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From YouTube: City of Punta Gorda City Council 10-19-16 Part 2
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A
Morning,
I'm
Nancy
couple
I'm
here
representing
my
husband,
James
and
myself.
We
live
on
san
mateo
drive
in
punta
gorda
isles,
we've
been
residents
and
taxpayers
for
seven
years,
I
mean
we.
We
looked
all
over
Florida
in
the
southern
states
and
we
finally
found
Punta
Gorda.
We
love
it
as
it
is
I
don't
want
to
see
it.
Overbuilt
I
mean
we
looked
at
many
places
like
Fort
Myers.
A
We
just
couldn't
live
in
a
place
like
that,
the
green
space,
the
lack
of
overcrowding
that
we
have
here-
that's
what's
drawn
all
of
us
to
this
city,
and
we
don't
want
to
change
it.
It's
not
that
we're
not
for
development.
Of
course
we
are,
and
we
understand
all
of
the
businesses
in
the
city
they
need
to
have
patrons
year-round,
but
I
believe
we
all
do
that.
A
As
someone
said
a
little
bit
earlier,
I
mean
many
of
us
are
retiring,
and
you
know
we
went
from
two
months
being
down
here,
we're
now
eight
or
nine
months
down
here
and
I.
Think
more
people
are
doing
that
and
spending
our
money
here.
But
if
we
start
overcrowding,
areas
like
this
Henry
Street
area
and
we're
not
going
to
stay,
we're
not
going
to
be
happy
and
I,
don't
think
you're
going
to
get
as
many
people
like
us
here.
So
please
do
reconsider.
Thank
you.
B
Good
morning,
I'm
Tom
Hamilton
PGI.
The
council
is
we're
well
aware
of
the
city's
need
for
increased
commercial
tax
paying
entities
in
the
city.
We
have
well
we're
well
over
200
commercial
properties
to
sell
primarily
in
the
downtown
area.
The
current
proposal
for
West
Henry
property
is
to
place
50
residential
cottages
on
10
acre
parcel
at
a
price
of
around
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
range.
It
would
be
a
mistake
to
sell
the
property
for
this
purpose.
The
10-acre
property
is
positioned
perfectly
for
mixed
income.
Workforce
housing.
B
B
This
housing
is
for
young
families
who
will
live,
work
and
shop
in
our
community
due
to
its
proximity
to
parks,
bicycle
paths,
downtown
amenities
and
grocery
stores.
Families
could
live
in
the
development
and
not
even
have
to
have
a
car.
Last
week,
team
Punta
Gorda
presented
a
seminar
on
affordable
and
workforce
housing.
They
plan
to
move
this,
follow
this
up
by
kicking
off
a
project
to
support
the
development
of
more
mixed
income
housing
in
the
community.
The
Henry
Street
property
may
end
up
being
an
important
component
to
help
solve
our
mixed
income.
B
C
For
the
record,
Gary
Bain
with
southwest
engineering
and
design
I
rarely
speak
at
public
meetings,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
more
history
on
the
property
back
in
2008
2007
2008,
going
on
the
city
with
the
city
manager
said.
At
the
last
meeting
we
were
representing
the
the
owner
Southwest
land
developers.
Looking
at
doing
a
downtown
celebration
idea,
once
we
actually
put
pen
to
paper
to
this
and
looked
at
the
commercial
is
about
200,000
square
feet
of
commercial
200
units
of
multifamily
we're
going
to
go
in
there.
C
We
just
could
not
make
the
project
work
didn't
have
enough
parking
roads
needed
to
be
improved.
That
type
of
development
will
never
happen
on
that
property.
There's
not
enough.
Rooftop
support
commercial
development,
so
commercial
is
definitely
out
for
this
piece
of
property.
Again
coming
through
the
last
couple
years,
Southwest
land
developers
had
first
read
refuser
on
the
property
for
five
years.
We
just
couldn't
make
anything
work
on
the
property,
so
we
let
our
contract
expired
and
the
city
has
came
out
with
an
RFP
to
dispose
of
the
property
again
I
with
PGI
homes.
C
We
looked
at
low
density
residential,
you
know
what,
when
we
ran
the
numbers
and
the
plan
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
just
a
sketch:
it's
not
even
a
concept
plan.
It
was
just
something
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
bubble
plan
and
to
put
dimensions
to
a
bubble
plan.
I
I,
don't
know
what
they
were
thinking,
but
it's
just
a
sketch.
We
will
all
I'm
asking
for
is
to
give
us
a
shot
to
come
up
with
a
real
concept
plan.
For
you
guys
to
see
what
we
can
do.
C
One
of
the
things
I
also
represent
the
clients
that
own
city
marketplace
the
reason
city
marketplaces
and
someone
is
rooftops.
We
don't
have
enough.
Rooftop
support
the
commercial
development.
I
know
54
homes,
40
homes,
54
homes,
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
but
it's
a
start.
It
really
is
a
start.
We're
talking
about
10
homes
a
year
for
four
to
five
years.
That's
it
it's
not
a
big
deal.
Thank
you.
D
Hi
I
agree
with
everybody
their
name.
My
name
is
sue.
