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A
Mr.
special
Proclamation,
here
we
go
again
take
to
where,
as
city
government,
it's
the
government
closest
to
the
most
citizens
and
the
one
with
the
most
direct
daily
impact
upon
its
residents,
and
whereas
municipal
government
provides
services
and
programs
that
enhance
the
quality
of
life
for
residents,
making
their
city
their
home.
And
whereas
city
government
is
administered
forum
by
its
citizens
and
it's
dependent
upon
public
commitment
to
an
understanding
of
its
many
responsibilities.
A
And
whereas
city
government
officials
and
employees
share
the
responsibility
to
pass
along
the
understanding
of
public
services
and
their
benefits
and
whereas
Florida
City
Government
Week
offers
an
important
opportunity
for
elected
officials
and
city
staff
to
spread
the
word
to
all
citizens
that
they
can
shape
and
influence.
This
branch
of
government
and
whereas
the
Florida
League
of
Cities
and
its
member
cities
have
joined
together
to
teach
citizens
about
municipal
government
through
a
variety
of
activities.
A
Now,
therefore,
the
City
Council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
October
22nd
through
28
2018,
as
Florida
City
Government
week,
and
encourages
all
citizens,
city,
government
officials
and
employees
to
participate
in
events
that
recognize
and
celebrate
Florida
city
government
week
past
and
duly
adopted
in
regular
session.
The
17th
day
of
October
2018,
Rachele
Keesling
mayor
and
accepting
will
be.
B
So
this
is
our
annual
proclamation
and,
on
behalf
of
all
the
employees,
actually
the
whole
city
organization.
This
is
Florida
City,
Government
Week,
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
apropos
because
we
just
had
hurricane
Michael
and
you
what
you
don't
know
you
know
now.
Florida
has
a
history
going
all
the
way
back
to
Andrew
all
the
governments,
banding
together
and
a
great
emergency
response
system
throughout
the
state
to
help
others
that
are
in
need.
We
had
a
lot
of
help
after
Hurricane
Charley
Florida
is
a
as
a
state
as
kind
of
a
leader
in
this.
A
C
You
this
is
Chief
Pam,
Davis,
Punta,
Gorda,
Police,
Department
I,
just
wanted
to
say
thanks
to
City
Council
members,
for
allowing
us
to
recognize
some
of
our
volunteers
that
are
getting
the
milestone
Awards
today
and
before
I.
Bring
them
up.
I
want
to
give
everybody
a
quick
overview
of
the
volunteer
program.
First
of
all,
it's
the
best
I've
ever
seen
anywhere
so
very
proud
of
this.
This
program
there's
three
components:
we
have
our
reserve
officer
component,
which
is
certified
police
officers
that
volunteer
their
time
and
help
us
with
whatever
we
need.
C
Then
we
have
the
chaplain
program
which
the
chaplains
they
support
all
of
our
employees.
They
help
out
when
we
need
to
make
notifications
and
they
assist
our
citizens
when
there's
a
critical
incident,
and
then
we
have
our
volunteers
and
policing
program,
which
consists
of
the
volunteers
on
patrol
who
are
out
there,
checking
all
our
businesses
checking
our
homes
when
we're
away
and
checking
the
neighborhoods,
as
well
as
assisting
our
officers
with
just
about
everything
we
have
our
Marine
unit,
they're
out
there
patrolling
all
our
canals
and
waterways,
which
we
know.
C
We
have
a
lot
of
those
they're
rescuing
boaters
in
distress
and
they're,
helping
out
with
boater
safety,
education,
our
records
and
our
administrative
volunteers.
They
greet
our
customers
every
day.
They
do
our
fingerprinting.
They
do
all
these
administrative
tasks
that
help
keep
us
going
every
day
and
then
finally,
our
community
services
unit,
which
is
our
newest
addition
to
our
volunteer
program,
and
they
are
out
there
at
our
community
events
and
they
have
for
our
department
and
the
final
component
of
I'm.
C
Sorry
I
actually
already
hit
that
with
the
reserve
officers,
but
in
fiscal
year
2018
are
87
volunteers
put
in
11743
hours,
they
conducted
300,
3827,
directed
patrols,
navigated,
4,800,
40,
miles
of
our
waterways,
completed,
1556,
fingerprint
sets,
and
so
many
other
important
tasks.
So
I
want
to
bring
up
four
of
our
volunteers
that
we're
gonna
recognize
for
a
milestone
today,
come
on
up
guys
and
I
gave
you
kind
of
a
background,
so
you'd
put
in
perspective
and
right
on
up
there.
B
C
C
C
What
we
do
without
our
volunteers,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
years
of
service.
I
can't
even
imagine
the
amount
of
hours
you
put
in.
We
couldn't
do
without
you,
and
also
mr.
Denny,
Chrisman
and
all
of
our
volunteers
here
and
our
volunteer
coordinators.
Thank
you.
You
guys
keep
us
going.
We
appreciate
it.
A
D
A
B
D
A
G
Morning,
my
name
is
Paul
Sacco
lotto,
properly
pronounced
Paul's
such
a
lot.
Oh
I
am
I
signed
that
Karen
told
me
to
come
here
to
make
sure
that
you
all
knew
I
only
had
one
head
and
both
eyes,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
here
I've
told
Karen
that
I'd
be
willing
to
serve
on
either
code
enforcement,
the
canal
advisory
board
since
I
live
in
PGI
and
also
the
Planning
Commission,
so
I
provided
a
resume
abbreviated,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
anybody.
H
I
Hello,
my
name
is
ray
Dennison
I'm,
applying
for
the
canal
advisory
position
and
I
did
submit
an
application
some
time
ago,
but
I'd
like
to
add
just
as
a
summary
that
I
live
on
a
canal
in
PG
hi
and
my
seawall
was
recently
replaced
actually
in
June
because
of
damage
from
Hurricane
Emma
and
that
experience
of
having
my
canal
seawall
replaced
actually
was
very
positive
and
I
have
a
lot
to
say
about
that.
