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From YouTube: City of Punta Gorda City Council 5-18-16 Part 3
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C
I
think
it's
going
to
have
unintended
consequences
of
forcing
traffic
off
onto
other
streets
I,
think
New.
Urbanism
is
going
away
from
one
way
streets
and
going
to
two-way
streets
and
using
other
traffic
calming
measures
to
create
a
better
urban
environment.
From
from
all
of
the
minimal
training,
I've
had
I,
just
think
that
it
would
it
would.
It
would
fit
our
the
character
of
our
community
better
and
so
I'd
rather
see
us
look
at
other
ways
to
to
slow
the
traffic
down
I.
Don't.
B
B
You
know
a
one
lane
one
way
and
using
the
other
one
for
running
and
biking
and
events
that
happened
there,
because
in
the
wintertime
it's
already
happening,
and
now
you
have
all
in
alden
matter
whether
we
have
official
parking
or
not
they're
all
parked
there
anyway,
so
they're
all
parked
up
and
down
the
street
and
the
bikers
are
on
the
road
and
they're
backing
in,
and
it's
really
and
it's
wonderful,
don't
get
me
wrong.
It's
a
wonderful
place
to
be
in
the
winter
time
in
the
season.
B
C
B
It's
going
to
make
a
big
difference,
but
it's
not
gonna.
You
still
have
the
cyclists
that
do
not
want
to
be
on
the
heart
and
not
all
of
them
are
the
go-fast
kind
of
guys.
It's
it's
the
it's.
The
people
riding
the
bikes.
It's
a
people
trying
to
get
away
from
the
harborwalk.
You
know
trying
to
get
away
from
that
traffic
because
it
will
be
I
mean
that's
all
I'm,
just
saying
it's
it's
more
of
a
when
I
look
at
it.
B
It's
more
of
that
place
that
you
go
to
visit
and
it's
that
Street
and
you're
going
to
have
a
waterfront
activity
there.
The
harborwalk
is
going
to
be
there.
It's
going
to
be
wider,
I'm,
going
to
see
people
out
there,
painting
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
going
on
even
more
activity
down
there,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
sprawled
out
and.
A
I
think
to
Kim's
point.
The
diagonal
parking
is
what
changes
it
from.
What
you're
talking
about
new
orbit
is
on
two-way
streets
traffic
calming
that's
all
fine
and
good
on
a
street
that
doesn't
have
the
diagonal
parking
conflicting
with
two
lanes
of
traffic,
which
I
think
is
probably
the
biggest
concern
which
you
know
closing
the
park
off
to
the
cars
I'm.
Okay
with
that,
but
we
do
have
to
accommodate
parking
and
that's
really
the
way
that
we've
come
up
with
it.
A
D
That
with
the
ambiance,
that's
good,
it's
developing
their
that's
already
there
and
ambiance
in
it,
and
he
this
is
a
good
point.
I
think
the
one
question
that
I
don't
hit,
that
I,
don't
understand
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
anybody
does
is:
how
does
it
affect
the
traffic
on
both
Mayor,
Marion
and
Olympia?
I?
Think
that
question
needs
to
be
ascertained
but
I
that
doesn't
mean
that
I
think
it
should
rule
that
out.
D
I
think
we
need
to
open
up
that
conversation
and
quantify
so
that
we
know
what
what
those
other
effects
are
and
assuming
if
they
are
totally
horrible
effects
that
are
on
it.
Then
it's
one
thing
and
if
they're,
not
if
they're,
just
minor
inconvenience
effects
it
may
be
still
worthwhile
or
the
appropriate
thing
to
do
is
to
the
visit
the
traffic
pattern
along
this
whole
beautiful
park
area,
because
it's
part
of
the
ambiance
and
you're
right,
it's
really
not
in
the
winter,
it's
not
a
street.
D
It's
a
I'm
all
hyped
Boulevard
/,
also
the
cars
go
down
the
middle
of
the
street
and
and
can
be
kind
of
interesting,
navigating
that
at
times
so
anyway,
I
think
that
that's
I
think
that
I
would
like
to
see
us
address
how
this
would
affect
both
marion
and
olympia
and
then
bring
the
conversation
back
in
earnest.
Then
how
do
we
do
it
and
how
do
we
do
it
well,
Tom.
A
E
Would
be
very
pleased
to
continue
to
conversation
along
Kim's
thoughts
of
traffic.
Coming
is
something
that
would
like
to
see
in
the
area
with
the
direction
that
the
diagonal
parking
is
right.
