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From YouTube: City of Punta Gorda City Council 3-2-16 Part 3
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A
B
C
For
the
record,
terry
tubbs
zoning
official,
this
was
brought
up
originally,
and
the
council
wanted
the
city
attorney
to
do
additional
research
on
it,
which
he
has
done
and
it
is
included
in
the
packet.
We
basically
were
looking
to
for
council
to
direct
us
to
go
ahead
and
set
up
a
process
where
we
would
have
a
quasi-judicial
public
hearing
process
for
anyone
who
wanted
to
request
a
waiver
to
the
height
limitation.
D
And
the
intent
would
be
that
it
would
not
be
as
onerous
as
a
special
exception
requirement,
but
we
would
with
respect
to
the
ham,
radio.
We
would
track
the
the
language
of
the
fcc
and
indicate
and
imports
decisions
indicating
what
are
the
types
of
things
that
we
can
consider
and
we
and
we
would
have
the
right
to
deny
a
waiver
if
they.
If
the
applicant
was
unreasonable
and
there
was
an
alternative
that
was
more
reasonable
and
and
and
we
gave
them
the
opportunity
and
they
didn't
take
it.
D
So
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
to
avoid
challenges
as
a
result
of
what
might
be
argued
as
a
arbitrary
determination.
B
D
Well,
this
this
provision
actually
only
addresses
ham
rate
ham,
radio
operators,
if
I'm
not
mistaken.
Let
me
just
double
check
because
I
know
that's,
that's
not
what
time
has
come
up
with
respect
to
that
waiver.
Terry,
please
help
me.
C
Yeah,
it
talks
about
the
height
of
building
a
components
that
are
height
limitations.
These
limitations
do
not
apply
to
spires
belfries,
coppolas
antennas,
water
tanks,
fire
towers,
ventilators
chimneys
or
to
other
pertinent
appertances,
usually
located
above
the
roof
line
and
not
intended
for
human
occupancy,
provided
that
structures
do
not
exceed
the
height
limitation
by
20
percent.
D
Yeah,
I
think,
she's
I
think
you're
right.
It
does
not
just
specify
anything
specific
with
respect
to
ham,
radio
operators
and
and
so
yeah
I
mean
we
could.
We
could
separate
out
different
tests
for
different
types
of
use.
D
Obviously,
if
it's
going
to
be
a
commercial
antenna
that
will
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
its
commercial
antenna
wouldn't
be
within
a
residential
neighborhood.
But
that's
what
we're
asking
for
now
is
an
opportunity
to
address
this
situation.
That's
been
there
for
quite
some
time,
and
it's
only
come
up
to
us
in
the
form
of
the
ham,
radio
operators.
B
D
D
Button
that
up,
that's
why
I
think
the
suggestion
was
just
made
that
we
actually
have
different
criteria
for
the
different
uses
that
would
come
before
as
it
relates
to
antennas
you're,
suggesting
waivers
with
respect
to
the
spires
belt
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
D
If
you
know
it
hasn't
come
up,
I
don't
think
in
the
past.
D
C
Mr
ridley
was
correct
in
2005,
there
was
no
limitations.
All
of
these
items
were
excluded
from
height
limitations
period.
C
There
was
some
proposed
construction
that
the
structure
included
spiros
and
bill
freeze
that
went
up
to
like
87
feet
in
height
city
council
at
the
time
did
become
concerned,
and
so
they
put
a
cap
on
everything
that
was
in
that
paragraph,
at
20
of
the
permitted
height
in
that
zoning
district
with
the
ham
radio
antennas,
they
are
typically
in
a
residential
zoning
district.
Maximum
height
permitted
is
35
feet
that
20
percent
caps
it
at
a
total
of
42
feet
for
the
ham
radio
antennas.
C
If
they
are
able
to
have
a
tower
that
they
can
crack,
you
know,
extend
and
then
lower
when
it's
not
in
use,
that's
always
been
permitted.
It's
that's
because
it's
a
short-term
thing,
but
the
overall
height
would
be
the
20
cap.
At
this
point,.
D
But
I
would
not
suggest
that
they
would
be
necessary
for
spires,
belfries,
cupolas
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
can.
We
can
take
the
things
that
are
sort
of
architectural
and
put
them
in
one
category
and
with
the
limitation
being
20
of
the
of
the
height
and
the
others
that
sometimes
just
by
by
their
use,
require
a
much
higher
antenna.
E
F
E
B
G
F
B
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Next,
we
have
the
council
presentation
from
the
citizen
input
for
the
gilchrist
playground.
E
I
I
Excuse
me
the
basic
playground
concept
as
presented
to
city
council
last
time.
