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A
Item
that
we
moved
up,
which
is
the
marion
avenue
at
golfview
road
safety
upgrade,
and
I
guess
what
we'll
do
first
is.
We
will
allow
public
comment
on
that.
I
would
like
you
to
come
to
the
podium.
It
will
not
be
a
question
and
answer
discussion.
It
will
be
a
public
comment.
You
can
state
your
name,
you
can
make
your
comments.
You
will
have
three
minutes.
So
if
you'd
like
to
speak
on
the
marion
avenue
a
golf
view,
road
safety
upgrade
make
your
way
to
the
podium.
Now,
please,
you
don't
have
to
run.
B
I
know
studies
have
been
done
regarding
the
speed
on
that
street
and
what
I
notice
is
that
there's
always
the
speed
monitor
in
that
one:
open
space,
you've
just
come
off
of
a
curve
and
you've
also
sometimes
had
a
red
light.
Those
cars
are
not
going
to
be
speeding
when
they
hit
the
area
where
they
have
that
sign.
B
B
I
don't
know
that
the
meridian's
there
it's
a
plain
blank,
yellow
sign.
I
will
contribute
the
black
electrical
tape
to
put
an
intersection
sign
on
that
plain,
yellow
thing.
If,
if
that
will
help,
I
noticed
that
there's
those
large
balustrades
on
the
bridges
that
are
huge.
I
don't
know
why
someone
thinks
you'd
hit
a
pedestrian
on
a
bridge
as
a
post
on
a
regular
sidewalk,
but
if
these
those
could
be
made
so
that
you
could
see
through
them,
you
could
maybe
see
the
tires
of
a
car.
B
Coming
over
that
bridge,
a
lot
of
people
that
I
talk
to
are
against
a
speed
bump.
It's
bad
for
boats,
it's
bad
for
noise,
but
I
had
an
aha
moment
in
that.
If
you
could
put
a
stop
sign
at
the
beginning
of
the
bridge
on
each
side
before
you're
going
over
the
bridge,
that
gives
no
one
enough
time
to
be
speeding
very
fast
when
they're
coming
over
the
bridge,
so
that
at
least
we
have
reaction
time.
C
Good
morning
my
name
is
paul:
flescher
2135,
bayview
road.
Speaking
on
the
same
agenda
item.
That's
a
tough
corner!
We've
been
here
for
four
and
a
half
years.
I
guess
now
it's
a
bit
of
a
leap
of
faith,
so
you
take
a
look.
You
make
sure
everything's
clear
and
when
it
comes
time
to
go,
you
have
to
step
on
it
real
hard
because
there's
just
no
reaction
time
with
people
coming
across
that
bridge
really
fast.
C
C
I
understood
that
a
resident
put
the
mirror
up
and
then
it
got
taken
down,
but
that
was
a
very
helpful
aid,
so
it
gives
you
a
bit
more
a
bit
more
lead
time
to
decide
whether
to
go
or
not,
but
not
sure
what
the
best
solution
is
other
than
it
is
a
problem.
Just
don't
want
to
see
a
bad
accident
there.
Thank
you.
D
A
D
No
I'm
don
wheatley.
I
live
at
2165
bayview
for
the
past
11
years,
or
so
I
can't
say
what
the
solution
is,
but
I
can
say
this:
I've
worked
in
craft
crash
safety.
I've
got
about
five
patents
of
crash
safety.
I've
worked
with
the
guys
going
to
the
morgue
and
watching
seeing
what
happens
to
people
on
accidents.
Side
side
impacts
the
worst.
If
you
try
to
design
for
it,
you've
got
that
much
space
to
stop
somebody
only
40
miles
an
hour.
D
D
D
We
got
to
get
the
speed
down
whatever
you
do.
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
this
gentleman's
going
to
talk
with,
but
you've
got
to
get
your
speed
down,
because
that
that
extra
energy
means
it's
twice
as
big
distance
to
stop.