Now,
the
world
all
of
the
traffic
flow
would
have
to
be
going
from
south
to
north.
It
would
look
like,
and
so
it
needs
a
border
study
issue,
but
you're
bitching.
F
G
C
H
H
B
Yeah
I
would
assume
yeah
and
you
don't
have,
since
we
don't
want
to
close
and
put
a
bike
path
on
Marian
or
Olympia,
and
to
have
one
on
Greta
and
you're,
going
right
to
Fisherman's
Village
and
the
traffic
that
uses
it
now.
Yeah
there's
some
people
to
come
down
and
road
trying
to
race.
You
know
to
miss
not
have
to
go
to
that
light
at
Mary,
so
they
go
down
beretta
and
really
they
shouldn't
be
going
that
fast,
because
there's
too
much
stuff
going
on
there
anyway.
A
You
either
have
those
people
are
the
people
going
like
2.5
miles
an
hour?
Yes,
so
you
have
the
combination
of
those
two
people
so
I
try
to
avoid
it
as
much
sucking.
Well,
ok!
So,
let's
start
with
the
initial
look-see
by
staff
and
then
bring
it
back
and
then
we
can
explore
what
they
found
and
see
what
the
next
stage
would
be.
Well.
A
H
H
A
I
Record
Terry
2007
design:
this
is
something
staff
is
getting
more
and
more
questions
from
residents
who
want
to
keep
chickens
they
want
to
have
for
the
eggs
and
everything
more
and
more
gardening.
We
have
the
community
gardens
going
on.
Currently
the
land
development
regulations
really
don't
address
any
of
it
when
people
are
asking
if
they
can
keep
chickens.
I
The
the
current
land
development
regulations
say
the
there
is
nothing
that
would
prohibit
gardening
or
landscaping
in
a
yard.
So
but
the
climate
was
right,
people
could
plant
corn
in
their
front
yard,
so
we're
kind
of
looking
for
direction.
Is
this
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
get
address
because
I
mean
you've
got
composting?
You've
got
a
whole
litany
of
things,
with
just
the
direction
that
everybody
wants
to
go
more.
You
know
self-sufficient
the
organic
vegetables
growing
them
themselves,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
end
up
with
unintended
consequences.
I
A
The
community
gardens
were
really
for
that
purpose,
so
people
could
have
a
chance
to
go.
Do
their
gardening
I,
think
the
more
animals
I
mean
chickens,
attract
other
animals
as
prey,
because
my
friend
lives
out,
you
know
and
port
charlotte
area
has
land
and
he
couldn't
keep
the
chickens
because
they
pray
kept
coming
and
getting
them
and
as
far
as
the
gardening
same
thing
I
mean
the
more
even
the
fruit
trees.
We
see
it
all
the
time
they
attract
rats
and
rodents
and
all
kinds
of
other
things.
A
So
I
would,
I
would
think,
in
a
special
residential
overlay.
That's
why
we
have
community
gardens.
I
mean
if
you
have
a
little
herb
garden
or
something
that's
not
obtrusive
nope
is
somebody
really
gonna
complain
about
that,
but
actual
crops
I
don't
other
than
what's
normal.
You
know
tomato
yeah,
something
small
I
would
be
okay
with,
but
not
like
a
whole
plot
of
crops.
I
don't
think
I
could
tolerate
that.
A
A
G
D
That
a
couple
little
issues
that
deal
with
it
I
certainly
don't
want
to
see
my
neighbor
planting
a
row
crop
down
my
swale
and
then
I
have
to
ask
mark
on
how
to
how
to
patch
that
so
that
we
can
get
proper
green
I
mean
that's,
certainly
one
extreme,
but
I
think
you
also
have
to
be
careful.
How
do
you?
D
How
do
you
define
what
a
garden
is?
Okay,
are
we
talking
about
strictly
vegetable
garden,
or
we
talk
about
somebody?
It
has
there's
an
empty
lot
next
door,
they
buy
the
lot
and
they
want
to
put
an
English
garden
inn
or
they
want
to
put
an
English
garden
type
thing
instead
of
a
front
lawn.
These
are
beautiful
things
and
sometimes
they
can
be
incorporated
with
some
green
peppers
and
tomatoes
and
so
forth,
without
it
being
obnoxious
and
I.
D
Certainly
don't
think
we
would
want
to
not
encourage
a
beautification
of
that
sort
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
the
to
the
animals,
whether
it's
chickens
or
what
have
you
I
would
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
see.