Various
play
zones
in
the
approximate
location
of
the
existing
playground
at
gilchrist
park,
probably
solid
play
surface
two
pavilions
and
a
nautical
theme,
and
that's
what
staff
had
had
discussed
at
the
last
meeting.
I
I
So
in
terms
of
our
public
meeting,
we
had
the
benefit
of
holding
it
on
a
day
when
sally
jones
and
east
elementary
were
out
of
session.
So
we
did
have
the
benefit
of
having
actual
children.
E
I
Input
regarding
the
playground,
so
the
the
actual
end
users
of
this-
not
just
our
adults-
had
input
on
this
so
real
quickly.
Over
some
of
the
results
from
the
survey
that
we
asked
and
visual
preference
survey
that
we
that
we
demonstrated,
we
had
a
lot
of
people
who
use
the
park
a
lot
so
more
than
once
or
twice
a
month
to
weekly
was
the
large
majority
of
the
users
and
then
even
people
who
use
it
infrequently
were
also
responded
to
the
survey.
I
We
asked
what
age
ranges
should
they
appeal
most
to
and
all
of
our
answers
came
in
at
children,
12
and
younger,
which
we
anticipated
for
playground
use
in
terms
of
themes.
We
asked
about
various
themes:
the
various
playground
equipment
manufacturers,
themed
their
playground
equipment
as
staff.
We
thought
that
a
nautical
theme
given
the
waterfront
location
would
be
appropriate.
I
There
was
a
significant
plurality
felt
felt
that
nautical
themes
were
appropriate.
There
were
also
significant
a
desire
for
whimsical
or
nature
themed
equipment
within
the
park,
and
given
the
various
play
activity
areas,
we
may
be
able
to
accommodate
one
or
several
different
types
of
themes
to
give
the
park
a
little
bit
more
visual
interest
and
variety.
I
In
that
regard,
we
asked
about
colors
everybody's
got
an
opinion
on
color,
but
again
following
the
the
desire
for
nautical
and
nature
themes:
blue
green
brown,
also
whimsical,
red
and
yellows
were
seen
as
appropriate
colors
on
any
individual
play
set
or
piece
of
equipment.
You
might
see
three
to
four
colors.
I
What
they
would
prefer
to
see
what's
out
there
now
is,
is
definitely
not
best
practice
in
terms
of
fall,
attenuation
or
ada
accessibility,
solid
surface
a
poured
rubber
product
is,
is
best
practice,
and
the
community
overwhelmingly
agreed
with
us
on
that.
Having
seen
it
in
other
places
in
including
some
of
our
own
facilities,
they
say
that's
the
way
to
go.
I
We
asked
about
what
other
types
of
furnishings
or
or
activities
would
be
appropriate
in
the
in
the
park
area
in
the
playground
area
specifically,
and
they
they
did.
There
was
a
strong
desire
for
picnic
tables,
benches
and
seating
pavilions
and
also
bicycle
parking.
I
They
also
had
a
strong
desire
to
for
the
area
to
be
as
shady
as
possible,
so
obviously
the
the
park
will
be.
The
playground
will
be
centered
around
the
existing
tree.
That's
in
a
significant
feature
of
the
current
playground
area
that
will
be
retained,
we're
looking
at
landscaping
around
the
playground
area
to
to
encourage
additional
shade
and
then
looking
at
at
potential
shade
options.
I
I
Climbing
components
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
desire
for
a
lot
of
different
types
of
activities,
strength,
building,
climbing.
I
Additional
suggestions
which
we
thought
was
interesting:
we
had
a
water
fill
station
for
like
refilling
water
bottles
or
a
baby
bottle
which
the
city
is
looking
at
doing
those
in
other
areas
in
other
park
areas
right
now,
while
we're
replacing
some
water
fountains.
So
that
will
definitely
be
a
part
of
this
project.
I
They
wanted
the
fenced
area
to
be
in
the
playground
area
to
be
enclosed
with
a
fence
and
for
there
to
only
be
one
access
point.
Unlike
the
current
playground
configuration
where
there
are
three
gates
that
may
or
may
not
be
locked
at
various
points
in
time
during
the
day,
they
did
strongly
agree
with
staff's
recommendation
for
a
separate
entrance
for
the
bathrooms
specifically
into
the
playground
area.
I
They
talked
about
the
potential
of
expanding
the
footprint
they
wanted
shade
and
the
biggest
idea
was
really
communication.
Community
participation
and
fundraising
to
you
know,
go
above
and
beyond
the
currently
budgeted
400
000
for
the
park
so
moving
into.
What's
next
for
the
restroom,
we
have
two
projects,
we
have
the
restroom
and
the
playground,
so
they'll
be
running
almost
simultaneously,
but
the
restroom.