It
means
there's
twice
the
energy
that
you're
going
to,
which
means
you're,
twice:
intrusion
in
the
guy's
car
when
you're
t-boned
them,
which
means
somebody's
going
to
get
killed,
and
that's
all
I
got
to
say
thank.
E
D
F
E
G
G
A
H
Trudy
fletcher
2135
baby
road.
I
just
wanted
to
just
make
an
observation,
and
that
is
in
our
in
our
neighborhood.
We
have
a
lot
of
senior
people,
and
so
their
reaction
time
and
their
judgment
is,
is
a
little
bit
slower
than
what
some
of
the
other
areas
in
the
town
might
be.
So
I
think
that
particular
area
needs
a
little
bit
more
consideration
in
some
of
the
other
areas,
because
it
is
a
different
population.
It
is
specific
needs.
H
I
have
a
couple
neighbors
that
I'm
particularly
concerned
about,
because
I've
seen
them
hesitate,
some
of
them.
Actually,
if
you
can
see
where
the
number
20
is
they
actually
more
often
not
maybe
take
the
right
and
go
down
the
street
and
then
come
back
down
around
come
back
again
because
they
just
don't
feel
comfortable,
but
they
can
actually
make
it
into
the
intersection
before
people
come
leaping
over
top
of
the
bridge.
You
really
cannot
see.
H
I
Good
morning
I'm
trisha
lansing
live
on
bayou
road
coming
out
gulf
view
road.
Frequently
I
go
back
and
forth
very
often
you
you
already
know
how
danger
it
is.
We
were
very
recently
in
fort
lauderdale
and
there
were
speed
bumps
now,
not
the
kind
we
have
going
down
west,
not
the
very
steep
ones,
but
I
wish
I
had
a
picture
of
them.
I
A
J
The
what
you
saw
in
fort
lauderdale
are
called
speed,
humps,
they're,
much
more
gradual,
see
them
all
over
the
they're
all
over,
maybe
not
in
puna
gorda
per
se,
but
but
they're
very
for
popular.
It's
not
a
speed
bump
like
we
have
at
the
vasco
people's
bridge,
but
speed,
humps
and
they're
much
more
gradual.
K
Good
morning,
mark
gehring
public
works
a
couple
weeks
ago.
We
were
here
brought
this
issue
to
you,
and
you
asked
me
to
go
back
and
come
up
with
some
options.
Look
at
some
different
things.
We
looked
at
a
number
of
different
things
spoke
with
the
folks
at
the
county.
What
they're
doing
their
worst
situations,
the
one
that
they
pointed
us
to
was
coosley
drive
at
edgewater?
K
I
visited
I
go
through
there
every
day,
but
they
happen
to
mention
that
as
being
the
worst
one
that
is
every
bit
or
worse
than
what
we
have
here.
They
have
just
a
blinking
ball
telling
you
that
there's
an
intersection
ahead
with
the
cross
on
it.
This
is
a
bad
intersection,
bad
design,
there's
no
doubt
about
it.
The
week
that
this
bridge
was
opened,
I
believe,
was
1991.
K
K
The
problem
is
the
speeders,
the
those
that
are
not
following
the
law.
Those
are
the
ones
that
cause
the
problem.
If
you're,
if
the
vehicle
is
approaching
at
30
miles
per
hour,
comes
through
the
intersection,
you've
got
ample
time
to
clear
the
intersection
if
you're
leaving
a
bay
view.
So
what
we've
looked
at
all
the
different
options,
we're
coming
back
with
the
recommendation
that
we
set
up
the
20
mile
per
hour,
speed
zone,
as
shown
in
the
diagram
here,
we
do
have
the
option.
K
If
we
could
they
make
the
blinking
signs
that
we
have
around
town
a
few
other
locations
to
make
them
high
visibility.