Carmen
and
I
live
in
district,
1
and
I
agree
with
everyone.
That's
opposed
in
the
newspaper
under
Howard's
weekly
thing,
it
says:
City
Council
is
going
to
meet
October
19th
to
decide
to
enter
into
negotiations
with
a
developer
for
single-family
homes,
on
the
site
of
retain
or
retain
the
site
as
open
space
and
I.
Don't
know
that.
That's
really
what
you're
doing
it's
not
necessarily
being
retained
for
open
space.
It
might
be
a
band
shelter,
it
might
be
whatever
it
is
right
now.
D
All
it
is
is
costing
us
a
lawnmower
to
go
up
and
down
and
keep
it
nice
and
flat.
That's
not
a
lot
of
money
to
hold
on
to
and
see
what
we
need
in
the
future.
There's
no
like
rushed
to
do
this,
just
because
somebody's
willing
to
pay
some
money
and
he
makes
beautiful
homes.
I
agree,
I
don't
know
squashing
them
all
together,
like
that's
going
to
be
a
nice
idea,
but
I'm
not
arguing
that
he
makes
nice
homes,
but
he
wouldn't
want
it
so
bad
unless
it
was
a
pretty
good
deal
on
his
end.
E
Dorsey
hall,
ear
rounder
punta
gorda.
I
know
you've
seen
me
before
us.
A
lot
of
us
have
been
here
the
third
time
and
we
just
I
just
want
to
say
one
more
time
that
once
it's
gone,
it's
gone.
We
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do
and
it's
a
hard
decision,
but
we
can't
get
it
back
and
it's
a
beautiful
property
that
we
can
use
for
the
community,
not
as
a
development.
I
know
we
have
to
have
rooftops,
but
certainly
not
in
that
city-owned
property.
Thank
you.
F
Hi
rahna
james
from
punta
gorda.
Well,
I
heard
a
few
things
that
were
what
that
was
a
little
alarming.
This
is
supposed
to
be
a
complex
like
the
one
on
Airport
Road
have
any
of
you
been
down
there.
It's
like
a
mano
lithic
atrocity.
It
is
the
ugliest
thing
I've
ever
seen,
not
to
mention
that
I
think
it
also,
though
I'm
not
certain
about
this,
has
a
purpose
for
a
single
demographic,
I.
Think
anytime
you're,
considering
building
something
to
that.
It's
targeted
for
one
particular
group
is
never
a
very
wise
idea.
F
Coming,
isn't
Fisherman's
Village
one
of
our
very
main
attractions
people
come
from
all
over
to
see
that
the
business
owners
in
that
establishment
are
delighted
to
be
there
whether
the
business
is
down
a
little
bit
or
or
tremendously
up
I
think
she
had
a
really
lame
excuse
and
I.
Don't
think
that
you
should
take
that
into
consideration.
G
On
Bimini
Lane
about
two
blocks
from
the
proposed
project,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
I
would
just
like
to
echo
the
sentiment
of
the
previous
speakers.
I
am
against
the
development
of
the
Henry
Street
property
for
residential
use.
I.
Think
we
really
don't
know
what
we
might
want
that
property
for
I
am
in
agreement
that
once
we
develop
it,
we
can't
take
it
back.
G
I
will
share
with
you
a
little
story:
I
used
to
belong
to
a
country
club
in
suburban
Philadelphia,
one
of
the
first
country
clubs
in
the
United
States.
At
the
time
it
was
built,
it
also
had
a
shooting
range.
The
property
that
it
was
on
was
surrounded
by
beautiful
green
space,
but
over
the
years
developers
came
in
and
developed
that
green
space
into
housing
and
a
lot
of
the
housing
was
right
next
to
the
shooting
range.
G
When
people
realized
that
every
Saturday
and
Sunday
there
were
shot
guns
going
off
continuously
for
about
four
hours.
The
legal
action
started,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars,
and
perhaps
even
millions
of
dollars
in
legal
fees,
were
accrued
on
both
sides
of
the
argument
because
of
this
shooting
range
I
have
a
feeling
that
we
might
be
going
down
that
road
with
the
sewage
treatment
plant
if
we
put
houses
there.
So
we
might
think
about
that
because
everybody
in
this
room
is
going
to
have
to
pay
for
those
legal
fees.
G
Once
we
put
the
development
there
and
then
the
people
get
tired
of
smelling
the
sewage
treatment
plant.
If,
if
we
need
more
taxes,
I
would
also
echo
the
sentiments
of
the
people
who
spoke
before
me.
Give
me
put
another
20
bucks
on
my
tax
bill
and
also
I
just.
I
just
really
think
that
we
don't
know
what
we
want
to
do
with
this
property
at
this
time
and
that
we
should
save
it,
and
I
believe
that
it
will.
I
Good
morning
my
name
is
sharon
dyke
and
I
live
on
via
tunas
and
PGI.
We
moved
here
10
years
ago
with
snowbirds.
We
bought
in
clipper,
cove
village,
and
we
loved
it
here.
But
my
husband
and
I
are
both
educators
and
we
only
were
able
to
come
in
the
summer.
