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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 10-7-2015 Part 2
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A
E
B
Right,
we
are
now
moving
into
our
regular
agenda
if
acceptable
to
everyone,
I'd
like
to
move
87
a
to
the
end
of
our
unfinished
business.
That's
our
agreement
with
the
Water
Authority,
since
they
are
now
in
session
as
well
today,
we're
not
sure
if
they
will
complete
their
business
before
we
get
to
that
item.
But
if
we
have
any
word,
it
would
be
nice
to
know
it
ahead
of
time.
Okay,
thank.
C
F
Good
morning,
Michael
Heyman's
I'm
here
for
item
7c
event,
sidewalk
closure,
Michael,
Heyman's,
I'm,
part
of
the
organization
that
puts
on
the
Hibiscus
festival
each
year
and
and
the
Gilchrist
Park
has
been
our
traditional
location.
We've
tried
it
over
at
lashley
park
and
we
just
get
swallowed
up,
and
it's
really
because
of
the
walkability
to
the
historic
home
tours
that
we
have
and
the
location
on
the
harbor.
F
F
We
do
block
the
sidewalks
off
on
the
harborwalk,
but
we
do
it
only
during
the
times
that
we're
actually
open
and
operating,
and
so
it's
portion
of
the
time
during
the
day
on
Saturday
and
a
small
portion
of
the
day
on
Sunday,
and
we
post
notices
ahead
of
time
so
that
24
hours
ahead
of
time
that
there's
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
sidewalk
closure.
We
provide
a
detour
signage
so
that
people
can
do
that
little
bit
of
inconvenience
of
bumping
around
us.
F
We
hope
that
people
who
are
out
there
would
then
stop
and
come
in
and
be
part
of
the
of
the
event,
but
we
really
need
to
manage
and
maintain
the
the
closure
and
it
needs
to
go
from
the
road
all
the
way
to
the
to
the
to
the
water,
and
so
don't
quite
understand
what
the
push
is
to
not
allow
us
to
close
and
control.
That
I
know
that
we've
had
over
the
years.
F
Frankly,
one
or
2k
seems
to
us
cantankerous
individuals
that
don't
want
to
do
the
detour
around
and
claim.
This
is
the
public
sidewalk
and
you
can't
keep
me
out
of
it
and
what
are
you
doing
and
and
really
what
it
boils
down
to?
Is
that
it's
a
community
event
and
it's
really
important
to
the
event?
And
it's
such
a
minimal
inconvenience
to
somebody
to
have
to
for
that
very
short
period
of
time
to
bump
around
that?
G
I
am
Gary
wine
and
I
should
have
at
least
one
common
today,
I
think
when
we
come
to
this
means
I
want
to
agree
in
general,
98
98
point
five
percent,
with
what
the
gentleman
just
said.
I
think
the
one
thing
that
we
need
as
a
console
to
or
I
would
ask
the
council
to
be
cognizant
of
is
not
to
do
anything
that
would
squash
these
types
of
events.
G
They
are
good
for
the
community,
their
proper
and
they're
good
for
the
whole
spirit
of
it,
but
not
to
let
it
get
to
the
point
that
we
have
one
every
three
or
four
every
month,
or
something
like
that.
There
should
be
some
limit
to
the
number
of
events
that
we
allow
to
have
have
that.
That
would
become
an
inconvenience,
but
to
do
this
four
or
five
six
times
a
year
for
these
various
special
events,
whether
it's
something
that's
as
as
good
as
the
event
we're
discussing
or
a
jazz
festival
or
something
that's
very
special
I.
B
B
H
Morning,
sharon
knippenberg
controller
for
the
city.
During
the
budget
process
we
had
identified
efficiencies
that
we
could
provide,
and
the
utilities
advisory
board
was
particularly
interested
in
the
convenience
fee.
What
we
find
is
that
people
are
interested
in
using
their
credit
cards
debit
cards,
to
make
their
payments
and,
of
course,
on
the
flip
side
they
may
enjoy
getting
rewards
for
using
those
on
the
bad
side
for
the
city
government.
We
find
that
we,
we
are
increasingly
growing
in
in
the
cost
of
allowing
the
credit
cards
for
the
for
the
utilities.
H
Fondant
will
be
over
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
fiscal
year
2016
budget
for
the
marina
funded,
which
is
a
very
small
fund.