Actually,
mostly
positive,
particularly
about
my
interaction
with
the
city.
I
A
E
And
this
is
the
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
my
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida
amending
chapter
26,
article
8
section
8.3,
want
to
go
to
code
relating
to
exclusions
from
height
limits,
deleting
provisions
relating
to
a
waiver
from
height
limits,
adding
a
new
subsection
relating
to
height
limits
for
amateur
radio,
antenna,
support
structures
and
associated
antenna,
providing
for
permits
for
amateur
radio
antenna,
support
structures
provided
with
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
J
Ok
good
morning,
Lisa
Hannon
zoning
official
read
a
brief
summary.
The
current
code
allows
for
antennas
up
to
42
feet
in
height,
which
the
city
attorney
has
determined
is
inconsistent
with
the
FCC
regulations,
a
brief
timeline.
Regarding
the
this
amendment.
Coming
forward,
December
28
2009
staff
received
a
request
from
a
resident
inquiring
how
to
apply
for
a
height
waiver
for
an
aunt
Anna.
J
The
final
determination
was
that
the
City
Council
would
have
the
lawful
authority
to
grant
a
waiver
from
the
requirements
of
chapter
twenty
six
article,
eight
section,
eight
point:
three:
the
waiver
request
was
never
pursued
by
the
resident
December
2015
City
Council
meeting
staff
received
a
complaint
related
to
an
antenna
being
extended
above
the
permitted
height
at
all
times.
The
city
code
provides
an
option
to
obtain
a
waiver.
However,
there
was
no
established
process
application
or
fee
for
the
same,
adding
as
a
quasi-judicial
matter.
J
It
must
be
advertised
which
created
a
cost
staff
sought
direction
from
City
Council.
Regarding
establishing
such
process,
Council
requested
that
the
city
attorney
update
the
memorandum
from
2009
March
of
2016
staff,
drew
attention
to
the
City
Attorney's,
updated
legal
opinion
regarding
the
maximum
height
for
amateur
radio
towers,
antenna
dated
February
5th
2016
and
requested
direction
from
Council
on
establishing
a
waiver
for
waiver
process
for
antenna
height
in
June
2018.
The
draft
ordinance
was
repaired,
prepared
by
the
city
attorney
and
in
preparing
the
draft
ordinance.
J
The
city
attorney
took
into
consideration
comments
received
from
other
attorneys,
as
well
as
residents
who
are
ham,
radio
operators,
all
of
which
were
very
helpful.
The
draft
was
also
guided
by
information
prepared
by
the
National
Association
of
amateur
radio,
which
is
intended
to
assist
local
government
in
the
regulation
of
ham,
radio
antenna
structures.
Such
information
also
included
a
number
of
recommended
ordinances
from
Florida
and
around
the
country
to
be
used
as
guidance.
The
draft
was
also
independently
reviewed
and
considered
FCC
regulations,
rulings
and
case
law
on
the
subject
matter.
J
The
draft
ordinance
in
its
present
form
is
consistent
with
all
applicable
state
and
federal
laws.
The
current
code
states
in
part
that
the
limitations
do
not
apply
to
spires
belfry's,
cupola,
Santana's,
water
towers,
fire
towers,
ventilators,
chimneys
or
or
to
other
appurtenances,
usually
located
above
the
roofline
and
not
intended
for
human
occupancy,
provided
such
structures
do
not
exceed
the
height
limitations
by
20%.
J
The
City
Council
may
grant
a
waiver
to
these
limitations
for
the
applicant
can
demonstrate
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
City
Council
that
the
proposed
structure
will
not
unreasonably
restrict
the
free
flow
of
light,
sunlight
and
air
to
neighboring
properties,
nor
otherwise
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
and
welfare.
However,
currently
there
is
no
process
for
City
Council
to
grant
a
waiver.
J
After
reviewing
city
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
ordinance
with
the
following
amendment,
which
is
consistent
with
the
existing
city
codes
for
city
code
provisions
for
residential
neighborhoods
under
Section,
8.3,
parent
B,
parent
to
parent
B.
Every
antenna
and
amateur
radio
support
structures
shall
be
set
back
at
least
seven
and
one-half
feet
from
the
side,
property
line
and
20
feet
from
the
rear
property
line.
The
public
order,
Planning
Commission,
did
unanimously
recommend
denial
of
this
amendment.
E
The
the
FCC
regulations
provide
that
it's
a
limited
preemption.
In
other
words,
it's
not
a
complete
preemption
on
local
regulation,
but
it
does
give
us
some
limited
authority
and
and
that
limited
Authority
allows
us
to
adopt
local
land
use
regulations
which,
which
do
not
unduly
restrict
effective
amateur
radio
communications
beyond
the
minimal
practical
regulation
appropriate
to
accomplish
the
local
governments
legitimate
purpose.
What
that
means
is
that
you
have
to
take
into
consideration
what
height
is
necessary
for
the
equipment
to
work
properly
and
and
first,
our
limitation
of
maximum
limitation
of
approximately
42
feet.
E
I
was
advised
when
we
first
started
looking
into
this,
that
that
would
not
be
sufficient
to
allow
for
the
kind
of
operation
that
the
amateur
radio
operators
and
and-
and
so
the
next
step
was
okay.
Well,
then,
what
is
an
appropriate
maximum
limitation
and
that
required
and
sort
of
a
survey
of
what
other
governments
have
have
done
and
been
successful
in.
E
Fending
off
challenges,
and
there
is
no
one
uniform
number
that
is
accepted
across
the
board,
but
when
you
consider
all
of
the
different
inputs
that
we
received,
the
the
height
limitation
that
we
came
up
with
in
this
ordinance
of
70
feet
is
consistent
with
with
what
we
were
seeing
from
the
National
Organization
and
from
the
ordinances
around
the
country.