So
we
rented
out
our
beautiful
place
during
the
rest
of
the
year
and
we
were
coming
in
the
summer,
which
is
probably
the
worst
time
to
come
down
here,
but
we
loved
it.
I
Everyone
knows
at
least
everyone's
dog's
name,
but
we
know
everybody's
name
too
and,
as
a
teacher
I've
been
able
to
meet
other
teachers
and
get
them
involved
in
community
projects.
By
going
there,
including
my
book
club,
that's
with
Delta
Kappa
Gamma
that
has
the
fashion
show
and
we've
gotten.
Every
year
we've
brought
in
people
from
the
dog
park,
who
are
teachers
to
join,
or
even
just
to
go
to
the
Fashion
Show
to
support
scholarships
and
Charlotte
County.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
I
agree
with
what
most
of
the
people
say
here.
J
When
I
came
to
Punta
Gorda,
it
was
obvious
after
scouting,
just
about
every
major
city
and
small
cities
in
Florida,
for
a
good
place
to
live
punta
gorda
has
something
special,
no
ifs,
ands
or
buts.
I
bought
a
house
I
looked
upon
it
in
two
different
ways:
a
place
to
live
and
a
place
for
an
investment
I
do
not
want
to
see
my
investment
decreased
by
actions
that
I
believe
are
totally
unnecessary.
J
At
first
I
was
opposed
to
this
endeavor
I
am
no
longer
a
pose.
I'm
now
overwhelmingly
opposed
I
bring
a
different
perspective.
I
am
a
developer.
I've
been
developing
for
50
years
shopping,
centers,
hospitals,
nursing
homes,
assisted
living.
This
proposed
project
were
punta
gorda
and
the
spot.
The
location
it's
in
is
totally
out
of
character
for
Punta,
Gorda
and
totally
out
of
character
from
every
different
aspect,
and
I
am
dismayed
that
this
project
has
gotten
this
far
and
has
some
support
coming
from
this
council.
J
K
My
name
is
Lauren
Ben
and
I
live
in
punta
gorda
isles,
I
beta
residence,
since
the
day
before
the
Deepwater
Horizon
blew
up,
and
we
came
to
Punta
Gorda
for
the
same
reason
that
a
lot
of
people
did
we
liked
it.
It
wasn't
too
crowded.
We
saw
potential
for
the
future
before
I,
go
any
further
I'd
like
to
also
apologize
to
all
the
City
Council
members,
all
I,
think
our
members
or
residents
of
Punta
Gorda
for
the
people.
That
said
that
this
is
not
their
property.
K
It's
our
property,
I
think
you're,
all
elected
officials
that
we
all
elected
it.
There
was
an
election
and
these
people
were
duly
elected.
They
were
duly
elected
to
be
our
representatives
to
act
in
our
best
interest
and
I.
Think
that
shame
that
any
person
here
that
came
up
and
lamb
basted
them
for
making
decisions
should
be
ashamed
of
themselves.
H
K
I'm
in
favor
of
this
project,
I,
don't
think
that
anybody
has
a
crystal
ball.
That
knows
what
is
going
to
happen
20
years
from
now
or
30
years,
from
now
or
26
years
from
now,
but
I
do
know
that
the
count
runs
deficit
every
year,
whether
it's
a
million
dollars,
two
million
dollars
and
a
project
like
this.
It's
not
the
answer,
but
it's
a
finger
in
the
dike
till
something
comes
along
and
nobody
said
anything
regarding
the
dog
park.
K
People
came
here:
they
love
the
dog
park,
I,
don't
have
a
dog
momentarily,
but
I
may
some
day
and
there's
going
to
be
a
dog
park
here,
whether
it's
there
or
next
door.
On
the
other
side,
I,
don't
think
the
town
is
talking
about
moving
the
waste
treatment
facility,
but
I
do
know
that
a
house
was
just
recently
built
right
across
the
street
from
it
and
it
was
sold
for
650
thousand
dollars.
So
maybe
the
developer
is
underpricing.
These
models
that
he
wants
to
put
up.
H
L
My
name
is
Robin
Adair
I
live
here
in
PG
I
and
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I
got
so
excited
just
because
of
my
personality
about
loving
the
community
and
loving
how
much
the
wonderful
people
are
here.
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
being
nice
polite
when
I
say
you
all
the
council
to
listen
to
these
fine
people
in
their
concerns,
54
houses
or
50
houses
or
35
house
is
not
going
to
make
that
big,
an
impact.
L
It's
not
going
to
change
that
big,
a
deal
when
you
just
some
ladies
started
earlier,
and
she
says
if
you're
against
it,
please
come
up
and
say
something
well
yeah.
You
know
I
want
to
keep
the
green
space.
There's
no
question
about
that
and
I
got
so
wound
up
when
I
was
here
two
weeks
ago,
because
I
could
see
myself
on
YouTube
now
when
I
think
I
did
a
lousy
job.
I
think
I
did
pretty
good
once
looked
at
it,
but
my
biggest
concern
is
there's
no
question.
We
all
know
we
need
money.
L
It
is
a
money
issue.
We
talked
about
that.
The
big
thing
is,
my
biggest
concern
is
green
space
and
the
other
thing
is
my
multi.
