mile
radius
arm,
there's
more
places
that
people
need
parks
a
little
outside
the
city.
So
I
believe
that
this
project
is
very
important
to
the
businesses
in
downtown
and
to
the
residents
in
punta
gorda
isles
also
I
believe
that
if
this
project
goes
through,
it
will
bring
more
people
to
this
area
from
other
places
that
will
bring
more
people
to
this
area.
The
housing
that
is
built
by
PGI
homes
is
incredible,
and
anyone
that's
been
in
any
other
models
or
any
of
their
homes,
their
beautiful.
J
V
Dorsey
hall
punta
gorda,
it's
all
about
money,
and
I
know
the
city
needs
money.
It's
when
is
it
not
going
to
need
money,
but
you
know
if
we
sell
it,
we
don't
have
it
anymore,
and
you
know
just
look
at
I
know
we're
not
New
York
City,
but
just
think
what
New
York
City
could
do
if
they
sold
Central
Park.
You
know
I
mean
millions
billions,
maybe
of
dollars
and
it's
their
green
space.
They
used
it,
they
need
it
and
rooftops.
V
We
need
rooftops,
but
we
need
year-round
rooftops.
We,
you
know
we
sell.
We
definitely
support
our
businesses
during
season,
so
we
need
year-round
rooftops
and
I.
Don't
know
how
we
do
that,
but
it's
not
by
having
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
homes
pep
packed
in
and
losing
our
great
space
forever.
This
is
city
property
and
we
need
to
keep
it
city,
property
for
the
future,
I
think
senior
citizen
center
or
a
band
shell
and
be
awesome.
Those
are
awesome.
Ideas.
Thank.
W
Good
morning,
my
name
is
Scott
Easton
and
I'm,
a
resident
of
punta
gorda.
I've
been
here
since
2002,
and
I'm
here
to
ask
the
city
council
not
to
sell
the
Henry
Street
property
I'm
here
to
ask
if
it
property
be
preserved
as
a
public
space
and
as
a
green
space
on
the
surface,
it's
easy
to
look
at
public
places
and
see
them
as
nothing
more
than
physical
location,
but
beneath
the
surface
these
places
can
be
so
much
more
their
locations
where
the
community
comes
alive.
W
The
bonds
among
neighbors
are
strengthened
and
we're
strength
of
belonging
is
fostered.
The
future
health
of
our
community
in
our
little
city
depend
on
healthy
public
places
being
available.
We
have
an
opportunity
right
now
to
preserve
this
irreplaceable
asset
for
the
good
of
all.
The
City
Council
has
an
opportunity
to
continue
to
give
itself
a
legacy
of
providing
for
future
residents.
W
Public
spaces
are
sought
out
by
so
many
as
a
way
to
get
out
of
the
house,
enjoy
nature
and
enjoy
each
other.
Just
looking
at
the
parks
in
town,
we
can
see
the
frequency
of
use
the
little
park.
A
tackiest
on
Bal
Harbour
is
beautifully
loved
and
cared
for
by
volunteers.
The
path
around
the
city
is
absolutely
fabulous.
Wish
we
had
more
public
waterfront
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
future.
W
The
ponce
park,
waterfront
area,
which
is
loved
and
used
by
so
many
the
central
thought
of
creating
public
space,
lies
in
its
emphasis
on
putting
people's
needs
and
aspirations
in
the
process
of
designing
the
community.
It
recognizes
that,
while
planners
can
give
a
place,
structure
and
access
as
the
community
gives
its
heart
and
vibrancy
ultimately
placemaking
creates
public
spaces
for
the
community
with
the
community.
To
do
this,
the
city
council
needs
to
keep
the
Henry
Street
property,
even
if
its
exact
future
is
not
defined.
Today,
let
let
a
citizens
group
do
that.
W
J
X
Good
morning
my
name
is
Jeff
Barlow
I
live
on
Bimini
Lane,
PGI
I
think
it's
rather
naive
to
think
that
54
rooftops
are
going
to
change
the
downtown
business
district
that
it's
going
to
help
these
companies
to
survive.
As
mentioned
a
lot
of
these
folks
they're
going
to
be
snowbirds
well
during
the
during
season,
you
don't
need
additional
rooftops
during
the
offseason.
You
need
people
here
to
support
them.
So
I
think
it's
very
naive
to
even
think
that
rooftops
are
going
to
make
a
difference
at
this
point.
X
Unless
you're
looking
at
a
development,
that's
going
to
bring
in
to
300
potential
rooftops,
then
you're
looking
at
something
there's
plenty
of
those
type
properties
available
on
airport,
Taylor
and
then
I
think
is
a
couple
of
the
developers
and
builders
have
spoke
about.
The
henry
street
area
is
I,
guess
the
hot
spot,
there's
plenty
of
private
property,
that's
available
on
the
market
today,
where
you
could
cite
similar
projects.
X
So
that
really
should
not
be
an
issue
just
in
closing
one
thing:
I
just
want
you
to
think
about.
As
soon
as
you
ink
adil,
you
cannot
undo
it.
You
can
call
for
as
many
reeve
oats
as
you
want
to
and
future
discussions
as
you
want
to.
As
soon
as
you
Inc
a
contract,
the
property
is
gone.
It
will
no
longer
be
available
for
any
public
use.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Y
Morning,
everyone,
I'm
least
enough
I'm,
a
punta
gorda
isles
resident
on
pine
island
court.
I
like
to
say
that
I'm
for
this
project,
I
think
that
this
is
a
fabulous
use
for
this
land.
It's
can
it's
in
keeping
with
the
uses
on
two
sides.
You've
got
residential
use
on
the
south
side
of
Henry
Street,
which
no
one
seems
to
be
talking
about
today.