It's
going
to
be
upwards
of
ten
thousand
dollars
in
costs,
so
our
suggestion
had
been
to
those
who
would
like
that
convenience
we're
happy
to
provide
it,
but
perhaps
they
should
bear
all
or
a
portion
of
those
costs,
and
so
we
bringing
it
back
to
you
now
as
we
had
promised
and
if
you
would
like
us
to
pursue
it.
H
This
would
be
the
time
because
we
will
be
putting
our
credit
card
business
out
to
bid.
We
call
it
the
automated
merchant
services
and
they
can
run
the
program
one
of
two
ways.
They
can
either
just
charge
the
city
of
fee
for
giving
us
the
program
or
they
can
do
a
pass-through
cost
to
the
customer,
and
so
that
will
be
going
out
to
bid
and
we
need
a
direction
from
you
as
to
whether
you
would
allow
us
to
suggest
the
convenience.
H
That's
a
good
question
and
we
can't
tell
you
that
yet
because
it
depends
on
what
the
bids
will
look
like.
That
will
be
a
part
of
the
bid
process,
what
they
want
to
charge
and
pass
through
to
our
customers.
I
can
tell
you
that
when
we've
looked
at
it
across
the
state
there's
a
lot
of
communities
that
have
it
and
others
that
want
to
do
it.
So
what
I
found
is
some
do
a
percentage
and
the
percentage
is
can
be
as
low
as
1.5
as
high
as
2.6
I'm.
H
Sorry,
one
was
actually
five
percent
and
some
of
them
do
a
flat
fee
which
is
kind
of
interesting.
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
very
fair,
but
some
of
them
do
225
is
a
fee
dollar.
Forty,
nine
and
one
was
495,
so
it's
all
over
the
board,
but
for
the
city
to
emphasize
it
will
be
revenue-neutral.
We
are
not
trying
to
generate
a
revenue,
it
will
be
a
pass-through
cost
to
the
consumer
comments.
D
Yes,
Nancy
well,
I
just
a
question.
So
how
does
this
work
today?
You
said:
there's
a
I'm
worth
a
someone
that
we
do
business
with
and
they
that
are
the
ones
that
offer
all
these
different
credit
cards.
Oh
that
yeah,
because
I've
had
people
ask
me
what
credit
cards
do
Ted
can
we
take
credit
cards
that
are
maybe
have
only
lower
fees?
Then
you
know
so
I
think
we
all
need
to
understand.
Yes,.
H
F
H
Are
a
few
that
are
not
allowed?
American
Express
has
always
been
one
of
them
because
they
have
the
very
highest
feeds,
but
for
the
most
part
you
can
use
just
about
any
credit
card
to
make
your
payment
and
depending
on
which
card
the
customer
uses,
the
pass-through
fee
to
the
city
can
be
low
or
high.
So.
E
H
I
Kim,
okay,
so
you're
you're
getting
ready
to
put
it
out
to
bid
the
merchant
services.
Yes,
okay,
so
then
you
get
your
feedback
and
then
we
would
we
would
charge
whatever
that
is
like
some
banks,
you
know,
for
instance,
bank
of
america
who.
E
I
A
third
party
for
their
merchant
services
Chase
has
their
own,
so
their
fees
are
always
less
so
whoever
we
get-
and
hopefully
we
get
someone
who
has
their
own,
which
there's
very
few
of
them.
By
the
way
we
would
have
the
lowest
fee,
but
I
definitely
think
we
need
to
pass
the
cost
through
on
to
the
person
who
uses
a
car.
You.
A
Be
councilmember,
Kiessling
I
would
be
in
favor
of
a
small
flat
fee
to
recoup
part
of
what
the
city
is
charged.
These
systems
encourage
timely
payments
and
cut
down
on
staff
processing
time,
so
there
is
value
also
more
online
payments
are
going
to
be
available,
so
we
need
to
make
it
fair
for
the
customers.
Thank.
H
C
B
That
would
be
my
concern,
so
what
we're
saying
is
the
rest
of
us.
Taxpayers
are
paying
for
that.
Individuals.
Convenience,
yes
and
that
to
me
is
not
fair
and
I
agree
with
Kim
that
you
know
this
should
be
just
to
pass
through
revenue
neutral
and
I
also
agree
with
Kim
to
find
the
company
that's
going
to
provide
the
lowest
percentage
of
fees.
