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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 11-4-15 part 2
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C
C
B
D
Would
agree
with
you
Rachel
the
black
stands
out
more
and
I
love
number
two
in
the
color,
but
the
logo
doesn't
stand
out
the
elements
of
the
logo
kind
of
fade
away.
It
looks
almost
like
it's
a
night
scene
as
opposed
to
a
date
daytime
so
and
I
actually
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
show
this
to
a
number
of
people
say
what
do
you
think
and
it
was
unanimous
up
number
3.
D
E
F
Not
going
to
be
happy
with
me,
I've
just
taken
some
time
to
look
at
all.
Quite
a
few
different
city
websites
and
the
I
had
I
just
have
some
concerns
and
issues
with
this
concerning
whether
it's
what
it
should
be
utilitarian
primarily
and
its
purpose,
whether
it
has
too
much
imagery
on
it
that
takes
away
from
the
lettering
and
the
other
items
that
should
be
on
there
for
functional
reasons
and
I've
asked
Brad
to
put
up
on
the
screen
a
contrast
website
from
the
city
of
Cape
Coral.
F
So
we
could
see
the
difference
between
one
vs
together
to
me.
It's
still
very,
very
difficult
to
to
make
out
what
the
lettering
that
is
on
our
proposed
landing
page
and
I.
The
colors,
in
the
background,
complicate
that,
in
my
opinion,
to
some
extent
I
just
think
we
may
be
trying
to
do
too
much
on
it.
F
C
Much
deeper
than
but
again
it's
hard
to
do
it's
hard
to
do
an
apples-to-apples
comparison
with
a
coded
website
versus
a
snapshot
image
of
a
design,
and
so
that's
one
thing
that
we're
at
right
now.
So
it's
hard
I
can't
show
you
exactly
side
by
side,
but
I
can
give
you
an
idea
of
how
they
both
present
at
a
common
at
a
common
size.
C
But
most
of
this
is
designed
as
Phil
if
needed.
The
actual
website
goes
from
about
right
here
to
about
right
here
that
basically,
the
edge
of
the
owl
that
you
see
the
rest
is
there
is
Phil
in
case
it's
needed
based
upon
the
monitor.
So
when
you
look
at
our
image,
the
same
thing
is
true,
and
it's
hard
to
represent
again
represent
that
in
a
snapshot.
So
are
our
site
goes
from
about
ponts
to
the
edge
of
Florida,
and
then
this
over
here
is
the
is
the
fill
space
so.
A
B
Guess
Tom
in
this
case
it's
a
matter
of
taste,
because
cape
coral
is
very
photographically
centered.
Ours
is
more
artistic
interpretation,
so
I
guess
it's
a
matter
of
taste
and
I.
Think
you
know
at
the
very
beginning,
when
we've
really
looked
at
all
those
different
city
websites,
we
leaned
more
toward
the
artistic,
rendering
type
of
vision
and
I'm
happy
with
it.
So
Kim
I
agree.
G
D
Agree
that
when
I
look
at
the
one
that
our
team
has
put
together,
it
draws
my
attention
to
the
content
into
the
photo
and
it
is
a
goal
to
make
this
very
visitor
orient
and
it
is,
it
will
be
utilitarian,
but
it
is.
Google
has
proven
that
city
websites
are
the
most
trusted
websites,
so
when
people
do
an
internet
search
on
punta
gorda,
the
first
thing
that
comes
up
is
the
city
website
visitor
resident
whatever
so
making
our
website
visitor
friendly
is
a
really
important
thing
and
so
I
think
it's.
It
is
achieve
the
goals.
E
This
achieves
the
goals
and
I
think
that
versus
the
Cape
Coral
I
think
this
represents
more
the
personality
of
our
city.
Is
it
as
I
think
I
mentioned
a
couple
times
before
I
love
the
difficulty.
I
have
making
a
decision
when
I'm
coming
over
the
bridge
and
41
towards
foot
to
gorda
and
I
have
to
decide
whether
I
take
the
first
right
for
the
second
right
and
that
to
me
this
this
site
fits
into
that
kind
of
concept.
E
C
C
B
F
C
If
I
can
address
that,
one
thing
that
that
we,
you
do
lose
some
resolution
on
the
screen
when
you
take
a
snapshot
and
turn
it
into
a
jpeg,
which
is
what
these
these
images
are.