Big
concern
is
the
downtown
marketplace.
I
know
the
city
doesn't
own
it,
but
my
gosh
how
many
years
has
been
since
we
had
a
tornado.
That's
where,
were
you
all
be
putting
interesting?
That's
what
would
bring
in
some
money.
Thank
you.
M
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Susan
raw
and
we
built
a
home
in
Punta
Gorda
three
years
ago.
The
reason
we
purchased
this
home
was
for
the
green
space,
the
dog
park,
the
beautiful
quaintness
of
punta
gorda,
but
the
bottom
line
is
when
it
came
to
this
project.
I,
don't
understand
the
logic
of
building
cottages
for
400
to
450
thousand
dollars
when
there's
residential
areas,
there's
lots
in
Punta
Gorda
that
you
can
build
on
for
a
lot
less
than
a
cottage.
N
O
O
I
am
opposed
to
the
project
because
of
all
the
traffic
that
we
currently
have
in
the
downtown
area
and
it
becomes
specifically
a
large
problem
when
season
comes
in
my
wife
and
I
like
to
back
in
our
driveway,
because
it's
so
hard
to
back
out
on
to
olympia
without
being
able
to
see
the
traffic.
So
we
back
into
our
driveway
in
season.
O
If
I
come
home
for
lunch,
which
I
typically
do
I
can't
do
that,
because
people
will
pull
up
right
behind
me
and
I
can't
back
into
my
driveway,
so
I
have
to
pull
along
onto
a
Harvey
street,
but
also
I
am
building
currently
a
home.
I
just
started
last
week
a
one
block
away
from
this
project
and
my
customer
paid
80
75
for
a
50
foot
lot
a
50
foot
lot,
80
75.
So,
even
if
you
were
to
go
through,
I
think
the
the
property
at
150
thousand
dollars
an
acre
is
way
way
undervalued.
P
My
name
is
shirley
lonoa.
I
live
in
punta
gorda
and
you've
heard
me
speak
before.
I
am
against
this
project
for
several
reasons.
If
we
want
more
rooftop,
we
have
a
heey
stock
coming
on
board
pretty
soon,
apparently
with
the
least
200
single-family
homes.
I
think
that's
a
pretty
big
development.
This
is
not
the
type
of
rooftops
who
want
in
this
development.
This
is
a
lock
and
go
residents.
P
Basically,
these
are
people
who
are
going
to
be
here
for
a
short
period
of
time
and
then
they're
going
back
to
their
homes,
they're
not
going
to
support
the
commercial
development.
The
commercial
businesses
or
you
know,
really
contribute
a
great
deal
to
the
town.
What
we
need
are
full-time
residents
and
if
we
do
need
housing,
as
I
stated
before,
we
need
housing
for
workers.
We
do
not
need
any
more
four
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollar
homes
in
this
town.
P
There
is
not
enough
control
of
what
happens
to
this
land
if
the
developer
does
go
ahead
and
do
this
development
there's
a
lot
of
ambiguity
and
really
there's
no
controls
over
if
the
development
does
not
succeed,
what's
going
to
happen
to
the
land,
what's
he
going
to
do
with
it,
then
I'm
very
concerned
about
that.
We
definitely
do
reserve
this,
for
our
future
use.
P
I
have
been
taking
counts
of
people
who
have
spoken
against
and
for
this
project
there
have
been
17
speakers
who
have
pile
up
in
for
this
development,
and
there
have
been
35
people
or
36,
including
me,
who
have
spoken
against
it.
I
want
to
tell
you
how
some
of
them
people
are
who
have
spoken
for
this.
They
are
the
attorney
for
the
Builder,
the
engineer
for
the
Builder,
someone
in
the
construction,
trade
specifically
poem
plumbing,
two
of
them
or
fellow
builder
and
developers.
P
Q
Good
morning,
all
all
I
can
say
is
wow
the
comments,
the
things
that
that
we've
heard
today,
amazing
and
I.
Thank
you
all
so
very
much.
My
name
is
Gary
skillicorn
I'm,
a
Punta
Gorda
homeowner
I
have
no
monetary
interest
in
the
sale
of
the
Henry
Street
Street
land.
Here
we
are
for
the
third
time
with
an
overflowing
crowd
into
the
lobby.
It's
no
accident.
There
are
these
folks
here
and
the
hundreds
of
others
that
do
not
support
the
sale
of
this
land.
Q
I
have
two
statements
to
make
today
and
without
a
teleprompter
I'm
just
going
to
read
my
statement
because
I
think
I
think
the
points
are
very
important.
Today's
agenda
also
has
a
presentation
called
Street,
Street,
Street
trailhead.
The
city
is
going
to
present
in
a
few
minutes
to
the
council
plans
for
a
picnic
area
wedged
in
a
triangle
between
shreve
and
Henry
Street.
This
area
is
proposed
to
have
picnic
tables,
water,
fountains,
straight
shade,
structures
and
restrooms.
Q
Believe
me,
I
have
no
gripe
with
the
plans,
except
by
the
way
it
it
overlaps
the
community
gardens
as
it
was
showing.