So.
E
B
H
I
B
D
Nancy
I,
one
of
the
questions
I
had
from
a
resident,
was
making
sure
that
we
made
it
clear
to
people
what
the
no
cost
options
were.
So
there
is
I
know
that
we
do
offer
automatic
withdrawal
from
a
checking
it
yes
bait
drafting
it
is,
it
is
a
ridiculous.
Are
we
also
offering?
What
is
the
if
you
go
online
to
renew
your
well
there's
pay
khabar?
They
they
also
charge
as
well,
and
people
could
use
their
own
paypal
account.
H
E
because
most
of
those
become
labor-intensive,
the
bank
drafting
is
definitely
the
one
I
recommend
to
everyone.
I
did
it
when
I
moved
here
before
I
worked
for
the
city,
it
just
you
get
the
notification,
just
like
everybody
does
that
this
is
the
amount
of
your
bill
it
would
be
coming
out
of
here
at
can
out
in
this
little
period
of
time.
So
you've
got
about
20
days,
notice
that
it's
coming
out
and
it's
the
amount
of
work
for
staff
is
minimal
and
the
cost
to
the
customer
is
nothing
in.
H
The
cost
of
the
city
is
nothing
so
it's
it's
the
it's
a
win-win
for
everyone
to
do
the
bank
drafting
and
obviously,
if
you
had
a
dispute,
if
you
work
and
turned
about
your
bill,
you
just
call
Helen
or
her
staff
and
talk
about
it
and
get
it
settled.
It's
not
like.
Oh
you
can't
fight
city
hall
and
we
were
very
responsive
to
concerns
about
utility
bills,
because
sometimes
people
do
have
water
leaks
and
we
will
go
out
and
investigate
it
and
you
know
and
make
it
right
so
tell
we.
C
E
I
B
B
We
obviously
are
going
to
follow
up
with
regards
to
the
authority
meeting.
Hopefully,
today
we
will
have
information
about
next
steps
with
that,
but
I
also
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
incorporate
an
issue
that
we
have
talked
about
before,
which
is
oversight
of
our
potable
water
watershed
and
I've
kind
of
started
the
beginning
of
it.
But
I
know
david
has
some
additional
information
or
city
attorney,
and
we
were
also
talking
with
joan
LeBeau's
worked
on
this
issue
as
well,
provide
some
material
David.
You
wanted
to
provide
some
suggest.
J
J
J
Catch
it
yeah
anyway,
I've
got
to
two
different
options
at
either
pole
of
the
of
the
what
we
may
be
able
to
achieve.
Let
me
suggest
that
since
since
getting
involved
in
the
case
and
getting
a
better
understanding
of
what's
happening
in
the
watershed
and
without
going
into
greater
detail,
I
would
I
would
recommend
that
we
don't
limit
our
request
for
oversight
to
the
half
mile
buffer
zone.
I
think
is.
J
J
J
The
federal
government
asks
the
state
to
provide
a
certification
of
compliance
with
the
state's
environmental
regulations
for
this
particular
project
and
then
using
that
certification
and
using
its
own
investigation
of
the
project.
The
federal
government
we
the
grant
or
deny
the
permit
and
I
thought
that
was
a
pretty
good
way
of
making
sure
that
the
city
had
an
opportunity
to
have
a
not
only
a
meaningful
input,
but
a
very
substantial
way
of
controlling
the
activities
that
get
approved,
that
the
potentially
impact
shell
and
prairie
creek
and
again
without
being
elaborating
more.
J
F
J
I
J
So
this
is
the
option,
a
is
the
one
that's
modeled
after
the
federal
Clean
Water
acting
like
I
said
this
is
this
is
shooting
for
the
moon
or
trying
to
hit
a
home
run
or
grand
center
anyway,
it
would
read,
and
then
we
also
say
that
that
this
language,
while
it's
all
very
regulatory,
is
similar
not
only
to
what
the
federal
Clean
Water
Act
requires,
but
also
what
the
state's
environmental
regulations
would
also
require.
The.
B
B
J
The
requirement
%
certificate
shall
apply
only
to
activities
which
are
reasonably
expected
to
be
conducted
within
the
surficial
aquifer
located
in
the
shell
or
prairie
creek
water
sheds
the
boundaries
of
the
shell
and
prairie
creek.