They
are
a
single
frame
picture,
and
so
we
will
have
the
capability
when
they
take
our
design
and
that's
where
we're
at
in
the
process.
Right
now
is
we
need
to
give
them
a
design
before
they'll
put
any
further
work
into
the
coding
and
the
development
of
the
site
we
can.
We
will
stay
on
top
of
the
clarity
of
the
text.
C
I
think
you'll
see
the
tech.
The
clarity
of
the
text
will
improve
when
it's
changed
from
a
snapshot
image
to
the
actual
website.
You
will
see
some
improvement
in
the
text
there,
but
we
will
watch
that
very
closely
and
make
sure
that
that
we're
satisfied
in
the
the
quality
of
the
readability
of
it
as
well
and.
C
This
this
site,
though
these
three
all
had
larger
text.
They
had
increased
the
font.
They
had
increased
the
size
of
the
the
words
on
the
buttons
on
the
right
hand,
side
so
they've
already
made
made
11
move.
I
think
that
some
of
the
lack
of
clarity
is
just
that.
If
I,
if
I
zoom
the
site
in
a
little
bit,
I
mean
if.
G
C
D
B
D
I
H
J
J
Mitch
Boston
again
for
the
record,
our
design
as
a
planner
I'm,
going
to
talk
to
take
a
little
bit
of
Liberty
here
and
talk
about
the
history
of
Harbor
walk
west
as
as
a
planning
project.
When
we
talk
about
harborwalk
West
internally,
some
people
may
not
know
what
we're
talking
about
we're
talking
about
Gilcrest
park
and
three
parks
to
the
west,
stretching
to
Fisherman's
Village,
which
are
shreve
pittman
and
Alice.
J
The
original
concept
for
harborwalk
was,
from
the
two
thousand
east
side
in
downtown
planning
study
of
this
community
redevelopment
agency
of
the
city,
so
that
is
15
years
ago
was
the
first
time
pencil
was
put
to
paper
on
this
project.
However,
it
was
really
not
until
2009-2010
when
we
really
started
moving
forward
with
design
and
engineering
work
in
the
intervening
years.
J
2011
through
present,
we've
started
to
pull
some
pieces
out
and
do
some
actual
construction
on
that
park
and
the
the
construction
plans
for
area
one
are
in
the
approval
process
by
FDA
too
so
just
funding
wise
there.
The
project
is
estimated,
and
this
is
an
engineering
costs
of
estimates
of
approximately
six
and
a
half
a
million
dollars,
total
of
that
approximately
1.7
million
as
federal
funds,
the
balance
being
local
sales
infrastructure,
surtax
funding
and
things
that
we've
already
constructed.
J
We
have
almost
1.7
million
dollars
in
federal
funds
that
will
be
available
beginning
next
fiscal
year
for
FDOT,
which
is
july
of
16,
and
that
section
is
from
Gilchrist's
are
from
Harvey
to
gill
street
and
it
sort
of
yours
over
towards
the
pond
statue
at
the
Harbor,
and
that
will
include
improvements
from
the
seawall
inland
all
the
way
through
the
red,
Esplanade
right
of
way
so
walkways
pavilions
parking
landscaping,
the
plan,
the
the
conceptual
image
that
you
see
there.
That's
that's
actually
from
that
2009-2010
time
frame.
J
There
were
no
conceptual
include
beyond
that
initial
that
would
have
ever
been
included
in
the
engineering
design
contract.
So
I
don't
have
any
really
pretty
pictures
to
show
you
other
than
those
that
were
produced.
Then
there
are
some
technical
design
changes,
but
the
overarching
idea
is
present
in
terms
of
these
concepts
as
to
what's
on
the
final
engineering
book,
that's
construction.
G
J
There
well,
the
the
extent
of
the
federal
project
is
the
the
landing
proper
of
the
park.
Ok,
once
the
federal
project
is
done,
we
will
probably
need
to
as
a
city
go
back
in
there
and
figure
out
the
full
extent
of
our
easement
area
with
the
hotel
and
make
sure
that
our
connection
is
a
lot
of
percent.
Lining
up
I
believe
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
sort
of
a
shift
gap
as
as
the
design
for
that
project
is
older
than
the
design
for
phase
one
area.
J
B
J
J
D
J
B
J
F
J
I
can
show
you
right
here,
so
this
is
just
Harvey
to
Gill,
and
this
segment
again
is
federally
funded
in
area.
2.