We
think
we
can
kick
off
a
little
bit
sooner,
because
it's
not
really
a
design
build
project.
It's
a
project
that
we
already
have
a
design
for.
I
There
will
be
a
definitive
design
period
that
final
design
would
be
presented
to
city
council,
and
then
we
would
have
construction
to
follow
timeline
wise
beginning
now
in
march
we
would
look
towards
constructing
the
the
restroom
facility
and
hopefully
have
that
wrapped
up
by
july
august,
the
playground
itself
soliciting
the
design
and
doing
the
design
in
summer
and
then
constructing
it
in
september
and
hopefully
finished
before
december.
I
I
There
was
a
strong
desire
to
come
up
with
a
way
for
citizens
to
actively
engage
by
providing
monetary
contributions
to
this
park.
We've
had
an
initial
meeting
team,
puna,
gorda
and
and
the
citizens
there
were
sort
of
the
core
citizens
that
were
most
concerned
about
initiating
some
sort
of
fundraising.
I
We
talked
about
the
the
need
to
develop
a
sponsorship
level
and
recognition
system.
That
would
be,
as
least
obtrusive
to
the
playground.
You
don't
want
to
end
up
with.
You
know
an
advertisement,
for
you
know
50
different
people
in
the
middle
of
your
park,
so
we're
looking
at
you
know
a
tiered
system
of
sponsorships,
definitive
tiered
system
of
sponsorships
and
then
a
recognition
mural
to
be
placed
on
the
restroom
facility,
probably
facing
the
harbor
walk
side.
I
B
E
J
G
B
B
I
definitely
think
shade.
Structures
should
be
looked
at
because
I
know
charlotte
sports
park.
They
put
in
a
really
nice
pr
playground,
and
this
year
they
have
a
full
shade
structure
with
the
big
poles
and
everything
over
the
playground
at
the
charlotte
sports
park,
and
I
also
think
it
probably
helps
with
the
deterioration
effect
on
the
equipment
as
well.
So
I
think
shade
structures
should
be
really
looked
at
really
closely.
B
We
are
limiting
the
footprint
somewhat,
because
we
have
to
bring
the
fence
back
for
the
harbor
walk.
So
if
one
thing
had
to
go,
I
would
say
grassy
areas,
because
the
whole
point
of
the
rest
of
the
park,
except
for
where
the
activities
are,
are
open,
grassy
areas.
So
if
you
want
an
open,
grassy
area,
there
should
be
plenty
of
that
in
close
proximity
to
the
park,
so
I
think
that
we're
limiting
the
footprint
somewhat
that
we
should
be
utilizing
the
fenced
in
area
for
activities.
B
I
like
the
idea
of
one
entrance
because
that's
always
been
a
problem
there,
especially
with
little
little
kids.
You
know
that's
one
less
thing
parents
have
to
worry
about
when
they're
in
the
park
is.
If
the
gate
was
open,
you
know,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
who's
coming
in
going.
You
have
one
line
of
sight
to
see
who's
coming
and
going
into
the
park,
so
those
are
not
really
questions.
Those
are
more
suggestions
from
my
side
and
I
love
the
community
idea.
I
think
it's
great.
I
love
the
mural
idea.
B
I
think
that's
very
appropriate.
We
always
struggle.
You
know
when
we
have
the
paper
programs
and
things
like
that.
Now
everybody
wants
a
sign.
Now
they
want
a
sign
to
say
how
you
can
get
your
paper
now
they
want
this,
and
now
they
want
that
and
we've
we
struggle
with
that
in
our
open
spaces,
because
we
don't
want
it
to
look
like
advertisement
and
things
like
that,
but
we
do
want
to
get
the
information
out
there
and
we
do
have
a
mural
on
the
lashley
park
restroom
facility.
B
So
I
think
that
that's
really
appropriate
and
an
awesome
idea.
The
naming
I'm
not
so
hot.
On
I
mean
it
is
the
gill
crest
park
playground,
I'm
okay
with
that,
I
was
not
okay
with
kitty
land,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
die
and
go
away.
I
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
that
we
need
a
name.
B
K
I
K
K
B
I
Certainly,
given
the
configuration
of
of
the
the
playground
area
as
it
exists
today
with
the
tree
in
the
in
the
middle
and
with
that
concept
being
retained,
one
would
have
to
think
that
at
least
along
the
drip
line
of
that
tree,
that
will
be
a
natural
surface
area
and
that
the
the
play
areas
themselves
or
some
sort
of
path,
path
or
paths
connecting
those
critical
areas.