So
that's
where
that
number
comes
from
in
our
ordinance.
A
E
Me
also
say
our
waiver,
in
the
ordinance
that
currently
exists,
which
covers
not
just
amateur
radio
operators
but
other
structures
that
might
need
to
exceed
our
our
height.
There
is
a
process
that
will
remain
in
the
ordinance
for
a
waiver
I,
don't
know
that
we've
actually
had
to
deal
with
any
of
those
other
activities
before
and
if
it
ever
becomes
an
issue,
we'll
probably
need
to
put
into
some
sort
of
ordinance
what
that
waiver
process
consists
of,
but
that
was
not
as
of
immediate
concern
as
the
Amateur
Radio
process.
E
A
A
D
D
E
Also,
there
are
different
types
of
antenna:
I
professed
no
real
knowledge
about
the
subject
other
than
what
I've
learned
through
the
assistance
of
amateur
radio
operators
that
provided
that
input.
At
one
point
in
time
there
was
at
least
one
operator
that
was
represented
by
an
attorney
who
was
very
helpful
in
in
providing
information
to
the
National.
E
National
Association
of
amateur
radio
provides
a
lot
of
information
to
assist
local
governments
and
how
to
deal
with
the
FCC
regulations,
and
this
is
not
an
area
that
has
not
received
a
lot
of
attention.
It
indeed
has
received
a
lot
of
attention
across
the
country,
particularly
when
these
radio
antenna
are
to
be
located
within
residential
neighborhoods,
because
obviously
you
can
see
them
they're,
high
and
and
beauty
is
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder.
J
A
K
I,
just
as
we
have
this
discussion
and
I
think
I
just
want
to
be
clear
for
the
public
that
may
or
may
not
be
aware,
but
the
at
this
present
time
because
of
Hurricane
Michael
they
were
operating
prior
to
they
are
operating
at
the
present
time
they
were
operating
during
the
hurricane.
The
Salvation
Army
is
one
of
the
organizations
to
depends
on
them.
18
teen
Verizon's
were
down
for
an
extended
period
of
time,
etc.
K
So
they
do
and
we,
our
survivors
of
a
major
hurricane
within
many
of
our
memories,
number
of
people
may
not
have
been
here
so
I
think
that
we
and
I
have
the
sense
of
of
all
of
us,
but
I
can't
speak
because
we
haven't
voted,
but
I
have
a
sense
of
all
this
that
we
are
in
and
strong
empathy
to
allow
the
best
solution
for
our
our
community
to
allow
this
service.
That
is
done
by
volunteers,
and
we
are
a
community
of
volunteers
to
continue.
K
The
issue
that
I'm
hearing
is:
is
that
the
issue
of
the
setback
to
the
property
lines
etc?
To
the
antennas
so
I'd
like
to
kind
of
steer
the?
If
we
could?
Maybe
the
conversation
a
little
bit
to
that
way
to
because
I
think
on
these
other
issues,
it
sounds
to
me
that
we're
pretty
much
an
agreement,
yeah.
A
It's
not
it's
not
the
service
that
they're
providing
that
I
think
we're
trying
to
address
here.
It's
the
waiver
process,
the
way
the
ordinance
is
written.
Of
course
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
operate,
but
then
we
have
to
take
into
consideration
that
we've
had
at
least
one
complaint
and
the
fact
that
we
know
now
that
42
feet
is
not
adequate
for
their
operation.
I
think
we
need
to
address
that
Nancy.
L
You
know
for
us
to
get
one
complaint.
We
get
complaints
and
because
we
get
one,
you
know
doesn't
mean,
there's
a
problem.
It
means
we
may
have
an
issue
with
a
particular
resident
or
there
could
be
a
problem,
but
their
main-
and
in
this
case
it
almost
feels
like
as
I,
listened
to
the
conversation.
There's
more
of
there's
probably
more
to
this.
L
If
somebody's
getting
that
picky,
there's
probably
more
to
this-
and
somebody
is,
you
know
it's
in
a
neighborhood
where
somebody
is-
and
this
happens
where
somebody
has
complained
about
the
trash
pickup
Oh
somebody
put
a
bag
of
trash
out.
This
happened
a
couple
of
years
ago.
Somebody
put
a
bag
of
trash
out
instead
of
putting
their
trash
in
the
trash
can,
and
we
didn't
have
an
ordinance
that
allowed
them
to
put
a
trash.
So
the
neighbor
was
getting
it
back
at
the
at
the
other
neighbor
so
and
we
acted
on
that.
We.
A
M
A
K
Want
to
point
out
that,
in
a
testimony
regarding
the
setback
of
7
1/2
feet
that
it
was
pointed
out
that
4
feet
is
allowed
for
air
conditioners,
trash
containers,
pool
equipment,
etc.
Provided
that
there's
no
active
drainage,
easement
I
would
think
as
long
as
the
antenna
would
also
have
no
active
drainage
easement
that
maybe
we
could
comply
with
that
type
of
standard
rather
than
seven
and
a
half
feet
if
that
becomes
prohibited.
B
D
Just
said,
the
setback
of
seven
and
a
half
feet
is
not
adequate
because
that
you're
saying
that
the
antenna
has
to
be
on
the
house.
Thus
we
have
a
seven
and
a
half
foot
setback
in
PGI
and
BSI
and
we
have
a
20
foot
setback
in
the
backyard,
so
you're
saying
that
the
antenna
has
to
be
actually
on
the
wall
of
the
house
at
that
point
because
of
our
setbacks,
so
it
doesn't.
It's
not
realistic.
You've
got
overhangs,
you've
got
gutters.
D
A
J
A
Is
a
public
hearing?
Please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name.
You
have
three
minutes.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
on
z09,
one
eight
now
would
be
the
time
please,
if
you're
forming
a
line,
if
you
have
multiple
speakers,
make
your
way
to
the
podium
to
expedite
the
efficiency
of
the
meeting.