Watershed
shall
be
those
established
by
the
Southwest
Florida
Water
Management
District,
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
shall
grant
or
deny
any
requested
certificate
of
no
objection
within
30
days
of
receipt
of
a
written
request
from
the
applicant.
If
no
action
is
taken
within
sent
time,
the
certificate
of
no
objection
shall
be
deemed
granted.
J
The
city
of
Punta
Gorda
may
deny
a
certificate
of
no
objection.
If
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
determines
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
provide
reasonable
assurances
based
upon
plans,
test
results,
studies
or
other
information
that
the
proposed
new
activity
or
renewal,
modification
or
extension
of
a
permit
or
license
for
existing
activity
will
not
result
in
adverse
impacts,
individually
or
cumulative
Billy
to
the
quality
and
the
quantity
or
quality
of
the
water
in
shell
or
Prairie
creeks.
J
Before
denying
a
certificate,
if
no
objection,
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
shall
provide
notice
to
the
applicant
of
the
city's
intended
action
affording
the
applicant
and
here's
where
we
would
serve
an
opportunity
to
provide
additional
information
to
the
city
to
demonstrate
its
entitlement
to
such
a
certificate,
the
issuance
of
an
intent
to
deny
shalt
all
the
30
day
decision
deadline.
So
this
way
we
really
I
wouldn't
say.
B
J
There's
there's
no
question
that
that
this
would
involve
either
someone
who
has
knowledge
of
permitting
and
of
the
type
that
we're
talking
about,
or
we
are
case-by-case
basis
involved,
some
sort
of
outside
consultant,
which
is
similar
to
what
Charlotte
County
used
to
do
when
they
were
more
proactive
in
protecting
the
watershed
is
that
they
would
outsources
with
that
Todd
Kincaid.
Our
expert
in
in
our
case
was
was
one
of
those
consultants
that
was
brought
in
to
review
applications
for
my
phone.
J
After
receipt
of
such
written
request,
the
city
of
puente
quarter
shops
standing
to
challenge
the
action
of
any
state
or
county
body
or
agency
in
the
appropriate
form,
as
provided
by
law,
the
boundaries
of
the
shell
and
prairie
creek.
Watershed
shall
be
established
by
the
Southwest
Florida
Water
Management
District.
What
this
does
is,
first
of
all
it
important
ly.
J
Theoretically,
that
permit
would
be
invalid
until
the
city
has
had
an
opportunity
for
his
input
and
city
could
require
that
the
process
start
over
again.
The
other
part
is
is
just
to
make
sure
to
avoid
some
of
the
defenses
that
may
have
been
initially
raised
against
the
city
in
present
case
that
the
city
would
have
legal
standing
to
challenge
a
permit
that
was
issued
by
the
county
or
the
state,
as
it
may
relate
to
impacts
to
our
drinking
water
supply.
I
A
question
after
sitting
to
the
first
hearing
and
listening
to
some
of
that,
and
you
know,
reading
all
of
the
stuff
that
we
get
on
this.
We
have
part
of
the
county.
What
the
county
is
saying
is
that
we
have
Swift
mud
and
dep
that
are,
that
is
overlooking
this
and
they're.
Looking
at
these
permits
and
they're
they're,
really
it's
their
job
to
make
sure
that
that
our
water
is
protected,
our
potable
water,
what
you're!
I
Would
it
be
better
for
us
to
be
talking
to
Swift
mud
about
perhaps
doing
that,
so
that,
because
I
see
what
the
county's
saying
that
okay,
now
we're
going
to
look
over
this
and
they're
going
to
look
over
this
and
now
the
city
is
going
to
look
over
this
and
we're
all
going
to
be
looking
over
this,
not
that
we
shouldn't
be
looking
over
and
that
we
shouldn't
be
made
aware
of
it.
But
wouldn't
it
be
better
to
go
to
Swift
mud
and
say
you
need
to
be
looking
at
the
evaporation
rates.
J
I
J
But
what
I
do
know
is
that
it
is
very
clear
in
the
regulations,
for
example,
that
any
cumulative
impacts
as
a
result
of
the
withdrawal
and
an
evaporation
is
a
withdrawal
needs
to
be
evaluated
in
desert
in
determining
whether
or
not
to
grant
a
permit
for
a
mine
or
other
excavation.
That's
going
to
go
into
the
surficial
aquifer.
So.