K
Ma'am
because
right
there-
and
I
know
we
talked
about
bringing
the
basketball
courts
into
it,
which
we're
not
really
addressing
here
but,
as
you
know,
there's
that
water
there's
that
retainage
all
around
that
which
abuts
the
playground
so
it
there.
All
I'm
saying
is
that
engineering
wise,
it
could
be
a
bigger
issue
than
we're
thinking.
It
might
be.
I
It
does
have
a
texture,
it
does
allow
some
drainage,
but
what's
below
it
is,
I
think,
in
the
case
of
cooper
street
wreck,
it's
actually
a
concrete
slab
and
then
the
the
fall
attenuation,
which
is
a
looser,
fill
material
and
then
the
solid
surface
which
goes
on
top
of
that.
So
water
does
percolate
through
that,
but
it's
going
to
hit
a
concrete
slab
and
then
it
drains
off
of
that.
So
it
drains.
G
Off
so
that
it's
engineered
so
that
there's
some
drainage
off
the
surface
itself.
The
next
question
I
have
is
really
kind
of
twofold:
is
the
maintenance
of
the
material
over
a
long
distance
of
time
we
have
a
lot
of
sun
here.
Obviously,
if
we
put
shade
structures
in
there
that
might
help
a
little
bit
but
colors
fade
here.
Rubber
does
deteriorate
over
time
due
to
uv
light,
et
cetera.
I
As
you
said,
every
everything
degrades
over
time
in
this
environment,
it
is
a
very
stable
material.
In
our
limited
experience,
cooper
street
rec
is
approaching
six
years
old.
I
believe
it's
at
least
five
yeah
so
and.
G
I
H
Just
that
I
would
agree
with
the
comments
that
you've
made,
and
I
was
thinking
of
mentioned,
multiple
themes
and
colors
made
me
think
of
pages
of
text
and
how
people
go
crazy
with
in
the
computers
and
put
in
multiple
fonts
on
one
page
and
colors,
and
it
starts
to
look
like
a
circus
and
so
keeping
it
simple
is
a
better
idea.
But
I'd
concur
with
what
you
said
so
is.
I
F
I
B
I
I
think
we'll
have
a
better
handle
on
it
when
we
get
to
the
stage
of
of
engaging
a
design
build
contractor,
because
they'll
have
a
good
idea
about
the
size
of
the
space,
how
much
equipment
we
can
get
in
there.
How
many
you
know
children
could
be
engaged
by
that
equipment
and
what
the
real
need
is
of
the
park
environment,
and
certainly
through
that
process,
there
will
be
budgetary
implications
if
we
expanded
the
area.
B
Well,
I'm
just
thinking
too,
that
we're
taking
additional
play
space
away
because
we
have
another
pavilion
going
in
there
as
well.
So
as
long
as
we're
just
cognizant
of
that
and
looking
at
it
when
we
get
our
design
together,
I
think
that
would
be
important.
We
don't
want
to
limit.
You
know
what
I'm
saying
if
there's
a
possibility
that
we
want
it
fabulous
mitchell,
it's
got
to
be
fabulous
well,.
G
I
I
think
that
part
of
this
is
going
to
also
be
dependent
on
how
much
others
in
the
community
and
funding
are
going
to
be,
because
we
went
into
this
into
these
initial
meetings,
thinking
that
we
as
a
city
were
going
to
be
the
funder,
and
there
were
in
the
meetings
that
I
attended.
There
was
a
lot
of
interest
in
other
people
saying
you
know
we
could
get
other
people
to
step
up
to
the
plate
to
make
this
more
fabulous.
G
B
And
I
know
that
if
we
bless
this
today,
they
have
a
meeting
tomorrow.
So
there
are
they're
well
organized
right.
F
A
B
Nice
job.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
You
want
to
go
now
too
sure.
Okay,
the
city
attorney,
needs
to
leave
at
a
set
time.
So
at
this
point,
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
pickleball
right
now,
we're
going
to
take
the
item
under
city
clerk
which
he's
directly
involved
in
and
we
need
his
guidance
under
the
charter
review
committee,
legal
counsel,
so
you're
on
karen
okay.
L
Well,
as
you're
all
aware,
one
of
the
members
of
the
charter
review
committee
has
expressed
concern
over
the
committee,
utilizing
the
city
attorney
as
their
counsel,
and
they
one
member
has
indicated
they
felt
they
were
as
an
independent
group.
They
should
have
independent
counsel.
L
At
this
point,
I
would
like
city
council
to
discuss
this
and
to
decide
do
we
want
to
continue
with
the
city
attorney?
Do
we
want
to
use
outside
counsel
and
if
we're
going
to
go
with
outside
counsel,
I'd
also
like
to
discuss?