I
appreciate
that
my.
N
Name
is
David
Boleyn
I
live
at
7:12,
Alissa,
Drive
I'm,
one
of
the
two
towers
and
burns
to
our
aisles.
My
power
happens
to
be
fifty
feet.
The
whole
reason
I
purchased
property
in
Punta
Gorda.
Is
that
I
checked
back
in
1995?
It
tolls
this
was
a
ham
friendly
community
and
there's
basically
no
problems
with
antennas
or
towers
in
Punta
Gorda.
To
give
you
a
background,
I've
been
a
licensed
ham
for
57
years.
I've
been
active
in
the
military
affiliate
radio
system
for
only
54
years.
N
That's
I'm
certified
to
go
into
areas
of
disasters
by
the
federal
government
and
if
you
can
pass
a
DoD,
spec
you're
doing
fine.
But
the
main
thing
is
the
comment
that
if
the
Planning
Committee
says,
why
do
we
need
it?
Why
do
you
bring
it
up?
That's
one
of
the
main
questions
that
if
the
Planning
Committee
says
you
don't
need
to
pass
it
I,
don't
think
you
you
need
to
talk
about
it.
My
opinion.
N
The
setback
has
been
mentioned
a
number
times,
that's
ridiculous
because
it
isn't
going
to
work
like
you
said:
you'd
have
it
on
the
side
of
the
house.
Unless
you
have
a
weird-shaped
lot,
which
I
haven't
have
and
it
should
shouldn't
apply
to,
it-
should
apply
to
towers,
but
not
when
you
have
a
vertical
stick
and
things
like
this
I
think
that
should
all
into
slightly
different
regulation.
The
comment
is
made
on
crank
up
crank
down
towers.
I
have
a
crank
up
crank
down
tower,
that
is
for
maintenance
purposes,
not
for
everyday.
N
You
use
it,
and
the
comment
was
made
that
you
should
crank
it
down
every
day.
You
don't
use
it
well,
I
use
it
myrrh
I'm,
on
a
Mars
net,
twice
a
day
most
days,
doctors,
the
plane
was
getting
away
and
as
far
as
FCC's
certified
engineers
aren't
anything.
Fcc
does
not
certify
engineers.
When
I
got
my
tower,
I
had
a
packet
of
information
from
the
tower
manufacturer,
28
pages
of
it
that
listed
the
wind
loading
and
all
the
constructions
and
I.
Don't
think
you
need
that
kind
of
information.
N
Another
standing
thing
is
that
says:
the
tower
has
to
be
removed
within
30
days,
most
often
at
least
in
this
community.
The
reason
it
ham
won't
need
his
towers
because
he
died.
The
family
has
lots
of
things
to
do
other
than
worrying
about
getting
his
tower
down
in
the
first
30
days.
I.
If
you
get
the
tower
down
within
the
time,
you're
gonna
sell
a
house
I
think
that's
fine,
but
within
30
days
I'm,
not
sure
that
you
should
tell
somebody
your
dad
just
died.
You
got
to
get
the
tower
down
in
a
week.
N
I
mean
that's
somewhat
ridiculous.
They
might
tell
you
something
a
little
nastier
than
I
say
and
as
they
say,
if
we
really
need
an
ordinance
or
a
waiver,
then
we
should
get
a
waiver
permit.
When
I
built
my
house
in
2000,
we
bought
the
property
in
95,
5
stars
and
started
built.
The
house
I
said:
do
I
need
any
regulations
or
permits
for
the
tower
they
checked
and
said.
None
that
we
know
of
I
checked
with
the
local
Hamm
community
and
I
was
told
you
can
have
your
antenna
anyplace.
N
O
So,
there's
no
reason
for
me
to
repeat
everything,
but
we
do
every
licensed
amateur
radio
we're
not
unique
the
Dave
and
myself,
everyone
that
has
an
FCC
license
and
equipment
is
capable,
ready,
willing
and
able
to
assist
in
any
type
of
an
emergency,
whether
it's
an
international,
a
national
or
a
state,
and
so
it
I
just
appreciate
would
appreciate
a
waiver
process
that
is
simple
and
not
or
ordinance
and
and
and
letting
us
get
on.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
P
Good
morning,
I'm
Ron,
Farley,
kg4,
qiv
and
I've
been
here
before,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you
this
morning.
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
honoring.
This
of
the
code.
I
definitely
concur
with
what
everybody
else
says
home
won't
repeat
it.
Definitely
the
setbacks
are
a
big
issue.
I
brought
with
me
a
2
meter,
440
J
Pole.
That's
what
I
would
use
to
talk
on
in
a
local
area
of
emergency.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
pretty
light.
This
is
what
we
call
a
homebrew
antenna.
P
P
Don't
have
winds
of
wind
load
design,
so
I'd
have
to
submit
this
to
an
air
tunnel
to
have
it
wind
test
at
the
closest
one
on
nodes
in
Langley,
Virginia
I,
don't
know
what
that
would
cost
$1,000
$500
building
permit
and
then
have
to
have
a
peeve
evaluate
the
entire
thing
so
for
$41
antenna
I
would
probably
have
to
spend
I.
Don't
know
two
three
four
thousand
dollars
to
be
in
compliance.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
the
exact
numbers,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
200
bucks.
P
So
what
that
means
to
me,
as
a
citizen
you've
now
taken
my
ability
to
communicate
for
emergency
communications
and
support.
My
local
community
and
I
just
want
to
serve
my
community
and
yeah
love,
Punta,
Gorda
and
part
of
the
reason
I
moved
here
was
for
amateur
radio
and
sailing
and
I'm
kind
of
getting
older
and
have
no
heart
of
time
with
the
sailing,
so
I'm,
gonna
kind
of
like
mister
boland,
said
the
last
thing
you
know
pry
this
sub
J
Pole
from
my
dark
dead
hands
or
whatever.