What
really
really
amazed
me
was
watching
a
prediction
come
true,
and
so
soon
who
would
have
ever
known
that
this
picnic
area
project
was
going
to
be
needed.
Somebody
with
a
vision
may
have
known
that
these
things
happen
and
just
by
looking
at
the
past
and
I
think
that's
the
point.
We've
been
trying
to
make
it's.
Q
It's
been
said
that
the
city
has
all
kinds
of
green
space,
a
question:
why
wasn't
that
green
space
being
used
for
this
planned
project?
Here
we
have
a
real-time
example
of
a
need
for
additional
land
for
a
community
project.
No
one
predicted
sure
in
this
case
we
could
probably
wedge
in
this
project.
But
what,
when
will
we
need
additional
land
for
the
next
project
down
the
road
I
know
11
acres.
It
could
be
available
in
the
future
for
us
now.
Q
My
second
item
is
more
of
a
business
nature,
and
this
might
might
make
this
academic
a
little
bit
of
a
history
here.
On
march
twenty
first,
seven
months
ago,
the
city
released
a
solicitation
seeking
proposals
for
the
Henry
Street
development.
Jun,
28
white
peterman
submitted
their
proposal.
There
were
no
others
on
September
21st.
After
the
council's
decision,
the
city
issued
a
formal
letter
to
white
peterman
rejecting
their
proposal.
I
contend
with
only
one
bitter.
Q
Rejection
of
the
proposal
cancel
the
solicitation
in
accordance
with
punta
gorda
procurement
policy,
section
8.1,
7
and
accepted
acquisition
practices
and
practices
this,
so
this
solicitation
should
be
considered
dead.
A
new
competitive
solicitation
would
be
required
in
order
to
continue
activities
on
this.
Continued
negotiation
with
white
peterman
could
constitute
grounds
for
protests
by
any
other
potential
bidders.
Q
H
R
R
The
community
gardens
the
dog
park
and
then
we
walk
into
that
barren
land,
and
we
do
this
and
we
notice
the
wildlife
and
even
in
its
deplorable
state,
now
it's
still
lovely
and
it
can
be
developed
and
with
the
addition
of
the
library
I
could
see
something
happening
back.
There
may
be
a
draw
for
some
of
our
other
use
in
the
city.
We
have
the
playground,
but
maybe
something
for
the
teenagers.
R
S
S
Our
community
is
against
this
project.
We
are
right
next
to
Fisherman's
Village.
We
have
a
good
relationship
with
patty
who
is
sitting
in
front
of
me.
We
definitely
do
not
want
to
see
more
traffic.
We
know
that
as
soon
as
you
build
those
properties,
the
stink
building
is
going
to
have
to
be
removed.
So
we
are
against
it.
T
Leah
Pappas
west
marion
avenue
taxpayer
since
95
residents,
since
2006
I'm
ven
Lee,
opposed
to
sell
this
property
I
think
we
need
to
look
to
the
future
and
one
thing
that
hasn't
been
brought
up
is
like
a
small
community,
theater
or
possibly
even
like
shakespeare
in
the
park
and
items
like
that.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
here.
You
shouldn't
be
hasty
and
making
the
sale,
and
I
hope
you
you
vote
against
it.
Thank
you.
Oh.
M
M
I
had
to
do
with
the
availability
of
green
space
traffic
levels
in
a
sense
of
community,
in
a
big
part
of
that,
since
the
community
for
me
is
being
able
to
go
to
the
green
to
the
dog
park
being
able
to
exchange
information
with
other
people
being
able
to
do
things
with
lot
of
people
who
use
the
facility.
I
would
like
to
see
it
sometime
if
it's
possible
that
you
could
do
a
use
analysis
of
how
will
steadily
use
that
Park
is
compared
to
some
of
the
other
green
spaces
in
the
community.
M
U
U
You
know
we
work
really
hard
to
build
beautiful
structures.
We
take
a
lot
of
pride
in
what
we
do
and
it's
important
for
us
and
it's
important
for
me
as
a
multi-generational
home
builder
in
this
town
to
do
a
good
job.
You
know
I
strive
to
be
the
gold
standard.
I
also
do
not
want
to
be
controversial
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
So
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is.
As
Howard
knows,
from
our
meetings.
I'm
flexible
I
responded
to
a
request
from
the
city.
U
If,
if
the
city
says
hey,
let's
downsize
it,
let's
use
a
different
parcel.
Let's
negotiate
through
this,
as
Howard
knows
through
several
meetings
were
open
to
all
of
that.
So
I
guess
I
would
just
say
this
vote
is
not
to
sell
the
property.
It
was
just
it's
just
simply
to
proceed
with
negotiations
to
find
out.
If
there's
a
common
ground
that
everybody
can
be
satisfied
with
I
shouldn't,
say
everybody
that
the
majority
can
be
satisfied
with.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
appreciate
it
thanks.
H
V
A
V
W
Look
and
I
have
an
aspirin.
First
of
all
to
those
of
you,
those
many
hundreds
of
you
I
again
offer
my
apologies.
I
hope
you
understand
that
my
heart
is
in
the
right
place
and
I
do
feel
that
it
was
prudent
for
us
to
reopen
this
discussion.