B
J
Water
stands
to
eliminate,
or
at
least
minimize,
the
effect
of
the
deep
water
groundwater
pumping
for
irrigation
purposes
by
trading
that
for
use
of
the
surficial
aquifer.
In
other
words,
the
surficial
aquifer
has
always
been
a
protected
drinking
water
aquifer.
Therefore,
you
don't
take
withdrawals
out
of
that
unnecessarily
and.
E
J
Why
I
mean
that's
and
that's
and
that's
why
the
deeper
aquifer
wells
were
the
preferred
wells,
but
that
those
deeper
a
prefers
also
have
higher
concentrations
of
the
salts
which
are
adversely
affecting
shell
three
right.
So
the
farms
program
was
developed
as
a
means
to
try
to
eliminate
the
deeper
water
aquifers
and
to
come
up
with
come
up
with
different
means
to.
J
Provide
irrigation,
I'm
told
that
the
first
of
all,
when
you
look
at
the
information
that
that
swiftlet
will
tell
you
about
the
farms
program
that
what
they
feature
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
uncapped
or
unsupervised
or
managed
old
wells
that
are
overflowing
with
with
this
bad,
deep
water,
that's
falling
into
shale
Creek
and
that
their
primary
objective
is
to
locate
n2m
to
cap
these
these
wells,
you
don't
see
anything
in
there
specifically
with
respect
to
the
use
of
these
mine
pits
for
alternate
sources
of
irrigation.
But
what's
what's
happened
is
that.
J
Farmers
have
been
encouraged
to
create
these
right
to
turn
over
the
mine
pits
into
reservoirs
for
agricultural
purposes.
I
am
told
that,
when
the
stake
whole,
when
the
stakeholders
had
their
discussions
about
this,
and,
for
example,
the
city
of
Detroit
signed
off
on
it,
the
concept
was
that
the
reservoirs
would
be
shallow
reservoirs
that
would
not
be
cutting
into
the
surficial
aquifer
so
that
the
source
of
the
water
that
was
caught
that
was
being
reused
for
irrigation
was
basically
captured
rainwater,
but
in
implicit
in
application.
J
They're
pumping
it
onto
the
crops
and
then
having
that
water
come
back
to
this
reservoir
if
the
reservoir
was
lined
so
that
there
would
no
longer
be
water
coming
up
from
the
surficial
aquifer
and
there
would
not
be
the
chance
of
whatever
fertilizers
or
other
things
that
would
be
running
off
as
part
of
the
recirculation
into
the
mine
pits.
No
chance
of
that.
Getting
into
shale
Creek.
J
J
I,
don't
know
how
successful
we
would
be
in
aligning
with
the
county,
because
the
county
is
the
reason
why
we're
in
this
fight
to
begin
with,
because
they've
taken
away
the
protections
that
they
originally
put
in
there
right
then
from
the
other
side
of
the
coin,
and
I
really
didn't
mean
to
make
this
into
a
big
debate.
But
we've
had
problems
in
dealing
with
Swift
mud
in
the
past
and
getting
them
to
understand
our
position,
which
ran
counter
to
somebody's
political
agenda.
David.
C
And
isn't
there
bethey
the
fact
that
the
separation
between
Swift
mud
and
dep
swift
might
as
I
understand
it
is
involved
with
it
with
a
quantity
of
water
and
then
DEP
is
involved
with
the
quality
of
the
water.
So
as
the
quantity
of
the
water
gets
minimized
as
a
result
of
the
evaporation
theory
and
that
then
the
quality
of
the
water
is
going
to
deteriorate
as
well.
So
a
resolution
singularly
with
Swift
mud
if
one
was
even
possible,
may
not
solve
the
the
global
picture.
The
bigger
pic
well.
J
Part
of
the
problem
as
well
with
Swift
mud,
is
that
and
you're
right.
The
original
setup
is
the
EPA's
water
quality
and
Swift
mud
is
water
quantity.
However,
as
a
cost
savings
measure,
the
water
quality
jurisdiction
has
been
delegated
to
Swift
mud
in
many
areas,
and
so
Swift
mud
issues.
Two
permits
for
a
a
mind.
For
example,
one
is
a
swift
one
is
called
environmental
resource
permit,
ERP,
which
which,
under
the
statutes
wasn't
it
was
originally
issued
by
DEP
as
a
water
quality
permit
and
Swift
mud,
wood
and
mines
also
require
a
water
use.