P
And
whatever,
but
thank
you
for
coming
to
our
field
day,
two
of
our
guys
and
the
police
captain
he
came
by
so
you
can
actually
see
what
we
do
and
we
do
love
our
community.
So
I
just
say
this:
make
life
simple,
there's
kind
of
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
this
and
we
want
to
keep
the
community
safe.
So
that's
all
I
have
thank
you
and
I'll
be
around
if
you
have
questions
or
need
help.
Thank
you.
How.
P
We
just
did
a
test
this
weekend
on
two
meter,
440
and
Bob
speck
who's
sitting.
Here
was
chatting
with
me.
He
has
a
70
foot
tower
and
we
had
amateur
units
all
over
the
county
and
all
within
the
city.
Here
talking
on
stuff
and
I
still
don't
have
all
the
data,
but
Bob
had
said
he
could
hear
most
of
them
at
70
feet.
I
talked
to
Bob
Tom
Mancuso,
our
president.
P
He
was
going
to
be
here,
but
he's
wife
had
a
medical
procedure
this
morning
and
he's
got
a
tower
in
his
attic
which
I
do
antenna
and
he
wasn't
able
to
hear
half
the
communications.
So
that's.
What
what's
leading
us
to
believe
is.
We
need
to
be
at
60,
70
80
feet
with
VHF
and
uhf
I
teach
radios,
google
also
height
this
king,
so
the
higher
the
better
and
the
further
the
range
of
communication,
65
70
80
feet.
P
A
R
Way,
bradford
gamblin
na
t
oj
amateur
radio
operator
for
20
years
I've
seen
these
problems
that
crop
up
crop
up
before,
but
basically
this
is
a
problem
with
two
complaints,
one
in
2009
and
one
in
2015,
and
we
probably
have
50
people
here
that
are
saying
this
isn't
really
broken.
We
perhaps
could
do
some
fine-tuning
with
what
we
have
is
in
ordinance,
but
we
and
I'm
not
sure
we
need
an
ordinance.
Probably
this
could
be
handled
administrative
ly
with
creating
a
great
deal
of
problems.
R
The
Planning
Commission
did
unanimously
say
that
the
basically
that
that
this
is
not
broken,
we
don't
have
to
go
out
of
our
way
to
fix
something
and
create
a
lot
of
problems
for
our
community
of
amateurs.
The
service
they
provide
I
was
twenty
years
of
volunteer
firefighter
EMT
and
lieutenant
with
the
fire
department
in
Ohio,
and
we
depended
on
VHF
radio,
because
even
though
they
had
the
800
megahertz
system
of
the
fire
department
and
police
have
here
when
we
got
far
enough
away
and
the
towers
were
down
or
one
of
the
towers
was
down.
R
The
only
thing
that
worked
was
the
amateur
radio
and
it
got
us
out
of
a
lot
of
problems.
So
this
is
something
I
think
we
should
be
grateful
for
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
create
obstacles
for
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
seven
and
a
half
foot.
Seatback
setback
obviously
is
not
going
to
work.
It
just
isn't
going
to
work
because
it
essentially
puts
us
out
of
business
and
the
same
with
20
foot.
The
towers
assumption
that
the
towers
are
ugly
is
not
really
necessarily
true.
Most
of
the
time
they're
not.
R
You
look
at
the
questions
that
were
brought
up
here,
how
many
people?
Well?
How
many
do
we
have?
Well,
we
don't
really
know
the
reason
we
don't
know.
Is
they
aren't
that
obvious,
so
I
think
we
ought
to
bear
this
in
mind
and
not
make
a
mountain
out
of
a
molehill
here.
I
also
do
not
see
the
ordinance
printed,
so
I,
don't
really
know
I
assume
it's
the
one
that
the
Planning
Commission
said.
We
don't
really
need
that.
R
A
Q
Good
morning
my
name
is
David
Shaw,
okay
for
DES
and
I'm
a
resident
of
burnt
storehouse.
My
comments
are
going
to
be
a
little
different
there
couched
his
questions.
If
you've
read
the
entire
za
Oh
918,
do
you
believe
that
it
provides
quote
reasonable
accommodation
to
amateur
radio
operators,
as
required
by
FCC
PRB,
one
dated
September
19
1985
and
which
is
still
valid
today
and
specifically
states
local
regulations
which
involve
the
placement,
screening
or
height
of
antennas
based
on
health,
safety
or
aesthetic
considerations
must
be.
Q
Crafted
must
be
crafted
to
accommodate
reasonably
ammeter
communications
and
to
relinquish
the
minimum
practicable
practicable
regulation
to
accomplish
the
local
authorities
legitimate
purpose.
Do
you
know
that,
unlike
commercial
radio
stations
that
transmit
all
the
time,
Aminah
radio
operation
is
typically
85%
receiving
or
listening
and
only
15%
transmitting?
Q
Do
you
know
that
all
not
all
antenna
support
structures
at
towers
are
retractable
and
those
that
are
retractable
are
loaded
lowered
only
for
maintenance,
severe
weather
conditions
or
when
the
operator
is
away?
Do
you
also
know
that
trees
and
dock
pilings
are
often
used
as
support
structures
for
amateur
radio
antennas,
since
they
are
not
addressed
in
this
draft
ordinance?
How
are
they
to
be
treated?
Q
Do
you
realize
that
requiring
a
full
quote,
Florida
licensed
surveyor
imposes
prohibitive
costs
to
the
amateur
radio
operator,
and
it's
in
that's
unnecessary
when,
in
fact,
a
simple
plot
plan
showing
the
proposed
location
of
the
antenna
support
structure
would
be
adequate
also
in
the
area
of
ridiculous
requirements.
What
is
an
FCC
recognized
expert
in
the
field
of
radio
communications,
as
required
for
support
structure
Heights
over
70
feet?