Somebody
have
a
300-pound
sow
sitting
in
their
back
yeah,
okay,
but
if
they
have
a
little
Vietnamese
pot-bellied
pig
that
there
is
a
petrol
Ike,
a
dog
I
mean
you
can
the
neighbor
could
have
a
great
dane
and
they
can't
have
a
15-pound.
D
D
Had
a
dog
that
hutch
I
mean
you
know
young,
if
it's,
if
it's
in
their
house,
that's
their
problem.
Okay,
but
I
mean
you,
don't
want
I,
don't
think
you
want
it
I'm.
Just
saying
this.
If
somebody
wants
to
have
something's
a
little
different,
you
know
people
have
pythons,
they
have
turtles,
they
have
all
kinds
of
things
and
I'm.
Just
saying
is:
where
do
you
draw
that
line
I
just
think
it
can
be
murky,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
done.
Those.
D
C
You
know,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
a
little
bit
of
gardening.
I
would
I
would
not
want
to
see
us.
Do
everyone
talks
about
the
ambiance
of
our
community
I
know
in
the
historic
district.
There
are
lawns
that
aren't
lawns
really
there
and
I've
gone
to
cities
where
people
have
actually
turned
their
front
yards
into
garden,
vegetable
gardens
and
they
look
awful
and
I
know
one
of
the
goals
that
we
had
when
we
establish
the
the
community
garden
at
South.
C
A
B
E
E
B
I'm
agreeing
with
time
about
the
front
yard,
especially
downtown
I,
mean
and
I
think
burn.
Stir
metals
is
a
perfect
place.
They
have
bigger
yards
out
there.
If
you
want
to
have
a
little
garden
with
some
tomato
plants
and
green
beans
or
whatever
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
any
of
that
in
even
downtown.
We
don't
tend
to
get
in
each
other's
business.
Much
about
that
the
yards,
but
again
I
I
go
I'm.
B
B
B
J
C
A
A
J
F
D
Is
that
one
pretty
good
over
the
Kim
if
you've
been
watching
the
the
the
Sun
Ralphie,
the
pig
got
away
saturday
and
he
was
found,
but
he
did
think
himself
underneath
the
fence.
So
Kim
breaks
a
point:
how
do
you,
how
do
you,
how
do
you
control
them?
Yeah
and
the
dog-
can
do
that
stuff
that
stuff
too,
but
that
is
an
issue.
I
will
yes,.
J
B
A
Under
policy
and
legislation,
I
have
three
thing
for
things:
first,
we
were
approached
by
a
citizen
who
asked
us
to
become
a
part
of
gun
violence
awareness
day,
which
is
june
second,
and
basically
there's
a
website.
There's
an
organization
promoting
this
and
its
wear
orange
on
jun,
2nd
to
promote
gun,
violence,
awareness
and,
while
we're
all
for
gun,
violence
awareness.
A
The
website
was
a
little.
We
had
the
city
manager,
look
at
a
chief
of
police,
look
at
it.
It
was
a
little
controversial
and
so
what
the
suggestion
that
the
recommendation
that
Howard
and
I
came
up
with
is
that,
if
there's
consensus
here,
what
we
could
do
is
a
proclamation
at
the
June
first
meeting,
promoting
Gun,
Violence
Awareness,
but
stay
away
from
adjoining
ourselves
with
any
type
of
organization.
We
could
still
say:
June.
A
B
F
F
C
All
I
mean
I
would
tend
to
think
of
it
if
an
organization
appeared
to
have
some
kind
of
an
ulterior
motive.
That
was
more
of
a
political
agenda
that
we
should
probably
stay
away
from
it:
okay,
I
having
spent
two
years
on
the
care
board,
I'm,
very
much
sensitive
to
crime
and
and
what
the
impact
on
people
and
I
feel
for
people,
but
I
think
that
for
us
to
connect
ourselves
with
any
kind
of
a
political
agenda
when
we
are
in
a
political
organization
would
be
important
from.
E
A
A
So
we
thought
going
with
the
Saturday
before
we
could
actually
create
a
veteran's
week
celebration
and
so
will
be
working
toward
that
with
the
groups
and
the
main
committee
people
from
the
Vietnam
Wall
of
Southwest
Florida
bill
Aikens
in
general
car
and
get
the
museum
involved,
and
you
know,
come
together
with
the
groups
and
try
to
create
a
veteran's
week
with
a
lot
more
activities,
and
it
would
kick
off
probably
friday.