J
Permit
with
respect
to
the
withdraw
of
water
from
the
aquifer,
but
now
Swift
mud
is
is,
is
actually
issuing.
Both
an
environmental
resource
permit
and
a
war
use
permit,
which,
to
some
extent,
is
since
swit
blood
is
in
the
business
historically
of
allowing
uses
of
water
just
making
just
sort
of
trying
to
regulate
them.
J
E
J
When
you,
when,
when
sweet
blood
was
then
given
the
responsibility
to
also
look
at
the
impact
on
the
NAT,
the
environment,
natural
environment,
that
dep
used
to
look
at
they're,
primarily
looking
at
impacts
to
wetlands
in
the
area
of
the
proposed
project
and
what
I
saw
as
a
huge
gap
in
their
regulations
is
yes
or
not.
The
regulations
but
the
implementation
of
the
regulations.
When
issuing
these
permits.
They're.
J
If
you're
right,
if
Swift
mud,
would
do
their
job,
we
would
be
much
more
comfortable
in
making
sure
that
our
water
shed
was
protected,
but
there's
all
kinds
of
things
going
on,
including
exemptions
or
modifications
from
it
from
from
mine
permitting
to
agricultural,
which
doesn't
require
reviews
and
all
kinds
of
things
which
may
be
very
well-intentioned.
But
the
end
result
is
the
impacts
that
we're
experiencing
and
concerned
about.
With
respect
to
Shelby.
Do.
C
J
J
The
impacts
to
the
aquifers
are
really
not
a
major
consideration.
The
water
management
districts
that
might
be
issuing
permits
to
make
sure
that
the
deeper
aquifers
are
infected
by
the
mining.
Whatever
doesn't
have
that
problem
that
swift
blood
has
with
respective
hours.
You
know
my
phosphate
mining.
It
has
always
been
associated
with
water
bodies,
because
that's
just
the
way
nature
board
phosphates
fell,
and
so
what's
Whitman
is
much
more
familiar
with
that
regulating
activities
involving
phosphate
mine,
but
with
respect
to
the
sand,
mining
I,
don't
not
so
sure.
I
Yes,
can
I
guess
what
what
I
you
know
if
this
is
going
to
be
on
our
legislative
agenda
or
whatever
what
I'm
saying
is
if
I
were
sitting
in
their
seats.
I
would
like
to
see
us
trying
to
work
through
this
and
say
if
we
could
get
Swift
mud
and
dep
to
do
what
really
their
task
to
do.
That
would
be
great,
but
if
they
can't
do
it,
then
we
would
like
this
so
that
we
can
protect
our
water
in
terms
of
timing.
This
is
up
I
mean
I.
Just
feel
like
this
whole
process.
B
Not
sure
that
this
is
then
perhaps
premature
this
year
in
terms
of
a
legislative
action,
I
would
agree
with.
You
can
I
think
we
should
be
approaching
Swift,
mud
and
dep
with
regards
to
these
kinds
of
issues
that
and
I
think
through
this
case,
these
issues
will
emerge
right
and
be
then
on
record,
as
you
know
where
they
were,
the
gaps
actually
are.
B
A
D
B
B
B
I
Mean
we
I
think
we
saw
even
in
the
very
beginning
of
all
of
this
I
know.
Tom
had
a
turbidity
issue,
we
thought
might
have
been
caused
by
one
of
the
mines,
but
on
further
investigation
they
found
out
that
it
was
really
a
farmer
who
had
dug
a
ditch.
I
mean
that's
how
delicate
the
water
system
is
I
mean
so
there's
all
kinds
of
things
that
need
to
be
looked
at
to
protect
the
water,
not
just
the
minds,
I
mean
so.
E
J
We
are
we
pace
with
mud,
yes,
and
we
may
have
the
opportunity
to
bring
that
to
light
in
his
form.
I'm,
not
entirely
sure
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
as
much
information
as
we
need
to
write,
but
it
certainly
is
worth
postponing
this
action,
because
I
I
think
you're
right.
The
question
is
going
to
be
asked,
isn't
doesn't
swiftlet
already
do
that
and
you
try
to
convince
them
that
it
doesn't
it's
basically
our
word
against
theirs
or.
J
A
We're
going
to
not
conclude
that
I
do
have
councilmember
keaghlan
comments.