Do
you
realize
there
is
no
such
entity,
which
clearly
illustrates
the
lack
of
understanding
of
amateur
radio
by
staff
in
the
city
attorney?
Q
Why
was
the
unanimous
recommendation
for
denial?
The
proposed
ordinance
totally
ignored
by
the
staff
in
the
city
attorney
and
their
zeal
to
approve
of
this
onerous
ordinance?
Have
you
forgotten
it's
AM
radio
provided
the
only
reliable
communications
after
Hurricane
Charley
as
it
does
today
with
hurricane
Michael?
Do
you
seriously
want
to
harm
that
asset
to
the
city?
Q
Are
you
aware
that
Charlotte
County
has
a
simple
amateur
radio
antenna,
ordinance
waiver
process
that
applies
to
dwellings
and
canals
similar
to
PGI
and
BSI
known
as
chapter
3.9,
article
3
special
regs,
section
3
968
communication
towers
exempt
to
mute
telecommunications
facilities?
One
the
following
telecommunications
facilities
are
exempt
from
the
provisions
of
this
section,
provided
they
do
not
exceed
50
feet
in
height
or
the
maximum
height
allowed
to
the
zoning
district.
Whichever
is
greater
amateur
radio
antennas
and
towers?
Why
would
City
Council
approve
this
fatally
flawed
ordinance,
which
is
full
of
owners?
Q
A
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Good
morning,
the
proposed
punta
gorda
ordinance
has
oh,
my
name
is
steve
solely
sol
e
wing.
The
proposed
punta
gorda
ordinance
is
flawed.
It
discriminates
against
a
minority.
It
singles
out
only
one
class
of
individuals
who
erect
towers
amateur
radio
operators.
It
does
not
look
at
other
erectors
and
users
of
towers
incomplete.
F
The
other
major
flaw
is
incomplete
and
an
inadequate
definition
of
an
amateur
radio
tower
similar
towers
can
be
used
by
different
classes
of
individuals
for
different
purposes,
for
example,
TV,
reception,
shortwave,
listening,
FM,
radio
reception,
CB,
radio
citizens,
band
flagpoles,
decorative
end
or
security
lighting,
etc.
It
is
very
difficult,
if
not
impossible,
to
differentiate
an
amateur
radio
antenna
from
any
other
type
of
antenna
which
may
be
mounted
on
a
tower.
How
does
the
government
entity
accurately
define
identify
and
regulate
something
like
a
tower
that
has
a
multiplicity
of
shapes
sizes
and
uses?
F
Amateur
radio
operators
are
required
to
complete
many
hours
of
study
and
testing
to
become
a
Federal
Communications
Commission's
licensed
operator.
They
are
a
benevolent
national
resource
that
performs
emergency
radio
communications
during
and
after
hurricanes
and
other
disasters.
When
normal
communication
links
are
destroyed,
just
like
happened
here
this
morning,
Electronics
does
have
problems.
F
Ok
again
back
to
amateur
radio
operators,
they
are
a
benevolent
national
resource
that
performs
ok.
They
should
never
be
confused.
What
CB,
radio
operators,
citizens
band
radio
operators
who
are
essentially
untrained
and
unregulated
shortly
after
hurricanes,
flattened
Puerto
Rico?
Last
year,
the
American
Red
Cross
asked
450
amateur
radio
volunteers
to
provide
emergency
communications
within
hours.
The
call
was
met
and
many
volunteers
worked
for
months
in
Puerto,
Rico
and
very
difficult
circumstances.
F
The
amateurs
code
item
6
states,
the
amateur
is
patriotic.
His
knowledge
and
his
station
are
always
ready
for
the
service
of
his
country
in
his
community.
We
ask
that
the
City
Council
approve
and
adopt
the
Planning
Commission's
recommendation
to
deny
the
ordinance
request
said.
The
ordinance
would
impair
and
penalize
the
amateur
radio
community
that
stands
at
the
ready
to
serve
the
citizens
of
Punta
Gorda.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
B
A
B
Are
required
once
we
advertise
an
ordinance,
it
goes
to
the
Planning
Commission
after
the
Planning
Commission
makes
a
recommendation.
It
then
goes
to
City
Council.
We
cannot.
We
cannot
stop
an
ordinance
from
coming
in
front
of
City
Council
once
the
Planning
Commission
makes
a
recommendation.
That
is
the
process.
The
process
is.
The
Planning
Commission
here
is
at
first
makes
a
recommendation.
Then
it
goes
in
front
of
this
body
and
you've
already
heard
what
this
body
is
saying,
and
that
is
the
process.
E
E
We
request.
We
received
a
request
back
in
the
4th
2009
2009
by
by
a
amateur
radio
operator
who
wanted
to
exceed
the
limits
that
are
in
our
that
apply
to
not
just
amateur
radio
antenna
but
TV
antenna
and
CB
antenna
and
Koopas
and
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things,
and
it
was
our
intent
to
be
able
to
facilitate
that
amateur
radio
operator
to
put
in
the
antenna
that
would
serve
its
purposes.
E
Unfortunately,
our
code,
as
it
was
written
at
that
time
and
remains
written,
does
not
would
not
allow
for
you
to
automatically
be
able
to
build
the
antenna
that
you
need
to
have
to
service
your
area.
There
was
an
unspecified
waiver
process
which
I
don't
know
how
long
that
process
has
been
on
the
books,
but
is
one
that
does
not
meet
current
law
in
general
with
respect
to
discretionary
actions
by
in
a
quasi-judicial
fashion
by
the
City
Council.
E
In
other
words,
you
can't
just
ask
the
City
Council
for
a
waiver
of
a
provision
of
the
ordinance
based
on
whatever
whim
that
they
might
have
at
that.