We've
broken
it
up
into
really
three
pieces,
there's
an
area
to
A
to
B
and
then
the
the
kittyland,
but
that
perpendicular
parking
will
carry
down
through
and
the
currently
design
plans
through
area
2a,
which
basically
an
earlier
to
be
which
gets
you
down
to
the
bay
front,
sir
okay.
So
this
area
to
a
and
B
is
from
gill
street
all
the
way
down
to
bury.
J
J
J
J
H
B
G
I
G
Area
of
to
me
and
I've
had
this
conversation
with
Howard
is
a
just
as
a
family
area.
I
mean
it's
on
the
water,
we're
talking
about
potentially
having
an
activity
center
where
the
boat
club
is
right
now
just
kind
of
thinking
about
the
whole.
You
know
elements
that
would
go
in
there
and
talking
to
the
people
in
the
neighborhood.
That's
my
neighborhood.
G
People
would
love
to
see
the
basketball
courts
go
away
and
volleyball
courts
go
in.
You
would
have
the
activity
center,
hopefully
maybe
have
paddle
boards
there
and
sunfish
and
lasers,
or
something
where
you
could
have
that
go
rent
a
boat
or
you
could
be
a
member
of
it,
and
hopefully
the
new
boat
sailing
club
will
manage
that
I
like
the
idea
of
having
parking
down
there.
You
know
you
have
Fisherman's
Village
to
me
and
your
might
think
this
is
kind
of
crazy,
but
I
even
said
to
Howard.
What
do
you
think
about
making
beretta?
G
You
know
one
way
or
just
making
read
out
one
lane
and
making
a
bike
lane
in
there.
So
it's
a
very
slow-moving
street
where
you
have
lots
of
pedestrian
traffic
where
they
can
walk
from
Fisherman's
Village
down
to
the
park
and
have
all
of
these
activities
that
are
going
on
just
throwing
it
out
there
I.
F
Of
the
questions
that
I
have
is
the
the
sidewalk
there's
open
you
we're
proposing
to
just
have
one
sidewalk
as
opposed
to
what
we
currently
have
correct.
I
mean
I,
typically
ride
my
bike
in
that
area
and
when
I
see
people
on
the
sidewalk
I
just
eat
or
around
the
other
pathway,
that's
there
closer
to
the
mangroves
and
it
allows
my
pedestrians
and
bikes
to
pass
each
other
without
incident.
So
the
idea
that
that
Kim
brings
up
is
maybe
something
to
consider.
F
G
Might
be
a
good
idea
to
look
ahead,
I
mean
we
have
when
you're.
You
know
I'm
on
that
street
and
when
you
will
see
cars
coming
down
there
and
and
a
lot
of
people
want
to
drive
down
that
street
and
race
around
shreve
and
then
they're
going
to
Fisherman's
Village.
When
it's
the
purpose
of
driving
down.
There
is
to
be
able
to
look
at
the
water,
and
so
but
they're
going
fast
and
they're
passing.
G
And
then
we
have
exactly
what
Tom's
saying
we
have
the
actual
cyclist
who
are
on
the
street
and
they're
trying
to
ride
their
bike.
And
then
we
have
the
people
who
are
walking
and
you
know,
walking
their
dogs
and
that
type
of
thing
and
I
just
I,
just
see
it
as
one
of
those
streets
that
it
should
be
our
street.
That
people
talk
about.
When
we
have
a
million
and
a
half
people
at
Fisherman's,
Village
I
mean
they.
G
A
D
F
A
J
Segments
of
Retta
Esplanade
in
the
recent
discussion
regarding
the
the
revision
of
the
briefs,
Brook
Street
ordinance
of
the
city,
sections
of
red
Esplanade,
were
added
to
that.
So
that
may
be
another
mechanism
whereby
we
get
that
traffic
calming.
We
get
that
old
floor
to
feel
reinforce
the
historic
nature
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
park,
and
will
that
out.
Certainly
the
bicycle
traffic
would
be
concern
with
working
those
streets.
J
There
are
methodologies
whereby
you
can
actually
put
in
like
I've
seen
in
other
cities,
where
they
actually
put
a
five
foot
wide
strip
of
concrete
down
the
middle
of
the
lane,
the
travel
lane
and
they
designate
that
with
sharrows
and
that's
where
the
bicycles
go.
But
if
you're
in
a
car
you're
going
to
be
driving
on
the
bricks,
so
you're
automatically
traffic.