We
can
add
these
ahead
to
make
it
a
little
more
well
known,
get
the
the
driver's
attention
try
to
get
them
to
slow
down.
We
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
the
speed
bump
or
speed
humps
that
we,
like
we
put
in
down
at
the
third
bridge.
K
A
L
You
just
make
that
standard.
Once
you
get
past
the
apex
of
going
over
this
bridge,
when
you're
going
over
the
bridge,
we
have
several
different
types
of
impedance
to
line
sight.
One
was
the
the
barriers
that
are
on
the
side,
have
a
certain
amount
of
impedement,
also
as
debbie
had
mentioned,
and
also
when
you're
going
up
a
bridge
you're
looking
up
over
your
hood
and
you're,
not
starting
to
get
any
sight
to
what's
coming
on.
This
is
when
you're
on
marion
until
you
reach
that
apex
and
actually
start
down
a
little
bit.
L
It's
not
it's
one
thing
to
post
the
speed
limit
and
I
do
think
we
need
to
do
that
in
my
estimation,
but
there's
also
needs
to
be
ways
to
make
it
more
people
more
aware
of
what
they
should
be
doing
in
that
speed,
and
one
way
is
speed.
Humps,
as
I
recall
when
we
spoke
about
this
before
there
were
complaints
about
the
speed.
Is
that
a
bump
or
a
hump
over
a
bump?
That's
okay!
That's
a
bump!
J
L
Okay
and
that
intersection
is
a
little
bit
similar
other
than
what
it
has
to
his
advantage.
Is
it's
a
two-lane
highway
instead
of
a
divided
four-lane
highway?
That's
one
of
the
problems
that
we
have
here,
but
then
it
has
going
against
it.
Is
you
actually
have
a
crosswalk
against
that,
where
we
don't
have
in
any
of
these,
these
intersections
so
they're
not
the
same,
but
it's
easier
to
go
fast
on
a
wide,
four-lane,
autobahn
type
of
road,
and
I'm
thinking
that's
an
exaggeration.
L
I
realized,
but
just
versus
a
narrower
lane,
two-lane
road
where
you'll
tend
to
not
go
as
fast
in
general
anyway.
So
I'm
asking
that
we
we
addressed
this.
If
it
would
be
my
preference,
it
would
be
a
15
mile,
an
hour
speed
limit
just
because
of
the
5.5
second
rule
and
some
aspects
to
not
only
post
speed
limit
but
to
calm
that
speed
intentionally
other
than
just
a
a
sign
itself
and
a
speed.
Hump,
I
think,
would
be
one
of
the
one
of
the
technologies
that
we
might
be
able
to
employ.
A
K
E
A
M
A
M
K
N
Okay,
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
we
need
to
reduce
the
speed
limit
down
to
15
miles
an
hour
and
to
put
something
in
the
roadway
just
to
calm
that
speed,
be
it
a
a
speed,
hump
or
I
would
actually
prefer
a
speed.
Hump
I'd,
rather
listen
to
a
complaint
from
a
resident
about
a
speed,
hump
and
see
somebody
wind
up
in
a
hospital
from
a
crash.
A
J
O
I,
whether
it's
15
or
20,
I
think
I
preferred
a
lot
I'll
leave
that
up
to
the
professionals
that
are
that
are
know
more
about
that.
But
I
I
do
I've
had
residents
tell
me
that
they
feel
that
just
as
slow
as
a
one
sign
there
isn't
going
to
slow
anybody
down
and
if
we're
going
to
have
just
a
sign
that
a
flashing
sign
would
be
much
better.
O
K
A
O
O
L
O
L
Think
you
know
it's
something
that
market
pointed
out
last
week,
there's
only
one
speed
limit
sign
between
41
and
the
and
the
second
bridge.
So
a
little
bit
more
signage
is
going
to
help.
But
the
idea
is
is
to
get
people
to
pay
attention
to
the
signing
and
that's
what
the
the
calming
whether
it's
a
table.