I
want
to
thank
Anthony
for
kind
of
pre-empting
me,
because
I
also
had
a
discussion
after
I
had
voted
now,
because
he
has
a
good
reputation
if
he
was
a
builder
from
out
of
town.
That
I
knew
nothing
about.
W
I,
probably
wouldn't
have
even
gone
any
farther,
but
he
is
a
person
that
has
a
very
good
reputation
within
this
community.
I
built
the
tolls
house.
By
the
way
my
house
was
destroyed
in
Charlie
and
I
rebuilt
immediately.
I
had
signed
my
contract
with
Keith
Tolls
by
the
end
of
October
of
2004.
I
just
want
to
make
that
statement
right
out.
There
I
also
love
this
community.
W
This
is
not
a
discussion
to
sell
the
property.
This
is
a
discussion
to
go
on
further
to
see
if
this
particular
developer
would
like
to
is
able
to
come
up
with
a
a
project
that
is
to
the
benefit
of
the
city.
My
motivations
are
our
multi-level
I
want
to
see.
What's
the
best
of
foot
to
gorda
I
feel
since
I've
been
on
this
constant
and
learn
more
about
the
way
the
city
works.
It's
come
to
my
attention
that
we
have
unexpected
pressures
all
the
time,
both
financially
and
value
wise.
W
Then
I
taken
that
passion
and
became
elected
to
be
to
their
City
Council's.
We
have
a
prudent
community
here.
Our
city
runs
financially
very
prudently,
perhaps
maybe
to
prudently,
as
we
may
have
heard
today,
but
I
do
think
that,
from
my
perspective,
it
behooves
us
to
see
if
we
can
bring
value
to
this
property.
I,
don't
see
value
really
to
this
property
in
the
today's,
and
because
it's
not
attractive,
it's
not
being
utilized
and
I'm,
not
seeing,
from
my
perspective
at
least
a
value
to
the
community.
W
At
this
point
time-
and
we
have
all
these
other
pressures,
however,
there's
a
number
of
you-
people,
as
all
of
you
are
known,
who
met
with
me
over
the
last
weeks
and
I,
have
challenged
you
to
say
why,
don't
you
know
come
come
back
and
I
would
hope
you
do,
because
I
would
love
to
see
this
developed
in
kind
of
a
mixed
juice.
Type
of
aspect
with
that
said.
W
I
would
hope
that,
in
the
with
further
discussion,
this
console
that
we
at
least
allow
Anthony
to
come
to
us
and
see
if
there
is
something
that
would
be
compatible.
I,
don't
want
to
see
this
via
levittown
type
of
project.
I,
don't
want
this
to
see
something
that
doesn't
fit
the
character
of
put
the
gorda.
If
a
project
like
this
were
to
be
presented
to
us,
it
would
go
I
just
to
make
that
point
perfectly
clear.
I'll
also
ask
David
when
I
finish
my
little
diatribe
here.
If.
W
Gary's
point
about
is
solicit
a
restless
attention
required
I'd
like
to
have
that
cleared
up
before
we
go
even
further,
because
if
we
do
need
to
resuscitate,
then
maybe
that's
what
you
need
to
do
and
then
it's
a
moot
point
and
I
understand.
We
can't
put
the
toothpaste
back
in
the
in
the
tube
once
we
get
it
out.
I.
W
Do
feel
that
it
is
prudent
for
us
to
at
least
openly
consider
if
a
project
come
before
and
quite
frankly
after
you
look
what
I
heard
today,
you
may
have
scared
Anthony
away,
ok
and
then
that
solves
the
issue
also,
you
may
have
because
I
think
I
think
it's
very
very
obvious
that
nobody
here
wants,
what's
not
good
for
Punta
Gorda
in
the
in
the
long
haul.
I
have
heard
all
of
your
voices.
S
W
Of
you
that
have
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
me
individually,
know
where
I
agree
and
disagree
with
you
on
many
of
these
aspects
and
I
just
feel
that
it
is
prudent
having
to
sit
up
here
that
we
consider
all
with
an
open
mind
all
potential
applications
in
this
particular
case
for
this
property
from
a
fiscally
prudent,
as
well
as
a
long
distance
vision
for
what
we
want
punta
gorda.
So
again,
I
started
this
mess
again
and
I
hope
that
we
can
conclude
it
today.
I.
Y
Have
an
opinion
from
a
legal
perspective,
but
I
think
we
should
first
hear
from
the
procurement
director
who's
responsible
for
administering
the
procurement
code,
see
what
her
perspective
is
as
the
administrator,
and,
if
I
disagree,
I
will
let
you
know
what
my
opinion
is
from
a
legal
perspective.
Good.
Z
Morning
for
the
record,
Mary
and
paste
procurement
manager,
as
far
as
even
rescinding
Awards
we're
sending
eject
rejections.
We
have
done
that
in
the
past.
It
is
a
best
practice,
because
there
are
instances
that
may
change,
especially
in
a
subjective
solicitation
such
as
this
invitation
to
negotiate.
Y
X
You
in
the
past,
you
know
I've
listened
to
all
of
the
comments
at
both
pro
and
con
and
those
speaking
in
favor.