A
D
There
were
a
lot
of
ideas
that
were
offered
in
those
clips
that
you
provided
that
we
look
talked
about
our
last
meeting
from
the
walkable
communities
that
show
that
some
communities
have
taken
one
way
streets
and
turned
them
into
two
way
streets.
But
they
narrowed
the
streets
and
all
kinds
of
ideas
that
might
make
it
more
of
a
casual
like.
B
G
B
B
H
H
This
was
done
years
ago
with
a
previous
council,
ok
and
and
that's
fine,
but
if
we
are
going
to
change
the
activities,
the
basic
activities,
I'm
not
talking
about
the
activity
center,
now
basic
components
of
area
to
that's
what
we're
talking
about
we
should.
We
would
probably
want
to
know
that
sooner
than
later,
so
we
confirm
it
agree.
A
F
I
know:
harborwalk
is
a
component
that
I've
mentioned
here
before
that
council
meeting
I
think
that
we
have.
We
have
a
hobble
war
that
is
now
right
along
the
water,
with
with
no
shade
or
very
little
shade
palm
trees.
Really
don't
do
it
and
I
have
a
concern
with
that
and
I'd
like
to
show
some
pictures
of
what
the
hard
work
over
in
jupiter
beach
has
has
done.
F
If
we
could
put
that
on
the
based
on
to
make
the
walk
on
the
harbor
a
little
protected
from
from
this
from
the
Sun,
maybe
we
have
we
have
about
1200
fetus.
Other
people
are
going
to
be
traveling
back
and
forth
with
no
place
to
get
out
of
the
out
of
the
shade.
They
have
installed
pergolas,
maybe
every
50
feet,
or
maybe
every
100
feet
or
whatever
the
distance
is
exactly.
I
don't
recall,
but
it
gives
you
a
respite
from
from
the
Sun
as
you're
walking
alongside
the
harbor.
E
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
relative
to
Kim's
concept
of
making
one
way
street.
There
are
a
number
of
communities
wanted
that
I
used
to
live
in
Glen,
Ellen
Illinois,
but
specifically
did
have
these
one-way
streets
over
across
home
park,
and
they
were
typically
in
the
upscale
historic
areas.
But
the
park
had
this
incredible
diversity
and
it
works
very,
very
well
if
we
were
to
go
down
this
part
I
think
that
we
could
do
some
research
and
find
out
that
I
think
it
would
fit
very
well
and
I.
E
Quite
frankly,
don't
ever
remember
going
west
down
that
Street
army
East
down
that
street
I've
always
gone
west
to
get
time
open
because
of
that
drive
and
I.
Think
that
that's
the
way
I'd
want
to
see
the
one-way
street
go
obviously
like
that
I
think
it
has
a
great
ambiance
potential
to
us
for
the
city
and
for
the
neighbor.
B
H
You
know
I
I
also
live
in
that
neighborhood
and
I
see
cars
both
ways,
people
from
a
lot
of
people
from
the
PGI
area
when
they
come
on
down,
they
take
a
left,
punch,
shreve
and
then
a
right
on
red
up
and
they
head
on
out
and
I
see
it
coming
over
the
bridge.
They
didn't
a
credit
coming
back
I,
that's
going
to
be
an
interesting
decision
on
if
we
go
one
way
which
way
I.
D
I'll
introduce
another
thought,
and
that
is
that
we
have
a
hotel
commercial
structure
there.
You
can't.
If
we
were
to
make
that
a
one-way
street
heading
west,
you
would
not
be
able
to
get
to
the
waterfront
hotel
unless
you
came
over
the
bridge
or
you
came
up
across
Retta
Esplanade
and
crossed
41,
so
that
would
that
would
impede
it
couldn't
do
it.
That's.
G
D
G
D
I
would
agree
with
Tom
in
the
in
the
concept
of
shade
shade
structures,
because
I
know
I'm
back
in
two
thousand
eight
when
I
was
a
part
of
team
finna
gourd
and
we
made
a
waterfront
master
plan
recommendation
to
the
city.
We
included
shade
structure.
We
said
that's
an
element
that
that
we
need
along
the
harbor,
walk
and
so
and
throughout
our
city,
actually
to
make
it
more
walkable
to
include
shade
structures,
their
shade
elements,
somehow.
J
There
is
actually
a
historic
precedent
associated
with
the
hotel
Charlotte
Harbor.