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
a
a
bump,
but
it's
like
you're
driving
down
a
road
and
if
you
hit
a
small
pothole,
it
wakes
you
up.
L
That
would
work
for
me.
Okay,
I
got
a
four-wheel
drive
now,
so
I'm
okay,
but
as
long
as
you're
able
to
get
people
to
pay
attention
to
what
it
is,
you
know
just
to
wake
him
up
a
little
bit.
I
think
that
you'll
see
a
vast
improvement
you're
still
going
to
have
the
guy,
that's
always
going
to.
Unfortunately
you
know
he's
got
you
know
whatever
you
know,
but
that's
going
to
be.
L
L
A
A
P
We
have
three
public
hearings
on
ordinances.
The
first
is
za-01-16
and
I'm
going
to
apologize
ahead
of
time
for
my
voice
and
the
first
is
a
first
reading,
an
ordinance
that
I
read
by
title.
Only:
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
puente
gorda
florida
amending
particular
code,
chapter
26,
land
development
regulations,
article
3
regulating
districts,
section
3.13.
P
U
to
clarify
permitted
encroachments
in
the
special
residential
overlay
district,
amending
article
8
standards
of
general
applicability,
section,
8.14
d,
deleting
reference
to
outdated
terms,
amending
section,
8.14
g,
removing
allowance
for
walls
in
required
yards
prohibiting,
decorative
columns
or
walls
in
required
yards
clarifying,
permitted
location
for
decorative
water
features
in
rear
yards
mining.
Section
8.14,
h,
clarifying
permitted
sidewalk
with
providing
allowance
for
non-permanent,
paver
or
brick
walkways
to
encroach
into
the
required
side,
yard,
remaining
yard,
light
height,
permitted
amending
section,
8.5,
deleting
section
8.5
b5
in
its
entirety
and
renumbering.
F
Good
morning
for
the
record
terry
tubbs
zoning
official,
this
was
brought
forward.
Originally
in
march
of
2015,
it
was
discussed
for
various
yard.
Encroachments
staff
did
move
forward
with
amending
the
ordinance.
As
we
were
directed
the
planning
commission
discussed
it.
They
did
recommend
removing
the
allowance
for
play
equipment
in
the
yard.
However,
section
8.14
is
city-wide.
A
Q
Thank
you,
my
name
is
ray
rose.
I
represent
the
punight
isle
civic
association
last
november
spoke
before
the
board,
particularly
with
the
issue
of
children's
toys,
and
the
issue
was
raised
because
of
a
trampoline
in
the
front
yard
of
a
house
in
puerto
gorta
isles.
At
the
time
we
assumed
that
it
was
within
the
code
that
that
was
not
correct
as
it
turned
out.
It
was
a
permissible
use
because
that's
considered
a
child's
toy
and
there's
I
we
could
find
no
definition
of
what
children's
play
equipment
was.
Q
I
will
say
for
the
special
district
areas,
and
also
perhaps
in
the
historic
district,
you
can't
have
a
real
estate
sign
bigger
than
that
and
to
have
a
trampoline
with
its
cage
or
the
basketball.
Hoops
is
definitely
out
of
place
in
the
community.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration
and
the
privilege
to
talk.
A
N
A
F
A
F
The
artificial
turf
ordinance
was
originally
adopted
in
2009
since
that
time,
but
the
turf
has
become
much
better
and
we
do
have
safeguards
within
the
code
of
certain
levels
of
quality
that
the
turf
has
to
be
maintained
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
it
does
remove
the
requirement
for
special
exception
for
artificial
turf.
A
A
A
A
A
A
Okay:
next,
we
will
take
citizens
comments
on
consent,
agenda
items
only
which
would
be
the
minutes
of
resolution
of
the
charter
review
committee,
legal
services,
fdeo,
competitive
partnership,
grant
law
enforcement,
trust
fund
or
water
systems,
interconnect
transfer
contract
between
the
water
authority
and
the
city.