This
would
just
kind
of
advance
that
residential
neighborhood
across
Henry,
Street
I,
think
the
people
in
those
houses
might
like
to
see
more
residential
use
across
Henry
from
them.
Y
The
property
is,
the
property
is
set
up
already
in
the
land
use
plan
to
be
developed,
keeping
it
in
green
spaces,
not
in
keeping
with
the
land
use
plan,
and
this
property
is
about
15
acres
and
it's
zoned
for
15
units
and
acre
right
now
that
you
do
the
math
on
that
that's
225
homes
that
could
be
in
there.
If
you
think
what's
proposed,
is
tight.
That's
nothing
compared
to
what
it's
zoned
to
be
done.
Y
B
Morning,
Steve
Fabian
I
live
in
porter
go
dial
has
been
here
for
25
years,
30
years
I
we
heard
the
developer
say
this
is
not
the
beginning.
This
is
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
this
project
in
the
future.
It's
not
a
thing.
It's
whether
we
move
forward
or
not
I've
heard
comments
about
majority
of
the
people
want
this
one:
it's
not
the
two
sylhet.
What
is
the
majority
I
heard
at
the
last
meeting?
There
was
a
hundred
and
sixty
I
think
some
signatures.
We
got
over
13,000
taxpayers
in
this
city.
B
B
I
think
there
is
a
memo
of
understanding
between
the
city
and
the
Protagoras
Housing
Authority
for
property
that
they
owned,
where
they
could
put
a
senior
citizen,
but
it
takes
money,
people
money,
so
you
know
we
can
sit
here
all
day
long
and
play
what
ifs.
What
if
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
the
council
vote
and
move
forward
on
this?
Thank
you.
Thank.
Z
My
name
is
Lauren
ben
and
I
live
on
Rosa
lane
in
Punta,
Gorda
and
I'm
for
the
project
for
the
project,
because
I
believe
in
growth
and
I
believe
in
a
town
that,
even
as
one
of
the
councilman
said,
we're
going
to
grow
our
population
by
fifty
percent
in
the
next
twenty-four
years.
That's
really
only
a
one
point:
three
percent
growth
per
year-
it's
pretty
slim.
We
need
growth
in
this
city.
Cities
need
to
grow
so
I'm
for
the
project.
I
think
it's
a
responsible
project.
I
think
it
will
help
the
downtown
area.
AA
Good
morning
my
name
is
Susan
dias
para.
I
live
in
punta
gorda
and
have
since
to
South
2003
I.
Am
a
realtor
I,
listen
to
a
lot
of
people
that
want
to
lived
it
by
downtown.
We
have
a
great
downtown
facility
area,
lots
of
great
things
to
do
Gilcrest
park
along
the
water.
We
work
so
hard
and
spent
so
much
money
in
developing
and
promoting
that
and
when
we
buy
our
houses,
we
all
think
location,
location,
location
and
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
really
would
like
to
be
closer
to
downtown.
AA
They
want
to
ride
their
bikes,
they
want
to
walk,
they
want
to
go
and
enjoy
what
Fisherman's
Village
has
to
offer,
and
they
don't
always
want
to
get
in
their
cars.
Or
maybe
there
don't
drive
well
after
dark,
so
location
again
is
important.
The
thing,
too
is
I've,
heard
a
lot
of
different
pieces
of
information
today
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I,
don't
know
what
is
assumed
and
what
has
been
provided
by
the
developer.
AA
It's
not
set
in
stone
the
deals,
not
in
not
done
at
all
they're
just
asking
to
go
forward
to
have
more
discussion
and
I.
Think
it's
important
that
we
know
so
that
someday
we
don't
sit
back
and
go
oh
gee.
If
I
had
only
known
a
little
bit
more,
maybe
I
would
have
been
for
it.
I'd
like
to
know
more
I,
don't
want
to
close
my
mind
and
say
no
I'm
against
it.
AA
AA
To
be
honest
with
you,
Anthony
probably
could
go
someplace
else
and
put
this
project
together
and
not
have
this
discussion
and
go
through
this
hardship,
but
I
think
it
means
enough
to
him
and
he
sees
a
need
for
it
and
I
think
again,
location,
location,
location,
let's
give
people
a
chance
to
live
downtown
and
enjoy
it.
Thank.
AB
Hi,
my
name
is
sue
Carmen
I
live
in
district
1
in
Punta,
Gorda
and
I
am
against
the
project,
as
are
many
of
my
neighbors,
not
to
repeat
everything
everyone
said,
but
they
keep
seeing
green
space
and
open
space.
I.
Don't
know
that,
that's
what
that
property
can
be
used
for,
but
I
think
we
need
to
save
it
for
the
future
and
decide
what
to
do
then,
because
you
only
own
so
much
land.
AB
If
somebody
else
wants
to
take
their
land
and
sell
it,
they
can,
but
the
city
should
hold
on
to
what
they
have
and
that
whole
walk
to
the
restaurant
thing.
I
think
I'm,
relatively
young
in
the
community
and
I,
can
tell
you.
We
live
in
that
area
and
I'm
in
my
car,
so
that
whole
walking
at
night
again
the
rainstorm
really
doesn't
work.
AB
J
W
H
U
I
H
Well,
it
doesn't
really
require
a
vote,
but
a
consensus
and
I
think
the
mayor
had
indicated
her
all
opinion
that
she
would
like
to
have
it
continued
so
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
vote
on
it
as
well.
So
it's
it's
really.
You
know
up
to
you
to
decide
how
you
want
to
handle
this
and
and
I
think
a
consensus
with
working.
If,
if
it's
a
tie,
then
I
think
since
you've
heard
from
the
mayor,
you
know
it's
not
a
vote
but
a
consensus,
then
that
would
carry
over
to
the
next
meeting.