There
were
a
couple
of
shape,
pavilions
along
their
waterfront,
and
I
believe
the
one
in
Gilcrest
plug
at
that
time.
So
we're
talking
about
1920s
Oh
talking
about
the
1920s,
but
any
any
structures
that
that
budget
number
of
that
six
and
a
half
million
dollars
you're
talking
about
cost
increases.
Those
are
added.
It's
more
money.
H
B
H
A
F
B
F
A
F
Fine,
it's
been
brought
to
my
attention
by
the
boat
is
alliance
that
they're
they're
seeing
a
lot
of
wave
action
in
the
area
that
is
doing.
Potentially,
that
is
doing
and
has
potential
for
doing
some
damage
to
our
docks
and
floats
in
there,
and
there
was
a
suggestion
made
that
possibly
we
look
into
a
breakwater
in
that
area
that
could
help.
F
The
reduce
the
damage
and
it's
about
the
docks
and
the
small
boats
that
are
or
the
tie
up
there
from
time
to
time,
I
was
told
that
there
is
some
breakwater
currently
in
the
area
and
that
it
might
be
possible
just
to
add
to
that,
to
make
it
more
functional
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
to
see.
If
we
wanted
to
look
into
it,
the.
H
H
If
you
want
us
to
look
at
that,
we
can
and
come
back
to
you
with
what
we've
come
up
with,
but
we
need
direction
from
you.
That's
that's!
That's
another
project
that
that
we
would
we
would
get
into
if
you
want
public
works.
To
take
a
look
at
that.
We
are
more
than
welcome
to
do
that,
but
we
would
need
direction.
I
mean.
B
G
F
Something
we
would
need
to
look
look
into
with
the
recommendation
came
forward
as
a
way
to
minimize
or
mitigate
the
damage
to
the
to
the
floats
and
docks
that
we
have
there
right
now
and
also-
and
you
get
the
taking
a
beating
when
we
have,
and
also
to
make
it
more
attractive,
perhaps
to
some
of
the
the
sailing,
the
sailing
clubs
to
bring
your
boats
over
there
and
and
use
that
area.
So
I
think.
If
we
look
into
it
and
come
up
with
a
cost,
we
can
always
once
we've
done
that
we
can
always
decide.
B
F
B
I
For
the
record,
Rick,
kini
and
I
did
bring
some
historical
drawings
with
me.
If
you
want
to
see
him
today
or
we
do
it
for
another
meeting,
but
there
were
some
breakwaters
there
historically
and
then
in
the
70s
there
were
some
other
breakwaters
permitted,
but
we're
never
constructed
I'm,
not
really
sure
or
by
who
maybe
the
boat
club.
So
we
got
again,
we
got
some
historical
drawings.
We
got
some
things
that
were
permitted.
It
would
be
happy
to
put
that
together
and
show
you.
I
B
G
D
I
B
J
Again,
mitchell
austin
urban
design,
currently
there's
a
sidewalk
project
for
a
vasco
Baynard,
and
that
is
from
aqui
esta
in
the
south
north
along
baynard,
along
vasco
connecting
to
the
monte
sidewalk
and
then
along
Sri
Street,
connecting
to
the
shoe
Street
mert
at
pompano,
Terrace,
Airport,
Road
intersection,
so
that
the
project
is
out
there.
It's
a
current
capital
improvement
project.
Also.
Currently
there
is
a
lighting
project
along
US
41
from
aqui
esta
northward,
along
41
on
the
east
on
the
west
side
of
the
right-of-way.
J
Excuse
me
to
that
same
airport,
road
pompano,
Terrace
intersection
that
is
currently
funded
for
approximately
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
just
under
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
I'm,
seeing
those
two
projects
and
their
proximity
to
each
other,
they're
literally
one
block
off
they're,
benefiting
the
businesses
primarily
along
US
41.
The
purpose
for
that
Sidewalk
connection
is
to
connect
people
to
those
businesses
that
are
on
the
western
side
of
us.
41
and
again,
lighting
is
for
safety.
That
is
a
lighting
gap.
J
Oh,
that's
the
one
of
the
few
areas
that
is
not
lit
on
you
41
in
the
city,
so
the
proposal
that
staff
wants
City
Council
direction
on
is
to
combine
our
sidewalk
project
funding
with
that
lighting
project
funding,
potentially
getting
more
bang
for
the
buck.
So
for
approximately
three
quarters
of
a
million
dollars,
we
would
get
decorative
street
lighting
associated
with
a
multi-use
recreational
trail
style
facility.