This
is
a
small
town.
I
think
these
are
my
friends
and
I.
Understand
the
businesses
and
I
understand.
Clearly,
the
the
quality
of
the
homes
that
are
could
be
built
and
I
understand
everyone's
rationale,
and
it
really
cannot
disagree
with
their
points.
X
I
have,
though,
maintain
that
I
feel
that
we
need
to
maintain
this
space
or
future
use
and
and
I
have
another
perspective
as
I've
pondered
this
for
the
last
couple
weeks,
I
represent
district
5
majority
of
district
5
is
in
the
flight
path
and
and
we
don't
talk
about
airport
noise,
but
we've
had
residents
move
here
in
the
last
couple
years.
In
fact,
I
have
one
lady
that
moved
here
a
year
ago,
July
in
contacted
me
I
want
to
know
how
we
could
eliminate
the
noise
from
planes
coming
overhead
now.
X
X
I
had
a
neighbor
who
had
a
dog
they
would
they
refused
to
make
that
dog
quit
barking
I
had
to
contract
contact,
Charlotte
County
Animal
Control
to
have
them
come
to
the
home,
I
know
as
sure
as
the
Sun
will
come
up
tomorrow
when
we
build
homes.
Next
to
the
dog
park,
people
are
going
to
complain
about
the
dog
park.
G
H
AA
Nancy
I've
been
doing
some
Google
research
on
locating
residential
neighborhoods
next
to
a
sewage
treatment
facility,
and
what
google
tells
you
you
can
expect
to
buy
a
house
for
the
cheapest
hat
it'll
be
the
cheapest
house
in
the
area
and
when
you
sell
it,
you'll
likely
lose
money
on
it
and
also
I've
researched
on
Google
guidelines
for
building
a
dog.
Pork.
Google
tells
you
never
to
build
shouldn't
build
a
dog
park
in
a
residential
area,
and
if
you
do,
you
should
put
up
a
barrier
between
20
to
50.
AA
Feet
choose
to
take
care
of
the
issues
that
are
going
to
come
up
as
Nancy
points
out
there
going
to
be
dogs
barking
and
there
there
are
going
to
be
orders
and
I.
Just
don't
think
that
we
want
to
put
the
city
in
that
kind
of
a
tenable
position
facing
potential
lawsuits,
and
so
on.
We've
also
talked
about
all
of
the
green
space.
There
is
a
lot
of
green
space
in
the
city,
it's
not
owned
by
the
city,
it's
owned
by
private
developers
and
the
coming
years.
AA
All
of
that
green
space
is
going
to
get
developed.
It's
going
to
get
built
on
because
we
project
project
Anna
and
are
on
our
complaints
that
we're
going
to
have
an
increase
of
eight
thousand
residents
over
the
next
20
or
so
years.
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
preserve
that
land
for
future
determination.
AB
H
Gary
I,
like
the
idea,
the
you
know,
exploration
of
negotiation,
we've
had
so
much
public
input,
I
mean
some
of
our
residents
has
gone
so
far
to
do
drawings,
&,
specs
and
different
things
and
I
think
that
this
could
all
work.
The
green
space
and
the
housing
could
work
and
it
would
be
a
beautiful
development
if
it
comes
out,
and
it's
not
that
way,
then
of
course
I
would
not
want
to
see
that,
but
I
I
really
think
the
developer.
The
whole
team
has
been
here
and
listen
to
all
of
this.
H
They
have
not
shied
away.
They
have
not
backed
away.
They've
listened
to
all
this
public
input.
All
this
would
be
would
be
to
go
to
the
next
step,
to
let
them
get
a
conceptual
plan.
So
we
know
what
the
lot
sizes
would
be.
We
could
put
some
reverter
language,
I'm
sure
sorry
I
would
like
to
know.
Can
we
put
reverter
language
in
there?
Of
course
we
would
want
to
do
that
and
what?
How
would
we
protect
ourselves?
As
far
as
the
pumping
station
I.
Y
Was
hoping
you
wouldn't
ask
me
about
the
pumping
station
there's
no
way
to
protect
ourselves
from
a
lawsuit
regarding
the
pumping
station?
Just
look
I
mean
I.
It
sounds
like
a
flip
answer,
but
we
cannot
prevent
people
from
filing
lawsuits
against
the
city,
no
matter
how
lack
of
merit
that
might
be
and
I'm
not
going
to
even
break
randhir
opinion
as
to
whether
or
not
a
lawsuit
with
respect
to
the
helping
station
would
be
without
merit
or
with
merit.
But
to
answer
your
question,
we
cannot
protect
ourselves
from
suits
regarding
the
pumping
station
and.
Y
Similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
fishermen's
village,
you
know
we
can
identify
timetables
for
development.
We
can
identify
criteria,
a
mount
for
the
type
of
development
and
and
if
the
purchaser
would
agree,
we
could
put
reverter
language
into
the
agreement
that,
if
certain
conditions
weren't
met,
the
property
could
be
brought
back
to
the
city.
That
is
possible.