If
you
would
like
to
speak
on
any
of
those
items,
please
come
to
the
podium.
A
A
Okay,
now
we
will
move
into
the
regular
agenda
and
we
will
take
the
citizens
comments
on
these
items.
Public
works,
sanitate,
sanitation
division
concerns
and
the
supplemental
appropriation
funding
for
the
health
and
wellness
fair,
the
request
for
the
parking
area
for
the
horse-drawn
carriage
those
three
items.
If
we
would
like
to
comment
on
those
three
items
now
would
be
the
time.
A
J
J
J
R
A
R
R
R
R
R
In
fact,
some
of
the
senior
employees
were
the
ones
who
came
to
me
and
said:
can
I
get
out
of
the
pension
that
I'm
in
okay
so
they're?
Not
that
that's
not
a
huge
motivator
for
them
to
have
you
know
for
those
that
are
in
or
those
that
are
in
the
401a,
so
what
we
are
looking
at,
if
whatever
council
decides
to
do
and
and
the
city
manager,
we
have.
This
actually
started
as
a
philosophical
discussion
as
to
whether
we
want
to
look
at
possibly
outsourcing
it
or
what
we
want
to
do.
R
R
Okay,
we're
not
attracting
young
people
to
do
these
jobs,
we're
and
then,
when
we
look
at
years
of
service,
we
have
employees
ranging
in
years
of
service
from
25
down
to
about
10
years,
and
they
don't
want
to
go.
They
don't
want
to
leave
us,
but
the
problem
is
filling
those
that
do
leave
for
whatever
reasons
they
leave,
and
so
we
just
need
to
make
a
decision.
R
Do
we
want
to
leave
things
the
way
they
are?
These
are
really
our
options.
Leave
things
the
way
they
are
carve
them
out,
set
them
up
with
a
different
pace
system,
pay
schedule
to
address,
recruiting
retention,
turnover
or
do
we
want
to
take
it
outside,
and
if
we
keep
it
in-house.
One
of
the
recommendations
I
would
make
because
we're
this
is
our
worst
clump
of
work.
R
So
you
know,
if
we
decide
to
keep
it
in-house,
we
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do.
I
watched
the
county
on
monday
because
they
were
picking
up
my
garbage
that
day
and
they
you
don't
see
anybody
doing
this.
They
you
know
picking
it
up
by
hand
and
throwing
it
in
the
back.
They
have
machines
that
pick
it
up.
Dump
it
in
okay.
Now
the
group
that
services
mine
they
have
two
on
the
truck,
but
the
guy
that
is
in
the
back.
He
is
not
picking
up
anything.
He
is
wheeling
the
card
over.
R
J
So,
first
things:
first,
our
employees
are
underpaid
in
that
division.
When
you
can't
even
compete
with
the
private
sector,
let
alone
the
public
sector
we're
not
even
close.
So
if
we
do
keep
it
in-house,
our
employees
in
that
division
deserve
a
raise.
The
pay
range
needs
to
be
moved
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
attract
people
to
work
in
that
function,
they
are
not
the
highest
paid
folks
in
our
organization.
They
are
not
by
any
means
they
need
a
raise
and
the
pay
range
needs
to
be
more
attractive.
J
J
J
J
In
our
survey
that
we
have
done
that
we
put
out
every
year
we're
already
the
third
highest
when
it
comes
to
our
sanitation
fees.
Now
we
do
do
twice
a
week
collection
we're
not
recommending
going
to
once
a
week.
We
do
do
twice
a
week.
Some
other
areas
do
once
a
week,
so
you
have
to
take
that
into
consideration,
but
even
compared
to
others
that
do
twice
a
week.
J
Increasing
the
pay
range
automating,
our
trucks
is
going
to
further
increase
our
expenses
and
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
keep
the
rate
the
same
as
it
is.