So
a
minimum
of
8
foot
wide
sidewalk,
it
will
probably
end
up
being
10
or
12
to
meet
fdot
standards
is.
J
Lights,
yes,
the
lights
would
would
be
decorative
to
match,
so
they
would.
They
would
be
the
city
standard
as
currently
initiated
by
FDA
T,
and
this
funding
amount
is
really
talking
about
hi
masked
highway
style
lighting,
spun
aluminum,
poles,
35
feet
in
height,
LED
fixtures
and
all
the
associated
electrical
work
with
that.
So
those
would
be
lights
that
we
would
have
to
contract
with
charlotte
county
to
maintain,
as
we
do
all
the
other
highway
with
style
lighting
in
the
city.
J
So
the
proposal
and
forgive
the
the
quick
nature
of
sketching
nature
of
this
image,
so
the
proposal
would
be
that
the
the
lighting
and
the
path
primary
would
go
along
US
41.
We
have,
of
course,
the
addition.
The
existing
sidewalk
segment,
that
was
that
was
built
by
Monte's
to
facilitate
their
development,
and
we
would
propose
there's
actually
a
sri
street
right-of-way
extension
that
was
closed
when
they
for
lend
us
41.
J
B
J
B
H
Basically,
this
is
a
basic
policy
decision.
The
way
we
understand
it
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
yes,
that
in
order
for
us
to
garner
the
lap
funding
the
federal
F,
not
funding
for
those
decorative
lights
along
41,
they
are
requiring
us
requiring
us
to
put
in
some
time
of
a
sidewalk
mert
correctly.
Yes,
okay,
we
don't
have
to
do
that.
We
don't
need
to
accept
the
grant
funds
if
we
still
want
to
do
our
own
local
project
along
the
backside
of
the
buildings
on
babe
a
nerd.
So
it's
either.
H
We
take
the
current
project
and
stay
the
course
or
we
take
advantage
of
the
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
federal
lap
funding
to
put
in
the
decorative
lights
along
that
section
of
41
in
front
of
the
buildings
and
put
in
a
mert
or
side
well,
probably
aware
recommending
a
murder.
Yes,
yes,
we
will
have
Mertz
on
both
sides
of
41
what
we
have
found
for
some
reason.
We
still
see
folks
writing
their
bicycles.
H
J
H
B
Think
it
makes
sense,
but
I
have
issues
with
it
because
of
all
the
conflicts
with
the
driveways
I
foresee
cyclist,
serious
cyclist
using
it
like
they
use
the
other
side,
and
you
know
that
our
population
here,
especially
in
the
winter
months,
you
know
it's
hard
enough
pulling
in
and
out
of
these
businesses,
but
now
you're
going
to
be
conflicted
with
the
bicycle
traffic
as
well.
The
pedestrian
traffic
I'm
not
so
worried
about
its
the
bicycle
traffic.
B
So
unless
we're
going
to
put
up
the
little
stop
signs
on
the
MIRT
like
we
have
on
the
linear
parks,
I
I,
don't
know,
I
see
it
as
a
safety
issue,
because
who
really
has
the
right-of-way?
There
I
mean
the
cyclists,
have
the
right
away
to
cross
in
front
of
in
front
of
the
cars
leaving
the
dunkin
donut
I
mean.
Do
we
have
to
put
a
bar
now
on
the
dunkin
donut
driveway,
so
that
people
know
to
stop
to
look
for
the
bike?
A
G
What
you
said
happens
all
the
time
people
are
riding
their
bike
down
there,
they're
going
to
dunkin
donuts
they're,
going
to
the
other
coffee
shop
they're
going
to
the
businesses
in
there
I
I
mean
I.
Think
this
is
a
great
idea,
but
also
I
have
that
concern
to
about
the
driveways
I
mean.
Maybe
we
could
direct
bicyclists
to
go
across
to
the
other
side.
Somehow
I
mean
unless
you're
just
going
into
one
of
those
businesses
which
is
very
busy
in
the
morning.
It's
well
any
time
of
day
I
mean
dunk.
G
D
I
would
agree,
I'm
conflicted
on
this
when
I
think
about
how
our
city
is
evolving
and
the
need
to
put
lighting
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
And
if
I
look
at
us
41
from
the
central
city
coming
on
south,
there
are
sidewalks
on
the
sides
of
us
41.