How
will
we
go
about
selecting
that
attorney,
whether
or
not
we
have
to
go
through
the
procurement
process,
or
can
they
just
simply
select
whoever
they
want
to
use?
D
My
opinion
was
in
response
to
a
question
as
to
whether
or
not
the
city
attorney
would
be
prohibited
from
serving
as
the
as
the
advisor,
and
you
know
the
way
that
that
language
was
written,
and
maybe
that's
one
of
the
things
that
the
charter
review
board
will
have
to
address
it
was.
It
was
pretty
ambiguous
in
terms
of
that.
Clearly,
the
idea
of
a
charter
review
board
being
independent
means
that
they
can't
be
guided
or
directed
by
the
city
council.
D
That
makes
plenty
of
sense
the
fact
that
they
have
a
separate
budget
that
makes
sense
too.
Otherwise.
The
city
council
can
control
the
purse
strings
of
the
of
the
committee.
With
respect
to
the
legal
counsel,
you
know
it's
very
rare,
that
there
would
be
a
an
opportunity
for
conflict
of
interest
to
arise.
D
D
But
listening
to
what
the
vote
was,
I
can't
say
that
that's
not
inappropriate
for
me
to
serve
as
the
city
as
the
advisor
and
and
would
simply
say
that
if
a
situation
came
up
where
it
appeared
that
we
were
going
to
have
a
conflict
of
interest,
just
like
I
have
in
my
private
business,
I
you,
although
you
anticipate
the
possibility,
you
can't
anticipate
everything
at
that
point
in
time.
I
would
announce,
there's
a
conflict
and
at
that
point
in
time,
if
it
was
necessary,
they
would
then
have
to
retain
independent
counsel.
B
M
E
M
K
So
we're
kind
of
up
here
talking
about
it,
we're
already
kind
of
driving
it,
and
if
it
wasn't,
you
know
we
probably
should
have
had
it
in
the
budget.
If
we
know
it's
coming
every
six
years,
it
probably
should
have
been
a
budget
item,
and
I
guess
I'm
saying
you
know
we
can
all
sit
here
and
go
well.
We
we
trust
david.
We
know,
but
you
know
go
another
time,
another
place
where
maybe
there's
somebody
on
the
council
who's
going
to
influence
david
or
the
attorney.
That's
there
and
now
they're
there.
B
G
It
seems
to
me
the
committee
is
working
under
the
charter.
The
way
it
exists
now
and
they're
charged
to
reasonably
tweak
or
change
this
charter
and
it'll
come
up
to
vote
in
a
public
forum.
So
if
the
committee
as
such
now
prefers
to
use
david,
that
is
their
charter
at
this
point
in
time,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that,
with
david's
guidance,
that
they
won't
change
that
for
the
next
time
around
that's
what
their
responsibility
is.
Their
responsibility
is
not
to
change
it
before
they
bring
it
to
public
vote.
G
Their
responsibility
is
to
recommend
those
changes
for
public
vote
and
it
is
what
it
is
now
and
it
seems
to
me
that's
the
umbrella
that
they
need
to
operate
under
and
if
all,
but
one
of
them
are
saying
that
they
want
to
use
david,
and
I
think
that's
the
really
the
way
they
should
be
going.
H
Nancy,
I
would
agree
with
kim
about
the
intent
of
the
charter
review
committee
to
be
totally
independent
and
realize
what
the
county
really
does.
H
F
Tom,
I
think
that
we
need
to
support
the
majority
opinion
of
the
independent
charter
review
committee,
the
majority
opinion
of
the
committee,
but
were
open
opinion
six
to
one
to
use
david.
I
think
that's
how
it
should
remain,
as
as
gary
said,
if
they
want
to
change
it
for
next
time
around
next
review,
then
that's
fine.
H
D
D
Most
of
the
times
there
isn't
going
to
be
a
conflict,
but
I've
been
involved
in
situations
when
I
was
attorney
for
sarasota
county,
where
the
relationship
between
the
crow
review
board
and
the
county
commission
was
very
contentious.
I
mean
the
charter
review
board
actually
wanted
to
replace
the
county
commission
with
themselves,
and
so
that
was
not.
D
That
was
not
a
position
that
left
itself
to
a
good
working
situation
and
who
knows
what's
going
to
happen
with
this
committee,
but
when
it
gets
to
a
point
I
mean,
if,
if
I
guess
what
I'm
saying-
and
we
pretty
much
do
need
to
follow
what
they've
decided.
B
D
B
B
L
They
felt
that
that
that
I
served
as
a
resource,
and
they
didn't
have
a
problem
with
that
either.
But
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
that
was
also.
B
K
G
You
have
you
have
a
committee
that
was
is
properly
appointed.