Now
it's
going
to
be
very,
very
difficult,
so
we
need
to
discuss
whether
or
not
we
think
now
is
the
time
to
keep
the
same
level
of
service
twice
a
week.
We're
not
recommending
any
changes
to
that,
and
should
we
look
at
outsourcing.
N
J
N
J
The
reason
I'm
bringing
it
up
well
again:
we
would
keep
to
twice
a
week.
We
would
keep
it
twice
a
week.
We've
been
able
to
hold
our
rates
constant
for
many
many
years.
The
only
reason
we
went
up
this
past
year
was
for
recycling
because
of
the
new
contract,
but
regarding
sanitation
and
regarding
horticulture,
we've
been
able
to
hold
a
line,
but
we're
continuing
to
do
the
service
old
school.
J
J
I
don't
know,
I
don't
see
how
we
can
hold
our
rates
constant
once
all
of
that
occurs,
which
is
then
going
to
keep,
keep
us
further
out
of
we're
going
to
get
further
on
the
high
end
of
the
of
of
what
we're
paying
now.
If
the
folks
are
willing
to
pay
that
we're
fine,
I
mean
that
that's
great,
and
I
know
the
the
community
loves
the
service
we
provide.
They
do
our
folks
do
a
great
job,
but
we're
talking
financial.
Now,
how
much
are
we
willing
to
absorb.
M
M
M
L
Q
L
L
If
we
keep
it
in-house
is
we
have
a
flexibility
of
service
that
going
out
will
disappear,
because
one
of
the
charms
of
this
community
is
is
that
we
got
this
kind
of
family
orientation,
reciprocity
between
staff
and
and
the
citizens
I
mean
there
just
seems
we
seem
to
all
get
along
and
I
don't
think
we
want
to
lose
that,
but
aren't
we
getting
ready
to
buy
some
new
trucks
anyway?
Yes,
so
the
new
trucks
wouldn't
be
retrofitted.
L
J
R
L
Q
L
A
O
You
know,
I
think
we
have
a
fiduciary
responsibility
to
the
residents
to
try
to
contain
costs,
and
I
I
understand
the
need
to
pay
people.
I
think
our
defined
contribution
plan
is
probably
much
more
robust
than
what
an
frs
pension
plan
would
be.
Obviously
you
know
phil
stated
that
pension
is
not
the
issue,
it's
more
money,
perhaps
the
pay,
but
I
also
feel
like
we
need
to
deliver
a
service
and
I
unders
I
I
get
the
nice
little
touch
of
somebody
can't
get
their
trash
out
or
whatever
it
is.
O
I
actually
think
we
need
to
examine
the
outsourcing.
I
think
we
owe
it
to
our
residents
to
at
least
examine
it
and
and
really
look
at
what
would
the
total
cost
be,
because,
right
now,
what
we're
doing
we
are
having
a
philosophical
discussion,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
have
that
complete
discussion
without
looking
at
the
numbers.
A
R
The
pay
would
for
sure
the
automation
I
would
say,
deferring
to
the
public
works
director.
I
I
would
say
it
would
have
to
be.
I
mean
I
I
looked
at
again.
I
purposely
stood
out
there
and
why
we
were
off
on
monday,
so
I
had
a
chance
to
watch
the
sanitation
crew
come
through
and
they
come
through
in
two
waves.
They
come
through
with
get
the
garbage
in
the
morning,
then
there's
a
recycling
crew
that
comes
in
the
afternoon.
R
They
both
had
two
two
guys
on
the
truck,
but
they,
the
only
role
of
the
person
on
the
back,
was
to
roll
the
thing
out
and
pick
it
up.
If
you
have
yard
waste
that
kind
of
thing
there
are
rules,
you
have
to
be
bagged,
it
has,
it
can
only
be
a
certain
length,
it
has
to
be
tied
together.