At
that
time,
variance
processes
are
required
to
have
all
kinds
of
criteria
that
need
to
be
satisfied
before
the
City
Council
can
grant
a
variance
from
a
provision
in
the
code.
E
Clearly,
it
was
not
our
intention
to
to
equate
the
waiver
that
was
suggested
in
the
code
as
it
existed
and,
as
the
president
exists,
to
go
through
a
whole
list
of
criteria
that
would
be
necessary
in
onerous
criteria
before
the
City
Council
can
grant
approval
for
an
antenna.
So
we
decided
that
it
would
be
appropriate
first
to
find
out
from
the
regulated
community
what
would
be
necessary
to
address
the
provisions
of
the
federal
law
that
are
intended
to
facilitate
your
operations.
I
profess
right
from
the
start
that
I'm
not
an
expert
on
this
stuff.
E
What
I
reached
out
to
was
the
community
but
to
provide
me
with
education,
I
consulted
with
the
the
by
way
of
addressing
their
website
and
learning
from
what
they
had
to
say,
the
National
Organization
we
received
input,
and
so
our
intention
was
to
fix
what
is
right
now
a
broken
process.
This
ordinance,
the
ordinance
is
as
it
presently
exists,
is
broken.
If
you
want
us
to
take
the
the
action
that
you
are
seeking
and
the
one
apparently
that
the
Planning
Commission
recommended
recommended,
we
would
we
would
do
nothing.
E
E
If
70
feet
is
not
appropriate
for
this
area
and
you
think
80
feet
is
it's
a
simple
matter
to
have
the
ordinance
modified
before
it's
finally
adopted
to
have
a
maximum
height
of
80
feet,
and
hopefully
that
will
solve
anyone's
concerns.
As
I
heard,
one
of
the
one
of
the
speakers,
their
height,
their
their
antenna,
is
only
50
feet.
E
Well,
that
would
automatically
qualify
for
approval
without
having
to
go
through
any
type
of
waiver
process,
variance
process
or
whatever
to
exceed
the
the
ordinance
says
at
present,
as
it
exists
currently
with
respect
to
the
attractable
or
antenna
that
that
is
a
provision
in
the
code.
That
would
say
if
you
cannot
meet
the
height,
the
maximum
height.
That's
been
provided
by
right
and,
as
it's
presently
drafted,
it's
70
feet
and
you
need
to
have
a
antenna
higher
than
70
feet.
Well,
you
can
get
that
by
having
a
retractable
antenna.
E
Hopefully,
whatever
height
we
established
in
this
ordinance
would
be
sufficient
to
meet
everyone's
needs
to
be
able
to
adequately
serve
our
area.
In
my
survey
of
of
ordinances
around
the
country,
you
know
I've
found
depending
upon
you
know
where
they're
located
a
higher
antenna
might
have
been
necessary.
For
example,
there
was
one
jurisdiction
that
had
I
think
allowed
up
to
a
hundred
feet
by
right,
and
that
was
that
was
a
function
of
where
that
antenna
was
located
if
80
feet
or
seventy
feet
is
appropriate.
Here.
E
That's
what
we
should
that's,
what
we
should
adopt
the
ordinance
and
that
this
ordinance
is
intended
to
meet
what
the
federal
requirements
are.
There
was
the
the
county's
ordinance
was
just
cited.
I
assure
you
that
if
there
was
a
challenge
of
the
of
the
compliance
of
the
county's
ordinance
with
the
federal
law,
the
county's
ordinance
would
be
stricken
as
being
inconsistent
with
requirements
of
the
federal
law.
This
ordinance
was
drafted
in
mind
not
to
penalize
amateur
radio
operators
but
to
facilitate
their
operation
and
recognition
of
the
service
that
they
provide.
E
The
some
of
the
in,
let
me
say,
the
the
requirement
for
for
the
structure
to
be
to
be
certified
by
a
FCC
licensed
engineer.
I
did
not
make
that
up.
That
was
something
that
was
either
cut.
That
came
from
another
ordinance
that
came
from
the
Association.
If
that's
inappropriate
language,
that's
why
we
have
a
public
hearing
to
try
to
educate
us
as
to
where
we've
gone
wrong,
but
bear
in
mind.
The
idea
here
is
to
allow
for
a
struck
an
antenna
that
serves
your
purpose.
E
There
are
other
considerations
that
you
must
recognize
and
that
is
of
safety.
The
ordinance
provides
that
and
requires
I,
don't
know
whether
it's
possible
I'm,
just
following
what
the
recommendations
of
the
Association
and
other
jurisdictions
were,
that
the
antenna
be
designed
that
it
collapse
upon
itself
in
a
storm.
E
I,
don't
know,
I
can't
tell
you
whether
that's
feasible
or
not,
I'm,
hoping
that
you
can
tell
me
whether
it's
feasible
or
not,
but
that's
the
idea
so
that,
if
there's
going
to
be
damage
as
a
result
of
this
very
high
structure,
it
will
be
contained
upon
the
property
where
the
structure
is
located
and
doesn't
fall
onto
adjacent
properties
to
cause
damage
to
those
adjacent
properties.
The
setback
is
request
is
intended
for
that
purpose
as
well.
E
There's
no
way
that
that,
if
you
set
back
a
structure,
you
know
seven
feet
or
ten
feet
or
even
twenty
feet
that
from
it
that
that
the
additional
footage
it
from
the
side
yard
is
going
to
be
any
less
of
a
of
an
aesthetic
issue
for
the
neighbors.
So
that's
not
the
setbacks,
not
for
aesthetics.
The
setback
is
for
safety,
I,
don't
know
how
close
to
a
side
yard.
You
can
construct
an
antenna
of
70
or
80
feet.
E
Whatever
you
consul
decides,
so
that
if
it
falls
even
upon
itself
when,
if
whether
it
can
fall
within
an
area
of
7
feet,
I
I
don't
know,
but
that's
what
the
prom
thats.