You
have
one
individual
that
is
raising
some
very
pertinent
questions
for
that
committee
to
deal
with,
but
I'm
going
back
to
what
I
said.
They
still
are
working
under
this
present
charter
right
and
you
don't
want
the
committee
to
be
working
in
a
vacuum.
If
you
say
okay,
you
can't
be
there.
You
can't
be,
and
we're
just
going
to
do
this
all
by
ourselves
in
a
vacuum.
I
don't
think
they
would
come
to
a
good
conclusion.
G
B
And
the
issue
I
mean
we
have
to
play
howard
in
this
situation
when
we
do
talk
to
them,
because
we
cannot
say
oh
well,
I
talked
to
one
about
this
and
that
we
cannot
do
that.
So
we
have
to
be
very
careful
ourselves
and
our
conversations
with
them,
because
we
can
really
only
listen
until
we
get
up
here
and
possibly
address
an
issue
like
we
are
today,
because
I
mean
they're
under
the
sunshine
and-
and
we
just
have
to
be
really
really
careful
with
that.
Okay.
L
I
have
one
more
comment
and
then
I
I
need
a
clarification.
The
comment
is
that
I
believe
they
want
you
to
attend
their
meetings
because
they
felt
that
if,
if
the
attorney
was
there
that,
when
they
had
legal
questions,
statutory
questions
that
you
would
be
able
to
answer
those
questions,
obviously
I'm
not
going
to
do
that.
I
can't
give
them
legal
advice
or
you
know,
interpret
the
law
for
them.
L
That
has
to
be
an
attorney
and
they
felt
like
they
would
get
through
the
charter
much
more
quickly
if
you
could
attend-
and
we
had
this-
what
we
had
discussed
before
was
that
you
would
only
attend
when
they
had
a
question
and-
and
I
believe
their
feeling
is
that
they
would
like
you
to
attend
their
meetings.
Well,.
D
What
what
I
would
recommend
that
they
do
for
efficiency's
sake
is
that
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
for
the
city
for
the
attorney
to
attend
every
meeting.
But
if
a
question
comes
up,
I
would
think
that
if
they
could
then
submit
that
question
to
me
by
email
ahead
of
time
of
the
next
meeting,
that
would
give
me
an
opportunity
to
research
and
come
up
with
an
answer,
because,
although
many
things
I
do
know
from
the
top
my
head,
I
would
prefer
to
have
something
that
have
research
to
give
them
a
definitive
answer.
L
And
then
the
clarification
is
related
to
something
that
you
mentioned
in
your
email
to
the
city
manager,
and
that
is
when
the
charter
review
committee
makes
their
recommendations.
L
They
would
do
so
by
bringing
forth
an
ordinance
to
city
council
city
council.
If
I
understand
it
correctly,
does
not.
It
is
not
within
their
purview
to
change
that
ordinance,
but
merely
to
conduct
the
public
hearing.
So
there
was
a
concern
that
once
they
made
their
recommendations
that
either
I
or
that's
where
they
felt
the
conflict
with
me
came
in
either
I
or
the
city
attorney
or
city
council
would
be
able
to
somehow
modify
what
their
recommendations
were.
I
told
them
that
was
not
the
case
that
it
was
only.
L
D
And
that
is
correct,
and-
and
there
aren't
that
many
municipal
charter
review
boards
anymore,
but
and
so
there
isn't
a
standardized
way
of
doing
things,
but
one
of
the
things
that
that
is
required
is
that,
whatever
the
recommendations
are,
they
have
to
be
adopted
as
an
ordinance
just
to
create
the
referendum
and
then
be
voted
on
by
the
citizens.
D
Where
sarasota
county
got
in
trouble
a
number
of
years
ago
was
that
the
recommendations
came
not
in
an
ordinance
form
but
as
recommendations,
and
then
it
was
to
the
county's
legal
department's
job
to
actually
take
those
recommendations
and
draft
the
ordinance
to
call
for
the
referendum
they're,
the
I'm
getting
more
detailed.
I
think
I
need
to
be
about
explaining
where
the
problem
was
the
title
to
the
ordinance.
D
The
title
to
the
to
the
ordinance
that
goes
for
referendum
can
only
be,
I
think,
it's
75
words
and
when
you've
got
all
these
changes
that
can't
be
described
in
75
words,
it
was
decided
that
since
there's
another
requirement
that
the
title
has
to
accurately
tell
the
voters
what
they're
voting
on
and
so
in
order
to
do
that
city,
the
county
felt
that
the
title
needed
to
be
longer
than
75
words.