If
you
know
for
whatever,
if
it's
like
a
tree,
that's
been
cut
down,
it
has
to
be
sectioned
into
something
that
they
can
handle.
R
But
again
it's
not
it's
not
the
manual
piece
that
we
that
we
currently
have
on
all
of
our
trucks.
It
was
very,
I
said,
the
person
on
the
back.
Now
you
still
have
the
danger
of
somebody's.
You
know
I
I
I
it.
It
reminds
me
of
that
wacom
game
where
you're
at
the
at
the
you
know
in
the
arcade
and
the
head
pops
up
and
you
bop
them
down.
These
guys
are
hanging
off
the
back
of
a
truck
going
20
miles
an
hour.
R
I'm
sorry,
that's
and
but
there's
really
for
us
to
do
the
job
efficiently.
It's
almost
impossible
to
go
out
to
do
otherwise.
Now
when
they
go
off
and
they
take
off
out
of
the
subdivision,
they
get
up
in
the
cab
and
so
on.
But
these
guys
their
only
contact
with
the
bin
is
to
roll
it
into
position
so
that
the
mechanism
can
pick
it
up
and
dump
it
yeah.
That's
got
to
be
more
attractive
than
having
to,
but
you
mentioned
that
people
we
actually
send
the
person
up
into
the
garage
and
pick
up.
S
What
to
retrofit
our
trucks,
because
our
hopper
is
in
the
back.
It's
called
semi-automated,
so
the
driver
stays
in
the
driver's
seat.
And
then
you
have
a
person
on
the
back
and
it
has
like
a
little
tilt.
Cart
on
the
back
again.
You'd
have
to
go
to
carts
person's
on
the
back,
so
semi-automated
takes
at
least
two
people,
and
the
fully
automated
would
be
one
person
which
you
cannot
retrofit
our
trucks
to
do
that.
S
S
S
You
know,
because
we'd
have
to
keep
two
people
in
some
areas
and
the
fully
automated
but
we'd
be
going
to
the
carts
everybody'd
have
to
commit
to
the
carts.
So
I
think
that
is
something
that
could
be
phased
in
between
the
two,
the
semi-automated
and
the
fully
automated,
and
I
think
it
could
be
retrofitted
in.
I
would
have
to
see
how
other
communities
did
that
accomplish
that
to
you
know
to
come
back
and
tell
you
how
could
be
done.
M
Kim,
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
look
at
the
numbers.
What
the
cost
would
be,
whether
we
outsource
it
or
whether
we
keep
it
in
maybe
put
a
question
on
facebook
and
the
weekly
report
and
ask
the
citizens
just
clarifying
for
them
what
it
would
be
and
what
the
cost
increase
would
be.
If
we
keep
it
in-house
and
what
it
would
be
if
we
outsource
it
and
what
the
level
of
service
would
be
tom.
N
A
A
Mean
it
sounds
like
regardless
which
direction
we
go.
We
need
to
go
to
the
carts.
I
mean
unless
we
stay
old
school
which
we're
seeing
that
it's
it's
detrimental
to
the
workforce.
So
that's
not
a
good
situation,
so
I
mean
it
can't
be
that
hard
to
get
to
see
what
you
know
a
bid
could
be
because
we
can
look
at
these
that
have
been
outsourced.
So
we
pretty
much
know
what
what
they're
paying
and
we'd
have
to
break
out
the
recycling,
because
we've
already
done
that
yeah.
O
I
was
going
to
say
it's
almost
like
doing
a
a
request
for
proposal
and
we,
as
a
a
city
are
providing
our
own
bid
so
that
it's
it
would
be
a
competitive
situation
where
we
would
could
entertain
bids
from
companies.
So
we
would
get
a
true
cost
and
we
could
make
a
true
analysis
and
our
own
department
could
come
up
with
what
the
costs
would
be.
So
we
can
actually
see
and
demonstrate
to
the
residents
why
we
would
making
the
decision.
We
would
end
up
making
kim.