X
W
I'm
actually
inclined
to
agree
with
Nancy
except
I,
think
that,
because
of
the
situation
of
community,
it's
prudent
for
us
if
the
developer
wants
to
come
through
with
us
a
project
and
I
would
also
challenge
others
if
they
have
other
ways
to
bring
value
to
that
land
to
the
community,
and
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
dollars
to
also
bring
those
proposals
to
us.
But
I
think
because
of
what's
going
on
with
our
situations
and
so
forth,
I
think
it's
prudent
for
us
to
keep
an
open
mind
and
see
what
they
may
or
may
come
forth.
W
We
may
have
checked,
as
as
I
just
said,
we
may
have
already
chased
this
developer
away
and
that's
fine.
You
know
if
we
had
a
blank
check
if
I,
if
I
won
the
lottery
for
a
half
a
billion
dollars.
Quite
frankly,
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
just
give
a
blank
check
and
there's
several
people
in
this
community
that
know
what
I
would
love
to
see.
If,
but
that's
not
the
reality
and
the
reality
is
what
we
have
today.
W
The
reality
is,
we
have
commitments
in
developing
our
green
space
spaces
that
we
have
right
now,
a
lot
of
commitments
that
we
cannot
back
off
of
at
the
same
time,
we're
meeting
or
having
to
feel
financial
pressures
that
we
weren't
anticipating
because
of
the
way
the
economy's
change
with
with
these
increased
costs
that
we
weren't
expecting
at
the
time.
There's
just
been
a
number
of
those
we
have
process
coming
down.
We
have
what
we're
doing
with
the
restrooms
for
Gilcrest
and
so
on
and
so
on,
and
so
on.
W
So
I
think
it's
prudent
for
us
to
at
least
consider
this
we're
not
making
a
commitment.
We're
only
saying
give
us
your
best
shot
and
then
and
then
let
us
consider
it
and
this
developers
willing
to
spend
those
kind
of
dollars
if
he
chooses
to
go
forward.
I,
don't
know
at
this
point:
that's
not
what
we're
voting
on
we're
voting
on
what
we
consider
it
and
if
you,
if
he
comes
to
bring
us
his
best
shot
and
I,
think
that's
proven
for
us
to
keep
an
open
mind
and
kicked
that
tire.
Nancy.
X
I,
don't
feel
that
it's
fair
to
mr.
Ferrar
hat
and
his
organization
to
ask
him
to
go
through
all
of
this
when
in
fact
possibility
may
exist
that
we
could
turn
around
and
to
say
you
know
what
we've
given
some
thought
and
we
just
don't
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
you
know
there's
some
beautiful
drawings
and
I.
Don't
doubt
I
know,
and
I
lived
in
colorado,
they're
all
kinds
of
beautiful
patio,
home
type
developments
that
were
built
out
there
and
so
I
know
the
possibilities
exist.
W
I,
don't
think
it's
a
question
of
whether
we're
being
fair,
fair
to
the
developer
or
not,
because
he
obviously
knows
what's
going
on,
if
he
chooses
he's
doing
it
with
open
minds
if
he
chooses
to
back
out
right
now
or
tomorrow
or
the
next
week
after
he
runs
his
numbers
again,
that's
fine
too,
but
if
he
does
choose
to
continue
to
go
forward
with
an
open
mind,
he
knows
he's
got
an
uphill
battle.
I
think
that
that's.
That
really
is
his
decision.
I.
AA
S
AA
Don't
know
how
that
Philip,
the
building
could
preempt
the
possibilities
of
lawsuits
with
the
city
with
regard
to
OT
control
and
I.
Don't
know
how
to
build
a
Capri
and
the
possibility
of
folks
complaining
about
boat
dogs
barking
in
the
neighborhood
all
of
the
time
I.
Just
don't
I,
don't
believe
that
there's
I
know
in
the
airport,
you
have
what's
called
a
Navy
I,
believe
it's
an
avionics
or
an
avionics
easement.
Are
we
going
to
have
the
sewage
easement
and
a
dog
right.
AA
AA
W
W
W
Y
W
X
Y
Me
help
a
little
bit.
Okay.
The
item
on
the
agenda,
as
it
was
originally
considered
by
the
City
Council
was,
was
consideration
of
the
sale
and
development
of
West
Henry
Street
property
that
I
at
the
sep
tember
21st
meeting
city
council
opted
to
retain
or
future
public
oriented
use
or
other
opportunity,
as
the
situation
may
arise,
rocked
by
3
to
2
vote
so
so
that
original
motion
was
brought
back
by
virtue
of
council
member,
with
lions
request
for
reconsideration
and
leave.
Y
H
AA
H
X
AB
U
Y
Know
I
think,
based
on
what
was
on
the
agenda.
The
way
the
issue
is
pretty
narrow.
The
motion
that
just
failed
was
to
retain
the
property
for
future
public
oriented
use
or
other
opportunity,
as
situation
may
arise.
So
now
the
appropriate
motion
based
on
the
item
has
appeared
on
the
agenda
in
September.
21St
would
be
motion
to
approve
consideration
of
the
sale
and
development
of
West
Henry
Street
property,
or
you
may
vote
to
table
this
issue
and
come
up
with
some
other
other
item
for
consideration
as
an
agenda
item
which,
which
might.