Why
there's
a
setback
provided
for
here
and
so
again
the
I'm?
Sorry,
if
the
perception
is
that
this
ownerĂs
ordinance
is,
is
trying
to
restrict
amateur
radio
operators.
E
It
was
the
the
the
intention,
frankly,
is
just
the
opposite,
because
we
found
when,
when
the
question
was
first
posed
to
us
in
2009,
that
our
ordinance
wasn't
adequate
to
meet
your
needs
and
we
needed
to
make
sure
that
our
ordinance
was
consistent
with
the
FCC,
so
that
somebody
wouldn't
challenge
us
for
giving
you
the
opportunity
to
to
operate
and
and
be
violative
of
federal
law.
So
I
appreciate
the
input
and,
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
tweaking
this
ordinance,
you
know
this
is
the
time
to
do
it.
E
And
and
but
the
idea
is
to
single
you
out.
I
shouldn't
use
this
language
because
somebody
who's
not
good
at
having
the
benefit
of
this
ordinance,
like
somebody
with
a
TV
antenna
that
wants
to
put
up
80
feet
right
now.
They
can't
do
that,
but
we're
trying
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
you
to
do
that
because
of
the
service
that
you
provide.
That's
all
I
have
thank.
A
Only
there's
no
process,
there's
no
there's
no
criteria,
there's
no
way
to
really
even
go
forth
with
that.
So
clearly,
we
have
an
issue
here.
I
think
what
I've
heard
with
some
of
the
language,
the
detailed
language
that
you
took
your
time
to
really
detail
in
this
ordinance
would
be
the
survey
having
to
get
a
surveyor
for
the
site
plan.
Is
that
something
we
could
live
without?
We.
E
A
A
E
E
But
if
a
if,
for
example,
an
80-foot
antenna
would
work
and
serve
the
local
needs,
but
to
put
a
hundred
and
fifty
foot
antenna
in
order
to
justify
that
much
deviation
from
what
would
be
locally
acceptable.
The
the
ordinance
provides
at
the
recommendation
of
the
National
Agency
Association
that
there
be
an
expert
to
explain
why
that
antenna
needs
to
exceed
the
maximum
height
by
right.
E
In
that
particular
location,
we're
not
in
and
that's
the
whole
thing
about
this
process
is:
if
we're
gonna
make
a
decision,
it
needs
to
be
made
by
it
based
on
facts,
and
it
works
both
ways.
You're
entitled
to
have
a
decision
that
is
based
on
credible
competence,
substantial
evidence
and
and
the
City
Council
can't
just
simply
arbitrary
did
not
arbitrarily
deny
you,
because
they
don't
like
the
way
it.
It
looks,
feels
or
sounds
so
with
the
requirement
for
an
expert
to
come
in
to
justify
it.
E
It
gives
the
City
Council
adequate,
factual
basis
to
make
a
decision,
because
clearly
the
neighbor
is
going
to
come
in
and
complain
about
the
height
of
the
antenna,
and
we
can't
just
say
well
you're
right.
We
don't
like
the
height
of
the
antenna,
either
you're
denied,
because
I
mean
the
applicant
would
be
denied
because
that
would
run
afoul
of
the
FCC
regulations.
So
we
need
to
be
advised.
E
The
City
Council
needs
to
be
advised
when
it
goes
beyond
what
you'd
be
entitled
to
have
by
right
as
to
how
to
make
that
decision
as
to
whether
that
request
is
consistent
with
requirements
of
the
FCC
or
not
consistent
with
the
requirements.
The
FCC
and
I
assure
you,
as
best
as
I,
can
assure
you
that
I
have
read
all
of
the
FCC
guidance.
A
M
M
M
Personally
still
maintain
my
certification,
that's
provided
radio
telephone
license,
testing
and
so
I
personally
feel.
This
is
essential
for
our
public
safety
infrastructure
and
I
think
anything
that's
gonna
obstruct
this
is
problematic.
Iii
would
say
that,
let's
say
if
we
said
eighty
or
hundred
feet
after
that,
then
maybe
we'll
require
all
these
other
things,
but
I
think
outside
of
our
current
operations.
A
If
we
did
that,
if
we
raise
the
height
and
we
got
struck
the
language
about
the
waiver
process,
then
nothing
else
would
be
allowed
correct.
We
just
said
maximum
feed
of
eighty
maximum
height
of
80
feet
and
got
rid
of
the
the
City
Council
may
grant
a
waiver
to
these
limitations.
If
we
got
rid
of
that
and
we
just
increased
the
height,
then
anything
over
that
would
not
be
allowed
and
there
would
be
no
process
to
come
and
apply
for
anything
higher
than
whatever.
The
number
is
that
we
would
decide
on.
Certainly
certainly.
E
You
can
amend
the
existing
ordinance
that
changes
the
restriction
as
it
applies
to
amateur
radio
antenna
from
what
would
be
the
effectively
the
42
feet,
7800,
whatever,
whatever
you
want
to
do,
and
that's
the
only
amendment
we'll
strike
the
language
about
the
waiver,
the
waiver,
and
so
all
the
other
activities
that
are
currently
in
that
ordinance
would
remain
prohibited
without
any
waiver
and
the
only
way
they
could
get
above
that
would
be
go
through
the
variance
process.
That's
fine!
E
You
could
you
could
do
that
when
you
strike
all
this
strike,
all
the
other
stuff
out
of
this
ordinance,
which
is
certainly
your
prerogative
you're,
taking
out
all
those
things
that
are
intended
to
protect
the
neighboring
properties
from
what
could
happen
when
you've
got
this
big
structure
that
falls
down
upon
the
neighbor's
property,
and
you
can
do
that
too.
You
know
we.
This
is
considered
to
be
a
police
regulation
police,
not
in
the
you
know
the
the
blueline
way,
but
but
our
regulations
to
protect
health,
safety
and
welfare.