Something
might
happen
friday,
night
and
then
saturday
morning,
at
ten
a.m.
A
is
the
official
dedication
of
the
wall
and
the
wall
will
be
completed
before
that
time.
So
they
did
talk
about
and
tom.
Maybe
you
know
more
details
on
this.
That
they
would
have
like
a
soft
opening
or
a
soft
something
for
the
donors
before
this
official
dedication
with
a
big,
the
big
hoo-ha.
So
that's
what
they
were
talking
about
when
we
met
with
them
and
we
did
send
out
the
save
the
date,
so
the
bigger
people
can
get
it
on
their
calendars
and
hopefully
attend
on
November.
Fifth,
that's.
A
A
Any
other
thing
from
that
meeting
that
was
it
okay.
Last
night,
the
Nature
Conservancy
held
a
volunteer
appreciation
for
the
tribe,
you
harborwalk
oyster
reef
event.
They
had
the
volunteers
come
in
and
they
gave
a
six-month
monitoring
update
on
the
work
that's
been
done
and
what
they're
seeing
out
there
and
it's
been
there
very
encouraged
by
what
they've
been
seeing
out
there
and
Ernesto
who
was
there
at
the
ribbon-cutting?
He
made
this
really
fabulous
video.
A
The
video
is
beautiful
and
it's
a
highlights
punta
gorda
and
it's
it's
really
nice,
it's
a
little
long
at
17
minutes.
So
we
talked
to
him
about
maybe
convincing
a
3
4
minute
video
down
for
us
that
we
could
put
on
our
website
because
he
did
such
a
fabulous
job
with
that
and
he
he
he
did
all
this
volunteer
on
his
own
time.
So
we're
hoping
that
he
gives
us
a
little
commercial
type,
video
that
we
can
use,
but
he
will
I
think
he
will
share
the
link
it.
A
J
E
A
B
A
E
I
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
way
that
we
could
move
that
up
in
light
of
us
approaching
the
typical
summer
rains
and
facing
the
same
issues
with
water
remaining
in
the
swales.
If
there's
any
way
that
we
could
find
some
funding
if
it's
practical
and
if
it
makes
sense
to
do
it
sooner
rather
than
later,.
F
The
answer
is:
assuming
you
still
want
to
conclude
it
in
next
year's
budget.
What
we
would
do
is
I
mean
we
have
to
put
the
scope
of
work
together
bid
the
workout
prove
the
bids
get
the
contractor
started
so
frankly,
you're
really
not
going
to
I
know
how
this
works.
I
know
how
long
it
takes
us
through
our
processor.
We
probably
won't
have
a
contractor
ready
to
get
started.
E
F
C
D
We
do
have
had
35
officers
in
our
country
so
far
this
year
that
have
fallen
to
harvest
way.
It's
an
it's
a
continuing
process
and
I
reflected
that
most
of
these
individuals
are
people
that
have
already
put
themselves
harm's
way
in
our
in
our
services
prior
to
becoming
police
officers.
So
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
and
appreciate,
there's
and
then
also
I
attended
a
meeting
last
week
relative
to
the
health
of
charlotte
harbor
and
its
seagrasses.
D
A
great
presentation
was
given
the
aerial
mapping
has
been
done
and
we
have
had
a
continual
trend
in
last
year.
Last
two
years
has
been
a
very
good,
no
one
for
the
increasing
of
the
seagrasses
with
in
charlotte
harbor,
which
is
an
indication
of
the
health,
the
humpers
going
to
right
click
away
along
with
the
oysters.
Yes,
you
want
to
point
that
on.
I.
C
C
Actually
it's
not
the
waterfront.
Its
maritime
committee
presented
a
waterfront
master
plan
to
city
the
then
City
Council
in
it
they're.
The
one
of
the
members
was
Bill
print
pants
re,
who
designed
was
the
architect
on
the
Sun
left-center,
and
he
had
put
together
a
lot
of
thoughts
about
shade
structures
along
the
harbor
walk
and
that
the.
C
Idea
spawned
from
the
fact
that
years
ago,
back
in
the
early
part
of
it
in
the
1900s
there
were
summer
houses
along
the
harbor
walk.
What
was
then
out
the
Great
Lawn
of
the
share
of
the
hotel
punta
gorda,
and
they
had
a
couple
of
round
buildings
that
were
large,
that
you
could
sit
in
and
they
were
and
they
were
domed
and
so
taking
those
as
cues.
C
Maybe,
as
you
come
off
the
bridge
where
you
were
walking,
you
would
walk
under
it,
but
that
shade
structure
could
have
a
sign.