So
it's
it's
logical
that
as
we
mature
that
we
would
want
to
have
some
kind
of
sidewalk
type
thing
on
both
sides
of
the
street
someday.
It
may
go
on
both
sides,
all
the
way
down,
41
to
burn
store
meadows,
so
I
any.
D
While
we
might
think
it's
a
duplication,
I
mean
that's
the
way
it
is
in
there
in
the
city.
On
the
other
hand,
I
agree
with
what
Rachel
said
about
the
amount
of
traffic
coming
off
of
41
I'm
concerned
people
coming
off
of
41
all
of
a
sudden
they're
turning
onto
the
business
and
there's
a
cyclist
coming
across
and
cyclists,
don't
I
just
I
watched
them,
I,
see
them
not
watching
out
for
what
traffic
is
coming
and
I
see
that
the
Baynard
Vasco
sidewalk
alternative
is
a
much
safer
alternative
and
I
would
not
want.
D
B
E
Safety
issue
that
we're
talking
about,
I
think,
there's
a
serious
issue.
The
question
would
that
it's
not
resolved
in
my
mind,
and
this
is
something
I
think
that
we
would
have
to
turn
over
to
staff.
To
kind
of
equate
for
us
is,
you
already
probably
are
having
a
safety
issue,
because
the
bicycles
are
using
41
now,
so
the
question
the
question
would
be
is,
if
you
put
it
behind
the
businesses,
will
the
cyclists
really
use
that
some
of
them
will
probably
many
of
them?
Won't?
E
On
the
other
hand,
if
you
put
their
your
your
path,
along
with
the
line,
the
decorative
lighting
here,
it's
going
to
be
attractive.
It's
going
to
be
good
for
the
businesses,
it's
easier
access
and
no
to
those
businesses
for
the
bicyclist.
Does
that
make
the
safety
issue
more
manageable
and
if
they're
writing
on
41
itself,
I
think
that's
part
of
the
question
of
the
equation.
Yes,
there
may
be
a
safety
issue
here,
but
it
may
be,
it
may
or
may
not
be
a
more
or
less
of
a
safety
issue
with
what's
occurring,
I.
B
J
That's
not
typical
engineering
practice.
I
would
say
that
from
a
design
perspective
by
putting
the
path
out
there
we're
providing
the
opportunity
for
that
pathway
to
be
engineered
for
safety,
so
there
may
be
design
considerations
on
a
multi-use
recreational
trail
on
this
western
side
of
us
41
with
the
business
access
that
we
didn't
take
and
have
to
take
into
account
on
the
other
side,
because
there
were
no
driveway.
Conflicts
are
very
limited,
driveway
conflicts,
so
that
pathway
has
a
completely
different
character.
That's
really
it's
almost
like
a
trail
through
the
countryside.
J
H
A
K
K
With
the
MIRT
with
the
portions
of
the
MIRT,
the
law
within
mandate
that
they
ride
on
the
MER,
it
is
technically
by
state
definition.
It
qualifies
as
a
bike
lane.
It
is
a
portion
of
the
roadway
separate
from
a
bicycle
lane.
So
if
that's,
what
we're
seeing
out
there,
the
simple
solution
is
enforcement
will
simply
educate
them
and
make
sure
that
they
are
riding
on
the
Merc
during
that
portion.
So
if
that's
the,
if
that's
the
only
issue
here,
then
enforcement
is
obviously
the
solution,
but.
H
K
D
Then,
how
do
we
address
the
issue
of
people
vehicles
coming
at
40
miles
an
hour
that
are
going
to
be
turning
right
into
a
business
where
there
is
no
DSL
lane?
Is
that
what
we
would
call
it
in
order?
So
they're
really
coming
at
40
miles
an
hour
and
they're
slowing
down,
probably
in
the
lane
of
traffic
but
they're?
Turning
in
sure.
A
D
K
Definitely
concern
I
mean
absent
of
finding
a
long
term
solution
for
that
I
mean
which
I
think
we
have
I
think
the
MER
is
the
long-term
solution
to
providing
that
save
avenue
of
travel.
It's
just
an
enforcement
problem,
I
guess
or
the
lack
of
enforcement
I.
Guess
it
understanding
that
the
transient
visitors
he
we're
going
to
have
to
it's
going
to
have
to
be
on
a
continuous
basis,
so
I
mean
in
an
educational
push,
we'll
have
to
just
be
a
constant
in.