Okay,
I
will
be
presenting
the
entire
Florida
Liga
city's
action
agenda
to
the
delegation
on
behalf
of
the
Southwest
Florida
lita
cities.
So
if
there
are
specific
items,
vacation,
rentals,
water
policies,
etc,
you've
identified
them
that
the
city
wants
to
incorporate.
I
can
support
that
gosh,
but
she
did
not
support
any
requests
for
any
more
appropriation
of
funding,
which
is
our
recommendation
as
well.
Now.
B
C
B
I
F
B
Second,
request
was
regarding
standardized
local
edge
election
dates,
and
this
again
has
just
come
forward
within
the
last
week,
and
a
half
basically
from
representative
Caldwell
is
considering
legislation
that
seeks
to
standardize
local
election
dates
in
terms
of
if
we
were
going
to
do
that,
it
would
kind
of
blow
out
our
charter.
We
have
a
city
charter
that
has
specific
information
about
how
we
can
conduct
our
elections.
B
We
would
have
repetitive
elections.
We
would
be
paying
probably
every
year
if
people
are
running
in
those
elections,
I
think
it
is
just
bad
policy
and
I,
don't
know
how
far
it's
going
to
get,
but
I
think
we
should
at
least
be
on
record
and
I
know.
That
is
also
probably
while
it's
not
in
the
general
legislative
requests
from
the
link
of
cities.
It
is
one
that
they
are
going
to
be
believed
taking
on.
Yes,
any
other.
Are
we
agreed
to
incorporate.
B
You
have
any
additional
changes
to
language
or
you
know
pumping
it
up
at
all.
You
know,
let's
get
it
get
it
to
us
or
whatever
the
additional
policy
requests,
and
here
again
we
agreed,
I
believe,
to
support
both
the
Florida
League
of
Cities
and
The
Charlotte
counties.
Legislative
agendas
is
recommending
that
most
of
the
items
that
they
have
throughout
affairs
is
I.
Think
supports
us.
Yes,.
A
A
B
B
B
Is
something
that
we
would
not
support
again?
We
begin
with
this
one:
additional
policy
requests:
I
have
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
well,
as
its
punta
gorda
opposes
any
legislation
that
diminishes
local
governments,
home
rule
or
shifts
costs
for
state
programs
to
local
governments
without
a
permanent
source
of
funding,
and
that
is
from
basically
from
the
League
of
Cities,
but
I
think
that
is
kind
of
an
overarching
request
right
where
our
legislators
and
then
in
addition,
these
other
areas,
issues
related
and
we
go
to
water
and
environmental
policy.
B
B
A
B
Not
the
way
it's
presented
here,
but
some
effort
to
say
mitigates
pollution
from
on-site.
That's
supposed
to
be
from
I
think
it
says
from
on
your
and
your
from
on-site.
It
wasn't
changed.
Come
on-site
wastewater
expands,
the
use
of
alternative
water
resources.
Recognizing
that
reclaimed
water
is
an
asset
paid
for
by
utilities
rate
requires
all
infrastructure
users
to
pay
the
cost
of
operation
maintenance
of
such
facilities.
I
J
Know
this
is
where
they
use
the
wooden
phrase:
alternative
water
resources,
that's
what
turning
mine
fits
into
education
reservoirs
fits
under
and
that's
how
they're
using
it
to
justify
it's
all
coming
out.
It
sounds
great
and
all
other
instances,
it's
probably
to
be
encouraged,
but
I,
don't
know
how
you
really
bring
to
the
attention
of
anybody
that
that
should
not
make
it
easier
to
take
water
from
the
surficial
aquifer
again.
The
idea
concept
was
that
they
wouldn't
be
taking
any
more
from
the
surficial
aquifer
player,
but
that's
not
the
way
it's
being
implemented.
J
B
I
B
B
B
A
B
A
B
Okay,
let's
take
those
out:
okay,
okay,
I
was
looking
for
where
we
had
a
vacation.
Rentals
is
the
first
one
under
economic
development
legislation
that
allows
local
governments
to
regulate
vacation
rental
properties,
protect
the
health
and
welfare
residents,
visitors
and
businesses.
I'm
not
sure
that
we
need
the
regulation,
but
that's
the
one
that
I
think
having
more
local
control
would
be
helpful.
Absolutely
so,
are
we
okay
with
this?
Yes,
David.