It
says,
welcome
to
punta
gorda
and
when
you
you
know
up
leaving
kind
of
order,
there
could
be
a
similar
kind
of
thing:
oh
you're
leaving
punta
gorda,
but
they
would
be
markers
to
know
where
you
are
on
the
harborwalk
and
and
draw
attention.
C
So
anyway,
it
was
one
of
the
things
that
howard
I
talked
about
was
socializing.
This
idea
of
something
was
with
council
to
say:
do
we
want
to
talk
about
this?
Any
is
their
interest
in
talking
about
something
that
be
it's
we're
not
talking
about
a
big
arch
over
the
street
kind
of
thing,
that's
much
more
grandiose
than
what
I
think
mr.
Cyril
had
in
mind
was.
C
F
C
C
A
C
B
C
J
A
G
G
Two
quick
comments
on
the
Vietnam,
Wall
and
I
think
it
was
60
minutes
till
I
saw
the
the
national
parks
pick
up
any
remembrances
that
are
left
at
the
wall
on
a
daily
basis
and
I
think
that
you'll
find
that
once
the
wall
is
established
here,
that
is
going
to
happen
and
we've
got.
We
really
ought
to
consider
what's
going
to
happen
to
those
goods
whether
they
are
preserved,
is
kind
of
a
memory
or
if
they're
trashed.
G
The
other
thing
that
like
to
comment
on
is
the
wall
is
there's
a
tribute
to
the
people
that
served
in
Vietnam
and
the
guys
that
died.
I
think
it's
totally
appropriate
that
we
invite
people
to
come
and
see
it.
I
do
not
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
commercialize
it,
and
that's
it
just
a
general
comment,
not
specific.
K
Jane
J
Buckley,
Adam,
pally,
gorda,
boaters
Alliance,
just
a
couple
quick
things:
we've
gotten
some
calls
or
some
emails
regarding
corresponds-
that's
gone
out
either
from
City
or
from
Realtors,
saying
that
the
cut
is
probably
going
to
be
estimated
three
to
four
years
and
so
I
called
Hans
Wilson,
and
he
reiterated
that
he
signed
a
contract
with
the
city
for
six
hundred
and
sixty
days
which
to
be
designed
and
permit
and
I
said
then
beyond
that
when
that
660
days
is
completed,
what
are
you
estimating
construction
time?
It's
only
a
300-foot
cut.
K
He
said
I
would
estimate
three
to
four
months,
so
I
think
we've
got
to
keep
our
we've
got
to
keep
our
correspondence
accurate
according
to
what
you've
already
saw
agreed
upon.
I
also
have
regarding
that
I've
had
some
inquiries
about
who's,
going
to
pay
for
it
and,
of
course,
I've
already
announced
that
the
city
has
contracted
with
a
firm
to
figure
out
assessment
and
so
forth.
They
said
well,
you
know
with
all
the
other
activity,
that's
going
on
in
this
city,
bike
paths,
walk,
harbour,
walks,
etc.
K
Why
and
taxpayers
are
paying
for
all
of
this?
Why
are
the
taxpayers
not
paying
for
the
cut
and
I
have
and
I
cleared
this
with
bills?
Hoping
he's
going
to
hang
around
here
a
minute,
but
this
goes
back
to
April
of
2015
and
I.
Think
at
the
this
was
minutes
of
the
boaters
Alliance,
and
it
was
that
so
the
council
meeting
prior
to
that,
though
Albers
said,
former
Mayor
Bill
abra
stated
that
historically
most
major
amenities
have
come
to
fruition
by
financial
windfalls.
K
J
K
Remembered
it
so
that
might
be
some
consideration.
I
know
the
assessment
portion
has
been
addressed
so
you'll
have
some
numbers
in
support
to
work
with.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
some
food
for
thought
and
what's
going
to
come
in
the
other
thing
I
just
quickly
want
to
mention
is,
and
all
the
planning
of
the
waterfront
that
waterfront
activity
center
is
not
going
to
be
small.
K
If
you
take
the
square
footage
of
the
bayfront,
if
square
footage
of
the
present
boat
club
add
them
together,
we
are
working
now,
there's
I've
been
in
contact
with
the
bow
club.
We
together
I
think
it's
about
12,500
square
feet,
not
that
we
need
a
building
that
size
but
I
caution.
You
know
with
the
flood
laws
that
new
building
is
going
to
be
raised,
there's
got
to
be
both
storage
under
it.