D
There
shouldn't
have
been
any
reason
why
it
had
to
be
limited
to
75
words,
as
long
as
it
was
still
understandable
to
the
voter
and
the
whole
intent
was
that
it'd
be
understandable.
A
voter,
the
code
enforcement,
the
charter
review
board,
challenged
the
that
ordinance
in
its
form
and
that
went
through
several
courts.
D
And
somehow
the
city
council
modified
some
of
the
language
or
even
by
modifying
the
title,
could
have
caused
a
problem
so
that
I
wanted
to
make
it
very
clear
that
the
only
role
that
the
city
council
has
in
this
process
is
to
adopt
the
ordinance
to
to
infl,
implement
the
recommendations
that
the
charter
review
board
has
come
up
with.
And
so
I
hope
that
clarified
your
concern.
Karen
absolutely.
B
D
You
know,
look
I'm
whether
I'm
representing
the
city,
council
or
representative
charter
review
board,
I'm
very
mindful
of
the
number
of
hours
that
are
paid
in
legal
services.
So,
as
I
said
at
the
I
I
don't
know
my
calendar
yet
but
sounds
like
the
march
8th
might
be
fine
at
that
meeting
I'll
we'll
get
that
worked
out.
Okay,.
M
M
We
threw
out
there
a
nine
to
nine
recommendation
and,
and
whatever
time
frame
we
do
come
up
with
the
light.
Timers
will
be
changed,
that's
something
we
can
do
so
we're.
M
M
We
talked
about
the
quieter
ball,
which
is
going
to
be
used
starting
at
least
april
2017,
because
that's
a
while
from
now-
and
we
looked
at
the
acoustic
fence
that
does
dramatically
cut
down
noise,
except
that
you're
going
to
have
an
acoustic
fence,
a
structure,
shade
structure
right
there
in
waterfront
park.
M
We
didn't
recommend
it.
It's
there
for
consideration.
I
think
that
as
a
as
a
city
as
a
staff
is
concerned,
while
we
could
do
nothing,
we're
not
recommending
that
we
we
we
need
to
do
something.
So
we
start
with
those
premises,
it's
an
active
park.
I
think
it's
great
that
it's
an
active
park.
People
are
enjoying
it
from
all
over
and
we
need
to
just
make
the
two
activity:
the
activity
more
comfortable
with
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood.
B
They're
not
attractive,
but
but
they
did.
I
did
talk
to
them
temporary
these.
This
is
not.
This
is
expensive.
I
mean
it
could
be
temporary.
We
could
put
it
up
and
take
it
back
down
it.
It
clips
on
to
the
rail
at
the
top
of
the
chain
link
fence,
so
I
did
talk
to
one
of
their
people,
the
the
jay
boland,
whoever
communicated
with
him.
They
had
handed
me
off
the
email,
so
I
made
contact
with
him
and
it
is
very
effective.
B
Our
fencing
on
the
on
the
ends
of
the
pickleball
court
are
10
feet.
He
recommended
going
the
whole
10
feet,
but
he
also
said
if,
if
we
didn't
want
to
go
to
the
full
10
feet,
eight
foot
would
also
be
effective,
just
not
as
effective
and
in
his
opinion
we
would
need
an
l
shape.
We
would
need
the
end
ten
foot
piece
and
then
we
would
need
another
fence
on
the
side.
B
M
D
It
was
that
talked
about
the
the
equipment,
the
quieter
balls
and
the
racket
and
the
2017
day.
Could
we
have.
E
D
Well,
the
question
the
question
I
have
is
is:
is
that
what
is
there
some
sort
of
organization
that
said
beginning
2017?
That
would
be
regulation
for
tournaments
and
things
like
that?
Or
is
that
equipment
already
available
and-
and
it
wouldn't
be
until
2017,
that
it
is
like
approved
equipment
for.
J
Tournaments,
I
was
the
one
that
brought
forth
the
research
of
other
communities
that
have
done
for
noise
attenuation.
That
all
is
my
understanding
is
all
of
that
equipment
is
now
available,
including
the
soft
balls,
but
that
the
softballs
especially
are
not
regulation.
B
Said
that
there
are
new
balls
coming
out,
but
at
this
point
they're
pretty
much
prototype
and
they're
not
accepted
by
the
groups,
but
he
did
say
beginning
2017
when
they
they're
made
out
of
a
different
material
so
until
they
turn
over
their
manufacturing
to
this
new
material.
The
old
ball
is
still
in
play
until
such
time.
There
are
no
more
old
balls
that
go
to
the
new
ball,
the
new
material
and
that's
not
until
april
2017..
D
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
know
that
for
sure,
because
I've
heard
we
in
the
public
test
testimony
today
and
the
last
time
I
think
we've
heard
conflicting
information,
because,
if
they're
available
now
and
and
we
adopted
an
ordinance
making
that
required
equipment,
the
only
thing
that
we
would
need
to
be
concerned
about
is
if
they
were
not
regulation
for
certain
sanctioned
tournaments.
I
remember
there
were
years
when
you
couldn't
play
tennis
with
the
oversight,
tennis
rackets,
because
they
weren't
acceptable
equipment,
but
they
were
available.
D
So
that's.
I
think
we
need
to
investigate.
D
G
G
I
did
take.
I
went
over
to
wrigley's
where
they
sell
this
equipment
and
in
the
paddles
there
is
a
perceptible
decibel
level
between,
for
example,
a
graphite,
paddle
and
a
polymer
panel.
So
the
graphite
paddle
being
much
much
louder,
also
the
more
expensive
one
so
and,
as
was
pointed
out
that
there
are
a
number
of
communities,
not
just
in
arizona
but
in
colorado
and
so
forth,
that
do
have
approved
equipment,
lists
that
include
paddles
and
balls,
etc,
and
maybe
I
think
that's
something
that
we
should
attend
to.
G
If
we
do
an
acoustic
fence,
it
is
one
not
aesthetically
good
pleasing
to
look
at
and
would
affect
views
in
a
very
negative
way,
but
also
we
live
in
a
high
wind
area
and
of
the
three
fences
we
saw.
Only
one
of
them
had
wind
permeable,
and
I
do
know
from
my
experience
at
tennis
courts
that
have
windbreak
fabrics
that
are
very
permeable.
The
clips
still
keep
breaking
off
all
the
time,
so
there's
going
to
be
a
maintenance
and
and
there's
that's
in
itself
is-
can
be
problematic.
G
F
I
I
hear
where
you're
going
with
regards
to
the
when
what
I've
spoke
with
the
same
manufacturer
of
acoustic
fence
and
what
they
do
is
they
create
two
layers
of
chain
link
and
they
put
the
acoustic
fence
between
the
layers
of
chain
link.
Okay,
and
that
is
what
keeps
it
in
place
in
high
wind
conditions,
and
I
just
believe
we
have
to
do
everything
we
can
possibly
do
to
mitigate
the
noise
and
because
defenses
as
part
of
that,
then
we
need
to
consider
that.
But
we
also
have
to
consider
where
the
cluster's
coming.
B
It
would
have
to
go
all
along
this
long
side
of
the
fence
about
to
eight
eight
feet
is
recommended,
and
if
you
go
back,
they
do
have
the
landscape
attachments
that
he'll
put
up
right
after
this
over
here
yeah,
which
are
printed-
and
you
know
they
even
told
me
to
the
point
where
you
could
get
somebody
to
take
a
high-definition
picture
of
the
park,
and
you
could
have
that
printed
on
the
back
of
it
and
have
that
hung
there.
B
So
it
actually
looks
like
the
park,
even
though
it's
a
photograph
of
the
park,
but
they
have
ivy,
they
have
all
kinds.
Do
you
have
the
other
s
sheet
page
two?
It
shows
all
the
different
yeah
they
have
so
far.
They
have
these
graphic.
These
are
their
stock
graphic
options.
So
you're
not
looking
at
a
complete
black
or
green
material.
You
can
have
it
somewhat
decorative.
You.
F
E
B
B
D
K
E
B
F
B
K
H
H
Balls
going
back
and
forth
now
I
think
that
we
need
to
I
if
it's
yeah,
limiting
it
it's
temp.
It
could
be
temporary,
because
if
we,
the
other
thing
is,
if
there
is
equipment,
that's
available,
it
might
not
be
sanctioned
equipment,
but
we
would
only
allow
sanctioned
equipment
if
there
was
a
tournament.
But
we
if
there
are
quiet,
balls
and
they're
available,
then
we
should
say
you.
You
must
right.
G
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
there
are
non-air
tennis
balls,
there
are
tennis
balls
that
are
practice
balls
that
have
action,
but
they're
not
acceptable
and
other
than
for
practice,
and
and
if
that
type
of
equipment
is
a
present
available,
such
as
the
balls
and
maybe
such
a
certain
paddles
and
the
sport
is
evolving
towards
more
of
that
equipment.
I
think
I
personally
think
that's
the
train.
We
should
start
chasing
because
of
the
aesthetics
we
don't
want.
G
This
is
a
great
solution
from
a
technical
standpoint.
I
absolutely
agree
with
you
tom.
You
know,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
we're
talking
about
putting
in
a
beautiful
playground,
we're
talking
about
putting
and
I'm
not
sure
aesthetically.
I
don't
know
this
might
not
look
as
ugly.